Too Scary; Didn't Watch - JOY RIDE with Kurt Schmidt
Episode Date: March 20, 2024Get out your CB radios, we're recapping JOY RIDE with Kurt Schmidt (Physical Therapy: A Movie Podcast)!! Paul Walker, Steve Zahn and Leelee Sobieski star in this perfect 2001 horror/thriller.... We're coming for you Canddyyyy Canneeeee!!!TrailerMovie stats @ 13:04Recap @ 26:31Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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This is a HeadGum Podcast.
This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch.
Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves.
I'm Emily, and I am too scared to watch scary movies.
I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies.
I'm Sammy, and I love watching scary movies, and so I watch them so that you don't have to.
And we've got a fun one today. It's going to be a fun ride or something along those lines.
But if you want to jump straight to the recap, we have timestamps in the episode description.
Because first, I got to know if anything scary happened to us this week.
So what I'm going to say will be extra scary because there's actual wind blowing through this house right now in such a spooky way.
I don't know if you guys can hear it.
I feel like the audio will probably pick it up.
It sounds like, ooh, in the background.
And I can only imagine it's the ghost of Paul Walker is with us right now.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
He's here.
He's here.
us right now oh my god oh my god he's here he's here um uh so the all right so the listeners came in strong for me with lunch recommendations i put out a call um yeah you guys really responded
and it helped me so much i have so many ideas for lunch. I don't know what I would do without you.
So I have an equally stupid thing to ask. It's not stupid, but you know. Okay. Socks.
This is interesting. I want to talk about socks because I love this. I have so many fucking socks. I'm looking at this wire shelf I bought literally just for my fucking socks and it's filled with them and I hate them. I hate every
single sock that's in there. It's overstuffed. Yes. I can barely open the drawers. Yes. I have
so many. My sock drawer is so full and I and I But yes, I have so many.
My sock drawer is so full and I never feel like I have the socks that I need.
There's a real hierarchy to socks.
But I still keep all those socks I don't need.
Like, what am I doing with all these socks I hate?
And I have so many times attempted to sit down and be like, OK, we are going to be cold hearted about this.
We are throwing out these socks.
We are throwing them out. We're starting fresh. We are throwing out these socks. We are throwing
them out. We're starting fresh. We're starting fresh. I do it. I don't even make a dent. I don't
even know what is going through my head. I keep them. I just keep them. And I think this is a
perfectly good sock. I cannot throw this sock away. But I hate them. I hate all of them. So
is there like a strategy? Is there a formula? Do I need a certain amount of wool socks,
a certain amount of cotton socks, a certain amount of colored socks? Is there someone out
there who's doing this research for me who can tell me where to buy them? Who can tell me how
many I really need realistically in my life? Because like I have too many. I hate them.
I just don't know what to do. And also, how do you store them? Where do you guys keep your socks?
don't know what to do and also how do you store them where do you guys keep your socks it is yeah very funny i recently a pair of socks that i really hate finally got holes in them and i was
like thank god i can like finally throw them away like why did i feel we need to we have no control
over our socks they control us they decide it's hard socks are hard to write there is a hierarchy of socks and it's like
why couldn't i know which socks i have are the good like the socks i like and why can't all my
socks be socks i like i will because they're i'm not a control the socks are where do you guys keep
your socks in a sock drawer but which do you have like a dresser and one whole drawer is devoted to socks?
Is that?
I've got socks, underwears, and bras in one drawer.
And it is a pretty full drawer.
And most of the stuff in there, I do hate it.
Across the board.
Underwear, socks, and bras.
There's a lot that I hate in all of those.
Yeah.
I'd have socks and sports bras and tights
and it's full
to the brim
we could have a whole other conversation about tights
I mean we will but it just can't be now
because I also
we will
we will get there
I don't know
what to do I thought about for Tim's birthday
I thought about his birthday present being throwing out all his socks.
Because he, I know, feels the same way I do.
And I think he would have been really honestly thrilled for that to have happened.
But I couldn't bear it.
I couldn't see him go in the trash.
Would it make you feel better to take him to a clothing recycling place like h&m does clothing drop off you can yeah you can take
clothes nasty old ratty clothes that then they just like recycle into new material i'm feeling
inspired i think i'm gonna do this because i hate so many things in that drawer
it's a dark place um yeah okay good i'm glad we're on the same page about this
that makes me feel better great emily what about you anything scary um well first i just want a
little update the bird that lives in our lemon tree had her babies and we've got two little baby birds so far so good
so fingers crossed phew that's wait that also that's really exciting i i was kind of worried
i was worried for cynthia we were worried for cynthia too oh that's her name by the way is
cynthia i don't remember if i said that last week um but so far we were starting to feel like is
she doing it right we're like she's just sitting
there all the time i haven't seen any eggs i don't know what's going on like maybe she doesn't know
what she's doing and then wow babies so i'm really happy for her congrats congrats cynthia um i mean
the scary thing you guys know i had a little too much to drink last night You know just fine it happens
And we have to record the podcast today
And sometimes I'll be honest you guys
Sometimes one of us can't make it
Because we had a little too much to drink the night before
Because we record this podcast on Sunday mornings
It happens
But I was like I'm not missing it today
And I went and for the second time in my life
I went and got an IV drip
For my hangover um and
i guess what's scary is that i would do it every time like i'm like i have found a cure
to feeling hungover i am such a baby i hate i hate feeling sick you can also do it when you're sick
when you have a cold all sorts of stuff man and truly i would take a shot every single day of my life if it meant i
was i was never gonna get a cold like i would do that like i hate i hate feeling even the tiniest
bit under the weather yeah and i it's like not great for me that i know that i can just go and
do this i mean i'll never intentionally be
hung over so that like no it doesn't make me feel like there's no consequences but it's not an
inexpensive thing to do no but you know what sometimes you gotta get your shit together
and be ready to record a podcast any tax professionals out there let us know if we
can write that off can i write it off i did i was doing it for work i had to get it for work
a medical expense for work it's a it it honestly is what are the vitamins that are in the in the
i feel like there's all different kinds to feel like there's all different kinds to choose from
there's all different kinds to choose from um usually in the like hangover one they give you
some zofran they give you some uh heartburn they give you some um uh i think some like pain painkillery but um then it's like vitamin b uh electrolytes
oh so nice so so here's what else my my deranged brain thinks is like this is like a really healthy
thing for me to do that's good for you because yeah because not only do I hate feeling hung over it's like this this will like give back to my
body what I'm missing
and I am obsessed with that
I'm like I actually I actually have
to do this for my body like it's like
sad and bad to my body to not
do it
so it's a flawless logic
I don't see any holes
there's no holes
well there's one hole where they put the
shot in i i also i'll say i went to a place to do it this time great place you're you know the
people who do it are nurses lovely nurses i love nurses um they're my favorite medical professionals
and don't one time i had a lady uh one time i had a lady come into my house and that was also great. So you got a lot
of options. I'm just saying.
We don't
want to poison ourselves. That's no good.
But should you find yourself in that
position, you could
explore this. Just saying.
I'm not even hungover. I wish
I had a drip right now.
Right?
You can get a whenever.
