Too Scary; Didn't Watch - HELLRAISER

Episode Date: August 26, 2020

An unhappy marriage, a mysterious box, and a couple of horny demons AKA "Sadomasochists from beyond the grave" - we're recapping Clive Barker's 1987 film Hellraiser! Join us to be reminded of the importance of our old motto: Always be stressed, never be horny. Truly words to live by. Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. And also, just real quick, I want to apologize for my audio this week. I'm in an empty apartment and the echo is Very intense My furniture has not arrived yet

And so I apologize if I sound like I'm doing this from the bottom of a well She's not She's just doing it from New York Just the same thing Told you New York was going to be bad It's bad But we'll take you

Any way we can Henley Any way we can have you we want we want it oh boy and hey guys i am sammy and i like scary movies and i like telling these two all about them every little detail yay and we And we love it. We formed a nice little symbiotic relationship between the three of us. We really did. You guys, I read something actually interesting today. I very quickly skimmed it. So everyone should just Google on their own. But there's been a scientific study released that people who like horror movies and watch horror movies are actually more adept at dealing with stressful situations.

I feel like that's wrong for me, at least. I was really I was I was kind of shocked by this. I would like but but it gets to one of my central questions, which is what, what makes a person like a scary movie? Like, what is it about a human being? Um, so this study seems to argue that they are more like attracted to feeling the feeling of fear. And so they will, um, put themselves into situations where they feel fear and like a safe way. And then that actually makes them more comfortable with dealing with fearful situations in real life. Right, right, right.

Interesting. I mean, I get that. I just don't. I don't feel that way for me. Well, I was offended because I was like, I think I deal with stressful situations just fine. Thank you. I really freeze up. One time I was almost in a...

I wasn't almost in a car accident. I saw a shadow of another car that made me think the car was swerving into my car. And rather than react, I just froze and so quickly was like, my time to die. Oh, no. I just accepted my death rather than react. Here I go. I came to terms with it so quick i was like oh it's okay but maybe that's the point because hey i mean coming to terms with your own mortality is pretty important that's true although not if you could have done something to prevent it and

you chose not to yeah i guess i'm thinking of in the way of like if I were in a horror movie situation, I don't think I would fare well. Even though I know all of the tricks, the tricks of the tree. Yeah, because that's how it would work in real life. Oh, yeah. They'd follow the tropes. They'd follow the tropes for sure. They better. Where do you think they get the tropes?

They'd hit all the story beats. So how are you guys doing? What'd I miss? Nothing. Life was on pause while you were gone. Except for this one thing. Yeah, that's what I was expecting to hear.

Except for this one thing, but you already know about it. But yes, update on the kitten. Is that where you're going, Sammy? Because, I mean, that's all. That's what we all care about. That's what I care about. That's what the people want to know. I mean, we got him we got

him he's inside um i i'm astonished by the progress this little baby boy has made he is a boy he's probably about three four months old we got him fixed and vaccinated brought him in um to uh like spare bedroom um at joel's place because we don't want the other cats, we want to keep them separate for a little bit and he went from fully hiding in the bookshelf for the first full 24 hours that we had him inside

to sitting in our laps pets all over in three days and I could cry I have cried I'm very very happy he's so cute he's so cute he's so cute and i just can't believe that he let us pet him he was such a scared little thing and he and also he's one of those cats that like i mean if he has a spot we have not yet discovered he has no spots where you can't pet him you can pet his belly you can

like he does not care which totally rules it's one of my favorite things I have never in my life met a cat who likes to be pet as much as my cat Mabel and he's given her a run for her money and that's the shit

I love to see so I'm pretty excited fully madly in love with this little boy and we do not have a plan yet for what the deal is going to be because both Joel and I have other cats and so we don't you know it'll sort of depend how

this boy does with those cats but the nice thing is that he will definitely be somebody's pet he is very sweet, very cute. I really, really hope he's one of our pets, but I'm taking it day by day. Sure. But it's a happy story.

It's all good all around. I feel happy. Emily sent us a video for the listeners. You guys should know. Emily sent us a video of them petting Bug, this little kitten. First of all, the cat is like the size of your hand. He's so small. He is so little. He's so small. But then when you pet him, you're like petting his head and he just like straight legged, like didn't bend his knees, just pitched forward, like his head into the ground and kept his legs straight out under his body just

like loving the pet so intensely and it was such a gratifying video to watch i have watched it like 17 times so cute oh he's perfect perfect he's perfect i love him it's i love him i love him so much name tbd. Oh, not Bunk? That was his temporary name. It will not be his permanent name, but we're waiting to fully land on a permanent name. You're going to like the permanent name, Henley. You're going to like the permanent name. I'll share it with you later. We think we know what it is. But we're sort of waiting until

we know his status before we get, you know, because once you give him a permanent name, it's like you're locked in. You get too attached. Yeah. But we think... You think you know it. I know what I want his name to be and I think that it's We can do a big reveal next week. We'll do a big reveal when we know what his, yeah you listeners you'll

know but I tend to move a lot faster and with a lot more fucking heat on everything in life than Joel so I'm like you know we know his name and we know what's happening. And he's like, I sort of see. So, but yeah, I'll tell you. I'll tell you off off pod.

And I'll tell you, I'll tell you his name. Okay. What's up with you guys? I have a stupid thing, but it just really makes me laugh. I started following a celebrity gossip account recently. And it's so silly. And of course, all celebrities, there's going to have good stories and bad stories. They're people.

They have good days and bad days. I will say Jason Momoa, no bad stories. He's the only one that everyone seems to agree is like just wonderful. That's news to me. Jason Momoa. Who knew knew apparently he's a real delight but um i had heard through a friend a friend of a friend had had sex with leonardo dicaprio and i didn't know this person i and it was just kind of a second or third hand story so i kind of took it with a grain of salt but she said that he put headphones in while they were having sex.

Oh, God. It's so awful. It's so awful. And he did not participate in the sex. He just laid there. She was on top. And he made her just do all of the work. And I was like, that story is amazing.

But like, I don't know if I believe it. just do all of the work and i was like that story's amazing but like i don't know if i believe it but on this celebrity gossip site his nickname is headphones and so there she has received like multiple stories of leonardo dicaprio wearing headphones listening to music through like during sex with anybody that's so funny that is so sad it's so bad but i just i love to know that piece of information and i thought listeners you might like to know too you might like to know it too you might like to know it because that's all i can think about now when i think about leonardo dicaprio oh that's a perfect story to encapsulate how like disconnected he is from humanity i know i know it really tracks it's yeah it's like almost like almost if you wrote it for the movie character of leonardo dicaprio i'd be like this is maybe too on the nose

nobody really would do that it's a little too obvious, but no, it's what he does, apparently. I think it's perfect. I love it. Oof. Henley, beat that. Anything new with you, Henley? I don't know. I honestly can't beat that.

