Too Scary; Didn't Watch - IN A VIOLENT NATURE with Chris Nash

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

A soft woodland breeze, murderous footsteps, bird-song and upsetting squelching, we're recapping the world's first ASMR horror film, Chris Nash's IN A VIOLENT NATURE! Stay tuned for an interview with Chris at the end of the episode!TrailerMovie stats @ 19:24Recap starts @ 31:30Interview with Chris Nash @ 1:28:34Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to. And it is week three of Hellchella. Still Hellchella, baby. Still Hellchella. Still Hellchella, baby.

Still Hellchella. Emily's back. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God. I'm recovering from the flu. Oh, Sammy's been so sick. Sammy had a really good birthday and then the world was like, you had too much fun.

I take it back. I'm going to take you down. Here's a gift for you. But we are going to have a really good episode for you guys today. Nevertheless. Nevertheless. Don't you worry for one moment. We have, I mean, a very exciting episode because we also have an interview with the director this episode.

We do. Excuse me, professional much? We're basically professionals. And you might notice you might notice in that interview a voice, a fourth voice, if you will. Oh, five. Because then there's the director. Why am I saying it this way? We had Joel step in for our sick sick Sammy um because of course me

and Henley did not watch this movie uh but Joel did and so Joel stepped in as our resident horror fan thank god for Joel because I was ready I was I was ready there was a 4 p.m showing you were really gonna do it I was gonna ask our babysitter if she could come. And I was like, I'm going to do it. I could do it. My brother called me, actually. And he was like, what are you up to? And I was like, I might have to go see this horror movie.

He was like, well, can you get out of it? Can you say, like, can you get out of it? Henley, will you be okay? A real close call. My God. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I'll do it.

I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it if I need to do it. He was like, well, what's it? Well, is it like a really scary one? And I was like, everything I'm know. I don't know. I'll do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it if I need to do it. He was like, well, what's it? Well, is it like a really scary one? And I was like, everything I'm seeing online makes it look really scary. I don't think, do not think you would have enjoyed that. I don't think you would have, but I would have done it. Listeners, if you are too excited and you want to get straight to it, we've got timestamps in the show notes as per usual. So check those out because we've got

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because it was a lot of things. There will be links in the show notes as well. It's Hellchella Summer, baby. We got a lot of good stuff coming up what a gift and it wouldn't be a summer festival without someone getting an illness that's true without a little outbreak of the flu that's true i know is it hot in here or do we have a fever? Speaking of, yes, did anything scary happen to any of us this week? Tammy, tell us. I would say so, yes.

I'd say it's been a pretty scary week for me. I did turn 35 and it was a while ago now. Not a huge while. Time is a blur. I've been in a fever dream. We went to Catalina Island for my birthday. Did we ever. Cesspool.

Cesspool of germs over there. A true hotbed of disease. No, it was so much fun. We had the freaking time of our lives and I would do it all again. I would never do it again, but I'm glad I did it once. I mean, no regrets is what I mean. And I am someone with many regrets and going to Catalina was not one of them. I really, really had a great time.

It is such a weird place. If any of our listeners live on Catalina Island or grew up on Catalina Island, please send us an email, tscwpodcast at gmail.com. I really want to know everything about it. The population of the island is less than the amount of people that went to my high school. It's wild. It's like 3,600 people live on the island. Wow. And amount of people that went to my high school it's like 36 3600 people live on the island wow and there is a high school there i didn't really realize actually even that many people live there i never went to catalina and it's so strange it is so strange

we asked a local at one point what goes on here and he was like bar fights and shark attacks i was like what what bar fights and shark attacks nothing really mostly just bar fights and shark attacks i was like what what bar fights and shark attacks nothing really mostly just bar fights and shark attacks bar fights did you guys participate in any bar fights do you see any bar fights we didn't see any bar fights but i could see how maybe that would be the energy felt right for that to happen it's like kind of like vegas on an island feeling i was anticipating Vegas, but it's so small scale that it's hard to compare. It's more like downtown Disney on an island. Oh, interesting. It's also like beachy solving. Like sort of like a darker, hornier, beachy solving.

It's like a beach town. It's like Ocean City, Marylandland on an island on an island my therapist shout out to my therapist who i love was like it's kind of has like renfair energy and i was like yes oh whoa it's very horny it's there's like a swinger culture there i mean i think there's truly probably no place like it on Earth. It's just so weird. I used to go all the time as a kid too and I was oblivious to all of this. The nightlife there,

obviously I wasn't participating in that when I was a child. I never experienced anything like it. We went to a bar where there were probably less than 10 other people there. The lights were so bright. It's the brightest room I've ever been in in my life. it becomes like all of us can't help but feel like we're just all there speaking to each other because you hear everything like an operating room everyone is yeah yeah and you

can see everyone's features in near detail fully fully illuminated absolutely insane um just what you want it in the middle of the night truly when you're drinking truly truly Fully illuminated. Absolutely insane. Just what you want in the middle of the night. Truly. When you're drinking. Truly, truly. And then we went to DeKlerb, which is where I suspect maybe I picked up my... That could have been where the illness happened. Oh my God.

Where one man or probably 22-year-old guy... Yeah, I do believe that that was the age cleared the dance like was pushing people out of the way on the dance floor hands out pushing five separate times so that he could if not more so that he could do the worm no oh my god it was like every few minutes and over and over and not like, not even like he did the row, the worm five times in a row. He would like push everybody away, do the worm.

A couple minutes would pass. We'd be dancing. I'd be like, hold on. Maybe these people, maybe there's new people who haven't seen me do the worm. And he would do the worm. I mean,

fully put his like full front of his body on a public dance floor. Wait, this is also just like drunk wedding energy. It's like super drunk wedding energy. It had wedding dance floor vibes. It had, it really reminded me of, I went on a cruise

when I was 16 and there was a club for the teens and it had the energy of a teen dance club where everyone was like, whoa, club.

But it was like, it was adults but also it was so, there's, I can't, there was a guy there who had a, he was promoting his hawk show and he kept having

his hawk fly around at people and he like had he made not in the club this was on not in the club this was on the street yeah but he had his he he made his hawk fly like he would like make it like fly at people then like go over their heads you know so it's like oh my god a hawk and he did that to me i was walking by in the hot like flew over my head and i went ah and he went don't scream what i was like like as if i was like disturbing his bird but i was like you made your hawk fly in my face and surprised me you can't be it's really just it was the most fascinating 36 hours of my entire life. And I'll never go back. I gotta say, we won't get into what this means, but anyone who has been there,

we witnessed somebody get their wiki whacked at Luau Larry's. We'll tell you later because I really don't want to get into it, but if anybody has experienced that, we're with you, we see you. We stand with you. It was not okay what happened at Luau Larry's.

WikiWack? It was really not okay. It's not right. It's not right what they're doing at Luau Larry's. They should be stopped. They should absolutely be stopped. Oh, my God. What a crazy place. Anyways, so. Oh man. Yeah. And now you've had like a week long serious illness from. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, I did say if we had gotten off that island without one of us getting deeply ill, it would have been an

absolute miracle. And I am very sorry that it was you it's not fair and it's not right but i'm glad it does also feel like it makes sense yeah i'm glad it was me i would have felt bad if it was somebody else it's honestly amazing that it was only you yeah thank god thank god oh man henley so did that count as emily's scary thing too? Yes. Yeah. Yes, it does. Yeah, it really counts. It really counts. I had something genuinely scary happen to me as well. Maybe it wasn't as scary as getting wiki-whacked at Luau Larry's.

I don't know. It wasn't. But I was outside with Silas and Baby Mae. And there are these like steep stone steps that lead down to the basement. And I was holding baby May. Oh, God. And Silas wanted to go down these steps. And then he decided to like crouch down and pick something up.

And then I was right there holding baby May. And I watched him fully fall down the entire flight of stairs, you guys. Oh, no. And the only reason I can tell this story and it's okay is because not a scratch, not a bruise. Oh, wow. My God. Not one single injury, but it happened like in slow motion. I watched him do full somersaults down.

Oh, my God. do full somersaults down a steep flight of stone stairs, like sharp stairs. Yeah, like hard edges. Hard edges. This is not okay. And I was holding baby Mae, so I couldn't do anything. You guys, I'm not even kidding. He didn't even hit his. Like he fully full somersaulted all the way down multiple times, full somersaults all the way down. I like rushed down and like crying. I'm like, Seth, like, I'm like, are you okay? Like, do you feel, do you feel your legs? Like, are you okay? Like, are you, and he, he is fine. And then he starts crying because he sees how upset I am. But then Tim like came running over and Tim starts giving him the, you know,

like the little test you give to make sure someone doesn't have a concussion. He's like, he's like, Silas, like what's your little sister's name? And he's like, baby.

