Too Scary; Didn't Watch - GOODNIGHT MOMMY

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

Boxcutters, superglue, and Madagascar hissing cockroaches - we're recapping Goodnight Mommy! The second listener chosen episode of our March Madness series! Join us to find out if this is actually a prequel to Men in Black.Goodnight Mommy is available to rent for $3.99.00:00 - Patron Shoutouts02:38 - Episode starts14:18 - Trivia19:32 - Recap starts Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And here it is starting right now. Starting it up. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy. And you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies.

And I love telling my friends about them. And I love telling our listeners about them. She's really good at it. Yeah, she loves it. What's up with us this week, guys? Are we doing more adjusted to our daylight savings? Yeah, I think I'm more adjusted to daylight savings. It was really just that one morning that was tough.

It was the morning, and that was a tough one. I like this later sunlight situation. Fan of that for sure. That's nice. But it's colder in the mornings is the thing I always forget about this time change. And it's harder to get out of bed because it's just colder and darker, you know? I have a heater. This has been a real life changer for me, guys.

I bought a radiator heater for my bedroom. And it has a remote control that I keep next to my bed. So I wake up in the morning and I don't get out of bed. I turn on my heater first and I wake up once I get out of bed. Once the room is warm, it's really amazing. Yeah, that's really good. That's the right way to do it. I am a huge supporter of space heaters. I love space heaters more than anything. I always have a space heater in my bathroom. That is key. I have one in there, too. I don't go into my bathroom without turning my space heater on. Truly. Except during the months of like June through August. Like otherwise, space heater is on in the bathroom always. August. Like otherwise, space heater is on in the bathroom always. And Sammy, I love the idea of having I'm currently in a space where that doesn't make any sense, but maybe in my next apartment,

I will have to take a cue from you and do the same thing because I love that idea. That's a great idea. I bet Tim would hate it because he sleeps hot. He gets very hot, but he's just going to have to deal with it because it's harder to be cold than it is to be hot. Agreed. Have you guys ever been in one of those bathrooms where the floor is heated? Ooh. Yes.

Yes. Oh my god. It's amazing. But I just don't know. I feel like that's never going to happen for me. That's a lot. Maybe I should be more optimistic sure put it out there yeah it's the secret that can be your secret is that you just want

i'll think about it every night before bed every morning when i wake up um i have bed every morning when I wake up. I have one thing to say that applies to all of us. Oh my god, say it. Tell us. Listeners, we got a freaking P.O. box. We did.

We needed to address this. Yes. That was a male pun. Nice, nice. Thank you. And I can't believe we haven't yet. Wow. We have a P. Nice. Nice. She killed it. Thank you. Thank you. And I can't believe we haven't yet. Wow.

We have a P.O. Box. It's very exciting. It's very exciting. So listeners, no more. We won't be accepting any more. Emails. DMs.

Any more emails. No, don't call in. Mail only. Snail mail. Snail mail. Snail mail, baby. Snail mail. Write us letters to our P.O. box. Let me give you the address.

Oh, my gosh. Listeners, get your pen and paper. Because once again, snail mail only. It is P.O. box 29562 Los Angeles, California 90029. Oh, my God. And I'm just very excited about it. I imagine the letters are going to pour in. I love mail.

I really do. Me too. I love it too. But don't, don't send us anything like creepy though. You guys like, no, no, like, no, like use your best judgment. No teeth and envelopes. No, like anthrax. No teeth. No like teeth and envelopes no like anthrax no teeth no anthrax please no anthrax i'm gonna go ahead and say no body parts in general i'm gonna

just extend that no voodoo dolls no like messages written with cutouts of magazines that's kind of fun i don't know if you put that one right I'm excited it's a spooky podcast you can send us something spooky spooky not creepy but nothing gross you know the difference spooky not creepy spooky not creepy not nasty spooky sexy cool

you know that's what we're looking for the famous TLC album yeah I like don't have anything to talk about this week I have like no news nothing interesting happened to me no news is good news Henley Sammy how right you are

I I don't have any news either but I'll talk about something I'm watching I don't have any news either. But I'll talk about something I'm watching. Do it. I'm way behind, but I finally got my screener. So I started watching Ted Lasso. Everybody's watched Ted Lasso. Everybody likes Ted Lasso.

And I'm just going to come on out and say, hey, me too. Oh, you're great. I like it. i really like it um it you know what it is you know what it is it's the paddington 2 of television don't yeah at me with this um because it's just like what if someone were just like so nice or good i don't even nice what if someone were just like so nice or good? I don't even nice. What if someone just were so good intentioned that it rubbed off on those around them? What if just being a kind person made things better? That's all. That's all we're doing.

That's also what Paddington does. Paddington Bear. And and it really is pleasant. And I just really enjoy it. And it's cute and accents. And and listeners may know. Have I ever talked about it? Maybe I haven't.

I love Harry Styles. I love Harry Styles. And I watching this, I'm like, oh, my God, I love Jason Sudeikis. What a cutie. I mean, I always knew he was a cutie, but like I'm like so charmed by him. Yeah. And I the other day thought, hmm, I can understand how one woman's type would be both Jason Sudeikis and Harry Styles. Because that's your type?

Because that woman is me. And it's also Olivia Wilde and I respect it. Yeah. For anyone who's missed it, Olivia Wilde, married to Jason Sudeikis, recently left him for Harry Styles. And I got to say that was like the biggest news of the year for me, for sure. For me personally, huge news. Huge news. Yeah, we wish him the best.

We wish him all the best. We really do wish them the best. I wish Jason Sudeikis the best. I wish them all the best. Yes, we do. And on that note, let's get into this week's movie. Let's get into this week's movie. we do. And on that note, let's get into this week's movie. Let's get into the movie. Another listener chosen episode in our infamous March Madness bracket series. They're talking about

it everywhere. I can't stop hearing about my own bracket. And I'm very happy with this week's choice. Listeners, you chose Goodnight Mommy. Came out in 2014. It is written and directed by Severin Fiala and Veronica Franz. Starring Lucas Schwartz, Elias Schwartz, and Suzanne Wurst. Available to rent for $3.99 on Amazon. And I love this movie very much. This was my second viewing of it.

And I think it's great. This is one I've heard about. I feel like one of our listeners talked about it. Betsy? I don't know. Yes, you know what? That's exactly right. Jess told us Jess told us about it. That Betsy walked out of this one in the movie theater

that's right why did she walk out do we remember because she was so upset and she was so upset oh she was scared and upset okay wow i don't love that uh nugget um that is intriguing for sure i there was a reason it was lodged in my brain is like i feel like this is like a thing this movie but that it's just that story so that's what i know about it and i don't think i want to know why but i will have to find out i think i've seen the trailer for this one um and i know that i'm definitely going to want to get plastic surgery afterwards. I think for sure. That's how I feel. I'd love to get plastic surgery.