I went on an amazing road trip. I listened to the playlist that you guys added to there's now like 15 hours of songs on it. So I feel so happy that you guys all added to it. And I really, it really like threw me back to some, um, to some great classic hits, uh, but also reminded me of artists, artists. Well artists I just find it funny I know but it's funny to like for me to call them artists just because I

am not a music person and there's something about me saying artists that I just am already like I feel like a fraud but things like gorillas and animal collective and these like, yeah, these like albums I listened to so much in college that I just haven't listened to since. And that was really fun to revisit.

Yeah. Um, so thanks for putting on like actually good songs and then some really bad songs. You guys have great taste. It's not trash. It's not trash. Some of it's trash, but not all of it. taste. It's not trash. It's not trash. Some of it's trash, but not all of it. And then the only other thing I'll say is, oh, I hope everyone's been watching the Democratic National Convention. It is filled with highs and lows. I would say that they're doing their best,

I would say that they're doing their best given the circumstances. And if you haven't seen some of it, it's worth revisiting on YouTube. Like the roll call was really fun to see all the different states represented. That was really cute. represented. That was really cute. And then Barack Obama's speech was incredibly frightening and I think made me especially worried about the state of our democracy. So if anyone hasn't listened to that, I highly suggest you do. Basically, the message is we should feel empowered within our democracy and we have the power to change things. The only way we're going to change things is if we vote. So everyone has to vote even if you're not excited about

the Democratic ticket. It's just the step in the right direction. We've seen the alternative and we've got to do something. Yeah. And voting is like the fucking bare minimum you should be doing.

Exactly. It's the bare minimum. It's really not hard to do. And it is so important. And we have plenty of time. And also, since we have so much time, there's so much more you can do. You can sign up to phone bank. You can sign up to be a poll worker. If you live

in like North Carolina or Georgia or any of the states like Arizona that have some voter suppression issues, sign up to be a poll worker. Why not? If you're able and you feel comfortable.

Anyhow, that's it. That's it for me. You can't do everything, but everyone can do something. And if the only something you can do is voot. Voot. Vot, vote, do all the things that you can do. It's very, very, very

important. And if you're stressed out, which, you know, yes. Another thing that you can watch is Teenage Bounty Hunters. You can watch Teenage Bounty Hunters because it's fucking great. And I meant to address that in my checking because I'm really, really fucking pumped about how much I love that show. So everybody should watch that too.

And vote. And vote. And listen to this podcast. And that's the list. And vote. And that's vote. And that's the list. And that's it. Das Boot. Oh, God.

Okay. Well, I have a request that when we post this episode, that we post a little video of the kitty to counteract the really disgusting, horrible, horrible imagery that we're going to go over. Oh, no. Okay. Oh, boy. Yeah.

What's this week's movie? Yeah. Let's talk about this movie. We haven't even talked about it yet. Let's talk about this movie. Okay. So this week's movie is Hellraiser. Came out in 1987.

This is one that has been requested before. It's nasty. It is written and directed by Clive Barker based on his novella, The Hellbound Heart. Starring Andrew Robinson, Sean Chapman, Claire Higgins, Ashley Lawrence, and Doug Bradley.

And I also want to give a shout out to the special makeup effects supervisor, Bob Keene, because he did a great job. This movie has some pretty memorable makeup. You guys know what Pinhead looks like, right? It's a pretty memorable look. Terrifying. Pretty memorable look. It's also streaming for free on Hulu and Amazon Prime.

We wanted to do a free one since we did two kind of expensive new releases in a row. Sorry, guys. This one's free. Yeah, are you guys excited to hear about it? I guess. free um yeah are you guys excited to hear about it i'm i'm like i guess i was amped at first and then now that we're actually facing it i'm not feeling as amped i'm nervous it's more fun than i'm making it sound i it's a really weird movie to watch by yourself i was like It's like nasty and horny right Nasty and horny

And it's the closest Comparison that we've covered is Event Horizon I'd say No That's the worst one Were you really scared watching it by yourself No no no I mean it's very 80s Um

No I think that means that I'm going to be scared. I always have the opposite reaction to whatever you're feeling about the movie and I'm pretty sure this means that I'm going to be really scared of this movie. Fair. I don't know that I'm going to be scared, but I do think I'm going to hate it.

That's sort of where I'm at with this. I'm excited to hear it and I also am fairly certain I'm going to hate it. Yeah. Emily, you really hated Event Horizon. I remember that. It sucked out my life force. Afterwards, Emily was like, you guys need to go

because I need to lie down. It was one of my lowest moments. I can't even fully explain I can't even explain why it affected me the way that it did, but it was a low point for me. Pretty excited to see if we get there again. You're more prepared, Emily.

You're more prepared. You've gone through. I've got an ear under my belt. Yeah, fucking try me, Hellraiser. Hi, everybody. It is cocktail hour, and this week we are drinking a rusty nail. Mm-mm. I was mad I didn't choose this drink for a quiet place,

but luckily a rusty nail popped up again in a horror film, if you can believe it. To make this drink, you'll need one and a half ounces of scotch whiskey and half an ounce of drambuie. You stir with ice in an old-fashioned glass and garnish with a lemon zest twist. And that is it. Easy peasy. Cheersy. So I have some trivia. So the actor who plays Pinhead, by the way, his name, his credited name is not Pinhead.

It's Leeds Cenobite. He only became called Pinhead in the sequels uh but the actor doug bradley said he was dismayed to find that he was completely ignored at the wrap party because nobody recognized him oh okay did nobody see him on set as a human? I guess without makeup on. I imagine the makeup crew at least did. Hi, nice to meet you. I'm the star of this movie.

I worked with you for months. He wasn't supposed to be the star. They're called Cenobites. We'll get into what that means more later but um they were he in the novella he is not a main one um but the prosthetics and makeup on the others were so uh intense that a lot of them couldn't speak and so a lot of them couldn't speak. And so a lot of the lines were reassigned to him. And so he just got to become kind of the lead. And he gives a really good performance. And so he was very captivating.

And I think audiences just responded most to him. And so then he, this movie has nine sequels. Holy shit. And it's currently being rebooted. Oh my God. And the director of the reboot is David Bruckner, who directed a horror movie called The Ritual, which we get requested a lot on this as well.

