Too Scary; Didn't Watch - JENNIFER'S BODY with William Heus

Episode Date: January 1, 2020

A teenage girl possessed by a demon, a wasted Boston Market chicken, and music from DASHBOARD CONFESSIONAL - we're recapping Karyn Kusama's 2009 film Jennifer's Body. William Heus is back to tell us all about this ahead-of-its-time-horror, and Henley was brave this week! Join us as we find out that hell truly is a teenage girl. Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily. I'm scared. I'm Henley, and I'm scared. I'm Sammy i'm emily i'm scared i'm henley and i'm scared i'm sammy and i am brave and i'm excited me too excited i'm so excited um great great i'm so i'm so thrilled did anything scary happen to us this week in the world um i have a quick little thing, which is my office holiday party this week. Tis the season. Was held on a soundstage and there were maybe 500 people there.

And they also had karaoke. And the performances were impeccable. Honestly, I have so many videos on my phone now of people I like don't even know who they are who are up there performing and performing is a fun word to use with karaoke do you feel like they were really performing? yes you love to see it

it's just fun I always choose ridiculous songs that are not really about the singing so much as just like I like to choose really fast songs I do Charlie Daniels band, Double Went Down Georgia because I went down. Oh my God, that is such a good karaoke song.

It's so crazy. It's also no singing. No singing. It's just like fast talking. Those are my favorite ones to do. Henley, what's your go-to karaoke song? I don't have one because I hate singing. But I guess, wait, I feel like Tim told me I had one one time. Oh, God, this is embarrassing.

We have to cut this out. No diggity. Oh, that's a good one. That's the one. I do feel like that's a song that some people who can sing pick as their song. There's some singing involved. There's some singing involved. And if you can sing it well, like I have a friend who sung it, who picked it at karaoke and we were all like

whoa. Like it was like a fun like okay. It's a good karaoke song. It's a good karaoke song. Yes. What about you, Emily? Mine is for Galicious. Oh, I think I knew that for some reason. Because it's a, you also get to do some fast talking. Not rap, fast talking.

But a little bit of singing and I do know all the words so it's a fun flex to be like oh I'm not even looking at the screen I just know all the words to Virgil O'Hara Jesus Christ okay what about you guys anything scary happen I've just been drinking

alcohol every single night which is kind of scary and yeah it's a lot I think I'm at like six nights in a row now and it just feels exhausting you know and you like start really hating it but you have all these engagements because the holiday season crazy how much you can dread having to drink alcohol it's so funny because it's like you're it's definitely your choice whether it's your choice to do it and i'm like i have to do it i'm like god i don't want to drink tonight, but I will. And I just like really do it.

Same. But I'm going to do a dry January. That's scary to me. I think I'm going to do it with you. I can't believe that you guys are doing it. I'm going to also do it. It's because the holidays are kind of scary. The holidays are oversaturated with alcohol. It really is. Yeah, I've been doing nothing but consume in excess for so long.

Gross, gross, gross. Emily, what about you? I guess we all did this the other night. We rode in a limo. We went to a limo party. And I guess limo Zeke. Hashtag limo Zeke. If you try to search the hashtag, you will get no results.

But it was very fun. But I guess what's scary is I told my mom about it in advance of doing it i was all excited i was like we're gonna do this limo night um and she immediately was like well that's really dangerous and um you know if you get in a car accident all your bodies become projectiles and i what yeah because you're not strapped in. So like you go flying and kill each other. And like I was so excited for the party and I did have a great time. But truly in the back of my mind the whole time was like.

Just imagining like bodies flying at each other. And we'll get in a wreck and we'll all fly. We also went. We drove so slowly the whole time. There was like no way that was going to happen. But I did spend a slight portion of the night being certain that it was the death of all me and all my closest friends. But we survived.

We survived. We fucking had a great time. Well, your mom is doing a really good job actually instilling the fear in you. I'm so scared of everything. Like low key, I'm scared of most things in a big way. I mean, that's why we're doing this podcast. That's why we're doing this podcast.

Speaking of. The're doing this podcast. That's why we're doing this podcast. Speaking of... The podcast? The podcast. This week, we have a return guest, William Hughes. Hello. Back again. Back again.

Third time. Third time. Well, first time you guys haven't heard the pod we did. We did the last episode. did with the crawl and the audio got ruined. A cursed episode. One of the cursed episodes. One of the long lost cursed hidden episodes. Oh, we'll release it

at our 10 year reunion. But, oh, and the movie we're doing this week, Jennifer's Body. I actually watched it this week with William. It's a 2009 American supernatural horror black comedy film.

That is a lot of description. That is a lot of magic, too. It's written by Diablo Cody and directed by Karen Kusama. Love her. She also did The Invitation and Destroyer. She did Aeon Flux, which was Oh, I did not see that one.

Which was a big... I don't think that... I saw it. It was good. Yeah? It has like a 12% on Rotten Tomatoes. It is Charlize. There are some cool sequences.

In a wig, right? With like black hair or something? She looks good with every color. Oh, she definitely does. Totally. It's starring Amanda Seyfried, Megan Fox, Adam Brody, Johnny Simmons. Oh, this is a very 2009 cast. Very 2009. Also, guys, J.K. Simmons

is in this movie as well. Like a really not necessary. It's very random. Very, very random. The problem is love J.K. Simmons. Wasn't Amy Sedaris? Did we ever determine if that was? I think that was Amanda Seyfried's mom was Amy Sedaris.

Another random, like, not necessary good casting. Interesting, interesting, interesting interesting interesting yeah i have to confirm that yes it is amy sedaris wow um well welcome back william thank you happy to be here yeah did anything scary happen to you this week um so my apartment um recently had a lot of mosquitoes in it Oh wow I hate mosquitoes So weird In my apartment So this is like last week I guess It was this week guys

So I got like Bit by a mosquito Like sitting on the couch And then I killed it And then basically I kept seeing more and more And I thought I was going crazy Because it's like

I just killed three mosquitoes Like there can't be more in the apartment Ew man I hate them So you think it's because you have a pool right out there maybe well it was also when it was raining a lot so it's kind of the wet season but it was just so weird because they were smaller than normal mosquitoes they were like all over my ankles my roommate now yes that's a new breed yes yes that's what the scary thing is so i was like this is fucked up so i looked so i googled it and i was like mosquito like la times and there's this new invasive mosquito from South America that last year was a problem

in San Diego. And this year it's finally in LA. And they're smaller. They feed during the daytime. And they specifically go after your ankles and feet. And they have these like little sort of like, if you look at them, like white stripes on their legs. But they're so that it's just as scary as a terrifying invasive species that literally

invaded my apartment. And I kind of thought I was like being gaslit because I killed one and there's another one. And it's like, yeah, I just killed that. Being gaslit by mosquitoes. By invasive mosquitoes. Hi, everybody. It is cocktail hour. And this week's cocktail is a Geneva's body.

Geneva is a distilled malted spirit popular in the Netherlands and Belgium. And to make a Geneva's Body, you will use one and a half ounces of Geneva, one ounce of fresh squeezed lemon juice, a half an ounce of simple syrup, two dashes of Luxardo Maraschino liqueur. You will shake those four ingredients with ice and strain into an ice-filled glass and top with soda water and garnish with a lemon zest twist. Enjoy.

