Too Scary; Didn't Watch - HEREDITARY with George Basil

Episode Date: November 6, 2019

An unfortunate nut allergy, severe family trauma, and TONI FUCKING COLLETTE - it's here! Our most requested movie! George Basil (HBO's Crashing, CBS All Access' No Activity) joins us to talk about Ari Aster's Hereditary. We needed a stiff drink to make it through this one and SORRY we got a little drunk. Deal with it. Hail Paimon. Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily. I'm scared. I'm Henley and I'm scared. I'm Sammy and I am very brave. We're getting faster at that. Yeah, I feel I feel confident about it today. Good. Did anything scary happen to us this week? I mean, a scary thing that happened to me happened to most of the people in this room, which is we thought you would die Damn it that was my thing

We really thought you died Look You didn't and it was fine And the thing is you know what I was thinking about today It's because we didn't hear from you all day in a text thread Yes And you just had your phone A red alert in 2019

And so I was trying to think Are people more anxious now about if someone died than they used to? Before, it's like, I wouldn't know, but then I wouldn't be thinking about it. I'm not thinking about it until I text you and you don't text me back. We're definitely a thousand percent in a fear-based

society. That is true. That is true. I feel like many, many people jump to worst-case scenario right off the bat. Absolutely. I did that right away. Also because I felt responsible for you because I have been the last one to. Well, did we say that I lost my phone for a day?

Yeah. No, I said you just didn't have your phone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was. You just didn't have your phone, which is a fine thing to be without. I was really enjoying it.

I was like, what a beautiful day. Not a care in the world. Meanwhile, we're all like, should we go to Sammy's? What do we do? Should we call the police? And Jenna was like, this is going to be like the time I called Sammy 41 times in a row. And we were like, right, right, right. It's probably OK. We should all calm down. Was that everyone's scariest thing? Henley? No, Henley, you said you had a good one. I have a scary one talking about living in a fear based society. said you had a i have one i have a scary one talking about living in a fear-based society um i so recently discovered that my um fiance's parents have listened to these podcasts shout out

to rick hamlin um i am so scared about you listening to this podcast i feel like i say embarrassing horrible things and he specifically listened to the entire scared about you listening to this podcast. I feel like I say really embarrassing horrible things. And he specifically listened to the entire Lighthouse episode where I talk about furious masturbating a lot. My mom listened to that one too. Hi mom. But

that was my scary thing that happened this week. The other thing that Rick Hamlin said was that I convinced him never to watch this movie. The Lighthouse. You really had thoughts. I mean, he will not be watching it. Fine. Well, fine. Fine.

I'm not happy, but what can I do? He's made up his mind. And we're moving on. We're moving on to this week's film, which was a highly uh request this is our most requested film because it's very scary very spooky a lot of people probably too scared to watch it yeah name of the podcast um okay this week's film was Hereditary. Woo!

A very cheerworthy film. Yeah. It came out in 2018, written and directed by Ari Aster. Wow, I can't believe those two movies he made were back-to-back years. That's insane. What a feat. Very impressive. This was his feature-length directorial debut, and it is starring tony collette gabriel burn millie shapiro alex

wolf and ann dowd i love this movie and you've now seen it twice i've seen it twice and here to talk about it with us is a very special guest he is an actor actor. You've seen him on HBO's Crashing. You've seen him on Netflix's Flaked. The very funny George Basil. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for being here. And thanks for making me watch Hereditary

because I think I was one of the people that was probably too scared to watch it. Yes. And I had heard many people who had seen it and were like, I won't watch it again. So it was actually hard to find someone who would watch it. Yes. And I have had heard many people who seen it and were like, I won't watch it again. So it's actually hard to find someone

who would watch it again. And we tricked you. I tricked him. I should say that I sprung this on George. He was like, I'm not a big horror guy. I'm scared.

And I was like, well, we need someone to do Hereditary, but it's a pretty deep end. I think I did say like it's a scary one. And I was like, well, we need someone to do Hereditary, but it's a pretty deep end. I think I did say, like, it's a scary one. And you were like, I've been wanting to see it because I saw Midsommar, which is very different. But also, there's a lot of similarities. But Midsommar has a lot of, like, fun and jokes and, like, humor in it to cut the tension.

This one, none of that. Yeah, that's true. It's just just scary. Do you feel tricked, George? I feel tricked. I didn't until right this moment. And the trick was revealed. Wow, that trap worked perfectly.

Well, George, did anything scary happen to you this week? Yeah, something scary did happen. I was by myself at my house, which is kind of less of a house, more of a hill. Hard to imagine what that looks like. I just picture where a hobbit lives and that seems like it. Just picture an incline and an incline and that's it.

But this has happened before, but this shit went down this time where I'm doing a bunch of work on it constantly like I mentioned to you guys and when you're there by yourself and it's pretty remote so there is no real like no one will find no neighbor no close neighbors

and there were there was a moment where I was pulling something out of the ground and then it just like popped and gave way and my back is to the fall. So it was just this moment of just like, what?

Oh no. How high of a fall? Oh, I would have been done. I think I would have been done. Or I would have been laying. It would have been like a 50 or 60 foot tumble but the time spent with all my bones out fucking killed me eventually but like I did just think you know because my parents live far away like all the people I just had this flash of like all the people that are responsible for me in a way aren't close.

So you didn't fall? I didn't fall, but yeah, it was that moment of looking down the hill after your heart stops racing and then you're like, okay, I didn't fall. And I'm looking and I'm like, but if I had, I'm like hurt and alone and

like what, like yelling out? It's like that James Franco movie yeah I just cut off fingers though for no reason because I'm too scared to cut off just start working your way up that'll be better peace my peace

cut my tips off that is scary it was alarming yeah but I'm safe and I'm here and you guys trapped me. So you've been tricked. Nicely done. So you don't usually like watching scary movies. No, I don't.

