Too Scary; Didn't Watch - INSIDIOUS

Episode Date: April 29, 2020

Haunted children, fistfights with demons, and copious amounts of eye cream - we're talking James Wan's 2011 film Insidious. Join us as we venture into the further and learn an important lesson - don't dream too hard, folks! Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily. I am too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily. I am too scared to watch scary movies. Other than that, feeling really good. Other than that, not scared at all.

Not scared of a thing. Never been better. I'm Henley. I'm also not scared of a goddamn fucking movie. Just kidding. I'm really scared of scary movies and also just most other things. Most things in general. I'm Sammy and I like scary movies and I'm scared of everything else.

Mm hmm. Yay. How was everyone's week? I'm on. I've officially completed. I think I've completed week six quarantine. Wow. Very exciting stuff. Really exciting.

I guess I guess to answer your question, I'm really excited. That's yeah. It's been a really exciting week. Oh, so much has happened. Oh, my God. I couldn't even begin to tell you. I mean, I mean, I'm currently in a different room than I'm normally in when we record.

Whoa. Hot shot. Can you believe it? Can you believe it? Because I'm hot. Because it's hot in my apartment. Oh, my God. It's very hot.

And I wanted to sit on a chair and not a couch because I thought that that was a cooler choice. Really switching it up. I don't know why. I guess because there's more room for air to get to me because the surface I'm sitting on is smaller it's more air flow for sure more air flow on a chair for sure that makes sense

so that's the big news over here did everyone have anything I feel like we should rename the segment to and that's what's up and that's what's up. Hey guys, what's up

this week? I guess that's the normal thing to ask. What was up? A thing that happened to me and there were just a few is that I got a surprise $ 70 check in the mail from a settlement from honda because i was apparently driving with a lethal airbag for about four years that was like

wow really glad we didn't almost kill you Here's $70 Jesus Yeah, so if anyone was worried about My extravagant wine Purchase last week, it has been Cancelled out, which is very exciting I was worried Hell yeah You got about $17 per year

That you almost died And honestly I'm thankful yeah hey you survived and got uh some wine paid for yeah what happens a helpful honda dealer excuse me i have a question um what happened with your nuclear reactor bill oh it, it's still What did happen? It's still up in the air. It's pending? Yeah. Just as a quick reminder for everyone, Sammy got a bill in the mail

for $16,000 for a nuclear reactor. It wasn't a bill, it was that I owed tax on the nuclear reactor, saying that I was gifted a nuclear reactor. Oh, you were gifted! That was the part I don't think I knew. It was a gift of a nuclear reactor. Well, you were gifted. That was the part I don't think I knew. It was a gift of a nuclear reactor.

Well, you know, there's a new piece to the puzzle every day. I'm slowly putting it together myself. Speaking of puzzles, this is very, very tangentially related. It's actually not related at all, but let's use it as a transition. Is it not a puzzle? No, not a puzzle. So really this non-sacrificer you wanted was speaking. I just wanted to give a little update on a thing that happened to me this week,

which was I spent approximately 85 minutes cutting a butternut squash. Oh, you texted the group about it. And the deal with that is that it's very large. No, it's really hard. It was. It's puzzle like in a way, because there's so many different factors and different steps to to properly cutting a butternut squash. But one of the main problems is that you have to peel it and it takes fucking forever to peel it. I have done it as well.

And it's a nightmare. And I really sympathize. You don't have a choice. There's no turning back. There's no turning back unless you just throw it out. Yeah. I think it took me truly a full hour and a half to cut. Was it good when you finally ate it?

I mean, then I made butternut squash soup and it was delicious. But it honestly took me like five hours to make. Do you think you'll ever make it again? It was like it was like three meals. No. Yes, I do think I'll make it again. All right. As much as I'm complaining about it, there's something deeply soothing.

And one might say puzzle like about cutting a butternut squash and yeah like what else are you doing right now yeah I was mad the other day when I had leftovers to eat because I didn't get to factor in the time spent preparing a meal right into my day it's like well there goes it's like

the opposite of well there goes that time yeah yeah here is this time extra time here i have now more of it wish i had a fucking butternut squash get me through the next hour and a half um well we're uh seem to be regularly unsure of what to do with ourselves but we have something to do we have one thing to do one thing to do so should we we should do with the thing that we're here to do uh well first i'll say that henley last week thought that she would watch this movie with me really confident she was so confident

and guess what she chickened out so quickly and and the way you chickened out she was like i'm not watching that movie like as if no like you had never said yeah you really back when you insisted you were going to watch it i thought that you guys knew that i was joking that whole time henley you were not joking you watched you watched blair witch look at this gas lighting that is happening right now i don't know you guys might be gaslighting that is happening right now. I don't know. You guys might be gaslighting me. We all know I'm too scared of everything. Come on.

You watched Blair Witch. No, no, you're right. I just was like, there was no way I was actually going to watch it when the time came. I'm so sorry, Sammy. Thank you for your apology. You know what? I should have. That's okay.

I should have. It's okay. Then I should have. That's okay. I should have. It's okay. Then I didn't. It's okay. I think it's okay. I was never, I was never even going to try. So. Oh, I forgot to introduce the movie.

That's important. Oh, yeah. Have we even said the name of the movie this whole time? Not a single time. I will say, if you're listening to this episode, you should know what movie it is because it is the title of the episode. It will be in the title. So you'll have a good episode, you should know what movie it is because it is the title. It will be in the title. So you'll have a good clue.

You should know. But just in case. Because that's also a thing that we have to do. Let me tell you. It is Insidious. It came out in 2011. It is directed by James Wan, written by Leigh Whannell, starring Rose Byrne, Patrick Wilson, 1L starring Rose Byrne,

Patrick Wilson, Ty Simpkins, Lynn Shea, and Barbara Hershey. Produced by Jason Blum of Blumhouse, big name in horror, and Oren Peli, director of Paranormal Activity. James Wan directed Conjuring.