You can truly get a whenever.
Didn't Gwyneth Paltrow come under serious fire for saying that she got some kind of insane drip every day?
She said that she was getting some vitamins that no one had ever heard of before.
And everyone was like, we need to stop getting health advice from gwyneth paltrow
i mean that's true like we stopped once she was putting things in her vagina right wasn't that
when everyone kind of decided not to listen to her medical advice so sammy tell tell us
tell us about you well i wanted to say quick, a thank you to everyone who watched the program on Netflix.
It went to number one.
Number one.
Yeah, baby.
In streaming.
Number three globally.
Insane.
That's crazy.
Think about how many things are on Netflix and how it was number one out of all of them.
It was really wild.
I've never edited anything that people really watched.
It's a kind of a crazy feeling,
but then it's actually led to them opening an investigation into Wally.
And so really best case scenario here.
This is like the goal of the doc series.
So TBD where that that goes but very cool that
that happened and so yeah thank you to everyone who watched it and um if you haven't watched it
check it out the program on netflix cons cults and kidnapping but i had a medical thing as well
that you reminded me of which is that i have a medication for ulcerative colitis that's like annoyingly expensive through my insurance.
And so I tried to get it through Mark Cuban's Cost Plus Drugs Company.
Oh, my God.
You told me that he had a I cannot believe this is a real thing.
This is we are living in a dystopia.
It's so bad. And so yeah, I was just shaken by the fact that I was turning to a billionaire for help.
But it turns out that it was even more expensive through his company, probably not more expensive
than if I had no insurance. But oh, no insurance, but I thought it was going to be
cheaper than my insurance and it was not. But I had to go back and forth between my doctor and
my insurance and the company like four times before I finally figured it out. And insurance
stuff makes me so mad and it's so scary and I hate it so much it's so awful i ended up just sticking with what i already was
doing and so a big old waste of time thanks a lot mark cuban yeah thanks mark so he's got some
making up to do mark if you're listening mark make the drugs cheaper mark make them even cheaper
it's still not cheap enough
it's not cheap enough for us maybe for you mark but come on um but something else scary i did
this week was watch a scary movie as i do every week never gets old god i love them thank god and this week's movie was joyride it came out in 2001
directed by john doll written by clayton tarver and jj abrams starring paul walker steve zahn
and lily sobieski and is available to rent on amazon and we have a guest with us today. Emily, tell us who's with us here.
I'm going to tell us. It's the reason I had to get my ass to the Ivy Clinic and get ready to do
this podcast because I'm so excited for our guest this week. He's a director, a dear friend, a lover of movies, and host of Physical Therapy, a movie podcast.
Welcome to the podcast, Kurt Schmidt.
Hello. This is an honor. Thank you very much, guys.
Wow. The honor is all ours. And I am just going to go ahead and say real quick that your name is
Kurt. But that is not what I call you. Your nickname in our friend group is Marty and it feels insane to call you
Kurt. And so I won't be doing it.
And to all the listeners who hear me calling you Marty,
that it's still you that I'm talking to, but I just, I has to,
I can't do it. So sorry if that's confusing, but Hey Marty,
I'm so glad you're here.
I have to say that I have heard so much about you. And this is the very first
time I've ever heard that your real name is Kurt. Many people don't know that. Yeah. I had no idea.
Can you explain the nickname or is it too complicated? When I first moved to LA,
I lived in Joel's garage in Culver City. And I had never met Joel or a couple of our other roommates. And
I introduced myself as Kurt, left the room for a while, came back and our roommate James
asked me, he said, what was your name again? Carl? And I said, no, it's Kurt. And he was like,
oh yeah, I knew it was something with a K, Kmart. And so they called me Kmart for months and then Kmart turned into Carl
Martin which
turned into Marty
which turned
briefly into Smarty Marty
and then Smarty Marty's Farty Party
and then
back to Marty so
I'll take Marty
I love it what a journey
well Marty did anything scary happen to you this week?
Can my answer be launching a podcast for the first time?
Absolutely.
That is a scary thing.
It was scary.
We're all familiar with that feeling.
Sammy, you've been such a beacon for me launching a show.
Thank you for all your help.
It's been my absolute pleasure.
in for me launching a show. Thank you for all your help. It's been my absolute pleasure.
I love to feel like the endless research I have done can help others. It really did. It saved me a lot of time. Wait, tell me about physical therapy. I don't tell me everything. So physical
therapy is a movie podcast and it's inspired by the world of physical media. So we talk about movies primarily,
but the movies we are talking about are inspired by recent reissues or new releases on Blu-ray or
4K. And I co-host it with my friends, Sam and Bobby, and they are equally as obsessed and
hopeless as I am. Wait, I'm just realizing are those dvds
next to you where you're recording blu-rays baby they're blu-rays oh i've this whole time thought
that they were books and now i'm just adjusting my eyes i'm realizing no that's a blu-ray
collection full library of blu-rays marty how many Blu-rays do you have? Roughly.
There's boxes downstairs of alphabetized and numbered.
There's a spreadsheet. They're very meticulously categorized.
I'm going to say 700.
Damn.
Wow.
That's impressive.
Marty is also our friend with a home theater.
And we have watched many of Blu-ray in there.
And it's a real delight.
The Marty Max.
The Marty Max is a special place.
It really is.
We should do Joyride at some point.
We can give it some time.
But Emily, I think you need to see this movie.
I was going to say, I presume you have it Blu-ray oh yeah i have it right here great yeah
i've never heard of this movie but i gotta say i love the cast huge fan of the cast great cast
but before we get into this movie i want to know about your personal relationship to scary movies
um i know you're a big movie lover in general, but how do you feel about scary movies?
So honestly, there's something,
honestly, scary movies are something
I feel like I'm getting more and more into lately.
I think they used to be something I would,
I would see the classics,
but I would kind of avoid things that were gross
or the kind of low budget stuff was not something i was very interested in
growing up but lately i've i've really cracked into like bad sequels and hellraiser budget stuff
i mean it's a great sequel but i have a box set of the hellraiser ones i haven't seen the sequels yet
but i did watch you gotta nine halloweens last year and it was that was kind of the gateway drug for me was the the really bad
halloween sequels nice which is which one's the worst six great the paul rudd one is the worst
i did not know paul was in it me neither's very funny. He plays the grown-up kid that Jamie Lee Curtis is babysitting in the original.
Oh.
Whoa.
That's fun.
Okay.
Well, too bad it's bad.
But I love horror movies.
I think they're kind of the best example of the format.
Watching a horror movie, you're so into it.
It is viscerally engaging
in a way that most other movies aren't.
I think they're very special.
I've come to really appreciate them.
Do you have a favorite horror movie?
Very special.
The Shining.
It's a really good one.
Emily, is that your favorite?
Or no, that's your scariest scariest i think it's the scariest one that
i've seen with mine own eyes yeah um don't make me choose favorite and marty what made you choose
joyride tell us about the first time you saw Joyride. Anything like that.
Okay, a young Marty is growing up in Minnesota.
He's in eighth grade.
And every Friday in the St. Paul Pioneer Press, there would be movie reviews.