And he's like, what's your, what's your grandmother's name? And he was like, Nana. So he's completely fine. was full-on traumatized because in my head all i can do is think like what if something had gone wrong what if he is hurt what if there is something like secret broken bone that we haven't figured out yet like

what if there's something terrible that has happened so i like give baby made it to him and then we silas and I like go into the basement as we were planning on doing. And I like stop him and I like lean down and I'm like, Silas, like, look at me. Like, are you okay? Because that was really scary for mommy. Was it scary for you? And he goes, mommy, it's no problem. It's no problem, mommy. it's no problem, mommy. And I was like, okay, like, thank you. But also, wow, it's fucked up that my like almost three-year-old is the one who's consoling me in a situation where he's the one that just fell down. It's no problem. It's no problem, mommy. It's no problem. It's no problem. It's nothing like getting your wiki whacked at Luwallaries.

You don't even know mommy. you act at Lou Allaire's. You don't even know mommy. This is nothing, mommy. But the resilience in these children, I could, I am still in shock. I'll never forget that. It will always be replaying in my head, watching him do a full

several somersaults down those stairs. I can't believe it. He was completely fine. It was terrifying. Really scared the shit out of me. But he's fine. He's completely fine. He's completely fine. That does terrifying. Really scared the shit out of me. But he's fine. He's completely fine. He's completely fine. That does sound quite scary. Thank goodness. I'm never going to take him to Catalina though because

I'm not sure. No, don't take him to Catalina. I don't think we'd make it off the island. I'm a little worried. I was shocked that we made it off, truly. I thought the island was going to keep me there. I really loved it as a kid. I gotta say, I think it's a different place as a child. I would hope so. Yeah, I would absolutely hope so. I really hope so. I really need that to be true.

Well, okay. Another scary thing that happened this week was on Tuesday, I started feeling the flu coming on. I was having body aches and i had not yet seen this week's movie and so i ran to the movie theater wearing a mask i booked my seat the furthest corner away from anybody and watched this movie as like the flu was coming on which was a very funny experience but anyways this week's movie week of Hellchella, is in a violent nature. It is in theaters now. It will be coming to Shudder, not sure when, in a couple months probably. Written and directed by Chris Nash, starring Rye Barrett, Andrea Pavlovich, Cameron Love,

starring Rye Barrett, Andrea Pavlovich, Cameron Love, Reese Presley, and Lauren Marie Taylor. And how are you guys feeling about today's movie? Well, I really enjoyed talking to the director. The director seems like a really nice guy. And so that helps. It does help. Yeah. He seems like someone I would definitely want to hang out with. It does help. Yeah. He, he seems like someone I would definitely, you know, want to hang out with. Yep. Great.

And so I'm just going to focus, focus on that energy while you tell me about the terrible things that happened in this movie. Yeah. I don't know much about it. Um, the imagery that I've seen, I'm certainly not a fan of.

Yeah. I really, that's pretty much as that's as much as I know. And I think knowing more isn't going to help. I think you're right. There is some stuff in this that you guys definitely have not heard before. Oh, okay. Actually, that does make me a little interested though so this is this is a slasher

and i wanted to plug i was recently on our friend's podcast physical therapy a movie podcast our friend marty who came on for the joyride episode and we talked about slashers and it kind of made me realize i haven't seen as many slashers as I would have thought I mean I've seen I've seen the basics but on that episode Marty asked that we bring kind of some lesser-known slashers to the table and I realized that I hadn't really seen aside from the main franchises we've got you know Friday the 13, Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Scream. Seen those. Lesser known ones, I found myself recommending more like sub sub genres like home invasion movies.

Or not just straight up like a killer. Yeah. Coming to get you. Yeah. Yeah. Of which there are many movies, but I just have not seen a lot of... Lesser known ones. Lesser known ones.

And so I was kind of excited to see this movie because it's a new take on a genre that is obviously very popular. And there are many entries into this space already. very popular and there are many entries into this space already and so it was kind of it came at a good time for me where i was feeling insecure about my knowledge of slashers and so i was like all right here we go slasher i'm ready for it and i had a great time aside from the aforementioned flu brewing but um i really liked this movie and I might be a complete freak. I mean, I think we know that I am, but I was very relaxed in this movie. This felt to me like what you might throw on for a rain day, like an ASMR soundscape. Wow.

I was really relaxed and calm. And I was surprised by that. Very surprising. And when I was reading about it, that was a familiar thing. People were saying that. They were saying that it was oddly soothing, an oddly soothing experience. Interesting.

It's this kind of dichotomy of these peaceful sounds of nature mixed with complete awful horrors. Very brutal murders. That's a new soundscape idea for Headspace, if they want to add that in. Snowville, Aid of Violent Nature. It really worked for me. I really appreciate it.

I hadn't quite had a viewing experience like this before. Oh, something I wanted to say that's also going to be a bit shoehorned in here. You know, my weapon of choice is a fire poker in terms of slasher movies, I think is where we decided our weapon of choice. I can't get it all the way out, but for my birthday, Emily bought me a fire poker. Oh, my God. She needed to have one. You need it next to your bed i honestly i got worried

that you were going to get one for yourself before i could get you this that's really you've been really talking about it that's really funny and it's a perfect one it's exactly the kind that i picture when i think about the perfect weapon classic classic fire poker there's a lot of you could do a lot of flashy stuff with the fire poker and I was like, no, no, no. My girl Sammy, it needs to be classic. It's a wrought iron, sharp as fuck. This is a raw tool. Fire poker. It's heavy. It could

do some damage. I'm gonna like put it next to my bed and you know, just in case someone's gonna get if anyone tries to fuck with me. You're gonna get fire poked. You're gonna get poked. So, thank you, Emily and joel you're so welcome you're so welcome um i will tell you guys that in a violent nature has an 82 on rotten tomatoes a 71 on metacritic and a 6.3 on IMDb. Huh. Kind of all over the place. The budget, not available. No.

Couldn't tell you. But so far it's made $4 million, and I think it was probably a pretty low budget, so I think they've probably made money back already. Good for them. But again, can't say for sure. And not a lot of trivia for this other than they shot the movie in ontario

and they shot about 70 of it in one location and then decided it wasn't having the look that they were going for and so they scrapped all of it and like started over in another part of Ontario. And also in that first shoot, the actor that played the main bad guy, the slasher, the killer, we had some medical issue and had to drop out. And so they recast him as well.

Oh my God. So, so that budget might actually be kind of higher yeah more than they probably initially had planned yeah but it's still a pretty tight like i'd say you know there's not a lot of actors in it i feel like the location is mostly just the woods probably most that money went into like well reshoots and um the special effects and prosthetics and all of that stuff chris nash has a background in special effects and and prosthetics and has worked in that in the past and i feel like that's probably why some of these kills are so gruesome in unexpected ways i feel like i listened to a different interview where you talked about

how you get bored doing the same things all the time of like another throat slit it's like nah let's switch in there done let's switch it up let Let's try something different. So I'm excited to tell you guys about what he came up with. That is fun to approach it from the perspective of creating the gore. Practically, what can we do? Because it's like a well-executed, surprising throat slit. That's a great death. But if you're thinking about it from like, but I've i've done

that before from like a creation perspective is that is cool it is cool to just yeah probably want to challenge yourself and yeah so all righty shall we i'm ready we shall i think actually let's watch this trailer first oh boy great i can't wait to be soothed. And yeah, keep an eye out for how calm and relaxed you feel. No. What the fuck? Hmph. Ah!

Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Animals don't get too hung up on reason. They just keep killing. No. Yeah. yeah i mean that's a good trailer the squelching the squelching yeah i don't i don't like that sound but the nature sounds i was like that's nice it's nice it's nice but also i'm realizing that one of the things i hate most about horror movies is the sound design.

And for that to be like amped all the way up where it's like really focused on like hearing. It's almost all there is because there's almost no score. It's just sound design. And so you're really forced to hear everything. I don't like that. I don't want to hear a thing. I'd rather watch than hear. Like hearing is like scarier.

Yeah. I agree, which is why I plug my ears when I'm scared. But I didn't plug. I think I might need to start doing that because I tend to close my eyes and it is. It's worse. Sometimes that's really not helpful. Yeah. It's really because then your imagination is hearing the sounds and doing terrible things in your brain. And you're like, you know, you take away one sense and you heighten the others. Right. Like I can't like I during my second viewing of challengers, I close my eyes in anticipation of a certain moment. And I got to say hearing it was really. of a certain moment and I gotta say hearing it was really hot

yeah so yeah yeah I get it fuck yeah yeah should we talk about challengers instead it's kind of been a while let's do that let's talk about challengers I would love to challengers challengers

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decades i think and there is a necklace hanging on one of the like sticks that's jutting out of the ground and you just hear these people's voices as they're discovering this and they're you know friends probably in their 20s getting like, oh, what do you think this is? What do you think this necklace was? This is so creepy. And you see that they take the necklace and walk off. And then from the depths of the earth, we hear some rumbling right below where the necklace was. We're now looking down at the earth as a hand kind of punches up through the dirt and starts climbing out of the ground. Wait, what?