That is a more recent movie. All right. So I'm interested. The budget was $1 million. This this was a super super low budget the effects in the end all look like pretty shitty because they were like we were out of money oh no uh it made about 15 million it was originally set in england and i was really happy to read this piece of trivia because i could not figure out where it was supposed to be set because it's there's parts where it's obviously filmed in London but they are talking about New York and like half of the people have have British accents and half don't and it's some people are

dubbed and it's very bizarre and I was like where the fuck is this movie set like what is happening and I guess it was originally set in england and then they decided it would be have more commercial appeal if it was set in america and so they changed it and like dubbed over the one of the main actors entire performance with an american accent instead of a british accent what more and more we're going to hear stories about like American exceptionalism happening in the past. And it's going to be like, whoa, weird. When America was like, yes, the only option culturally. Right, right, right, right. I'm excited for that day. It's coming. It's coming soon.

it's coming soon um and so the the novella that it was based on is called the hellbound heart hellbound heart and the studio said that that sounded too much like a romantic film so the alternate title that was originally pitched by clive barker was sadomasochists from beyond the grave. He took the note. He took the note! And they didn't like that so they settled on Hellraiser. Sadomasochists from beyond the grave. Imagine if that was what the name of the movie was.

There would not be nine sequels if that were the name of the movie was there would not be nine sequels if that were the name of the movie oh I like it gives you a little taste of what's to come and that's all I got so shall we watch the trailer we shall let's do it

Hellraiser beyond any terror you have imagined, a nightmare. No. Unlike anything you have witnessed, is born. Because within these walls, the unholy is unleashed.

Hellraiser, a film by Clive Barker, will tear your soul apart. Imagine just throwing that on by yourself on a Tuesday night. That was the only thing to think about. I was like, I couldn't stop thinking about you watching this alone, Sammy. Oh, yeah. No, thank you. I will not be enjoying this. It's like I had fun.

That's the thing is I actually I actually have fun in these kind of movies because they're a little silly and just ridiculous. But this is like definitely a kind of movie that would be fun to go to a midnight screening of with like a room full of people where we're all like getting drunk and having fun but it was just very bizarre to watch it by myself and be seeing the things i was seeing and have no one to talk about well well now you've got us now i do oh my god i can't i can't let's just do it let's just dive right in. Like ripping off the goddamn Band-Aid. Let's just fucking go. If you're a new parent, a bad day means you either ran out of coffee, diapers, patience, or all of the above. Stocking up on cold brew and deep breaths are all you, but at least Hello Bello's got your baby's butt covered. Hello Bello believes all families deserve premium, affordable baby products. With their ultra-convenient diaper bundle subscription service that includes seven packs of diapers and 4 packs of plant-based wipes, you'll never run

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cut to presumably Mr. Cotton his name is Frank sitting and we saw in the trailer he's sitting cross-legged surrounded by candles kind of very sweaty playing with this box and

what is happening already I'm like what is this it's disorienting for sure um and so he's he's kind of moving this box around kind of like a little rubik's cube and some sparks come out of it and something goes wrong and it attacks him, it seems. Hooks kind of come out of nowhere. Hooks on chains and kind of dig into his skin from all over. Like out of the box? It's not quite out of the box, but we don't really see where it's coming from. Somewhere outside of frame, there's kind of a strobing light happening. And he's basically pulled apart by hooks from all different directions.

And eventually we see in this kind of other room that still has this kind of strobe light effect, all these hooks and all this kind of tortury looking devices. And we see his skin kind of torn apart, spread out throughout this room. kind of torn apart, spread out throughout this room. And someone's hand is pulling pieces of his skin off, finds his eye and his nose, and is kind of rearranging him. Ew. Gross. I hate it. I already hate it. And then that hand gets the box and closes it back up. So basically, it's kind of like he had opened some sort of portal somewhere. You might say Pandora's box.

Something like that. You might. Then we cut to a couple arriving at a house. Their names are Julia and Larry. And Julia is British. Larry is not. That never happens. Get it straight.

that never happens get it straight um and you know arriving at a house mark your bingos a new house this is not their house um well it's apparently half larry's house and half his brother frank's house from when they were kids and frank was living there but they don't know where frank is so we're under we're now getting the impression that Frank is who is in the opening scene that was his brother who was ripped apart and now they're going to be moving into this house because now it's

empty but Henley you're not going to like this this house is very nasty there are maggots there are rats it's filthy. It's really disgusting. Why are they moving in there? I mean, it has

potential. Okay. It's a fixer-upper. Once you get the rats and maggots out, it's really a lovely place to live. Oh, it's also filled with religious icons. Another Mark Your Bingo. Oh, Mark Your Bingo. And Larry gets a phone call from his daughter, Kirstie, and she has also just moved to whatever neighborhood they live in.

It's not clear. You know what they keep saying, though, Henley? Somewhere in the world. They keep just saying, well, it beats Brooklyn. Fuck that. Fuck that. Fuck them. Honestly, I think they're going to find out that it doesn't beat Brooklyn. I think they might.

I bet it sounds like I'd rather be in Brooklyn than this house. But it seems that Kirstie has moved here as well. She's got her own little apartment. She's like, oh, I'm nearby. Like, I'll come stop by later and he's like we just move in here like there's lots of room she's like no i don't want to i don't want to like step on your guys's toes we understand that this is not her mother this is her stepmother so it's her father her father is larry julia is her stepmother and her mother is dead. We come to learn later.

Julia is upstairs in what I believe is the room that Frank was doing the ritual thing in the opening in. It's just a room with no furniture in it except for one chair and a little sleeping bag in the corner. That's, again, nasty. Filled with, I think, maggots again somehow. I don't know why there would be maggots in a sleeping bag but there are and rats everywhere

and she finds a little box of photographs of Frank with a bunch of different women sexual photographs of him like having sex with women or kissing women a lot of naked photos of him with various women

so frank frank was pretty horny frank's a little freak how old is frank i just need a visual i i would say 40 okay maybe late 30s i i'd say that julia and larry younger brother i So he's a younger brother. I think he's a younger brother, and I think Julia and Larry are in their late 40s or 50s. Maybe Frank is in his 40s, too. But he's hotter than Larry. Important knowledge. Thank you.

It is important. And so, yeah. So they decide they're moving in. And we get a scene with the movers, and Larry are trying to move a big mattress upstairs, like that scene in friends, you know, pivot. Um,

Larry is at the top moving backwards and, um, we're, we're intercutting between this and Julia having a memory. We see she's like looking off into the distance and she has a memory of opening the door and seeing Frank for the very first time. He's like glowing and hot. Oh, she loves him. It's raining.