And starting in probably like sixth grade, I became obsessed with reading the Friday paper.
Because I was allowed to see some R-rated movies.
If they didn't have sex, I could see them.
And at this time, movie posters didn't usually tell you underneath the rating why it was rated, what it was rated.
A lot of them do that now.
Right.
underneath the rating, why it was rated, what it was rated.
A lot of them do that now.
Right.
But in the St. Paul Pioneer Press, in the review,
underneath how many stars they gave it,
they would tell you who directed it, who starred in it,
and then what it was rated and why, kind of in their own words.
Yep.
So I was always looking there first to be like,
Mom, Dad, this only has five.
I can see it.
Oh, yeah.
And it was rare that.
OK, so the critic's name was Chris Hewitt.
And it was fairly rare that he would ever give anything four stars like I bet it happened two or three times a year, maybe.
And it was usually, you know, things you'd expect to get four stars.
But.
One Friday morning in early October of 2001, Little Marty opened the paper and a film
called Joyride got four stars. Wow. And so I was like, I have to see this. And at the time I was
13, maybe at the time, a megaplex near us that we'd see a lot of movies had a policy where
your parents could purchase your R-rated ticket, but they didn't have to go with you.
So my mom was already dropping us off everywhere because we were 13.
And so she took me, my friend Peter Fillion, and my buddy Pat Kramer, and we went to see Joyride.
And it blew me away.
Wow.
Four stars. Four stars. Yeah, four out of four stars i should i
should clarify that four it deserves another one in my opinion i will say this movie yeah it has a
74 on around tomatoes 75 on metacritic that's like particularly high for metacritic and a 6.6 on IMDb which is pretty standard stuff but people like this movie
this is a well
reviewed movie
budget was 23 million made
36.6 million
pretty good not too shabby
it's maybe worth mentioning
that this movie came out
three weeks after 9-11
and I feel like it's a little it's a little
underseen i think and that could be why i yeah i i don't think i saw it in theaters but i've
definitely seen it before and i have no idea when i think it was in the years you know early 2000s
sometime on vhs probably rented from Blockbuster.
And I remember being very stressed by it.
And I was still stressed by it upon a second viewing.
A real stressful movie.
Oh, interesting.
Okay.
I have some trivia. It was a two-year-long production with reshoots, multiple endings.
Marty's going to tell us more about that at the end of the recap.
But sounds like a pretty crazy production.
Like, maybe they didn't really know what the game plan was.
And I read that they had a bunch of test screenings.
And the problem was that everyone liked every version of it.
So they didn't know, like, which one to go with.
But fascinating.
I just got personally curious about what Lili Sobieski is up to these days.
So I did a little
thank you I was going to ask that
poking around she was really
around this time she was in a lot of
stuff this was peak
Lili time
2001
eyes wide shut baby
but she is now
she quit acting
obviously or maybe not obviously but I haven't seen
her in anything in a long time.
So it tracks and she works as an artist in New York, mother of two.
Just her and her husband, I think, are both artists.
And she does that now.
I believe her father was a painter.
I was looking at her Instagram.
She's a good painter.
So pretty cool.
Good for her.
Yeah, I'm jealous.
I wish I was a painter.
I wish I had anyone who painted in my life.
It does seem like a really hard career path to flourish in.
Is she in a movie with Josh Hartnett in the 90s?
Yeah.
She has to have been.
I can't think of what, but
the one where he's a
virgin?
No, not a virgin. Celibate for
40 days?
40 days.
A virgin for 40 whole days. a virgin. Celibate for 40 days. 40 days. I don't think she's a virgin for 40 whole days. A virgin.
And I just wanted to let you guys know that.
Her brother, Robbie Sobieski, was in was on a season of The Bachelorette
night one guy got sent home he was a
magician
oh no all of those
things are so sad
put together
I really liked his vibe
I would have kept him on but
um yeah he didn't
make the cut and it was the season
where there were two bachelorettes so both
of them decided they didn't want him around so it's an extra burn but yeah that sucks oh my god
she's in jungle to jungle remember that movie yeah mimi siku um a casting what if is that
for the for the paul walker role to, Tobey Maguire was considered.
No, thank you.
And that's it.
That would have not been.
No, it would not have worked.
That's all the trivia I got.
So we will watch the trailer at the end
and that'll be available on our Patreon.
But what do you guys say we get into this recap?
I can't wait.
Let's get into it.
I need to know.
I'm so excited.
Hell yeah.
Let's do it.
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vhs camera footage of cb radios and that's the opening credits and there's scary music underneath
this kind of sets the tone you see you hear some voices some CB truckers, some Paul Walker on the phone, some Lili on the phone.
Then we open on Paul Walker's dorm room.
It's late at night.
The first thing you hear is Lili's voice.
And she says, I never thought freshman year would go so fast.
So summer's upon us.
They are old high school,
just friends.
And it's very clear that Paul Walker loves her.
Wow.
But she.
I love this already.
I gotta say it's a rom-com.
It's a rom-com.
If not for the opening credits,
this like the first half an hour of this movie is kind of a rom-com. If not for the opening credits, the first half an hour of this
movie is kind of a rom-com.
And one could argue it might
be better if they didn't have that opening credits
to really just pull the rug
out from under you. So, Lili
has just broken up with her boyfriend
and Paul is about
to get on an airplane and go home
to New Jersey for the summer where they're both from.
And she says to him, you know, I just wish I could take my time and decompress and drive
home.
If only I had a car.
And Paul pulls out his plane ticket and printed big and large in the center of it says ticket
refundable.
Which is not a thing, I feel like.
It's not, I don't think so.
Not a thing. And so Paul says thing, I feel like. It's not, I don't think so. Not a thing.
And so Paul says, I have a car.
Whoa!
Paul!
I want Paul Walker to be in love with me so
badly. God damn it.
He's also talking so loud
on the phone to Lili Sobieski, and
his poor roommate is like, dude, it's
three in the morning. I'm like, yeah,
that's really fucking rude, Paul. Come on come on really rude and what does he do he gives yeah he gives him
headphones like throws like a cd player at him to listen to very bad roommate so paul says i have a
car and then cut to paul buying a used car and driving across.
He didn't even have a car.
He is lying.
Yeah, he was lying.
So cut to Paul buying a car, driving across the country. He's at Berkeley, I should say, for school.
And he's driving through like Nevada on his way to pick her up in Boulder.
And he calls home and his mom is distracted when she talks to him and he says
what's the matter and she says it's your brother again he's in jail and I did kind of note that
the voice actress playing the mom seemed poorly cast a voice actor she seems too young it's like
really young and kind of a sexy voice and weird i just felt like
confused it's not often that a voice do we ever see her or is it just the voice that's weird
but not often she's probably sexy if paul walker is her son right true but she's probably that's
probably what the casting directors were thinking i mean she has to sound sexy also it's so weird
to me these three people steve's on paul walker and lily sobieski i just
feel like they're 35 so picturing them as being 18 i'm like they're freshmen in college get over
get over yeah was this the same year as the fast and the furious i think it might have been or at least yeah i think so 2001 yep it is so wow big year for paul walker
in cars what month that was was it before probably right the first and he's like i'll
only work if i can be in a car the whole time yeah he's definitely in a car for a lot of this movie yes this was before or fast and furious was
before june 2001 okay big year for paul it's very strange to imagine a universe where there's only
one fast and the furious movie and it's that first one that would be yeah crazy thank god
that's not the world we live in. Thank God. Thank God.