I have an 11 year old little girl. So I usually watch what she's watching or it's not hereditary. So far hasn't been. She will see it. I bet. What's the scariest movie you've ever seen? she will see it I bet what's the scariest movie you've ever seen that's

that kind of has a lot to do with the era you know because when I was a kid it was Freddy Krueger usually people answer that question by saying what they saw as a kid because it affects you so much the trauma is real

my babysitter told me about Freddy Krueger when I was a kid. And that was enough. And that I literally and I saw the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode. Oh, those used to scare me. And that combination just did me in for a long time. Yeah. My daughter saw

on TV once she saw Child's Play. Is that the one with like little Freddy? little Chucky? Not all bad guys are Freddy. This is the one with Freddy's doll. Yeah, Freddy's a woman and she burns herself.

Freddy is Chucky in this and it was enough. Like that imagery fucked her up and she was just like, yo, I don't ever want to see that again that doll messes with me like I remember that things really especially when you're a kid

images really stick with you I saw Poltergeist as a kid and that one was no good for me that'll make you talk different for a couple years slower and quiet. You know what else can make you talk different? A really strong cocktail.

Which brings us to this week's cocktail hour. This week's drink is a almond old fashioned. We chose it because one of the characters in the movie has a nut allergy that plays a pretty big part. So if you have a nut allergy, you're going to want to skip this drink. To make an almond Old Fashioned, you combine two ounces of bourbon, a half an ounce of Disaronno, and two dashes of Angostura bitters. Stir all ingredients over ice and garnish with toasted almonds. This cocktail is very strong and full disclosure, we all got pretty drunk. So apologies,

the end of the episode gets a little wild. But hey, it helped us make it through this very scary movie. So, cheers. Okay, should I tell you guys some trivia? Tell us about this movie. I think I know, well that's not true. I've not known a lot about other movies we've done. This sentence is stupid. I know.

What I'm trying to say is I know very little about this movie because I am truly so deeply terrified. Like really, really scared. They played a trailer for Hereditary in front of accidentally in front of a Peter Rabbit screening. No, they did not. No, they did not. And parents and children ran out of the theater screaming,

sort of like panicking, like covering their children's eyes. And the theater reimbursed everyone and gave them free movie tickets. Where was this theater? I can't remember. I didn't write that down. That is so funny.

Mine are not as good as that, so I'm glad you went first. Actually, I wish I'd gone first. You always want to start with the best. Yeah, Henley, let us down. Peter out. Everyone's going to tune out after these. Okay, the primary direction Ari Aster gave composer Colin Stetson for the score was to, quote, make it feel evil.

I read that one. So everyone had that in their brain when they're thinking about this movie. The score accompanying it feels evil. Totally. Just another thinking about this movie. The score accompanying it feels evil. Totally. Just another note about the score. He found inspiration through the sounds of water and animals while walking around in pitch black night. Spooky. So also think about that throughout the podcast.

So he was going on like late night walks? I guess so. And then my last one is Toni Collette has called Ari Aster the most prepared director she's ever worked with. Wow. I can see that. Which is very impressive. I could see it.

Featuring. And Tony works. Yeah. Tony works. And she's a beast. She's a beast. She's amazing. Yeah.

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A mom, dad, son and daughter Classic That's what I had Scary This could happen to you Tony Collette is Annie The dad is Steve And the daughter is Charlie

And the son is Peter And And out is Joan We'll get into her a little later Eve and the daughter is Charlie and the son is Peter and, and doubt is Joan. We'll get into her a little later. Uh, the grandmother is Ellen. Okay. Um,

and it starts with Ellen's obituary. Oh no, it starts with a shot of a dollhouse, right? Like a long shot of a slow zoom into a dollhouse. And it was in the trailer and it was like it becomes the actual room which i truly like don't know yeah how they did that it's really cool and then it's like the dad getting the son like being like we gotta go to the funeral um he finds

charlie in her tree house and is like i can't believe you slept in here. Like, it's so cold in here. We got to go to your grandmother's funeral. So Tony Collette is like giving the eulogy. And Charlie is the daughter. She's extremely creepy. Yeah. Thank you. And side note, I've read an interview with this little actress and she was like, people are scared of me

on the street. That sucks. And I'm actually really nice. And she's really good, too. She's so fucking good at it. How old is she? I feel like I am bad at estimating ages, but I think Oh no, she says it. Thirteen. She's thirteen.

In the movie? Yes. She looks way younger than me. She does look younger. I would have guessed 10, but she is 13. There's a funeral. Does the daughter walk up to Meemaw laying in the coffin? She's drawing a photo and she's like

she does that a lot. That's her big thing. Oh, it's like a nervous check. No, that's it. George doesn't like it. That's the sound. It's played beautifully throughout the entire thing where it's like at one point it's just a childish sort of meaningless sound. And then it becomes very haunting. Yeah.

The most haunting and important sound. Like you can actually track what's happening through the story through that sound oh this is where we hear that the she's like breaks out of bar of chocolate and is eating her bar of chocolate and her mom is like annie is like that doesn't have any nuts in it right so we hear about her nut allergy here in this early scene it's just a hershey's bar. She's like, no, she's fine. So she could not be drinking the drink we are drinking currently. That's why we picked this drink. Wow. Otherwise,

she could. She could have this cocktail. And here she is, ladies and gentlemen, special guest of the podcast, little girl. Little weird girl. Little weird girl. Hey, you look scary what's up hey you're drunk

okay so they're at the funeral so at the funeral they leave the funeral and then they like go back to the house I think and you see that Toni Collette makes miniatures that's her like job she makes these little like she makes dollhouses dollhouses miniature littlehouses, miniature little

figurines. Figurine things. And she's tucking in Charlie after the funeral. And she says, you know that you were always her favorite. Grandma's favorite. And Charlie

says, oh, she always wanted me to be a boy. Oh, okay. And she's like well she loved you and then Charlie's like well who's going to take care of me now and she says you don't think I'm going to take care of you? I'm Tony fucking Collette kid.