Okay, well, do we have any trivia about this movie? I have some. Okay. One is that Megan Fox and Amanda Seyfried have both said that this is their favorite movie that they've ever done of their respective filmographies. Really? And when was that quote?

I don't know. It doesn't say. I'm sure it could have changed by now. Megan, sure. But Amanda, I hope she's done some better films. And then one was in a interview with the New York Times while trying to illustrate how completely the studio's all-male marketing department misunderstood the point of the movie. Director Karen Kusama recalled that one of their marketing ideas was for Megan Fox to do live chats with amateur porn sites.

Oh, my God. My God. Kusama said that she begged them not to even mention the idea to Fox because she will become so dispirited it was crushing. Oh, my. I was about to say this movie is written by a woman, directed by a woman, starring women. To have an all-male marketing team is such

a huge and like so Hollywood fucking misstep. It's insane. And to be like, they don't even get it. You know how two out of ten men understand the movie? I'm understand sorry to bring that back it felt kind of ahead of its time in a lot of ways yes

that's what I've kind of I've never seen this movie I'm really excited to hear about it I've always wanted to see it I'm definitely gonna watch it after this I already know and yeah that's kind of what I heard is that it's like this feminist horror movie that no one really got at the time yeah I have to say I feel like this movie is kind of like a good kind of what I heard is that it's like this feminist horror movie that no one really got at the time. Yeah, I have to say, I feel like this movie is kind of like a good kind of study and expectations because you were expecting it to be great. Well, yes, because, you know, it comes out in 2009.

It's maligned. It's supposedly terrible. It's revisited 10 years later. People actually realize that it didn't deserve that kind of feedback. But they're coming in with super low expectations. Then their expectations are exceeded. So you think it did deserve to be? No, I didn't think it deserved to be maligned in the way that it was. But I, however, had read all the like reviews and commentary that had come out in the past couple of years that was talking about how it's like actually a feminist film and had come out in the past couple of years that was talking about how it's like actually a feminist

film and all this stuff and then watching it from that perspective I was like oh I don't know I don't know if I like fully am on board so maybe it's somewhere in the middle yeah I think so

I definitely think so well Blake Lively was originally offered and then had conflicts with Gossip Girl. I also would have been good, I think. Yeah, she's also... Also, it might have changed the narrative about this movie a little bit because Blake Lively is slightly less of like a typical like sexualized person in Hollywood. Yeah, people like never took Megan Fox seriously.

Yeah, which is unfair. I think Megan Fox is like a smart, interesting person. She's just like so hot in a specific way. Yeah. In a very male gaze-y type of way. In like a Playboy, like Victoria's Secret. She looks like an epitome of a

sex doll, basically. Yeah, she's like a animated sex doll. Whereas Blake Lively looks a little more like a real person and less like, you know. Yeah, Blake Lively's so normal looking. Comparatively. Girl looks more average. Oh my god, I've like seen a million of

them. One more trivia that Emily will like. Oh, is it Actors Rights? Actors Rights! Actors Rights! It's that Hershey's syrup was used for the black vomit scene oh yeah and not actual vomit you know not actual vomit you love I love that that's the bar we've set to be good news what no real vomit

hell yeah um oh and Emma Stone was considered for the role of Needy which is Amanda Seyfried's character that would have been good too. Those are similar big-eyed women. I think I would have preferred. I didn't really like Amanda Seyfried in this role. Well, we can get into it. Oh, I'm excited. I really am excited. I remember when this movie came out and a lot of my

friends were super, super into it. I had a friend in college who, I mean, it was after this movie came out, but it was like one of his all-time faves and fucking loved Megan Fox and loved Jennifer's body and I was always too scared to see it it's really not too scary it's not scary that's really not it's like there

are graphic horror horrific moments but it's not actually scary moments really yeah because it tries to sort of turn like the horror tropes a little bit on its head in like a fun teen kind of way. It's pretty campy. Yeah.

It's definitely campy. Yeah. We should be watching the trailer. Let's watch the trailer. This is exciting. Hey, Jennifer. You look really pretty. Why don't you just come by my place?

All this random. This isn't really your house, is it? We can play mommy and daddy. No way. We always share your bed when we have slumber parties. Jennifer's evil. I know. No, I mean she's actually evil. Not high school evil.

You're killing people. No, I'm killing boys. I'm really scared. I, I'm killing boys. I'm very scared. I thought you only murdered boys. I go both ways. Holy shit, you guys. This movie is... Let's launch right in. Let's launch right in.

So I think the first... We see Jennifer lying in bed, looking all hot. There's a whole bunch of Fall Out Boy posters above her bed looking all hot there's a whole bunch of fallout boy posters above her bed and then there's like a voiceover and i don't know who says it but someone's like hell is a teenage girl i think amanda seyfried says yeah yeah um so that's where that classic line comes from classic is a teenage girl and then we shoot to a mental asylum where Amanda Seyfried is being held. She's making some really creepy little

crafts. You just see the back of her and there's a voice over and she's basically I don't know exactly what she's saying. I used to be a nerdy girl but now I'm not. And then she like kicked an orderly like in the head.

And it's like, it's really. So this is like a starting at the end situation. It's a very kind of flash forward. And it's like. Which we talked about and we wish that it hadn't done that because. I hate when any movie does that. It's so obvious. Seems like such a lazy way to open a movie.

Yeah. I wonder where, how did she get here? It's like a nerd to this person. And it's like, oh, obviously her friend got possessed by a devil she probably killed her friend everybody thought she was crazy and put her mental institution it's like okay i got it obviously her friend was possessed by a demon no it is it is like it's almost it is truly though makes the movie be like almost immediately obvious like right beginning which is a pretty obvious movie yeah i mean from if you've just seen the trailer yeah

and yeah so she gets so basically amanda seyfried now is struggling with some like serious anger management issues and also seems to have like kind of supernatural powers by the fact that she kicked the orderly so hard she literally shot her across the room it was really aggro and then she's like want some more jello, sweetie? She's like, fuck you. So unnecessary. Those aren't the exact lines, but they might as well have been. I would love for them to be. Then they throw her in isolation.

And then she basically is like, this is my story. And then it's like two months earlier. It's only been two months. Oh, wow. A lot can happen in two months, I guess. A then it's like two months earlier. It's only been two months. Oh, wow. A lot can happen in two months, I guess. A lot can happen in two months. One summer can change everything. It takes place during the school year.

The location is Devil's Kettle, Minnesota. So the Devil's Kettle is this sort of like a reverse waterfall, basically, in the woods where it's like a waterfall goes into the earth. And they're like,'s kettle it goes straight down nobody knows how deep it is they show like scientists throwing like little like scientific balls into it like they can never find out where it goes and it kind of

like swirls around like a whirlpool going down to the earth and it was kind of cool I kind of wish it had been kind of used I mean it was used a little bit it was used a little bit so that's why it's called devil's kettle It had been kind of used. I mean, it was used a little bit. It was used a little bit. So that's why it's called Devil's Kettle. Okay.

