Too Scary; Didn't Watch - LUCKY with Dhruv Uday Singh

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

A man in a hard plastic mask, window walls, and a woman who isn't as lucky as people keep telling her - we're recapping Lucky! And this week we are joined by a very special guest, none other than a star of the film, Dhruv Uday Singh! Join us as we get get caught in a time loop and try to figure out if we're in a simulation or if all time is happening concurrently.Watch Lucky on our favorite streaming service - Shudder! We love you Shudder!00:00 - Patron Shoutouts01:37 - Episode starts27:00 - Movie recap01:23:38 - Trivia Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and I love telling people about them. And she's so good at it. We love her. What would we do without her? I love that we are like physically incapable of making it through one of these intros without being like, yeah, and it's good. And we can't just like say it to i have to validate it every time yeah we like what we like each other and we like the premise of this podcast that we made hey if you don't love it wait hold on if you

love what you do you never work a day in your life amen and this is not a job um what is up with us well similar to basically what i talk about every week this week i watched yet another tv show i mean oh my god let's be honest i watched multiple tv shows but i'll only talk about one tv show that i watched fair fair it's a sin it's recently premiered on hbo max um for anyone who subscribes to HBO Max just watch it right now just turn this podcast off and watch it listen honestly

it's so good I think it's the best show of the year so far it's amazing it's written by Russell Davies he's the creator he did Queer as Folk and Years davies he's the creator he did queer as folk and years and years um he's been around for a while and it's just like unbelievable it follows five young men in it throughout the 80s as they're experiencing the aids crisis in london and i gotta tell you you will cry but it is also extremely joyful and like

very life affirming and beautiful and so well crafted and fuck I just loved it I just loved it I can't recommend it enough. Did you watch all of it? Yeah. Is it a week to week? It's only five episodes. Oh okay okay. Yeah yeah yeah yeah I blew through it like so quickly.

I'm not judging you I just wanted to know if you'd made it all the way through only five episodes oh man you guys okay so i live in a studio apartment obviously i've talked about that before and tim obviously um tim was like in class and in the other corner of the room and kept turning around because I was just silently like trying not to make so much noise crying, just crying so loudly. And he kept turning around being like, are you OK? Like you're trying to not be distracting was so distracting. It was so distracting. Anyway, that's what I did this week. That was the highlight of my week was crying, watching it descend. Oh that's what i did this week that was the highlight

of my week was crying watching it to sin oh boy wow big week big week and hey guess what i did this week i also watched a lot of i did um i watched all of the undoing and i think one sitting oh yeah that's a good one i gotta watch it i gotta that. It's not that it's like the best show ever. It's just like... But it's like captivating. I don't want the best show ever right now. Like, that just sounds like more than my brain can maybe do right now. I want like a fine show that I can't stop watching.

Like Riverdale. Okay, no, Riverdale's an incredible show, Henley, but I see what you're trying to say. And then I also watched Behind Her Eyes in one sitting. two sittings and man i won't say anything spoilery but i will say that there is a twist that is the most unpredictable twist i think wait okay so i'm four episodes into behind her eyes and i can't wait to know what this twist is it's so so fucking crazy. Henley, prepare yourself.

Oh, my God. What could it be? Again, I won't say that the show is like very good. It's it's certainly fine. What's the TV equivalent of a page turner? You got to keep pressing next episode. Yeah, it's yeah. It's very captivating.

There should be a term for that. Bingeable. I guess that's the term. I guess that's the term. Yeah, it's very captivating. There should be a term for that. Bingeable? I guess that's the term. I guess that's the term, yeah.

Man, Henley, I can't wait to hear your thoughts about it. I'll text you immediately. I'm sure I'm going to watch it after we're done with this podcast. Dang, maybe I'm going to watch it after we're done. I'm sure I'll finish it tonight. I probably won't. I'll probably watch Mission Impossible again. It's a good option, too.

Yeah. What about you, Emily? I did did watch two mission impossibles this week and i'm almost caught up on riverdale oh my god sammy are you caught up i'm caught up baby you know you're caught up okay so you're a little bit ahead of me but that's good because that means i'm going to text you because already i'm like this is the best thing that's ever been made i was freaking out last night um but i'm not going to talk about A show I took a note in my phone about what I wanted To talk about today because I didn't

Want to forget and It's Stupid but here we go So okay so The other night I was falling Asleep and I put on Sleep Cove Which Henley has talked about Sleep Cove podcast which Henley has talked about Sleep Cove podcast to to fall asleep.