Conjuring, that's what I meant. Which also has Patrick Wilson in it. Yeah, they must like each other. He loves Patrick Wilson. He also directed Saw. Eww. Eww. Freaky. Sammy, obviously you're going to tell us

more about this, but you came away feeling not that scared, I feel like. I feel like a shame because the word insidiousious it feels like it should be the scariest movie well here's the thing that's ever been made yes ever um as the listeners will know demons are are high on my list of scariest things they tend to be the scariest things for me and the conjuring is i think probably that and poltergeist are probably

my scariest movies of all time um and so yeah i went into this really really braced for it being terrifying and i will say that i think the first half is very scary and then it gets sillier than i anticipated. And so like, is it intentionally silly? Um, not, not in like a, not in like an evil dead way,

but it's just, um, it just gets really crazy that it becomes more fun. It's not like stupid or anything, but it just is less scary. I think I bet I'll disagree. I had fun. I liked it more than i

thought i would well the key to happiness is low expectations so you went in yeah with a good attitude are you listening everyone the the single key to happiness is low expectations so you're welcome just a bit of life advice. That one's for free. That one's for free. We'll charge for the next one. Hi, everybody. It is cocktail hour.

And this week's cocktail is a dream cocktail. Don't worry. This isn't one of those movies where in the end it was all a dream, but there are some dream elements involved. To make this drink, you'll need one and a half ounces of cognac, three quarters an ounce of triple sec, a sixth an ounce of Anisette liqueur, and a half an ounce of chilled water. You will shake all ingredients with ice and fine strain into a chilled martini glass and garnish with an orange zest twist. Cheers. Um, okay. Let's do some trivia.

Oh, let's do some trivia. Um, we got a casting what if. Love it. The role of Josh, played by Patrick Wilson, was offered to Ethan Hawke and he turned it down. Um, but he went on to star in Sinister. Patrick Wilson was offered to Ethan Hawke and he turned it down. But he went on to star in Sinister, which apparently there was talks of there being a crossover of the two films called, wait for it. In Sinistious. In Sinister.

No, for real? Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah. What? That's bad. I think Sin City is cooler. Have you ever seen Sinister? Sin City is cooler.

I have not. We'll have to add it to the list. I've never even heard of it. It looks spooky, but apparently they're kind of similar in that they're all like they're both like a family unit being tested by the supernatural. And obviously Ethan Hawke went on to play the father of that family instead of the father of this family. Wow. Guess how many violins were used for the theme music? Thirty three.

Thirty three violins? Sammy, you just guessed that, right? You just knew. She did not look at the IMDb trivia. She was like, that's like, 28, 30. I could hear all 33. 33. 33 violins.

33 distinct violins. 33 violins. Count them. I did. Count them. Can you imagine how annoying that would be? I love to imagine they had like 20. They're like, okay, fine. You want a lot of violins?

Okay, fine. I got you 20. I got you 20. More? 25. Okay. 30 violins? It's time for the trailer? I have more trivia trivia i'm so sorry emily don't jump ahead there's more trivia i'm so sorry there's more trivia related to the violins the composer of this film his name is joseph beshara um he plays the main demon in this film, who is very scary.

That's fun. And he also plays Bathsheba from The Conjuring, who we referred to as Shebeth, you may remember. We did call her Shebeth. He's a triple threat. At least a double threat, yeah. He can play multiple demons and compose the music? Oh, we're counting each demon as one threat. That's the exact definition of triple threat.

Two different demons and then another skill. Okay, not actor and composer. I count three. It's not actor and composer. It's this demon, that demon, and composer. No, it's demon one, demon two, composer. Great. Classic.

You don't want to meet a triple threat. If you meet a triple threat, we've got two demons and you don't want anything. Oh, God. I'm crying. Okay. Should we watch the trailer now? Now we do? Yes. Let's watch the trailer now now we do yes let's watch the trailer he's not in a coma

they don't know what to call it I went into Dalton's room there was something in there with him Dalton I know someone who can help we took dry field and EMF readings of the whole house. Wiring, alarm clocks.

I don't think bad wiring is the problem here. I want to leave. I want to leave this house. What is it? It's not the house that's haunted it's your son i realized i'd never even seen the trailer before i thought that i i thought that i had i thought this is a movie that i was familiar with, but it ends up I'm not. It does fall into the

category of horror movies I don't want to watch as someone who does want to have kids like kind of soon. And the last thing I want to also worry about is demons in my kids. I don't want to worry about that. Yeah. Well, I'm excited. I'm excited. Wait, wait, wait. I think what we should do is we should

have a new segment where we tell Sammy what happens in the movie. Oh, you love doing this. Predicting a prediction. We do a quick summary. We do a quick summary of the movie. So not to put you on the spot, Emily, but I think you should go first. This is your idea, but you're immediately pawning it off onto Emily.

This is your idea, but you're immediately pawning it off onto Emily. This movie is about a couple of parents. Their kid falls off a ladder. So far, so good. Goes into a coma, and when they bring him home

and he comes to, he's different because he is being inhabited by many demons a triple threat of demons and they have to get a demonologist to come and expel

what's the word? Exercise? The demon from the boy then they succeed and it's a happy ending. That's what I thought too. The end. Henley what do you think? I think that it's about a young family. They're having marital troubles

and domestic issues to begin with. And then their son who they have been worried about for other reasons falls off a ladder and goes into... The ladder is key. And

they take him to the hospital but uh they don't know the doctors can't tell what's going on he's um unconscious not responding but he's not technically in a coma it's in the trailer um and so so i know it's in the Right from the trailer And you can't fault me for Just quoting the trailer No you gotta use your source material I gotta use my source material But then I close my eyes for the rest of the trailer So I'm really fucking screwed

You're flying blind Fucking screwed So I remember they bring him home the trailer so i'm really oh now you're flying you're flying blind prediction fucking screwed so they bring it well so i remember they bring him home there he's there he's recuperating at home um but he they still don't know why they walk into his room there's some like movement demons We're really getting granular here. One scene at a time. They're scared. They don't know what to do. Their marriage is falling apart. And they're losing their son to demons.

They think it might be the house that they just moved into. They hire a demonologist. No, it's not. It's the son. In the trailer. And then things really accelerate after that. It gets really scary. And there's multiple demons.

They take the sun away almost. They don't take the sun away ultimately. But then the parents die and then the sun is just alive at the end. Oh, the parents die. Interesting. Okay. All right. Some interesting predictions.