And then I guess they're at school. Then we just kind of see what they are. It's like, so, you know, we have Jennifer. She's the cool girl. She's the hot girl. Everyone loves her. Then we have her best friend whose name is Needy. Needy.

This was really confusing to us. Yeah. Her name was literally, everyone called her Needy. It's because her name's Anita and it's Needy for short. But it's like, oh, she's a needy friend. And it's kind of the classic where she's like, you know, obsessed with Jennifer. Jennifer kind of is like, you know, that kind of like relationship. But they've been best friends since they were little children.

There's like unnecessary childhood flashbacks too. Yeah. Just to try to establish more of their friendship. I wish that this movie had explored their friendship in a more interesting way than it did. I think that's probably my number one complaint about the movie. Let's do our complaints later because I'm sorry. Anywho, so basically

Jennifer convinces Amanda to go to this concert that night, even though technically she has plans with her boyfriend Chip yeah who's like a really young looking he looks like I mean like the long lost Zack and Cody triplet like he looks like he's

got that hair he has like Stranger Things haircut and Nnedi is like I mean she's like a nerd even though it's Amanda Seyfried and her face looks like a fucking renaissance painting but they're like look she has glasses I love it when they do that And they're not even hip glasses Fucking dork

Yeah she's so beautiful it's like that's another thing That's hard to get your head wrapped around Oh she does have a pet ferret though Which is really nerdy That is way nerdy If you're into rodents fucking nerd I like rodents So do I

But like a rat not a ferret Ferrets are nasty nerd. I like rodents. I like rats. So do I. But like a rat, not a ferret. Ferrets are nasty. Well, you're not allowed to have ferrets in California. I always wanted one. Ferrets are nasty as hell. You're not allowed

to have a New York either. They do smell bad. They smell really bad. And they steal all your shit. They're like snakes with fur. Anyway, let's keep going. William had rats in college. We can talk about that later.

Rats are cool. So then they go to this, they go to this concert. It's at a really Hodunk small little like Small town venue and they're Running into all these people that they know Megan Fox I guess dated

Chris Pratt who's in this For approximately one line Looking really hot This was like before he was big He's got like a he's kind of like redneck He's got a camo hat. And I guess he's like a cadet. He's a police officer.

Yeah. And she goes up and kind of grabs his dick. And she's like, hey, like. How old are they supposed to be? She's in high school. They're probably seniors in high school, I'm guessing. I don't know. I mean, they all look like they're 25.

Besides the boyfriend, he looks like he's 12 years old. So it was. Yeah. He looked weirdly young compared to them. the boyfriend who looks like he's 12 years old so it was yeah he looked weirdly young compared to them um and so they're there to see a band called low shoulder which is starring adam brody who's wearing a shit ton of eyeliner yeah it's like adam brody is like pete wentz kind of yeah i like pictured it as adrian brody at first and that's very funny and i have to share that's really fun i have a question low shoulder is that like is that like, is that an expression?

Is that a saying? Like, where does that name come from? At the end of the movie, they show a traffic sign on the side of the road that says Low Shoulder. It's like where you can veer off.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, watch out for this Low Shoulder. I guess so. So, I don't know. What a cool band name.

That is cool. So, Nikolai is the name of Adam Brody's character. I don't know. What a cool band name. That is cool. So Nikolai is the name of Adam Brody's character. And Jennifer is clearly super into them. That's why they're there to begin with. She goes up to Adam

Brody and she's like, you guys play your instruments super good. Megan Fox is funny in this. I know. And from the truth, the way they make her talk, it's like, I'm hot.

It's like a weird disaffected valley girl. It's funny. I live in Minnesota. So then Nikolai and his bandmates are talking about those, like, look at those

two hot girls. And they're like, do you think they're, is she a virgin or is she a slut? And then Needy's like, there's only one option. Needy's like,

that's my best friend and she's a virgin. and then needy goes up to grab someone's dick yeah well so jennifer this i wrote i had to write down this line because it was so funny um but also like fucking crazy and a good example of the kinds of lines that are in this movie um so then needy goes up to jennifer and is like those guys are bad news they were just talking about whether or not you're a virgin and then Jennifer goes I'm not even a backdoor virgin

I couldn't go to class the next day I had to stay at home and sit on a bag of frozen peas oh my god I'm glad you wrote that down wow like it was just like insane those are the types of things that come out of everyone's mouth though. That's funny. So then Adam Brody and

the band are playing their song and Adam Brody's vamping at the camera in such an insane way. It's worth watching the movie just to watch him vamping at the camera like what does that mean? Like staring like posing so intensely and like really overdoing it with singing and like his eyeliner is so intense he looks like a vampire

oh he looks like a vampire um yeah you know he's bad news okay um but then one interesting thing that happens in this moment is that uh needy and jennifer like look at each other kind of like they love each other and then they hold hands and it's almost like it kind of starts setting the stage for the fact that maybe amanda seyfried has like deeper feelings deeper feelings yeah it's like jennifer's like gazing at uh nicolai and then like needy's gazing at jennifer and you're kind of like oh she's looking her the same way jennifer's looking at but needy way Jennifer's looking at Nikolai. But Needy does have a boyfriend. Yes. Needy does have a boyfriend. Yes. So then just randomly, I think, I don't know why, but a fire starts.

I think it was like a wire, like a teeny tiny little fire started on like a speaker behind stage and then just spread so fast and so far. It was like first there was a little fire and then everybody was on fire. Literally everyone gets lit on fire. Everybody gets lit on fire. And not even in a supernatural way. It's as if this is how... I guess it's a bar.

There's a lot of fun little things. That's really scary. But it's like the ceiling was on fire. It was really kind of a sharp escalation. We were not expecting that. Do you think this is a demon at work? Well, I thought so, but then- But no. I don't think so. Oh, okay.

I think this is just a random occurrence. And this is kind of the first real horrific moment of the film. I think the- Yeah. Where people are literally getting trampled and like- Yeah. One was trampled to death. Like lots of people on fire.

Oh, yeah. That's so scary. And then Nikolai was just on stage kind of being like, oh, awesome. Like watching everything. Like really kind of like excited and turned on. Adam Brody's evil. Spoiler alert. And it was literally like everybody

was on fire immediately, like really intense and scary and dark. And then but Needy and Jennifer were fine and they're like quick. And they had a weird shot of a toilet when they went to the bar. Do you remember that like toilet close up of this like really dirty, sticky sticker cover? It's because they stand on the toilet to get out of the bar. It's that like toilet close up of this like really dirty sticky sticker cover it's because they stand on the toilet to get out of the bar

oh thank god we saw that toilet before we understood otherwise we would have been really thrown where did the toilet come from they go outside through the window and it's like they're like wow that was so crazy people are still running out screaming on fire people are definitely dying

it's so awful it's really but Jennifer's kind of in a trance and the whole band is now outside as well and they're in their really creepy van and they basically adam brody comes over to jennifer and is like basically get in our van he's like yeah he's like you're in chalk here have a drink let's go back to my place and then she says says, I want to go to your really cool van. I wrote that down too because that was another one of her really brilliant lines. And so she gets

pushed into this van and it's obviously something really bad's going to happen to her. Right. Yeah. That was a nice tense sequence. She gets in and then like, you know, Needy's like, Jennifer, don't go. Like those guys are sketchy. And she's like, like, you're being lame. Like, I'm not going to let this fire and she's like like you're being lame Like I'm not gonna let this fire And this death of like dozens of people ruin My night out