So the killer is like supernatural? Yes, he's supernatural. I was not expecting that. They have awoken him. Oh, okay. i thought he was just a scary dude man all you had to do was just just leave that freaking necklace why do you have to take it you need to stop taking stuff we need to stop taking books we need to start finding books and reading out loud books don't read books don't take jewelry off of places don't take little weird sculptures of anything don't

take just leave it just don't touch anything if you see a plaque in a basement don't read it out loud don't read it if it's in latin don't read it don't it tells you to like knock on something don't knock on it don't knock on anything it tells you to say a thing a couple times don't say that thing these are simple rules we can all live by this is the platform I'm running on I run for president really basic stuff

we need someone in charge like you Henley to tell us all not to read things in the basement and the trudging begins our killer his name is johnny trudges through these woods like nobody's business yeah he's a slow mover basically the whole movie he's not moving fast he's moving slow i'm into it like a very typical slasher thing, he's completely unafraid of being noticed. He's very unhurried.

He's just doing what he's setting out to do and he is steadfast in his goals. He loves his job. He loves his job. Honestly, let's be inspired by Johnny. Yeah. Loves the process. Slow and steady, baby.

You got to love the journey. And we're hearing leaves crunching with every step. I'm actually editing something right now about runners and I'm having to sound design running and it's so hard and tedious because you have to just put a sound in for every single step and so yeah i was really thinking about the sound designer of this movie like they really had to get in there can you just take this sound can you just make it sound like your runners are crunching on leaves

every single time that's the thing is it's like crunching it's like weirdly very obvious when it's not the right step sound because my runners are running on a track. So no, I couldn't because there's no leaves. Yeah. And you would notice it's it really is jarring when the sound is off. And so props to this. It's like hardly a sound when those steps go down there. It's I mean, down there on the track.

Yeah. And I mean, some of the time you can use the audio that was captured while filming, but a lot of times there's like the director's giving direction or maybe it doesn't pick up all the way. So sound designing is no joke, you guys. It is a really, really intricate job. Yeah. And I want to know all the tricks. I just saw one trick, which is that to replicate pouring down rain, they will fry chicken and just you get the sound of frying. I like stuff like that. Yeah. Foley artists, it's like it is a really cool thing because it's so often not the actual sound.

Yeah. I love it. And that is really cool. I want that to be my job, except I'd be so bad at it. But I just want to know more about it. It would be cool. It'd be cool. So he's stomping around, going through the woods, and we hear some voices in the distance

as he comes upon this little ranch house where a park ranger is scolding this man for having traps out, some sort of illegal bear trap type of thing that has killed a fox in the woods. And he's saying, you know, you can't have these traps out. This guy's very like, I'll do whatever I want, but they're getting in a fight and the way this is filmed johnny is just walking completely in their line of sight towards them but they're so focused on each other that they don't see him but again that like complete lack of fear on johnny's end is like what makes these villains in slasher so scary scary is the thought of someone that is like completely not scared in the situation that is very scary for you and johnny looks like dirty and nasty he came out of

the ground dirty and nasty yeah he's got like cuts on his head he looks like undead he looks like he's been buried underground for a while okay his head is like kind of peeling off in places face or do we only ever see behind him we do eventually but not yet so so far we're just seeing from behind him and yeah the back of his head is all cut up and he's wearing dirty rag clothes and he's big a big guy and he is stomping towards these guys that aren't noticing him and it does that thing where like one of the guys goes to the barn as the ranger drives away and johnny just like never breaking his pace just like walks right into the guy's house without anybody seeing him just like happens

that everyone moves in a way that he's never spotted by them but now he's inside the house and he sees a necklace hanging on a little whatever jewelry stand somewhere in the house. And he's like, great, my necklace. We are seeing that obviously he wants his necklace back. There's even a little vision where we see him remembering presumably his father giving him the necklace as something to remember his mother by. So there's some emotional connection to this necklace. We don't get the full story really, but we're just learning that Johnny wants this necklace back.

It's important to him. Okay, sure. And the guy comes back in the house sees him freaks out obviously he has a shotgun johnny just walks towards him grabs the shotgun out of his hand and then i i think it cuts away so we don't see what happens we hear ashot going off. But then the guy runs out of the house. And Johnny just follows him at his regular clip. And the man falls into one of his bear traps. Oh, one of his own bear traps.

Yeah. That he has set. That's unfortunate. Seems pretty dumb. You put it there. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, he's panicked.'s unfortunate. Seems pretty dumb. You put it there. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, he's panicked,

so he wasn't thinking straight. And he's going to pay the price. Oh, Jesus. And we see Johnny approaching as this man is screaming in pain. He's wearing a hat that says, Number one, motherfucker. This is like a bear trap that, like, it's like an iron thing that like closes on

your leg or something is that how it works yeah usually yeah it gets you on the ankle looks pretty bad and we see johnny's hand which is like i want to say skinless like it looks like just bloody muscle but kind of smooth. Ew. But it's gross. And he's so slowly reaching for this man's face. And then it just match cuts to him back in the house reaching for the necklace. So we didn't see him kill that man, but the implication is there.

Yeah. And picks up the necklace and this necklace has a pendant on it that says number one motherfucker. This is not the necklace that was in the woods. Oh, he's still missing his necklace. Dang it to heck. Dang, dang it to heck.

So we gotta keep searching these woods but don't worry, that's what johnny is best at and so he sets back out and as he's walking around we see the group of people from earlier we think that do have the necklace from the opening scene they're people probably in their 20s or so there's seven of them i, I think, three women, four men. They're very annoying, typical slasher victims where you immediately want them all to die. The dialogue is very, very bad, intentionally so, but still just like so annoying. These people are very obnoxious and you're just like, can't wait till they shut the fuck up by any means necessary and johnny arrives in the in the shadows it's nighttime now as they're

around the fireplace telling ghost stories and he's just watching them and he sees one of them looking at the necklace, putting it in his pocket. And one of the guys, I think his name is Aaron, says, oh, you haven't heard about the murders that happened around here seven years ago or whatever? So we have our little story time. Everybody lean in close and i'll tell you the the horrors that these woods hold and he tells the story of a boy named johnny who

his father was the fire marshal i believe and it was after some new ordinance was put into effect that the people in town were unhappy about. Like you couldn't hunt in certain areas or something like that. I don't know. And it's not super important. But basically, everyone's mad at this fire marshal. And so these townspeople get the idea to trick Johnny, who I think is a child. What? idea to trick johnny who i think is a child what and with maybe learning disabilities it's it's

loosely referred to but uh you know whatever and so they tell johnny that they have a toy for him i believe it's a fire truck and're going to give it to him at the top of this fire tower. Oh my God. But their real plan is they're going to jump out and scare him. And it's going to be a hilarious prank on a child by adult men. And of course, when it happens and Johnny climbs up to the top of this fire tower and they jump out and scare him, he falls to his death, breaks his neck. Oops. Have prank gone wrong. Who could have seen it coming? It's never happened before. So and they all to cover their tracks act like it was they weren't there and he must have just climbed up there by himself to play with his fire truck.

And then he fell in and died and it wasn't their fault so don't be mad at them. And the friends around the fireplace are a little confused by the story as we all are. And they're saying, wait, so is the killer that's sold in the woods, is it Johnny or is it his dad that's so angry and aaron says maybe it's both so that's kind of all the explanation we get okay kind of all the

explanation we need who cares you know yeah we don't need it we don't need any more than that we didn't even need that but okay and they are all feeling pretty tired getting ready for bed they take a group photo before bed and we see that johnny is in the background of the photo oh i hate that i like that oh i hate it but they're not like taking a close look at it yet but it's kind of fun that he's just standing there not trying he's not not hiding trying to get out of the picture. Gives him bunny ears. And so they take their picture and then they say, okay, good night. And they have a cabin that they're all staying in. And Aaron, who was telling this story, is outside.

One of the girls is making fun of him like oh are you trying to find those girls from the gas station that we saw earlier again none of this dialogue matters it's all it's all silly and just to like make us annoyed by them and want them to die exactly and so aaron goes off solo and johnny follows oh boy. And he goes by a kind of woodshed, toolshed place. I know this shouldn't be, but right now the combo of like this, your background,

I'm like, I should go to the woods. No. I'm all of a sudden feeling like I need to get out of nature. Hmm. We'll see if I feel that way in an hour. I was weirdly thinking about Antichrist a lot in this movie because we haven't covered it yet.

We will. But that movie is kind of about the violence of nature. But also, wouldn't it be nice to hang out by a creek? Yeah. You know that I every time I go camping, I'm certain I'm going to die. I just know I don't want to camp that. I did not say I wanted to camp. No, no, no, no, no.

OK. I said hang out by a creek and then go home to an inside bed. OK. All right. Yeah, I can get behind that. I support that. I support that. I've been telling a lot of stories about him going to a creek and sitting next to a creek and there being a waterfall there.