Uh-huh. I would love to get plastic surgery. I'm going to go on a limb and say one day I will. I'm the secreting it. Put it out there. Warm bathroom floors and plastic surgery. Plastic surgery. Plastic surgery.astic surgery I did tell

I did tell Tim today I was like Before you know it like as soon As I can I'm getting my hair cut and Colored I'm getting my nails done I'm Buying an entire new wardrobe you're not even Going to recognize me I googled Like the best Spray tan places that's like where my

Where my head's at. I've never gotten one before in my life. And I'm like, well, I'm added to the fucking list. I'm going to get a fucking spray tan and just walk around like New York spray tanned out of my mind. That sounds fun. Oh, God, I'm going to are good. fun oh god i'm gonna do we are good i think that my brain is really a year of being indoors has been very good for all of our mental health i'm thriving the fact that i like exclaimed today that i was gonna get my hair cut to tim as if it was like a big thing that i'm just getting ready

someday i'm gonna cut my hair maybe even whiten my teeth i love to be at my absolute best i'm gonna get some crest white strips y'all get fucking ready get ready holy shit god get ready for us world um so i imagine yeah this film has something to do with transformations um yes i'd say so i'm not gonna

say too much about it and i think the less we the less we know the better oh my okay ooh baby baby it is cocktail hour and this week we're going to need it. So we are drinking a and to all a good night. To make a and to all a good night, you'll need one and a half ounces of bourbon, three quarters, an ounce of reposado tequila, three quarters, an ounce of cherry hearing, two dashes of orange bitters, and one dash of Angostura bitters.

You will stir all ingredients with ice and strain into a chilled Nick and Nora glass and garnish with an orange peel twist. Cheers. I've got some trivia for us. Okay, we like to know that. Let's hear it. So the actors were not given the script. Interesting choice.

And the movie was filmed chronologically. I always find it interesting when they do that. That's cool. Were they like given what they were going to do that day, like each day? I think so, yeah. That's cool. And it's a mother and two sons and their twins and 240 twins auditioned for this holy shit that's a lot of twins i wonder if that means 480 total or 120 i was i was trying to do that quick math

in my head fast math gotta be 120 sets of? Yeah, it seems like crazy to do 240 sets. I don't know. I don't think it's that crazy. I don't work in casting, so I'm not sure. How many twins are there in the world? There are probably only 240 sets of twins in the whole world. That's a good point. They did half of all the ones in the world.

Twins. That's a great point. They did half of all the ones in the world. All the world's twins. That's a great point. This film was selected as the Austrian entry for the best foreign language film at the Academy Awards, but it did not receive a nomination, which, if you can believe, I'm mad about. I can't believe it. Who could guess that the Oscars would do something wrong?

Not me. I have full trust in the Oscars would do something wrong. Not me. I have full trust in the Oscars. Usually I do too. They've never missed a beat. Green Book best picture of that year? Absolutely correct. Absolutely. Yeah. Talk about hitting it out of the park. That was a great decision on that part. That was so good.

Everyone was happy that year. That year everyone was happy as is everyone every year that's exactly right that's exactly right uh suzanne wust lived alone for three months to prepare for the role often completely swaddling herself in bandages she also kept two pet cockroaches, which is not just for fun. It's part of the movie. So get ready for some cockroach things. Really cool.

She said something I think we can all relate to now. I had no one to talk about this whole thing with. I think after three weeks, I thought I'm going insane. Oh, Suzanne. We feel you. Give it a year you're gonna want to spray tan and that's all I got really odd I'll sprinkle in a few more little pieces of trivia as we go oh I like this but for now I think we should watch the trailer

mama? Mama? Gute Nacht, mit großem Gelb, mit Knöchlein bestellt, schlug unter die Nacht. no oh wow oh wow what what there's something about it taking place during summer, too, where it's like hot. And it feels like intensely summer feeling. That kind of makes it worse. Oh, I'm very excited. I really want to know what the deal is. But I would never. I couldn't even, like. Should we make some

guesses i guess she was uh placed in the hospital with an alien that likes to eat cockroaches like like uh the men in black cockroach guy exactly a good guess yeah i think this is a prequel to men in black i think it's a prequel to Men in Black. I think it's a prequel to Men in Black. My lips are sealed. We'll find out. We'll find out. Oh, I could see leaving this movie in the middle. Like Betsy.

We'll have to ask Betsy about it later. And if she ever saw the rest of it. I'm sure she has. She's a pro. She's a pro. You know who else is a pro? Sammy Smart. Samantha Smart. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready she has. She's a pro. She's a pro. You know who else is a pro? Sammy Smart. Samantha Smart.

I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready to hear this. I'm ready to tell you. It's going to be good. It's going to be fun. We're going to have a good time. I'm dialed in.

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seemingly in the middle of nowhere like it's the only house around for miles. It's beautiful. Honestly, that house was really cool. I want to live there. I want to live there for sure. For sure. But we open on a like a video of a lullaby, a German lullaby called Guten Abend, Gute Nacht. And it's a woman singing to a bunch of children and it just kind of plays out this little lullaby and then we cut to two boys running through a

cornfield, the creepiest crop very creepy crop and they're running kind of playing hide and seek their names are Elias and Lucas and then we see them kind of playing hide and seek. Their names are Elias and Lucas. And then we see them kind of running through the woods. How old are these boys?

Oh, God. I think they looked like they were like 10. Yeah. I was going to guess 10. I would say they're not eight for once. For once. They're a little older. They're small, but older.

Yeah. They could be like 11. 10 or 11. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds right like 11. 10 or 11. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds right. And boys are also especially small. Like those boys could be like 14. I don't think they're 14.

No, no. But yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Sometimes it's surprising. Sometimes boys are small. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, they look around 10 or 11.

Let's say around 10 or 11. yeah yeah anyway they look around 10 or 11 let's say around 10 or 11 and so they're running through this kind of marsh that uh has this very interesting soil that kind of bounces around i don't need to get into these details too much but one thing i just wanted to say is that they're both wearing matching crocs and i really love that about them wow they beat the croc craze it feels like they wear kind of matching outfits throughout yeah they're very cute they're twins and they're into the matching thing for sure they are exploring and they look into this kind of dark sewer tunnel thing kind of reminded me of the tunnel and it it doesn't look good it's scary lucas goes in

first elias is calling after him lucas lucas and then it cuts to lucas on a little floaty thing on the lake out front of the house and again kind of calling for lucas and it's just these kind of little almost poetic little moments of them just kind of playing around the property and then we get our title goodnight mommy and come back up on their beautiful house Elias and Lucas run in they They kind of do everything in sync. Like they just like they kind of remind me of the in Annihilation when the little deer run in sync with each other. So they run in together and they are looking for their mom and they hear her upstairs and it's kind of a creepy vibe right away. And they walk upstairs and they're kind of tiptoeing hear her upstairs and it's kind of a creepy vibe right away and they walk upstairs and they're kind of tiptoeing into her room and you hear this noise and they say like mama

and we cut to see her and she's opening and closing the blinds like over and over that's the noise that was happening and she turns and looks at them and her face is all bandaged up. She has just had some sort of plastic surgery. It looks like extensive plastic surgery. Her entire face is bandaged. And when we get a closer look, we see her eyes are kind of like swollen and purple.