And he's like, I'm Frank. Again, all of his dialogue is dubbed. And it's very bizarre uh he shows up and just immediately seduces her she's like larry's not here right now and he's like well but i don't care and so quickly they just go upstairs and have sex like almost works almost immediately and they have sex on top of her wedding dress no so they have just gotten married god her and her brother um and then there's some really amazing intercutting between um frank thrusting into julia and lar Larry thrusting trying to get the mattress up the stairs it's like back and forth and we get it from an angle where we can see that Larry is his hand is kind of squeezed between the mattress and the wall and there's a hanging nail coming out of the wall

and we see that he's about to slice his hand open. And eventually he does. And it's so much blood, a really wild amount of blood comes out of his hand. And he like runs and he's like, Julia runs into Julia, who snaps out of her flashback to her having sex with his brother. And he's upstairs in that in the room with just the one chair and the sleeping bag. And his, again, hand is pouring blood on the floor. And he can't look at it. He's sick.

Blood makes him sick. He's like, I'm going to faint. I'm going to faint. Julia, is it bad? Is it bad? And it's bad. And she says, okay, we need to go to the emergency room. Kind of wraps a towel around it or something.

They go. The camera stays on this puddle of blood on the floor. Oh, no. And we see that it almost looks like the floor drinks it. Yeah, loves it. It all just disappears. Hmm. It all just disappears.

So then we cut to a later that night. I suppose they're back. He's gotten some stitches. His hand is bandaged up. They're having a dinner party in their new home. Some friends over. Wow. On the day they moved with the maggots and the rats. It seems like they should have done a little bit more cleaning first.

The house really never gets less disgusting, it seems. Very cool. They don't seem to have a problem with it. That's the horror movie right there. That's it. We don't need anything else. Kirstie and her boyfriend are there. Kirstie's getting pretty drunk.

Julia is obviously, you know, having some heated memories. She excuses herself. You'll have to excuse me. I'm too horny. And she starts walking up to their bedroom, but then she hears a noise

from... Oh, wait. Sorry. Excuse me. In between these two scenes, I missed a very important part. So after they've left for the hospital, we go back into this... I'm just going to call it an attic. I don't think it's an attic, but it's just an empty room at the top of the house. Okay.

And after the floor has drank the blood, bones pop out of the floorboards. You skipped that floorboards you skipped that part i skipped this part it's important um bones pop out of the floorboards and a skull and kind of all these different body parts which slowly start coming together they're. It's all tendony and bloody. And it's kind of forming into what looks like a human skeleton,

but it's not quite. I mean, it's pretty nasty and deformed and doesn't have skin. It's just basically bones and some muscle and a lot of blood. The rats are all looking very scared. There's lots of rats in this room and they're pretty cute. Cute little rats. Are they real rats? I mean, there's no way they used 10,000.

What was that? Was it 10,000 cockroaches? 10,000 snakes. 10,000 snakes. The craft has this movie beat in amount of vermin. Real critter use. Yeah, no, the craft has this movie beat in a... Amount of vermin. Critters. Real critter use, yeah. So then we have the dinner party,

and Julia excuses herself, and as she's walking up to her room, she hears a noise from the attic room, goes into the room, and sees this horrible monster looking muscle skeleton thing and it's like julia it's me frank it's frank um and i think she has another little flashback of their courtship days. And she remembers this time where she like rubs his fingers on her lips and says like, I would do anything for you.

Anything. And they like go back and forth like anything, anything. Poor Larry. Yeah, no, she does not. She does not win any wife awards in this film. The coveted wife awards. Damn. Someone's gotta get it.

There's just no good role model wife in this movie. Who am I supposed to look up to? I know. We just we're always looking for like good wives in horror movies oh my god something to aspire to there's not enough um and so then we cut to kirstie walking home with her boyfriend and we just see a glimpse of a homeless man watching her from an alleyway kind of ominously we don't know who he is um then that night kirstie has a nightmare a very scary nightmare of like one thing that was gross

and yeah i'll have to say this because henley you're not gonna like it um in the nightmare she looks wet and there's feathers flying everywhere around her so she's just getting like gross little like chicken feathers on her oh and it looks really gross and she sees kind of a body below a sheet that the white sheet slowly turns red like with blood we don't really know what any of this means and to be honest i still don't know what it means okay um but she gets a really bad feeling that something is going to happen to her dad so she calls her dad in the middle of the night when she wakes up from this nightmare and he answers and he's like i'm fine and she's like okay i just got a bad feeling like i'm glad you're OK.

That would scare the shit out of me. If somebody called me in the middle of the night was like, I think that something bad is going to happen to you. Oh, my God. Like, are you fucking I can't imagine being like, I'm fine and I'll always be fine. I know it. Thank you for your call. Good night. Yeah, that's a great point.

Fuck out. That's a great point. Nobody ever do that to me if you think I'm gonna die keep it to yourself keep it to yourself I think this is a thing when you have children too like also the idea that little kids like get scared at the drop of a hat and would

be like mom there's something in my room or like I saw something or there's like a man outside and they're probably imagining it but how as a parent do you keep it together my mom has a lot of stories like that she's a single mom so she's like there were so many times that i was so fucking scared because you'd come in and be like there's somebody under my bed she has to go check this is why kids are bad kids are are bad. Kids are bad. And she's a grown child and she's still bad.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They never get better. They never get better. Okay. So basically Frank has been trying to convince Julia to bring people back for him to kind of feed on. He's kind of come to the conclusion that the reason he's back is that he drank Larry's blood that was spilled on the ground.

He's like Voldemort. Exactly. And he just needs more blood. And each drop of blood, a little bit more flesh will appear on his body and so in the morning she's kind of slept on it and she wakes up and she says all right i'll do it she's in she's in love she's in love and remember she wants what i want she said she would do anything for him so she heads out to a bar in the daytime and sits next to a single guy. They go back to her place. Larry's at work or whatever. And she takes him upstairs to this, again, disgusting room.

It's filthy. It's nasty. There's no bed in it. It's just a chair. And she locks the door behind him. and she locks the door behind him. And as he's starting to get naked, she grabs a hidden hammer and bashes him in the head.

Holy shit. And then he turns around and is like, no, what? No. What? No. What? Are you freaking kidding me? What, man?

I did not see this coming what I'm so surprised so surprised oh my god and then she hits him again in the face and wow she got real bad

real quick yeah that is a crazy first weapon of choice yeah she's like I'm okay with all this. This is all okay with me. I'm going to do everything. Yeah, so she bashes him in the face with a hammer and it shows his teeth kind of dangling out of his mouth and his

lip all fucked up. And it's 80s effects. It doesn't look great, but I did have a teeth dream that night. It snuck right into my subconscious. To be fair, you have a lot of to be fair you have a lot of teeth dreams it's my most common one yeah so she hits him a few times he gets knocked unconscious she's covered in blood and she she's free really freaked to be fair she doesn't look like happy about it she's shaking she's super super freaked out she as she's backing out of the room

we see frank's little bot he can't walk he's kind of crawling towards the now unconscious guy and we just see him kind of get on top of him like he's gonna drain him i, is what he does. So after she has washed up, Julia goes back into the attic and Frank is standing upright now. More of his muscles have come back. He still, he looks like something out of Body Worlds. He still has no skin. Okay, great.