And so I'm like half paying attention. Right. You're like sort of listening. You're basically just hearing like the sounds. But I heard so I was listening and he says like a little part of the story, like three sentences. Right. And then all of a sudden, he says the exact same three sentences. Like I hear the exact paragraph of the story that I've already heard again. And there were no jumps. There were no skips. I'm just laying in bed. And here's the thing. I am half asleep. So but this is also not the first time this has happened to me when I've been listening to a thing falling asleep or I'll be like, I already just heard this.

And I'm like 100 percent certain. I like to the point where I'm like, I know what they're going to say next. And I just heard it. heard it and i think that this is proof of one of two things that we are inside of a simulation and i am in real time experiencing a glitch i am in real time comprehending okay okay a recurring moment i'm on board all right or i am in a moment of clarity experiencing the fact that all time is happening now. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Did you?

Did you? That wasn't clear. I think I'm done. Wait, did you rewind and listen again and it happened again? No, no, I'm not. No, no. This is like two separate occasions in my life where I've had this moment where I'm like I just I know what he's gonna say next because I just heard it and it's like

doesn't make sense for the story to complete it's like it'd be like if I was like hi Henley how are you I really like that shirt hi Henley how are you I really like that shirt and you were like what you just said that it's like that moment so it's like you had a tiny, tiny premonition of what they were going to say. And you manifested the premonition into the podcast. It's like. Wait, wait, wait. I'm confused about some of the logistics here. Did it actually.

Me too, Henley. Did it actually happen twice? Or are you saying you just heard it and you think maybe it happened twice? Did it actually happen twice is what I'm wanting to know. Did the sleep cove man say the same thing twice for real? Yeah, for real. I don't think so. Why would he? moved forwards and backwards in time or the simulation glitched for just like

a second and it repeated the thing for me but my brain was aware that it was happening and those are the only possibilities I agree honestly I'm on board for either one I don't know you guys and maybe today later I'll go back and I'll re-listen to that exact episode of Sleep Coven and be like

what does he, does he say the same thing? Because if he doesn't, either you're in a Christopher Nolan film and time doesn't mean anything or you're proving Elon Musk correct and we are just living in a simulation. He's not the only one who thinks that.

I don't want it to be his thing. He is an asshole and we hate him We hate him But he's not the only one who thinks that You think it too I can tell you at least one more person Who thinks it and it's me I don't know

So That's what's up with me Was that worth it? Taking a note in my phone to make sure to talk about it? Yeah. I think so. Great. I've got a lot to think about later.

I don't have time to watch that TV show anymore. I've got to. No, you've got to think about the realities of time. I've got to do some research. Well, another thing that we've got to do is talk about this week's movie. And this week's movie and this week's movie is lucky it came out just this past week on shutter excuse me you can stream it on shutter shutter original shutter are you listening shutter.com shutter.com backslash lucky i don't know if that's how you find it, but maybe.

And it is directed by Natasha Kermani, written by Bria Grant, starring Bria Grant, Hunter C. Smith, and Dhruv Uday Singh, and wow. We have a freaking guest this week, and

you better believe I've already said his name because he's in this freaking movie. Welcome to the podcast, Drew. Thank you. What a treat. Thanks for having me. I'm a big fan.

So this is off the show I'm in. So thank you. Thank you. What a treat. Drew, the treat is ours. The treat is ours. Ours alone. We're so we're so excited you're here.

This is the first time we have ever had a guest on the podcast who was in the movie that we're talking about. Yes. You mentioned that. And I was concerned about is it going to be weird for me to recap it since I'm in it? concerned about is it gonna be weird for me to recap it since i'm in it because you know that every time i talk about scenes i'm in i'm gonna describe them quite flatteringly for the actor you know yes for the actor whoever he may be get ready for that it's not an unbiased retelling no no i also do i hope this isn't too uh what's the word like heavy-handed promo-y but just because you know it's an indie flick and indie flicks really live and die on

on uh word of mouth especially in the week or two after they come out um just please go see it if you're listening to this it's great we are at 91 on Tomatoes out of like 44 reviews. That is amazing. It's getting good reviews. Shudder has like a free trial, so you can go watch it on that. And I don't know, support it. It's great. It's like a, it was a blast to be in and I think you'll have fun watching it. So watch it.