And they are scared of her and run out of the room and run downstairs she eventually comes downstairs and brings elias a glass of juice and lucas like turns to him and whispers something and he says to his mom, Lucas wants a glass too. And she says, well, he can ask me himself. And Elias says, you only made supper for me. And she says, you know why. And kind of walks out of the room. And Elias says to Lucas lucas like you should apologize and they kind of have a little moment and then that evening they're playing

like um uh what is it 20 questions they're playing with their mom where you put like a note on your head and you have to guess what it says. And so they put one on her head that says mama and she's guessing like, is it a person? And they say, yes. Is it a woman? Yes. Yes. Is it a woman? Yes. So this is where we're finding out more information about her. And she figures out that it is a news reporter. And they say, yes, news reporter. She said on German news, yes. Is this person famous?

Yeah, somewhat. And she's not guessing. And she's getting frustrated. She's like, give me a hint. And they say, you like animals. And she says, give me another hint. And they say, you have two kids. And she's like, how am I supposed to know who has kids? Do I know this person personally? And they like nod and she like gets frustrated and I think leaves the game. So they're like suspicious. Like, why doesn't she know who she is?

Then they're getting ready for bed that night, brushing their teeth, and we see a cockroach on the roof or on the ceiling of the bathroom. It falls down. They go and scoop it up, take it to their bedroom and drop it into their aquarium filled with cockroaches. So many. These are Madagascar hissing cockroaches. So they make nasty noises.

Ew. So they just have them as pets? Yeah. They have a little aquarium filled with probably 30 or 40 of them. Oh, that's not okay. I'm hard pass on that. Yeah. It's very gross. Yeah yeah i don't love that

they're getting into bed and their mom comes in and very sternly is telling them like there's going to be some new rules around here the doctor says that i need to rest so there needs to be like quiet around here you boys need to be quiet i'm going to be sleeping a lot more than usual if you need something knock on my door don't just come in and oh and she says like if anyone comes to the door tell them i'm sick like i don't want to see anybody she goes to bed and they kind of whispering with each other, saying she's so different, saying, you know, well, she wouldn't you be after that operation? And they're like, no, like something's really different. Like, this isn't this isn't her. This isn't like her. and then they, to comfort themselves, play a recording that she had sent them, I guess, from a while ago. They play it and it's her saying like, I miss you so much. I'm coming home in a few days. I can't wait to kiss you both. And we hear that her tone of voice is

much friendlier and sweeter and not like the woman that we've seen and in the recording she sings them the lullaby that we heard in the beginning of the movie um then they go to bed lucas wakes up in the middle of the night climbs out of bed well not in the middle of night but just like a hour later and kind of tiptoes out of bed and sneaks to his mom's room and kind of opens the door a tiny bit is looking at her and she has her bandages off of her face and she's kind of rubbing cream onto it you see it's again very kind of bruised purple and um the door creaks and she turns and has that one of those like close-up mirror the like extra magnification mirrors and it her eye looks in that and he can see it and sees that her eye has it's like bleeding in her eye her eyes red and it's just a

scary little moment and it scares him and he runs back to bed and she follows into the room like angry and opens the door and looks in and we see that he's like kind of hiding pressed against the wall and she can't see him but she just kind of like looks in the room to make sure everything's fine or whatever and goes back to bed. But we don't see her face during all this, right? Like not her full face? Not her full face. She still has kind of a thing covering her nose, like a brace, I guess, or whatever they put on you after you have plastic surgery or what you would have if you have a broken nose i guess that kind of covers not her entire face but just

her her nose and forehead and then whenever she's around the house she has full bandages on so at this point we're seeing a little bit more of her face but yeah, still not her whole face. Okay. So then we just see some time passing. There's a rainy day. The boys run outside, jump on a little trampoline. They do everything together. It's

clear that they're just best friends. They like sit in their little chairs and burp together. They have a very long burping contest. The movie overall, there's like not a ton of dialogue and there's almost no music in it. And so it just has these like kind of long scenes of them just burping at each other. I really like it.

And as they're burping at each other, someone knocks on the door and they don't know what to do. And Lucas says to Elias, go get mom. Elias goes upstairs, knocks on the door and she doesn't answer. And he opens the door. All the blinds are closed.

So even though it's in the middle of the day, the room is dark and he kind of tiptoes in and pushes, like pokes her a little bit. And it's like, mom, mom, like someone's here and she's not waking up. And so he leaves, he closes the door and he goes back out and as the door closes her eyes open and she starts crunching something in her mouth that was already in there and then she pulls out from under the covers like a piece of like a crack a cracker so she was literally like pretended to be asleep so that she didn't have to talk to her son. Elias goes downstairs and the person at the door was a food delivery man. He goes down into the basement and starts unloading the food that he's brought.

It's all frozen food and they're putting it into a freezer. He's basically like, wow, you've bought so much food. This is enough to feed a family for months. So we get the idea that she's, you know, not planning on leaving the house and they're going to be there for a while. Not going to be going out into the world. Next day, a couple days later, they're jumping on the trampoline again and we see the mom just watching them through the blinds, like pulling down the blinds to like look at them.

And she just stares at them for a while. a mirror and takes off her top and starts like touching her breasts like evaluating her breasts like she maybe wants to get a boob job too she's like just looking at her body we see the boys running around further away from the house there's like a cemetery and they go into this little cave that has like human skeletons in it which i mean i guess it's by a cemetery but i don't know what this little thing is a crematorium or something but i don't know but it's a creepy room full of skeletons are the skeletons just out? Like out and about? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. And a lot of them. Like on the ground? Yeah. It's like it's a cave basically like filled with skeletons. It's very strange. Okay. But they're in there exploring and they find a cat.

Oh, one of the things that the mom said when she was setting her new ground rules was don't bring anything inside. No animals, no branches, nothing. So we get the idea that they do these kind of, I mean, they love their cockroaches and shit. So I bet these little boys just bring a lot of weird shit in the house a lot. And she's like, none of that. So they're like,

they find this cat and they're like, well, we got to sneak it in so they like quietly no bring in the cat and go into their room and find a little shoe box and like put the cat in a shoe box and like put it under their bed it's oh it's open it's not like closed in there but but it's not gonna stay there that's what i always said i was like have to this is unlike any cat that i've ever seen but maybe it might be it might be injured or something it's not looking like the healthiest most sprightly cat in the world um maybe it's old and so they put it in this box and kind of slide it under the bed and they have locked the door behind them. And their mom hears them doing something.