I won't say anything. They're just interesting. That's all. You won't say anything for the rest of the podcast i feel like we should have that as a segment but it should be like we try to do it in like two sentences that's fine we're to work we'll workshop it no i like the way that we just did it um okay so sammy tell us everything about this movie i want to know everything about it from A to Z There's a lot to know A lot happens I used to love back-to-school shopping

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So we start in a little boy's bedroom. He's sleeping. Camera's moving real slow. We're pushing into him. Then we slide down the hallway and we see a spooky old lady silhouette out the window. And then we move down to the hallway and it pushes in on this nasty old woman. And she's got like a veil and is holding a candle and just like slow pushes in on her and

then we. She's inside the house? She's like looking in a window. Okay. Then there's like the title is like a jump scare. It comes in with a sharp note of music which I'm guessing 33 violins at one time going. Full frame title.

It's fun. Then there's a title sequence, kind of a long drawn out black and white title sequence. I'd say a lot of this movie is kind of influenced by horror movies of the 70s and 80s. So we start now with Rose Byrne. Her character's name is Renee. And her and Patrick Wilson, his name is Josh. They are a married couple. Starts with them waking up, or her waking up in bed next to him,

going downstairs in her pajamas. And she's starting to unpack boxes they've just moved into a new house that should be on the bingo there's quite a lot of bingo things in this movie so she's going she's unpacking boxes and looking through photo albums um then her son dalton comes downstairs and he says mom Mom, I don't like my room. And she says, oh, well, you know, we just moved in. It'll take some getting used to like it'll be OK. Don't worry.

And then she says, look, I have something to show you, like shows him a photo. And she says, it's me when I was your age. And he's like, oh, it doesn't even look like you. Can I see some photos of dad? And she says, oh, your dad actually wasn't very good at keeping photos. I don't know. We don't really have that many of your dad. And then we cut to dad and everyone else waking up. There's another younger brother named Foster and a little baby sister, like five month old i don't know how old is dalton how old is dalton foster um um i always make you guess the ages of these children i don't know

children i don't know any children in my life give me a range the range will be like eight between seven and sixteen years old i I think Dalton's the oldest. Let me I'm going to call him seven and I'm going to say Foster is five. OK. And there's kind of some morning mayhem going on, making breakfast. And Josh kind of like grabs a piece of toast and he's like, got to go to work. You immediately get the sense that he's bouncing as fast as possible type of thing and she's like you can't take the kids to school today oh henley are you feeling so pleased with

yourself i guessed it i don't know if you guys noticed but i i predicted this. Yes. She did. And so the next scene we see is her kind of trying to compose some music on the piano. While she's playing, she hears a noise and goes upstairs. They're in like a pretty big spooky house. She hears a noise and goes to explore and goes up the staircase. And there's a door that she hasn't opened yet and opens that love that in a house

that you've purchased haven't been in this room I spent two million dollars on this house but I just haven't been in this room yet you must open every door she should have opened that door before but she opens it and guess what? It's a secret attic.

And she walks up and there's a little ladder leaned against the wall to be able to turn the light on. There's a ceiling light that it's high. So she has to climb up this ladder to turn it on. And while she's climbing up, she breaks a rung of the ladder. Like it's a weak little step and she breaks a rung. She doesn't fall or anything, but she gets the light on, looks around. There's some probably a rocking chair or something fucking scary like that in there. She gets spooked, turns the lights off. She goes back, back downstairs. She gets spooked, turns the lights off.

She goes back downstairs. Dad comes home that night after work and they're sitting in the living room. Dalton is in his room playing with his toys and he decides to go explore the attic, climbs up there and he does, it's like this good little scene of him trying to reach the string to turn the light on. He can't reach it. And so he climbs up one rung of the ladder, tries again, can't reach it, climbs up another, can't reach it. And he's going like higher and higher. And we know that one of the rungs is broken. And of course, he gets there and he falls from pretty high for a small child and falls down the ladder, kind of hits his head,

but he's okay. And then he hears a noise from a dark corner of the attic, turns to it. It's kind of a creaky, I don't know. I don't like the noise, a creaky noise and turns to it. And it's got like a push in on him, a push in on the dark corner, back and forth, back and forth. And then we go downstairs to the rest of the family and just hear Dalton start screaming at the top of his lungs. And they all drop everything and run up there. And they're like, oh, my God, you fell. Are you OK? You fell. run up there and they're like oh my god you fell are you okay you fell and he is just like yeah i fell and doesn't mention anything about whatever he saw um so okay so then it's like bedtime they put the kids to bed it was you know a scare it was a scare but he seems okay and so we all go to bed

and one thing that i really like is josh and renee are in the bedroom kind of getting ready for bed and josh is really packing on a lot of eye cream and it's just a detail that really stuck out he's he's like slathering on a really wild amount of eye cream i would say wait so patrick wil Patrick Wilson has a very intense skincare routine, skincare routine at the end of the day, and it's not acknowledged directly. It's just this one moment of him putting on his eye cream. And I really I just enjoyed it. And then they go to bed next morning. Rose Burns downstairs, again, doing all the work work making all the breakfast for the other kids babies crying and josh comes downstairs and she says can you go wake up dalton he hasn't come down

yet he goes upstairs dalton wake up it's time for school and dalton's not responding and he says like dalton come on don't give me says like, Dalton, come on. Don't give me that. Like, I know. Like, I don't want to get up either. Like, sometimes we just got to do it. And then it's like, Dalton, Dalton. He's not responding.

He gets up closer to him and it's like, Dalton, Dalton, Dalton. And then we cut to at the hospital talking with the doctor who says there is no brain trauma the scans are all normal i've never seen anything like this wow and so they're very distressed don't know what's happening and then we get a little title card that says three months later. Whoa. They're moving Dalton home from the hospital. Oh, my God. After three months. That's a long time. And so he is still in a coma.

