Too Scary; Didn't Watch - LONGLEGS with Alicia Witt

Episode Date: July 31, 2024

Zero spiders, endless vibes - we're recapping LONGLEGS! This episode has been edited from a LIVE video episode available on our Patreon! Tune in to hear Sammy's eerily perfect Nick Cage accent and a wonderful interview with Alicia Witt at the end of the episode <3Movie Stats @ 16:43Recap starts @ 29:40Alicia Witt Interview @ 1:49:31TrailerMERCH!!!!! ALL HAIL HELLCHELLA!!!Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sami and I love watching scary movies.

And so I watch them so that you don't have to. And today's movie is one of our most anticipated of the year. I've been so freaking excited to tell you guys about this movie. I can't wait to hear about this movie. As we know, it was conjured from the deep dark recesses of Sammy's mind. My subconscious, yeah. Sammy made this movie happen. I manifested it.

Not in any tangible way, but in intangible ways, Sammy made this movie. Yes, yes. And we are currently live. We're currently live. Hello, viewers. Hello, hello. Anything can happen.

Anything can happen. And just a little announcement is that we also have an interview with one of the actors in this film, Alicia Witt, that will not be included in this live stream because I don't know how to do that, but it'll be in the audio episode that comes out Wednesday. And I'm really excited for you guys to hear that as well. It's so good.

And it will be in the video episode. Yes. That's partially this video, but not the live one. Yeah, and it will be in the video episode. Yes. That's partially this video, but not the live one. Yes, exactly. And then that together into one non-live video. Exactly. On our Patreon. Yes.

I can barely keep track. Yeah, it's a lot. It's confusing. It's a lot. But we're having the time of our goddamn lives. One thing is true, no matter where we are, we're having the time of our goddamn lives. One thing is true, no matter where we are, we're having the time of our goddamn lives. Always.

And a little bit of haunted housekeeping, Hellchella updates. We have merch, Hellchella merch, Percher merch. Woo, Percher merch. Bonfire.com slash Hellchella. We've got a little like tour style. Can you believe the URL was available? That's shocking.

Absolutely shocking. Yeah, Emily designed these shirts with all of the movies. Verbiage. You did. And just because I know everyone's dying to know this is the first question I had, Emily bought an XL t-shirt. So that's the size she's wearing.

It's an XL. I always panic and get the wrong size. This has happened multiple times. It even might have happened recently for something that might relate to one of you guys. But I panic and get the wrong size of something sometimes. And I didn't this time. I got an XL and I'm thrilled. It hasn't come in the mail yet, but I'm waiting. Baited breath. What's the other thing?

I'm not telling you. It's about me. No, it's not. I said either one of you. It's a great XL. It really works out. And what I like is that I said either one of you. It's a great XL, it really works out. And what I like is that it's the neck band isn't too big. Sometimes you purchase an XL and it's a big old neck band. I want a big body, small neck, big body, small neck. Big body, small neck.

Neck body, neck body. Neck body, neck body, head body, head body. I am wearing a vintage TSCW shirt. TSCW vintage. Wowie. That is actually- I love that one. Still available for purchase on Redbubble. If you go to Redbubble

and search for Too Scary Didn't Watch. Two different sites, two different lives. Ah! We gotta get it together. Ah. And I'm wearing a shirt that Emily got me from the location where she works. So well, whatever we're doing, wherever we are, we are having the time of our goddamn

lives. Oh, the other thing I wanted to say about Hellchella, we will have our final live show in August, August 25th at 430 p. PM, we will be recapping Alien Romulus again here on Patreon. What a way to go out. I'm so excited. Alien Romulus and Long Legs have been my number one, number two. We're so blessed.

We are so blessed. What a wonderful summer. Oh, hell shall I forever. I know. I know. I know. And I think that's all the haunted housekeeping for today. I think you're right. So tell me, did anything scary happen to you guys this week?

We're playing with fire right now because Tim is still out of town and my parents are putting sauce and made a bed. And moments before this, my dad just walked in. I've reminded him that I'm doing a video, a live video episode, and he literally went, yeah. And walked out. We might get a cameo. So.

Love to see it. He could come back. He could come back, I'm not sure. And the fact that the door is just directly behind you, it always scares me when someone walks through that door. It's an actual jump scare for me. And so to have it happen and to have it be like, not one of the people my brain is expecting

to see walk through that door is also gonna really freak me out. And it could be a while till you see it cause there's also a good chance it could be Silas. I'll forget about it. Yeah, I'll forget about it. I'll really get scared. Silas has transitioned into a bunk bed

so he can escape his bed. Oh boy. So there's a possibility he could be bursting into this room. Top bunk or bottom bunk? Bottom bunk. He's too little for the top bunk. He has his-

The bottom bunk is like a little cave. It's a little spooky down there. Like I don't really like it. I don't know why people prefer the top bunk. Oh, I was gonna say, I like a bottom bunk is like a little cave. It's a little spooky down there. Like I don't really like it. I don't know why people prefer the top bunk. Oh, I was gonna say, I like a bottom bunk. I like the top bunk because you're looking at the ceiling, the bottom bunk, you're looking at this creepy little bottom of the top bunk.

Well don't get a creepy bunk bed. Well, I was like thinking we need to put something up above so it's not as like. Make it like a four poster. Give him like a little curtain and a little curtain. Make like a fancy little king. Give him a little king bed. He should be a king.

That's a good thing to tell a three-year-old. You're my king. Right now it's firetruck themed. So it could be a little kingdom for a fireman. King of the firetrucks, yeah. Anyway, so who knows, who knows? So the scary thing is just anything could happen. It's a fireman. King of the fire trucks, yeah. Anyway, so who knows, who knows? So the scary thing is just anything could happen. It's live, baby, it's live.

It's live. And this is just what it must feel like to be on SNL. You know, it just must feel the exact same way. So unpredictable, so much adrenaline. So much adrenaline. Yeah, same workplace environment. Yeah, that's the amount of adrenaline coursing through my veins right now. It's really powerful.

You can see it. You can see it. Really powerful stuff. I was up till 3 a.m. last night preparing as is the way. Right, joke after joke after joke. Yeah, I feel like my work's really paying off. I've got Joel over here with cue cards. Yeah, she's telling me everything to say.

Yeah, anyway, so I don't know. That's the scary thing is that it's hard to take care of children and we all know that. We all know, we all know, who cares? Some of us know intimately though, you know, and others of us don't. What about you guys? of us don't. What about you guys? Well, other than I'm coming to you live post facial because I'm on a strict facial routine

for the wedding. She's in it folks. And I wasn't going to throw, I was not to get, and guess what? It's every four weeks. So live alien Romulus year, I'm also going to be coming to you post facial. And I'm not moving my appointment. Other than that, also just talking about fucking wedding stuff. Guys, I'll be so glad when it's over.

I mean, I can't wait to do it. Yeah. But I can't wait till it's over. We started working on seating charts. Mm-hmm. It's really hard. Mm-hmm. I was like, I don't think that'll be that hard.

Everybody's friends, it's fine. Like everybody likes each other. No, it's like very, very hard. And I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but it's also like, every choice I make, I'm imagining the myriad of ways in which anyone's feelings could be hurt by it. And it's like, I love everybody there.

That's why they're coming to my wedding. Yeah. They know that, right? It's tough, yeah, cause you're also having like a small, small wedding where it's like, you want everyone to sit in like a big circular table, basically. What I really want is to have everybody sit in a big circle and Joel and I are just in the center. Yeah, and everyone's silent,

except for when they're talking to you. I want it to be like the midsummer dinner. Where it's just like- You guys are on like a lazy Susan situation in the middle. Yes. That would be the least stressful day for it to work. So maybe I can figure that out. Well, let me remind you,

I feel like I've told you this again recently, but it's still so funny to me. I put my mom in charge of the seating chart for our wedding. I thank God, thank God to my mom. God bless you, I love you so much. Somehow though, for my wedding, I was sitting across, the person sitting directly across from me

was Tim's friend's new girlfriend, who they've since broken up, who I can't even remember her name. She was the person directly across from me for my wedding. And I remember thinking, I have so little time to speak to anyone, yet I'm spending the most time. You're just absolutely spinning like every second of that dinner.

So, so mom dropped the ball a little bit. She was just as like uncomfortable. Do you know what I mean? She was like, I shouldn't be here. I should not be here. I'm sure she didn't wanna be there either. She wanted to be a safe distance away from the main event. From the bride who she doesn't know.

Hanley, to make up for it, would you prefer, Joel and I are at a table just by ourselves. Should we put you just directly across from us? Yes, that would make me more comfortable. Just you and us, okay. Yes. All right, so that's one decision made. Yes. Your back is to everyone else in the room. You're. Just you and us. Okay. Yes. All right.

So that's one decision made. Yes. Yes. Your back is to everyone else in the room. You're just staring right at us. I would love that. Thank you. Pretty funny.

I'm not taking that as a joke. I'm assuming. Okay. And my feelings are going to be really hurt if that's not the case. Well, I've done it again. I've done it again. Anyway, it's fine. It's going to be great.

It's just- I know. I know. So many stupid little things to occupy a brain. The decisions stack up. It's one decision after another. It's okay. It's okay. It's gonna be great. Yeah.

No one's gonna have their feelings hurt, by the way. No. No one's actually, no, that's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. No. No, it's not gonna happen. It's gonna be a perfect day for everyone in every way. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait.

Sammy, what do you think is scary happened to you this week? Well, you guys know that I had the flu for like two weeks, became laryngitis, became pink eye, pretty gross. Pretty tough. Pretty tough. Pretty tough. And I was finally feeling healthy-ish, honestly, like not fully recovered, but like enough to be living my regular life.

When all of a sudden I started getting body aches and a fever and was like, no, no, no, no, what the fuck is this? It was so, I could not accept what was happening. It was just the exact same feeling as the flu. And I was like, I just did this. This just happened. This isn't right. This isn't right.

Took a COVID test and I got COVID. I can't fucking believe that. I just cannot believe that happened. I mean, I suppose if your immune system was maybe still not 100%, but it's just like very mean. It was really mean. It felt personal. It felt really mean that that happened.

Felt personal. And I also just wanna quickly assuage the listeners that in a few weeks, you're going to hear an episode that was recorded while Sammy had COVID. She does not COVID again. I mean, I guess I don't know what the future holds. But I just, that one, that time, that's what we're talking about. I don't want everyone to freak out.

Yeah. So I was sick for like a month. I mean, in total. The COVID was actually not so bad. I felt bad for like a day and then was pretty much fine, but just like kept testing positive for COVID, which sucked. But in that time, another kind of scary thing that I did was I watched 30 hours of Love Island in like three days.

Oh, good for you. The USA? Yeah, it's really good, Henley. I know I already told you, but... I can't wait. I can't wait. I love it. I'll probably finish it tonight. I only have a couple episodes left. I think there's 35 or 36. Actually, I'm not sure, but it's not as many as season one of UK. It's not 52. Well, they also do like weekly roundup episodes.

Yeah, and you skip those ones after Sun. Okay. Or only watch those ones. Actually, I don't know if they're recaps or they're just like kind of checking in with the people that got eliminated type of thing. I've never watched them. I skipped them. I'm like, I need the next episode right now. I meant to tell you guys that I watched all of Presumed Innocent and all of Dark Matter and let me tell you how.

I watched it on two times speed silent mute on my phone. And that's the way the filmmakers intended. They've, you can tell they shot it to be sped up double speed and no sound. I'm muted, completely muted. If you listen to it, you'd hear them talking really slow. So I got the Josette captions on, of course. Of course.

That's fast reading. It's because I- She's a fast reader. I just realized, I just realized while I was feeding May, I was like, what am I doing? I could be getting my shows in. So- My shows.

I like balance it on my knee. She's absolutely like mainlining all the shows. And I'm gonna do that with Love Island. That's next. That's next. Great. I feel like Love Island, it can be watched that Island. That's next. That's next. Great. I feel like Love Island can be watched that way.