And so kind of storms up to the room and like jiggles the door handle and like open this door right now. They jump up and open it. And she starts kind of ransacking the room, like looking in drawers under. That's not very restful. No, no. She is worked up looking under blankets and she finds a lighter and kind of waves it in his face. And it's like, what's this? Like, what are you thinking?

This is you can't have this takes that. Is this always directed at Lucas? Does that matter? Elias Lucas. takes that is this always directed at lucas does that matter elias lucas it's like there's like a scene where she's like ignoring elias in the big or ignoring lucas in the beginning so she this is elias that she's mostly yelling at yeah oh okay okay but it seems like maybe she's more mad at lucas but so this is to elias right now and she's she's like waving the lighter in his face because she didn't make she didn't make the meal for lucas correct yeah right okay so she's like kneeling down to him they have bunk beds um uh lucas is on the top bed elias is on the bottom

bed so he's she's kneeling by elias yelling him, and he claps his hands together right next to her ear just to like be a brat. And it pisses her off so much that she like jumps on top of him and like uses her elbow to shove his face into the bed. Lucas is screaming like, Mom, stop, stop, stop, stop. And eventually she does and she jumps up and then walks out of the room. Yikes. But before she leaves, she takes it's one of those doors that has a keyhole like we were talking about in Misery. And she takes the key away so that they can't lock it. But she never saw the cat.

No, which I mean, it really did. Really, really chill little cat. I stayed quiet. OK, she didn't look under the bed. Seems like the number one place to look. Yeah. All right. Sure. As she storms out, they kind of follow her and she storms outside completely. And it's kind of dusk and they're watching her stomp off into the woods and again they kind of turn to each other and

they're like she's so different like this is not like her something's really weird and we see her going into the deeper into the woods i feel like she's barefoot and just kind of walking into the woods. And as she is basically like with each step, she's like taking off an article of clothing. She starts, she gets completely naked and then is like unwra breathes in and then starts shaking her head in this way like it's going very fast like supernatural-y like i don't know what's happening it's scary it looks like she's got like a big blurry face all of a sudden it's like and then uh elias and lucas wake up um and so i we presume it was a dream or a nightmare okay and uh now it's in the middle of the night and they grab a cockroach from the from the cockroach aquarium and sneak into her room. She is asleep.

And they put the cockroach on her chest and it crawls onto her face and into her open mouth. And this cockroach is big. It's like, it's huge. It's so big. And okay, this is the trivia that I wanted to get into now. Because I had to find out if this part was real. If she had a cockroach in her mouth. And it's literally oh god worst case

scenario so no no no no no so first of all they had a cockroach trainer on set which is so funny who is his incongruences are really smart right i don't know it's like why people have them as pets or they're like trainable i think they are somewhat trainable i don't know that like they're really smart they're so smart doesn't eloise have a cockroach is that one of her pets is a pet cockroach eloise eloise the girl who lives in the plaza she has a cockroach on a leash am i making that up i don't know who you're talking about eloise the girl who lives in the hotel yeah the one who lives in the plaza you guys literally don't know what you're talking

about i feel like emily does it's a picture book i know what you're talking about i haven't read it so i don't know if she has a cockroach but all right well i haven't i've never even heard of it but i believe you really eloise what a staple okay anyway go on okay so there's a cockroach trainer on set they had 3 000 cockroaches on set oh why what i don't know backups i don't know back up i don't know i mean this aquarium is like filled with cockroaches it really has a lot and but it's i mean certainly nowhere near 3 000 it does seem excessive you're right you're right it's a lot 3 000 is so many it's a lot um and yeah that trivia reminded me of the craft of just yes yes yeah well like 20 000 snakes incredible amount yeah just most ridiculous amount of but i mean at least in that there are

like tons of them everywhere in the craft it's like there's tons of snakes all over the place this is i mean there's just one little contained aquarium of cockroaches seems like 3 000 is is too many too many um but so uh suzanne vorst was like not scared she'd like had no problem with the cockroaches at all so she's like yeah i'll take i'll i'll i'll put it in my mouth what even if you're not scared of them you don't want to put one in your mouth and so she was like she had them with her and would like they were like training them to to go into her mouth she was just nervous that she was gonna like hurt them like bite them i guess um but she like figured out how to do it so i imagine that they had to go they went in her mouth a lot she was like to out how to do it so I imagine that they had to go

they went in her mouth a lot to be able to like train them to do that means you have to do it multiple times wouldn't you like be more worried they're gonna like choke on a cockroach how would it not like stop crawling

how does the training process work wouldn't you be scared that it's just gonna crawl all the way down your fucking throat anyways so this is like so gross and then on the day of shooting it wouldn't do it and so they did it cgi so it's all for nothing oh my god oh my god i mean there's definitely cockroaches like on her, but not in her mouth. And she didn't have to do that. Yeah. This is a this is a moment where sometimes having practical things is so much better. And I think we miss out on a lot of movies now because there's too much CGI. But I feel like in this moment, you can just CGI going in her mouth.

That's fine. Yeah, that's fine with me. Yeah. Yeah. Like if that is possible, then that is the option that i would like to have done yeah i agree i appreciate practical effects and i appreciate no cockroaches and mouths too so the next day the mom is a little bit more. She's she's outside now. She's doing some cleaning.

She's in like sweatpants and high heels. Her outfit is very funny. And she's outside cleaning. We see that Lucas is outside using a magnifying glass to burn cockroaches. And. Elias is inside playing piano and then Elias like calls Lucas in and is like look at this and they see that she has taken a bunch of pictures off the walls of seemingly their dad and they open a photo album and all the basically all the photos are gone. They find one photo in there of their mom with a woman who looks a lot like her,

and they're wearing a matching outfit, and they kind of think, okay, this might be the woman that got surgery to look like our mom and they so they're they're in like detective mode they they put a little walkie-talkie under their mom's bed so that they can eavesdrop on her and they're they oh and then they realize that they can't find the cat they start looking around for the cat you're telling me it left the shoebox

it was supposed to stay in the shoebox unbelievable I know it's wild and they're looking all around the house and they find the cat in the basement and it is dead under a shelf. They pull it out and it's like shoved under a shelf in the basement. And they're like, she did this.

Like, I know. I know mom did this. Can you tell? It's just dead. You can't tell. Yeah. No, you can't tell. OK. OK. this can you tell is it's just dead you can't tell like yeah no you can't tell okay okay so they

they go upstairs and they start putting taking all of their cockroaches out of the aquarium and putting them into like mason jars basically and we see them go take the aquarium uh downstairs and set it on the living room table and they're filling it with alcohol and they put the dead cat in it whoa i guess they're trying to basically be like we know you did this they hide behind a curtain so that they can see how she reacts when she comes in and sees this and so we see her come in and she looks shocked but kind of just walks up to it and you see her kind of look in their direction they're behind the curtains but you can tell that they're there. And she storms upstairs and finds their jar of cockroaches, comes downstairs and starts just like pours a few cockroaches into the to the alcohol aquarium with the cat and kind of looks at them like testing them. She knows they love the cockroaches and then pours some more in and then says like, fine, and starts pouring the whole thing in. Elias runs out is like, no, stop it and pushes her back.