That sounds so nice. It would be so disappointing. And then when does the fire truck come? I was going to say it's so disappointing for him to hear this podcast. Do you have any idea what I'm doing in my spare time? Yeah, don't bring any of this home with you henley i will not i will not leave it all on the pod so we get our first kill oh no excuse me this is our second kill where but our first one that we get to really see which is aaron is leaning against a tree and Johnny from the tool shed grabs like a hacksaw.

Oh boy. And just, he's standing behind him. He brings the saw into Aaron's mouth and saws him through the top of the head, jaw, through the jaw. Top of the head comes off. Bottom of the jaw stays on the bottom of the body. Top of the head comes off. Bottom of the jaw stays on the bottom of the body.

And then he picks up both parts of Aaron and drags him to the ranger station, smashes the window. Nobody's there. It's the middle of the night. And drags him inside. We're like, okay, I guess this is part of his vengeful spirit thing because his dad was the ranger and maybe he's mad at the rangers. Don't think too hard about it.

Maybe he is the ranger because he is maybe his dad. Yep, yep. Maybe they're both named Johnny. Maybe. Sure. And so he throws Aaron's body in here and goes over to this case that's kind of showing the history of the Rangers in

the area and has this very antique looking fire mask that Johnny grabs, puts that on. That's his creepy mask. He's like, wait, this is cute. You have a cute mask in here and no one told him. Wait,

would this look good on me? I think this would look pretty good. Am I pulling this off? Okay. And he also grabs some drag hooks, which are basically, I guess, like two big metal hooks connected by a chain.

Probably something to do with logging that you would connect to a tree to pull it down or something. I don't know. But it looks like a pretty good weapon. Like animals or something? Dead don't know. It looks like a pretty good weapon. Lives? Animals or something? Dead animals? Maybe.

Someone's going to get hooked. Someone's going to get hooked. Someone's definitely going to get hooked. That's for sure. The only thing I've got to say so far is I'm enjoying the lack of torture. True. That was a quick little hacksaw death. Yeah, just get them right in the head. I was thinking that as well. That's not a bad way to go. You're surprised. I mean, it is that's not a bad way to go you're surprised you don't even you don't even it is a bad way to go you don't even

know what's happening you don't even know what's happening your head's off before you even know i would i would rather go that way because it is a complete surprise he doesn't like feel fear leading up to it it's just like it's happening and then it's over that's true that's true and he probably honestly doesn't feel a ton of pain. Probably not. No, I don't think so. Because it's too quick. I mean, he definitely feels some pain. Definitely some.

Definitely some. Just a little bit. Which is more than I ever want to feel. But it does seem very quick. And I would prefer any death where I'm not like. Scared first. Aware of the fact that I'm about to die for like a lot of time leading up to it. Yeah.

No, that's the worst. So he grabs his drag hooks, he grabs an axe, and then heads back out to those woods. More squelching. More squelching. Stomping, clomping. Stomping and clomping.

And it is the next day now. Beautiful day. The cinematography in this, all very beautiful. Although the forest is filled with ferns and we're hearing insects, birds chirping, leaves crunching. You really could be lulled to a right sleep. It's so peaceful. You've got a little fever coming on. You can basically feel the cool breeze.

So dark in that corner of the movie theater. And he turns a corner to a lake and we see on a dock on the lake, two of the girls that were around the fireplace the night before. And they are kind of flirting with each other in a way that's like one of them's gay and one of them's like pretending she's not gay but also like really like okay well if you're if you're flirting with me then i guess i'll i'll it's it's really weird i don't know how to describe it but she's's just like, they're flirting in a way that is annoying and makes you want to kill them.

Yes. It's like, well, these people deserve to die. Flirting in like a way that should lead to their death. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And fuck or die.

Okay. One or the other. One of them wants to go swimming in the lake and the other one wants to do yoga. Classic opposite. Well, I'm either going to swim or I'm going to do yoga. And so the one that wants to swim jumps in the lake and the other one's like, oh, my God. Well, I'm still going to go do my yoga.

But how about when you finish your swim, you come and stretch me out a little more. So they part ways as she takes her yoga mat to like a lookout point somewhere. And we see this girl swimming alone. And Johnny like puts his axe into a little tree stump as he just walks into the water. Oh, wow. Disappears underwater. This is a wide shot where we're just seeing her kind of swimming on the other side of the lake as he disappears underwater. That is scary.

That's scary. That's scary. Like a freaking crocodile. And they slip under. That's when you got to be really scared. Yep. And then we go to her side of the lake and see her kind of floating on her back, doing some backstroke. Which, by the way, we had some listeners write in after our night swim episode that freestyle does mean do whatever you want.

It does. But it just so happens that that is the fastest one. So that's what everybody ends up doing. But technically, if you wanted to do something else, you could. You could do whatever the hell you wanted. You could do whatever the hell you want. But front crawl is the fastest.

Front crawl, okay. Which is a strange name for the fastest swim. Great point. Crawl really doesn't illuminate what actually happens. Yeah, front fly. Front zoom. Front fasty fast. Front zoom. Zoomies. Front zoomies. Zoomies. Zoomy swim. So technically you can do any kind of swim. So if

somebody wants to come up with an even faster swim, call it something better like zoomy swim. You can do it in the freestyle. What if there's a faster swim out there just waiting to be discovered? No one's done it yet. Joel and I talked about this a lot. We we talked about this on i think we talked about it on a couple or maybe we just talked about in our lives honestly i cannot separate the two but truly like imagine invent like someone could still like change the game of swimming it does seem like invent a new swim there's really only those four styles like surely there's got to be something else there's got to be somewhere missing a game of like baseball which again they did fuck with baseball recently but it's like these are the rules is how you play the game it's like swimming is just get from one point of the

pool to the other point of the pool as fast as possible so somebody could be like actually i figured out a way to do it that nobody's ever seen before what would that even look like something involving the legs no yeah our brains cannot't know yet. Our brains cannot conceptualize what this new swimming style is. You would think it would be something involving the legs, but butterfly style is so fast because you have to, you like fling yourself forward. And butterfly is crazy. Like someone came up with butterfly before whatever this next one is going to be. Someone came up with butterfly in like, I i think it was again i like did this research i think it was like the 60s they like came up with it everyone thought that it was at the

university of iowa and they came up with it and everyone was like that's crazy no one's gonna do this swim but then it became an official swim because it's like really hard because you have to really have like crazy strength it is really hard up out of the water i did it one time is that the one that michael phelps did so good probably probably he's good at all of them he's like well i know that yeah god he is good at all the swims it's so funny also maybe it's like a different body type that we haven't because all swimmers are like has tiny little legs and then like huge arms i do remember that one year at the olympics where they were using like a different material for the swimsuits

and that was what was making a big difference. Don't you remember? Like all the records were like being broken left and right and it was really crazy and it was because of these like swimsuit material that they were using that lowered the drag. On the swim team before the night before, everyone would shave their whole bodies.

Yeah. Yeah. You don't want any little hairs slowing you down. Imagine being able to swim so fast that the hairs on your body would make a difference. Honestly, insane. There's no way the hairs are affecting my speed of swimming. I have to remove every hair from my body so I can swim as fast as possible. Really crazy.

Being on the swim team sounds fucked up. You like miss one patch by accident and you fuck up all your records and you get up and you're like, there goes three seconds. You gave someone a three second head start. That little patch of hair. Really wild stuff. Swimming is crazy. Shout out to all our swimmers out there crazy shout out to all our swimmers out there shout out to all our swimmers if you can do swim caps for your head hair why can't you could do a

full body swim cap i guess that's kind of what a swimsuit is well i think the swimsuit i think it was like controversial because it was like where do we draw the line cheating interesting yeah but like why wouldn't why couldn't someone come in with a full-on like spider-man suit but of swim material and wouldn't that make them even faster that's probably illegal well it's got to be the right material because you'd think most materials would slow you down because they're wet and added weight right so it's got to really be the right material. But what if it's that one crazy one? That would be really funny if that became the norm. Like

everyone on the swim team is wearing full body Spider-Man suits. I would love to watch it. I would love that. Like all over their hands and their feet. It's like just a tiny slit where your eyes are. But I mean I guess it's like if we're doing that then like let's add some flippers on there and then it's like well then we've gone too far.

It needs to be the body. Where is the line line where's the line we got to draw the line somewhere should we should we should we start a swimming yeah so she swims away right i think we should start a swimming we're just like isn't swimming so weird just sort of our musings on swimming don't know anything about swimming although you did bring up university of iowa earlier which i was impressed by but i did i did do one fact check and i've again lost all the details i only remember that one because that's where joel went to college if you're a new parent a bad day means you either ran out of coffee diapers patients or all of the above. Stocking

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And we don't see much. There's like some, you know, splashes a little bit, but mostly it's just silent and we're hearing peaceful sounds of the lake. Wow. And she'll just come up every once in a while like, ah! Oh, yeah, that's a bad one. And then pulled back under.