It's meant to be watched that way. I wouldn't recommend Presumed Innocent that way necessarily. No, I liked it at regular speed. Nonetheless, that is how I watched it. I liked hearing it. That is, and I would have loved to hear it too. I liked hearing it. I would have loved to hear it.

I would have loved that. I liked hearing the show. I didn't get that. I didn't get it. Love Island will be good for this. I support that. to hear it. I would have loved that. I didn't get that. I liked hearing the show. I didn't get it. Love Island will be good for this. I support that. Okay, great.

Yeah, I mean, just the two times speed, I don't know why that really helped me. Hey, you get it done in half the time. Well, I think it's because I'm frustrated that I could only watch 15 minutes at a time. You know what I mean? And so now I can watch half an hour at a time. Which is, yeah, like essentially an episode

if it's a half hour show. Right. And if it's an hour show, it's half the show instead of a quarter. So. Oh my God. Here we are breaking down time again. Oh, God.

It's always requires some revisiting, you know, time is really confusing. Time, I mean, will we ever get to the bottom of it? I don't think so. It's all happening right now, actually. Crazy. Oh, and I would love to talk about Dark Matter, which is also about time, which I thought was like

the most boring show about the craziest concept in the entire world. Even at double speed? Yeah, it was like so predictable and stupid. Damn, they really fucked that one up. Damn. That's crazy. Dark Matter Burn.

I thought it was bad B-A-D, but I watched the whole thing. But maybe it's very sound heavy, you know? That would have made it worse, I think. I enjoyed it, it beat me to it. I was happy it was beat. Wow. Okay. Oh.

Yeah, well, I'm glad you made it through the whole thing. That's really happy for you. What's important is that you sped watched it silently in absolute darkness and pitch black. But I'm so excited about this week's movie. Yeah, you guys, let's talk about it. Long Legs. Oh my God.

In theaters now, written and directed by Osgood Perkins. We remember him from The Black Coat's Daughter, Legally Blonde. And Legally Blonde. And reminder that he's Anthony Perkins' son of psycho fame. Long Legs is starring Michael Monroe, Blair Underwood, Alicia Witt, and Nicolas Cage. Wow. And you guys, I mean, you know how much I love Nicolas Cage.

Truly like every performance. I left this movie just almost emotional about how Nicolas Cage is just the greatest artist of our time. Like, he's such a fearless performer. I just think it's so, the things that he's been doing the last like, I don't know, 10 years or, I mean, his whole career,

but he's just always changing it up, doing different stuff. He's not slowing down. He's not slowing down. He's not slowing down. I love the choices he's been making lately and I just feel so lucky to be a witness to it. Wow. And you know what's interesting is I feel, well, have you been in anything like super

mainstream recently? I feel like he's been in a lot of really good things that haven't necessarily been part of the mainstream conversation. you know what I mean? He was in Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse, which was voice acting, but he was in it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I was just like, I say that's the other cool thing is that he's like working and doing

really cool things, but he's not necessarily, if you're not like tapped in a Nicholas Cage, you wouldn't be like, he wouldn't be on your radar necessarily in the same way. Yeah. Yeah. God, that's a scary thought. I know. No, I wanted to bring it up because I figured it would strike straight to the bone. I'm absolutely shudder to think.

Yeah, she's been upset. She's disturbed by this, I can tell. Yeah, what are your guys' feelings about Long Legs? Having not heard about it, have you guys seen any of the marketing for it? I don't think I have. So the marketing, I can tell, has been really good because I've been seeing things everywhere, like Michael Monroe on talk shows and various pictures of her. And I have been, every single time I see it,

I swipe it away. I say, do not tell me, I do not want to know a single thing about this movie. So I've been avoiding it at all costs. But the algorithm keeps giving it to me and I'm pushing it away and pushing it away. So I don't know away so I don't know anything. I don't know a thing.

The algorithm keeps giving it to me and I keep pushing it away. But yet it still keeps coming back. Anyway, so that's it. I don't know anything else. All I know is that I keep seeing it everywhere. It's really interesting to me how little I know about this movie. Like, I don't... I have almost no way to... Anticipate what's about to happen?

Yeah, I've got no idea. The one little interview I maybe read or saw a snippet of was Michael Monroe saying she did not interact at all with Nick Cage on set until they were literally shooting their scene together. Yep. Which I'm very intrigued by. I'm thinking what does that mean?

I think it just did what all horror movie marketers need to do, which is like, don't tell us what happens in the fucking movie. Yeah, show us less. Don't tell us the whole movie. It's so frustrating. Just stop doing that. Stop doing that.

And I will say, the other thing that I am intrigued by is it does seem like this movie is not what people expected. About spiders. I think it's not about spiders. I think it's not what people expected. I think it's not about spiders. I think it's not what people expected. And I think that I'm interested in hearing mixed, I haven't gotten anything concrete from anyone I know who's seen it, but the feedback seems mixed.

And that is always intriguing to me that there's a movie out there that some people could really love. And some people are like, I hate it. Like I'm just like, what's it doing? Yeah. The, it not being about spiders did remind me. I have a friend who went to see it and asked for one ticket to daddy long legs on accident.

One for daddy long legs, please. I like really thought it was going to be about spiders, One for daddy long legs please. I like really thought it was gonna be about spiders, but everything was hinting at no spiders involved. No spiders involved, no. Yeah. Not a single spider. That's really funny. I'm also, it's rare to go to a movie ticket counter

and ask for a ticket to a movie. And that must be what they were thinking. Oh, you could do this. I know you don't have to usually do this, but you know what movie you're seeing? You're seeing Lolli's Long Legs. Daddy, look! Oh, it's really funny.

Okay, Long Legs has a 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, a 77 on Metacritic, and a 7.2 on IMDB. There's pretty high numbers. The budget, couldn't get a clear number, but under 10 million seems to be confirmed. Okay. So, you know, whatever that means. And so far it's made 65.7 million.

Wow. Great. That makes this the highest grossing independent horror movie of all time. What? Holy shit. Domestically, a dethroned Talk To Me. Oh, okay. Talk To Me still made more money globally, but long legs beat it in domestic.

And it also is the highest grossing neon film of all time. That's the production company. That's great. Whoa. De-throning parasite. So. Wow. Holy shit.

Setting a lot of records. And I think, yeah, the marketing like. That's crazy. Had a lot to do with it because I haven't seen a marketing campaign quite like it in, I mean, ever, I guess. And so I feel like every, it just like created a lot of intrigue, which is what should be happening instead of being like, Hey, here's what is going to happen in this movie.

Do you want to go see a movie that's about exactly this? This is this happened in it. Do you want to see it? Right. It like was, it made it like very mysterious and they did a marketing thing where they put numbers up on billboards that you could call and I was too scared to call it. I was like, I don't want to hear whatever that's at. It said you can call the man downstairs. That was what the number was too. And I was like, no, I'm not going to be calling the man downstairs.

Oh, scary. No, thanks. So yeah, it like, it seemed everything I saw leading up to it seemed like genuinely very scary. I was very scared to see this movie. I think a lot of people felt disappointed that it's not as scary as they were led to believe, which I kind of agree with. I don't think it was not as scary as I expected, but it is like so unsettling. It's like more about the like tone and vibe of it than... And I feel like this happened with the Babadook as well.

Like people were like, it's not even scary when it's like, I don't know, there's certain horror fans that just like have an idea of exactly what they wanted it to be and then it's something different. And so, I don't know, I too have heard like mixed reactions, some people really vibing with it and some people being like, what the fuck was that? I'm more of the former. I had a great time. And yeah, I'm very excited to tell you guys about it.

Well, yours is the only opinion I care about. Great. And I think we should watch the trailer. It doesn't, you know, I think I want you guys... It doesn't give away too much. It doesn't give away too much. And I mean, if you guys see it... Obviously, if you guys know nothing about the movie, it's going to give away too much. It doesn't give away too much. And I mean, if you guys, obviously if you guys know nothing about the movie, it's gonna give away more than that, but.

A little bit, a little bit more, yeah. But, ooh, it's a good trailer and. What if we watch it at two times speed with no sound? That's interesting. Will we learn anything about the movie at all? I like that idea. Good, good. The captions are just like, spooky music, spooky music.

Yeah. Okay, I'm excited. music, spooky music. Yeah. Okay, I'm excited. I want to see it. I haven't seen the trailer. Okay, here we go. Is it scary being a lady FBI agent? Yeah. Take a nice long look.

A letter was left with the bodies Signed with one word Uggghh I saw a beast rise up out of the sea With seven heads and ten horns And on his horns he wore ten crowns On each head was written a blasphemous name, what aren't you telling me? He'll kill and kill again.

I know you're not afraid of a little bit of dark. Because you are the dark. Do you still say your prayers? No! No! Never once. They scared me? No! No! Number one? They scared me. No!

You could have... been nice with me. But you didn't. And that... is that. All... to... this. Show me less. Well, that looked pretty fucking scary.

That looked really scary. That looked like the definition of scary. It's- I'm unwell. I'm unwell. Yeah. Yeah. Is it scary?

It's like a different kind of scary than I think maybe the trailer leads you to believe. Yeah. Is it scary? It's like a different kind of scary than I think maybe the trailer leads you to believe. It's more like, it like starts off very Silence of the Lambsy. And so you're just like, it's, I was like scared just thinking about how serial killers are real. Yeah, that's very scary. And so, kind of, there's elements like that that rattle me. But there's not as much like... I don't think there's really any jump scares.

And it's like kind of hypnotizing in a way. The vibe of it is like very... The vibe itself is scary to me, The vibe itself is scary to me of like dark, cold interiors in an unnamed, small, rural town is very scary. That is just in and of itself scary. With these religious overtones and clearly, you know, unhappy people. So yeah. you know, unhappy people. So. Yeah. I loved hearing what Nick Cage is doing with his voice.

Choices, right? Just like. I did really love that. How does he keep finding new things to do? Like, I would have thought we would have heard all of his voices by now, but nope. This felt like a new Nicolas Cage performance. Just incredible. He's such a gift. Okay, should we get into this recap?

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well, you're slim and you're weak. You've got the teeth of the hydra upon you. You're dirty sweet and you're my girl. Um, probably some T-Rex playing. Great band. Yeah, I haven't listened to T-Rex in a long time. As someone who doesn't like music, I like T-Rex. So I didn't want that to be tainted by this movie.

It is a little bit, so sorry. We see a young girl in a house, yeah, rural. It's winter, there's a lot of snow. It's very white, the house is white and a car pulls up in the driveway. This little girl notices the car pulling up. She goes and puts a jacket on to go outside to see who it is. There's no one in the driver's seat but there's someone in the passenger seat that just has a black cloak over their head, but it's like in the distance and you can't really see

and she's kind of squinting like, what is that? And then we hear cuckoo. What? And she turns and sees a man kind of walk behind the house out of view and she turns to follow him. Oh God. And she goes around back of the house out of view, and she turns to follow him. Oh, God. And she goes around back of the house and is looking around and can't see him.

And then he just appears. It's like a jump scare. I don't know, I don't know, he just. You said there weren't any. There's not like, I don't know, there are different kinds of jump scares. There are moments that I was startled. But they're not the kind that are like leading up to it

with like something's gonna happen, something's gonna happen. Dark, dark, dark, ah! Yeah. So we see a shot of Nicholas Cage, but only his torso really, it's framed close up enough that you don't see his head. And he says, there she is.

Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The almost birthday girl. Ew. Ooh. Oh, but it seems I wore my long legs today. Ew, what the fuck does that mean? And then he says, what happens if I, and like leans as if he's gonna lean into frame,

and it has that loud noise that I think is in the trailer. And, yes, and you don't really see him yet, and it cuts to titles and we get our credits, and they're intercut with very quick flashes of crime scenes and satanic looking images and T-Rex is probably playing again. And then we get a title that says part one, his letters. And we come in in an FBI office where all of the FBI agents are like getting prepped about something that they're all about to do. And we're in Oregon, by the way, I don't know if it says that, but that is where we are. And it's 1995. And we see Micah Monroe

is Lee Harker. She's an FBI agent. She's one of the only women in the room. And she immediately looks, her performance in this is so interesting. I hadn't seen her do this kind of thing before. She looks afraid and also just dissociated, but like dissociated, but also like she's listening really hard.