And she says like, what the hell is this? What's going on? And he says, tell us where our mom is. And she says, are you insane? Are you going crazy? And he says, you're not our mom is and she says are you insane are you going crazy and he says you're not our mom and she slaps him across the face and he says like tell us what you did with our mom we know you're not her and she grabs him by the back of his neck and drags him up to his bedroom and he's like screaming and crying and Lucas is like following them also crying and she gets to the room and and closes it before Lucas gets in so Lucas is like outside banging on the door and we just hear her yelling at Elias saying say to me 10 times that I'm your mother and we we hear him kind of crying, being like, you're my mother.

You are my mother. And she's like, louder. Say it louder. I'm your mother. And he does. And he says it 10 times. And then she says, and stop talking to your brother. And then she storms out.

Lucas comes in and starts comforting Elias. I guess I'm not that smart. I was just about to be like, I feel like Lucas isn't alive. Real? Yeah. And it turns out that's pretty clear. From the second that Sammy

in the beginning was like, she didn't make anything for Lucas, then she's like, you know why. It's probably not real. Pretty crazy for a mom to make dinner for just one of her sons she's not giving anything away folks i don't know we'll see we're not there yet we're not there yet yeah elias is crying lucas is comforting him elias says she wants to tear us apart so they start uh sharpening some little wooden sticks they have like a toy crossbow they're like

preparing to like fight this imposter look i don't think i'm having kids but if i do i'm not giving them pet cockroaches not giving them a toy crossbow no just gonna put that out there those are not things that a child of mine will ever have no no no. Not allowed. Oh, she like locks that locks them in their room. She's got the key on the outside. The thing that we decided last week was very dangerous and not OK. But she does it. She locks them in there. They light little candles. They have a photo of all three of them together in a little frame and they light some candles around this photo in the frame and are like please mom like come back to us like i'll do anything for you to to be yourself to come back to us please come back we see that they're locked in the room for a while they like elias p's in the corner and in like a bottle and they're scared of her and they're taking turns kind of keeping watch of the door. So they're each like sitting, aiming the little crossbow at the door and they've got a timer set so that they switch places and each sleep for like a few hours. like a few hours and while Elias is keeping watch um he nods off and falls asleep and when he wakes back up the door is wide open and Lucas is gone and he he stands up and walks out and walks towards their mom's room and sees Lucas standing facing their mom's bed, holding a box cutter and walks in. And Lucas walks to their mom and cuts open her stomach.

And a bunch of cockroaches came out come out and then we see uh elliot wake up again where he was keeping guard of the door so that was a dream as well thank god um thank god but another little piece of cockroach trivia oh god um i read a lot about these cockroaches is that in this little contraption that they made the the mom's like torso the woman's torso they said it was like very warm in there for the cockroaches so they didn't want to come out so it was like really hard for them to film this shot because the cockroaches are just like comfy in their little fake little torso and all of us cute so they had to like physically push them out they said they they tried blowing they tried blowing a hair dryer so it would be like warm

for them outside of the torso too but eventually they had to push them out that's very funny everybody likes to be warm everybody loves to be warm and cozy and next morning they stack up a bunch of books underneath the door handle so that she won't be able to open it from the outside and she comes she comes up to the room and tries to open it and we hear her voice kind of say can we be friends again and oh one thing before before that they've like cut their hair to look alike now because their hairs were slightly different lengths and so now they're going full twin mode and um elliot says like now she won't be able to tell us apart they're wearing the exact same outfit and they've cut their hair to look exactly alike and she comes to the door says can we be friends again

they decide to let her in they look very suspicious of her and she opens the door and she doesn't have her bandages on and her face is pretty much healed and she's all like glammed up she's got her makeup on and her hair all done up and she's in a dress and so we see that she's in a very good mood because she's um healed and looking great right um and so she's trying to extend an olive branch and say you know can we be friends again and i've got you this present it's a boomerang and they're, thank you. Can we go outside to play with it? And so she lets, she opens the door to let them outside and they just bolt. Like the second that the door opens, they bolt and run to the nearest town, which seems very far away. They find a church, find a priest,

and we see them in a car with the priest, and they're basically like, and you'll come with us to the police, and you'll help us explain what's going on, and the priest is like, yep, and just drives them back to their house man i like in this situation i do feel like that's the probably the right thing for this priest to do but that is one of the worst fucking parts in horror movies when the person you trust fucking sends you right back

into danger. And I don't know if that's the right thing to do. If the priest thinks there might be abuse happening in the home, I think it's probably not the right thing to do is to bring the kid right back to the home. But maybe the priest knows something we don't. I don't know. Maybe.

So they get back to the... It's hard to say. They get back to the house. He takes them back to their house and gets out and they lock the doors from the inside. They're like, we're not coming out. Eventually, after, you know, pressing the lock and unlock button a few times, he gets them out and their mom kind of runs out and ushers them back inside. It's pouring rain. It's nighttime. She looks like she's been crying a lot. Her makeup is all dripping down her face now. And basically, once they're inside, the priest says, like, care to explain? And she says it was just all a bit much the accident the separation and he kind of nods at her and they're standing there for a moment and the porch light

just goes off on them and it like it gets dark and i don't know why just like that moment made me so sad like they're just like standing there still and the light just like turns off on them love that little detail um and then we see her go inside and she's just in her room crying and then we see the boys kind of wake up in the night kind of silhouetted and get out of bed we don't know what they're doing but then we come back up the next on the next morning and see the mom's face as she's laying in bed and then light hits her face as the little boys open the blinds of her room and she's kind of she's confused doesn't know why they're in there and wakes up and we see that she is completely tied up in her bed that they have tied her ankles and uh wrists to the the bed frame with her gauze and like a masking tape i guess

they've bound her up real good and she can't get out and she's like, what is this? And they're standing over her in these like creepy masks. They're like colorful little, I don't even know how to describe them. They're like geometric, colorful masks and they're spooky. And they're standing over her and they say like, where's our mom? Like, we're not letting you go until you tell us where our mom is. And they're yelling at each other and she's saying like, I'm your mom. And they're saying, no, you're not. And they have in that picture or they find a picture of her where her eyes are brown and her eyes in this moment are blue. And they're like, your eyes were brown in this photo. Now they're blue.