So he decides to go pick up his brother from jail,
go something like 200 miles out of his way.
It's clear he doesn't have a great relationship with his brother.
He hasn't seen him in a long time,
but he's driving sort of in that direction and feels,
I guess like he can,
he can go help him out.
Uh,
arrives at the jail and, and picks him up.
Enter Steve's on.
Enter Steve's on who,
I don't know why,
but in this movie I was like,
I want to see him and Daniel Radcliffe in a movie together.
They have like,
that's a fun energy match.
Yeah.
He was.
They both have like.
Similarly shaped faces.
They could play relatives, I think.
Square heads.
A very square shaped head and like big eyes.
And I just want to see I want to see them.
I think they'd make a good duo.
So.
And like a frantic energy.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Just throw that out there.
Great.
Okay.
So Lily is waiting patiently for Paul.
Yeah.
And he scoops up his brother and is going to drop him off in Denver,
right?
On the way to Boulder.
That's a good question.
I think Steve's on just seems to sort of just be like, right? On the way to Boulder? That's a good question.
I think Steve Zahn just seems to sort of just be like,
this plan sounds great, I'm coming.
Yeah, cool.
And then they get in a fight in the car.
And for some reason, all I wrote down was Paul Walker sort of crashing his car to teach him a lesson.
He gets so mad that he swerves off the road is he like taunting
him about lily so bsk he's like oh you like you love her exactly yeah and paul walker essentially
crashes his own car as a way to be like shut up which is an interesting way to teach your brother
a lesson but because it's not like public knowledge that Paul loves her.
Like, we know he loves her, but he's never really said that out loud, I don't think.
Yeah.
So, but now they have to go to a car repair shop and they get a CB radio installed.
I think the reasoning for that is sort of mostly to avoid cops and be able to speed.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
So they can check in with truckers along the route they're on to see when the next cop's going to be.
Interesting.
Do we know why Steve Zahn was in jail?
Drunk and disorderly.
Okay, got it.
Light stuff.
Nothing to make you dislike him.
On the CB radio, we hear some trucker speaking who sounds a lot like Buffalo Bill because it is.
Because it is the actor Ted Levine.
Uncredited, right?
Yeah.
Such a recognizable voice.
And I don't really remember this part well what how do they kind of first start talking a trucker brings up the weather and then ted levine's voice
comes in and he starts talking about how much it's going to rain that night and how he loves the rain
because it keeps everyone inside and so then paul walker
i think says like what's this guy's deal and so steve's on and paul walker pretend to be
two truckers steve's on is playing someone named black sheep and paul walker is playing a woman named Candy Cane.
Yeah, Steve's on is like eggs Paul Walker on
to make up a character to kind of prank this guy.
So Paul Walker's talking like this and saying,
well, hi there, what's your name, handsome type of thing.
It's so funny.
It's like when someone does that, you're like,
that's a fake
voice that's someone doing a fake voice yes so black sheep and candy cane make plans to meet up
and then black sheep sort of signs off and they wait a second and there's great shots really
tight shots of like the the vocal level meter on the cb radio yes and that's like what
you're seeing when you're hearing ted levine talk is these really tight shots and so they're waiting
and you're looking at this meter and it's not doing anything and then you hear ted levine after
a second go come in candy cane and so then paul walker's candy cane starts talking to Ted Levine's voice, who we hear, who we learn is named Rusty Nail.
After they've kind of flirted with him a bit, saying like, oh, you sound handsome, Rusty Nail.
It's so obviously a prank.
It's very funny.
But Rusty Nail's fucking eating it up.
And he's so horny for Candy Cane, you can tell.
They basically have like CB sex until they lose signal, essentially.
And they're planning to reveal that Paul's a man halfway through to prank him.
But they don't get a chance.
Yes.
So they stop at a hotel for the night, pull into a handicapped parking spot.
Paul Walker says, man, park somewhere else.
There's so many spots open.
He says, dude, don't worry.
I'm going to gimp it.
And then walks in real rough stuff there.
Hasn't aged great.
Hasn't aged great.
Also, that's not how it works you need a handicap sign
in your car yes so such a weird there's always got to be a little reminder that it's 2001 you know
right they go inside and there's a man yelling at the hotel clerk saying let me talk to the real manager
the white manager
so a racist
guy screaming and being
an asshole
while Steve
Zahn is in there
they get service again on the
CB radio and so Paul Walker
you know
is when Steve Zahn comes back from the car he's like
oh my god he's back he's back what do we do what do we do
so to get back at this racist guy
Steve Zahn has
the idea that they tell Rusty
Nail to come meet Candy Cane
in her hotel room
but they give
Rusty Nail the room number of the
racist guy
oh but they give Rusty Nail the room number of the racist guy.
Oh.
A double prank.
A double prank.
A double prank, which you know how I feel about pranks.
Yeah, they're bad.
I feel doubly bad about.
Yep.
So cut to Paul and Steve in their hotel room a little bit later,
and they hear a truck pull up. They're giggling
oh my god oh my god he's coming
this is so funny
hilarious prank although I will say
Paul Walker is like more
hesitant about it
throughout you can tell he kind of feels
bad Steve Zahn's really the one
egging him on and being like come on
dude it's so funny it's so fucking
funny
and they had told the one egging him on and being like, come on, dude, it's so funny. It's so fucking funny.
And they had told Rusty Nail to bring pink champagne. And so we see the silhouette of a man walking up past their motel window. They're putting their ear against the wall to listen and it's storming out there's
this great shot of the two of them with their ears pressed to the wall and in between them is a
painting of a ship caught in a storm and all they turn all their lights off in the hotel for the
vessel heads for the vessel heads they have turned all their lights off in the hotel. For the vessel heads. For the vessel heads.
They have turned all their lights off.
So the only thing really lighting them is lightning strikes.
And the camera is pushing into this painting until the whole frame is just taken up by this boat in a storm, in a lightning storm.
With actual lightning flashing outside to light up the painting. And you're hearing the muffled interaction of rusty nail and the
racist neighboring hotel tenant and it's hard to hear but you can tell it's not
going well i think that you can pretty much make out the guy answering the door being like who the
hell are you and then it's gets harder to hear the storm's getting louder and things are getting
muffled but it sounds like it's going badly, something.
They're not giggling anymore.
They're like, what?
What's going on in there?
And then it gets quiet.
And so Paul Walker calls the front desk person to say like, oh, I heard a commotion essentially in the room next door.
Can you guys, you might want to check.
