Too Scary; Didn't Watch - LATE NIGHT WITH THE DEVIL

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

One 70s late-night talk show host, lots of behind the scenes footage and too many unsuspecting audience members, we're recapping LATE NIGHT WITH THE DEVIL!TrailerMovie stats @ 26:01Recap @ 36:57Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to. And we have a patron chosen episode today. It's a new release. So many double whammy new releases out right now

i had to turn to the patrons for help because we just don't have time to cover them all wow uh but so that's very exciting and if you're very excited and you don't want to wait a single second you can click on the time stamps in the show notes, jump straight to our recap of this week's movie. Because first, we got a little bit of haunted housekeeping. Decided that I'm going to start giving us some horror news as it breaks. Love it. It's not an update on Rob Pattinson's child. Sometimes they'll be.

Sookie released a picture holding the baby. Not of the baby. You can't see the baby's face. But there is a picture of Sookie holding the baby. So pretty huge. So there actually was some haunted housekeeping on that front. Thank you. Thank you.

You're welcome. You're welcome. Do you remember when Emily Rodajowski posted the photo of her and her baby where she's holding him like lopsided? It's like he's dangling and people give her so much shit. She's so hot in her little bikini. Oh, it really made me laugh. What a great photo. I wish Sookie had released a photo that was like that. That would have been fun. That really would have been fun. like that. That would have been fun. That really would have been fun. She looked too hot. It should have been illegal.

It was like, you're too hot to be holding a baby. That's really the problem. How you're holding the baby, who cares? And to have birthed that baby. Yeah, it's not allowed. It's a crime against women everywhere. Once you become a mom, you're not allowed to be hot. We all know it.

Pick one. Henley, you're under arrest. You're under arrest because you're too hot. And you're not allowed. Thank you. That's where I was trying to get the conversation to go. But okay. No.

Rob and Sookie news aside. That's obviously first and foremost. Yeah. But a couple other updates there is a maxine trailer that by the time this episode comes out it will be out we're recording this on sunday so at this time it comes out tomorrow monday of this week and maxine we've just been waiting for it i'm excited i am really hoping that this trailer rules that's july right is it july i think so it comes out yeah yeah i don't know if it actually is or if in my mind i just i'm like that's a great time for maxine to come out summertime

film i decided yes july 5th got it written here oh perfect so anyone out there that's interested go look up that trailer it'll be live when this episode comes out uh can't wait to see that um the uh night bitch got a release date night bitch got a release date de December 6th. Yay! I want to read the book first. The book is really good. I read it a couple months ago. I really loved it. And then the last thing is not necessarily horror related, but it feels relevant to this podcast, which is that they announced that there's a new Matrix movie coming.

They did. It's directed by Drew Goddard, who directed Cabin in the Woods. Yes. And we're not feeling... We don't know how to feel about this. We don't know how to feel about it. Nobody from the original trilogy has signed on. I can't tell if it's supposed to be a sequel or a remake, full reboot.

Oh, boy. I would really not feel good about that I don't really feel good about any option no we'll you know we'll wait and see I'm not optimistic

but I love to be proven wrong yeah prove us wrong Drew Drew you know what you have to do which is to be proven wrong. Yeah. Prove us wrong, Drew. Drew, you know what you have to do, which is to prove us wrong. Yeah. So we'll see what happens there. I don't know. Just felt worth bringing up because I'm confused about it and, you know, keeping an eye on it.

Yeah. You got to keep an eye. But that's all I got for horror news today. So now tell me if anything scary happened to you guys this week. Well,

you guys know that I survived the big one. She survived the big East Coast earthquake. Did you put on

what music did you put on to celebrate? Jonas Brothers blasting. Dancing around my living room. Grateful to be alive. No, actually, I was in my bedroom and it was very windy that day. And my house kind of shakes when it's windy. Right. And so there was one moment where it really shook.

Like it shook really hard. And I was like, I guess it's just the wind. It was not the wind. It was an earthquake. A magnitude of 4.8. Which is not nothing. That is a real earthquake. And that was near, it's not far from where I am in Connecticut.

And it was, you know, it it was i thought it was the wind so obviously not a big deal however but if you lived in california still you probably would have thought it was an earthquake why would you have thought it was an earthquake yeah exactly i wasn't expecting to say that not a lot of earthquakes over there i think sometimes i think everything's an earthquake here literally 10 times a day i'm like earthquake earthquake yeah because i'm on such high alert i think it's an earthquake so i feel like if you were in a state of constant earthquake awareness sometimes if my cat runs like too fast down the hall once once birdie was licking her butt on the bed and I thought it was her question. That's amazing.

Bertie's huge. Bertie's huge. And she has a crazy sandpaper tongue, the most sandpapery tongue of any cat on earth. And so it really felt like an earthquake. It's absolutely rumbling. but the middle school near us had to close down because for a few days because it it created all these cracks everywhere in the school and it made me look around my house i'm looking at one right now there's a freaking huge ass crack right in front of me there are like four cracks in our bathroom and i was like tim have these been here? And he was like,

I was noticing the same thing. And I don't know whether I just didn't notice them before. Oh, no. Have these been here or not? This house obviously is very old. These cracks could be old. These old cracks, I don't know. These old cracks. Part of me is worried that they came here because it really did shake. I was on the phone with my mom and I was like, I was like, whoa, the wind is really crazy today. Because it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

in here. And it wasn't until Tim texted me and was like, that was a fucking earthquake. I was like, what? That's so weird. When was the last time that happened over there? I don't know. It's been a long time. It's been a long time. And I think the thing that it made me realize is I was like, I am not on high alert enough. I was like, that wind is just crazy today. But it could have been, there could have been a real disaster happening right in front of me. And I was just like, you know, but what would you have done if you had it? You know what I mean? I think if a disaster happens that really requires you to be stressed, you'll stress out. You know, where will I go?

Why would you need to be stressed? I go under my desk. I've done it twice that I've ran under my desk. I feel like it's the sturdiest part. Well, you know, I absolutely don't because I'm on the first floor of a very unsafe building. That's right. You do want an earthquake bed. There are cracks all over my house, Henley.

And I pointed them out to my landlord before and he says, that's just the house settling. Settling! And I'm like, it's about to settle right on top of me one of these days. Yeah, I don't want it to keep settling. I want it to be settled. I would like my house to be settled already. what is the logical conclusion of it settling he comes and spackles he comes and spackles over it it's like you're gonna spackle that that's not gonna do shit i guess the only what's the solution though you have to like tear the place down

yeah see i feel like when i see cracks in my place which there there are also cracks that have been spackled and have recracked i think because there are so many earthquakes here i think well i mean that's survived so far you know that's my that's how i swayed yourself which is like but that's only true until it's not right in my mind that's a foolproof method of that means it's gonna be fine forever. Yeah. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And that applies to structural integrity. Foundations.

Yeah. Completely. Completely. No questions asked. Anyway, it was exciting. And I thought of you guys because, you know, we were in an earthquake together and it bonded us for life. It did.