Watch it. Yeah, watch it. Watch it. If you don't want spoilers, you know, pause this, watch it, come back. Exactly. If you're brave enough, watch it, then listen. And if you're scared, listen, then watch.

An option for everybody. Or you can do what Emily is going to do, which is pretend she's already seen it and then be like, how did I just watch it already? And then you can experience time all at once and both listen and watch in the same moment.

Yeah. So, yeah. Dhruv, what's up with you this week? Any sort of metaphysical, surreal experiences or TV shows that you like? Or TV shows. Definitely more of the latter, I would say. I'm trying to think if i've had any like crazy metaphysical experiences lately i have had sort of what you're talking about the deja vu thing

emily and and also that will interestingly i think play a little bit into the movie we're gonna talk about there's some there's some time fuckery happening okay yeah i don't know if i've had that recently per se um i have i guess are you guys on that uh clubhouse app by any chance no but everybody is what is clubhouse it's an it listening to that app feels a lot like having that deja vu metaphysical experience over and over a bunch of people just saying the same shit it's not what's its purpose i mean connecting i guess right like it's kind of the equivalent of like what you guys are doing now as a podcast but it's it's what pot it's what like albums are to live shows are what podcasts are to clubhouse you know

it's like live it's not recorded it's just like spontaneous kind of and you can participate in some of the rooms. I think the most popular rooms, honestly, are like borderline dating app rooms where you just go on and people try to shoot their shots at each other. I mean, it feels like eventually that's what every social media experience becomes for a large portion of the users, right? Like, especially now. Come on. I mean, what are people doing um do you need do you need like an invite to get onto clubhouse

or something if you guys want them i have like nine invites i'll send you them right now we are vip we're in you won't thank me you'll you'll hate it and i mean it does actually sound pretty bad it's like if twitter had sound you know what i mean no one wants to hear that that's awful that's the worst way to describe a thing that i can imagine well then no thank you it's our favorite time of the week baby it's cocktail hour this week we will be mixing up a little lucky lily margarita to be accompanying our screening um for this drink you will need two spoonfuls of honey two fluid ounces of tequila, one fluid ounce of pineapple juice, three quarters of an ounce of lime juice, and a few grinds of black pepper. To make this drink, you will stir the honey with the tequila in the base of a shaker to dissolve it.

Add the other ingredients and shake with ice in a super fine strain into a chilled glass. and shake with ice in a super fine strain into a chilled glass. The garnish is a pineapple wedge dusted with pepper. You can serve this in a cu glass. All right. Cheers. Dhruv, do you like scary movies? I do like scary movies.

I think I'm kind of like y'all's how to be, which I'm kind of squeamish about. I'm like, I didn't grow up. I'm an only child. And I think horror movies, you are too. And I don't know for some people i guess they love it for me being in a house alone because i had so much time alone as a kid watching something scary like triples how scary it is because you can't talk to someone where sharing a horror experience is fun because you're all you're both kind of jumping at the same time and stuff so i don't i didn't grow up with it though now i will say some of my favorite movies are kind of horror thrillery even though they're they're not my genre of choice before well you're a big hitchcock fan yes big hitchcock fan

and then his like derivative like brian de palma kind of ran with hitchcock and made it a lot of horror like his horror shit i kind of love from the 70s like carrie and sisters and dress to kill is one of my favorite movies even though like by 2021 standards that i think that that's the only movie that is offensive to every possible group of people i've never seen it's unbelievable but it's so good it's like a movie that you should hate on every level but it's really good um yeah so i like horror i don't love gore you know like super gory horror, but... Yeah, we hear that a lot here on the pod.

Yeah. I think it's the people that are like really into horror that will openly be like, and I love gore. I think you have to be pretty into horror to also love gore. Yeah. Unless, I don't know, maybe there's some people who are like, I don't really like horror, but gore. I want a gory comedy. Maybe there's people like that there could be truth was there a was there any horror movie you saw when you're like a kid that traumatized you or like yeah it was a horrible experience there was i so there's a

movie that i don't actually know the title of because it was on tv you know when we this was an age when you didn't select what you watched on TV. It was just on. Yeah, it just sort of like came, like was in front of your face all of a sudden. Yeah. Exactly. And there was a single scene in it that still haunts me to this day when I think about it. It was this like old, it was probably from the early 90s, like Indian movie.