And so. They room next door can you guys you might want to check and so they call next door they hear the phone ring and then their phone rings again and it's super loud
it's a great little jump scare and uh the manager says somebody answered and said everything's fine so few yeah next great next morning wake up
there's cops everywhere there has been an incident overnight and they are questioning
paul and steve saying did you see anyone coming to the room next door to you? The man that was staying there
is in the hospital. He's in a coma. They're denying it. And they're like, no, oh my God,
what a huge surprise. This is so crazy. And you can see that Paul Walker is feeling more guilty
and wants to say something, butve's on is acting ignorant to
this and the cop has a very funny vibe where he's just like i think it would be good for you guys to
see the victim's body which seems pretty crazy to do he's like highly suspicious of them yeah
and so i mean it does work he takes them to see the body and then they confess because the body has the bottom jaw ripped off.
And so you just see the row of top teeth exposed and it looks like too many teeth, but it's because you just don't usually see all of them at once.
It like reminded me of Beetlejuice when they pull out the mouth
and there's way too many teeth now.
Really don't like seeing all those teeth.
Ew.
Fuck.
It's creepy.
And Steve Zahn has the perfect face to look shocked.
His big, wide eyes just horrified by what he is seeing and they confess they're like yeah
we did do a prank and there's a truck driver that goes by rusty nail blah blah blah they tell them
they're being questioned but they're they don't get held for anything, right? They're just kind of scolded and let go.
There's an amazing scene with,
I don't know this actor's real name,
but he plays Ellsworth on Deadwood.
Great actor, great character actor.
And he plays like the town sheriff.
And there's one scene
where they're being reprimanded by him.
And he is the only one that speaks.
And he does this whole monologue
about how they've caused
a shit storm for him and it's like an old-fashioned western if they're not out of wyoming by sundown
he's coming after him and it's just this like this one scene with him that's the only time you see
him and it's just this hilarious monologue he gives them to get out so that So they leave. They hop in that car.
And then it's a rom-com again.
It's like everything's fine.
Wow.
Fun music.
One thing we forgot is when Paul Walker decides to go pick up Fuller, his brother, Steve Zahn,
he does a U-turn on the highway and then he gets pulled over.
And he's trying to talk himself out of the ticket that it was like a good deed scenario that made him do it and the cop says i'm also pulling you over because you
have a broken taillight that's important that's gonna come back yes so as they're driving through that CB radio. We hear candy cane.
No.
Candy cane.
And they answer.
Obviously, Rusty Nail knows that they're fucking with him and asks them why they did it. They say it was a
joke.
And he says, well,
then, apologize.
This is the point
where Paul Walker says
he's a man. He does the
candy cane voice and then he changes
into his real voice and he says, that's me.
I'm a guy. It was a
joke.
A hilarious
joke. It was so
funny. It feels insane that the cops didn't
take their CB radio.
These cops don't know what they're doing.
This is how we communicate with
the person who did this.
Would you like to communicate with
like, you know?
Or at least like lock it up in the principal's office
yeah yeah it is an interesting
response to just be like
all right get get back interesting for
them too to be like we're gonna keep
we're gonna keep it and we're gonna talk to this
yeah exactly that's the main thing it's like
he ripped somebody's jaw off
yeah
but we'll chat it's fine
I think it's
because they
established earlier that there's like a
five mile radius on a CB radio
and I think they're just assuming that
he's gone because he's a truck driver
so he's scary
out of range you know
so he
asks he tells them they have to apologize for what they've done and steve zahn
does not apologize but instead yells at him insults him says we're not apologizing to you
you like pathetic loser or something like that which seems like a bad tactic. He tells him to go see a psychiatrist. Yeah.
Not the
best response. I would have apologized.
And Paul
also again is saying
like just apologize dude. Apologize.
He doesn't.
Then Rusty Nails says
you really ought to get that
fixed. Get what
fixed?
Your taillight.
Ooh.
And there's like, it's dark and there's all these lights, car headlights behind them.
Oh, baby.
Oh, I hate it.
I hate it.
I hate it.
Oh, no.
So they are panicking now, driving.
And wouldn't you know it, they're about out of gas and see a sign that the next town is in 73 miles they're not going to make it they're panicking they pull off at the next exit
happens to be a gas station right there really thank god for that but they're looking over their
shoulder seeing who's following them it seems like they're maybe
not being followed but a couple minutes after they're pulling in they're like trying to get
gas as fast as they can paul walker goes in to use the pay phone to try to call the sheriff
sheriff's department and in pulls an ice delivery truck. They're very tense.
It's kind of like a cube truck, not very big.
Yeah.
And the driver of this truck comes out with a baseball bat.
He hits his own tires, throws the bat over his shoulder,
and struts into the gas station store where Paul Walker is.
He kind of looks like Sam Elliott in A Star is Born.
Oh, great, great.
Love it.
He's looking very intimidating.
Steve Zahn's trying to get Paul Walker's attention,
being like, dude, dude, he's coming in there,
he's coming in there.
It's a very tense scene where Paul Walker kind of freezes as he can see the guy walking behind him in the mirror.
And he doesn't know if he should run or play it cool or what.
And so he plays it cool and he goes to check out.
But the guy's right behind him.
We're not getting a good look at the guy really, but he's got a baseball bat over his shoulder, which doesn't feel good.
Paul Pays runs out.
They get into their car so fast, peel out.
so fast, peel out,
and we see the guy with the baseball bat run out, calling
after them, and then getting into his
truck and driving
after them.
They miss the entrance to the highway.
So they're on dirt
roads, in the dark, pitch black,
and this ice
truck is chasing them. And they're driving,
driving, driving, and then they hit
a dead end with, like, an iron gate. And they're driving driving driving and then they hit a dead end with like an
iron gate and they're freaking out the ice truck pulls up behind him you see the guy getting out
they're freaking out and he walks up to the window of the car and steve's on makes like a little kid
like gun with his fingers and he's like we got a gun man and man. And Sam Elliott from A Star is Born knocks on the window with a credit card.
And he goes, and I got a MasterCard.
So Lewis, Paul Walker, had forgotten his credit card at the gas station.
Wow, that is a committed stranger.
Good deed.
Good man.
What a good deed.
It's not scary at all like the um as they're fleeing
from what they think is rusty nail they crash through like a row of mailboxes
it's a very insane chase scene that the guy's just like hey man you forgot your credit card
and they're like what is that bat and he's like shit my tire thumper okay okay so then sam elliott
leaves gets in his ice truck and he's slowly kind of backing out of this dirt road so he can make a
u-turn and leave paul walker and steve's on are like getting out of the car and sighing a deep
breath and they're like what's that noise and at this point the ice truck is like
perpendicular to them as it's making its u-turn and all of a sudden the silhouette of the ice
truck is getting brighter and brighter and brighter and then a fucking semi truck crashes
through this ice truck ice explodes everywhere this is all practical and awesome and
it's like honking loud as hell the music picks up and they're like oh shit and they're like
scrambling to get back in their car they floor it through this iron gate break it open and now
they're in a chase even deeper on like the back roads with an 18 wheeler. Great. Honking his ass off with them.
One thing I read about,
or one thing in the commentary track on this that I learned,
they replaced all the headlights with lights from airplanes.
So like the lights are like,
holy shit,
epic.