And then eventually her lifeless body floats to the top of the lake. And he... It's funny to imagine him standing on the bottom just like pulling her down and she gets wet. And he's like, ah! Come on! He's like reaching for oh i can't reach i can't reach jumping and uh we see johnny get out of the water onto the shore where the dock was so he's now going where the friend is doing her yoga

and she is on at this very picturesque lookout point over a mountain and doing her little sun salutations and her back is to the the path that he's walking down so he hears she hears footsteps and she's like oh my god i knew you were gonna come stretch me out more that's what we said it said just like you promised and eventually turns around and sees a huge man in an antique firefighting mask really not what you want she's like no you're not you're not who i expected really not what she thought to those big drag hooks in his hands and she's trying to run away from him but she's at the edge of this cliff it's like um into a some sort of body of water i can't remember what you call those but it's a simple word i just forget it reverse stream no it's like the man like a dam i guess like a man-made one and she is copping to a rock in a hard place she can't jump off this cliff but she also cannot get hooked get close to this man she doesn't want to get hooked um so she just kind of stands there

in panics which what else would you do and he gets up to her and he just punches through her center with such force that comes through the other side he's still holding the hook in his hand ew he punches with the hook yeah oh that is not a good one that's not that's not a good way to go. It gets worse. It gets worse. Oh, God. And then he, with his other hand, grabs the hook from his hand that's through her body and hooks her through the head, through the top of her head, and then starts pulling his hand back out, holding the chain that's connected to the hook. So we are seeing her neck snap because it's being pulled down by the hook. And he keeps pulling and pulling and pulling until her head comes through the back of her body.

What? And we're seeing her like bloody hair. He's like folding her head in through the hole that he punched through her whoa whoa whoa the dynamics of this yeah this is where you're like okay the yeah chris nash was getting this is new like let's try something a little different here let's switch it up we've never seen a head go through a middle we've never seen a head go through the middle before. Not while it's still attached to the top.

Not the same head to the same middle. Not while attached to the top. Maybe someone else has done someone else's head through someone else's middle. Same head, same middle. Attached to the top. Never been done before. Never seen that before.

Nope. Yikes. So she's dead. So she's dead. So she's dead. She does die. He gets his hook out and he, I think, kicks her into the dam. And then he just stands there for 30 seconds appreciating this gorgeous view, it seems. And it is very beautiful.

Taking a moment to himself. Uh-huh. Wow. it seems and it is very beautiful taking a moment to himself uh-huh wow i think he's also like checking the pockets of each of these people like where's that necklace at but so far coming up empty damn he goes back to where he left his axe and he starts heading back towards the cabin where the remaining friends are we're hearing them starting to panic about their missing friend, Aaron, from the night before. They don't know about the two girls yet because they're just, as far as they know, out doing their yoga.

But they are stressed about Aaron, and they want to go to the park ranger to report him missing. Ha ha. That's going to be a terrible surprise a really terrible surprise two of them get on atv and ride to the park ranger station and then two guys are left behind and for some reason one of them their tensions are high and they're getting in a fight and one of the other guys like wants to leave and the other guy doesn't and so he throws the car keys into the woods right at johnny's feet it just so happens okay and eventually you're gonna need those keys

to get it's a really stupid thing to do but johnny is very interested in these keys because there is a fire truck key chain. Oh. And he sits and leans against a tree. And this is where we get our first look at his face, which is... This is like a Renesmee situation as you have like a baby and adult face at the same time. Yeah. Full CGI. It's not full CGIgi it looks pretty practical

he's got like a hair lip like torn like top of his gums so you can see all of his teeth and his eyes are like milky it's pretty gnarly but it's also you know we're getting some hints of this little like child like like him looking at this little fire truck and we're feeling like, oh man, Johnny, you've really had a rough go of it. They pushed you off that freaking thing or you fell off that thing on accident, but it was their fault.

They were the adults. It was their fault. They needed to come up out of the earth. You got to roam the woods. They stole your mom's necklace, the one thing that matters to you. Oh boy. Poor Johnny, man. Poor Johnny. stole your mom's necklace the one thing that matters to you oh boy poor johnny man poor johnny we're also seeing or hearing rather as he's looking at this keychain we're hearing them

still like fighting with each other and yelling at each other and like what about the photo like i saw someone in the photo and they're like that's nothing like there's nobody there you're being like crazy and so yeah if you can see him you can see him like right i also feel like I saw someone in the photo and they're like, that's nothing. Like, there's nobody there. You're being, like, crazy. And so. Yeah, if you can see him, you can see him. Like, right? I also feel like, you know, what's the harm in exploring that as. Truthful. As a possibility.

Yeah. Yeah. So the people that threw their keys away go back inside, the two guys. And Johnny now crushes the keys so he has this like super strength we see he did punch through the middle of yes exactly so and he can like breathe underground and underwater yeah yeah so we're getting the sense that they have there that um they threw the keys for and he grabs a stick and props it against the horn between the seat and the horn so that it's just a constant horn honking he's trying to get them to come out of the house as he walks around behind the house

this is the one time that there's like a little bit of he's a little bit hurrying here because he's like oh boy oh boy they're gonna come out it's like a little bit faster than normal and he does make a little loop around the cabin so that they come out to the car. And then he meets them back at the car. And we're thinking that these are the ones with the necklace, because I think one of them is the one that we saw at the fireplace with the necklace. But he throws an axe at one of them, I think gets him in the leg. And then the other one, I kind of don't i kind of don't totally remember this scene i was maybe getting a little sweaty and poor sammy but he

definitely gets one of them in the leg and then the other one shoots johnny through like the chest and johnny falls to the ground okay but we're kind of suspecting that this isn't a kill shot ain't gonna do it yeah that perhaps there is no kill shot when it comes to johnny yeah but it does put him down for a minute so they get he scoops up his friend really wishing they didn't throw those fucking car keys now aren't you yeah they're walking through the woods because one of them's leg has been chopped by an axe and they're kind of helping each other as they're stumbling, trying to run away. And eventually Johnny gets up, he grabs his axe and he just throws it, hits one of them in the back of the head, kills him. And the other guy is the one with the broken leg. And so he's like, can't really get away on his own. And Johnny makes it up to them and then grabs this big rock

and just throws it down on this guy's head. And his head basically explodes. It's the force of his throw is so strong that it just pops. pops so now we see the two that took the atv to the ranger station having a fun surprise this is chris and colt chris i feel like even from the first time we see her has like final girl energy you know how even just in the way someone is shot with more attention than others. Maybe she doesn't deserve to be murdered. Yeah, she's the least annoying. She's the one going like, come on you guys, that's not nice.

That's all it takes. That's all we need. That is truly all it takes. So you have like slightly more empathy for her than anybody else. That's all we need. But we see she's wearing the locket, necklace girl chris

the other one wasn't even wearing the locket and she got her head pushed through her middle what's gonna happen to you more pulled through the middle pulled through the middle right right i still can't really get my head wrapped around exactly what that means. We're talking about head wrapped around. I know. Interesting way to put it. Interesting way to put it. Interesting way to put it. And there is a park ranger on duty now. And he's freaking out also because, yes, they've obviously discovered Aaron's dead body. And this park ranger seems to know Johnny's deal. And he sees the necklace and is like, oh my God, you took the necklace.

Now his soul is free to roam. What? Okay. It's a little cheesy. That's pretty funny. Darn it. We really, really should have put a note by the necklace. Don't take, don't take this.

Also, can you get reassigned? Are you continuing to go to a job where you know that it's haunted by the soul of a murderous man who lives underground well you think that necklace is foolproof it's not and also this is you know potentially revenge for this park ranger as well because johnny killed his father in the massacre that happened however long ago i guess i didn't really talk about the massacre but there was a massacre okay okay and so this ranger is really oh my god he's so upset and it's nighttime now johnny's just slowly approaching hearing all of this as he's going like oh my god you you've now you've really done it you darn kids and he says he's gonna keep coming for for it he's never gonna stop like we just have to face face him and guess what here he is here he is but also like

i if i'm them i'm like oh okay um like give you the necklace back here you go yeah nobody really like it that's true she does not even take it off at this point. The second I'm hearing anything about this necklace being in any way involved in anything that's happening, it's coming off. She doesn't take it off. We see Johnny approaching. The ranger shoots him. Once again, he falls to the ground. They say, well, oh, you got him.

Ranger says, no, no. It's only temporary. It does keep him down for a little bit. The ranger. This is so funny. The ranger. This is not his first rodeo. He fucking knows.

He knows all the rules. And he says, we need to get him back to that place that he was buried and put the necklace there and like get him back in there. So he's holding the gun. We need to get him back in that place that he was buried and put the necklace there and like get him back in there. So he's holding the gun. We need to get him back in there. That is so funny. I hope they're paying this ranger like more than normal. This seems like going above and beyond. This is above and beyond.