It's like a very interesting mindset that she's in. It's like clear that she's not friends with anybody, and the whatever guy in charge is saying, we are gonna be going door to door, showing a photo, have you seen this man where you're looking for a, you know, someone that is wanted? It's not long legs yet. This is a different case. And they get paired up to go in teams of two to, you know, go around this neighborhood

going door to door looking for someone. Lee gets paired up with this guy who kind of is a little condescending to her and he was like, I can go door to door if you want to just like wait in the car. And she does wait in the car at first, but then while he's like walking around, she gets up and very slowly is just looking at all the houses around, and she sees one of the houses and her expression changes so that it seems like she's feeling some sort of instinct that this might be the house that they're looking for. And that thing happens where her hearing goes out. We see her partner coming up behind her,

talking to her, and she can't hear him. Then she comes back to too and he says, are you okay, what's going on? And she says, it's that house. He's like, what do you mean, it's that house? And she's like, he's in there, we should call for backup. And he's like, what? We're not gonna call for backup based on nothing.

And she looks very scared, like she's certain that whoever they're looking for is in this house. And he's like, it's okay, like I'll go up, I'll check it out. And then, you know, we'll see. So she kind of slowly follows him, but keeps a distance as he goes up to the door, knocks on the door and door opens. And he says like, Hey, I'm here looking for, have you seen? And bang shot in the head killed.

Oh, wow. She knows. It's wild. It felt like, I loved this, because it felt like being dropped into like the third act of Silence of the Lambs, where it's like the climactic moment of like hunting the serial killer,

and just like a very fun way to start the movie. But so she pulls her gun obviously and calls for backup and goes in and secures the perimeter. The place is like pretty much empty with just plastic sheeting everywhere. So I mean, if we didn't know from him murdering the FBI agent that this was the guy I feel like we can tell by his decor. She locates him upstairs and he already has his hands up. He's just sitting on the edge of a bed and she says, don't move. He says, I won't.

Eww. Cut to her back at the FBI office. She's presumably successfully apprehended him. And she is now in a room doing what reminded me of that scene in Blade Runner 2049 where you're kind of recalibrated and they're like showing you images. I don't know what,

maybe it's like a psychological evaluation type thing where they're showing her images and saying, say the first thing that comes into your mind. She's doing that. And then they say, there's a, with thinking of a number between zero and a hundred inclusive, what's the number? She says 33, and then she says zero. It's a kind of weird scene. We don't really know what's happening, but then we see her in a car with two other FBI agents, Agent Carter and Agent Browning. And Agent Carter is played by Blair Underwood. I loved him in this. And he comments that she got the number correct eight times or something.

Like the unlikelyhood of that happening is just not. Like she was guessing a number that someone else was thinking of or something? Yeah, and she said, I also missed it eight times. And he says, half psychic is better than not psychic at all. So we're, that's. Kind of agreed upon, people kind of know she's a little psychic.

Yeah, and he asks her, I think, kind of what it feels like when she was at the house, like, how did you know it was that house? And she says it feels like a... It's hard to explain. It feels like a tap on the shoulder, like someone pointing me in the right direction. So, yeah, we've... She's in a very good line of work. Yeah.

I know. There should be a TV series about her. I feel like there are psychics that do this. Oh, is that what the TV show is? Medium? there should be a TV series about her. I feel like there are psychics that do this. Oh, is that what the TV show is? Medium? I'm pretty sure there are like 100 TV shows. I think there's like a million TV shows that do it. Yeah.

But are there real psychics who solve murders? Well, that's why when you go see a psychic, isn't part of you like, why are you doing this? Like, shouldn't you be solving murders? Or like, do we solve it? Like Like shouldn't you be solving murders? Or like do something like. Okay, so here's a question. If you're so good at this. No, but like seriously though,

like why aren't you like curing cancer or something? Like if you can. You can cure cancer psychically? I don't know. I don't know what they're capable of. I'm just saying. It seems like it could be put to. You go to see a psychic and you just are like.

So mad. Just such an asshole. How do you sleep at night? It makes you wonder though, makes you wonder. So this group of three FBI agents are parked outside of a house and Agent Carter is telling Lee that this is a crime scene where a father killed his wife and two kids

and then killed himself. And there was a letter left at the crime scene written in code, like, what do you call this stuff? It'll just say code. That sounds right. And it was signed long legs in regular alphabet, regular letters. That part was legible. They don't know what the rest of it says.

But there has been 10 of these crimes over 10 years with these notes, founded a crime scene where someone in the family killed the whole family and then killed themselves. And so there's no evidence that anybody else was ever in the house. So it's this big question, who is Longlegs and how is he doing this? And they head back into the office. There is a very large picture of Bill Clinton, heavily featured in, like, it's behind Agent Carter's desk.

And so it's just, like, so prominent in a lot of the shots. I just have to mention it. It's very funny. Okay. And now she, Agent Carter is showing Lee the files of the other crime scenes over the, you know, 10 years that these have been happening and wanting to get her thoughts on it because she's psychic. So maybe she'll have some insight into this case that they aren't able to solve.

She asks, what do the families have in common? And he says, all of the families have daughters with birthdays on the 14th of any given month. I have a birthday on the 14th of a month. I know, I thought about you. Oh no. I thought about you. And I'm a daughter. Oh no.

Oh no. Oh no. Oh, I hope she could figure it out. And as she's looking through all the files, we're hearing her, she plays back a recording of a 911 call and it's a man that's whispering to the operator saying, it's my daughter, but it's not my daughter. She's like going like, sir, sir, what's going on? And he says, it's best to do it when she's sleeping.

And then you just hear like screams and stabbing sounds. Ah, holy shit. And it's, you know, just a montage of her going through all this evidence, seeing all these horrible crime scenes. They let us know that one of the guys that killed his wife stabbed her 61 times. So they're just like very gruesome images and she's just trying to find any sort of clue

as to how the fuck this long legs guy is getting these families to do this without ever being in the house. At the end of the night, she stays really late. Carter comes in and says, let's go get a drink. Like you're looking too long. And they go and get a drink and kind of talk about the case a bit. And he seems to, you know, he's he takes her seriously and is listening to the insight she has. But she hasn't figured anything real out yet, but she's just kind of, I don't know, they're chatting.

And then he is like, okay, I gotta go home now. She drives him, because he's a little drunk, and as they pull up, the lights in his house are on, and so he's like, oh, my wife's awake, she's gonna be mad, will you come in and meet her? And she says, Do I have to? He says, Yes. She's really awkward. She liked has no social skills. And so comes in and just very stands really still really big eyes. As the his like wife and daughter are so nice and welcoming and like, oh, so great to meet you, Lee. And she's just kind of like nodding like, yeah, yeah. Just

like very uncomfortable. And then the daughter asks if she wants to come see her room and just like hard cuts to her in the room, Again, sitting up, stick straight on the edge of the bed, observing the room. And the little girl is really cute. I can't remember the little girl's name. Ruby maybe? I'm gonna call her Ruby. That's a cute name. That's a cute name.

And her birthday's not on the 14th, right? Anyone's birthday on the 14th? We don't know. Oh. Okay, we should really get that out of the way, everyone. And she asks Lee if she always wanted to be an FBI agent. And Lee says that she used to want to be an actress, which got a big laugh in my theater.

Yeah, that is. It's unexpected. It's very unexpected. And she asks her, is it scary being a lady FBI agent? Which I think is such a good line and Michael Monroe has such a good yes in response. And yeah, it does seem fucking scary. Seems pretty fucking scary, yeah.

And then Ruby says, can you come to my birthday party? No. On what day? What day exactly? We don't know what day. Well. But she says yes, she's like, I'll be there. Cute. Lee goes home to her very scary log cabin

in the middle of nowhere. What? Don't live in a log cabin, lady FBI agent? Not a curtain in sight. Just big, big windows. The set design is like amazing. It looks really good, but I'm just like, why would you live here?

Get some fucking curtains. And she calls her mom. A very strange conversation. She says, hey mom. Her mom says, Lee. She's like, Yeah, still just me. So we kind of get the impression right away that her mom might not be like totally with it or weird to know what her deal is. But it's like dementia or something. Yeah, maybe. And But she has dementia or something.

Yeah, maybe. And she has this very flat, monotone voice where she's asking her about work, and she says, you know, want to tell me about it? I used to be a nurse, you know, I've seen a lot of nasty stuff. She's like, no, that's okay. And then her mom says, somebody's birthday's coming up. Oh my God, this fucking birthday thing. And then right at that moment, she hears something and is like,

mom, I have to call you back, hangs up the phone. And then there's a very loud knock on the door. Scary. And we see that she had put the chain on the door on when she came in and it's off now. No. The door's closed, but she re-does the chain.

And then... But somebody's in there. Yeah. It's... She... And I think she does like pull her gun, but she's like looking around. She doesn't see anybody. And she goes back to sit at her desk where she's just looking out this huge window into dark woods.

And she sees the outline of somebody outside, like a figure, again, looking kind of cloaked, but definitely a person. And she pulls her gun, goes outside. Really brave, I thought. I was, I don't know what, I mean, I guess that know what, I mean, I guess that's what you have to do, but I was kind of just like, I'd probably just like go to my room and turn the lights off.

Like, hope for the best. I would not be turning any lights off. Yeah, but I would have some curtains because the problem with not having curtains is that when the lights are on, everybody can see you. Oh, that's a good point. So I would just want to not be visible. Oh, I would just get in my car and drive away.

Yeah, that's probably a better idea than just going to bed. Also, I just had the thought, fuck, Tim's not here tonight. What if I'm scared tonight? What if you're scared? What if I'm scared tonight? I don't usually worry about that,

but I'm worried right now. Gotta watch Seth Meyers' day drinking. Or Love Island. Or Love Island, yeah. Yeah. Ugh. So she's outside, the figure seems to be gone. She's searching, but it doesn't look like it's there anymore.

And we see behind her a view into her house and see a large man just cross the window inside of her house and then she runs back in because she sees it too she sees it as well runs back in gun drawn checks the whole house nobody's there but on her desk is a little manila envelope that says for lee harker don't open until january 14th like it's a little manila envelope that says for Lee Harker, don't open until January 14th. Like it's a birthday card. You get another title, part two, all of your things. Okay.

She immediately opens the letter. And it is a ninth birthday card. And inside it has some text that's like a decoder for the coding, essentially like a key to all the letters that have been written before. Then it has like a lot of writing on the back, and so she decodes that, and it says something like, "'Tell them how you got this,

"'and I'll cut off your mom's hanging milk tits and bleed her dead. Okay. Hanging milk tits? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, not great. Okay.

And behind her, we see this kind of shadowy horned figure that's a blink and you'll miss it type of thing. Behind her, we see this kind of shadowy horned figure that's a blink and you'll miss it type of thing. Like as she stands up, it disappears, but it really scared me. And then she gets called to a crime scene right then. And so she leaves and I think it's the next morning now, like it's like very early morning, so she must have been up really late

and never got to go to sleep, what a bummer. I hate that. That's tough, that's tough. That's pretty scary. And she walks in, all the team is there, taking photos, evidence, whatnot, and there's a card with the code written on it, and she just immediately decodes it. Carter watches her do this and kind of looks confused,

like, what the fuck? You just know the language now. She doesn't explain how, but the card translates to down low, too slow. And we're getting filled in by another officer there that these bodies have been there a really long time, like a month, because they had planned a trip to Disneyland. And so everyone thought they were out of town for this long, like they had planned a vacation. And so we go into the bedroom where the bodies are. And they're covered with a blanket and we pull down the blanket and see them and they're like all bloated and like covered in maggots. It's really, really horrifying. And I think she asks, how old is the daughter?