They're driving,
driving,
driving,
and eventually they lose control of their car and they end up next to like a
big tree perpendicular to the semi and so the semi slows down and starts to slowly just squash them into
this like giant stumped tree that's never gonna move and so their car is like accordioning in
and they're on the cb like screaming like we're sorry we're sorry stop and um rusty nail gets on the thing and he's like
sammy do you remember i think he says he says we apologize like it was just a joke we're sorry
and that is what rusty nail had asked them to do is to apologize and so he stops moving forward
and he says he's like we, we were just messing with you.
And he,
and Rusty and I think says,
why?
And then Steve's on says like,
it was just for a laugh.
And then Rusty and Ale says,
well,
I'm just playing with you,
man.
It slowly backs up.
Wow.
And then he leaves.
Ben drives off, yeah.
And their car is wrecked.
Like, all the windows have shattered from being the car getting crushed.
So, we see them the next day at a car repair shop.
Pretty fast repair.
Mm-hmm. But the car doesn't look great.
I mean, it's gotten in a couple car accidents now.
And they agree they're not going to tell Lili Sobieski.
Her name is Venna in the movie.
That's funny.
An interesting name that threw me at first.
But by the end of the movie, I was like,
that's a great name. I'm on board. So, they agree not to tell her that this has happened
because they don't want to freak her out. They're getting closer to picking her up and they're like,
let's maybe not tell her about the guy that's trying to potentially rip our bottom jaws off.
And they throw the CB radio out the window while they're driving on the highway.
Yep.
And they don't know.
And then it's a rom-com again.
They don't tell the police.
Correct.
There was no answer at the sheriff's station when they called.
And so, yeah, they don't make another attempt for some reason.
They tried.
They tried once.
Okay, a rom-com again. again yeah music is fun now it's
like college rom-com we're picking her we're in the college in boulder and vena walks out in like
a silky paisley knee-length skirt that felt very 2001 to me and like a tank top.
The style is very funny.
But she's getting that slow motion like head-to-toe camera movement
and we see Steve Zahn is essentially like, oh, gosh, she is hot, hot, hot.
She is hot, hot, hot and she hugs them and her friend Charlotte pulls up as she's leaving for summer break.
It's summer break.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, Charlotte's going home too.
Charlotte also hot.
Steve Zahn's trying to convince her to get in with them we can all
road trip together
Charlotte says no
but
um
you know she's
seems like she
I don't know likes them and
would have but she's got a different
place to go I guess so she does not join
so they just and then they're off three of them are off yep and would have but but she's got a different place to go i guess so she does not join
so they just and then they're off three of them are off yep wait they stop i have my notes that they're heading back to new jersey is that correct yes i believe his ticket at the beginning says
newark the plane ticket okay so that's i don't think they ever really mention it otherwise but
that's my assumption okay they have a long way to go.
This is not a short ride.
Yeah.
So they end up at a motel.
First, they go to a dive bar, and it's in a seedy town, and the guys there are being inappropriate with Venna.
Some guy walks up, very aggressively hits on her
paul walker tries to intervene and says like come on man stop and he's like is this your bitch
yeah like you better shut your bitch up and this whole scene is tough because then Steve Zahn's master plan to defuse the situation is to act like an abusive boyfriend also and walks up to Vanna like, I told you not to talk to these guys. And he aggressively grabs her and drags her out of the bar. And that settles everybody down. They're like, all right, well, as long as someone is screaming at her, we can back up real real interesting
scene
and Fuller is
Steve Zahn is
very much hitting on Venna as well
which is really rude
yeah that's not that's not nice
and now they go to the motel
and Paul basically passes out
and then Steve goes
to see Lili in her room.
And they're about to kiss.
Seems like that could happen.
But then in Paul's room, the phone rings, and it's Rusty Nail.
On the phone.
Oh, God.
He says, now, I thought you said there was no girl.
And he's like, there is no girl.
There's no girl.
Rusty, there's no girl.
No.
Then what's she doing in the other room with your brother?
It kind of sounds like Lorne Michaels.
I'd love to see that version.
I guess Ted Levine wasn't brought in until post-production.
They had recorded it all with a different voice,
so he came in later.
It's a masterstroke of casting.
Yeah, it's really great.
Ted Levine is unbelievable as Rusty Nail.
You know, who's to say we couldn't bring Lorne in for...
Who's to say? Some resho Lauren in for some reshoots?
We could get that version.
They're still not done reshooting this movie, so it's possible.
So Paul runs over to the next room and he's like,
Rusty Nail's on the phone.
And he says, what's he doing in the next room with Venna?
And then Paul's like, which is a pretty fucking excellent question, by the way.
And then they run out, get in the car and flee.
And what do they see on the road, Sammy?
They see on some signs, they pass one sign that says, look.
And then the next sign says, in the.
And then the next sign says in the and the next sign says trunk and steve's on his driving i think and he
stops and says he wants us to look in the truck and paul walker says how do you know and he says
he wrote it on the street signs paul walker's like anybody could have written that and then we see that on the sign
that they are are stopped in front of it says lewis so it is indeed rusty nail who has
graffitied these signs vena by the way has like no idea what the fuck is going on because they
did not tell her about this so she's's being like, tell me, explain everything.
What the fuck?
There's a great line exchange that's probably in the trailer where she's in the hotel room when they're freaking out.
And she says, well, how scared am I supposed to be?
And there's a close up on Steve and he says much more than usual.
Great line.
That's a good line.
That's a very good line.
So they walk around to the trunk of the car.
They're scared to open it.
Is it going to be a body?
Is it a bomb?
They're freaking out.
And Lily steps up and is like, just fucking open it.
I'll open it.
She opens it.
And it's the CB radio.
Taped back together.
Wow.
And on it, they hear Charlotte screaming for help.
Oh, no.
Fuck.
I really thought Charlotte.
I was like, well, at least Charlotte got away.
I know.
You really made a point to mention Charlotte.
I was like, hmm. I i know but i didn't think
it was gonna be this i in my notes didn't take a note when we met her i was like well that was
weird no no yeah like what a weird little scene don't need that don't need to write that down and
then i was like oh god yes we do um so yeah they put they plug the radio back in they hear charlotte
screaming and they're they're begging rusty nail please please, please stop, please don't hurt her, we'll do anything.
Anything you say.
And what does he want them to do?
broad daylight that has a restaurant full of people and families and he wants paul and steve to get completely naked go into the restaurant and order six cheeseburgers each okay that's not
that bad of all the things it could be pretty silly. They still have their jaws. Yeah, all things considered.
So they get completely naked.
Sammy, you want to describe this scene?
Yeah, they get completely naked.
They're covering their bits with their hands, waddling towards the diner.
There's a family that's filling up their tank and the dad like shields the children's eyes and says, Billy, sissy, get in the car.
filling up their tank and the dad like shields the children's eyes and says,
Billy, sissy, get in the car.
Oh, they get in the diner.
Everyone is obviously staring at them, speechless.
And Vena is staying in the car during this, keeping an eye out for any 18 wheelers that may approach.
They order 12 cheeseburgers. out for any 18-wheelers that may approach.
They order 12 cheeseburgers.
The waitress
is giving them a real dirty look,
but also looking like she's going to
serve them, but then the manager walks
out and is like, gentlemen,
what the hell are you doing?
You need to get out of here. And they're like, please, sir,
you don't understand.