And she says but when you die. Oh yeah I guess. All this has happened in the trailer so far, which is interesting. Yes. We're just going to talk about the trailer. We're recapping the trailer. Got it.

Got it. She's going through like her mom's stuff after the funeral. And she finds like a little notebook that has a little postcard that says it's to her, to Annie, Toni Collette and she's it says like forgive me our sacrifices will pale in comparison to our rewards and then as she's leaving the room this is the first like very spooky part for me

the mom is like in the corner of the room in the dark room. Toni Collette's mom, the grandmother. Toni Collette just died. Yeah. She's just standing there? Yeah. She's just standing, smiling.

She's smiling. I think she's smiling. Yeah, I mean, she's doing something. She's not. She's just standing there. And it's like, she's gray because she's dead and maybe a ghost. Definitely a ghost.

And there she is. Just hanging out. But having a good time, smiling. Yeah, looking at you. Looking at you. For sure. Definitely a ghost. And there she is. Just hanging out. But having a good time, smiling. Oh, yeah, looking at you. Looking at you. For sure. You're fine. She's just staring at you.

And so she's like, mom? And then goes to turn the lights on. She turns the lights on and she's gone. Pretty spooky. Really spooky. Spooky so far. And then it has a scene of Charlie at school.

That's when the bird thing happens. Bird thing. Yeah, so they start to introduce all the weird supernatural shit and then they tag it with like weirder shit. Like, yeah, that bird smacks right in and it's so realistic. Everything, nothing's done

for jump scare sake it's just like you hear a bang and then you see what it is and it looks like a bird splatted into a plate glass window yeah and then later I don't know if it's the same scene or if it's if they come back to it yeah yeah yeah it looked like in

the again this is from the trailer yeah uh-huh uh-huh that was a hospital but fine have you guys even seen the movie we just watched the trailer and crossed our fingers and tony collette's in it and tony collette's in it tony collette let's talk about her so she charlie's a school bird flies into the window. A bird flies into the window. And then after class, she goes downstairs outside where the bird has fallen and is dead. Oh, no.

First, she like eyes a pair of scissors. Oh, yeah. And then goes downstairs and she pulls the pair of scissors out of her hoodie sweatshirt pocket and cuts the bird's head off. She cuts his head off. Wait, is the bird dead already? It's dead. Dead. It's dead. And now without a head.

Dead without a head. Headless dead. Deadly headless, yeah. I didn't get that and I don't remember if I ever did get it. I just remember being fucked up. I just wanted to explain like she's freaky. I just remember being fucked up. She's freaky. Well,

I don't want to spoil anything. I'd say it's a bit of foreshadowing. You get it. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't know. Oh, no. I don't know what she cuts the pigeon head. She cussed the pigeon head off. She tucks it in her pocket. Yeah.

At some point, we get a look at her room and it's like. A bunch of bird heads. It's truly like something out of. Who's the like Sid in Toy Story who's like creating all the like toys out of just like. The bully kid? Yeah. Is that him? He like glues like all these toys together.

She's like a tool video. Yeah, that's what her room looks like. Or like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yeah. So then Annie says she's going to a movie, but goes to a grief support group instead. And she's kind of like doesn't know if she wants to go in. She's a little like this is not her thing. But eventually goes in and is sitting in this big circle.

And they're like, we want like new people to share. And she says, and it's a very great slow push in shot. And she's saying like, oh, my mom just died. I don't think this isn't really my thing. And I guess like my family history is pretty bad. Like my just all kind of unravels and she just spills everything. She just starts talking and can't stop. It's really good.

So we immediately get a bunch of context for her and her entire family in this one moment. So she's like, yeah, you know, my mom's life wasn't easy. We weren't very close. She wasn't all together there in the end. She had DID, dissociative identity disorder, and then just

dementia at the end. And my dad died when I was young. He had psychotic depression and starved himself to death. Oh, my God. Holy shit. Psychotic depression. I think so.

Yes. That's the worst of both worlds. Yes. It sounds very bad. It sounds bad. And she says that actually. She's like, and I think that is probably as bad as it sounded. Like he starved himself to death.

Jesus. And she's like, and my um hung himself when he was 16 and wrote a suicide note saying that my mom was like trying to put people inside of her because inside of him because he had schizophrenia wow so a lot of mental illness and her family um then it's um the car scene peter wanting to go to a party. Peter is a little older than Charlie. He's a teen. He likes a girl, I'm sure. Or a boy, I'm sure.

And he wants to go to a party, I'm sure. And we see him ask and there's resistance. The mom's like, well, why don't you take Charlie? You can go, but you have to take Charlie. And he's like uh she's weird and she doesn't want to go he doesn't say the first part and then he's forced to take her he takes her and uh so he goes to the party you can see that she's absolutely not a part of this and she's walking around uncomfortably like a little girl would and yeah i see more of aably like a little girl would and more of a punishment for the little girl

she didn't want to go and the mom was like you gotta go yeah block your brother don't let him get too high or horny so then she's there you see her sort of like tumbling around the party someone makes

cake her brother's like here eat cake it's chocolate like that shit you like eat it She hears sort of like tumbling around the party. Someone makes cake. Her brother's like, here, eat cake. It's chocolate. Like that shit you like. Eat it. And, you know, he's just trying to get rid of her. Then he goes upstairs. He's taking bong rips.

My man. And then the poor girl. Oh, no. Nut allergy. Oh, no. And she walks upstairs and she is so sweet. And she's just like, I think my throat is getting bigger. Oh no. They jump

in the car and it's this frantic like her in the back dying. Him in the front seat. She's like. Give that girl an EpiPen. They don't have an EpiPen on them. EpiPens are expensive. He just got a vape pen. That's all he had.