This is again a family that have been killed and they say probably around nine or 10. So similar to this ninth birthday card situation. She goes back to the office and calls her mom again and basically says, I am on an important case now and I'm not going to be able to come by like I planned. I'm going to be really busy, but it's good because I'm going to I'm not going to be able to come by like I planned. I'm going to be really busy, but it's good because I'm helping them on an important case and will hopefully be able to help them. And her mom says, will I still see you on your birthday?

Oh God. And Lee says, I'll try. I'll try to make it there for my birthday. And then her mom says, are you still saying your prayers? And she says, yes, mom, I am. No, she's not. Now she's in the library with all of her evidence and clues and she's like mapping out all the murder dates

in like a graph and the dates, because not only one of the people, only one of the victims were actually killed on the 14th. It's just that they all have a birthday on the 14th, but they're killed within a week of the 14th in either direction. And so as she's mapping out the days that people are killed. It makes the shape of a triangle. And she pulls out this book, The Nine Circles of Hell, and this has this symbol of satanic symbol, this triangle. This stuff's a little loose and kind of doesn't really matter,

but she's just solving stuff. She's getting into it. It's a research montage. She knows about the demons. She's getting into it. It's a research montage. She knows about the demons. Yeah, she's finding a pattern here and she presents it to Carter and says, there is a pattern. It could help us find out when he'll kill again. And I decoded all of the letters from all the years

and none of them are that interesting, but there is a repeated reference to the fine time we had at the Camera family farm and X marks the spot. And we find out that the Camera family was one of the victims, their last name is Camera. And at that particular crime scene, the daughter did not get killed. She was not home at the time, but her whole family was killed. And she is now in a mental hospital. Her name is Carrie Anne. And so now they have kind of two leads they're interested in. They

want to go check out the family farm and they they wanna visit Carrie Anne in the mental hospital. So it's like, okay, you might as well see if we can find out anything. And also in this graph that she's mapped out, she can see all of these dates and like on the line or whatever, I don't know how to describe it, have been murder dates.

And there's one date missing, the 13th. So in order for him to complete this shape, there would need to be a murder on the 13th, which is three days from now. Oh boy. Who's it gonna be? And they first go to the farm. And this is like parts that I was just like,

it would be so scary, just like going to a place, looking for clues about a serial killer. Yeah. It's just like leaving you clues being like, come here. Yeah. And they, I mean, they do have their guns, but I'm like, you could be walking into a trap

and they seem like not even that stressed. And I was like, there's just no way in hell I would ever do this. It'd be like, no, I'm not going to that farm. Yeah, it's like, I can't. They're like, you're fired. You can't be an FBI agent. Exactly.

Okay, great, I didn't like doing this job. This job is really scary. So they go in, there's Xs on the door to the barn. So they go into the barn and there's Xs, kind of like crosses, more cross than X, but they're taped on the wall kind of leading arrows. So they're following this arrow up to the little attic area of the barn. Can a barn have an attic?

You know what I mean? Yeah, a loft. This loft. Thank you. Lofted area. A loft. And there is a cross on the ground that they lift up, probably like the boards open and there is a box that they're presumably meant to find.

Oh my God. This would be really fucked up. Yeah. To be like going on a serial killer scavenger hunt as you're like day to day. Yeah, and this is played as if it's the lesser scary part of their jobs. You're like, oh, here we go, here are the arrows,

he left us, here's this box, what's inside? I would be so fucking scared. I know. What's in the box? And they open the box, and at first it's scary because it's like a human form and then we see that it is a doll, like a almost life-size doll, like a child-size doll.

Oh, fuck this. And- I used to want one of those so bad. Do you remember when they made that like big Barbie? Oh, I mean, not really, but you won't want it after this. Okay. Great, because I spent 33 years on this Barbie. And in the box is also a paper with a drawing of a triangle

and a smiley face in it. And they take this doll back to the station, have a guy checking it out, telling them, this is so beautifully made by a skilled craftsman. Oh, and the doll's hair is human. Ew. As a creepy doll, obviously. And inside the doll's head was this metal sphere

and they don't know really what to make of it. And then the guy, the other detective or whatever is like, so weird, I could have sworn it was whispering to me. No. But obviously it wasn't. No. So weird. So weird.

No. Don't even know why I mention it because obviously it doesn't. No. So weird. So weird. No. Don't even know why I mention it because obviously it doesn't happen, but it kind of seemed like the doll was whispering to me. I feel like he was the dog was doll was talking. Doll was talking. You know how that can just happen sometimes? Oh, Jesus Christ.

What's in the sphere? Carter wants to open the sphere and the guy tells him we could open it, but there's nothing in it. Like I can tell you right now, there's nothing in the sphere. So we don't know. Well, open it. Just open it, but there's nothing in it. Like I can tell you right now, there's nothing in the sphere. So we don't know. Well, open it, just open it anyway.

No. Okay, fine. No, we're not opening it. But it's clear that Lee is having this, she's affected by this sphere somehow. It seems like it's casting a little spell over her. And there's a few flashes of again, kind of demonic, scary imagery, snakes.

It's all in like black and red photographs that I think is like flashes that are going in her mind. And then it cuts to a scene that we don't know what this is, we're in a basement with a little doll sitting on a chair and we see Nicolas Cage walking in. He's again, not fully visible. You just kind of see his profile at a distance as he's draping this black sheet over the doll.

Oh, is this our cloaked figure? Yeah. And he says, I know you're not afraid of a little dark, because you are the dark. Ew. I fucking hate this shit. And then we see him going to a convenience store and the clerk is,

looks like a teenage girl. This is actually Oz Perkins' daughter. And she's watching him looking uneasy and he brings whatever he's buying up to the counter and he like breathes a lot in a way that's really gross. He's just like, eww. And she's looking really creeped out by him

and he does like a little hand, he like puts his hands over his eyes from above and goes, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo. And she goes, dad, the gross guy is here again. Oh, that's. And he looks annoyed by this, but he takes his stuff

and he goes out and he gets in his car and he's driving and we see this profile shot of him driving and he goes, daddy, mommy, unmake me. It's like hurting my throat. It's too hurting my throat. It's too close to the COVID. And the laryngitis before that. Right, right, it's stacked up. Still not in full health.

He says, unmake me. Unmake me and save me from the hell of living. Oh God. Well, now he's saying something I can relate to. He ever just wished mommy and daddy would unmake you? That's something I can relate to. Yeah. Now we're getting to the good stuff. He ever just wished mommy and daddy would unmake you. And we cut away from that and we see now Carter and Lee going to the mental hospital to visit Carrie Anne.

There's a funny scene where they're checking with the like front desk guy that's completely unconcerned with security at all. They're just like, oh, he says they had, Carrie Anne had a visitor yesterday. Prior to that, she was completely catatonic, hasn't said a word in years. And after yesterday, she's like a whole new person. She's talking and she just seems like her old normal self. And they ask who visited her.

And he's like, oh, I don't know, I wasn't here. But it should say in the log. And we see in the log someone yesterday signed in as Lee Harker. And they ask, you know, do you check IDs when people sign in? And the guy's like, that does sound like something we should do.

But no. So she goes in to speak to Carrie Anne, who is played by Kiernan Shipka. Oh, interesting. She's all over the place these days. I know, I saw long legs and twisters on consecutive days. I was just like, oh, well, Kiernan Shipka. There she is again.

There she is, there she is. I'm immediately less scared though, I gotta say. Immediately put at ease. I remember she was in Black Coat's Daughter, so. Yeah, that's true. Oh, right, I was most like working with her. Yeah, they must have a good working relationship. Lee comes in, sits across from Carrie Anne.

Carrie Anne has this this very chopped haircut. It's almost Rosemary's baby-esque, but really sloppy as if she has done it herself. She's kind of holding her knees. She looks up at Lee and says, "'I seen you before, ain't I?' And she says, "'No, I don't think so.' And she says, "', I don't think so. And she says, you've been to my house.

And her speech pattern in this is so interesting. I really loved this little, this performance, this like a little monologue that she does. And she basically asks her some, like what happened? Do you remember anything from that day? Like what happened when your family was killed? And she says how her mom always hated her because she says, cause I come out wrong when I was born.

And we're seeing visuals of her mom with a C-section scar and her mom sitting in a chair in her room dragging a knife over her belly, really unsettling and weird. And we're like, what the fuck is going on with Kiernan Shipka's also like weird VO narrating this. And we're seeing her mom and her dad and her dad's like slaughtering cows.

And she's like, my daddy was a good man. And then we see a doll that looks like young Kiernan Shipka in the house with this family. And we see the mom, what looks like practice stabbing the doll as if she's like practicing to stab her daughter. And we don't know what to make of it. And then she describes how her dad killed her mom

with an axe and yeah, I can't really remember, but something that we're getting a lot of shots of this doll looking like evil and making them do stuff seemingly. And then Lee asks her about the man that came to visit her yesterday, who was that? And she smiles and she says, oh, I was so happy to see him.

And she says, did he ask you to do anything? And she says, I just wanna do whatever so he tells me. Like if he told me to take a jumpy out the window, I'd surely do. And Leah's so like creeped out by this. You can just like see, I mean, obviously anybody would be. Yeah. And she says, if he told me to kill you, I'd surely do.

Just happy as peaches to watch your heart go pop, pop. Oh my God. He's like, oh my God. And Lee is still, God bless her, like going ahead with questioning and saying, like, do you remember ever having a doll around the house and Carrie Anne says, nope, and you don't either. You dirtsy, flirtsy, old angel bitch.

And Lee ends the interview at this point. It's very, we just want to be, get out of here. Yeah. Yeah, it's not feeling good. It's time to call it. Mm-mm, mm-mm. And then we cut to Long Legs' apartment. We get our first look at him.

Still not super close up, but he's sitting in his bed. He's in this basement where we saw him building the doll earlier, and he's got T-Rex posters on the wall. He's a big fan of T-Rex. Okay. And yeah, we just get a glimpse of him. And then we see Carter and Lee going back to station and Carter says, how does he know your name? Because he signed in with Lee Harker's name at the mental hospital. So he's like, what are you not telling me? Something's going on.

This case has been cold for a long time and now you're here and all of a sudden it's flowing like lava, what's the deal? And she's like, looks like she's really trying to think and figure something out. Yeah, and she's like, I don't know, like I don't know. Yeah. And he says, you know, your mom called in a police report

on January 13th, 1974, saying there was a man on your property the day before your ninth birthday. Do you have any recollection of that? Lee does not remember it. Whoa. She's connected somehow. And he says, okay, I need you to go talk to your mom and find out what she remembers.

Surely that's fine, right? Your mom's super normal. Should not be a problem, yeah. You have a good, nice relationship with her. Yeah, no issues here. Do we think this is what the first thing we saw in the first? Yeah. Okay.

And so we go to her mom's house, which yes, is the White House that we saw in the opening scene. Inside, we can see that we saw in the opening scene. Inside we can see that her mom is a hoarder, there's stuff everywhere, floor to ceiling, this place is packed with shit. Again, the set design in this movie is really, really good. And her mom is kind of staring at the TV, but doesn't necessarily look like she's watching it,

just kind of blank eyeyed, sitting, staring. This is Alicia Witt, by the way, incredible, incredible performance. And she kind of notices Lee come in a little delayed and again is speaking to her in this very slow, monotonous voice and she's like, oh, Lee, is it your Wednesday? I don't know what she says, but then she asks her, can I ask you something and you answer me honestly?

And she says, yeah, okay. And she says, do you still say your prayers? Oh God, I knew it was coming again. And Lee answers truthfully and says, never once, I've never said them, they scared me. And her mom laughs and laughs and laughs and laughs and laughs and laughs. Oh, my God. And she kind of smiles too, and she's like, what's so funny?

And she's like, no, you're right. Like, prayers don't do shit. Nothing does anything. Like it's fine, you don't need to pray. So that's a little weird. Okay. Lee leaves her in the living room and then goes into the kitchen

and is looking through her piles of stuff and finds a box that's just filled with her baby teeth and like fingernail clippings of hers. Really gross. Did you ever keep, did you keep your baby teeth? I did for a little while, I think. I kept my baby teeth for a little while. I did have like a little box with teeth in it.