Someone's making us do this. We have to order 12 cheeseburgers.
But they get kicked out.
While Venice starts honking.
Yes.
And so they run out.
And she is talking to Rusty Nail.
What does he want?
What does he tell her to do?
Rusty Nail comes over the CB radio and is basically just saying, you have to do what I say.
And they're just following anything he tells them to do.
And we hear Charlotte periodically screaming in the background, help me.
So they are just following his instructions
and I think he just leads them to
this cornfield.
As we know, corn is the
scariest crop.
And we
know bad things happen in cornfields.
And it's
nighttime now? It is
nighttime by the time they get to this cornfield,
yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
And essentially, Rusty Nail shows up without the trailer attached to his truck.
So he's pretty nimble.
And he starts chasing them through the corn.
They get out on foot.
For some reason.
Why do they do that?
I can't remember.
But they're, I guess, maybe just thinking that they can hide easier.
I don't know.
But he's able to easily see them moving through the corn because he's higher up and has his extremely bright airplane headlights.
So any movement in the corn he can see.
So he is just plowing through chasing them
i'm thinking it's really good i'm thinking we need to stop running but i could see how that
would be a scary decision to make because if he just happens to you know go in your direction
you're kind of fucked and eventually they do stop and it doesn't it doesn't help.
There's a shot where they're like hiding.
They duck down and hide in like an irrigation ditch.
That's maybe like two feet, three feet deep.
And they're just like lying prone on their stomachs and he drives over them fast as hell.
It's really there's some amazing stunt work it's really a very thrilling scene also i feel
like is it steve's on that's just yelling go go run run go go like constantly and i think even
paul is like yeah thanks like we fucking know
paul walker paul walker is an amazing on-screen. In this movie, I really learned to appreciate it.
He really uses his arms well.
They're very straight down with his fingers pointed at the ground.
But he's, according to the director's commentary, fast.
John Dahl says he's a very fast guy.
Wow.
That is a gift, a real talent.
So they're crouching in this irrigation ditch and the truck.
I think it stops because it's gone over them and starts to reverse and they they scramble out into the corn again.
But.
I think.
They split up, right?
They end up kind of separated and they're like whisper screaming.
Lily is like whisper screaming for help to, to like try to find where they are.
And Rusty Nail is like up on top of his truck, shining his spotlight around, playing this creepy music.
Right. And looking for them.
And then the truck drives away after a few minutes and leaves and they start calling out for
each other at full volume and steve zahn and paul walker end up next to each other but lily is gone
so he got her oh no and they run back to the car which is on fire their car is in a like going up
in flames so they sprint back to it because they hear her screaming
and there's a fire in the car lily they run to the car but it's the cb radio and she's screaming
through the cb radio and they they they you know scream like you let her go let her go and he tells
them to meet him at a hotel in a town and bring pink champagne room 17 same room number yep and no and they grab the
there's a bottle of pink champagne in the burning car they grab it and then the car explodes jeez so
he also tells them like don't be a minute late we got to meet us at, don't be a minute late. We got to meet us at midnight. Don't be a minute late.
And they're now without a car in the middle of a cornfield.
So they run to the nearest place.
There's like a little bar or something in the, I don't know, nearby.
And they need to steal a car.
And Steve's on.
The hot wire pickup truck.
Yep.
And that's also a kind of stressful scene because a guy's walking out and they're like, is this the owner of this truck?
And he keeps walking towards them like, do you guys need help?
I have some jumper cables.
And they're like, no, no, no, it's fine.
I have some jumper cables and they're like no no no it's fine and then in the nick of time the car starts they peel out just as the actual owner of the truck comes out the front and is screaming
that's my car that's my car but you know they gotta do what they got to do this is I think
circumstances it's called require so they go to the place that he told them to go,
but there's like seven motels and he didn't say which one.
So they're going to every room 17.
They're just going one by one,
pounding on the doors,
getting,
you know,
uh,
uh,
disturbing families and people that are just clearly not Rusty Nail.
Meanwhile, we see Rusty Nail tying Vanna up in a motel room, tying her to a chair, putting
tape over her mouth and nailing the chair into the ground.
nailing the chair into the ground.
And then he sets up a shotgun pointed at her with a little pulley string connected to the doorknob so that when someone opens this door, she will get shot in the face.
I wrote here that I would be so mad if I were Venom.
Be like, you motherfuckers pranked this guy and now i'm gonna die
because you guys are just yeah the primary emotion yeah she doesn't seem too mad i mean
she's obviously scared but she'll i would i would be mad later i guess if i survived this we'll see
what happens so they realize that they forgot one motel they see it across the street
and make their way over there they go into room 17 and it's empty and then the phone rings
and it's rusty nail and he alludes back to basically what it was like listening through the wall when they told him to go to room 17 and they were just right next door.
Right next door.
So they realize she's right next door.
Yes.
There's like a line where Paul Walker on the phone with him is like, I'm not kidding.
Where's Vena?
And Rusty Nail says, you might not be kidding, but I am.
This is all just still a fun prank.
And I don't know why exactly they don't immediately.
I know.
I'm trying to think.
Go to the room next door.
But Steve Zahn instead.
Oh, Paul Walker wants to keep to keep rusty nail on the phone and have steve zahn like sneak
around to surprise him and steve zahn goes along the side of the motel to the back side of all the
rooms and looks in and sees the contraption that is you know going to kill vena
if someone opens that door but then rusty nail sees him we get a look at rusty nail here finally
it's not ted levine um just a big a big scary dude i you don't see him too clearly no for too long ever but you do see him here yeah
yeah and he like doesn't he like crash through the window and grab steve yes and pins him
into there's like a a pipe wire thing sticking out this this little side alley behind the motel is like filled with nasty trash and like old tires and furniture.
Old mattresses, yeah.
And he gets pinned onto this old nasty little metal rod thing that stabs through his leg.
So he's screaming in pain and Paul Walker is coming to help him because he hears him, I think.
And he runs to the front door to open it.
And I think Steve Zahn sees that and is saying like, don't open the door.
Don't open the door.
So Paul Walker hears that.
Thank God.
that thank god meanwhile vena is she she finds a little nail in the chair pulls it out and it seems like she's maybe going to be able to get herself out but she drops it motherfucker we're
now seeing why he nailed this chair to the ground so she can't knock herself over because she's
needs to stay in this position where the gun is aiming at her
so this is so stressful it's very stressful she's trying to get out uh paul walker runs to
steve zahn is rusty nail just kind of disappeared for now i think he might be gone. He puts Steve in a headlock.
And he's holding Steve Zahn's
head through the window into
the room. And when Paul's about
to open the door and he says, watch this.
It's going to be hilarious.
And then
Steve frees himself, falls
back onto a pipe and
screams, don't open the door, don't open the door.
So Paul's running around the house or sorry, the side of the hotel.
Yep.
And Rusty Nail is gone.
Mm hmm.
And there's all these alternate endings that are screwing me up.
Rusty Nail's gone.
Yeah, good.
And Paul immediately goes to Steve Zahn.
And I guess he doesn't know the situation with Lily, but I was in my mind thinking Lily needs your attention more than Steve.