But he's getting hotter. You can see that he has the shape, in the shape of a man. That's a step in the right direction. He like is coming towards her too. Like he's like, I'm hot now. So he's like trying to touch her and he's dripping blood and goo. He says, you know, that was really good.

I just need, I think, one or two more. Like, look how much better I am. I think after one or two more, I'll be back to normal. And he's not questioning why this is so or how it will continue. Feels like he's a demon. He thinks he'll be set. Feels like this isn't Frank. Feels like it's a demon.

Could be a demon. We'll find out. We'll find out. Okay, maybe it's just Frank. Maybe Frank's just a real fucking asshole. Well, they don't get to have too long of a conversation because then Larry comes home and there's a skinless man and a corpse in the house. And so Larry's like coming up the stairs and Julia scoops up the dead guy and carries him into another room and just like drops him off in there. Because he's because Larry is going to come into this room, the nicest room in the house. No question.

Well, no, he's not going to go in there either. And he conveniently doesn't go in either of the rooms in which there are bodies. But she doesn't seem stressed out enough about how many rooms now have bodies in them. Yeah, you'd want to keep it as few rooms as... Yeah, we upped it. We increased the problem. Yeah, just keep them in that room with the other thing that Larry absolutely cannot see. And the maggot sleeping bag.

Like that room is... That's the bad room. Let's just keep that the bad room. Let's keep the number of bad rooms down to one. Seems smart, but she doesn't she lifts this little corpse up like a little baby tosses it into another room closes the door larry's back she's like hi honey nothing nothing weird here um and then she goes back into the room with frank and he's like, you know, one or two more and we can be away from here before the Cenobites come for me. Those are the demons. Then we get a jump scared jump cut to

a close up of a monkey screeching into camera in like from a cage. And it's the pet store that Kirstie works at. And Kirstie's looking really overwhelmed. Some customers yelling at her like, I want to speak to the manager. And her phones are ringing. It's chaotic in there. And she sees the homeless guy that she saw watching her in the alley. And he of hunched over a tank looking weird and she approaches him she's like sir what are you doing and he turns around

and he's leaned over the cricket aquarium whatever and he has a handful of crickets and he's just shoveling them into his mouth ew he has a big beard and the crickets are hanging in his beard jesus christ it's so gross um and there's no way that they're not real crickets i mean they

absolutely have to be um and so she screams back to julia who's now on the hunt for victim number two she finds another man at a bar brings him home smacks him on the head with a hammer and we she's looking a little more comfortable with at this time okay okay sure you know once you've done it once uh just gets easier from there oh yeah so now frank has he doesn't look that much better than the last time it's i guess a little bit better but he still doesn't really have any skin but he he throws on a nice white button-down shirt over his bloody body. And so this shirt is just like getting blood soaked from the inside. It's very gross.

Ew, I hate it. He's smoking a cigarette now. He's feeling good. Frank sucks. Frank sucks. Then he starts giving Julia a little bit of backstory. It's taken a while to get here. I feel like not enough questions have been asked up until this point it's not like

she's just doing it no questions asked it's not like why are you a pile of flesh and bones how did this happen but so he's now telling her and he brings out the box that we saw in the beginning, the cube thing.

And he says that this opens doors to the pleasures of heaven or hell. I didn't care which. And he said the Cenobites gave me an experience beyond limits pain and pleasure indivisible and we're now getting our first look at the cenobites because it's kind of his flashback but it's kind of like she's seeing it too somehow um and we get a look at them let me describe them um so the first one we see his name is butterball the butter butterball cenobite and he kind of looks like a job of the hut type thing but he's wearing like matrix outfit he's in like black leather and he has some cool sunglasses on but he has no like form he's just kind of a blob

um and he has a big gash in his chest then we have just credited as female cenobite no nickname actually you know i read in the trivia her nickname at one point was deep throat so maybe worse than female cenobite worse than female cenobite um she's bald with kind of needles and metal through her cheeks and she has a big gash in her throat looks very vaginal we're getting a lot of this you know pleasure and pain visual imagery imagery yeah then we have the chattering cenobite which i'd say is probably my least favorite and he's his his eyes are like sewed shut and his gums are he doesn't have lips it's just like metal around his um mouth exposing just his teeth and he just goes oh my fucking god um and then we have pinhead who is just credited as lead cenobite as we said earlier and you guys know what he looks

like but for for anyone who doesn't he just has nails coming out of every part of his head. It's kind of like his head is sliced vertically and horizontally, and where all of the slices intersect, a nail is sticking out of. And he also has slices down his checks, more on his nipples. Hell yeah. Fucking Christ. checks more on his nipples hell yeah fucking christ um and in this flashback we're seeing what they're doing to frank this pleasure and pain um indivisible moment that he's referencing where he is hung by chains and being like flung around and spiraled blood is like flying off of

him and he's like moaning and i guess what is pleasure and pain looks just bad looks just yeah where's the pleasure part of this i don't know we don't really see the pleasure part i don't know if it's just like pain is pleasure yeah if they're just training their brain to see any of it as as good i don't know but it looks bad i disagree i disagree i disagree and yeah so julia we get the sense that she kind of has seen this vision and she looks pretty freaked out then we cut to her and larry watching boxing and she's watching it kind of intently and Larry makes a comment like you like boxing now you usually hate this stuff it's

too violent for you and she's like I don't mind it what she's like Frank like sadomasochism now so I like sadomasochism I didn't used to like boxing until I murdered two people with a hammer and now it's fine.

Now I'm steady in the form. And then they hear a noise from upstairs. But there is the thunderstorm happening. But Larry kind of pops up like, what was that? And of course, Julia is trying to get him to not go explore the noises upstairs. And so she's like, it's thunder. It's fine. And then she like starts crying. And he's like, what's happening? And she's like, the thunder is just so scary.

And she freaks out. And he's like, well, I gotta go see what's up there. Like, there's definitely a noise like in the house. And she's like, no, no, no. And then she like throws herself at him like she's so horny. All of a sudden, she's like, no sex, let's have sex. Really coming at him with a lot of different things. Just desperately trying to get him to not go into that room. But as we all know, guys can't turn down sex. So that one works. And they go into the bedroom.