And I think at one point I was just like, no, I don't know point I was just like, no, no. I don't need this. Like one day I think I woke up and realized this is so weird. I kept one of Mac or Bunk's baby teeth. I don't have it anymore, but I was like, it's so cute. I mean, that's pretty cute.

I'm pretty sure my parents had like a little box with some teeth in it that they probably have thrown away by now. It really is gross. Like why is that a thing that a lot of people do? It's like, no. It's like, oh, remember when you had such tiny teeth. It's a little bone.

It's a bone, it is gross. And they're usually like gross on the ends too, you know? Yeah. The little roots. But I remember very much being like, I want to keep my teeth, like I got to keep my teeth. They're mine, they're mine. I had one that was specifically for the first tooth

that you lost and it was like, well, I'm going to want that forever, obviously. Like such an important thing to keep for my whole life. Yeah, a huge moment for me. What was your first tooth that you lost? Do you remember what spot it was in? Oh, that's a good question. Oh, like in my mouth?

In your mouth. Not like where I was in the world. Where were you when you lost your first tooth? I actually remember that and not the other one. I- Well then tell me whichever one you remember. I was in science class and I remember being like, this is so cool, it's like science happening right now.

Oh, that's good. And you're right! It's gotta be one of the front ones, right? Aren't those the first to go? Yeah, I lost one of my front ones. And then the other one, and then you have that little gap. I remember I lost my first tooth at my neighbor's house, and I remember I lost it at her house,

and then later my mom was like, she had really weird parents. And I remember my mom it at her house. And then later my mom was like, she had really weird parents. And I remember my mom later was like, listen, her parents told me that if you're going to lose a tooth again, you've got to come back home. You can't do it at their house. Keep the teeth in your mouth at your friend's house. They didn't like that you lost a tooth at their house. You're over there, you walk around with a tooth just like floating around in your mouth.

You're like, mm, mm, mm. No teeth in here. Okay, but I will say, I do think it's nasty when kids' teeth come out. Are like loose? Loose and when they're fully out and they're like, look, I don't have a tooth. I'm like, shut your mouth, that's disgusting.

It freaks you out? I don't wanna see your naked gums. It's horrifying. That's so funny. It freaks you out. I don't wanna see your naked gums. It's horrifying. I think it's disgusting. Silas cannot lose his teeth at my house. Do not let him into my house if they're even loose. I think it's gonna be so cute because then they get little lifts too.

Yeah, the lifts are funny. It's cute. Yeah. I used to hate losing teeth so much that the second they were loose, I would just rip them out. Like, I was like, I don't wanna go through this whole thing again. Sammy!

You know how you just realize sometimes that people are exactly who they've always been? Yes, yes, yes. I used to, I hit a point, not at the very beginning, not my first few teeth, but once I started getting a little bit older, where I would convince myself, I probably already told you this, I would convince myself every time it was not a baby tooth,

and it was my permanent tooth, and I was losing it, and I would cry, and I would panic every time I lost a tooth. I would panic. Wow. I have no memories of losing my teeth besides just my mom being like, you can't do it over at their house.

I mean, that is a... You lose your teeth at home, okay? You stay home. But then I feel like after you lose like one or two and it's so exciting and then all of a sudden you're just like losing all your teeth. That's what I mean. It was like, who the fuck cares? Absolute nightmare. At first I was like, oh, I'll like let it get until it's like dangling by a thread. Ugh, gross. And then like when it got to the final teeth, I was just like, oh, I'll like let it get, until it's like dangling by a thread.

And then like when it got to the final teeth, I was just like, get this fucking out of my mouth. Let's get this over and over with. It's also so, let's like just take a moment and think about, you hit a point where your bones are pushing all your teeth out of your mouth and your teeth are just coming out of your mouth. I know, I know.

I mean, we talked about the baby x-rays, the teeth on top of teeth. Yeah, it's so gross. I mean, we don't love to think about that. It is so gross. So many teeth in that face. Bodies are, like you really lose all of them? Yeah, I think so, right?

Don't all of them get lost? I think so, right? Don't all of them get lost? That's so many. I think so. That's so many. How long does it take? It must take years. I have no idea. Also, why wasn't I wealthier?

I thought that the Tooth Fairy was, were we getting money every time? Wealthy, you accrued wealth via your teeth. Why wasn't I making more money off of my teeth? Because that's what, like 30-ish bucks? Who knows how many teeth anybody has? Yeah, 30-ish. 30-ish dollars.

Sounds right. That's a lot of teeth to lose though. I don't feel like it was that many. Was it really 30 times? I think it's all the teeth in your mouth. It's all the teeth. It's definitely all the teeth. Yeah, but like the tooth, do you like then-

You burn with less? Do you like know that the tooth fairy isn't real after a certain point? Cause the tooth fairy really comes 30 times. I'm maybe at your house. No, there's no way to tell it came 30 times. That's why I'm confused. I think I lost my first tooth when I was like six.

But then how long does it keep happening for? Like a while probably. Who knows? We'll never know. We'll never know and I don't think you can know. I think it's unknowable. I don't think it's knowable because also it's like if it happened all really quick,

then you'd have like no teeth in your mouth and you need to have teeth in your mouth. You have little baby dentures. You don't just dentures. So like eating stuff. So biologically, probably it's like one at a time. Yeah. That would take so long.

Ew. And then when it's growing in. I was just going to say when it's coming back in and it's like a nasty tiny little tooth. It's like half, it's like half grown in. It's so gross. And then you just have like one big ass tooth. Oh, you guys, imagine how big my teeth were.

I had baby teeth that were like tiny and then I got like these huge fucking teeth. It was terrifying. I wanna see pictures of that. It's so weird. It's so weird. What the heck? What the heck?

It's nasty. Okay, so there's a box of tea. Yes, and she sees there's a door in the kitchen that's closed and a cockroach crawls out from under it and she seems to again kind of have this moment of flashes of imagery. Something is like affecting her. And she goes to the door, it's locked, she can't open it. Oh, God.

And then she goes back to talk to her mom some more and she says, do you remember my ninth birthday? Her mom says, no. Do you? It's like not the right answer. It's weird. Yeah. What do you mean, mom?

What kind of answer is that? There's something obviously wrong with this woman. What's wrong with her? Then she's leaning backwards, looking up to the sky and she says, No family, no strangers, no big bad wolf. I can't remember why, but Lee says, I'm not a child. Just tell me what you're trying to say or something. She says, you're not a child because you were allowed to grow up. Okay. This is a weird conversation.

Okay. So who wasn't allowed to grow up, huh? And she then says, like, I may have forgotten a lot of things, but I never threw anything away. All of your things, they're all in your room. And so Lee goes in her room and finds this chest of, that seems to like trigger a memory in her that she can't quite place, but she's like, okay, this chest, something about this chest and brings it back to her log cabin, creepy, creepy log cabin.

God. And there's a couple of Polaroids in it and she's shuffling through the Polaroids when she lands on one and this like loud noise happens and a bunch of flashes of snakes and like I don't know nasty shiz is like this flash of memory for her. That is a jump scare. And she remembers taking this photo of long legs. That day that it's because it is her in the opening scene, when she went out to speak to him, she has a Polaroid camera around her neck. And so she's like remembering taking this photo and remembering her mom coming out and saying, you know, who

are you and why are you talking to my daughter? And this is where we get our first like really good look at Nicolas Cage and he's wearing like very heavy prosthetics. He's wearing all white. He's got long white hair and it's as if he's gotten like tons of plastic surgery. He just looks like one of those people that's gone way too far with plastic surgery. Oh, that's scary. I was not expecting that. It's really unexpected.

Like cheek implants and yeah, it's hard to find a photo of him because it's like such a, it was like he was not included in any of the, they very much wanted to keep it a surprise, but it's pretty, I was like trying to find a photo of him. But it's also like, I wonder if it would be less scary seeing a photo of him because his mannerisms and his voice

and the way he's like holding his body is so, it's like half of the scariness of it. And so I feel like you could potentially see a photo and be like, oh, he looks kind of silly, but I didn't think it was silly. And so the mom, her mom's name is Ruth, asks him, you know, who are you? Why are you talking to my daughter? And he again in song says, let me in now and it can be nice or I have to come back not once, not twice, but as many times as I like. What?

Oh my God. And cut back to present day, Lee driving to Carter to show him this photo and says, I went to my mom's house, found this photo, this is him, this is Long Legs. And now that we have a photo, we can find him. And they find him very quickly. He's a very specific looking man.

Yes. Yeah. And they arrest him. They find him trying to flee at a bus stop, but then they bring him in. And we're in the main room with all the FBI agents. They're watching a tape of them interviewing him and he's asking about Lee Harker, the almost birthday girl. No.

You sound just like him and I don't like it. I don't like it. He's like, again, a lot of breathing and a little like, oh, he's just so excited about Lee Harkin. Oh my God, it's like her birthday. Ew, Sammy. And he's just asking about her and the other cop turns it off and says, he goes on like that for about 25 minutes and they've gone through all his stuff. He had suitcases with him because he was trying to leave and it's all like satanic worshipping

things, but nothing that would tie him to these crimes. And they're like, he's allowed to worship the devil, free country. So there's nothing, but he's still, you know, in custody, whatever. And Lee is going to go talk to him. And at some point, she's referencing the Bible. This stuff is all also kind of loose and pretty inconsequential, but there's some Bible phrase that he had referenced that has to do with, I saw a beast with seven heads and 10 horns. And this is letting her know that he's probably not working alone because it's like that is what the, I don't know, meaning of that passage is, I guess. I don't know. So she says, I don't think he's working alone. I think there's an accomplice.

And the 13th is today, so we're out of time. We need to figure out what he's planning. And we again flashback. This might be out of order. This might have been in the earlier scene. But we see him again talking to Ruth in the 70s outside of their house and as she's asking, you know, who he is, he says, I'm a friend, a friend of a friend who lives downstairs.

Yeah. He says, downstairs from where? And he says, from everywhere. Okay. And there's this thing in this movie he says, from everywhere. Okay. And there's this thing in this movie where words are pluralized. Weird. In his speech. In a childlike way.

Yes, in his speech pattern. We heard it with Kiernan Shipka was kind of speaking like that. And then there's a part where when she references this Bible passage, one of the other FBI agents is like, revelations, right? And she says, it's revelation. There's no S. So there's something to do with this pluralizing thing that I think kind of amounts to nothing, but I just liked that detail. It just like gives a creepy vibe.

Yeah, creepy. So Lee goes in to the interrogation room with long legs, Michael Monroe, seeing Nicolas Cage in these prosthetics for the first time as it's like action. Wow. So crazy. So wild.

And again, as she walks in, he's like, there she is. Oh, my God. Imagine walking into that. Oh, most birthday girl. And she's trying to ask him, this scene is so good. I wrote down as many lines as I could, but this is like, this is the big scene where he's just incredible in this. And I hope this scene like comes out on YouTube someday so you guys can watch it.

But she's asking him about the accomplice, like, who are you working with? I know you must be working with somebody. And he references a she and she's like, she delivered the gift. You won! And she says, who's the she? He says, she is the seventh she to be given the choice. It's all very cryptic and we don't really know what he's talking about, but it's really creepy and she looks so scared. And damn, I like wanted to write this down

because then he like gets a deeper voice and he's like, she was the one given the choice between crimson and clover. She chose to bow down. Bow all the way down. Ugh. Get down to the work, the dirty, dirty work that gets dirty as it cleans like a mop. Just like a really, like, ooh, it's, it's, ugh. And he talks about her, oh, she asks about Carrie Anne and he says like, her house was so white, so pure,

but your house Lee Harker was the whitest, the whitest white. And we're just not getting like any useful information from him. It's just so scary. And she's like, well, you're, she's like trying to seem like she's not rattled to her fucking core as if this isn't the scariest thing that's ever happened.