But Steve at this point, isn't he hanging on a fence?
And he's got a pipe through his leg that Rusty Nail has bent now.
So it's like a hook that can't come out.
Yes.
I mean, they both need help.
And he can't be in two places at once.
But I thought he should have at least peeked in on Lily before committing himself to this situation.
Because the cops have now arrived.
Because Rusty Nail earlier called the cops and said, I'd like to report some dead bodies and just hung up.
So the cops are arriving and find the hotel manager dead.
And they are going one by one down the row of motel rooms, knocking, and then opening the doors checking each of the rooms
kicking the doors open and every time they kick a door open it sounds like a fucking shotgun
goes off like the sound effect is just like oh my god and meanwhile in front of steve's on
is a field he's hanging with his back to the hotel and there's just a big open field behind it and we see
rusty nails truck turn on and start coming like full speed towards steve's on as he's hanging on
this fence and so paul's trying to help him off and it just cross cuts between the two of them
like getting sped at by this truck and stuck on this fence with these cops kicking these doors
in and like the cameras just keeps showing you the room number and like lily sobieski's face like looking to the side like
the direction they're coming from it is so suspenseful holy shit oh it's stressful and He gets, wait, he goes in and gets Lili first, right?
Because then the cops bust in and he like gets her just in time.
He knocks her over.
He knocks her.
And the shotgun goes off into the ceiling.
Yes.
And so the cops are there, guns drawn, telling them to freeze while he's hearing Steveve zahn screaming more and he just is kind of like i'm sorry i i gotta go
out there runs from the cops don't shoot and would you believe it they don't they don't so
he's able to save his brother and there's a bunch of cops in the back at this point because he i think paul
walker like tells them to go out there that's where he is and he convinces the cops to shoot
the truck because it won't stop so there's all these cops shooting into the windshield of the
truck as it's coming in on them he pulls steve zahn off at the last second out of the way and
the truck goes through the fence and into the hotel
and like at full speed they built this the hotel is just a set like that's all on a stage
yeah and they drove a fucking truck through it it see a dead guy that's been shot a bunch
of times and charlotte charlotte yeah tied up yeah but alive because she's kind of the she's
in the um foot of the passenger seat.
So she wasn't sitting upright.
She was laid down, basically.
So we did it, folks.
He's dead.
Charlotte is saved.
Everyone is still alive except for our bad guy.
And there's paramedics now on site.
They're taken to the back of an ambulance, breathing big sighs of relief.
And pretty quickly, I feel like the cops come up and they they ask if they got an id
on rusty nail like is who is this guy that's been doing this yeah and they tell them
yeah we got confirmation he's a some some ice truck driver that delivers ice um so we know that that ain't him
that's our ice truck driver from earlier that i guess he just held on to that body which sam Sam Elliott. And then over the CB radio in the ambulance comes Rusty Nails voice.
And I can't remember what he says.
He talks about how it's going to rain.
And he says, I love the rain.
Keeps everyone inside.
Washes everything clean.
Cut to black.
That's the end of the movie.
Whoa.
I mean, that's a great ending.
Sounds like they picked the right one.
It's a good ending.
Yeah. Wow.
It's apparently
I want to hear about
the other
endings, but I did read that it's the only
one where Rusty Nail survives, that he dies in all the other endings, but I did read that it's the only one where Rusty Nail survives, that he
dies in all the other versions.
It's scarier
to keep him alive. I know, I feel
like you always want to keep the
threat there. There is a Joyride
2 and a Joyride 3. I have
not seen them, but
Neither have I. I presume they're
probably pretty bad. I believe they were straight to video
yeah uh-huh but yeah what are some of the other versions marty the most drastic alternate ending
is basically starts from the truck stop where they're naked and rusty nail like comes into that parking lot in his truck
and they chase him out of there you see paul walker sprinting buck naked which is pretty fun
for like a while and um oh i love that i want i'm tempted to make a well i guess it didn't make the
movie so i i couldn't do this but i feel like that makes me want to make a letterboxd list of
movies where that happens i'm picturing um red rocket simon rex runs yeah full naked for a while
as well and it's a it's a midsummer yes yes yeah there's you know at least a couple that can be
added to this list let us know in the sub genre yeah
long story short they end up getting arrested for fighting with the locals they get into a cop car
vena gets taken by rusty nail they steal the cop car lew or Paul Walker and Steve Zahn.
The cop who's driving the cop car is played by Walton Goggins.
I saw that he's on the IMDb, but it's like, yeah, deleted scene.
And then essentially the climax of that version takes place in the cornfield.
And they used some of the footage, but Steve Zahn is actually dressed as a state trooper because they like pull rusty nail over at one point and get vena out of the back of the
truck um but there's just like basically a similar version of the cornfield chase that ends with
rusty nail pushing on accident pushing like a big propane tank that's in this cornfield and
then he's like speeding toward them and this thing is like rolling in front of the truck
and they end up shooting the um propane tank and it explodes so it's like this huge epic
ending in this cornfield that is not in the movie. And there's like 25 minutes leading up to it, basically,
that is not in the movie.
That's wild.
The wasted amount of money and budget
must be pretty high for this movie.
You don't often hear about four or five alternate endings.
Yeah.
Yeah, and a whole big explosion stunt that they just don't use
it's crazy they i think based on john doll's commentary track my understanding is that it
sort of came from the test screenings like the reactions to the to the original cuts it's not bad
like it's not as good as the real one.
The,
the, the sequence where the doors are getting kicked in.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
It's,
it's the best.
Yeah.
And then the other versions are just like slight variations essentially on
the current ending.
Um,
different ways.
Rusty nail is killed.
All of the other versions that take place at the hotel originally
had charlotte like dead on the bed when they got in there and they decided that that was just like
unnecessarily grim good so yeah i like that she you don't often hear about a movie choosing not
to kill a college-aged sort of woman. Bonus female character, yeah.
Yeah.
So that's good.
But I love that this movie kind of rides.
They know when to not take it too far for the most part,
and it keeps it just this sort of fun thriller
as opposed to something too dark.
Yeah, I like this ending.
I like this movie. Yeah, we were saying ending. I like this movie.
Yeah, we were saying, I do
think you could handle it.
It's quite stressful,
but
it's a good time.
I think it's...
And the two of them are just so
good in it, and Steve Zahn is so funny
in it that... I love him.
We kind of kept joking like it becomes a rom-com again.
But even those parts of the movie are a pretty good movie.
So, yeah, it is really fun to like dip in and out of the stress.
And I love that.
We love a movie where the moral is pranks are bad.
Don't prank.
We could all stand to learn that lesson.
Yep.
Henley also agrees with that lesson,
but she had to go.
Oh yeah.
We did this again.
I feel like we'll occasionally have someone will have to leave and the
listeners will think that they're just shocked into silence for the last
third of the movie.
So I'm sorry. uh forgot to say but
henley did have to go um but she yes she does agree that pranks are bad we can say that with
certainty just for the record for the record um thank you so much marty an excellent recap i had
no doubts thank you so much this was such a delight. Thank you,
Marty.
Um,
and freaking bad time.
You're the freaking best.
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