And she says, they were contacts. They're in the bathroom. You can go find them. And so the little boys go to the bathroom to try to search for the contacts. They don't find them. And Lucas gets mad at Elias and says like I can't believe you believe her she's obviously lying and they get in a fist fight both of them get little bloody noses and then they go back in into the room or Elias goes back into the room mom is like screaming

help help help it's like there's nobody around for so many miles. It's so stressful. And so she's screaming and they, Elias throws a glass of water in her face and she looks like so mad and shocked. And he's standing over her and then he starts calling for Lucas and Lucas isn't coming in and she kind of softens and is like can Elias like sit on the bed with me and

he's he does and she's like can you just untie me like I can make you breakfast? Like my my wrists hurt, my my feet hurt, like please untie me. And he stands back up and pulls a cell phone out of his pocket and holds it in her face and plays her a video of him saying like crying, saying, yes, you are my mom. Yes, you are my mom. Like the scene that we heard a bit ago where she made him say that he is her mom 10 times apparently she filmed it and he like holds it in

her face and is like our mom wouldn't do that and she says like I'm sorry I'm sorry and like you're right that wasn't like me and I shouldn't have done that I don't know what to believe i know i'm stressed i'm stressed

oh elias elias like looks like he wants to believe her and he starts he starts cutting off the bandages on her feet and then lucas comes in and says what are you doing and is clearly mad about it and he turns and they kind of again are mad at each other and then lucas like grabs elias and pulls him up to their mom's face and we see a mole on her face is starting to drip from where they when they threw water in her face and they wipe it and it wipes completely off and they're like looking at the picture of her where she had the mole and they're like what where is your mole and she's like they had to take it off in the in the surgery, they're dangerous. I just had it removed. And they're like, you're lying.

You're lying. And so he stops untying her. I think they'd, like, tighten it up a bit. And they grab a magnifying glass and set it up to make a little light on her cheek. And they're basically burning her on her cheek. And saying, like, tell us where our mom is. Tell us where our mom is. She is just screaming and crying.

And this, it, like, looks like a cigarette burn, I guess. But it just, like, starts, like, singeing into her face. Ew! Ew! What the fuck? and she's just crying and then they stop and they're like and like when you tell us where where our mom is like we'll stop and um elias after they burn her puts burn cream on the spot he like gets a little jar and starts tending to her wound and then they put tape over her mouth and they they leave her in there and go downstairs

and i think they like go outside and play again they're like jumping on the trampoline just back to their regular having a fun time fun time and we see someone knock at the door and the door the front door opens and it's these two people from the red cross that are basically like coming to ask for donations but they just like waltz right in in a way that is funny that i don't know if people do in aust, but they're the doors like unlocked maybe in like a village, I guess you would like, this place is very small. It seems like people know each other, but they just like open the front door and they're like,

are walking around. They're like, hello, anybody home? Like we're looking for donations. And they like walk into the living room and then they like are starting to walk upstairs to where, again,

the mom is like screaming like for help but very muffled because her mouth is taped um and as they're like getting closer to her room elias and lucas run in and are like hello like can we help you and even if you do walk into someone's house like going upstairs feels like it's wild yeah i mean's wild. Yeah. I mean, I definitely was like, hmm, these people are, should not be doing this. Especially if then you're like, can I have money? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like I'm in your bedroom now. Can I have money? I mean, like, I wouldn't even do that at your guys' house. If you like weren't home, maybe I would, if I was like worried about where you were. But if I was like, if I was worried about where you were, I might go into your house, but I would if I was like worried about where you were. But if I was like if I was worried about where you were, I might go into your house.

But if it was like I'm meeting you over at your house and you didn't answer, I don't think like my immediate thing would like let me go be explore her house. I would be like, well, I'll call her. Yeah, I would. I would probably walk. I mean, I'm Emily. I've walked into your house before for sure. Yeah, I'm fine with that.

But exploring. I wouldn't like go up into your bedroom. Yeah, I've walked into your house before, for sure. Yeah, I'm fine with that. But exploring. I wouldn't like go up into your bedroom. Yeah. I appreciate that. I don't know. Yeah, that's weird. These Red Cross people. It just, yeah, it bumped for me.

I'm like, what are they doing? Anyways, so they come back downstairs and they sit at the living room table. They're basically like, where's your parents? And they say, our mom's not here, but she'll be back like any minute. And they say like, oh, great. Like, can we just wait for her? And the little boys are like, okay. And they just sit down at the living room table and then Elias kind of realizes like well I mean they're not going to

leave until until we do something so Elias goes into his mom's purse gets out a like 50 euro note and and like hands it to them and is like oh I just like talked to my mom on the phone she said to give you this this is like what she always gives and they're like uh are you sure like that's kind of a lot and uh then like one of the guys one of the red cross guys turns to the other and is like well it's a pretty nice house i mean like they can probably afford it and they so they're fine with it they take the 50 bucks and they head on out. And right as they get out the door, the mom is able to get out of the tape just from moving her mouth around and using her tongue to get the tape off of her mouth. But it's too late. The door is closed behind them.

She's screaming, help, help, help. Oh, God. Okay. At this moment, as a viewer, whose side are you on? I don't know. My side is weirdly switched to the mom's side now. Is that just because she's tied up? Yeah, I'm just wondering if as you're watching it, you feel like, or is it just all

creepy and you just don't know? I think you're just very stressed for everybody. Yeah, okay. Everyone. Fair. Everyone. So the little boys run to the window to watch as the red cross people go away to make sure that they don't hear anything they don't they get in their car and they drive away the little boys close the blinds and their mom is screaming help help help they go into the room and they pin her down and press her lips together and they super glue her mouth

closed. Ew, what the fuck? And she is now like really crying. That's fucked up. It's very fucked up. Whoa. Oof. They go back downstairs, leave her up there. Now she can't make much noise at all they go down

make themselves dinner they make pizza and as they're eating elias kind of realizes that they need to feed her it's night nighttime now she's been tied up all day long and so they go upstairs and they've super glued her mouth closed and so they get tiny little scissors no what the fuck

what I've been wondering this whole time when Betsy walked out I feel like she wants to walk out no no no I don't want to hear it. Sam, we just, we know what's going to happen. We know what happens. So we just skip over it. No.

Please. Please don't. They're going real slow at first. And she's holding so still. Her eyes are wide bulging out of her head. She's trying to stay so still they go like little snip little snip out of time and then about halfway through hit right into the lip and it gushes blood i cannot handle this so they get her mouth open.