And he's like we're almost at the hospital. We're almost at the hospital. She rolls down her window. She's like struggling for air. She sticks her head out of the window to like get fresh air. And a fox or like some dead animal is in the middle of the road. He swerves to avoid it and slams her into a telephone pole and

decapitates her. What the fuck? What? Yeah. Decapitates? Yep. Mabel, it's serious. Wait. Get out of this room right now. Wait, wait, wait. It's in the first

quarter of the movie. Oh my god. She It's in the first quarter of the movie. Oh my God. She wasn't in the trailer. It wasn't in the trailer. We actually watched the movie. It's pretty graphic. It's pretty graphic. Everything about it is graphic.

They don't hold, they don't pull any punches. What's very bad about it is alex wolf's performance in it because he's so in shock okay so i've said before how i like cried a lot in this movie of course he does such a good job he can't he just freezes he pulls to a stop and he like starts to look in the rear view mirror and can't and he like over corrects and he's like I can't look I can't look and it just is him it's like a close up on him for a while just like shaking

blank faced like completely in shock and then he like slowly puts the car back in drive like after a bit and just goes home, parks the car,

and gets in bed. Oh my god! He's so in shock. I mostly am shocked because I felt like that, well, who knows? Maybe she'll come back. Don't tell me. But I felt like that little girl was the main character. Yes! They set it up like that so that's a beautiful reaction by the way i mean getting in

bed is like he's what like 16 i can completely like that was very real compared to her body's still in the back of the car oh he gets in bed and it's a close-up of his face in bed and his eyes just open for the whole night and then it like cuts to morning and Annie says to Steve the husband oh like I gotta run out and get some groceries or whatever and you it is again just

on Peter's face listening to her walk down the stairs open the door open the car door oh god oh god and then just start screaming Listening to her walk down the stairs, open the door, open the car door. Oh, God. Oh, God. And then just start screaming. And then it's just a like truly, I think, like three minute long sequence of Toni Collette screaming from scene to scene. So it starts with her screaming in the background while you're on Peter's face in his bed.

Then it cuts to her screaming in her bedroom, Steve holding her while she's like heaving her body. And she's saying like, it just hurts so bad. I just want to die. Then cut to the funeral. Toni Collette still screaming, crying, lowering Charlie's grave into the ground. And then

things are just very bad. Now they are bad. Now they're finally bad. Peter's never the same for the rest of the movie. The family is not doing well. The mom is sleeping in the freezing tree house where the daughter used to sleep.

With heaters, though, yeah? With heat daughter was before. Where the daughter used to sleep. With heaters though, yeah. With heaters, yes. So the red heat lamp light is visible through the window so Peter can see that she's doing that. He feels very guilty and horrible. And then he comes home from school and Toni Collette

is like waiting in the driveway in her car. Like hidden waiting in the driveway in her car like hidden down in the driver's seat so that the second that he goes inside she leaves like she can't stand to be in the fucking house with him. Oh her own son. That part is like yeah. I really was

sad. She goes back to the to the grief support group. He's like it got worse. got worse guess what happened guys yeah i had a scary thing happen to me this week sure uh where do i start um so she but she gets too scared to go in and joan just comes up to jonah's um and dowd who was at the first group meeting and just comes up to her window and is like, are you not going to come in? And she's like, oh, I forgot something at home or whatever.

And Joan is like, oh, well, how are you doing since your mother died? And she's like, well, actually, my daughter also just died. And she's like, oh, my son died and my grandson. They both drowned. And like coming to these groups really does help. So you should come in. But if you don't want to come in, here's my phone number. If you just need a friend or someone to talk to during this time.

And Toni Collette leaves. And so then eventually Annie goes over to Joan's house. Yeah. So she is confiding in this lady. What's the actress's name? Ann Dowd. God, she's fucking good. She's great.

She's so good. And she's sharing this event where apparently she woke up. Apparently, she woke up. Toni Collette's character, Annie, played by Toni Collette, wakes up and has doused both of her children and herself with paint thinner and was holding a lighter. She was sleepwalking. Oh, my. So this is a real thing that happened. Yes, this is a real thing that happened. What?

Yeah. Joan is like, I think it starts by being like, well, how's your relationship with your son? And she's like, well, it's been pretty bad since the time that I doused us all with paint thinner when I was sleepwalking and woke up from lighting a match. And then the lighting the match woke Peter up and he like shot up and was like mom what the fuck are you doing and she was like oh like what and she's like i was just cleaning the house like i was just as scared as he was like why is he so mad at me but like he won't let it go because it happened he won't let it go that i almost murdered him. So they've had a traumatizing experience. The son and the mom's relationship is strained.

And then oh, there's a scene where Steve, the husband, walks in on Annie making a miniature of the accident. A headless, yeah. It's like the like Volvo wagon

with a headless Charlie in the backseat. Very realistic. The telephone pole and he's like, what the fuck are you doing? And she's like, what? It's cathartic. She's like, it's a third person view of like this is

just a fact of what happened and then okay then we have the dinner scene I think it's going to be a big one it feels empty because yeah there's a there's an empty chair at the table does it seem like they're doing this every night they're going to dinner every night with this empty chair staring at it is that the implication

yeah dark they shot it really dark like lighting wise they shot it really quiet they shot it really dark, like, lighting-wise. They shot it really quiet. They shot it really uncomfortably. It was fucking great. They're all sitting there, and I can't remember what it... Toni Collette, like, smirks at something. Like, Peter says something like,

can you pass this? And she's like... She, like, scoffs at him. She, like, scoffs at Peter. Potatoes, you little stoner bitch. And she, like, does like does like a little something. And he's like, mom, do you have something you want to say to me? Oh, yeah. He's like, he says something like, he curses at her.

And then she like jumps up. She's like, don't you ever speak to me like that. I am your mother. And like, I know you're hurting right now. And I know what you did was an accident. But you have to learn to live with what you did. And like, you're going to have to live with that for the rest of your life. Oh, God.