That is basically what she said Determined and then it was and it's kind of like They have this long look and like the van door closes And it is really sad and it's kind of for a second I was like oh like you know maybe this like demonic Possession is gonna be sort of like a metaphor for like Rape or something and go like an interesting dark Way I think it was supposed

to be. Yeah, it was. And that was that was a good moment. That was like I liked that. Yeah. It was sad and dark. It was definitely upsetting. So then Amanda, I keep calling her Amanda. Her name's Needy or Amanda in this. I'm so sorry. I really go back and forth. She goes home

to her house. No one's there. She's there alone and she calls Chip to tell him one's there she's there alone And she calls Chip to tell him what Happened because she's freaking out This is a funny line too he goes He's like well did you get the make and model of the van And she goes I don't know an 89 rape Van

Really genius I decay Chip an 89 Rapist and then There's a knock on her door and she says, Jesus fries, there's someone here. Jesus fries? How inconsiderate of all the people that just burnt to death. I know.

Yeah, like they never call the, like they don't call the police. Yeah, that's what I was, can you just like leap? They just leap. They don't try to help any of the victims. Shouldn't the police come and like make a statement? No, it's weird. Certainly the fire department. Fire department. Weirdly not. We see them, they come later, but like the girls they don't. police come and make a statement? No. Certainly the fire department. Fire department. Weirdly not. We see them. They come later, but the girls they don't give a shit.

Maybe just go straight home. Yeah, maybe go straight home. So there's a very tense sequence where she goes down and opens her door and no one's on the porch. And then you know, we're like, it's very obvious that there's going to be a jump scare. Yeah. There was a knock on the door she goes down

there's also this weird sort of thing earlier in the film where when she's home she's home with her boyfriend chip needy and she's like oh jennifer's here and she kind of could tell jennifer arrived like 10 seconds before she rang the doorbell basically she feels her and she's like that's creepy how you do that but this time she wasn't able to sense the chance that jennifer is

there but yeah that's good because it establishes that there's some kind of like also strange connection between the two of them i forgot about that um i'm glad you brought that up so then all of a sudden there's a jump cut and jennifer is standing in the kitchen covered in blood oh my god looking wrecked really scary and like great makeup like this was like this was the the peak of the movie for me this whole sequence the sequence was very good it's very scary amanda's like jennifer like are you okay what happened and then jennifer just slowly smiles at her and blood drips out of her mouth and it's so creepy like really really really slow creepy smile. And like Megan Fox did she did a great job. It was like, you know,

really dead eyes, like slow creep like it was really. It was really scary. So then Jennifer runs over to the refrigerator, rips it open, takes out this rotisserie chicken, rips it open, gets on the ground and starts trying to eat it like

she's like a really scary animal and Amanda goes my mom got that at Boston Market we're not supposed to eat that and the Boston Market reference is perfect for 2009 oh Boston Market but Jennifer can't eat it so she's

like starts throwing it up and she starts vomiting this kind of like black tar shoots out and then it's sort of like projectile vomit it kind of like comes to life to like these weird little like like the black tar kind of like these little like needles and

bubbles and sort of moves around in the semi sentient kind of supernatural way exactly and then she runs at Needy and she pushes her up against the wall and she kind of like feels her up. She grabs her boob and

like sniffs her neck. Yeah, and then it's like, are you scared? And then Needy's like, really scared? And is like, yes. And then she throws her on the ground and runs out of the house. And that's kind of the end of that scene. If you're a new parent, a bad day means you either ran out of coffee, diapers, patience, or all of the above. Stocking up on cold brew

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of like a worse version of herself like she's worse version she's like meaner she's such a bitch it's actually I mean it's kind of funny like she's like hey what's up needy like stupid slut and she's like I mean she's such a bitch it's actually I mean it's kind of funny like she's like hey what's up needy like stupid slut and she's like what the hell Jennifer like what's going on she's like and um she's like are you like that was crazy last night she's like I spent the whole night like um like scrubbing the black tar off the kitchen floor like look at my nails and they're all like kind of black and she's like ah you really need a mani pedi and then they like cut to like poor like needy like literally sobbing hysterically in her kitchen like scrubbing it was kind of funny because like that was really sad it was really

sad um and their teacher they're in science class when this is happening and their teacher is jk simmons and he has a hook for a hand which is never brought up or referenced or necessary in the story but very strange his hand is a hook so just keep that in mind right not even like like you know like prosthetic grabber like a full on like like a pirate like a pirate it's a straight up pirate hook okay all right um and

that's when also we find out um in the class because you know he's talking about how this tragedy happened he says we lost nine students several parents and um i think it was 19. Oh, did he say 19? I wrote 19. It was like a really horrific. It sounds horrific and they just like

acted like so cavalier. Like it was nothing. I mean, Jennifer is super cavalier. It's funny. She's like, oh my God, they all died. She goes, anybody we know? And he's like, we know all of that. Oh my God. She's like we know all of that oh my god she's like who cares she's like whatever and then she goes you're overreacting and then she goes what's wrong with you besides

the obvious surface flaws oh my god she's such a bitch so she's really mean she's really really mean to needy okay um but needy that is what's interesting though is because she's obviously more mean than usual but clearly she's always kind of like this because Needy is just taking it and not really reacting. And that is interesting because that is a classic friendship archetype. One girl is kind of more dominant, controlling, and bitchy and takes advantage of it. And so it is interesting seeing that to this crazy supernatural degree. And I know we're not supposed to say what we wish had been, but I wish they'd explored that more and a smarter, more complex.

That's where I really thought they were going to go with it. And also, you know, the kind of like queer subtext, lesbian, the kind of stuff as well. Yeah. So they didn't really go that deep. They probably wanted to. And I bet that they just made them like. Like scale it back. Scale it back.

I'm guessing. Like if it was made today, they definitely would have been. More complex than it is. For sure. Um, then. We see the guy crying in class. His friend died. oh and he no he's crying on the football field oh he was crying class and then we then we see him on the football field crying and jennifer there are a few shots in this movie that are interesting they have some like very huge wide angle far away shots that

then like zoom in close to the person and that that doesn't happen that often. And there's not nothing really else aesthetically pleasing about the movie. So it stood out to you? So it stood out to me. So Jennifer starts flirting with this footballer who's standing on the field crying, mourning the loss of his friend. His friend Greg. And she's like, oh, like I was the last person to talk to Greg before he died. died and before he died he said that he thinks we'd be a really cute couple oh my god and he's like really he said that and she's like yeah and then she starts slowly unzipping her shirt i think

well she's like we should go we should go have sex that's what greg would have wanted like let's go into the woods and so they she brings him into the woods and then all the animals in the woods come and surround them in a circle and start watching them and the footballer is like uh what's going on calling him a footballer he's this huge man he's like like a linebacker. Huge man. And so you can kind of guess what happens next. But they start making out. There are animals everywhere. And then she takes her clothes off. And then she unhinges her jaw and goes at him.