Biggest one I've ever felt. That was really scary. It was scary. It was a really scary one. It was a seven point something, wasn't it? That That was really scary. It was a really scary one. It was a seven point something, wasn't it? That one was really big and wild. Well, we were also just on top of a hill with a lot of other people. And I think that made it scarier. Sitting directly on the earth. On the earth as it rolled. That was a rolly one. For those unfamiliar with earthquakes,

some are jolty. Some feel like a cat licking their butt. Some are like a side to side. And some are rolly. Like truly, truly the earth feels like it's in a, like when you like wave a sheet, you know? Yes. And that's what that one felt like. It was really spooky. Henley, I meant to tell you, I got back into Shogun and there is an earthquake episode.

That's an early earthquake and it's so scary. Oh, I'm going to watch Shogun. I am. I finished Justify, which is devastating. So I need to watch Shogun now. Shogun is so good. And just real quick, the other thing I want to tell you guys is tomorrow I'm going to see the eclipse. Okay.

Oh, it's tomorrow. So is that in the path of totality? Yep. Path of totality. Do you like how casually I just said that sentence? Oh, that's really exciting, Henley. My family all went and got an Airbnb in Ohio to get into the path of totality. I have a friend that's flying to Texas for just the day.

A lot of people are going to Texas. Yeah. I mean, it's hopefully there's clear sky so you can really experience it. Obviously, when this episode comes out, it'll be after the eclipse. So hope everybody had a good safe eclipse. I took a Pilates class yesterday with a very

woo woo teacher who told everybody, you know, take care of any eclipse tomorrow. It's, you know, I'm going to be staying in all day. I don't know about you. I'm gonna be hiding out all day from the eclipse. It's, you know, I'm going to be staying in all day. I don't know about you. I'm going to be hiding out all day from the eclipse. It's an eclipse in Aries. So, you know, in Aries season, it's a lot of really intense energy.

So hope everybody did well during the eclipse. I don't really know what that means, but just hope that the eclipse treated you well. And I'm so excited to hear what it's like, Hen. I know. I'm excited too. I'm a little worried that there's going to hear what it's like, Hen. I know. I'm excited, too. I'm a little worried that there's going to be crazy traffic going into Burlington. We need to leave at like 6 a.m. tomorrow.

But I read an article about this man who's like an eclipse chaser today, and he's seen like a shit ton of total eclipses, solar eclipses. And he says each one was a very different experience. solar eclipses. And he says each one was a very different experience. But one thing that happens is that as like, you get closer and closer to the totality happening, shadows change, and they become shadows like warp, and they become completely different than how they normally are. And he said, I was looking at my hands, and my hands looked like claws instead of hands. is your dream because of yeah they look like curved wolverine claws i know i know so i was like maybe i'll sprout wolverine claws antlers clogs wow wow i read an article that that was really compelling and made

me someday want want to go and experience this. That, you know, the whole world for that moment in the path thinks it's becoming night. So they said that, the article said that streetlights came on. Yeah. Birds stopped chirping. Yes. That's just so bizarre. I know.

I know. Sorry to bring this up, reminds me of gerald's game oh yeah there's an eclipse oh ew fuck i forgot that was even involved in gerald's game don't even worry about it you're gonna have a totally different experience how dare you how dare you hey when you're listening to this after the Eclipse, hope nobody had a Gerald's game. Yep. Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed for that.

Always. Wow. I'm really excited to hear about all getting recaps from you, recaps from my family. If anybody else is in the totality, let us know freaking what it was like. I'm really intrigued. What about you guys? What a wild thing. Something scary did happen to me this week. Very unrelated.

But something scary did happen to me this week. And so I now get off work at 4.30, which is a dream. And I thought that meant that it would be much easier for me to be active after work. Get a little exercise, maybe get a little fresh air. But the deal is, if I come home, if I enter my home, it doesn't matter what time it is. I ain't leaving. I'm being cozy. I am. I'm such a morning exerciser. I like even with no job, i will not exercise in the second half of the day

it's just like that's not exercise time for me i i can't do morning exercise because i would just rather continue to sleep also now my work is 8 to 4 30 and what am i going to be one of those people who takes a 6 a.m exercise class like some fucking freak i used to do that i absolutely wake up at 5 30 for a 6 a.m class yeah no i i 100 will never do it uh i also don't want to get all dirty before i have to get ready for there's just a lot of i want to come i want to exercise take a shower be in pajamas go to bed i mean i don't want to but if I'm going to that's what I have to do but I have been feeling my job I I my last job which I didn't like but I was a lot more active because it was a big space and it was really disorganizing chaotic so I was constantly running around looking for things so I was moving a lot and it was two stories uh so I didn't feel the need to exercise as much I

felt I felt active I don't feel as active in this job. So I just have been feeling a little blah and wanting to exercise. So I signed up for ClassPass, which is a thing I used pre-pandemic. Because I need to find exercise classes that I can take on my way home from work. Like never go home, just exercise and then get home. So I signed up for ClassPass. And I was just looking for what's on my way home and what's at the time that I can take it. And I found a rowing class

which I've never done before. I love rowing. Wow. But yeah, I've been interested in it and again, on my way home from work at the right time. So bing, bang, boom. I've never done a rowing class, but I'll like use a rowing machine at a gym. Yeah, I'd never done it before but i was intrigued i like i like a machine i like strength i bought a rowing machine during the pandemic i remember do you remember that yes i had forgotten

where were you planning to keep it i kept it in the like because it would fold up vertically so it was just right in the back room but yeah it didn't last long i sold it pretty quick yeah yeah i can i wouldn't want to have one in my home they're big they're really big yeah so you know i don't like cardio i won't don't don't make me run to make me jump don't make no fucking way so the strength i was i thought okay i could do this so the first time doing this new exercise activity i show up and you know it's in downtown just a little weird of an area i have to get buzzed in i go up the guy who lets me in is we're just chatting you know we walk into the space there's nobody in there lights are off he turns the lights on we're just making kind of

awkward small talk to people who don't know each other. And I realize nobody else is coming. Oh, no. Wait, didn't this happen to you just recently? I don't know. This is the first time I had to take an exercise class

alone with a strange man. Oh, no. Wait, no. With aerial yoga, you were like one of the only people in there so you felt like you had to do it yes oh my god it was um when i did aerial dance oh aerial dance but at least it was i was a woman and i knew her there was one other person that was awful because aerial dance is psychotic and should be illegal this it should be illegal for a man to be alone with a woman who doesn't know in a situation that she doesn't know that's the situation she's entering into. Now, I will say he was nice.

He did not attack or murder me. And it was a perfectly fine experience. But I mean, if you had told me I was going to show up there alone, I would have done anything to not go. Yeah. Was it like a gym or wait? It was a rowing room. There were probably 10. No, probably five rowing machines, five or six.