And like, he's just sitting there like tears in his eyes, looking like so stressed. And Jesus, she just lays it on him. Yeah, I was there. It was scary. And then. It's scary. Not good. And then it's silent for a second and then Peter is like,

what about you, mom? Ooh. She didn't want to go to the party. What about the part that you played? You made her go to this party and she is just like seething. What's the dad doing this whole time. And she is just like seething. What's the dad doing this whole time?

The dad is just like, oh, she storms out. And then it's the dad and the son. And they're like trying to eat the rest of their like potatoes. Oh, my God. And it's a wide shot of them. And Gabriel Byrne is like, like, puts his head in his hands. Like, things are things are very bad. Things are not good at home.

Things are not good. Yeah. OK. So then she like Annie runs into Joan in a parking lot of like a hardware store and she's Joan is all like thrilled and ecstatic.

And all of a sudden, like Annie, I've turned a corner and she's like, what's going on? What are you talking about and Joan is like well I met a spiritual medium and I know it sounds crazy I know it sounds crazy

there were a lot of skeptics there but then what we saw we couldn't be skeptical anymore like let me show you and so she takes her back to her house and they do a little seance situation i guess where they like have a little upside down cup she's like put your hands on it and i'm gonna talk to my i'm gonna call my grandson in and she's like uh you know whatever your name is, if you're here right now, move the cup and the cup moves. And Toni Collette

is like very stressed by it. She looks under the table. She's like, what the fuck is going on? She's like, oh, you're here. Like, I have this chalkboard. Like, can you write me a message? And Toni Collette's like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I don don't like this I don't like this at all and the chalk like starts moving and it says I love you grandma it writes I love you grandma wow Tony Collette freaks out and she's like I gotta go

I'm scared I don't like this and Joan says okay here's the instructions of how to do this on your own. Here's a candle. A candle. That you have to light.

It is the candle and. It's pretty basic stuff. Like it's easy for anyone. You're just saying it's starter kit. Say I'm starting kit. It's easy for anyone to summon the dead. No big deal. Here's your candle you have to light.

And here are the words you have to say if you want to contact Charlie. But she gets really into it, right? When she realizes that it is a way that she could potentially communicate with Charlie or her mom. She's freaked out but interested. Yeah. So she goes home.

There's a scene with her sleeping with her husband and oh shit, I forgot to say something earlier. When right after Charlie dies the next morning when the mom finds her body in the car it like cuts to her

head where it was left on the street. And is like covered in ants. Oh, fuck! It's like a disgusting decapitated head Covered in ants Jesus Christ Okay so now she's in bed with her husband

And she sees ants on the pillow Next to her And she kind of is like what And follows them and like finds a little crack in the wall And sees all these ants coming out Follows this trail of ants To Peter's room and Peter's body

is covered in ants. Like he looks like a dead body, like covered in ants. Oh, Sammy, that was in the trailer. Yeah, we only watched the trailer. Cheater. Oh, but he's not dead. But is it really happening?

She like screams and then he wakes up and he's not dead But so then is it really happening She like screams And then He wakes up and he's like mom what What what and she's Like standing there and she's like What's happening like I thought I saw And he's like what are you talking about Nothing's happening and he's like fine

No aunts and then She says I never wanted to be your mother What And he says what What and she's like No aunts. And then she says, I never wanted to be your mother. What? And he says, what? And she's like, she like puts her hands on her mouth like, fuck what I just say. And then she's like, I tried to have a miscarriage. And he's like, he's like, what do you mean you tried to have a miscarriage? And she's like, well, I did everything they said not to do.

Like, I didn't want to be your mother. And then he's like crying. He's like well i did everything they said not to do like i i didn't want to be your mother and then he's like crying he's like what do you mean like you tried to kill me and she's like she's like yeah but i'm glad it didn't work like i'm happy that i'm your mother i just at the time like i just wanted i just i didn't want it i didn't want to but my mom was pressuring me so much to have kids and i just thought I should. And and then it's like cutting back and forth between them. And then he's like soaking wet and she's soaking wet. And then they both catch on fire. What? And then it snaps to her waking up.

And it was all a dream. Holy shit. That was a lot. That was good. Those are that was scarier than my cat dreams. Journeys. For those keeping up, Henley's had some scary cat dreams, but this is scarier.

These are scarier dreams. I want to hear all about your cat dreams. They're honestly scary. Jesus Christ. So then she's waking them up to do the little seance part yeah she's basically like i just did this thing it's like in the middle of the night and she like goes up to steve and peter and she's like you guys have to come downstairs like i have to show you this

i just talked to charlie like come downstairs and she's like getting more and more like frantic and like disconnected from reality manic Manic, yes, as the movie goes on. So she makes them both come downstairs and she's got the kind of same setup as she had with Joan with the cup and they're putting their hands on it and they're like, what?

Mom, this is like, you're being weird. And... Then he, the kid, Charlie? Tom, Tom, Peter, Peter, Peter. Then like he stands up for his his mom. And because the dad is just like, you're crazy. You're in you're in. Yeah.