It's a very scary moment of her turning into a demon. I found that whole sort of like the visuals and the effects really cheesy and kind of bad. It was like, you know, big jaw teeth and then kind of like weird quick cuts and I think her face is sort of black and red. And I don't know if it's just because it's 2009, but it was sort of like it was bad. Yeah, it was bad. So we know what's happening

there. And then the next scene is Amanda Seyfried's making a fried bologna sandwich while feeding her ferret what a nerd um and then jk simmons goes into the woods because he hears someone screaming and he finds the footballer on the ground with his stomach ripped open and all the woods animals from the woods eating out of his stomach. It's pretty gross.

Then there's a really cool shot of Jennifer swimming naked in the lake. This really wide, beautiful shot. You know, like Blue Lake. She's very pale and nude. And that was a cool shot. And then I don't really know. Oh, I guess she was swimming because she was washing all the blood off of her. Yeah. And then after that, it's sort of

like the movie kind of goes into a bit of a different like tone or drive and we see her um we see jennifer in front of the mirror we saw in the trailer she takes a lighter and like lights her tongue on fire and then it like heals and it's kind of like oh like we get it now like she's yeah she's she's a demon she's a demon now she's a demon she calls herself a god she says i'm a god. She says, I'm a god. And I guess there's then everyone in the town is really grieving because so many horrible things keep happening. There's a memorial service

for everyone and that band, The Low Shoulder or whatever with Adam Brody, their song Through the Trees has now become the town's unofficial anthem of unity and healing. Oh, boy. And Low Shoulder has become a very popular, successful band.

Are we seeing Low Shoulder? No, they're off screen. It's just referenced all the time. Are they alive still? Yeah. They're alive and they're doing really well. Okay. They're very successful.

I kind of assumed that when I first saw Jennifer, I thought that like- She killed them all. Yeah, the bloodhurt was theirs. Yeah. Which I assumed, too. But no, it seems like, you know, because of the small town with all these, you know, like, brutal murders, plus the bar

fire kind of became, like, a national story, and thus Low Shoulder sort of got famous, too, I guess. Yeah, they just got famous off the back of this tragedy. And I guess, yeah, Jennifer's acting all weird and evil, and Needy keeps getting gaslit by both her boyfriend and Jennifer. It's like you're overreacting.

Yeah, she's fine. You need to go talk to a counselor. Oh, there's a lot of that. Oh, I love that. Then we cut to one month later. Oh my God, so we're already only a month out from the asylum. Cut to one month later. Jennifer is not looking good.

She's back in class. She's wearing like sweatpants, no makeup. Pale. Pale, tired, really in a bitchy mood. She hasn't, basically she hasn't, she hasn't fed. Right. And I was wondering too, I was like, is this supposed to be like a metaphor for like menstruation, PMS?

Like I, cause she said stuff where she's like, I feel bloated. Like I don't feel good or something. They do make all of her symptoms very stereotypical PMS symptoms yeah so it's just a little there are a lot of things like that where it's like okay I don't know what that's and this is because she has to eat humans now and she hasn't I don't think she hasn't fed in the past month so what happens is that um there's this goth kid I don't know if you would call him goth. He's kind of like a cool punk kid who also wears a lot of eyeliner. It's kind of been implied earlier in

the movie, his name is Colin, that he might kind of like or Needy might kind of have a little bit of a crush on him. And so then Needy and Jennifer Jennifer walking down the hallway and Colin comes up and asks Jennifer out. And Jennifer's really, really mean to him. And Needy is like after he walks away, she's like, Jennifer, why? Why did you do that? Like, you're so mean. And Jennifer is like, I'm used to guys asking me out like whatever. And then and then Needy's like, I like Colin.

I think he's cool. And Jennifer then kind of like hears her say that. And it really pisses her off for some reason. And so then runs back up to Colin and is like, meet me at my house later tonight. Like, I want to I want to see you. my house later tonight like i want to i want to see you so later that night there's uh chip and needy are in needy's bedroom and they are about to have sex for the first time um and it's really cute and awkward and sweet and nice and so that scene is intercut with this other scene of Jennifer and Colin. So Colin shows up at Jennifer's quote unquote house.

Yeah, she texted him her address and it was like a house in her construction with like plastic sheeting and like very. Clearly not her house. Right. So he like goes inside this abandoned house and wanders upstairs and gets to the top to the attic. And there are all these candles lit everywhere. Yeah. Like plastic sheeting. It's kind of like a candle. Dexter's kill room.

Exactly. Dexter's kill room is ambiance. Yeah, basically. A romantic kill room. Romantic kill room. And Colin is like, this isn't your house, is it? And she goes, no, baby, this is our house. We can play mommy and daddy.

Oh, my God. Yeah. And she says all this stuff like with a really sort of flat tone, too. And she also does this funny kind of gaslighting thing where she's like, I've been giving you signals all year. Like, didn't you know I've always wanted you? And she does that, which is kind of a scary. He also I feel like he knows almost from the

second he walks in that house. He was like, he's in trouble. But the lengths you will go to the lengths you will go to to have sex with a hot girl with a hot girl. Yeah. So she's clearly evil. Like, I mean, it's like pretty obvious that she's evil. And then

she says another crazy thing. She says you give me such a weddy. Oh yeah. I don't like that. I love that. Oh my God. It's so gross. I hate that. I hate that. That is really nasty. So much. I hate it.

I hate it so much. I hate that. So keep in mind this is intercut with Amanda and her boyfriend having really sweet nice sex and then Jennifer Colin and Jennifer are looking at each other and Jennifer's eyes like flick into

demon eyes and then Colin is like no way still doesn't run away also like no way what does he get what also like still isn't scary enough does he get what that means like yeah that's a good point like yes way bitch

um and then she breaks his arm oh and she says i need you frightened oh yeah she's like i need you i need you hopeless i need you scared yeah and starts like pennywise yeah and starts like Pennywise. Yeah. And starts like Pennywise. Yeah.

Pennywise. Starts really like torturing him, basically. And then Amanda and her boyfriend are having sex and she starts to like see it happen. She like, yeah, like has visions. She's starting to have visions of Jennifer. Oh, fuck. Killing that guy. Yeah.

And there was a really cool shot where they had it kind of behind the plastic sheeting is where we kind of saw. And the way she killed him is that Jennifer used her teeth to literally just rip up his stomach skin and would kind of flip it back with her hair flipping and the blood kind of flying up. It was a cool, gory visual.

Yeah, you just see their silhouettes. It's very intense. And then she um and then she's like crouches over him and cups her hand into his like open stomach hole and like gets like a little like cup handful of blood and guts and like like slurps it out like that was kind of funny too so amanda is seeing all this happen and her boyfriend all of a sudden realizes that she's freaking out and she's and he's And he's like, what's wrong? And then he goes, am I too big?

Oh, my God. No, honey, that's not it. No, no. Good guess, but no. So Amanda freaks out, runs out of the bed, runs out of her bedroom, like throws clothes on, runs downstairs, gets in her car. Runs out of her bedroom, like throws clothes on, runs downstairs, gets in her car because I guess she's going to go try to find Jennifer and figure out what's going on. She turns the car on. She first thing she hears is that low shoulder song, which has become the anthem.