It's a guarantee. They go into the bedroom and they start hooking up. And Frank comes out of the closet silently kind of behind and stands over them and she's kind of looking at frank and trying to seem like she's trying to have sex with her husband and like telling frank like no no no like go away no it's not the moment not the time but we know that frank wants blood and so he's got a knife in his hand and she's saying like no no no and then we see frank is holding a rat in his hand and he slices it in half for seemingly no no reason at all just for her just to show her that i don't know and she's screaming screaming, no, no, no, please, no, please, no. Which, of course,

her husband is then like, oh, what's happening? Am I raping my wife? All of a sudden, I thought we were having sex. So he pulls himself off. He's like, what's going on? What's going on with you? You're giving me so many mixed signals. Frank slips back into the closet. He decides, okay, I'll let him live. This is his brother, by the way. He seems not to care. I mean, he's not really human anymore, I guess, so who knows. He's going to go snack on that rat. Just like, nom, nom, nom. A yummy, yummy

little rat snack. A yummy little rat snack. So, Larry doesn't know what's going on with his wife, so he calls his daughter. They go meet for dinner at a Chinese restaurant. He's like, I don't know what's going on with his wife. So he calls his daughter. They go meet for dinner at a Chinese restaurant. He's like, I don't know what's going on with her.

Will you hang out with her? Maybe she needs a friend. So she says she agrees. She says, OK, yeah, I'll go. I'll go talk to her. I'll see if she needs a friend or something. And then we cut to the house julia is bringing home victim number three and kirstie approaches right at that moment and so she sees her kind of all over this guy bringing him into the house while her dad is at work follows suspiciously and then hears some screaming coming from inside oh god

she's like this is not what i expected and so so she she goes in and julia hears her coming in and in a very bad decision, in my opinion, doesn't like run down to, you know, try to explain and usher her out of the house, but rather, which is obviously the bad room. The door flings open, and victim number three kind of comes out going, help me, and he's half drained. His skin is drooping off of his face. He looks very scary. And Frank grabs him, pulls him back in. She sees Frank, and again, he says, Kirstie, it's Uncle Frank. And she's screaming like, no, this is not happening. He grabs her. He doesn't want to let her leave. He grabs her.

her um and he's so creepy he says you've gotten so beautiful you've grown up so much i bet your daddy is so proud of you ew fuck frank man yeah frank sucks frank sucks um and yes he keeps saying come to daddy come to daddy and what She's screaming, trying to get away. She eventually, I think, puts her hand in his flesh. He doesn't have skin yet, so he's just one big open wound. So she just jabs her fingers into him, and he keels over in pain. She's able to get away, But he kind of gets her. I think he eventually corners her into the bad room. And she grabs the cube thing that she finds on the floor to go to use it as a weapon.

And she hurls it over her head or holds it over her head. And his demeanor changes. And he says, stop. No, don't do that and she realizes that this little cube means something to him and she's like oh what like you want this you you want like realizes maybe now she has the upper hand and she throws it out of a window and as he kind of lurches to go get it she runs the other way runs downstairs runs outside and finds it and goes and grabs it and then runs off with it so she's now made it into the street i don't think he's really keen

to leave the house because he looks like a monster but as she's running she's i guess having some somewhat of a panic attack things bad things just happened and she loses consciousness and wakes up in a hospital but it's maybe a mental hospital it's unclear no these people are not acting like regular nurses or doctors oh no, no. They come in and she says, like, I need to call my dad. I need to call my dad. And they're like, we'll call your dad. First, tell us what this is. And they pull out the box and put it on her table, which is like, you wouldn't do that at a hospital.

The reason I say this is because it never becomes anything weird. Like, I think we are meant to believe that it is a hospital. It never comes back into play. They just don't behave like doctors or nurses. It's bizarre. Okay. So they leave the box with her, and they lock her in the room. Not normal medical practice, I don't think.

Anyways, so she has the box. She's kind of playing with it. It kind of emits these little sparks the effects are very silly it's just like little lights light sparks and she's kind of moving it around like a rubik's cube twisting it so and so ways and as she kind of moves something into place the walls of the hospital room open to this long hallway. She decides to stroll right in, just go exploring. Not what I would do personally, but she does. And as she gets to the end of this long, long hallway, this really nasty creature

pops out. I have really spent the past two days trying to figure out how to describe this creature. It kind of looks like alien. It kind of looks like a wasp. It's like as if alien were upside down and inside out. What? Oh, God. Alien already looks like it's inside out. Yeah.

How do you do the inside out of an inside out thing? That is just right side out. Just fleshier. So normal? Its head is at the bottom. It has like a stinger at the top. It has long, sharp teeth. And it chases her out.

She's running. She's screaming. She makes it out just in time. And she presses some little more buttons on the box. And the portal closes. And she says a big old. Dang. Good luck.

Big old fuf. Fuf. But so she is back in the hospital room now. And then we start seeing more of the strobe light effect. we start seeing more of the strobe strobe light effect and the four cenobites that we met earlier appear and as one of them the chattering cenobite um approaches her she's screaming and in her open mouth it just sticks two fingers like it's fingering no no and i think that was the most upsetting part of the movie for me i really did not like that oh i hate it i just holds its fingers in her mouth for the whole duration of this no no no no we need to move on from this this is not okay we need to move on

we need to move on so pinhead arrives she says. So Pinhead arrives. She says, who are you? He says, we're explorers in the further regions of experience. And they're basically like, you opened the box. You opened the portal. You called us here. Oh, the other thing he says is we're demons to some, angels to others. Pleasure and pain, baby. No.

No. Seems like just pain, baby. No. No. Seems like just pain and bad. You're nasty. You're nasty. And they're basically like, you summoned us. That means we're taking you. And she says, wait, I know someone that got away from you, right? You know, a man named Frank Cotton and he escaped you.

She's like, I can lead you to him. Do a little trade situation oh man she's ready to throw him under the bus yeah who wouldn't be yeah fuck Frank man Frank sucks I mean I'm sure like he's ready to throw her under the bus so it's not a healthy relationship

so they're like well you know what makes you think we don't want both of you she's like it's my only leverage. So we're going to try this Frank plan. Fuck, damn. Didn't know you would. That's a good point. Shit.

Didn't think that through. So we cut back to the house. Larry is coming home from work. Julia opens the door and looks really happy to see him. Oh, meanwhile, also, Frank has really been whispering in her ear, like, why can't we kill Larry? Like, I need more blood. You don't love Larry. Larry's just going to be a problem for us. Like, why don't we just kill him? And she's... God, he sucks....till this point been not into that idea. But if you're going to do this plan, it does make sense. I'll give Frank that.

I'll give Frank that as well. Larry would be a problem. He sucks, but so does Julia. And at this point, what are we trying to do? Yeah. Yeah. What's the plan? What's the big plan?