A nurse is basically teaching Renee how to do the feeding tube and all that not not really fun stuff she is working on her music um so her so she's a composer and her her main instrument is a piano right i think she's just a musician i don't know that she's a composer i guess composer she sings and stuff i thought she was making an album. Oh, okay. I see. So she's working on her music downstairs, playing the piano. She's got her baby monitor next to her and she hears on the

monitor a strange whispering and sounds like a man whispering. No! From upstairs. All the rooms are upstairs and she picks up No! From upstairs. All the rooms are upstairs. And she picks up the baby monitor and holds it to her ear and is trying to make out

what they're saying. Oh my god, Jenna's shadow just scared the shit out of me. I saw the shadow before I saw Jenna. I was like, ah! Scary. She's holding the baby monitor close to her ear and it's like she can't quite hear and she's looking up at the second floor kind of seeing and then all all of a sudden it's a voice a man's voice yells or says give me that i want it now and she drops the baby monitor and

runs upstairs and runs into the baby's bedroom um she's in a little crib there's nobody in there it's daytime um picks the baby up and it's like looking around, checking every corner, checking the closet. Nobody's in there. But she's scared, obviously. She's putting Foster to bed that night. And he says, I'm scared. And she says, what are you scared of? And he says, Dalton.

And she says, why are you scared of Dalton Dalton and he says I don't like when he walks around at night and that was the part that made my like I gave me goosebumps I hated it so much sleepwalking is another thing on Too Scary Didn't Watch Bingo he's in a coma he should not

he should not be walking around at night he should not be walking around at night. He should not be walking around at night. Then we go to that night and Renee says, a scary thing happened to me today. I heard voices on the baby monitor. I could have sworn I heard a man's

voice. I ran upstairs. Nobody was there. Josh, of course, says, it's probably interference. You know, this stuff happens sometimes. Okay. It was interference. Get me over it.

And then as he's like trying to tell her that she's being crazy, there is a loud knock at the front door. This is late at night. And they both get, they both pop up in bed scared. And he's like, stay here. I'll go check it out. He goes downstairs and turns on the porch light,

looks through the little side light window. Nobody there. Opens the door the door flashlights nobody's there closes the door puts the little chain link thing locking dead bolting it we cut back to renee alone in the bed and the baby starts crying and she gets up to go get to go check on the baby walks in the baby's room and there is a man in the corner of the room she starts screaming turns out yelling josh josh there's a man in the room turns back the man is gone goes and grabs the baby josh comes up there and checks every corner nobody's there and she's like i swear there was a man here

there was a man here um but then just as he's in there the house alarm starts going off and he runs back downstairs and the front door is wide open and then he um grabs the like fire poker and walks around the house kind of checking each room and clearing it and there's nobody there again and then he closes the door bolts it again and then we just cut to the next day so they just had a scary night so the next day he is at school and he is a teacher and behind him a little trivia this was written i swear like 30 times in the imdb trivia like every user was like i know a thing um drawn behind him on the chalkboard is the like creepy i guess his name is not jigsaw but the little doll from saw is like drawn on the board behind him little um i guess it's not so much a trivia as it is an easter egg is i think what we would call that i do think that's what we would call that anyways so his students are leaving and it's the end of the day of school

and he calls um renee and says i just found out that i have to stay late to grade tests i'm sorry like i won't be able to make it home um i gotta i gotta grade these tests and on his desk there's no tests it seems oh oh also like remember how last night there was an intruder yeah this might be... In your home with your three children and wife. This might be a time where you want to be there for your family. Yep. But we see he's in a weird headspace and he starts to have kind of visions of a young boy in a bed.

The young boy that we saw at the beginning of the film. And then he comes home at 11 27 we see rose burn check the clock when he comes home and she's mad it's late to be grading tests pretty late and so next day the um home nurse is kind of uh reassuring her saying i've seen you know people in comas wake up you know know, much longer than he's been in a coma. Like, don't give up hope type of thing. Renee is just basically saying, like, I feel like I'm being tested. I don't know what to do. I'm at the end of my rope. And then the nurse leaves. And as Renee is, I think she's changing the sheets or something for Dalton.

And there's a red handprint on the sheets. And she freaks out. And then we cut to Josh coming home later that night. And Renee is pissed. And she's like, you've been coming home late every night this week. You never used to have to do this. Also at this time, she's like, I'm like pretty sure our house is haunted. Like I'm seeing things and I'm scared.

I'm really scared. And you're just gone. Like, where are you? All good questions. Yeah. Fair. Entirely fair. And she says, like, you're just avoiding,

like, you always avoid stressful situations. And he says, I don't avoid stressful situations. I just deal with them in my own way. And she says, well, deal with this then, and throws the red handprint sheets at him. Then we cut to

him sleeping on the couch. Which, like, in a big spooky house what when you're pretty sure it's haunted feel like i wouldn't be mad and be like still sleep in the bed though agreed renee has a nightmare shoots up in bed and then turns and sees there's like a silhouette of a man pacing back and forth outside of her window she is on the second story so it's like on a balcony and she's terrified and he's got big clumpy boots like pacing back and forth and then all of a sudden he's just inside pacing back and forth. Oh my God. And it's like a big tall man with long black hair and he turns to her and lunges at her.

He's she's screaming. We go to downstairs, Josh waking up, running upstairs. He gets upstairs to her. There's nobody in there. And she's like, there was a man in here.

There's a man in here. He's he's attacked me. Like, you got to believe me. You got to believe me. And he's like, there was a man in here. There's a man in here. He's he's attacked me. Like, you got to believe me. You got to believe me. And he's like, I do believe you. And she says, we have to move out. I can't live here. We got to move out.

And he says, OK, we'll move out. We're moving out. And then we cut to their new house. That was fast. Josh's mom is helping renee unpack and stuff and renee is like you must think i'm crazy i like i can't explain the things that have been happening i know this sounds insane and josh's mom her name is lorraine played by barbara hershey she says you don't have to explain anything to me nobody knows what you're going through except for you like don't have to explain anything to me. Nobody knows what you're going through except for you. Like, don't worry about it. Like, you don't have to. Like, she's really nice about it. I know.

It's really sweet. She's like, you don't don't feel like you need to explain yourself to me. And then later that day, Renee is cleaning the apartment and she puts on a record. TSDW bingo. She puts on a record. TSDW bingo. Bingo. So she's cleaning. She's got her record on. She goes to take out the trash and through the window, she hears the record change to a different record. As she's coming back to the house, she looks in through the open window and sees like a 1920s style little boy doing a little dance in front of the record player and runs inside.