This is like not healthy. And we should move away from this as opposed to supporting it. And Tim, Tim, Tom, Tim, Tom, Todd, Todd, Todd, Peter, Tit, Tit, Tid, Tid say... To be fair, all the names are incredible. I was

getting them confused too. Peter. His name is Peter. Peter. Peter. Peter. So he... Who is he? The dad? No, Tid

I'm talking about Tid Steve is the dad, Peter is the son Peter stands up for Tony Collette This is a documentary about Tony Collette the actress This is Tony Collette's life Toni Collette has had an unusual

life. Tune in to find out more Okay so he stands up for her Yeah and we haven't talked about the light Oh yeah so like The light is a subtle feature where you see it moving through environments

and it'll take up the entire, it's sort of like an outline that focuses in. So it'll take up an entire environment, wall to wall, your entire field of vision on screen. And then always come into one. Come into like a point. Yeah. And it happened when Charlie was still alive. There was just kind of this creepy light thing that's kind of just been flickering in the

background for them that you can't really identify sporadically I just remembered the mouth clicking thing and it's definitely gonna come back oh no okay so okay they're doing the seance and um she's like move the cup cup moves quite

a bit and she's like Charlie that was so good then the candle flame like blows up in the air and then Tony Collette starts making this noise like and then you hear Charlie's

voice through Tony Collette's mouth going mom mom and it's Toni Collette giving this performance of like mom mom and the dad and brother are like terrified and they're like what are you doing like shut up like what's going on and she's like what do you mean shut up like what are you doing why are you scared of me why is everyone scared and she's like freaking out and Peter is like mom I don't like this dad i don't like this i don't like this what's going on what's going on and she's like mom why is everyone scared why is everyone scared and then um steve like throws a cup of water on her and she like comes to as herself again and then peter like bursts into tears and the dad and son are like holding each other crying

and Toni Collette's like what are y'all's problems? I'm chill. She's like what? What? She comes to him and doesn't remember anything that just happened. She's like what's going on?

Got it. Then we get to next day. Peter's at school and he hears... No! In his classroom. No, no. That was too good. No.

Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. And he's looking. He's hearing it from all different angles. Oh, no. So he's turning. He's turning. And when you're in the theater, is it like from different speakers? Probably.

Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. So he's turning around It's scary Ari Aster does like to play with surround sound Neither then Midsommar 2 So he's turning to his left To his right where's that coming from And then he like slowly looks

Into the glass cabinet To his left And his reflection Smiling at him. He's not smiling. He has nothing to smile about. That's so spooky. This is in the trailer.

That's so spooky, spooky. I bet you can find it as a GIF online. It's scary. It's very scary. Me going into 2020. And leave! Done again! saying like me going into 2020. Henley, you've done it again. Henley, our political host.

It's a meme. Me going into 2020. Here's me in 2020 coming. I'm not wrong. Oh, that is good. That is good. Oh, boy. A perfect meme?

We're going viral. Oh, perfect meme. That was good. Okay, so he sees his reflection smiling and then he hears another and he freaks out and he's like, I gotta go to the bathroom and then cuts to annie in her little workshop and then they come home from school he's um steve picked peter up from

school and they say like what's that smell oh she like smashes all of her miniatures first too because she's like so she's so stressed uh annie hears something coming from Charlie's room. It's Charlie's sketchbook. The pages are turning by themselves. Drawing is happening. It's drawings of? Well, it hasn't showed us yet. Okay, good. We won't ever know then. So it's like

ghost drawings. It's just like the pages are flipping and drawings are happening. Okay. This is a scene I really don't like I love when you give us those So I don't like this part but I guess I have to tell you I wrote it down so here goes Hated this

Peter is laying in his bed And No And looks in the corner And Charlie is standing in the corner and she tilts her head forward in such a way no

that it falls off her body and then becomes a basketball and you see just like well like you see that is just like a basketball falling off his shelf like it was like a trick a trick of the eye. Yes.

And then hands grab his neck from behind his bed. That's right. And he starts screaming. It was his bed against the wall. His bed is against the wall. There's nothing behind it. Right. Yes.

This is what I was confused about. Yeah. No. And the dog. They have a dog. Their dog is like in the doorway like staring and barking and then the door like slams when the hands grab his arms and then it cuts to tony collette like in the room being like what's happening and he's like what the fuck like why are you trying to pull

my head off why are you trying to pull my head off my body and she's like what are you talking about like I just ran in here because you were screaming so much but there's already been this like doubt placed in your mind because she sleepwalks and like does so we kind of attack her children there's no there's no proof that it wasn't her

it looked like her hands it's spooky we don't know yeah we don't know what happened okay and she's like and and she's like mind you at this point like so frantic and like she's like yes okay something is going on something is going on don't tell your father what you just said to me i'm the only one that can stop this from happening something is going on and peter is very scared and we get a cut to the drawings and they were of Peter. They're of

his face, yeah. With like X's over his eyes. And like tears falling down his cheeks. Oh, okay. So Annie takes the sketchbook that all the drawings of Peter are in and she's like, I'm gonna burn it. That always works. Throws it in the fireplace and she

catches fire. Oh no. And she catches fire. Her arm catches fire. The one that she threw up. Because she's covered in all of her little miniature making materials. No, because she's linked to this book. Oh, sorry. And so she starts trying to pat out the fire

and it's not working. Is she like in pain? Does she feel it? Yeah. Hates it. Pulls it out. Pulls the book out. Puts it out. Fire goes like in pain? Does she feel it? Yeah. Yeah. Hates it. Hates it. Hates it. Pulls it out. Pulls the book out. Puts it out. Fire goes out on her.

Doesn't hate it. Exactly. Back to Tony fucking Colette. Cool. She goes to Jones. She's like, what the fuck is going on? Things are bad. Pounding on the door.

Jones not answering. But we get an inside look of Jones house. And she has like a creepy ritual going on on the table where she has a like triangle carved into her dining room table with a photo of Peter in the center with his eyes

carved out. What? What Joan? Oh my God. Okay. Okay. Okay. And she looks on board. And she looks at Joan's dorm god okay okay okay and she looks on board and she looks at Joan's doormat which she had noticed earlier

and said like my mom used to make doormats just like that and Joan was like oh haha like so weird what a coincidence and then she like sees that again and she's like hold on a fucking second like my mom made doormats literally exactly like this one and she runs home and she

like goes into like the boxes of her mom's old stuff that she went through earlier but kind of didn't really care about that much in the beginning beginning. She goes through some photo albums. I know. Tons of photos of Joan. Oh, no. Oh, what a twist. And she realizes Joan's been, like, playing her. And then she finds, like, some scripture from a weird book where it's talking about King Paimon. And, like, the parts that are highlighted are, like, King Paimon is, like, well, the part I can remember is that he's a man and he prefers a male's body.