And she's like, well, you know, you're gonna be in here for a long time and you're not gonna be able to hurt anybody anymore. And he kind of laughs and he says, yes, I might be in here or maybe I won't be in here but I'll always be a little bit of everywhere. And she again is like, what are you saying? Like, what does this mean? And he says, why don't you ask your mommy? mean and he says, why don't you ask your mommy? She looks confused by this and then that one seems pretty direct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then she's like, I think about to leave and

he says, hail Satan. And he leans back and smashes his head on the desk as hard as he can, over and over and over. You see teeth falling out, him spitting teeth onto the table. And then on the third hit, his nose caves in, so you see his nose dangling off of his face, and you can see into his skull. It's really, really gnarly.

And he dies, and it's just splashing blood on Lee. And of course, all the other agents run in, and it's just on her face, wide-eyed, as she's leaning back away, as all the blood is over her her and then he's dead. Okay, wow. Things are not going well for her. Well, didn't expect that.

Yeah, that's... So that's not helpful. No. And then we get text, part three, birthday girls. Oh, no. Wait, do we think he's really dead or do you think he has so much plastic surgery because the devil just, you know, is a plastic surgeon.

That's interesting that I hadn't thought about that. Reconstructing his face every... Satan's reconstructive surgery. Yeah. This said birthday girl. It did. It did. So Lee comes out of this obviously traumatized, like shaking, and Carter is yelling at her

being like, what the, he's like very mad. And he's like, while you were in there, Carrie Ann jumped off the roof. So like that was the 13th. It was like her, she's the other victim. So you were like wasting time in here. And like that happened over there. He's a little too mad. And like, dude, she just went through something pretty crazy. Let's like give her a moment. Also, she was literally interrogating the person who we thought was the murderer. So what do you mean?

How was she supposed to know that that girl was gonna jump off the roof? Was she supposed to go stand at the bottom of the window with Annette and wait? What was she supposed to do differently? I think he's just frustrated and letting it. He's letting it out in the wrong place. That's not what you're supposed to do.

So. He might be about to have some bad stuff happen to him. So agent Browning is the other, it's like, seems like the only other woman FBI agent in this office says, you know, kind of like back off, I'll drive her home. Or no, they have to go drive to her mom's house because this man just said, go ask your mommy.

Go see your mom. So now we have, yeah, put together that her mom is probably the accomplice, so we probably need to go arrest her or bring her in for questioning. And so they pull up to mom's house again and I just don't know that Lee should have been here for any of this. It's like, I think, I guess it's time sensitive.

Right, right. Sure. But I'm like, I think I would need some time after seeing someone cave their own face in. Mm-hmm. Especially when it's then I'm going to my own mother, who's maybe in it with him. So... Not good, not good, not good.

Browning asks her how she wants to do this. She says, I'll go in alone, I'll bring her out. Says, okay. She goes in, she's calling out, mom, where are you? And we see... Oh, boy. Browning in the car. And then it's a really creepy shot.

We see someone like moving behind her in a nun's habit. Okay. But it's one of those things where the person is there the whole time, but only when they move do you notice them, which is such a like spooky thing. So it's, you don't notice it until you see her moving around. And then we see that it is Lee's mom, it is Ruth, and she has a shotgun and shoots

Aja Browning in the head. Lee, inside, hears this, pulls her gun, looks out the window in time to see Ruth walking to the other side of the car and shooting her in the head again. Eww. Oh my God. Really bad day.

A really horrible day. Really bad day. A really horrible day. Really bad. This is why psychics don't have to be FBI agents, Henley. Let some of them. They can do whatever they want, okay? It's a hard job. Yeah. Some of them can be celebrity psychics and on TV

and that's okay. That's okay too. Some of them can be dog psychics and that's okay too. And that's okay too. Oh, I want a pet psychic so bad. I really do want to have. I know. Have you ever done that with any of the cats?

No, it really seems like something I would have done but I haven't done it. I really want to do it. So thank God they're not all FBI agents because I do want a psychic to tell me what my cat's deal is. Just one, just one. We only need one pet psychic out there.

Yeah. I don't think we need more. So she runs outside and finds her mom in this other part of the backyard with the gun aimed at a child-sized doll that perfectly matches Lee's, what she looked like as a child that we saw in the opening scene. She's yelling, mom, drop the gun.

We got him, he's dead, long legs is dead or whatever. And she's like, he's free. And you're free too, baby girl. And she shoots the doll in the head. And at that exact moment, a puff of black smoke comes out of Lee's head and she drops her gun and falls to her knees and passes out and we see the doll,

her head is also smoking. So there's some connection... connection between the two. And we're now in a kind of dreamlike scene where we're hearing Ruth's voice narrating, once upon a time there was a girl named Lee and repeating some of the things she had said before, like they lived in a house with no visitors,

no strangers, no big bad wolf, except one day, a man did come. And through this, we learn that they were obviously a target of long legs. And I guess I'm still a little confused now that I'm trying to like explain it. But we see Long Legs with Ruth tied up and I believe she was given the choice

of either you guys die or you can like be my helper, essentially. And so her mom did this to save Lee's life. And the way that this whole crazy scheme works is she goes dressed as a nun to deliver a doll to a house and say that it's a gift from the church, you won. And it's always a doll that looks exactly like the daughter in the house, and she says,

the doll made the little girls forget. And so there's something satanic happening with the doll. And I think even here is where she like says, it is like Satan in the doll. The like sphere I think is how he is able to affect all the family members in the house. So she basically comes in and plants a little Satan doll in this family.

And so that gets them to murder each other. And Lee now wakes up in Longlegs' bed that we saw earlier. Ew! And we see that Mr. Downstairs or Longlegs, I mean, Mr. Downstairs I think is Satan, but Longlegs is also downstairs. He's in a basement and it is Ruth's basement. So he's-

Oh my God. Oh my freaking God. So that locked door that a cockroach was crawling out from under earlier is where long legs was. Yuck. She wakes up very disoriented. The camera is upside down and like does this slow turn. It's really cool cinematography.

And she's realizing obviously that Longlegs, he's been here this whole time. She runs upstairs just as the phone rings and she answers it and it's staticky and creepy. And this very deep voice says, you're late for Miss Ruby's birthday party. Oh my God. And she gets in her car and fucking run, like goes so fast to Carter's house, Agent Carter.

And Carter and his wife open the door, big smiles. Lee, you made it. Oh, no. Thank you for coming. Didn't know if you were gonna make it. You're just in time. Ruby's opening her presence right now. Turns the corner.

Sure enough, Ruby is sitting next to a doll that looks just like her. No, no. And she looks completely hypnotized by it. She's like stroking its face. Her mom is there, Ruth is sitting on the couch. It's just Ruth, Carter, his wife, Ruby, doll, now Lee. Everyone is acting normal.

Ruth is kind of like shifty eyed, looking a little bit like, don't fuck this up, don't fuck this up. And Carter says he's gonna go get the cake, or no, his wife says, can you get the cake? And he says, I'll get the cakes. Another like incident of pluralizing things. He says, I'm gonna get the cakes. I told you I'll get the cakes.

Can you come help me with the cakes? I need like a knife for the cake. No, no. And it's really weird. Their performances here are also so good. And then it's almost like get out when there's like, you know, the scene where like her like silent crying like from behind, just like not in control of their bodies anymore. And she says, Yeah, yeah, I'll go with you to get the cake. And she turns to Lee and says, I'll be, I'll be right back.

Agent Carter says, no, I'll be right back. You'll still be in the kitchen. Oh, my God. So they go off into the kitchen. Ruby is just staring at the doll and Ruth is giving Lee this kind of stink eye like, you shouldn't be here. You shouldn't fuck this up. Like I'm doing this for you. And she says, mom, why are you doing this?

And she says, if they don't die, then we will burn and twist and burn and twist and burn and twist in hell forever and ever. Okay. And that sounds pretty bad. And I will say if I've just now learned that like satanic rituals are real, I would be thinking twice about burning and twisting and burning and twisting and burning and twisting. Yeah.

That would be something of a compelling argument. But I also have lots of questions about like, what is Satan even up to? Like, what's all this trouble? Let's see what this trouble he's going to. We're not gonna get any. Satan's just bad. He's just having a little fun.

He does want to be bad, he's just wanting to be bad. Yeah, that's kind of his whole thing. Let me be bad, okay fine. And as she's saying this, we're hearing, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab. Oh, God. Carter comes out covered in blood, knife still in his hand,

looking like he's gonna go for Ruby next. And Lee obviously pulls the gun, she's like crying, and she's like, Carter, like, I don't know what's happening, but like, this is wrong, you need to stop, like, drop the fucking knife, and he's, you know, not himself. And so he doesn't, and he's walking towards Ruby, and Lee shoots him and kills him. Mm-hmm. Okay.

And... I think you gotta shoot the doll. Yes. Okay. And... I think you gotta shoot the doll. Yes. And the mom now, Ruth, like gets up and screams and is like, they both, they have to die. I'm doing this for you. And that's like what she meant when you're like,

you're not a child because you were allowed to grow up is like, I've made this sacrifice to like keep you alive. Like, and there's like flashes of her doing this over the years and going into her car and sobbing and crying, covered in blood as she's been an accomplice in this. But it's just been, I don't know, 20 years of this now. And so she's obviously really fucked up from it

and has been in the literal presence of Satan this whole time. So she's now like, you know. Not okay. He like rings her on the telephone. Yes. Yeah. Exactly.

And it tells her to get to work. Like you're running late. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So. So she's screaming, I'm doing, I'm doing this for you. The girl needs to die. So she's getting up like, she's gonna kill Ruby now.

And she says, Hail Satan in this moment as well. And then Lee shoots her and kills her. And it's really, really fucking sad. She like shoots her in the head. And it's just like, oh, and Michael Monroe's performance is so good. And now we see we're like turning to Ruby again, like hugging the doll, like loves the doll so much. Just like not aware of everything that's happening. Yeah. And Lee pulls her away and is like, we gotta go. And she points her gun at the doll's head,

pulls the trigger, nothing happens, pulls it again, again, nothing trigger, nothing happens, pulls it again, again, nothing happens, nothing happens, nothing happens. We start hearing Nicolas Cage singing happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. And she's kind of like, seeming like she's still under the influence of something. She's like trying to shake it off. And we see again, Nicholas Cage in the interrogation room by himself looking straight to camera as he finishes singing Happy Birthday. He goes, hail Satan.

And then winks, kisses, and that's the end of the movie. What? What? Oh wait, are we meant to believe that he did that before he smashed his head in, not that he's somehow alive again? I mean, it might be in Lee's head. We don't know.

It seems like the kind of mystery at the end is if she's free of his influence now that her little metal ball exploded or if it, like he said, he's just like always going to be everywhere. But it's not like, we're not getting concrete answers here. And... Sure, why just for the best? I did not like it. I did not like it. I do not wanna have to sleep alone tonight.

I am scared. What a wild, what a wild little time. I'm so curious. You went to a Q and A with him, Sammy, did he, like, where, what's up with this idea? Like, where did he freaking come up with this idea? So I listened to a couple of interviews with him and one of the things he said was he like wanted

to do something that you think you know what type of movie it said was he wanted to do something that you think you know what type of movie it's gonna be and then do something totally different. Like almost first two thirds seem like very Silence of the Lambs. It's like you think you're gonna get one thing and then it's like... And then going after this serial killer?

Just kidding, it's Satan is Real and this is all satanic things. And... I do like that choice. Yeah. And something else that I think I heard. So Anthony Perkins, I guess, was closeted for most of his life. And so his mom, I think knew, Oz Perkins' mom knew,

and kept it a secret for his whole life. And so that was another part of the inspiration was like a mom having to keep a secret as something that like really affected Oz Perkins' personal life. And he was like, what's like the scariest version of that? Wow. That's pretty fucking scary.

Yeah. Oh, having the devil live in your basement wouldn't be great. Scary. But it's like- Don't love that. The devil's best friend. Right, right, sorry. It's not the devil himself. No, it's the devil live in your basement wouldn't be great. Scary. But it's like- Don't love that. The devil's best friend. Right, right, sorry.