So Larry comes home and we see Julia looking a little too excited to see him. And we're getting the feeling that this is the moment that he's going to be killed. And then we cut to a man's hand touching Julia's face that's like covered in blood. And Julia looking very horny and excited. What? So we think that this was the last blood that he needed. And now he has skin again frank and so he's like he's normal looking they have sex for the first time and so then kirstie runs home or runs to the dad's house she needs to check on or offer up frank i guess so she's just running

over there she's knocking on the door julia answers the door. She says, I need to see my dad. And we see that the other person there is her dad. So when Frank assumed a new form, he became Larry. Larry. Oh, wow. How do you think Julia feels about that? Julia seems into it. She was looking excited. Yeah, I mean, it's better than him not having a skin. But I mean, it's also like, well, this is the person I cheated on.

This is the person I don't love. I wanted to be you, and now you look like, like, what a mindfuck. I think it would be weird. Anyway. And it's the man they just killed together. Yeah, it's pretty weird on a lot of levels. It's weird on a lot of levels. I think it would be weird. Anyway. And it's the man they just killed together. Yeah. It's pretty weird on a lot of levels. It's weird on a lot of levels.

It's weird on... Yeah, it's not good. And he doesn't look normal. And this actor, I believe, Sean Chapman is his name. I think he does a really good performance. Because up to this point, he's been a pretty, like, doofus-y husband. And he does a good turn to like evil and that's always fun when you get to play kind of two two roles in one um but he looks nasty his hairline

is all bloody his ears are still kind of not quite skin they're kind of blobby and drippy um but but uh kirstie doesn't notice she's too too too like relieved to see him she's like dad dad dad i was here earlier i saw frank i don't know what's happening but he's evil and larry who is now frank kind of is like stroking her face like it's okay baby like i took care of frank he's gone he was he needed to be put down we killed him what and she's yeah same she's like what like what are you talking about she's like i need to see him like show me so they take her upstairs and we see a kind of a mangled corpse that's basically just bones and blood. Larry and Julia go downstairs. Frank and Julia.

Frank slash Larry and Julia. And while Kirstie is alone in the room, the Cenobites come back in. They reappear and they see the corpse on the floor and they say, we want the man who did this. And she still thinks that that's her father. And so she says, no, that's not part of the deal. That's not what we agreed on. And she runs downstairs

and she goes to Larry slash Frank and is like, we got to get out of here. We got to go. And he says, why, baby? We can all be happy here he says, why, baby? We can all be happy here.

And she gets a weird vibe. And kind of gives him a suspicious look. And then he says, come to daddy. No. And she goes and realizes and just then julia grabs her and restrains her larry slash frank whips out a knife to go to stab kirstie oh my god but at the last moment kirstie whips around and puts julia in front so that frank stabs julia and she literally yells no not me it truly made me laugh um and she's screaming and he says sorry baby it's nothing personal and starts draining her of all of her blood oh what a dick god he sucks he doesn't care i've said it once i've said it again i've said it a thousand times on this podcast frank sucks and so then uh kirstie is you know while this is happening runs upstairs to hide

and hides in a different room kind of still has um like sheets and stuff over the furniture like the others the nicole kidman movie you know that you know that that vibe of a room that vibe and as she's hiding the corpse falls on her and a thousand maggots fall out of its mouth onto kirstie so that's where julia was hiding the other corpses of the victims but it's like surely they would smell after a few days you don't just store corpses in your house it just doesn't make sense no the maggots are probably way happy to have that instead of a sleeping bag clearly well the clearly the house smells bad regardless that's true so that's true there's rats and maggots.

They don't care. They're living with whatever smell is in that house. I just can't live with a single smell. The second there's a smell, I can't sleep. I agree.

But she successfully doesn't cry out or anything. He doesn't hear. After he leaves the room, she like stands up and walks out and like starts crying on the overlook on the top of the stairs. And it's like, well, he's still in the house. She kind of drops her guard and he sneaks up behind her because obviously he's still there. And he pulls out a knife and kind of corners her back in his favorite room. But then the Cenobites appear.

As they appear, he turns to her and says, you set me up. Like, he's shocked that she would do that. Like, yeah, you idiot. She has no allegiance to you my friend he seems so shocked and he raises his knife to go and stab her and as he's bringing down the blade one of those hooks on a chain from earlier goes into his hand pulls his hand back hooks start coming for they're like fish hooks going into all of his skin from all different angles and he he gets kind of pulled pulled up the hooks in his face hooks in his arms hooks in it all over his body and kirstie's seeing all this happen screaming crying and as he's

looking his worst like the skin on his face is like stretched off of his face it looks so gross um he makes eye contact with her and slowly licks his lips like and says jesus wept which i don't get it. Does he die? Is he dead? I think he does die, yeah. So he's just really enjoying dying. He's having a good time. Pleasure and pain, baby. Pleasure and pain. Yeah.

Sadomasochism at its peak. From beyond the grave. Sadomasochist from beyond the grave. That's what we have here. Number nine. And. There have been nine of these movies let's just stop to reflect on that for a second um so christy runs out of the room she sees julia also now with hooks and chains in her and the box the cube in her hands and she like pries it out of her cold dead fingers

and starts like trying to use it like a rubik's cube which is like bitch how do you know what this how do you know the rules of this box there's no rules on this i don't know i think maybe this gets explained more in the further movies in the later movies there's nine of them i would i would hope that they would maybe give us some clarity. But she starts doing it like it's like, she's got to figure out this Rubik's Cube. And she starts to run out of the house. And as she's running, female Cenobite comes up the stairs, blocking her way, dragging her little hook on the wall. Blood coming out of the wall and she says leaving so soon so they also want kirstie they would i kind of like i mean of course like i like that they

weren't just satisfied yeah i like that they weren't just like okay cool we'll take frank you're all good i like that they're like no no. Thanks so much. Pleasure doing business with you and goodbye. But so she kind of fiddles the Rubik's Cube as if it's a weapon at female Cenobite. And then the sparks of light go at female Cenobite and basically disintegrate her somehow. The rules of this cube are incredibly unclear. Interesting. Each of the Cenobites is kind of coming at her one by one. Pinhead is next. She

boop boop boop with the cube evaporates him too. Then we see her boyfriend, by the way, has been trying to find her. He had been at the hospital like, where'd she go? And they're like, I don't know. We locked her in here. It's weird that she's out it's like it's pretty weird that you locked her in there too um and so he shows up at the house the house is i think on fire falling apart

it's everything is is crazy this is a real third act climax like you sure sure like you've ever seen uh oh no chatterbox is next coming at her and he's evaporated too she's really good at tech so good at the box. And then boyfriend pops up. Kirstie, there you are. And behind him is Butterball. Raises a knife. He turns around and the house like collapses on top of Butterball. He gets a look at Butterball and he's not super phased by it.