But not, Bollywood movie. But when I say that, I don't mean the genre. There's a lot of Indian movies that are not kind of song and and dancey so it was like a clearly a horary one and there was one scene where a woman is in like a bathtub with a with her husband and they're having a romantic kind of time and then she stabs the fuck out of him and as the blood comes towards her in the water she starts pushing it away from her because she doesn't want it to touch her and i remember that one scene like sent chills i think it ruined it probably all my issues in relationships probably stemmed from that one that's terrible have you ever tried to track down the film no because i don't know i've googled it i got it was probably some small

obscure i don't know hindi movie i i don't know what it was but i still i think about that scene and i get chills. Imagine stabbing someone in a bathtub you're also in and thinking you wouldn't get it on you. Yeah, exactly. That doesn't make any sense. Come on. How do you think this is going to work? I love to stab,

but don't touch me. I love to stab. I love to stab. Some people have to stab. I love to stab. I love to stab. Some people have to stab. I can't think of a specific movie. I mean, as I got older, obviously, like the classics, you know, The Exorcist and The Shining and stuff, I think really chilled me to the bone. But I was a little older by that point. Yeah, as a kid, it's just that one.

I'm surprised how many people we've talked to on this podcast which maybe isn't that many but there have been a few people who have talked about like their parents basically accidentally bringing them or on purpose bringing them to a horror movie that was they were like way too young to see and seeing it in the theaters it's like with a parent that just feels like i do remember though that very specific because I was I mean I'm still scared now but I was so scared as a kid of like seeing anything scary that like fear of you used to only channel change right like that was the only way you would ever land on

anything you wanted to watch and like at night or if like you know my sister I was younger she was like doing something and I'm sitting and it's dark and I'm just like flipping channels and all of a sudden you'd see something scary and I'd be like ah and I'd like freak out and like turn it off as soon as I wouldn't even change the channel I just had to like go away um it's a scary time yeah channel surfing risky channel surfing is scary but you

know where you don't have to channel surf shutter.com true very true yeah we yell at Shudder to sponsor us a lot so just if you if you know anyone at Shudder when I like post this thing on my gram I'll for sure tag them and I feel like they'll notice they gotta listen to you they've got to

yeah I've been in one movie I'm in the movie I feel like they don't sponsor anybody but we'll be the first I've been in one movie. I'm in the movie. I feel like they don't sponsor anybody, but we'll be the first. It just takes one. Actually, I was listening to a Bill. I forgot to tell you guys this. I was listening to a Bill Simmons podcast. I think the rewatchables.

I can't remember what it was, but it's sponsored by Shudder. But it's from like two years ago and it was sponsored by Shudder. And I was like, OK, it's possible. Bill Simmons. It's possible it's possible we're gonna get there baby that's gonna be us one day we're just as big as Bill Simmons for sure

okay should we watch the trailer do we have other questions no I think so we're gonna do our little trivia now is where we normally do trivia right yeah you'd think I know how our own podcast goes we're gonna to do our little trivia now as we normally do trivia, right? Yeah. You'd think I'd know how our own podcast goes. We're going to do that at the end because we want to chat with Drew about the behind the scenes goodies. So right now, yeah, let's watch this freaking trailer. Ted, Ted, I saw someone outside.

Honey, that's the man. He comes every night and tries to kill us. We're just gonna leave him? Oh, I'm sure he's already gone. You said a man comes into our house... Every night... And tries to kill us. Hey, put it together.

What? Alone, isolated. A man could appear at any time. He keeps coming back. He should be dead. This man could be anywhere. I just don't know what I would do in that situation. Sure is scary.

Very. I'm sorry, did I come at a bad time? I tried to call, but... I told you that something supernatural was happening. Would you believe me? We are being attacked. There is no rationalizing it. There is no saving us.