I mean, it's it like snips her lip and then her scream rips open the rest of it. It's really bad. I like I'm really curious what material they used for this shot because it's definitely practical and it looks really, really gross. Oh, my God. I fucking hate it. That that's horrible that visual to have yeah it's very bad um okay and elias says to her like really desperately like please just prove that you're our mom prove that you're our mom and she's crying and she's like what do you want like what do you how do you want me to do that and he says what's lucas's favorite song and she kind of wrinkles

her brow and it's like she says uh lullaby and goodnight and it's wrong and they look disappointed they grab the masking tape over her mouth again and they start singing that little lullaby from the opening which is the

correct answer so they're just like standing over her like singing a lullaby it's so creepy and which is the correct answer. So they're just like standing over her, like singing a lullaby. It's so creepy. And it cuts to an overhead shot and we can see that she has wet her pants. I mean, she's been tied up all day long and has just a big wet spot. And Lucas says, like, can't you tell when you have to pee? He's a real dick about it. Like, yeah, she probably could tell and was tied up and can't go anywhere. And so then they go down into the basement and start pulling out some tools, which look bad, and go back upstairs. I don't want to know. tools which look bad and go back upstairs and they set a like little timer and they say where

is our mom oh god i don't like this you know i don't want to know what happens it's not good i just want to tap out now and once the timer goes off they they take a little, like, wooden spool thing and put it in her mouth, like, prying her mouth open, like a vertical little thing, and then start twisting it. No. Like, with a piece of floss,

I think, and are also, like, using the floss to, like, pull on her teeth. No! And she's like, screaming and crying and i mean i think they're trying to pull her tooth out i don't think they get these boys are fucked i don't think yeah they're really i know i wouldn't even know how to do this i was like what is how would you pull someone's tooth out also i'm sorry go you could run to town before run and go get the police what the fuck

yeah no now the boys are really freaking me out now they're really freaking me out they're really freaking me out they're little sociopaths so I think they're like trying to pull her tooth out and they can't they don't get it

out but her mouth is covered in in blood anyways from them cutting her lip and she has like a burn hole in her cheek she's looking very bad and it's just like so defeated like sobbing like sad little sobs and you see Elias is like taking pity on her. And she says like, please, like, untie me. They're basically and Lucas is like, we'll allow it because she needs to change her nasty sheets. Like, we're not going to change those sheets. And so they untie her to weird little torture monsters, torture monsters. And so Elias, like Lucas and elias nod at each other lucas takes guard with his crossbow and sharpened little thing and elias starts untying her and uh as she's got that like duvet in her hands she

throws it on elias and bolts for the door closes the door behind her runs down the stairs runs to the front door it's locked uh sees the side doors open runs out and there is a trip wire and she trips and smacks her head so fucking hard and i really jumped out of my skin i didn't remember that this part happened and it's awful these kids are so fucked up they're very fucked up oh kids kid whoever the fuck it is, not okay. No, not okay. So she, it cuts to black and comes back up on her face. She is on her back in the living room. And we see that her eyes have been super glued together. Oh my God. Super glued closed. One of them

is open and one of them is glued closed. One of them is kind of like split open. Fucking Christ. And she is... I have to get something from Mac. He's being bad. What if he has a cockroach? Oh, I didn't feed them their snack today.

That's why. I've been feeding... snack today that's why i've been feeding them three a little mini meal for lunchtime anyways um so she we see that she's surrounded by candles it's like nighttime now and we see that the cat in the aquarium is still on the living room table like right next to her and she starts to try to get up and she is entirely super glued to the floor and cannot move oh how much super glue do they have in this house this is not one tube's worth they must have had a lot more because her whole body is super glued to the happiness house. I know, this is not one tube's worth. They must have had a lot more because her whole body is super glued to the ground. It's very bad. She keeps trying to

pull up and she can't move and is again like saying what's going on? Like, Elias, please stop this. This is crazy. And Elias is holding a candle and tips the candle to the aquarium that the cat is in

and because it's filled it's filled with alcohol it just lights catches fire and um he's standing over his mom and his mom says up to it to Elias, like, let's make a deal. She says, I'll play along again. I'll play along. I'll make food for Lucas again. I'll like lay out his clothes in the morning. Like I can, I'll do it again if you like promise to believe that I'm your mother. And Elias is like, I don't believe you.

I don't believe that you'll do that. And she says, Elias, it's not your fault that Lucas died. It's not your fault. Like it was an accident. The accident was not your fault. Like you have to let me, let me go. And I like, I am your mom. I know this is really hard, but we'll get through it. And like, please, Elias. And then Lucas like comes out from behind Elias and is like, she's lying. And Elias is like, okay, one more chance for you to prove that you're our mom.

And Lucas walks over to a curtain holding a lighter or a candle and is holding the candle to the curtain and Elias says what is Lucas doing right now and she like looks at him and is like but I can't I can't see him Elias I can't see him and he says our mom would know what she what Lucas was doing. Our mom could see Lucas and Lucas puts the candle to the curtain. It lights on fire or no. Elias like walks up and like grabs the candle from Lucas and lights it on fire. And then the mom is really screaming like no no no no no oh god and the fucking

aquarium like explodes like the heat breaks the glass and they're not meant to be lit on fire they're not meant to be lit on fire and the alcohol just flies all over her so she just lights right up in

flames and is screaming being burnt alive um elliot elliot looks really scared uh also in the house and then it just cuts to the fire department arriving the whole house on fire and putting out the fire and then we cut back to the cornfields and from a like an overhead shot and we see the corn just moving and then we go down into the corn and see Elias and Lucas like again running around in the cornfield and then they like see someone coming and walk towards the edge of the cornfield and it's their mom all beautiful wearing a nice white dress and she like reaches out to them. They both run up to her

and they all start singing that lullaby and like look straight to camera and sing the whole lullaby and then that's the end of the movie. Okay. Okay. Yeah. and sing the whole lullaby and then that's the end of the movie okay okay yeah okay wow wow what a freaking doozy okay well first question at what point when you're first watching it did you realize that lucas was not it's very it's i will say honestly the first time i watched it i don't think i got it right until the end and that was the most surprising thing watching it the second time was like how incredibly obvious it is like literally

yeah from like the opening scene um i like left out a lot of details because i was like it's there it's literally sprinkled throughout like evidence that he's not there, which is cool. But and it's cool. It's like it's like the gorilla experiment in that thing where it's like, right. I don't think I knew at first with the dinner, like I knew I suspected. Right. Basically, like right before you told us a thing that made it very obvious. What did you say?

We talked about it. They were like in the bedroom. Stop talking to your brother. Right before that. When she like yells at Elias in the room only. Yeah. Yeah. And Lucas is like in the top bunk and Elias

in the bottom bunk and she's only talking to Elias in the bottom bunk. Yeah. I Lucas is like in the top bunk and Elias in the bottom bunk. And she's only talking to Elias in the bottom bunk. Yeah. I mean, it's it's very obvious upon a second watch. But yeah. But that's fun, though. It is fun because it's it's like a testament to how cool it is the first time. Yeah. When it's such a surprise. And I think it's it's more like when you're actually watching it and seeing the first time. Yeah, when it's such a surprise. And I think it's more like when you're actually watching it and seeing the two boys so much, it's harder to

predict, I think. Right. Yeah, you're not just hearing the names. Well, also, I think in a horror movie, I'm always trying to figure out all the possible options for what could be going on. There's part of it, halfway through, I was like, does she have a twin on like there's part of it halfway through i was like does

she have a twin yeah and there's something with the her twin that's going on here i thought about that because of the photo albums so so basically at the beginning when he goes in that creepy tunnel he dies i actually i mean it's not or maybe he died it's not clear that's actually the first time i started thinking about it. When you told us about the tunnel thing. Because that seemed a little bit weird that he was like shouting for him and he wasn't coming. People have a lot of different theories about what actually happened. I think that he drowned.