And she's like, fuck you. And that was that made me laugh and then so she's in the car and then all of a sudden she sees jennifer crawl out of the woods and like run right in front of her car and so amanda swerves um to miss her and then jennifer like lands on top of her car and it's scary and then she drives away and like gets her off the car basically um and then she goes home right so yeah then she just drives home with like a shattered windshield yeah and then jennifer shows up and this is the kind of like this is like their big sort of scene between the two of them she's like what the hell jennifer like you've been really weird ever since that fire yeah so jennifer is all of a sudden shows up in her room and is completely fine and normal like when she saw her on the in the middle of the road she's covered in blood and looks like a demon and is so scary and then you know 10 minutes later is completely back to normal

in her bed like just in her like underwear basically really low underwear too another low-cut underwear experience. And she's like, come on, we used to always have sleepovers together. Like the stopping's so like annoying. She's like, we always sleep in the same bed when we have sleepovers. And then she kisses

her and they start making out. Oh yeah. That happens before the fight then? Well, I think she tries to confront her and then immediately is seduced by Jennifer. And then there's this like five minute long silent

makeout scene. Oh, that was the most interesting part is it was silent. They removed every sound. Haley and I both were like, is it like the volume wrong? We kept trying to turn the volume up. It was silent for a good 60-90 seconds. Wow, 60-90. 60-90 seconds.

And they're just like really making out? It's very gratuitous kissing. It's literally just a shot of their lips. Like a close-up of their lips. Close-up of their lips making out. I don't know how I feel about this because on one hand, I'm like, wow, this is a great example Of like queer horror but it's Not really developed

Enough to make it feel that it's anything More than just like two hot girls making Out right I think yeah I think it's Supposed to kind of confirm our Suspicion that needy Has into jazz has like Sexual feelings for Jennifer yeah and Then and then this is what needy is like what the hell are you doing

Like what the hell is going on even so weird since like the van like what happened i'm dying to know jennifer's like by the way those guys were like pure evil like literally like agents of satan evil direct line what she said so then we see her in the van um adam brody's driving he's clearly the ringleader. She looks around the van and she sees these books like one of them is titled Witches. Another one is titled The Occult World. And that's when she starts putting together that maybe these guys aren't great. And she says, are you guys rapists?

And then Adam Brody responds and he says, God, I hate girls. So clearly awful, awful awful awful humans and then one of the guys is like are you sure she's even a virgin and she's like yeah i'm a virgin like i'm really bad at sex like you should find somebody else who's more experienced to like rape kind of basically yeah oh it was awful and so then they drag her into the woods they tie her up right next to the the devil's kettle right next to the waterfall um and they're there to do the quote-unquote ritual um that's when the other guys start being like i don't know if this is a good idea like they start having second thoughts um start having doubts and adam brody is like come on guys do you want to be rich and awesome like that guy from Maroon

5 or lame forever and all the guys look at each other and they're like Maroon 5 you're right you make a compelling argument yeah and Jennifer's like what are you doing and he's like do you have any idea how hard it is to make it as an indie band these days and so basically surmise that he's like they're

doing a virgin sacrifice to stay in to become rich and famous. And it is like, I mean, I think it's a really clever, interesting thing where it's like what if it's a virgin sacrifice and she's not a virgin. Right. Yes. Which is where. But also they do

get rich and famous. No, they do. They, I guess it still works. It's just that she doesn't actually die and said a demon inhabits her body So they okay We'll keep going Then they do this weird thing where he's like Gonna stab her and he's like wait a minute

We shouldn't do this and then they all sing this song Together I've never heard this song before Jenny I got your number or That song that's with the phone number And Jenny what's it called 675309 It was a different song I kind of vaguely feel like I know Yeah, that song that's with the phone number and Jenny. What's it called? 8-6-7-5-3-0-9? No, it was a different song. Oh, I kind of vaguely feel like I know.

I mean, all these guys knew it. They all broke into it at the same time. They all broke into a song and then they stab her and it's kind of creepy. Yeah, so this was, I thought, interesting because it's like they're all having such a fun time and they're laughing and it's like such a lark for them and she's literally being murdered and is incredibly awfully traumatizing

and I think that's I mean that's a good very obvious metaphor for her. So they do kill her they kill Jennifer in that moment. Yeah and they he reads some sort of like Three sentence long like Sia and I sacrifice this virgin to you

Like some quick thing And then she dies And then they stab her So the blood was her own And when she's telling this story To Needy she says They went all Benihana on my ass Yeah that was funny

There's a lot of lines It's very like Diablo Cody She says, they went all Benihana on my ass. Yeah, that was funny. There's a lot of lines. It's very Diablo Cody. That's fun. And then did something happen with the devil's kettle? They throw the knife into devil's kettle. He throws the knife down it, right? That's why they do it there is to get rid of the murder weapon.

Okay. Got it. And so then she crawls away. I guess they think she's died. They leave. They think she's died. They leave. They think she's died. And then she crawls out of the forest and runs into Ahmed, the exchange student from India, who everyone had thought had died in the fire. Oh, yeah. And she's like, does anyone know you're alive? And he's like, no. And she's like, come with me. and so that's her first meal so i think she sorry she

she must go to needy's first has that whole interaction with needy then when she runs away then she runs into akmed and has her first meal and that's why she's totally fine the next day yeah because it's like rejuvenating yeah it's showing it's kind of like filling in the gaps for us from that yeah and then she goes to needy's right after she's become a demon and she can't eat the chicken because the chicken is a chicken. Not a human. The Boston market. And then.

And then. She can't even enjoy Boston market. And then the next day at school. That's the kind of end of it. Right. Yeah. So she's. That's when she tells.

She tells needy like I'm unkillable. Like I can heal. You know, watch this. Check this out. Cuts her arm and it heals and she says it's like x-men shit and then um needy goes to the library and goes to the occult section at her school library yeah and like looks it up and i think i wrote this down too where it's like she figured out what happened in something called demonic transference it's

what happens when you try to sacrifice a virgin which is not a virgin so the demon stays in her soul which is like not that's all just completely made up like that's not I've never heard that before that's like I mean but it sounded like enough like sort of a cold gobbledygook like demonic transfer and that is a clever premise like what happens if it's not a virgin like I thought that was smart

and she figures out the only way to kill her is a blade to the heart yeah so then she goes to her boyfriend again to be like things are bad with jennifer jennifer is evil um and she's like not like high school evil like actually evil and then chip once again doesn't believe her right um and tells her that she needs to go get counseling right um. And so she, I guess she's basically trying to convince him

not to go to the school dance because there's a school dance happening. He's like, it's going to be like a feeding frenzy for Jennifer at the school dance. Like, don't go. So in order to protect Chip, she decides to break up with him. No reason to go to the dance.