So it's like a smaller space. But. I mean, good God, I should not have been there alone. And it was so also like truly alone like literally physically like nobody else there him and me he unlocked it taught me this fucking class and then i left nobody else there at one point we were stretching at the beginning facing each other just me and this stranger no it's so intimate making fucking small talk because what else are we supposed to do no that's horrible it was a place with big

windows but so he didn't turn the lights on because he didn't need to turn the lights on but he was had his back to the window so he could see me fully lit and I could not see his face at all and so I'm just making small talk and stretching and trying to do anything not to look at this man in the face I don't even know where his face is and it just was it really then I got in the wrong machine and thankfully I like had somewhere else to put my attention but then at one point so we do some rowing we stretch we do some rowing we get up he made me do a little bit of cardio i had to do some jumps and i wanted to be like sir absolutely not you don't think i don't want to i don't want to i'm alone i just it just was not what i thought i was standing up for and I literally never would have done it had I known it's fine I survived but I'm really

sorry but I think rowing is cardio it's it's well seated cardio I'll do seated cardio all day I like it no it is it did get to be cardio but I can do basically I can also do cardio if it is for

a purpose I can take a dance class because i'm i'm learning the dance my brain is focused i'm not just gonna hey do some jumping jacks hey run this thing hey do this fucking i had to do a like lunge jump thing it's so funny if you were like no i'm not gonna do that because you're the only one there it's like what you're gonna you're gonna fucking make me do that? Make me. Fucking make me. Oh, my God.

You cannot anger a man in a situation where it's only two of you alone in a room. Yeah, true. You don't want to be antagonistic. You must be acquiescent. Anyway, it was really scary. And I made it through, but I did not like it. Oh, I don't like it at all. Emily, I'm so glad you're okay. One hour long wow i was praying for 45 minutes one full hour oh well i'm really glad that you made it and i presume you won't be going back to that no studio

absolutely not sorry charles i cannot be coming back sorry charles sammy did anything scary happen to you this week something did yes i had a colonoscopy as you guys know for the listeners who don't know i have ulcerative colitis this has this was my third colonoscopy in like a year, basically. I've been getting them more frequently than the average person. And I actually don't mind the colonoscopies themselves because you're sedated. And they say that it's twilight sedation, but I must be sensitive to it because I always just pass right out you're out this time as she's injecting it into the iv she's like okay it's kind of it's going to be a little

slower we're doing it slower than normal and i was like i feel it already and that was my last that's the last moment i remember like whoa i really feel it already gone done woke up and it's over um but the worst part about it is the fucking prep the day before and the morning of and i just wanted to describe this to you guys because it's so horrible so the day before colonoscopy you're not allowed to have any solid foods you have a clear liquid diet i had bone broth and apple juice which is pretty you know you've got my flavors covered it could be worse if it was just water could got my flavors covered. It could be worse. If it was just water, that would be worse. Could be better.

Certainly could be better. But so I'm drinking that all day. 6 p.m. You got to drink 16 ounces of laxatives. Oh, my God. And then 32 ounces of water within an hour. So you're basically just chugging laxatives in water. And my insurance changed this year. And so it didn't cover the laxatives I used in my previous

colonoscopies. And it's like, this laxative was the most disgusting thing I've ever tasted in my entire life. I had to take Zofran so I didn't throw up while I was drinking the laxatives. It was so disgusting. I'm going to describe it. The only way I can think to describe it, it's like thick salt water that they have sweetened with like medicinal, like cherry flavored sweetening sweet thick salt water

it's it's so disgusting i had never tasted anything so disgusting and i would i would like try to take a bunch of sips to get over with and i would look back at the cup and there was no difference at all the level seemed like it just stayed the same for so long. And for some reason, I didn't think about using the apple juice as a chaser until the second dose. Because guess what? I had to wake up at 345 in the morning and do it again. You have to do it four hours prior to the procedure. The prep is terrible for that.

It's so bad. So then, yeah, you're just like, please sedate me. I'm so hungry and so upset. I can't stop pooping. So uncomfortable. It's terrible. But the good news is

I got good results this time. This was my all. It was almost a fully clear colonoscopy. So everybody knows. We love to see it. Yeah. So I don't have to get another one for three years, which is great news. That's really great news.

But my God, what a disgusting taste. I think they would have figured out a better way to do that yeah that's it's so rude it's such a kick you while you're down situation well and it's so rude that my insurance now is like oh the better tasting one no we don't cover that oh ew no take the gross one no we only cover the really disgusting one jesus christ so anybody out there with um colonoscopies coming up i'm i feel for you but god damn you know the colonoscopy itself is not so bad so and then afterwards you got to eat a bunch of easter candy oh i bought myself so many snacks. I bought bagels and cream cheese and goldfish and Easter candy, got all those discount caramel

eggs. Oh, yeah, baby. So that was really wonderful. And I truly slept all day long, which was great. Amazing. Slept and ate, slept and ate. That's what it's all about. to Nate. That's what it's all about.

Anywho, another scary thing I did this week was go to the movie theater for a new horror release. Oh my gosh. Which is Late Night with the Devil. In theaters now, but coming to

Shudder soon. It's a Shudder original. It was written and directed by Cameron and Colin Cairns, another brother duo, directing duo. They wrote, directed, and edited it. Wow. Starring David Desmalchen, Laura Gordon, Reese Autary, Ian Bliss, Faisal Bazi and Ingrid Torelli What do you guys

know about this movie? Absolutely nothing. Had you even heard of it? Jinx. Had you even heard of it? No, not until you went to see it but I saw the other day that it is very, has been very well received so I am

quite interested. Me too i don't know anything about it i know nothing yeah is this one we're gonna we're gonna hate this one are you gonna love this i don't think you'll hate it is it okay is it supernatural yes hell yes i was just thinking this morning we've done a lot of really spooky bad people and i would like supernatural please some yeah some monster demon yeah some sort of some of that so right now in theaters there's late night with the devil there's immaculate and there's the first omen so there's three yeah devil demonic horror movies in theaters right now. And I am curious about all of them. But like I said, I just feel like we're not going to have time to cover all of them.

And at least like not as they're out in theaters right now. Like certainly we could do them in the future. But I wanted to know what was the priority. So patrons chose Late Night with the Devil immaculate and um the first omen were also in the poll and this one won so here we are here we are thank you patrons love your help on this i will say i went to the movies twice this week which is more than i've been to the movies i was shocked when you texted last night that you were at the movies i was like she just she just went earlier this week absolutely madness for me but i saw the abigail trailer and it's not what i was expecting and i am interested

i think we will do that one yeah that one looks fun i'll also say i saw one of the movies i saw this week was godzilla which is fun but bad and the other movie i saw is monkey man which fucking rules so go see monkey man oh one of the other movie I saw is Monkey Man, which fucking rules. So go see Monkey Man. Oh, one of the other news things I wanted to say was there's a trailer out for Cuckoo, which has been like. Oh, yeah. Which has been delayed and delayed and delayed. And it's a horror movie with Hunter Schafer and Dan Stevens.

Dan Stevens also in Godzilla Kong. Also in Abigail. He's just in everything right now. He's in everything, which is how I would prefer it. Yeah. I would like Dan Stevens to be in everything. He was great in Godzilla Kong. He was great in Godzilla Kong.