Yeah, he deserves a raise. He's aiming the gun at Johnny and he tells Colt to tie up his ankles or whatever Colt's like no I'm not gonna do that I'm way too skilled and the ranger says okay then I need you to like hold the gun like keep the gun pointed at him and he's he's like I'm gonna hand you the gun in three two, and of course on one, Johnny's hand shoots up, grabs the gun, basically like bends it in half, throws it away, grabs the ranger as Col Johnny's grip and he stands up and grabs the ranger by the back of his neck and just crushes his spine. Just like closes his hand on his spine. Paralyzing the ranger. But we see that the ranger is still alive. No.

He's blinking and looking around, but unable to move now. Oh, God. And this ranger's already been through it. The fact that he already knows the rules, you felt like there was hope that maybe he could make it through another one. He knows what he needed to do. And he couldn't do it. Wow.

And Johnny now drags the ranger's body into a room with a wood splitter, like a tree trunk splitter type thing. Why is that? Basically like an automated axe that slices down wood chipper in a way. It's not like a wood chipper like Fargo wood chipper.

Yeah, exactly. It splits them in half. And we're thinking could be a pretty good hot dog style kill. But I feel like this movie has been compared a lot with terrifier because of the gore and terrifier has a pretty legendary hot dog style killing it so i can we'll give it that we'll give it i could see why chris nash would maybe not want to do a hot dog style kill just out of not wanting to be compared to that um so i'm i'm anticipating

hot dog style still at this point but what happens and this is all happening in one like squared off shot the camera is not moving camera stationary and we're seeing johnny turn on he first of course does a demonstration of it chopping a log in half. This happens very slowly. And resets it, pulls the axe back up to the top. Ranger can't even react. Like, there's no screaming or anything. He's just completely still.

But we just see him blinking and then johnny walks over grabs the ranger puts just his arm on the what like plate why is he being so mean he hasn't he hasn't played with the other ones why is he playing with a ranger maybe a history yeah this is the one that he has history with but also if he's paralyzed he won't feel these ones oh that's a good point that true i am not sure and um let's hope so let's really hope well there is like phantom limb pain too even when you're paralyzed you like still feel like you feel your limbs so i and i think even if you can't feel it this is still horrifying watching it totally sucks but this still totally sucks you're just like god damn it there's no coming back from this well and you can still bleed out like yeah you're still gonna yeah well i guess tell us what happens what happens next sammy but he puts his arm there and then he slowly walks back over presses the button for the little blade

to come down blade just very slowly slices that arm off jesus fucking christ resets and and positions it so now his neck is in the blade's path which, you know, we're kind of grateful for. It's like, yeah, that's let's get it over with. Yeah, let's just do it. Part of me was like, are we about to do all four arms and legs first? Because it would have been a 30 minute long

scene. So he lines him up, walks back, presses the button. The blade comes down very slowly, decapitates him. And this looked like very real, I think. And all of this, it is a simulated one shot. Like there are edits in here, but it appears as if it's all one take.

And it's a really well crafted scene. Like I was mostly just like, damn, how'd they do this this looks really good wow which is fun and so now the ranger's dead yeah obviously uh johnny sets back out into the woods it It's nighttime again. And he eventually finds Chris and Colt. They're being very loud. And he overhears them making a plan. Colt is saying he's going to distract Johnny while Chris does something. We know that this plan is not going to work, whatever it is, Chris does something. We know that this plan is not going to work, whatever it is, especially because Johnny is hearing all of it. And Colt like jumps behind Johnny and is like, here I am, motherfucker, come and get me. And Johnny just immediately grabs him and like throws him to the ground, punches him. And then with the axe, like, axes him in the face over and over and over.

And I feel like he must have set some sort of record for the most amount of times anyone's ever been axed in the face. It was truly, like, maybe 100 times. Wow. He just keeps going and going. This is where we're really hearing some squelching. This was in the trailer? Yeah.

This was the squelchy moment? Yep. And Chris is witnessing this she's kind of frozen in shock and but johnny seems like very preoccupied with the he's in a he's in a real what do you call flow state flow he's in a flow state yes this is him enjoying the process. Yeah. So he's like kind of not noticing Chris at the moment. So Chris finally takes off that necklace, leaves it on.

There's a gas canister on the ground and she runs into the woods, into the dark, you know, seemingly never ending woods. Don't know where she's going. And this is what I i i always get very scared about it's like obviously you want the opportunity to be able to run away but i think like running in the woods and not knowing where you are is so scary yeah that's so scary that's

so scary because also there are bear traps out there you don't know what the fuck you're gonna step on and at night yeah it's like i told you how when every time i go camping i think i'm gonna die it's like i'm the woods are scary at night they're scary place and the sound design here is really cool she is being followed by the sound of the squelching of the axe to colt's head is like no matter how far away she's she can still hear it like very loud she's like haunted by this sound of colt's head just being absolutely pulverized and eventually she trips and falls and like fucks up her leg a branch i think like goes through her ankle we don't actually see it happen but we just see the aftermath.

And that's also it always that woods fucking gets you like every time the wood gets you. Something happens when you're running through the woods. Yeah. So she's not doing great, but she does eventually find a road and there's a truck coming. She waves the truck down. It's a woman. We're feeling momentarily relieved. Like, thank God a woman would never do anything bad.

But I'm immediately getting stressed again. The woman is, like, too nice to a point where I'm like, well, this is the killer's mom or something. And this actor is Lauren Taylor fromiday the 13th part 2 which i have not seen but a fun little cameo type thing that i thought i would call out people were um into this and chris is like going in and out of consciousness a bit. And she's so scared. And she does a great job, like, seeming just, like, very untrustworthy.

The woman is like, what happened? And she won't even say. She says, like, it was an animal. Like, I got attacked by an animal. And I was feeling, you know, I was like, good for you, because I don't trust this lady either. And the lady tells kind of a haunting story about how her brother was attacked by an animal.

And she says the one line I think that is in the trailer, which is animals don't give much thought as to why they're killing. They just kill. much thought as to why they're killing they just kill i think she talks about um a bear or something that killed other animals or people like just for the sake of killing things because sometimes animals do do that yeah it's not always to eat i'm looking at you orcas no i guess they do eat like sharks livers but they kill sharks and just eat their little livers orcas are scary wow and chris is again like kind of losing consciousness and the woman is saying like i need you to stay with me stay with me like keep talking keep talking and she's not talking and so she's like i gotta stop the car i need to do like a tourniquet situation because I think you're losing too much blood right now.

So she pulls over to the side of the road. I hate this. You know, we're still in the middle of the woods. And that brings Chris back to and she's like, no, no, no. Why are we stopping? Why are we stopping? Why are we stopping? She's like, I need to tie your leg.

And she, you know, grabs a or something and and ties off her leg and there's just this long shot of chris wide-eyed terrified staring into the woods and you're just looking at every corner of the frame seeing if any leaf is moving the wrong way or if there's any sign that's so scary a really long shot and i feel like it was making me think of just like final girls in general they're never like in a great state of mind obviously at the end of a movie like i'm picturing you know end of texas chainsaw massacre just absolutely screaming in the back of the truck bed and you know like oh they made it out but at what cost like yeah but this was the most that i had like felt that like immediate ptsd and fear and just like this girl's never going to be able to relax ever again in her whole life it like i don't know like

really it's a relief because usually the opposite happens usually they immediately put their guard down and then they're killed like or like if that's's the trope that happens over and over and over and over and over again. So it's kind of a relief in a way to see this. Because this is more realistic. It's like, I don't know if he comes back and kills her, but it seems like maybe he won't. And instead, she's just left with that fear,

which is very real and still very present. Yeah. And even though he's a supernatural being, it doesn't feel unrealistic in the way that he like pops up everywhere. Anybody is like, I think they actually are really far away from him at this point. And the movie treats it as such.

And he just wanted his necklace back and he got his necklace back. Right. But if you're this girl, you're like I'm... I don't fucking know. I'm not feeling safe. The woods are not safe. I'm not safe. Yeah. The world is not a safe place. And then we go back to

a shot of the gas canister that she left the necklace on and we see that the necklace is gone and that's the end of the movie wow i loved it i loved it wow yeah i mean i didn't really love it i didn't fully love it but there are definitely like very unexpected things i really like that ending actually i really like that ending yeah yeah i really enjoyed the experience of watching it was

like unlike other because um i wasn't i mean like i said i was calm and relaxed and felt completely at peace totally at peace watching this movie um i knew there wasn't gonna be jump scares i feel like right most of it you're from the killer's pov which feels like the safest place to be and you feel somewhat in control i guess because of that like you're not. Yeah. Waiting to see where is he going to be? Where is he going to come from until that final like scene? Yeah. But for the most part, you're with him the whole time. So there's no he's not sneaking up on you.

Yeah. We're seeing every everywhere he's going. And that took a lot of the scariness out of it for me and made it like a beautiful soundscape. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Horrifying. Still horrifying.