So he'll have no reason to go to the dance. Single and sad. Yeah, so he'll have no reason to go to the dance. So then, the B-cut to everyone getting ready for the dance. And there's a funny scene between Chip and his mom where his mom comes into his room and gives him a can of pepper spray. And he's like, oh, mom, I don't need this. He's like, that's like a girl weapon or something. Yeah. And she's like, did you see't need this he's like that's like a girl weapon or something like yeah and she's like did did you see what they did to that boy's body and he's like i know they tore

him from limb to limb and like takes the pepper spray mom you're so overprotective and then he and then he goes i can take care of myself i've been using the bow flex oh my god it is kind of it's like all these people have been brutally murdered and cannibalized. And also, wasn't that guy like a huge footballer as we said? Yes. Like Chip's buddy. No. People don't seem like the town should be on lockdown. Like there's a cannibal murder out there after this horrible fire. No, Chip's mom also, even though she's

trying to tell him to be safe, she's so cavalier about it too. Everyone's just like, whatever. So Amanda's wearing a really heinous pink prom dress prom dress absurdly ugly dress they don't really she's a dork it's the ugliest dress i've ever seen and then chip is walking to the dance alone through a dark park misty park dark misty park and he's accosted by jennifer and she does that creepy thing where she's like she you didn't hear me? I was calling your name. And it's like,

no, she wasn't. No, she wasn't. She's got like a white prom dress on, kind of. And she's like, I need to talk to you about Needy. And then basically says, what did she say? She's like, Needy cheated on you. Yeah, Needy's never liked you. Like, I've always been in love with you or some

whatever. And then starts seducing him. Yeah, and she's like follow me she takes his hand And she takes him to I don't know where This place was but they went to this like abandoned Pool basically that was like covered in like Kind of half filled with like green swampy water And all these vines it was like an underground pool And then she takes him there and then

Needy gets like a spidey sense Basically with her weird telepathic Thing where she's like uh oh like Something bad's happening to the Chip she's about to do something so she like runs out of the prom and she's running to basically where they are and then we cut to Jennifer and Chip in the in the pool and I don't know she's

killing him being creepy at this point we're kind of both over the movie at this point in all honesty yeah well because the movie's almost over and it's like that's the it's like oh that's it yeah exactly so they're in the pool she's they're kissing each other and then

he's like I don't know if I want to do this and she's like what why and then she starts attacking him and then needy runs in and fights her off of jumps into the pool fights off Jennifer while chip is like bleeding out in the

corner oh damn he's been kind of ripped open and he's like Betty believes her now and then Jennifer does this insane hovering out of the pool she shoots out of the pool it's almost like you know when people have like those like water jetpack

water jetpack and then chip is like whoa she's flying and he's like not even that forget and then he's like she's not flying chip she's just hovering like don't like yeah she

like tries to belittle her supernatural power basically and that is kind of funny because Jennifer's like why do you always have to like belittle me like mm-hmm and then they kind of

have like um it's I mean it's funny because it's sort of like you know those like female best friends or sort of also like enemies having a fight where it's like, why do you always have to like belittle me? Like, and then they kind of have like, it's, I mean, it's funny because it's sort of like, you know, those like female best friends or sort of also like enemies having a fight where it's like, you've always been, you've always been jealous of me. Like, you know, you're the insecure one. Yeah. She's needy says, you know, this is our big confrontation. She's like, you were never a good friend. And then Jennifer is like, well, now I'm eating your boyfriend.

At least I'm consistent. And then needy goes at her and is like, maybe you were cool two years ago when you were socially relevant and didn't need laxatives to stay skinny. Oh my God. Holy shit. It was like they were being really mean to each other. Like a really bad friend fight.

Yeah. Really, really bad. Yeah. I mean, because their friendship is toxic. Like, I think friendship is not a good friendship. friendship Yeah it was toxic before the demon And then the demon just kind of like made it A million times worse You know by like killing her boyfriend Yeah like how it goes with the demon

It's so much more complicated And then Needy says She's about to be attacked by Jennifer And she says I thought you only murdered boys And then Jennifer says I go both ways And then Chip impales Jennifer with like a like a pool skimmer like the metal handle like through her stomach

but then but it's got to be a blade to the heart yeah then Jennifer just pulls it out and then um wait does does Jennifer say this I wrote this line down she says got a tampon seem like you might be plug in yes Jennifer did say that when her like when she pulled the guys these lines

right I mean can you even believe them a lot of like also what tampon is the size of a pool skimmer the lines were always like the line some of the lines kind of ruined it for me because like they were supposed to like you know so sort of like like wink wink yeah like wink wink clever wordplay but they were

just kind of felt like I was like that's not doesn't quite land. It kind of took you out of the movie, too. And then I think Jennifer escapes. So then Jennifer gets away, and then Chip bleeds out. Chip dies. They have a really sad moment where they say they love each other, because they really did love each other, I think.

I never really bought them as a couple. Well, I did. I did. I thought they were cute together. I thought they were cute together. I thought they were cute together. So that was sad. He dies. And then Needy goes to Jennifer's house, goes up into her bedroom and attacks Jennifer

and stabs her with a knife. Yeah, they have this crazy, they're fighting and also then Jennifer's like hovering at one point kind of like kind of flooding like flat on her back and then Needy's kind of like straddling her. So it's sort hovering at one point Kind of like Kind of flooding like flat on her back and then Needy's kind of like straddling her So it's sort of like they're kind of like Sexual fighting in the air

And then there's a thing about that's a both have like BFF Necklaces and I think the necklace gets pulled Off and that's a very dramatic moment Okay and then she stabs her in the heart And she kills her and then Jennifer's mom walks in the bedroom And sees her on top of tell her about Jennifer's last line

oh oh my gosh she gets stabbed in the chest and she goes my tit my tit and then no your heart oh my god and then the mom walks in and it's like okay

we get it Needy's gonna go to a Satan asylum. They're gonna think she's the one who killed all the men in town. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, so then she goes to the mental asylum and then the last scene is her breaking out of the mental asylum because you find out that she has supernatural powers that she's received from Jennifer. Killing Jennifer.

When Jennifer, like, she killed her, Jennifer bit her, I guess, in some of her powers. No, no, no, like, in the voice of no there's something like stupid bogus Like it's like she's like oh But you didn't know that when you kill a demon you actually absorb Some of their demonic soul and it's like Another like just like fake occult Demon role that's not

So you see her hovering In the mental asylum just like How Jennifer was and then she Uses her powers to break out And she hitchhike Hitchhikes gets in the car like how Jennifer was and then she uses her powers to break out and she hitchhikes gets in the car of a creepy man and she says she's going to see a rock

band she likes. Obviously implying she's going to kill low shoulder. Right. Low shoulder also performed at the prom which I thought was I thought like like I thought Jennifer was going to get her revenge and kill all of them. That I thought was weird. I don't get Jennifer was gonna get her revenge And kill all of them that I thought was Weird I don't get why Jennifer didn't kill the band

That was a huge logical missed Opportunity if they're at prom Like already performing like what a waste No wouldn't your very first thing You would do is go find low shoulder And kill them right you want to like get Revenge on the people that's Jennifer Didn't really everyone care

Jennifer was like psyched that she was a demon, right? Yeah, I guess so, actually. But still... You might be psyched you're a demon, but you'd still be pissed that those people did that to you. Maybe she's just, like, not her anymore, I guess. Yeah. But I thought that if this was... Because everyone keeps calling it now, they keep calling it, like,

it's actually a revenge fantasy movie and that's one of the more positive things about it. It's not. But she doesn't get revenge on it. But it's not really. Men? I guess she gets revenge on all the men who have kind of objectified her in a way. But it's not done in a way that's very effective.