He just wanted to hear his favorite song. She runs inside. He's gone. And as she gets the record player, a door slams in the kitchen. She runs in the kitchen. No one's in the kitchen. Door slamming in other rooms. Yeah, that's a good one. And she runs into the hallway and into

I think Foster's room. Why do they keep buying such big houses? Yeah, buy a small apartment. Also, like, on a teacher and musician salary. In what city? In what city? After the 2008 financial crisis, in what city?

Ay, ay, ay. You know, it could add up. I don't know what city it is. That's the only reason this movie's unrealistic. Everything else is true. Otherwise, it reads like a documentary. It reads like a goddamn documentary.

So then she goes into Foster's room. There's a rocking horse rocking. But nobody Ugh, that's in bingo for sure. Nobody in that room goes into Dalton's room. There's a little shelf kind of dresser next to

his bed where there's a curtain and there's two little shoes poking out from under the curtain she grabs a little stick walks up to it pulls back the curtain and it's just all of dalton's shoes and she's like oh phew a few it's just all of Dalton's shoes. And she's like, oh, phew. A phew. It's a phew moment. Immediately counteracted by little 1920s boy jumps from above the dresser on like past her like. But it's just. Does he look creepy or is he like a cute little boy?

He looks a little creepy, but he's being silly. He just like jumps past her like he's not trying to attack her he's just it looks like he's playing hide and seek like he's being silly but obviously he shouldn't be there and she's fucking scared sure is she aware that he's a ghost i think so yeah she starts crying so he runs out of the room and she just like breaks down and starts crying and then we cut to i think later that day josh's mom is still there lorraine and he's like what's going on like why is everybody here what's what's happening and lorraine is like sit down we should talk um i came here because i had a dream last night and she says i had a dream

that i was in this house and i was in dalton's room and something was in there and then as she says that we like see her dream and it's this fucking scary outline of like tall thin man with pointy fingers which was in the trailer just for a second and he's in the corner of dalton's room and she said and i said what do you want and his nasty gross pointy finger points at dalton um and it's like cutting back and forth between her and josh her telling the story of this dream and he's like and and like and what and then um she's like and i just can't get the like look of his face and the sound of his voice out of my head and then it cuts back to josh and the demon guy is right behind josh and it's the i think probably scariest shot of the movie where he basically like hisses he's like right behind josh but only lorraine can see it

and lorraine jumps up freaks out and Josh turns around is like what what what like what's going on he's like oh my god he's here he's here and um right as that happens there's a loud crash in Dalton's room and they all run into Dalton's room and it's like comically

trashed like the sheets are like ripped up there's red hand prints everywhere um and Dalton is on the comically trashed like the sheets are like ripped up there's red handprints everywhere um and dalton is on the floor like all the furniture is like knocked over like it's crazy is this the part of the movie you start to think is yeah ridiculous yeah no i literally my next note is fun and games part okay um so this is when things are like finally crazy enough that they're like, let's call in the demonologists. And these two guys come in who are pretty funny. Some comic relief.

Just because you're a demonologist doesn't mean you can be fun. And boy, are they fun. They're like very competitive and always trying to one up each other, which is a fun dynamic for demonologists to have. Trying to one up each other. Which is a fun dynamic for demonologists to have. And oh sorry. Before this Lorraine Josh's mom said like I know someone we could call. So that's why they're here.

So she said I'll call my friend Elise. These two guys are Elise's like understudies basically. And they're like we come here first to weed out the psychos like the lunatics so we'll just do a preliminary screen to make sure you're not crazy so they come in and they set up a bunch of cameras they've got like these little like um little filters they put on little cameras what are those camera viewfinder you know those little viewfinder things oh yeah yeah and one of them goes into a room and he's looking through the viewfinder changing it from color to color to color and then all of a sudden these two gross little kind of 50s looking twin sisters pop up and he jumps back he's scared and he turns to the other demonologist he's like okay

like they're not crazy we need to get elise in here elise get her in there elise will know what to do so elise shows up and josh opens the door and she's like oh thank you for coming nice to meet you and elise says to him oh you've grown up so much since last time i saw you and he's like what last time you saw me what do you mean she's like i was about to ask how does lorraine know this elise and um she's like oh me and your mother have been friends for a long time he's like oh okay i wonder if this is connected to the fact that there are no baby pictures of him probably not no it's, it's all, what do we call a note? They don't use this buffalo.

They don't use this buffalo. Buffalo. They don't use the whole buffalo. No, we'll see how much buffalo they use. Alright. So, okay, so Elise gets there and she's like, okay, let's, she does a little

preliminary check of Dalton's room and goes in there and tells one of the little understudy guys, come with me, bring your drawing pad. And basically says, I'll describe what I see. He draws what I see. And it's pretty creepy scene of her going in and saying, Dalton, like your mom and dad are here. No need to be scared i'm just gonna look around and then whispering to the assistant guy like red face black body so like and you can't like totally hear what she's saying but like it's like scary i'm so scary you're so scary yeah yeah and he's like vigorously like scratching his drawing pad and drawing. And Renee is getting really unsettled and doesn't like what's happening and eventually snatches the drawing pad out of his hand and looks at it.

And it's so fucking scary. like a a a black body with red face crouched in the top corner of the bedroom like looking down at dalton and that's what that's what elise that's what elise sees and rose burn renee flips on the light because it's all dark in there and there's obviously nothing. Just like they're all like what the fuck's going on. And they go back into the main room. And Elise is like I don't know if you're ready to hear this yet. But I don't think we have a ton of time. So I just have to tell you like your son is not in a coma. Him falling has nothing to do with his current state.

His physical body is here. But his spiritual body is not. And the reason that these things have followed you from the last house to this house is because your house was not what was haunted. It is your son that is haunted. Classic. Listen, don't get haunted. If your house is haunted, that's chill. If an object is haunted, that's chill. If an object is

haunted, that's chill. If you are haunted, you're fucked. Just don't allow your corporal being to be haunted. You're fucked. You're fucked if you get personally haunted. It's definitely an individual choice, too, and you have individual control

over it. Yes. Dalton chose this. Dalton chose this, and he deserves what he gets. If you let yourself be haunted, you deserve what happens to you. I feel like this is mirroring a specific political perspective,

but I could be wrong. I don't know. Libertarianism? Every individual has power over their own life. Don't let yourself get haunted. My haunted body, my choice. What are we doing? I'm sorry, Sammy. Go on.