Yeah. So he's like he's like Satan. They're like Satanists. He's one of the one of the. Yeah. He's like a lesser official. He's a lesser official. Yeah.

And King Payman is like looking for a male body. King Payman is like looking for a male body. So we think that the son her Tony Collette's brother killed himself because her mother was trying to put Payman into his body. And so he killed himself to escape that we think. Yes. And

this also explains why Charlie was like grandma always wanted me to be a boy. Okay. So then she like is like well let me go up in the attic and, like, find more of the, like, things that my mom left behind. And opens the attic door with the little thing. Nothing good in the attic. Climbs up there and, like, a bunch of, like, flies, like, swarm at her.

bunch of like flies like swarm at her and she goes up and sees a dead body without a head and it's burnt it's like black is it Charlie's we don't know well I forgot

to say a thing earlier okay tell us now um so Steve got a call earlier that was like, your mother-in-law's grave has been like desecrated. Oh, so it's her mom. So you assume it's her mom. In the attic. Then we get the Peter at school scene.

He all of a sudden raises his hand. And the teacher is like, yes, Peter. And his face is so insane. I don't know how they did it. How the fuck did they do this? I have no idea. It's prosthetic. I mean, they like.

Now, what does it look like? They must have like taped his eyes back. His eyes are not right. One eye is like half closed and one is like so wide open. He looks insane. If it's makeup only and practical effects, like they nailed it because his face looks off in a way

that, you know, you couldn't. You couldn't do as an actor. As much as you tried. Like a human can't make their face. It looks asymmetrical to your eye where you're looking at this actor's face and he's completely still and you're just like, you're fucked. Like almost like a stroke. But it's subtle enough that you're just like you're like almost like a stress

but it's subtle enough that you're not like oh this is blatant it's not gore it's just like his classmates are like look scared like it like cuts to like a few of his classmates are like what the fuck is going on and his teacher even is like Peter like are you

what's going on are you okay like what's going on yeah and when his hand goes up it doesn't go up to like normal it's like 90 degrees from his body like just like an awkward angle yeah it's like all clawed and shit it's weird these are the details that are important things are important and his head slams down on his desk twice I remember this in the trailer and Steve picks him up and he's like passed out in the backseat with his little nose splint on

and then oh no Sammy just deflated like a balloon oh and then Oh and then So okay so he gets home And Annie is like Freaking out and she's like You gotta come into the

You gotta come into the attic Like my mom's dead body is up there It's black I can't tell that totally that's her She's decapitated And like and he is like obviously Like very much like Kind of over it He thinks she's decapitated and like and he is like obviously like very much like kind of over it I think she's a little crazy yeah he's over it yeah

and um he goes up there and you hear him scream and he sees it it is there it's there in real okay and she's like come downstairs you know in this book um drawings were happening and it was all of peter

all these drawings were happening without anybody drawing them and i tried to burn it and then i caught on fire and so you have to burn it and i might catch on fire but like that's just a sacrifice we're gonna have to make so you gotta burn this book and he's like obviously like okay like you're losing it and you need help and she grabs the book out of his hand and throws it in the fireplace and he catches on fire and he burns to death yeah to death whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, how? Wait, explain to me. Yeah, to death. Oh, my God. Does he, like, scream? Is it?

Yeah. He's burning to death. That's in the trailer, too, though. Does she? This is in the trailer, too. Oh, my God. You guys only watched the trailer. So she's screaming.

And then it's, like, close up on her face screaming. And then all of a sudden, she's not screaming anymore. And she's a and then all of a sudden it's like close up on her face screaming and then all of a sudden she's not screaming anymore. And she's very straight faced. Nasty Toni Collette. And then does he ever like char out? Yeah. And then he's dead. He charries out for sure. Good question, Emily.

Wait a second. Does he char out? First of all, first question, does he die? Then the next question, does he char out? But like the flames, you know, go away die? Then the next question, does he char out? But like, the flames, you know, go away. And then we can see that he's dead. In fact, Petra did. Petra?

Yes, Petra comes and sees his charred dad, and that's another moment of like... Oh, Petra. Petra. Petra did. He wakes up. So this happened in the middle of the night? This happened in the middle of the night. This happened in the middle of the night. Okay.

And so then Pacher wakes up in his bed. And you see that Toni Collette is in the corner, upper corner of his bedroom, floating in the corner. Staring down at him. Floating? How floating? How floating is right. You see her feet off the ground? She's in the rafters. She's a supernatural character now.

After her husband burned alive, she's possessed now. This is after he burned, but before Peter knows. Oh my god, I can't believe he burned alive. You see her floating. She's behind him. He feels her presence and he turns slowly to look at her.

And as he does, she like silently like float runs away. So he doesn't see her. He chases. Oh, not yet. Chases him out of it. Well, no, I think he's just like, what's going on? Like, where, where are my parents? And so he like leaves his room.

He leaves his room and he's like looking and he goes downstairs and he's like, mom, dad, like. And then he sees his dad's burned corpse. Oh, right. That's when. And then it slowly pans up a little bit to see his mom sticking to the ceiling above him silently and I think it's like scarier that it's not no there's no sound design

to like jump scare you yeah and I think one of the things he does really well too as well as the composer is like they take the sound out of it they make it absolutely quiet if she popped up that'd be one thing, but the no clue

is like, how long has she been there? Could she be there all the time? Is there like... That's scary. And then he turns because he feels like the presence of someone behind him and you see a naked

man. What? In a doorway. That guy is who? It's nobody. It's just so scary. It's the people in that fucking, I found this out. Yes. Yes, it's in the funeral from the beginning. From the funeral, they're using the same people

as specters. So in the funeral, when she's like, oh, everyone here, my mother would be pretty suspicious that there's so many strangers here. And they all make a reappearance later. But this part, I think, for me, is the scariest part.