It's not the devil himself. No, it's the devil's friend. I want you guys to see that scene of him at the table. I do too. It's so good. I don't wanna see the rest of it. I don't think I wanna see it. Yeah, you just have to turn it off before he says,

right when he says, Hail Satan, just. Shhh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Henley, as the only mother among us. Oh God. God. Would you do it?

I feel like the answer. Be honest. I'm surprised that no one else did it, honestly. I think that this was offered. Yeah. It's unclear who has been offered it, but he did say she was given the choice that they're all given, but I don't, yeah,

so, but that's kind of the only. Because part of me feels like in the moment, and the heat of the moment, you'd be like, yeah, I'll do anything. Like, of course I'll do anything. You wouldn't know, if you knew what you were signing up for exactly. Maybe you'd think a little bit harder about that decision,

but I'm pretty sure in the moment you would just be like, yeah, I'll do whatever. I'll be Satan's helper. Because I don't think you would really believe. I don't think I would necessarily like... Right. Believe. But I guess if you really believed that it was Satan, then, because if you're killed,

are you still twisting and burning in hell? Great question. You know what I mean? Does that happen either way? Yeah, I really don't love the addition of the word twist in there. That really feels really bad. Because if you're twisting and burning in hell,

either way, you know. I would think that you won't if you're killed as like a sacrifice to Satan. An innocent person, but I guess I'm not sure. Yeah, because if that's true, then yeah, kill us all. That's fine. Yeah, I'd rather not burn and twist in hell forever and ever.

I think whatever to not have that happen is the choice. is what I would like to do. 100% that's the choice. Hundo P. What an interesting little movie. You could see how people would be annoyed by it because it really is not what I was expecting. I know, I feel like in my head it was almost expecting

to be like sort of like barbarian. In that like some crazy monster who looks insane, who's like in the dark and like that's the reveal and like whoa, it's like called long legs and it's just couldn't be further. Yeah, that's why I was surprised when he was in the convenience store. I was like, oh, he's like normal enough

to be like around people. Yeah. I think Oz Perkins also did say something about how he wanted him to be a loser. He was like, serial killers aren't cool. They're losers who listen to T-Rex, which, like we said, is a good band. Which I don't know if that point necessarily came across, but I think he specifically was like, I don't want him to be like a big. I think that's very like a cool choice of Oz Perkins

because I do feel like we've had this moment lately of like. Serial killers are hot and cool and like sexy. I mean, I fucking saw somebody on the street a couple of years ago dressed as Jeffrey Dahmer for Halloween because of the fucking Netflix thing. And I was like, this is not okay. No, no, no, no, no, no. And yeah, even like you to a certain degree, it's like, remember that show?

Yeah. Yeah. What's his name? Oh, Penn Badge. Yeah, it's like, let's not make these violent, obsessive men hot and intriguing. Though I will say that Steph did say if she had it in her, she would dress as long legs for this Halloween. That's allowed for me.

That's allowed for me because that's a character from a movie and not a person who really murdered people. Yeah, not a real person. And I would love to see Steph pull that off. I would like to see it as well, but it would be like Carl Havoc level. It's two of her favorite things, plastic surgery and murder. Oh my God, what an interesting movie. But yeah, in the Q&A that I went to, I was pretty annoyed because the moderator was very

clearly an actor and just asked, started off by asking Mike Monroe about, he had heard that she did a self tape. And he was like, so how long was the self tape? Oh my God. He's like, tell me about your audition. Can you send me your audition? No joke, like five questions in a row about her self tape and like what she does to like prepare for self tape. How might one get a movie part from doing what you did?

Do you want me to be in the movie with you next time? That's very annoying. It was really annoying. Okay, well, I'll tell you an actor who is not annoying in an interview scenario, it's Alicia Whitt. Your interview with her is so good. Probably because she had a perfect interviewee-er. Interviewer.

A perfect interviewer and a perfect interviewee. Both of us were great. Both perfect. Both perfect. Yeah, she said some really interesting stuff. Because yeah, she's been in the industry. She was in David Lynch's Dune when she was seven. So crazy.

Obviously she is the main actor in Urban Legend. And she's just like, She's so good. She's so good and really had a lot of like fascinating takes on acting and like how to get into character, how to get out of character and things that I hadn't like thought of before that were it was really cool to talk to her. Yeah.

Sammy did not ask her how Timothy Oliphant smells. I don't know why she didn't ask her that is the only question I asked. That was in the list of prepared questions. How you asked you guys have any questions for her and I sent you that question. Only it didn't get asked. Also didn't ask her how Nicholas Cage smells. So two missed opportunities. Is it too much to ask?

Shouldn't just know how famous men smell? Though I did hear that Nicholas Cage really stayed away from everybody on the set, which makes sense cause he's in like weird creepy prosthetics and just like probably in character and just like not really wanting to just chat with people around crafty. I feel like he is a little bit method, right?

Or is he just a category of his own? Yeah, yeah, he's a category of his own. There's no one like him. He's the greatest artist of our time. And speaking of great artists, let's talk about Alicia Witt. She is not only an incredible actor who's been making movies since she was seven years old, she's also an author and a singer songwriter.

You can stream her music on Spotify or she even has some live shows coming up. You can find out all the details at her website, aliciawittmusic.com. But without further ado, let's get into our interview. I am so excited to be joined by Alicia Witt. Alicia, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me.

I am really excited to talk to you about Long Legs. I loved this movie so much. I've seen it twice. It was one of my most anticipated horror movies of the year. Well, movies of the year. But before we talk about that, I wanted to ask you a little bit just about your relationship with the horror genre in general. What of your first exposure to a horror movie as a kid or just, you know, any time that was a memorable experience in horror film? Oh, what a great question. Thank you for starting with that. You know, I grew up in a household where we were,

my brother and I were, our viewing was very restricted. So we weren't kids that were plopped in front of the TV. So we weren't even allowed to watch The Wizard of Oz because my mom deemed it too scary. And you know, as an adult, I must say, it's kind of scary. It's a little scary. Yeah, those monkeys. Yeah. So when I moved to LA when I was 16, really is when I moved there for good and

I found the apartment and I was there with the sole intent really of being an actor. But having been homeschooled and also having very little exposure to movies, I promptly got a membership at Blockbuster and I started going and renting movies and just absorbing as many of the classics as I could. So I think, I mean, I'm pretty sure the first horror movie I saw was The Shining. And it was around that time, like probably age 17 when I was watching all the great movies

of the late 60s, early 70s, mid 70s. It was The Shining in 1980. I'm not even sure. I think it was 1980. Yes, I think it was right then. Yeah. Right. And the dates like that because it was that time frame when I absorbed it all. Right. Yes. You were just fully saturating yourself with everything. absorbed it all. Right? Yes, you were just fully saturating yourself with everything. Usually two movies a night. Wow.

And I was blown away by that one. Yeah, that's a great first one. One flew over the cuckoo's nest. I remember I tended to do it in a like by order of the actors. So as I was getting familiar with Jack Nicholson's work, I think I probably watched his movies one after another. Yeah. And anyway, I loved those

and Dog Day Afternoon isn't a horror movie obviously but it has that element of real life horror, like something horrible is just going on. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's always the scariest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then as I started auditioning for things, and scripts would come my way that had horror elements in them,

I... for things and scripts would come my way that had horror elements in them. I was mindful of not being drawn to scripts that were purely about killing and slashing and just killers for the sake of it. I have always been drawn to more psychological thrillers and ones that really get into the mind frame of what's going on with somebody. So I got really close to Scream and I had several incredible meetings with Wes Craven. And he was the one

who started me thinking about the horror genre in a different way. And explained that it's like a roller coaster ride and the final girl, if it's a movie like that, is she is the audience member. So she's you, you go to the movie theater, you're watching it through her eyes, you're watching her survive insurmountable obstacles. When you come out the other end of it,

you feel like you can do anything too. So in a world that's full of scary shit, it's not putting that putting more of it out into the world, it's actually arming you. Yes. You get through a world that is filled with scary stuff. Yeah, that's a really nice way of putting it. I feel like I have that feeling as well. It's like a catharsis and it helps me

maybe understand some of that darkness in myself or in the world. I just feel like it's such a great genre at dealing with these real life, big feelings and emotions. It's just one of my favorite genres, probably my favorite genre. Yeah, as you were in horror movies and the film industry in general, did your perception of horror as an audience member change? I always wonder about this, if you see how the sausage is made type of thing, do you still find yourself able to get scared in a horror movie? Are you thinking more about the craft

of it now? For some reason, when I see the special effects part of that stuff in a movie, I still buy into it just as much as I would have if I weren't in the business. Great. Now, other aspects of the film, I do tend to pull apart. For that reason, it's really hard for me to get lost in a TV series, for example. I have to really love it in order to become someone that's going to watch every episode of something. For example, Yellow Jackets.

That is one of my favorite shows of all time, let alone a current favorite show. And it has the horror elements to it. I have some friends who say that's too scary horror elements to it. I have some friends who say that's too scary for them to watch. But for me, I just love it. I mean, I love every so well made. The characters are indelible. They're some of my favorite pure actors who I've just admired so much and have always wanted to work with.

And they're all actors I've not worked with. Um, we got to get you in yellow jackets. See, yeah, I would love that. Manifest it. Yeah. Um, they, they did send me a, a little jacket sort of as a token. I'm guessing acknowledging how much I love the show I've posted about it a number of times just because I'm

such a fan. Okay, okay, I feel like we got it. That's an example of the kind of horror I love. And I do have to look away a few times, but also I guess because it's such a surreal event and that's depicted in the show, I mean, and also. I know we live among spirits and there's dark energies among us and. I think it explores that in a really healthy way.

And also a fascinating way, how would these people, how would you be if something like that had happened to you 30 years ago? Right. So I just love that. But still talking to Wes Craven that day and kind of changing my perception of being in a horror movie, which he did do, and that's why I ended up doing Urban Legend

a few years later. But I still don't enjoy those sorts of movies. I don't really go to see movies like that. Yeah. But I do go to see movies like The Mothman Prophecies. That one scared me. Yeah. Yeah.

And Long Legs, I love Oz's previous three movies. I love his. Yeah. And to me, those are the best kind of scary movies. They fit right into that same genre. Yeah. But the reason I haven't seen long legs is totally different. Oh my gosh.

Yes. I had, I had heard that you say you hadn't seen it, but I want to talk about that as well. But I want to first hear just like your initial reactions to reading this script, because it's a very unique script. And I imagine you don't get tons of scripts like long legs. Well, no, because I don't think there's ever been a script like long legs.

Yep, exactly. I do get a wide array of projects sent to me, which I am so grateful for, and it's something I wished for and tried to be very mindful of, especially when I was starting out as an actor. I didn't want to be typecast, didn't want to play the same role over and over again. It was, I don't know exactly why, but it was the thing probably that I was most wary of. It's why I felt at when I was starting out, I felt kind of cautious about playing a role on television. And I'm so grateful I did do that, because that's my life in every way. But especially as a young girl, I wanted and craved to have the process of discovering who a character was

and doing all of that legwork and then leaving that character behind and going on to another character. And as I started to work more, whenever something, a role would come out that whenever something, a role would come out that was well seen as is predictable, you then get offered three or four more just like it. And I didn't take those roles. I would try to go for roles that I wasn't necessarily thought of or. And I find myself now where I do see a very wide array of

characters. Yeah. It's wonderful sometimes I'll have you know I'm not a I'm not a place here where I'm living in Nashville I'm not in LA so I sometimes have zooms together sometimes I get a straight offer. And sometimes I'm asked to audition. And when it's something I really want to go on tape for, I'll do that with a reader and sometimes I'll do two of them in one day and they can sometimes be just ridiculously opposed from each other. They couldn't be more different.

And that is awesome. So the darkness and the range in ages and the challenge of this role. I didn't think that was the first time in a long time I'd seen a role like that in a script I'd been sent, but this particular role I've never seen. And the way in which I read each line and every action of Ruth's, and I felt like I knew her, and also that I had a visceral need to play her.