She says, have you ever heard of astral projection? I have. Why have I? They say yes. Because everybody has a little bit. I mean, it's a thing. It comes up a lot. It's in another show or movie or something.

It's where in your dreams, you project yourself outside. I guess your spiritual body projects outside of your physical body and you can travel. And she says, Dalton is a very experienced astral traveler. He has been doing it for a long time. And he has been unafraid because he's a child and he thinks it's a dream and so it's allowed him to go further than he should and he has gotten lost it's in stranger things by the way well this is before that thank you they stole it from stranger things they stole it from

they astral projected into the future and stole it from strangers um so he got lost and he is trapped in the further which was the original title of the film the further um which is a dark realm filled with tortured souls of the dead this is sounding honestly honestly, I think Stranger Things stole from Insidious. No, it's the other way around. And the reason that this is a problem is that... Everything about it sounds like a problem. Well, there's one big problem and that is... All this sounds manageable to me, Emily. Listen, if you are a strong individual, you can deal with these kinds of challenges. You just gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

I get the hell out of the further. Pull yourself up. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, just use your own wits. Here's the big issue is that his body is now an empty vessel. And the reason she has seen so many different ghosts,

demons, whatever they may be, is because they're all fighting to inhabit it. They're all attracted to this empty human vessel. Yes, because they're mostly attracted to life. They want to live again. And if they could get into his little shell of a body, they could live again. But she says there is one demon that's after him that is much more malevolent than the rest. Most of them are just trying to live again. But there's one that wants to possess him to cause unbearable pain to others.

That's this red face demon. And he only wants to possess him to like hurt hurt others so he is what we need to be worried about and he has the strongest hold so far he's the strongest of them all and the longer dalton is away from his body the looser his hold on his body gets so the more vulnerable his his body is to be possessed how did he get away from his body to begin with in his dreams that was his own damn fault it's his own damn fault he got lost he just dreamed too hard he dreamed too hard and he got lost and now demons are trying to take over his body demons and ghosts it would seem that sucks so she says there's something we can try to fix this situation, but it's a little unorthodox and I would need you to really trust me.

And Josh says, no, like I'm done with this, whatever it is. No, I gave you a chance. I wanted you, Renee, to feel safe. I heard her out. This is insane. This is crazy. You need to leave. Everybody get out of my house.

Basically kicks them all out. But she hasn't even said what the thing is yet. She didn't say what the thing is, but he's already over it. Triggered, maybe. Definitely triggered. Is his mom still there at this point? Yes. Okay.

So he kicks them all out later that night he's in dalton's room and kind of crying and talking to dalton like just give me a sign basically that you're here and as he says that a drawing falls off the wall like there's some drawings tacked to the wall and this is where i really started laughing they're literal drawings of the red-faced demon and it's like you didn't notice those red-faced demon drawings on the wall before whoa they need to fall off the ceiling for me to discover them he then there's one of dalton in his bed sleeping and there there's writing underneath that says, last night I watched myself sleeping and then I flew away. And it's a drawing of him flying into the night.

And Josh starts crying. And Renee comes in. And he's like, okay, we can do it. We can try it. And it's like, you didn't see these drawings that say exactly that in your son's room? He's on board now. Okay proof i guess so they call elise back and now we're to the unorthodox thing where it's a very weird little like seance scene it's very changeling-esque i would say say but has very like green lighting which I feel like is also changeling esque and

they sit around a table in Dalton's room and Elise puts on this crazy World War II looking gas mask and it has a long snout thing attached to the mouth

that then attaches to one of her assistant's ears. And she says, basically, I'll be kind of a conduit for Dalton, but it'll be so quiet, you won't be able to hear it. So I need to be able to amplify it to my assistant guy, and he'll write down what I say say because whatever dalton says will come through my mouth um and they put up all these cameras and they're like the cameras will be triggered by any change in pressure of the room so they might flash just ignore them hopefully we'll catch something on the cameras so they're all sitting around this table in this little seance. And the guy with the notepad is saying like, Dalton, can you hear me, Dalton? And then Elise starts whispering. And the guy

starts writing on his notepad. If they hear you, they'll hurt me. And he's yelling, Dalton, Dalton, just follow my voice. Follow my voice. Who's going to hurt you? And then writes the man with fire on his face. And he says, Dalton, no, like, follow my voice. Can you find a way out? Dalton, can you find a way out? And then writes, there is no way out.

He's saying, follow my voice. Follow voice and says be quiet they'll hear you um also like the camera like old-fashioned bulbs are starting to go off like it's like the so it's like some yeah i saw this scene in stranger things this is sounding familiar so okay so the the flashlight bulbs are going off it's getting a little more energy in the room is crazier and crazier and he's like be quiet they'll hear you he's like follow my voice follow my voice then he writes they heard you oh god mommy daddy help help help me help me mommy help me daddy help me and then there's like a pause and it's silent for a bit and then he starts writing you bitch i will rip your innards out and eat them and then elise screams but she's wearing a thing that like amplifies her voice a ton so it like blows out the

guy's eardrums basically and he rips off the thing and he's screaming and there's all this commotion and all the light bulbs are going off and then the heart monitor of dalton who is in the room with them um the heart monitor goes flat so it goes oh no and they look over and he's not in the bed and then they pan back and he's standing right behind them all of a sudden and his eyes are closed and he just lifts his hand up and puts it down on the table. And it like goes and like push, like flings them all out of their seats. Kind of fun and cool. I liked it. And then the man, the spooky man that was pacing around on the balcony earlier appears.

Like a few of the little nasty ghosts appear. There's just like mayhem in the room and the ghost like pins Renee against the wall and goes to like lick her face and Dalton is in the center of the room

and Elise grabs Dalton and says leave this vessel now! And it works. like a charm. And everything kind of goes back to normal. And everyone gives a big old phew. That's how I feel. Then we cut to the two assistant guys in the kitchen kind of going through the cameras.