He's great in everything, man. And the fact that he can be that guy in Godzilla Kong and Hot Scary the Guest guy. Yep. My goodness. The range. What can't he do the range the absolute range okay but right now we're talking about late night with the devil and i am excited and you are correct it has been very well reviewed it has a 97 on rotten tomatoes a 72 on metacritic and a 7.5 on imdb okay pretty good, didn't get an exact number,

but less than $2 million. Holy shit. A modest budget. Very modest. So far, it's made $8 million. So, pretty good. Some trivia related to the money that it made. This, I'm not sure if it was just a marketing ploy,

but on the Sunday of opening weekend, it made $666,666. No. The devil was speaking through the dollar bills of American citizens. Capitalism is the devil. Capitalism is the devil. I think it must be a marketing thing but it's still kind of fun as I looked it up and it's inconclusive and

some article I read said that distributors are allowed to tweak the number by up to 5% to make up for something I can't remember so I feel like it was probably in that range and they were like let's change it we gotta do this I mean, I would as well. Yeah, sure. Why not?

He tweeted that he loved it, couldn't take his eyes off it. And I got to say, I do appreciate Stephen King sees all the new releases. He does. And he tweets about them all the time. Yeah. He's a horror fan. Love the way. You got to respect. You got to respect it.

He really does support upcoming horror filmmakers. And I really do like that about him. Yeah. I do love that. Oh, and this, I can't remember if we talked about this, but in our Lake Mungo episode, you may recall that that director kind of disappeared after the movie. Not in a missing persons type way, but just in a never really made anything again, kind of fell off the map.

And he's a producer on this movie. He's back. He's back. However many, what is that? Probably a decade later, he's dipping a toe back in horror filmmaking. Wow. But what an elusive guy, I feel like. Maybe he's the devil.

Maybe. He might be the devil. We'll never know. I mean, that's one explanation. You guys may have heard about this, although I guess probably not if you hadn't heard about the movie, but this did make a splash in a negative way. A negative splash.

Because it does have AI-generated moments in it. So people were really upset about this. Like actors being AI-generated? No. So it's like a late-night talk show centered around a late-night talk show. talk show centered around a late night talk talk show and when it cuts to commercial cards come up that say like you know whatever coming back or in five minutes or whatever like we'll be back soon and the those cards were ai generated okay people were very upset about this i wrote down a statement from the directors they said in conjunction with our amazing graphics and production design team, all of whom worked tirelessly to give this film the 70s aesthetic we had always imagined, we experimented with AI for three still images, which we edited further and ultimately appear as very brief interstitials in the film.

So, you know, did they need to do that? No, but yeah, just figured I would. They did. They did do it. And it would have been before probably all the conversation, all the contract renegotiations,

even though this doesn't, this would fall under IATSE probably. Yeah. But still, even though this doesn't this would fall under iatsy probably yeah but still um i do feel like i mean it's not great but i give a little more love or uh space to people who were doing it before we all went hey this is taking away a lot of jobs and is leading down a dark path. So, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean, not the best thing for your film to be making headlines about, but. No. You know, it is what it is. And hopefully they learn from that and don't do it in the future. I remember the latest season of True Detective also had some AI generated art in it. We don't need to do that. We don't need to do it. And then last

but most importantly, I need to remind you guys of what I think of every time I see David Dalsmatchian, the star of this movie, is the time that I saw him at CVS with his child on a leash. And thank you.

I love to be reminded of it. I really do. I literally can't see him without thinking about it. I really love, I love everything about that. Because, you know, you often see people with their children on leashes in crowded, chaotic places such as Disneyland, Universal Studios. Airport. But I love that he had to put it on for CBS.

You know, trip to the pharmacy. My happiest place on earth right disneyland for some of your disney world yeah exactly exactly uh he did look very stressed the kid did look like a runner yeah no judgment do what you gotta do you know i don't have a kid and if i did they'd probably be on a leash 24 7 in my own home everywhere leash them up but it was very obviously don't come at me um my cousin was a leash kid and you know you do what you gotta do as long as they get some time off leash give them a yard or something they could run around in a fenced in area and we're good but i gotta say it came in really handy anytime anything

scary happened you just you can just go he had his can all you should cbs and it really takes he brings you right back to reality and i'll hold on to that thing yeah so that's that's a nice tool to have on hand um so we will watch the trailer for this at the end of the episode that will be available as a video on our Patreon. But I say we just get right into this 40 minutes into the podcast. I think it's time. Let's do it. In the past few years, I have hit a point where I only want to be wearing clothes that are comfortable. It happened. It happened to me. But you hit a point where I only want to be wearing clothes that are comfortable. It happened. It happened to me. But you know what? I still also want to look cute.

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be pretty good it's gonna be good yeah yeah yeah we're not worried i saw this with former guest of the pod rebecca lee we had a great time she's the best she's the best and so the movie starts you know how with independent film and foreign films sometimes there's a lot more logos than normal in the beginning of the movie because there's more production companies involved this had such an extreme amount of logos that i thought it was a bit but i looked it up later it's not it's not a bit okay this took a lot just took a lot of people. It was like probably double digits. I think we hit like 10 production companies. Wow. This is crazy.

The whole audience was laughing. It was just like, another one, another one. Oh, my God. Oh, that's very funny. That's kind of a fun way to start the movie. Uh-huh. They had to drum up that $2 million somehow. Yeah.

Yeah. Look, I get it. That's a lot of money. Yeah. Mm-hmm. We start with some, it's kind of found footage style. It's a documentary being made about this late night talk show host. So we're looking back in time, learning about a late night talk show host named Jack Delroy.

The late night show is called Night Owls. And it's one of the smaller talk shows competing with Carson. Jack Delroy, played by David Dallas-Matchin, who, you know, is making jokes about my parents are at home watching right now laughing because they're watching Johnny Carson. And so he's self-deprecating about he knows he's not the top late night talk show host. He's got his own little Guillermo. I don't watch a lot of late night talk shows. Me neither. Me either. I'm not really a big fan of them. I'll watch a clip here and there.

Kristen Stewart day drinking with Seth Meyers. I was going to say Seth R really a big fan of them. I'll watch a, I'll watch a clip here and there. Chrissy Stewart day drinking with Seth Myers. I was going to say Seth Rogen. That's not right. Different show. But I know who Guillermo is. And this Jack Delroy has his own Guillermo, the sidekick person that they chat with. Guillermo, Andy Richter. Yes, yes, Andy Richter.

This is our vibe. Yep. This guy's name is Gus. Great. There's a narrator talking over this prologue, kind of introducing us to Jack Delroy, Gus, telling us a little bit about him, where he grew up, I can't remember. Jack Delroy, Gus, telling us a little bit about him, where he grew up, I can't remember. And says him and his wife, Madeline, were this extremely solid couple for being in the entertainment industry. They were just, you know, the Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell of late night television, just totally in love.

And just a very cute couple. There is some information that Jack is a member of a gentleman's club called The Grove. It kind of comes out of nowhere and we're like, what? It's a very exclusive club for rich men, essentially, in the entertainment industry. We're seeing little clips of it, like archival clips of this gentleman's club. Looking a little culty. We're bookmarking that. What the hell is this? that what the hell is this uh now we're going back to his talk show where they're telling us that the ratings are kind of steadily declining year after year and he's trying everything to

get those ratings back up having more outlandish guests on kind of devolves into a jerry springer looking thing at one time and it's not not doing the trick not getting those ratings back up and then at some point his wife is diagnosed with terminal lung cancer oh boy despite never smoking a cigarette in her life. Oh. She comes on the show while she is going through chemo, and they have this very emotional talk on air where she's telling stories of how they met, the early days of their love and falling in love, and it's very sweet and sad and uh it gets their highest ratings in a while but it's still nowhere near carson and then shortly after she passes away and he steps away he takes a hiatus and um they go off the air for a while uh But after, I don't know if it's six months or a year, he returns and the audience is, you know, standing ovation, cheering for him. It's this like emotional return to the stage.