There are some very upsetting things in here. Yeah. But it was just interesting. I never had a viewing experience like that where I was like, yeah, such like opposed things happening where it's like on one hand, I feel like I'm meditating. I'm like in a meditative state.

And on the other hand, I'm seeing someone's head being pulled through their body through their chest with a, with a hook. And you know what? Both things can be true. We can both we can hold both we can hold both sammy amazing job amazing you can do it under any condition what can't she do what can't she do i should have known that she's so sick recapping horror movies is my safe space and i can do it it even when I have crackly ears every time I swallow.

Crackly. Oh, we got to get this girl to bed. I also at one point in the real high point of my fever was also nauseous, and I was trying to take Zofran, which Henley, I know you're familiar. You usually put it in your mouth, and immediately dissolves. It did not dissolve. There was not one ounce of water in my mouth, I guess, like liquid. And I was like having this, like being like, you're like crunch, crunch, crunch. And then it gets stuck in your teeth yeah i feel like i had to bite it and it was really unsettling to be like wow there's not one ounce of moisture in my mouth i can't even the pills are teeny tiny they're so small and anyways so that was bad yeah things

were bad god for zofran though but they're slightly better now and they'll be even better next week and oh yeah baby hell chela wouldn't be held chela without going through hell baby a little bit of hell put the hell in hell chela that's right and now we have an interview for you guys and once again thank you to joel for stepping in while i sweat through my clothes on my couch joel god bless you joel god bless you and thank you to chris nash for taking the time to talk with us yes and it was lovely thank you chris you, Chris. We hope you guys enjoy this interview. All right. So we are joined by the writer-director of In a Violent Nature, Chris Nash. Thank you so much for being here. Not at all. It's a pleasure being here.

We are so excited to talk to you about this film. I'm Henley. I, you know what? I don't like scary movies. I'm terrified of them, but I'm deeply curious, and I am fascinated by the people who make them, especially. So I'm so excited you're here to tell us about making this movie. Okay. All right. I don't know how entertaining this is going to be. But don't bring that away. going to be. Our listeners are obsessed with horror films. And so they are going to love hearing from you. And thank God I am joined by Joel, who has seen the film and also loves horror films. And so he'll be here to actually ask you more specific questions about In a Violent Nature

itself. But to begin with, like, what's your experience with horror? When you were a little kid, like, what was the first movie you saw that made you think like, oh, this is the genre for me? Or maybe put you off from the genre until you like kind of circled back later in life? I think this has been a hard one. This has been like really like digging deep. I've never been to a therapist, but I feel like the more I do these podcasts, the more it's just therapy. But I feel like, yeah, see, I'm even answering it with, I feel like it's not even a definite answer. I think it would probably be Creepshow 2. I believe. Creepshow 2, I have no

idea why, but I remember being on a bus in kindergarten and my brother was one year ahead of me. So he was in senior kindergarten and we were coming home and my brother was just like, I think dad's going to rent Creepshow 2 tonight. And I'm like, all right. Because we had seen it on ad for it on TV. I think we had taped like Troll off of some like late night broadcast when it was that it was airing. And the ad for Creepshow was on it. So I have no idea. I have no idea how a kid in kindergarten becomes aware of Creepshow 2.

But we watched it. And yeah, that one, it just stuck with me. You know, the old Chief Woodenhead segment was really startling. Wait, okay. You called yourself a Luddite earlier. I am a pure Luddite when it comes to horror movies. I know nothing. So tell me about Creepshow. I need to

know everything. Tell me everything. Okay. So Creepshow was a collaborative effort between George Romero and Stephen King to kind of bring to life the flavor of EC Comics in the 80s. And going so far as to almost like recreating EC Comics panels within the film. So the Creepshow was like an anthology of different horror films and segments, all written by

King, I believe, and directed by Romero. But they were all packaged, like bookended in this comic that this kid was reading that his dad, played by tom atkins told him he shouldn't read uh but the sequel is definitely of a different budget uh definitely have a different flavor not as many segments in it but but like i think it does hold like the same esteem as the first one the first one was you know at the time a lot more star-studded

uh you got like leslie nielsen and ted danson that's awesome huge names yeah ed harris was in a segment because he was in night riders that romero did and um but the second the the sequel had some people that are now stars or at least very acclaimed actors. But, um, creep show two was, uh, you know, a little campier,

but I don't know. Some of the segments in it were just stuck with me as a kid. Awesome. So you were obviously like so young when you saw that. So that was probably a very scary experience, but do you feel like in like the spectrum of scary experiences, does that rank really high or was there anything else you saw as a kid or as a teen or even in your adult life that maybe was scarier? Okay. Have either of you ever been in love?

Of course. Yeah. Yes. No. Don't remind us. How dare you you we really are in a therapy session this is what i love about horror movies is that they bring out our real selves yeah honestly like the scariest thing to me when i was a kid was uh when i was uh when i was in like grade one i think was the last year that the public school system in Ontario, Canada, was allowing Bible study in the actual curriculum. And I wasn't like much of a church-going family or anything. They were, you know, letting us watch Creepshow at five years old. But I remember hearing the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt.

And that I think was the most frightening thing ever as a kid. I just couldn't wrap my head around it. I'm like fascinated with body horror. And I feel like that was definitely like the first bit of body horror where I was just like, what do you mean? And they're like, no, she's salt now. Like, is she going to turn back?'re like, no, she's salt now. Like, is she going to turn back? I'm like, no, she's salt.

I just couldn't, I couldn't fathom it. And yeah, it just freaked me out. That was probably, I mean, that was obviously the scariest experience because you're a kid and now you're in fear for your soul. Yeah. you're a kid and now you're in fear for your soul and that's yeah um other movies though uh actually uh the the curse it was an adaptation of uh the color of space hp lovecraft's the color of space was the first one starred will wheaton and um that one scared me a lot as a kid because essentially it's a meteorite crashes down on this farmhouse and

starts poisoning the water supply and kind of making everybody mutate and turn a little crazy and will wheaton's trying to take care of his sister and realizes that the water supply is tainted but it's not even there it's like all over the world. And just the idea of not being able to drink water as a child, just this existential dread. Yeah, just kind of sunk in. It was like, oh, no, that's the real horror. It's not the monsters. It's not anything. It's like, oh, these elements of life that you need are now gone, and you have no way of knowing how to survive without them.

I think about that all the time. no way of knowing how to survive without them. I think about that all the time. As I'm running a bath for my children, I'm like, one day, one day will we have this fresh water? I do not know. I do not know. Okay. So sometimes when people have that deep fear, they run away from horror, but you obviously ran towards it. So what was that feeling in you where you were like, no, towards it. So what was that like feeling in you where you were like, no, I'm gonna make this myself. Like I want to create this myself. Uh, I think it was probably just at a certain point, it just gets fun. Like, you know, you're scared at first and then you kind of get, you enjoy the being scared and then you just devour more and more films and then uh then it's

you know you're not scared at all now it's all just fun and the idea and like being with other friends that maybe aren't as uh calloused as you and you're showing them all these films and they're just getting blown away and freaking out and then that becomes fun just the act of sharing the movies with other people so that was i think, easily the biggest draw to horror. Also, it's just a perfect playground to speak in parables and talk about whatever you want to talk about without getting on a soapbox. That makes sense. Okay, well, Joel, you've seen Chris's movie. I have.

I was way too scared because I read the reviews. I looked at the stills. My God, it looks so scary. So wait, Joel, I need to know, like, how are you doing? Are you okay? I'm good. I had a great time. One of the questions that I have really is about the relationship

that the movie and its perspective has to fear. Like, I'm curious, Chris, by putting us in the perspective of the killer of Johnny, how scary are you trying to make it feel? Because like in watching it, being in the shoes of the killer in some ways makes things less scary, right? Because you're in on it, on his side, seeing it through his eyes. I guess it just makes fear feel very relative. And I wonder if you were

thinking about that at all going into it, or I guess how that perspective will affect the audience's relationship to fear. Yeah, it was, we knew it wasn't going to be scary. Like so, so many factors that go into making something scary just weren't going to be present in this movie, but we did know that we're going to have the ability to create a sense of

dread. Yeah. Yeah. And so we just leaned into that and decided like our movie is going to be dread filled the entire time but no there's nothing that's going to be scary it's going to be a lot of okay wait hold on hold on yeah okay what is the difference between dread and scary like Like, tell me the difference. I think dread is an element of fear, but there's almost an acceptance to it.