And they say, like, I had four cameras on the all of it and nothing went through, went through on the counter and like a piece of steak on his ear like a like a frozen steak which like when you're when you've blown out an eardrum from volume is that you put a frozen steak on it that's like i know that that i know that that's good for maybe like being punched in the face and anything you need to, to anything inflammatory that you need to. I don't know. I just have never, I didn't know that you would ice a burst eardrum. And I'm going to do some research because I'm, I'm not sold that that's a real thing. You're supposed to put a frozen, a frozen small object in your ear.

Everyone knows that. Yes, small object in your ear. Everyone knows that. Yes, frozen peas inside your ear. Your frozen carrot just straight into your ear. But he says there's nothing on the cameras, but I had a video camera and I went frame by frame. And it shows Dalton as he was putting his hand on the table. it shows Dalton as he was putting his hand on the table and there's a frame of creepy red face man

right behind him like every I don't know 10th frame or something and it's scary scary so where's Dalton now I think he's back in his coma bed he is not awake but is oh he's not he's alive but he's not awake

okay then they kind of reconvene back downstairs He is not awake. Oh, he's not awake. He's alive, but he's not awake. Okay. Then they kind of reconvene back downstairs and Lorraine and Elise are like, there's something we need to talk about. They reveal that Josh had the same thing happen to him when he was a kid, if you can believe it. I can't believe it. Did anybody see it coming? No, I didn't. It's a total surprise. So Lorraine says, you know, you used to talk about an old woman that you saw all the time and I didn't believe you. But then every time I took a photo of you, there was the woman in the background and she pulls out a little box of photos and all of it's all his childhood photos.

And the nasty veiled old woman woman from the beginning, like gets closer and closer each photo. And in the last one, her hand is like on his shoulder, basically. Oh, and so she's like, that's the reason I know Elise is because this happened to me. And when you were young, I needed this same thing. And Elise says, because you were also an astral projector, you are the only one who can save Dalton. You have to go into the further, basically, and bring him back. Easy. Oh, fucking easy peasy.

Easy peasy. So they hypnotize him and Elise turns back and kind of looks at him and says, into the further you go. And he goes outside with a spooky little lamp and it's really dark and foggy. And And it's really dark and foggy. And he sees Dalton kind of running around in front of him, tries to follow him and eventually finds their old house is the first thing he sees and she walks up the stairs and he follows her and goes into one of the rooms of the house and there's like a woman's gone. And then he hears something downstairs, goes downstairs. And there's the 50s family that the two sisters that we saw earlier were from. Basically frozen on the couch, kind of like mannequins. But he goes up to them close and they're like blinking and breathing and it's just like creepy and gross and then he walks into another room and then here's three gunshots

and walks back into that room and the the one of the sisters has shot the whole family but they're all still frozen mannequinny then he walks back to the stairs and turns around and there's a fun shot where he turns back and the family of four is and there's a fun shot where he turns back and the family of four is right in front of him and it is a jump scare and it's like two two quick shots of like boom boom of them straight faced and then smiling but it's like a jump cut and it's a really unsettling and weird little shot and he runs away from them and goes upstairs and sees the red door. Did I mention the red door? I didn't mention the red door, did I?

I had a moment of being like, the red door. It's one of the in the moment where he looked at all of Dalton's drawings. One of the drawings on the wall was a red door. Okay. And he's about to go into the red door and then the like gross tongue, long haired man ghost jumps out, lunges at him. They get into a fist fight and you love to see a fist fight with a ghost.

Yeah. And we are like cutting back to his body in the chair with renee and elise and lorraine all gathered around him and his body's kind of shaking kind of like in the matrix where he's being like beaten up and elise is saying like you're stronger than him remember you're the one that's human you can beat him and he's he just goes like and punches him and flings him across the room and beats that guy great oh and right as he punches him the ghost guy goes no No. I really mean that. So then he opens the red door, goes in there, finds Dalton, who is handcuffed to, I don't know, something in the middle of a room. And he runs up. He's like, Dalton, Dalton.

And Dalton looks really scared and points up at something and through a glass kind of overlook in this room we see the red-faced demon guy who's basically working at a sewing machine type thing but it's just sharpening his nasty fingernails like he's just sharpening up his nails and he doesn't notice them and so josh is like okay trying to figure out the handcuffs trying to get him out and he's like okay we're gonna get you out of here and then dalton does another point back up and we turn and it jumps to demon guy at the window of the overlook looking down at them and he sticks out his tongue and he has a nasty like serpentine tongue with a like split tongue. Ew, it's gross.

And then all of a sudden he's downstairs right behind Josh and they get into a fight. Another fist fight. Another fist fight? Fist fighting with a demon is just so funny to me. This is why i was really laughing it just seems so silly like it's yeah like i can't imagine a demon that's the best

they've got i don't think i don't think demons fist fight oh but um so then we get a like good look at red face demon and henley you're gonna love, no. He's got goat hooves. I love it. I just want to imagine them on my roof right now. Those cute little goat hooves. He's just a cute little goat, Demon. He's just a cute little goat. He's a cutie.

Clompy clomp. Clomp clomp. Cute little hooves all over my roof. It puts me right in the Christmas spirit. Up on rooftop this movie copied krampus too before the fact it's just dear old red-faced demon guy um so josh grabs dalton and runs and all the ghosts are the handcuffs off i guess so okay and all the demons are kind of chasing him he's running and renee's yelling follow my voice follow my voice and um it's all getting very loud and crazy and we're cutting back and forth between both worlds and it's getting a little blurred. And then Elise says, they're crossing over into our world and we see an arm shoot out of a drawer and grab one of the assistants and the demons and ghosts are now in the real world in their regular form.

That doesn't seem good. It doesn't seem good. Somewhere along the line, Josh and Dalton get separated as they're running to try to make it back. is being pursued by red-faced demon man who grabs him from underneath the bed which is scary and then dalton gets away and runs down a hallway and red-faced demon man like he's like climbing on the ceiling and wall and it's very scary and then we see j Josh is being pursued by the old lady who is he was pursued by as a child. And he's he's in a mirror and yelling at the old lady. I'm not scared of you anymore. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. What do you want? I'm not I'm not afraid of you. Leave me alone. All this time, Renee is yelling like, follow my voice, follow my voice.