And the ratings are still bad. Yeah. Yeah. bad. Yeah. And he is determined to get these ratings up and so decides that they're going to

have an occult-themed show live on Halloween. This is in 1977, and the narrator tells us that what we are about to see is never-before-seen footage of that episode taping and behind the scenes content of that episode. Fun.

Fun. End of the prologue. And the rest of the movie plays out like a live hour of television. Oh, cool. Oh, cool. It's really cool. Oh, I love that. So wait, so this was supposed to have aired live.

So it did air. But it says never before seen, so it didn't air. Oh, maybe the behind the scenes stuff is the never before seen stuff. Okay. Okay. Because, yeah, it was live, so it must have aired. Right. We're assuming that this was the last episode of the show that ever aired.

We know that something bad is about to happen here. I love that setup yeah that's such a good setup yeah so we are basically starting at the beginning of an episode the little intro tune plays and jack delroy steps out does his little bit of crowd work at the beginning and he's you know says you know we got a great show for you tonight announces the lineup we've got a psychic coming his name's christu that's going to be our first act and then we have a former magician turned skeptic carmichael the conjurer he's going to come out afterwards and then we have a parapsychologist and it's very funny to be a magician turned skeptic. Like, you know, whether or not you were doing.

Yeah. Wait a minute. I think I'm doing is fake. Yeah. Then we have a parapsychologist author named June Ross Mitchell and the subject of her new book, Conversations with the Devil. It's a girl named Lily. And finally, we've got a musician,

Cleo James, going to close out the night for us. It's going to be a great show. Great. First up, let's welcome Christou. We see the live audience in the room of the studio and a lot of them are dressed up for halloween so there's people with masks on there's a little bit of an ominous feeling just from the audience i feel like looking out at some of them there's one person dressed as a skeleton that has a mask over their face that just is like sitting a little too

still, never really clapping. Masks are scary. Masks will do a lot of the work for you. Yep, yep. Very true. It's because what we don't know is the scariest thing of all. What's behind that mask? What's behind that mask?

So Christou comes up. He starts like focusing in. He's like, was behind that mask so chris do comes up he starts like focusing in he's like rubbing his fingers on his temples focusing opening up the channel for the spirits to speak to him and he goes like i'm hearing john john anybody know John? Maybe Johnson, maybe Johnny, maybe Jean. Like it's like such a blanket reach. Like it's very fake. A guy eventually stands up and is like, my ex-wife's last name is John,

or her maiden name was Johnson. And he's like, that could be it. That could be. And she's passed away. And he's like, that could be it. That could be. And she's passed away. And he's like, no, not that I know of. He's like,

Hmm. It's just so, so obviously reaching. He's not doing, it's not wowing anybody. This guy that stand up, stands up, makes him look like an idiot.

So he drops that when he's like, oh, that spirit's gone. That spirit's gone. Opening up now to another one. Let's see. And he says a more specific name this time. And I can't remember what it is, but these two women in the front row raise their hands.

It's a mother and daughter. And the younger girl says, oh, that was my brother's name. Find out that he did pass away. It's feeling really emotional. This is seeming more legit. He's saying more specifics like he says the name of this boy's teddy bear. out that find out that this uh her son had committed suicide and it's like some one of those that you would see on tv where it's like he says like he's he's at peace now and you don't have to worry about him and uh just like a very what appears to be a very successful crossing over to the other side and like a healing moment for the mom and sister. And everyone is very moved, including Jack Delroy. They're all clapping like, oh my God, that was amazing. And they're about to cut to commercial. Jack Delroy is like, thank you so much. Everybody

give it up for Chris Du. When Chris Du like drops to his knees seemingly in pain and is like, Christou, when Christou drops to his knees, seemingly in pain, and is like, ah, ah, bowled over by a very strong negative presence. And Jack is looking like, is this real? What's happening? Christou is saying, I'm hearing Minnie. Oh, this spirit is so angry. Oh, they're so angry. It's so evil.

I don't know. But we see it looks very legit and the audience doesn't see or maybe not close enough to see but we see his eyes roll up in his head so you can't see his pupils anymore and he's like almost seizing it's scary. This is a real spirit, evil spirit that is trying to speak to him. And he's begging, please, Minnie. Who knows Minnie? She needs to talk to you. And she's so angry. And nobody's speaking up. Everyone looks scared and eventually it passes and he kind of collapses on the ground gasping for air just totally overwhelmed by that and they cut to commercial this is where we get our ai generated commercial cards oh also during that the like lights were flickering in the studio studio it was dramatic christy hope you're okay and during the commercial breaks the uh footage changes to black and white so this is the behind the scenes footing footage now oh cool and so again it all plays out like as if it's real time. So we follow directly from when they cut to commercial.

Now we see them kind of resetting the makeup girl coming out and retouching all of their makeup. Christou is like asking to leave. He's like, I need to go. I need to get out of here. I need to get out of here. And the producer is like, no, no, like we've gotten the best ratings we've ever had. Like you have to stay.

Sits him down in the, you know, interview chairs. There's four chairs set up. They're going to be bringing out the next guest now. Chris Du is not really speaking. He's looking very shaken. They get him some water. But he looks like he really doesn't want to be there. This, like, black and white footage reminded me of a movie

that I haven't seen in a long time, but I remember really liking called Living in Oblivion with Steve Buscemi where it's mostly black and white. I think it also goes in color to a movie of like a behind the scenes of making a movie that's very funny movie if anybody's seen Living in Oblivion. And we're all set now for the next segment do a little countdown live in 5 4, 3 and we're back

and audience is clapping again they say oh if you're joining us we just saw quite the demonstration with Christou, Christou's like looks so bad he's just like sweaty and like just absolutely terrified and like what's to not be it was to be anywhere but there and they bring out our next guest car michael the conjurer this is our skeptic who comes out immediately starts ridiculing chris do and is just like that

performance was uh i've seen it a million times like what a hack not nice that's not nice no it's it's very rude again he was a magician all magicians are hacks it's very funny to think like yeah everybody believes everything they see. And I need to set the record straight. So he starts explaining how, you know, the basic psychic tricks work, the typical things they do, or they use vague terms terms or they'll look things up beforehand or they'll have plants in the audience and he explains away the flickering lights like you guys obviously did that in the back jack is saying like we didn't we did it and he's like uh-huh yeah i'm sure you didn't so it's like so rude to this mom and daughter who had a really emotional experience

actually yeah you're dead son he's fucking dead yeah and maybe you guys are not having a good time he's not at peace yeah yeah uh so he also has a standing offer of a hundred thousand dollars to whoever can prove without a doubt in the existence of anything paranormal. He's so confident that none of it is real that he is offering this huge... What a bummer of a time. I know. It's a real bummer. I hate this vibe. Yeah, it's really unnecessary.