Like if you dread doing something, if I dread going to the dentist, I'm still going to the dentist. It's just, I'm not going to enjoy any moment of getting in my car, driving there, waiting in the office, and then finally sitting in that chair. Every step of it, I know it's coming. And I'm just, I can never be at ease. And that's essentially what we were doing. You know what's going to happen. You've seen all these movies before. You know that this guy is going to end up tearing apart all the hapless victims,

but there's nothing you can do to stop it. And being right in the killer's shoes the entire time just, yeah, just creates this sense of being unsettled, but not scared. So I was talking with Sammy, the usual host of the show, and I know that this has kind of come up in other reviews and comments that I've seen about it, that people kind of walk out of the movie feeling very zenned out and very relaxed. And obviously, some of that is a function of some of the sound design elements and the photography that is really beautifully and naturally rendered.

But do you think that that kind of sense of dread and just like acceptance as you're on this conveyor belt of inevitable carnage, do you think that that kind of some of that is having that effect on people like just like being taken along for the ride in this kind of soothing way? I never actually thought about it like that, but I think so. I think there probably is some factor of catharsis going on within the audience of just being lulled into these situations through the sound design and the photography and being forced to just take a backseat the whole time and watch what's happening. Yeah, I think in some way, it does create just this, not a sense of bliss, but a sense of calm, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like sitting in a hot tub a little bit.

But no water is blood or something. Oh my God. That makes it sound enjoyable, Joel. All right. I read the New York Times review and they use so many words that are not normally used in horror movie reviews. So unexpectedly serene, dreamlike meditation. Joel, is this how you felt when you're watching the film?

Yeah. I mean, what was really interesting for me is so like I got to the movie theater and I immediately went to the bar and got myself a double whiskey. Cause I was like, this is going to, cause I'm still a little scared of stuff, but I was like, I gotta like just set myself to be okay. And then midway through,

I was like, I am vibing just like I'm chilled out looking at like the dappled light of leaves in the sun while like somebody is being, having their head hit by an ax like 500 times and i know chris like you've referenced gus van sant movies elephant that kind of reference point and i'm like i'm really curious in those reference points how did you find the process of like bringing this idea like pitching this idea and and yeah either to other filmmakers or producers or talent who were going to be involved how easy was it for you to

communicate what your vision was and i would also be curious how close did you get to executing on that vision do you think um to answer the last part first, I think pretty close. It's hard to imagine the film being any other film at this point, but that's also just a product of working on it for years and realizing like, oh, this is the footage we have. Like this is the movie that we have. But it feels pretty good on my end. But pitching this idea and pitching it to other like creative collaborators was fairly easy

most of the crew came from a film that i was working on as the uh onset prosthetics supervisor called the psycho gore man and psycho gore man was directed by steve kostansky who was our prosthetics lead on this film and we were all just kind of hanging out during the making of that, talking about slasher films and how nothing, like what would be a new take on the slasher. And I had this idea just rumbling around in my brain for a long time. And I was just pitched it as it was. And everybody was very interested. And that kind of, it was more their interest that gave me the confidence

to sit down and throw a pen to paper and get it out there. But as far as even just pitching our financiers and stuff, we literally just pitched it as, what if Gus Van Zandt directed a Friday the 13th sequel? That's such a good pitch. Yeah, and it was as simple as that. They were very intrigued. So they kind of let us just run wild with it. That's rad. Like in the physical production, then what did you like? Well, I guess one really fun question is like, what was your favorite day

during like physical production? This is gonna sound super lame, but it was the last day of shooting. But the last day of shooting was actually, we shot this over like a huge period of time. We started shooting in fall of 2021. We shot for four weeks and we ended up scrapping all of that material. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was a hard choice to make,

but it was essentially like 75, 80% of the film. But things weren't turning out. So we ended up attacking it again in spring of 2022. We did three weeks in May, and then we did two weeks in August. And then we had our last pickup day was in December. pick up day was in December like I think that honestly the last day we shot was like December 21st something like something like that well and that was the best day of shooting it was not not just because like oh thank God we're done but I just felt very like I just felt good about it I just felt like oh I know what I'm doing now I know what what this movie is. I just felt a lot more confident in how I was approaching it. That day was our ranger death day. So that whole sequence, I had quite a while to fix up that body and build that log splitter and get everything ready to go

to have that work out. And yeah, we were just firing on all cylinders that day. It was just everything seemed to gel. It was really nice. That's rad. Now, Henley, how did you react to the keywords, get the body arranged and log splitter? How is that for you in your little imagination to hear?

I felt good about it. I felt like I could protect myself and I was disassociating fully from all of those answers and not thinking, not using my imagination for one moment, for one moment to think about what that could actually mean. Within that scene, Chris, in a lot of ways, that feels like one of the strongest examples of the premise or the conceit, right? It's like a single take, more or less, right? Or it's simulated. Yeah, yeah, the appearance of a single take, yeah.

And really slow, agonizingly slow, very bloody execution, chopping up a body with a log splitter. Yeah, yeah. Oh, go ahead. Oh, we just refer to that as like our water polo scene. Yeah. Because like water polos,

you look at it and everything involved, and it's like, it's just, you feel like that's got to be the hardest game to play ever. But it's pretty boring to watch. It's not a fun watch. But they're probably the hardest working athletes around. It is a fun scene to watch. And I'm wondering, within the kills,

do you have a favorite kill? Obviously, everybody's talking about the yoga kill, the physics of which I'm curious how you came to conceptualize. But do you have any favorite moments? Does anybody from the cast or the crew have any favorite moments? I can't

speak for anybody else but uh yeah i think my favorite moment was that log splitter scene just because there was a lot of moving parts for that one and uh you know it being the last thing we shot and being on set and knowing like oh this is coming together. That was just, it just felt great. And seeing it come together in post, because there was some VFX tweaking that needed to be done to stitch everything together. But yeah, I think that was probably my favorite one, just because of the length of the gag.

It's really bold, the length of that specific one. And what's really cool about it, where it sits in the movie, is we're already bought in by the time we get to that scene it's like pretty late in the film but even within that context it's like still very surprising just how sort of the audacity

of how patient that scene is which feels like a really climactic delivery of what of ultimately what we were already bought in for. So I really appreciated that scene for that reason. Thank you. I have one question, which is that Sammy mentioned that there's very

little score in the film. And it relies mostly on like, you know, diegetic like what's happening actually in the film. Was that a big conversation you had or how did you come to the idea of like not having a lot of music having it mostly be like the sounds of the killings that are happening yeah we that was that was part of our thesis statement going into

it we didn't want any actual traditional score we were going to allow for some like diegetic music playing in um like there's a campfire scene like the traditional slasher campfire scene where all our cast of victims are around a campfire hearing the story of of our slasher and there's some music playing in the background but that's as if it's coming from like a bluetooth speaker sitting on a porch like it. It's pretty far buried. There's another element at the very end where characters are driving in a truck and there's some music on the radio. But we didn't want to have a score that led an audience to feeling

anything specific. A score is a really easy shortcut to bringing the audience to any kind of specific emotion that you want to bring them to. And we wanted to be very, very objective with this, especially with the kills, not giving any, not creating any tension,

not creating, like, I guess not creating any false tension, not creating any sense of suspense or anything like that. We just wanted to have everything to be shot objectively and played out objectively and kind of have it as a blank canvas for the audience to project whatever they want onto it.

And it forces them to be a little more complicit in it too, in a strange way. Like you're going along with them. You're like, okay, well, yeah, I'll kill these people too. Yeah. Fuck these teens. Fuck these teens.

Sexy teens. Fuck them. Joel, did you feel that way when you're watching it? Um, I did. I mean, it's really fun because it's,

you're really playing inside of tropes and like the, the sorts of teens that we might expect in a slasher movie, but serving them up to us i it it's it's giving everybody sort of exactly what they're actually coming to a slasher movie like this to watch but maybe story and score gives them a false sense of um washing their hands of their own complicity yeah so i think it's a really, I wanted them all dead. I mean, that's what I came there to see, you know?

Me too. I want them all dead too. You want to hear all about it in secondhand. Yeah. I don't want to see it, but I want to hear about it so badly. I have one more question, Chris,

which is if Johnny were wearing a Fitbit, how many steps would it say he took? It's, I mean, he got them in. We'll just say that. 10,000, baby. Johnny is hitting his marks. Yeah, he's feeling good. He's feeling accomplished at the end of the day.

He's wearing his Skechers steppers. He's lifting that booty. Yeah, he's completely unashamed of it. He's got his orthotics in. He's feeling good about it. Yeah. Chris, thank you so much for taking the time. We really appreciate it.

We can't wait to have you on again next time you make a horror movie. Absolutely. Yeah. Appreciate the time you took to chat with us. Thank you. Not a problem at all. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate the questions.

Thank you. Thanks. There you have it. That's our interview with writer-director of In a Violent Nature, Chris Nash. What a guy. What a movie. What a guy. I really did like this interview. I thought it was

a great interview. You and Joel did a great job, Henley. Yeah, thank you both for doing that, for stepping in. It was fun. Doing what needed to be done. It was super fun. It was super fun, especially because I didn't have to see the movie and I still got to talk to the director. I didn't have to see the movie and I still got to talk to the director best of both worlds in my book what a dream what a dream

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