It's in the next scene where they're on the lake. And Lucas is on a floaty. I mean, Elias is on a floaty and he's kind of calling for lucas and it actually pans out to the water and you see like bubbles in the water it's like literally like shows so i think he drowned um and that i think it must have happened the year before the last summer i think this is their summer house and i think in that time their parents the parents broke up and she's having a bit of a crisis and she's a news reporter she's on camera and so she went through this plastic surgery to for her job and she's just

the reason she's being like cold and not having it is she just had a lot of trauma as well yeah and i'm like seeing her alive son is the same as seeing her dead son because they are twins and so when she's like in the room pretending to be asleep so she doesn't have to look at him i mean it's horrible it's a horrible yeah and i think part of what you could take away from this film is to talk to your children about grief and these things and not don't ignore it's like similarly to the Babadook where it's like yeah you need to have these really open

conversations with children and not otherwise they're gonna have a little invisible brother friend and then they're gonna superglue you to the ground and kill you yeah those are the only options so choose worst case scenario jesus oh boy oh boy yeah it's really sad i mean watching it a second time it's watching it the second time i

was like oh it's just so sad like the first time i was like oh this is creepy what's gonna happen it's a mystery and second time i was just like oh my god everything in it is just sad also i'm wondering if one maybe this is just elias like manifesting this but i wonder if lucas did have some kind of like mental illness issue going on or something because maybe lucas was clearly like egging him on trying to get him to do bad things that whole time. And I don't know. But it's Elias. I know.

So I'm just wondering if there was some kind of like mental illness going on, I guess, with either of them. Maybe. I think of it also as just like his anger about it personified. Right. Right. It could. Yeah, it could just be that. Right, right.

It could, yeah, it could just be that. He's just, like, putting all of his bad emotions into this external thing so that he can still be himself. So it's not him and, yeah. I mean, his confusion and his, like, also how he would be so alone to lose a sibling, let alone a twin. And then it's just you and your mom who doesn't even look like herself in this big, creepy summer. Like, oh, God. Because it doesn't't make i mean i guess i it makes sense but it does feel a little weird that the mom was like that horrible in the beginning and like why does she eat the cockroach i guess that's where the like mental illness thing comes in which was a dream yeah she would oh that was a dream they sneakily edited it in the trailer to make it seem like she does

but she she doesn't it's um her chomping on the i thought that was chomping on the bread and then a cockroach crawling into her mouth in a dream okay got it but i mean you know seems like she just she might not have been a great mom. She, you know. Right. Right. She didn't have the tools that she needed. She's going through a lot of stuff with the I mean, yeah, so much so much grief and loss and not able to be there for her son in the way that he needs. And and it really backfired on her. It does not work out. Yeah, it does not work out for her or him.

They're all going to be not well. Yeah, and I think he does die in the end is my theory. I think Elias dies in the fire. I think they both die. How would he possibly get out? Yeah, it seems like they're all together in death at the end. I guess the only other flag I have is

the voicemail. The voicemail seems like it did sound like a really different woman and it was from only a few days before no i don't think it was from a few days before i think they had saved it from like a long time before and so i think it was just from like a happier time they had just a recording that they had saved of her oh i see okay that makes sense um and then one thing that i that i didn't say in the beginning also just because i thought maybe this would be That I didn't say in the beginning also, just because I thought maybe this would be also a clue, is that these are the direct writers and directors of The Lodge.

And so I feel like they're. They have a thing against kids. Well, kids and also their movies are all, it's always real. It's like not supernatural. Nothing weird is happening. Like in the end, it's like it is the simplest answer and it is just yeah so because jenna had seen good night mommy before seeing the lodge and she said that she kind of figured out in the lodge and i didn't at the lodge i was so shocked and you mean you heard me i was furious i was curious the lodge was a great fucking twist oh the lodge was a good twist

yeah the lodge really got me it got me good if you guys haven great fucking twist. Ooh, the lodge was a good twist. Yeah, the lodge really got me. It got me good. If you guys haven't listened to our episode on the lodge, I highly recommend. It got us good. It got me real good. Spoiled it a little bit. Or maybe it didn't get us good. I don't know. And then also

after watching this, I I couldn't stop thinking about my cats, my two boy cats being like, you're not our mommy. And I mean, the reality of that, knowing that she really is his mom and like there's no way for her to convince him. It's so sad. It's so sad. But it really keeps making me laugh. I accidentally stepped on

Mac today and he looked at me with these big wide eyes and I just like imagined in my head and being like, you're not my mom. It just keeps really making me laugh. The two of them talking behind your back. She's not her mom. She's not her mom. She forgot our lunch snack. She never forgets our lunch snack.

They can't tie you up. She forgot our lunch snack she never forgets our lunch snack they can't tie you up yeah I'm gonna I think I'm gonna wake up tomorrow tied to my bed with two evil little cats well Sammy if it helps if we don't hear from you we'll walk into your front door but no more than that okay no more than that we will not

we will not enter um listeners you did it you chose a real wild one spooky one and there is gonna be one more of these March Madness don't know what it's gonna be yet but

I trust your judgment me too yeah thanks for all your suggestions we'll see who wins Sammy thank you for doing the good service of course you always do your suggestions. We'll see who wins. Sammy, thank you for doing the good service. Of course. You always do. Yes, thank you for your service. It is a treat and a pleasure.

And thank you guys for listening. I have a lot to think about. It was hard. This one, yeah, this one was really, really hard. Why is it so hard? Why I would so much rather... Because it is real, I feel like, because it's all things that could

happen, right? I just want to hear about a ghost or a demon. Can we do one about a ghost or a demon? It's been too long. It's been too long. Where are my ghosts at? Where are my ghosts at? Listeners,

what did you think? Tell us your thoughts. Write us a note at P.O. Box 29562. Los Angeles, California 90029. Yes. That's all for this week. And I have a special treat for you guys. I looked up how to say goodbye or how to sign us off in german

i'm studying i'm learning german right now i'm doing pims the pimsler method what does that mean it's like a rosetta stone type thing it's just a oh cool language learning app i'm trying to learn german my family speaks german So I don't know. Not doing anything else. Yeah. So all you guys will need to know is that to say goodbye is Auf Wiedersehen. I will say the rest.

Everybody knows. Auf Wiedersehen. So we're going to say Auf Wiedersehen. Auf Wiedersehen. Auf Wiedersehen. Auf Wiedersehen. Oh my god. Oh my god.

I'm so excited. Okay. Wollen uns allen hierbei so gruselig nicht gesehen hi everybody sammy here thank you so much for listening to another episode of too scary didn't watch if you like the show, make sure you subscribe wherever you get your podcasts so you never miss an episode. And you could also rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. That really helps us out. If you have time to do that, that would be amazing. You could also follow us on social media at TSDW Podcast. We are on Instagram and Twitter.

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