So at this moment, as Carmichael is shitting on everything, being like, fake, fake, fake, it's all fake. Jack says, well, hang on a second second I didn't say this in the moment because I was a little overwhelmed but Minnie is actually the private nickname I used for my wife Madeline there's no way shit that Christy could have known that. And Chris Stu's like, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh. Yeah.

And Carmichael is still not buying it. And Chris Stu is now getting angry and yelling back, defending himself. Like, this is real. I don't know what's going on. I've never felt anything this strong. Like, Minnie has something she needs to say. And the tension is building.

They're now, like, screaming at each other. Jack is trying to get it under control, being like, gentlemen, gentlemen, like, let's take a step back. And then Christou starts projectile vomiting, like, black tar-looking liquid. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And we're like cut to cut to commercial cut to commercial cut we're backstage again christy is unconscious on the ground they carry him out they're calling an ambulance car michael's still being like i've seen this a hundred times you fucking piece of shit he's like fake vomiting is something a lot of psychics and magicians can train themselves how to do i can't remember the term obviously he ate tar before coming here so i'm not impressed oldest trick in the book

uh so christy is rushed to the hospital the producers talking to jack saying our ratings are so good. This is the best they've ever been. People are really tuning in. And I guess in the audience, there's some advertiser or sponsor. And he's like, they're feeling really impressed. You got to go over and talk to them at some point. Jack is feeling overwhelmed and pulled in multiple directions.

He's like, not now, but I will talk to them. I'm going to talk to them. They're like, this is great. This is great. We're going to be able to stay on the air. We're going to make more money. We're all going to get to keep our jobs. Cameras go back up.

Segment three. And we're live. We see Carmichael explaining again to the audience how people do that vomiting trick. He's no fun at all. Absolutely no fun. But it also is kind of fun, though, to have in this context a person who is for sure about to be proven so wrong. And I'm really excited about that. And I think he is based on a real person that this was their vibe. Next up, we have the parapsychologist June and the subject of her book, Lily, who now this archival clip comes up to fill us in on Lily's backstory. There's some footage of a satanic cult that worshipped one of Satan's minions

named Abraxas. And the mythology here, I'm not going to get correct, but I did recognize Abraxas. They talk about Abraxas in Mandy. So it's a very interesting name. Yeah. Abraxas. They talk about Abraxas in Mandy. So, very interesting name. Yeah. Abraxas. Sounds like a standardized test. Yeah, it does. Yes. What'd you get on your Abraxas?

Had to take the Abraxas four times. And so we're seeing, you know, very satanic culty footage of all these people in red robes reading from, I don't know, some devil scripture. And they eventually have a mass suicide. They all drink poison except for Lily. So she's the only surviving member of this cult. They did a lot of human sacrificing in this cult. So she's had a very traumatic childhood. She's, I think, around 14 now. And so throughout her childhood, she would see members of her family or friends being sacrificed. Oh, my God. So her and June now walk out. And there's a very funny bit in this movie where Lily just stares at all of the cameras in late night.

You're supposed to, you know, kind of act like they're not there. You're looking at the person you're speaking to. And she just answers everything like locking eyes with whatever camera. And if a camera moves next to her, it'll cut to that and she'll turn and look at that one. It's very funny. And Jack keeps telling her, you don't have to look at the cameras. Like, look at me. And she just can't stop looking at the cameras. It's very funny. And this actress reminded me a lot of Joey King mixed with Sidney Sweeney. Joey King is in the Conjuring. So that little demonic connection there probably helped me make that connection. But yeah, she was great.

Loved her in this. connection but yeah she she was great loved her in this and so after she survived this mass suicide june took her in to first you know like do therapy sessions with her and and then adopted her which seems unethical to me but how old is june is june 14 currently no no lily's 14 currently oh sorry sorry i mean lily yeah yeah lily's 14 currently okay god yes yeah that does seem unethical yeah and so she yeah is her mom but also her therapist and also sometimes hypnotizes her so she can speak to the demon that still lives inside of her and that is what conversations with the devil is about it's she's able to speak to one of these entities that was in contact with this cult that has apparently taken residence within lily

wow fun perspective to be like it was a demonic cult obviously the demon was real and was talking to them i know cult stuff it's right isn't it wild that they believed this thing like it was true and i talked to the demon sometimes yep and li, again, while staring straight into camera, describes how the demon that lives within her she refers to as Mr. Wriggles because she can feel him wriggling around. Ew! I hate that. Carmichael is rolling his eyes.

All a bunch of bullshit. And Lily makes a little mention about June thinking Jack Delroy is so handsome, kind of outs her for having a crush on him in a way that they both react to a little awkwardly, like, oh, ha ha ha. That's so funny, Lily. It's an awkward moment. And they bring out some of the items that were used in the rituals in this cult. There's like a skull and one of the texts. And there's a dagger that they would use for the sacrifices. All some nasty looking stuff. We look at that and then cut to another time for another commercial break.

We'll be right back. AI title card. And then cut to another time for another commercial break. We'll be right back. AI title card. And in between segments, the makeup lady comes around again. And Jack tells Lily, like, she's going to make sure you look pretty, like, pretty enough for the camera. And in a slightly different voice, while he's not looking, he's faced away from her. Lily says, don't I already look pretty, Jack?

You can tell it rattles him. He whips his head around. She's smiling normally at him. And he's like, of course. Yeah. It's a weird moment. Creepy. Mr. Riggle is present and he tells june backstage jack and jack and june are backstage and we do see now that it seems like they have some sort of intimate relationship they are

standing pretty closely look very comfortable being alone together perhaps this is something that minnie wants to talk about perhaps perhaps and he says that he wants to do what they discussed he wants to do the demonstration and june seems very against this. She says, I don't know, things have been getting a little more unpredictable lately. Lily has been harder to pull back from those moments when we go into the trances. It's just- She is my daughter. She does not mention that because again, I don't think that's her number one priority it's a real conflict of interest when again we talked about this on a bonus episode make money

off your children it should not be your source of income so uh but she is saying it's too dangerous there's too many variables here in the studio. There's a live studio audience. I need the setting when we hypnotize her to be extremely controlled. I need to be able to be her main focus. There can't be so many distractions around. Jack is begging her, please, please, our ratings are going through the roof. It'll be so worth it for me. She says no. She sticks to it as they're about to go back on the

producer pulls jack aside and says uh don't tell anybody this but chris do did die on the way to the hospital what oh my god uh we're gonna keep that under wraps for now, but just so you know, he did die. Yeah, he did die. Oh god. Gus hears this as well and starts freaking out. Pulls Jack aside and is begging him, we've got to end the show. This is really weird. Something really weird is going on. You're messing with things you don't understand and you're being too cavalier about this.

We need to take this seriously. Somebody is somebody is dead like we can't go on jack brushes him off no poor gus gus is looking so nervous it's like get back out there we're doing this segment four we're rolling we have now set up in the middle of the stage two chairs facing each other in one chair is lily strapped her arms and legs are strapped to the chair and june is sitting across from her and we're doing the freaking demonstration but she said no i think there's i think there is a bit of another lead up to this where jack does a very mean thing where he on air like says to the audience, don't you guys want to see a demonstration? And corners her. And Lily is like, I really want to do it.