Like, we need you. And all of the ghosts and demons are closing in on them in the real world. And at the very last second, Josh wakes up and all of the demons and ghosts disappear. And then they run into Dalton's room and he wakes up too and they're both alive and all the demons are gone. Hell yeah. And then

Emily, you will like this, we cut to back into the house. Dalton awake from his coma after so many months and he's eaten a big bowl of spaghetti. I mean, come on. All this talk about what would your last

meal be? Baby, what's your first meal after a coma? Of course it's going to be spaghetti. Spaghetti? Why wouldn't it be? It's going to be spaghetti. Mmm, I would love some spaghetti right now. I always love spaghetti. He's really, really like shoveling it in. Like he's so excited

to be eating spaghetti. And then Elise and Josh are in the living room. He's handing her back something. I think the picture is from when he was a kid. He's like, guess I don't need these anymore. And as he hands them back to her, she kind of freezes and looks scared for a second. She kind of freezes and looks scared for a second. And she slowly fishes out a camera from her bag, takes a photo of him with a flash. And he turns to her and says, why would you do that? Why would you do that?

You know, I don't like having my photo taken and starts strangling her and says, you bitch, you fucking bitch. Why the fuck would you do that? And he kills her. What? And everyone is downstairs. This house is too big. So they don't hear this happen. They hear like something happen.

No. You cannot get a house so big you can't hear a murder happen within it. He is screaming while he's murdering her. It should be loud. happened yeah within it he is screaming while he's murdering her it should be loud but renee runs upstairs and finds elise's dead body and nobody else is in the room and she's screaming josh josh come in here something horrible has happened and grabs the camera out of Elise's hand and looks at it and her eyes get really big and it does a cool vertigo zoom my favorite we see her seeing there's like a little flashback to what Elise saw when Josh was handing her the photos and he had like a nasty old woman hand basically.

And then we see that through the camera, he is the veiled creepy old woman. And then we see Renee seeing this and being terrified. And then a hand appears on her shoulder and we hear Josh's voice saying, honey, I'm here and she turns and looks terrified

and end credits oh my god that's the end of the movie wow I didn't know when the end of the movie was going to come at any moment I was like it could be now I don't know here it is

that's fun that's a fun at any moment. I was like, it could be now. I don't know. Here it is. It could be now. That's fun. That's a fun ending. Of course, something was gonna come back with them. Damon. Dalton. Dalton was sleepwalking? Well, we never, I guess, really

found out. But I guess so. That's interesting. Or maybe demons or ghosts were getting into his body for a little bit amount of time and taking it for test drives taking it for a test drive i'm not gonna commit to this body until i've walked it around well maybe they weren't strong enough to to fully inhabit it yeah it's ironclad airtight i think It's ironclad. Airtight. I think it's ironclad except for the stake on the ear. Wait, so there are other

sequels to this, right? A lot of them. There are four of them I believe. Dang. Wow, Sammy, that was scary. I was scary. I was scared. And I'm scared now. I didn't like to be scared. I was pleasantly surprised with how not not not scared I was scared. And I'm scared now. I didn't like to be scared. I was pleasantly surprised with how not not not scared I was.

I'd say the first half of the movie is a lot scarier than the second half. I think that happens a lot in not just horror. I think in movies in general, I think set up is easier than payoff. So it's like but maybe especially in horror. but maybe especially in horror. Yeah, I would love to do kind of like a survey or a focus group on people who are comparing setup versus payoff. Because to me,

the payoff is supposed to be more scary. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to be the climax. It's supposed to be where all the action happens. And more often than not, that's not the case. Well, I think it ties into like the unknown being scarier right and so when you're having to answer questions it's

inherently less scary because you're basically pulling back the curtain yeah i think when you like create this whole like well here's what it is when you dream your brain does this thing and you go into this place then when you're in this place there's like i i'd rather just be like where the fuck are those demons coming from i don't know right like mysterious is is just scarier but it's interesting to think about why mysterious is scarier and the reason why mysterious is scarier is because your brain fills in because of your shit it's also because and I think they're connected like mysterious is scarier and setup is scarier and

the reason why both of those two things are scarier is because like your everyday life is scary yeah not knowing in general I think it's because yes it gives you it gives you the space to fill it in with your own personal scariest things

so you can pay well and just like we hate having something be open-ended in general i'm like just fucking tell me like tell me what it is i don't want to not know right i was wondering while watching it what some of the scariest endings are i'm curious to know what people think. Blair Witch Project is supposed to be one of the scariest endings. Yeah, that is a pretty scary one. But I would argue because it's not really an answer. I think when anything tries to answer

anything, it's less scary. But it's also all culturally relative. Like now if you tried to make a movie where it ended like Blair Witch Project, people would be like, what is this bullshit? Because I'd seen it before. Yeah, that's true. It has to be surprising. It has to be new. Mm-hmm. Listeners, what's

the scariest ending of a movie you've ever seen? I'm dying to know. Paranormal had a pretty scary ending. Yeah. It did. It was scary, but it also was an example of a horror movie that kind of gave you answers in a way where it was like this person was never

found again and this person turned into a demon and was eaten alive but there's not like it's not like complicated they're not like giving you a like a mythology to get behind it's just like oh fuck that's how that happened yikes

um listeners to get behind. It's just like, oh, fuck. That's how that happened. Yikes. Listeners, we love you a lot. Don't you dare get yourself haunted. We won't help you. Yeah, that's the number one thing we're worried about. That's the number one to leave this episode with. That'll be on you. That'll be on

you if that happens. If that happens, that'll be on you. Yeah, we can't be held responsible. Take some goddamn personal responsibility and don't get yourself haunted. No voices in this one. No voices. I think we're just gonna have to do a regular fucking goodbye

with our regular voices. Regular style is what's up and goodnight. That's what's up. Goodbye. Goodnight. Ooh, Henley. Goodnight. is what's up and good night that's what's up goodbye good night oh henley good night i don't like it okay fine goodbye hey everyone it's henley thanks for listening to another episode of too scary didn't watch otherwise known as the best content you will consume while you are quarantined um if you did enjoy listening to

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