That I could bring her to life for Oz, but also I could bring her to life for myself. Yeah. And in becoming Ruth, this character, are there elements outside of the script that like really help you get there in terms of either costume or set design or your co-stars or Oz's direction or just all of it? Is there a moment on set where you're like really now 100% in it or did you fully have that before even getting to set just from reading it? The first day on set was in the nun's uniform delivering one of our delightful gifts from the church.

And it was a thrill that I'll never forget. We had six weeks between, I did have a Zoom with Oz, that's how this one came about. He had seen my work in Twin Peaks, the most recent Twin Peaks, and he'd seen other work, but it was that particular character

and really just two scenes that showed him a side of my range that gave him confidence. I would know how to embody that in Ruth. And then this hour long Zoom we had where we talked about a lot of personal stuff and talked about Ruth and what she meant to me and what she meant to Oz. And I just ended that Zoom and said a prayer that that he would feel the same way I did, that it had gone as well as I thought.

I couldn't imagine it wasn't meant to be mine, but you just, and then getting that call was such a joy, such a relief. And so over the Christmas holidays and New Year's and all of that, I had all of that space to think about her every day. And lots of communication with Oz during that time, all of that space to think about her every day. And lots of communication with Oz during that time, lots of detailed texts, like a long, long, long, long

text thread about so many details and emails and phone conversations. So by the time we got to that first day, I thought I had a pretty good handle on who she was. But you never know till you get there and it's all come together. The hair and the makeup and the special effects. We were on the same page about not wanting the aging makeup to look too drastic either, make it look like she was just a shell of herself and it was years later and the years have not been kind.

Yep. And the hair are the same thing. We didn't want it to be cartoonish or it just felt so real every aspect of it. And then the glee that Oz and I felt after getting those first few takes was delightful. And the way he looked at me and I forget exactly what his turn of phrase was. He said something like, you're her. You're her. I mean, you really feel it.

As an audience member, I felt the same way. It was an amazing performance. And is there anything that, any ritual you have when you're trying to get out of being Ruth now, perhaps at the end of all filming or maybe at the end of a day? Is there anything you do to help yourself not carry that darkness into your personal life just because it is such an intense role? Were there any little things that you did to make sure you didn't stay in that dark place when you left set? Definitely it's

Rather than a specific ritual at this point, it's more the mindfulness of it. Mm-hmm Yes, the the work that I did before Showing up in Vancouver and before each day, the work I would do the night before, just somehow knowing Ruth as well as I felt I did know her, partly through instinct, but also partly through discussing it and journaling and listening to music I thought she would like. Really knowing what got her each step of the way, what her mind frame was in my head.

That itself helped make a separation between me and her. And that's totally what I do. There have been other dark roles I've played within the last five to seven years that I've had similar processes with. And it feels almost like a protective shield around myself energetically. And I do have, I have crystals and I have oils that I like and Perfect. And I do have I have crystals and I have oils that I like. And my incredible dog is usually with me in the trailer, at least. I wouldn't bring him to the actual set of a horror film. But. You know, he's there, he reminds me of home,

he reminds me of me rather than whatever character I'm playing. And I have discovered that really I can, I can get in and out of character like in five minutes or so. I don't need to be, I don't need to settle into her for hours while I'm doing hair and makeup or even riding to the set. It can be just on the set, kind of getting into her and then shake it off before lunch, certainly.

Yeah. Let it go and just be myself again. And then, yeah, at the end of the day, you try really hard to leave it all behind. I'd say the hardest thing for an actor, certainly for me and for a lot of actors I've talked to, whether you're doing horror or not, is really letting go of the day's work in general,

especially when you're not producing the movie and you have no creative say in it. As an actor, your job, what you're hired to do is give the director everything they're asking for and you need to trust that your director is not going to let you leave until they've got what they need. Right. You have no idea what they're gonna use or how the scenes are gonna turn out or what, they could even cut the scene out of the movie as you know.

So you have to let it all go and stop obsessing over, oh, that one take, that one line. Oh, I wish I had one more go at it. So you don't even know what it looked like on the outside. Right. No idea. And I trusted Oz as much as I have trusted any director. David Lynch and Cameron Crowe are probably the ultimate ones. Yeah. Who you just, you do surrender every ounce of yourself to them

because they are, they are the every ounce of yourself to them because they are the best at what they do. And you're going to do the best work if you let it all go anyway. That's what I was just going to say is I'm sure that helps you in the performances just when you feel that safety and like protected by the director that trust probably lets you get to the place you're trying to go in a performance easier. And so that makes a lot of sense. Absolutely.

And then as you mentioned, and I had read that you have not watched Long Legs. And I'm curious, just to hear more about that and also if that has ever happened with other performances you've done, if you've had that reaction of not being able to watch it. Yes. Yes, there, I mean, most recently there's a movie called Fuzzy Head that I knew as I was filming it, I was not going to watch. There's some extremely dark behavior that that character espouses. She's very different from Ruth. She's very abusive

to her daughter. And also very mentally unwell, though, for completely different reasons. And there's some acts of extreme violence. Just I knew as I was filming it, it's not for me to say. But there have been, honestly, been a lot of things I've been in that I haven't seen. I'm not alone in among my actor friends and not loving watching myself. I would probably rather not if I had a choice, but it certainly doesn't bother me a lot of the time.

It just, in much the same way that it's, if you're not a professional singer or something like that, it's a jarring experience to your own voice on a recording. You're at karaoke and you get up there and you think you crushed it and then you hear a recording after. It's sort of the same. I guess if I don't need to watch something like a live tweet situation on television or that sort of thing. I would much rather see the whole movie without my performance in it. I always kind of win myself, not because I think I was bad, but just because.

I don't really want to stare at myself. Right. Right. Right. at myself. Right, right, right. I want to just do the performance and you know I'd like to direct and I would be all right with directing myself. Weirdly I feel like self-tapes have forced me to get good at that as I think they have. Yep. Well I would be fine with directing myself. I actually don't do that. But once I'm done with it, I'm not going to want to watch the movie over and over again.

There's certain things though, like my episode of The Walking Dead is one of the things I'm proudest of that I've ever done. Certainly Long Legs is as well, but I'm not watching it for personal reasons. But I've seen that episode of The Walking Dead several times, and I just feel such joy out of watching it because of, I don't know, it's otherworldly to see it. And I'm such a big fan of that show anyway. Yeah, it's a great, great show. So I went to a screening of Long Legs with a Q&A with Oz and Micah Monroe in Burbank on opening weekend, which was a lot of fun. And they spoke about,

and I've heard Micah say this in other interviews about how Nicolas Cage and her were kept separately until that big climactic scene between them. And so her reaction could be more genuine and in the moment. And I'm just curious what your reaction was to seeing Nicolas Cage for the first time in that, in those prosthetics. I couldn't, I couldn't look away. I, I definitely tried, I didn't look at him much before the cameras were rolling. But when I first glimpsed him, I was like, we should.

I've never seen anything so horrible. And it's so much like I knew sort of the general gist of it, because we'd had a stunt double who was going to be there for a few days, like a photo double and double a few scenes where you wouldn't need it to be him like driving from a distance. And so that fellow was around and he had a sort of approximation on. So I knew generally what my life was going to look like. But the real prosthetics and most of all, the mannerisms and the voice. So just seeing Nick around with that was one thing, but then when the camera started rolling

and that voice emerged and the mannerisms, there was no acting required on my part, utterly disgusted and horrified and chilled to the bone and protective of that little girl. You just know it's fine. Yeah. And you feel like he's gonna get into your brain, let alone the physical harm he plans to do.

He just feels like he seeps evil, like he's gonna put it into you. It's so unsettling, such an unsettling performance. He is also amazing in it. I'm curious if you have just any favorite moment from the set. Was it that first day when you first felt like, this is Ruth, we got it? Or was there something else that was very memorable to you? The moment with where you know I haven't really specified this but I'll share it with you so the the the hand gesture yes it's the 10 horns from the she. That was just something that came to me

as I was doing my work before becoming Ruth. I thought maybe there's this thing where it's like her channeling dark side. These are the 10 horns. I have 10 that are up there on my hands. It reminds me of the important work I do. So there's a number of those moments that I found, and I not having seen the movie,

I don't know if they made their way into scenes where it's not overt, but there's a few times where I kind of do this. And I don't know if it's on camera or not. It's in there. It's in there. It is? It made it.

Okay, I know there's a moment where I raise my hands up with the tree in the background. That I've seen still shots from. And of course it's on the poster. Yes, it's a great image. They put it on the poster and nobody knew it was me, which is brilliant. Yes. Oh, the marketing in general has been just incredible for this film.

Next level. I've never been involved in anything with this kind of marketing. It's mind blowing, such an honor. But that moment to rise the hands up, cause I had told Oz what I was doing and so he knew I had these moments throughout, but he encouraged me in that moment

to finally bring them up. And that was the last time we saw Ruth and the nuns have it, the final gift in the montage and the weather cooperated. We even had eagles that showed up earlier that day. It was nuts. Oh, wow. So that felt like a chill through me. I thought, OK, this a moment, like I felt like this is, I feel it being made and I can feel it being on the screen and I feel this being a

thing I'm going to be seeing for the rest of my life. Yeah. Like it just, I knew it was important. And then the other, the other thing I wanted to mention was the finale. The other thing I wanted to mention was the finale. Oz, that was the last scene that we filmed. And Oz, when it was time for my coverage, he, to my surprise, because I had been playing with different versions and we had talked about different versions through the path, I thought he would have watched what I was doing, all the variations, and he would tell me what he wanted.

But he liked a lot of the different variations. So he took it one step further, and he gave me six diametrically opposed directions for each of my closeups. We did six takes of my closeup, which that in itself is unusual. But it was one after another, so different. Horrius with her, for having shown up, the most intense grief that you could ever experience because you're about to lose her forever. Out of it, like you don't really know what's happening at this point.

You're just out. reverence for the proceedings. This is so good. And then, oh, there were other versions too, but it was so electrifying to be given that opportunity and that honor. And then at the end of it, there was applause and Blair, he already shook my hand, he said, master. Oh my God. That's amazing.

I will carry that moment with me for the rest of my life. It was the greatest honor I have experienced on a film set. And to me, it was the greatest honor I have experienced on a film set. And to me, it was a testament to the working relationship with Oz and how much he believed in me. And he knew at that point I could do anything. Yeah. So he changed my life in that moment, even if the movie had never come out, you know? Right.

Scapegoat. Such a gift. Oh, that's very beautiful. And congratulations. I love this movie. I love you in this movie. I feel like I'm telling everybody to see it. It's been doing very well and people are seeing it and I'm thrilled about that. And yeah, I just want to say thank you for taking the time

to speak with me today. And congrats. Thank you so much. I love the title of your podcast. But I do want to say, again, Long Legs isn't too scary. I was a little surprised by that, because again, the marketing was I was too scared to call that phone number when that was happening. There was a bill surprised by that because the again, the marketing was I was too scared to call that phone number when that was happening. There was a billboard with the phone number

called the man downstairs. I said, no, no, no, I won't be doing that. And then, but I agree. I think that it is it's a type of unsettling that will definitely stay with you, but not jump cheap scares at all. None of that. It's just the mood and the tone and the performances are just incredible. And so yes, to our listeners, if you are normally scared of stuff, just give it a try. I think you might enjoy it. Yeah, I think so too. And Oz did say when he has time, he's going to make me a version with Ruth cut out of it so that I can enjoy it. I really want to see it. Yes, you need to see it. It's really very good. I'm glad to hear that. And I'm glad that you'll get to appreciate the other parts

of this movie as well because it is incredible. Yeah. Really, really amazing. One of a kind film. Truly haven't seen anything else like it. So again, just congratulations and thank you. Thank you especially. You've seen them all. That means a lot. I have seen a lot, yes. And it's the truth. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's great speaking with you. You too. Thank you again to Alicia Witt. What a great interview. She's the freaking best. And if you haven't already, go see her incredible performance in Long Leg legs. Wow. Wow. Well, I think I do know what voice.

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