It doesn't feel like they've played up enough. I haven't seen it. But at the top that that is happening to her. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's like a really like the whole kind of, you of you know oh she's not a virgin like kind of feminist like you know the friendship like it has a lot of really great like ideas and kind of like a really great base and a really great bones basically but it doesn't like when they're in the kitchen that's kind of where it peaked when i thought it was gonna be

this really smart complex and i thought it was gonna get really kind of like violent and gory and i was like can't wait for her to kill you know adam brody and the band that are coming for they these kind of friendships like like hit it but it didn't really I mean it kind of just like yeah let's remake it I mean just kind of like spluttered out at the end there yeah that's how I felt too

um well Adam Brody is about to be in another similar movie he's in what's it Promising Young Woman did you guys watch that trailer you sent us the trailer and I never watched it. No, but he's also in that Ready or Not movie. Yep, yep, yep. But Promising

Young Woman is literally about, it's Carrie Mulligan and she, like, pretends to black out at bars and then whatever guys try to take advantage of her, she murders them. Oh, we watched this at my house. Oh, fuck yeah. And Adam Brody is one of the guys that she kills. That does look look that looks good that sounds fun yeah so we'll see if the kind of a similar concept is executed better in 2019 2020

2020 yeah oh my god i bet it will be i think so i mean this movie was ahead of its time in its own way i mean i just do love the idea of like um like a men having to be terrified of a woman i mean that's the the main you know metaphor going on there they're not enough they're and they're not they're not enough horror movies that are from the perspective of women generally and so that's unusual about this movie and exploring teenage friendships or just female friendships but especially younger female friendships is rife with opportunity for horror films because it's a scary world out there. Hell is a teenage girl.

It's really true. It is. Being a teenager was a horrible time. Probably for everybody but girls are really mean. Girls are so fucking mean to each other and this movie kind of touches on it but it doesn't Yeah. And this movie kind of, it touches on it, but it doesn't

get into it in any kind of interesting way in my point of view. I mean, we both felt like it could have really gotten deeper, explored more stuff. It kind of touched upon stuff and then it really didn't go any further. And then it was so predictable. That was the biggest problem for me. It was like, obviously she's killing guys

in town, like, you know, she kills these guys. Like, oh, she's killing anybody that sort of Needy likes. And then, obviously... She's going to go after Needy's boyfriend. She's going to kill her boyfriend. So, Needy's going to have to kill her. And then... And you would know she's in the insane asylum from the beginning.

Yeah. So, that's given away right in the beginning. She only killed her after she killed her boyfriend. Like, it almost would have been more interesting if she's like, someone has to stop this person who's also my friend. Like, I have to do it. Right was just yeah it was i don't know what did you guys think i mean i'm i'm like intrigued yeah but i'm glad that i know to to change my expectations i think i will still watch it um because it sounds yeah like i said like kind

of splitting the difference between the two things that it's like not totally shitty but it's also not like a big feminist masterpiece no yeah exactly yeah i guess i'm like so much promise unfulfilled is like kind of a bummer because i it does sound like it could be so fucking cool i wonder how much was yeah like in the production of it what like what they allowed them to do and if they had to tone anything down i'm sure they did i'm sure like maybe they had more interesting stuff in there and then all the dudes in charge were like, no, I'm sure. Take that out. Like I wonder if there's more like female friendship stuff and they're like, no, we

want more of like her being sexy and evil and killing boys. Yeah. Because that's the majority of her time on the screen. And also once it happens once, like we get it. Like she's killing these boys. Like we don't need to see it again. Right. I mean, she does like Megan Fox is good.

She does that sort of like that creepy Valley Girl dark thing she does. Like it's a good role for her. Yeah. I'm sure at the time it maybe felt more. Yeah. If I saw it in 2009, it would have been like, I've never seen anything like this before. So in the box review um it talks about how when jennifer's body premiered it was viewed as a sex romp for straight teen boys um and that's how it

was marketed and so it was a failure because that's not what the movie is actually like it's like the opposite of that yeah and so instead what jennifer's body offers up is um in response to the trauma and tragedy of what happened to jenn Jennifer in the van is the cathartic fantasy of what happens next of Jennifer turning her trauma against her attackers of her using her victimized violated body to wreak bloody vengeance on the patriarchy.

I love the idea of that, but I don't think that's actually what happens in the movie. No, it's not. It's like the base concept of the movie, but it's not really like... It's what you think would happen when you start watching. the the boys that she kills too are they haven't they're only they haven't necessarily wronged her no they haven't done anything wrong the thing that they are their downfall is the fact that they are allow themselves to be seduced by her right well thanks for listening guys wow my first movie that I

went through it wasn't scary like what was it like what was would you say was the scariest part I think the fire sounds like the scariest part I think that was the most like the most like real scary yeah that's just like a fucking terrifying thought unexpectedly horrifying and intense because it came out

wasn't even supernatural no not what was kind of weird too that is weird that it wasn't um anyway anything else you guys no that's it that's it that's it that's all folks thanks so happy to be here can't wait for number four

number four um well this episode comes out on new year's day so happy 2020, everyone. Oh, my God. 2020, and that's our 20th episode. It's our 20th episode. Wow.

We planned it perfectly. 2020. This is a big plan. Wow, I really hope this year is okay. Me too. I have a good feeling. This year is the year I'm going to get into Pilates and stop drinking too much. Yay.

Oh, I love this. Okay. Today, and I was briefly in a gym, briefly, and a woman was mentioning to her friends in the locker room that she's going to moisturize more in the new year. I like that. And I was like, honestly, yeah. I think we should have realistic goals like that one. Yeah, I would love to just be better about moisturizing in 2020.

I'm going to do a dry January. Impressive. And I'm going to up the amount of books that I read. I read 33 books this year. Sammy, that's a lot of books. I'm going to go for at least 36 next year. 36 books. You can do that.

I think I can do it. You can definitely do that. Yeah. Oh, I love that. Wait, now I need a better one. Ah, fuck. I don't know. I don't know i don't know moisturizing is pretty good it's important it's important i mean i guess um i guess overall

well i'll i'll lump that into a bigger thing which could be just like paying more attention to my needs and trying to meet them yes right now my skin needs moisture yeah good place to start that need but that's going to be the overall, yeah, just like paying, being more present with myself. Love it. Great. Well,

it's going to be a fucking good year. It's going to be a fucking good year. This is also the year for collaging. Oh, we're going to collage. That's the thing that we are going to do. Vision boards. We're going to moisturize and collage. Big year.

Big, big year for us. Really breaking the mold for women in 2020 okay well we love you all we love you so much can't wait to spend this year with you and goodbye hey everyone it's henley thanks for listening to another episode of Too Scary to Watch. If you enjoyed listening to us chat about Jennifer's body, head on over to Apple Podcasts, where you can subscribe, rate us, leave us a review. We would love to hear from you. We are also on social media at Twitter and Instagram at TSDW Podcast.

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