As someone who has not seen anything so far. He's kind of just like, oh, Christy, I'm so glad you're safe. Come on, let's get out of here. They start running out. Then the box kind of starts acting of its own accord. And she looks at it and says, oh, no. Oh, please, no. As if she knows what that means. How do we know what this box means? I think it must be explained in future movies. I think must have some sort of i don't know psychic connection to this box or something because there's no way you would know that this means anything um but so they're opening the front door she's like wait don't open it and they open it and the nasty inside out upside down alien guy is there oh my god i forgot about him he busts in and one thing that i i really loved

this the boyfriend sees an empty milk glass milk jar on the ground and smashes it on the alien's head as if that will do something the alien is very big it's at least seven feet tall and they get into a very funny like basically fist fight with this alien oh it's really silly and eventually um boyfriend's fighting it off long enough for her to evaporates that one too oh thank god so that when she was really worried about that threat but turns out no big deal it's just the same amount of threat as all the other ones and it's neutralized by just doing some more rubik's cube a girl with the thing we've all been there and then uh in a very funny transition you can see they did not have the budget to make this house actually look like it was burning down so it does a little cross fade to an empty plot of land with like basically a camp a campfire

looking thing on it and one chair on fire the chair from the from the attic room ah yes you know how a house burns just right down to nothing right down to nothing except right down to one one old chair one nothing except for... Just right down to one old chair. One chair. The chair always is last. That's how it goes. And she throws the cube into the exactly perfect little fire pit that has remained of the house, tosses it in, and as they're watching it burn that homeless guy appears and walks up and stands

in the fire picks up the cube looks at her he's completely on fire and then his skin melts away and he turns into a bone dragon. Like a Satan-y. He has horns and wings and flies away with the box. So is he the alien they were fighting? No, I don't think so. Because he got evaporated. I think this is a separate thing.

Flying bone dragon Satan box owner. Separate entity. And then we cut back to the very opening scene of the box being set down on a table and the a man saying what will it be mr cotton and he says i'll take the box and he says it's yours it's always been yours and that's the end what what a lot of questions i have them too all right okay okay i feel like there is i i you know i want to dive into this more because i haven't really thought it through but there's really a thing with horror movies where they don't care about story at all. There's no character backstory.

There's no character development. There's no history. In a way, there's almost no stakes, except for these crazy artificial stakes that they've set up. Do you know what I mean mean it's such weird storytelling i think especially especially in these older horror movies 80s horror movies are so different from current horror movies but to your point one thing i think is very interesting about this movie is it straight up like changes protagonists halfway for the whole first half of the movie we're following Julia and she's not

likable but that's who we're spending our time with and we are on her journey and then pretty much at the halfway point it becomes Kirstie's journey and it's just not often that your protagonist changes in the movie and that kind of

speaks to that like lack of like nothing matters yeah like the whole point of this movie or it feels like everything about this movie is like wouldn't it be crazy and like really horrifying if all this weird shit happened yeah let's put it all in it's just like look at this crazy weird shit for an hour and a half which is like not a movie it's fun though i in. It's just like, look at this crazy weird shit for an hour and a half, which is like not a movie. It's fun, though. I feel like it's definitely a very different kind of horror movie. I mean, people love it, and I don't know

why. It came out after it came out. It's probably it came out after Evil Dead, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it's probably I think had more of a story. Yeah, but I think Evil Dead kind of started this whole thing where it's just like... Just like over the top grossness for the sake

of being gross. It's like well-reviewed. I was wondering that. It's a well-received movie and I don't... I know I didn't see it, but like, what the fuck? Well, there is this thing where when you bring in a demon or an alien, you have to do it in the right way.

Because if you don't, I guess they're supposed to be representing like sadomasochism in humans. But it feels like they're just there to be gross. And that's it. And it's like there needs to be something else. I think maybe, though, at this time, there didn't need to be something else. Right. Well, right? Well, right now, no, you're right. Like at the time when these movies are made in the 80s and 90s,

it's enough. And now it's like, okay, we've seen it. What else? Yeah. What else? It is interesting how you need to elevate these stories now. It's not enough. It'll be interesting to see what horror movies are like in

20 years, 30 years. I'm scared to know. What is music going to be like? Will we exist? I don't know. I don't know, you guys. If everyone votes, we will. That's how you bring it back around, man. Das Wut.

Das Wut. Das Wut, everyone. Das Wut. Das Wut. Das Wut, everyone. Das Wut. If everyone does Wut. No, honestly, though, if everyone did vote, the world would be a new whole new place. If everyone did more than just vote. You can't just vote and then check out. I have a problem with that mindset. But, well, realistically,

let's, you know, talk about what can actually happen. If everyone just fucking voted, that would make a big enough difference. That's a huge step in that direction. No one votes. No one votes. People don't vote. I know.

It is sad. Because people take our democracy for granted. Everyone needs to stop doing that. I hope they don't anymore. Things are bad. But I'll show you everybody pictures of a kitten. Sorry. You got that to look forward to. I'll show you everybody pictures of a kitten So Sorry What a weird movie Sammy this movie

Was Crazy It'd be a really fun one to see in a big group of people I don't recommend watching it Alone I mean I guess it's fine I'll never watch this No I have no reason I don't even want to look up a picture watching it alone. I mean, I guess it's fine. I'll never watch this. I'll never watch.

I have no reason. I never want to. I don't even want to look up a picture. I'm done. Oh, God. I don't. I didn't hate this as much as I hated Event Horizon. I didn't. I don't like this, but it didn't make me not want to be alive.

Event Horizon was a little more like deep. It had more of a story that was upsetting. And also, space is scary. Space is still scary. It's scarier than hell. And Event Horizon was both. True!

That's what it was. It was a bad combination. Did we learn anything? Oh, I think always be stressed, never be horny applies here. It really does. It definitely does. Yeah. Honestly, it applies literally all the time.

It's a great, great, great words to live by. I don't know what to say about accents because they're all over the place. Dubbed British American. Yeah, maybe we learned that you should figure out where your movie takes place before you film it. That's a good thing. On a practical note, make

those choices beforehand. Certainly before casting and then casting a voiceover actor to dub the whole thing. Seems like a lot of extra work. So here's what we're going to do. We're all going to say goodbye, but just, Sammy, when you edit this, make... Dub my voice with your voice.

Henley's voice with my voice. And listeners, just trust that we did it, okay? Just trust that Sammy did it. And we're all dubbed. Everyone can tell. You'll be able to tell. So just know that that's what we did.

Okay? And goodbye. Goodbye. Hi, everybody. Sammy here. Thank you for listening to another episode of Too Scary Didn't Watch. If you liked hearing about Hellraiser, and who wouldn't? What a delightful film.

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