Is he a ghost? A single man. No. He's just a naked man standing in the doorway, staring with a huge smile on his face. I thought I didn't think she was going to say smile. Yeah. I just said smile.

I don't remember. I thought because I was really scared. They used people from that group therapy, too. Yes. They also came back as like the implication being that they've all been kind of like following her. It's been a fucking plan. They're all like Satanists for payment. Exactly.

So Peter is like in the living room and he sees his dad's dead body. He sees this naked man like in the corridor, like staring at him, smiling. And then Annie lunges out at him and this is like one of the biggest jump scares for me and chases him down the hallway and he runs up into the attic and he's able to close the attic before she gets in and and he's just hearing like and this is scary this is the most traumatizing Part visually and you can see it In the trailer

Yes in the trailer And then it cuts to her Floating Clinging to the attic door Smashing her head on it and He's like no stop it mommy Stop it stop it stop it mommy And so then he

goes to the area of the attic where the grandmother's body was it is no longer there but it's surrounded by candles and it's a photo of him again with the

eyes gone and then he goes, okay, you just have to wake up. Just wake up. Just wake up. Just wake up. And then he hears No. And he looks up and it is Toni Collette

hanging from the ceiling. Oh, no. Oh, no. What? I don't no! What? I don't know. What? I don't know. This is the only... I don't know. This is the only part of the movie I know. Slicing her own neck with a piano wire. Wait, slicing her own neck with a piano wire.

She's decapitating herself. With a piano wire? Wait, why a piano wire? Why is a piano relevant? I don't know. I just looked up that in the trivia. That's what I said. A wire. She's slicing her own head off. It's essentially like a metal wire. So she made it through the door

somehow. And she's in there. Because spirits. She's slowly sawing her head off. She's sawing her head off at first slowly and then she speeds up. And then she speeds up And then she's just like Exactly

She's about to cut it off And then Peter sees Three of the naked people In the doorway Smiling at him And he just is like panicked Throws himself out the window Knocks himself out

From jumping out of a second story window. Oh, the light. And that light, it focuses on him. It comes in and so it ends in that unified point on him. And so when he wakes up, he's not Ricky

or Tid or whatever the fuck his name is. Paytar. One of those. Paytar. He wakes up and he sees Annie's headless body floating into the treehouse that Charlie... Completely, again,

silent. Silent. There's no spooky sound. It's just the floating decapitated body. It was eerie as shit. So he goes up into the tree house with his headless mother. And his headless grandmother is also in there. Every headless motherfucker you could think of is in there.

Oh, yeah, yeah, Charlie. Charlie's in there. Everyone's bowing. Without their heads? Yeah. Well, a lot of them are bowing without their heads Some of them are bowing with heads Some are with heads Like the naked people are in there too

Yes It becomes clear that it's like They were cult members Who have been following Paimon So Paimon does come into Peter So he's the light.

Yeah. So it ends with Ann Dowd saying you are one of the eight kings of hell and hail Paimon. Hail Paimon. And it ends with them chanting hail Paimon. What is crazy to me about this movie is it really feels

like it wasn't until the very end that it became about demons like obviously that was like the through line but most of the horror was like real gnarly family shit like grief yeah isn't that what we want out of everything like comedy

horror or whatever if it's based in reality yeah and it's something that we can either relate to because you're watching and you're like, ugh, that would suck or that did suck when I went through it. Right. Yeah. Henley, will you see it? You know what? I'm planning

on retiring early. What does that mean, Henley? So I think when I have a lot of free time on my hands later in life. Oh, literally retiring early. Okay. Okay. No, I'm with you now.

I think I'll add it to my list of things to do. So you're going to watch this movie in like 40 years? Great. That wouldn't be early, I guess. 20 years would be early. 30 years would be average. That's my timeline. I'm not saying how old we are.

I'll never see this movie ever ever ever was there anything um an image that will stick with you that really scared you oh my god okay so the the literal only thing i knew about this movie before watching was the sawing her own head off and and oh my how did you only see that i didn't see oh my god i didn. No, I'll never see it. Never, ever, ever, ever see it. A friend was telling me about this movie and he did the like motion and like I can't, I, fuck.

I, oh man. Listeners of the pod know that I don't like when any parts of body are separated from the core of the body. I want it all to stay. I want it all to stay where it belongs. Kill the whole thing or not, but keep it together. And that's really upsetting

to me. I think honestly, though, what's going to stick with me is the girl being decapitated at the beginning because I truly did not see that coming. Me too. And the boy's reaction. Oh my God, the idea that it's like at the end. The brother's reaction is the thing that sticks with me. That's the most powerful part of the movie, I'd say. And then not. Like, holy fucking shit. That's definitely the most powerful part of the movie, I'd say. And then not, like, holy fucking shit.

That's definitely the most powerful part of the movie. This has been great and so scary. Please nobody put a hex on my house. I have to go to sleep here alone and I will be scared. George, anything to plug?

Yeah. Thank you, Emily. You're welcome. Thank you for having me. I did have a really amazing time, so thank you. We loved having you. Come back anytime. It was a joy. I do have a show, I think, coming out on November

21st. 21st. 30 Days has November, so 21st. It's called No Activity And it was by some Really nice people That are really funny

And cool Where is it gonna be? It's gonna be on CBS All Access Oh cool Hell yeah Hell yeah Very cool

And it's like Season 3 So the first couple seasons Had really great people in it That are phenomenal And I'm pretty honored So I can't wait to watch it I can't wait to watch it I can't wait pretty honored so I can't wait to watch it

I can't wait to watch it watch it guys hey from all of us here goodbye goodbye hi guys Emily here thanks for listening to another episode of Too Scary Didn't Watch.

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