Lily's liking the limelight and staring straight into the camera. And the demon wants to come out. Yes, exactly. And so it basically he makes June look like a real bitch for not wanting to do it and so she feels pressured real dick move so they do it and she starts by lulling lily into kind of a hypnotized state doing a like meditation focus on my voice breathe in and out and can we talk to mr wriggles and lily's head is hanging down we hear this demonic laughter i'm sure you've heard this of laughter before it's like and she slowly lifts her head up and her long hair is covering most of her face and you just see one of her eyes and it's definitely not the eye that we saw before

her face has changed into a little demon face. And the first thing she says is, Nice to see you again, Jack. And Jack is looking scared. What the fuck is going on? Electricity's flickering again. If I were one of the studio audience members here, I would be so pissed. I would be like like are you fucking

kidding me it'll be like the time that i'd stayed at a cabin with friends for fall break in college and they decided to do a ouija board and i was livid i said you do that on your own time do not bring a demon to this house while i am staying in it i didn't agree to this i did not agree to this and in the 70s too we like know that they don't have this level of production no no you know it's real it's gotta be real it's the 70s it's absolutely real uh car michael's still sitting in his chair rolling his eyes like sure whatever the chair is levitating now a lot of undeniable proof that this is real but car michael's like fake fake fake fake and it's clear that it's getting out of control

the audience is told to be very quiet but they're gasping and they're shocked by what they see so they're not able to be completely quiet and them gasping or calling out is turning the demon slash lily's attention towards them so june is saying like lily look at me look at me look at me back to me back to me and she's not looking lights are going out now there's power surges there's like electricity flaring and people are screaming carmichael goes and unplugs something and the lights go back to normal and he's like it's all bullshit this is all bullshit and in that moment the chair like comes back down she's able to look lily and june are able to look in each other's eyes and she's like back to me and lily kind of returns to herself and is immediately so embarrassed it's really it's really um sad again why children

should not be made to do performances for the sake of adults um and she's humiliated she's like i'm so sorry oh also in this in the moment where it is the demon speaking, Mr. Riggles speaking, she fully reveals that Jack and June are having an affair live on air. And we're getting the sense that this is either Minnie or the demon knows about Minnie. And she had said things like how could you jack how could you and so so perhaps this has been going on since before his wife died right yeah yeah uh oh and then one of the things sorry while they're the the demonstration is happening jack says like who are you what are what what do you want and lily slash demon says we first met under the tall trees and the gentleman's club that he's part of

the grove the footage that we saw of that was like in a forest so we're like okay so okay now lily's back to her normal self she's apologizing i'm so sorry she's so embarrassed june is furious with jack obviously cut to commercial we get them back in the chairs she's like i june is yelling at jack like i told you what did i tell you this was a bad idea i can't believe you made me do that he's like i'm sorry i. Like, we'll just close out the show. Like, we won't do that again. Segment five, come back. We're live.

And they're all back sitting in the chairs. Carmichael, Jack, June and Lily. And Jack says, how do you explain that, Carmichael? And he goes, you know what? I can do you better than explain it. I can show you how I would do it. He's like, gonna need a volunteer oh no oh no here we go and gus goes like uh-oh feel sorry for whoever the volunteer is and he's like you'll be perfect gus no no oh no gus no gus over it to the same two chairs set up they're facing each other and car michael

pulls out a watch and is you know swinging it from side to side he's like just stare at the watch and then he does waves his hand over it and the face of the watch turns into this little black and white spiral that's hypnotizing him he's like just stare at this and and the spiral is taking up like the whole screen of the movie so you're just like staring at this for a while it's almost like it's going to be um one of those optical illusion things and they're putting it up on the screen in the theater as well uh in like the studio. So everyone can see this very close up in there, just like stare at it, stare at it. And he does that for a while and then he sets down.

He's like, okay, so Gus, how are you feeling? Gus says, like, I'm so hot. It's so hot in here. And he starts like taking off his jacket and starts taking off his undershirt. And it's Donnie darko all over again where we're just like hypnotizing people should be illegal it's not right we find out that gus is very afraid of worms and i think he might just ask him he's like what's your biggest fear and he's like

worms he says why do you hate worms so much he like, because they're wriggly and they don't have arms or legs and they're slimy and gross. And then Carmichael says, Gus, what's on your neck? his neck and he Gus says you know I cut I cut myself shaving oh yeah and he's like I don't think that's it like is that all that happened and Gus reaches towards the cut and starts pulling out a worm Carmichael is evil Carmichael is the problem Carmichael needs to go home right now but we're all seeing it too and we're scared and he starts pulling more and more worms out of his neck. Gus is screaming. And then he's like, worms, worms. Like, I can feel them all over me. I can feel them inside of me. And he like rips open his undershirt. And like, we see his belly moving in a way like there's worms under his skin. We see his belly moving in a way like there's worms under his skin. And he uses his fingers to rip his own stomach open. And all these worms are pouring out. Everybody's screaming.

It's disgusting. And then Carmichael snaps and says, back to me. Everything goes normal again. Everyone's shocked. What the fuck? We all don't know what the hell just happened. Everyone's shocked. What the fuck? We all don't know what the hell just happened.

And Carmichael says, I just, you know, that's the power of hypnotism is I can make you see things that aren't there. He's like, play back the tape, play back the tape. And we rewind the tape and see that none of it had happened. He's like, I basically hypnotized the whole audience. And they even do a thing where Jack turns to the audience and he's like, did everybody see the worms? And like five people raise their hands like, I didn't. And he's like, so I didn't get everybody. It's not 100% effective, but most people did. And that's pretty impressive. And like, that's what happened. And Gus is okay. He didn't actually hurt himself. Okay. For now. For now. And so this is pretty compelling. We all like okay maybe that is what happened for this previous demonstration and it was all faked and then lily chimes in and says if you think that playback

our section of the tape as well and you'll see whether or not it was real so they're like okay yeah good idea oh yeah it was real. So they're like, okay, yeah, good idea. Oh, yeah. Okay, sure. They're running overtime now. It's supposed to be going on to Cleo James, the musician. And they're like, oh, we didn't plan for all of this. And we're like, we got to go to Cleo James.

And the audience is like, no, no. Like, we got to see the tape. And Jack makes a game time decision. I can't leave the audience hanging like this cleo we'll have you back next week sorry cleo sorry cleo we gotta go to commercial and when we come back we'll watch this part of the tape again and we go to commercial, come back, and we're playing it back, and guess what? It's real. We are not. We're seeing exactly the same thing again, the levitating, the demonic face. And we see a brief image of Madeline's ghost behind Jack.

So not only are we seeing everything we saw we're seeing additional things that weren't oh god in the studio what does carmichael have to say about that carmichael is furious at jack he says i can't believe this is unethical of you because you had to do this beforehand you filmed and edited the exact same thing like that is not right and jack is like i didn't do any of this like what are you talking about there is they do find out earlier that one of the odd not the mother and daughter but the first guy that chris stew was talking to was an audience plant the one that not a very good one the one that got debunked and like made him look like an idiot but it's enough to know that the

producers had been meddling in the show at one point. And so Carmichael is convinced that this was all a setup and you must have filmed this beforehand. June is saying, like, I don't know what else you need. This is this is proof like it's happening in front of your eyes. And they're all screaming at each other. Things are once again getting out of hand. And then Lily starts kind of moaning and folding, like hanging her head down, like as if her stomach hurts. And we turn, people are turning to Lily.

Lily, are you okay? What's going on? okay what's going on she whips her head up and starts screaming and she has this like electric electricity pulsing around her like she uh i don't know has these like little bolts of electricity vibrating along her skin and then she starts screaming and her arms whip out to either side and full bolts of electricity are like connecting her to the tvs and the lights and she's screaming and screaming everybody's screaming now the audience even carmichael looks convinced and scared yeah i mean electricity is coming out of a girl. Yeah. It feels hard to fake. Hard to fake. In the 70s.

In the 70s. In the 70s, you absolutely can't fake it. Then her head splits open, hot dog style. No. And it's- Can't fake that. It's glowing. It's not gory. It more just looks like-

A light's coming out yes and like how godzilla's radiation comes out of his mouth yeah yeah hell yeah and uh gus is seeing sitting close to her and stands up to run away and she turns to him and we're hearing the demonic voice. This is obviously not Lily anymore. And she turns to Gus and just does a motion of her hand and Gus's head spins 360 degrees. Just snaps. He falls onto the table. Glass shatters everywhere. Glasses, all their like water glasses are spontaneously exploding

people are running out of the studio screaming yeah june is trying to be like lily back to me back to me and lily now this june and june's cross necklace starts strangling her and pulling her up in the air and eventually slits her throat june's dead carmichael drops to his knees finally believing and she looks at him and he just starts melting i think i can't remember exactly things get a pretty crazy here but yeah yeah yeah i'm pretty sure his skin melts off his body and he just like liquefies ew and all this chaos is happening jack is watching this all unfold, and then it snaps to an empty studio, and it's just him there. And he's confused, doesn't know what the fuck is going on, and starts reliving moments that we had seen in the opening prologue, like the conversation with his wife. conversation with his wife, but he's reliving them as him in this present moment. And so he's just basically like, what the fuck in all of these moments where he's supposed to be on live television and everyone's like shocked by him having this conversation with his wife where

he's just like, what's going on? What's happening? And they're like, what do you mean, Jack? Like, what? Like, are you okay? And he's just being dropped in and out of these moments in time of his career and spiraling in confusion. And it's very disorienting. And he ultimately ends up, the stage set opens up revealing a hospital bed where his wife is, her deathbed. And he runs to be at her bedside and he's crying and he's like, Minnie, I don't know what's happening. I'm so like, I don't know what's going on. And she's soothing him, but obviously mad about something. And she's saying again, like, I don like, how could you let it happen, Jack?

How could you do that? She says something like, he's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And she's like, you did this to me. Was it worth it? And we learn somehow, I can't remember exactly how, but at the Grove, the weird gentleman's cult club, he made a deal with, I guess, Mr. Riggles, or at least Mr. Riggles knows about it, to essentially sacrifice his wife for success in the industry. For success in the industry. And she's like saying, was it worth it?

Was it worth it? So she knows. I think because she's like also Mr. Riggles. Now she's dead. Mr. Riggles, maybe. Yeah.

And he's crying and he's like, please forgive me. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. No, I ain't going to forgive you for that no no and she says i'm in so much pain jack please just kill me and we look over at the hospital side table and there's the dagger that was used in the cult sacrifices and he's begging her no please i can't do that i can't do that she's like, it's the least you could do. Put me out of my misery that you put me in. And he's crying, but he grabs the dagger. And he's just saying like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And stabs her in the heart. And then it cuts back to present day set. He has stabbed Lily in the heart. Oh, geez. And we see all the dead bodies around him.

Gus, June, Carmichael, now Lily. And the rest of the studio is empty. He's crying. And he starts, like, snapping his fingers. And he's like, back to me. Back to me. He's, like, trying to snap himself out of it. And that's the end of the movie.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. So we have to talk about whether this was actually seen by people or not. Are we supposed to believe people saw this? I would imagine that they took it off air at some point.

And so some of the earlier segments, I bet people saw. And then they were like, we probably should stop after all these people have died on air. And because we're all also gone, I'm sure the people backstage have also fled at some point. Yeah. Wow. Dang. This is why you don't make a deal with the devil. No, you really don't.

Pretty simple. Not for career success. My God, how boring. wow dang oh this is why you don't make a deal with the devil no it's really pretty simple career success my god how boring and also like when did he make this deal because he was not having a ton of success i mean he was well and it seems like this is you know that's the thing about making a deal with the devil we know this by now the devil's gonna fuck with you the devil's gonna give you their version yep whatever this Whatever this is, you know, this episode, I'm sure, ratings shot through the fucking roof. Yeah. Yep.

There's always an asterisk. There's an asterisk. There's always some fine print when you make a deal with the devil. You gotta read that fine print. You gotta read the fine print. This was fun, though. This is a fun one. It's very fun.

And it felt very unique. Yeah. It just, i had not seen anything like it and i feel like that's hard to do these days uh also you can kind of you kind of know what you're headed towards but it's still like fun to anticipate it's not like one where you like know where you're headed towards you the whole time you're just like i know we're headed towards this thing and i hate this i hate this it's like a fun a fun journey to get there yeah and we didn't do a lot of explaining here's the logistics of the cult and the demon it's i love that it's just you fucked with a demon and chaos ensues and a bunch of people die and

that's that and it's going to be spooky and scary yeah that's i feel like that's refreshing for me yeah i will say it's not super scary i do feel like the first half of it is not really scary at all but it's a very i love you know we've talked about this a million times i love a wild third act and it gets a little mind bendy and weird dipping in and out of realities and i really enjoyed that uh but there's not too it's it's not like super scary and maybe i just feel that way because i could just always picture him with his kid on elation cvs that's it that's it and now all of us can picture that as well. So thank you. Thank you. It's really important. What a fun time. Yeah.

This was nice. This was really nice. Thank you, patrons. Yeah, I feel good. I feel good. You picked a good one. Thank you, patrons. And yeah, I think it'll be on Shudder pretty soon. So if you feel like checking it out, I think it'll be available, you know, in the near future.

Amazing. And it's a quick one. I think it's a 90 minute one. Easy breezy. Easy breezy. Flew by, baby. This doesn't get better. It doesn't get better than that.

Yeah. I had a fun time with this one. And glad to not ruin your guys' days. Yeah. Not ruined at all. Yeah. Day not ruined. Thank you.

I'm feeling great. Thank you. I'm feeling great. Thank you. Okay, well, we will be back next week with I think a pretty special episode. I think it's going to be special if I had to guess. If I had to guess, it'll be Emily's birthday episode. Yeah.

It'll be special for me. It'll be special for me. No. Brace yourselves. you may be able to guess what direction we might be heading yeah I can't wait personally and yeah

so we'll see you then I'll do a demon voice for us to sign us out let me do the laugh to like get into it I'll do a demon voice for us. Thank you. To sign us out. Thank you. Let me do the laugh to like get into it. From all of us here at Too Scary to Watch. Goodbye.

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