So get used to it. Cool. Whoa. Spooky. That was crazy. I'm not expecting that. What a wild idea for a horror movie what the fuck it is a very original premise i will say like i haven't really seen i've watched a lot of movies and horror shit i'm like it when i read the script to get you know when i was first like approached about it i was like this i was like i don't i don't know where this is going, but I love this setup. Yeah, I have no idea

where the hell it's going. Like, what is up with your character? What is going on? What's up with your character? What is going on? Oh, wow. Oh, I'm very excited. I'm so excited. This is one I will say that I was like,

I want to watch it. This is one that, and I I was like, I want to watch it. This is one that I think now after I hear it, I will be able to. But it just looks like it just looks really cool. I'm excited to hear about it. Is it rated R or PG-13? That influences my... Does it say anywhere?

You'll only watch PG-13 movies. I don't watch PG-13-13 i don't know i i was pushing for a triple do they rate movies anymore yeah like online do they rate it if it's online i don't know drew are you about to say you were pushing for triple x but that was more for a scene i was pitching that was like you did a lot of pitching uh on set. Yeah. They said no.

That scene got cut, yeah. Not rated. Not rated, Henley. Not rated. Wait, doesn't that mean that it's, like, really bad, though? Could mean it. Did Drew Sheen make it in the movie? I guess we'll have to find out.

It could be, like, you know, in the early 2000s when all when all those like very frat boy comedies were really popular for a while. And they always had like an unrated DVD where it was like two extra minutes of boobs or whatever. Yes. Extended cut. Extended cut. I think not rated is different from unrated. That's right. Unrated is a rating, if you know what I mean. baby yeah um so yeah drew take it away give us the unrated version if you can i used to love back to school shopping so

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Mostly if they're like performance notes on how Dhruv explains what he was doing. That's not how I interpreted it, actually. Great, great, great. That'll be me. Perfect. It will be hard for me not to critique one scene in particular when i when i watched it was like oh man i made a choice and i just it was the wrong choice acting oh no okay i mean for what it's worth i thought you were great and

i don't know what part you're talking about so there you go there we go honestly more of a critique on the director i would say uh yes so so okay so we so we we opened my meeting may who was the self-help author played by bria grant um and she's uh you know she's got this book out called go it alone uh kind of a bit of a symbolic title let's say say. And she's doing okay, but her publisher is like a little concerned about her numbers being low. She's going on these little kind of tours. You know, she's not doing quite as well as they'd expect with selling out her book.

Shit, I can't believe I'm blanking on the second scene of the movie. It's honestly really hard to retell a movie i will just say it is it is really hard to retell a movie and especially this one i think because this movie has a lot of emotional logic and dream logic stuff so even though we're seeing a scene we'll see like a little flash of something else so we'll see little kind of interstitials where it's just kind of mood you know so like it's yeah well and also i bet like having been in the film you might not have filmed it in order and so there might be a chronological thing where you're like well what was this first it's tough we filmed this super quick also because it was

just so low budget so we did it wildly quick. After she goes to see her publisher, it's her in the parking garage. She's headed to her car and kind of has a box of her books with her, drops it, and hears

a scream in the distance. A woman's scream and kind of looks around, doesn't see anything and then gets into the car and drives home. And it's a scene of, you know, it's at least from the online response of women who've watched the movie and friends of mine and of course, Bria and Natasha. It's a very, I think for many women, a very relatable moment when you're alone in a parking garage.

Parking garages are terrifying. They're very scary. They're very scary. Yes, exactly. So she goes home. She pulls up and her husband, well, this, let's just say, this is a sort of, I don't know, rakish, you know, devil may care, kind of charming, but in know, rakish devil make-air kind of charming

but in a roguish way. Very attractive but doesn't act like he's very humble. Exactly. Put together but with a nothing-to-lose attitude. Greets her. She goes in. She meets her husband, Ted. She goes in and they

seem to have a bit of a playful thing going on. They eat some ice cream and watch seem to have a you know a bit of a kind of a playful thing going on they eat some ice cream and watch tv together like a lot of couples do she finds a bite loaded with chocolate chips and he's like i don't know i think you mistake what you like for the stuff i like there's you know something there talk about her book tour and what's going on with that um and we know we get the impression she's been on tour before. She's been out, gone for a little bit, a little bit of a plant over there. And then she finds this little shard of glass on the coffee table and notices, like, what the hell is this from?

She's like, someone could get hurt with that. And Ted, her husband, kind of leans over and looks at her with a bit of a strange intonation and says yeah that could hurt somebody we're not quite sure why he's looking at her that way and of course we're distracted by the glint in his sort of deep brown eyes that are i don't know distracting no this is this is the stuff this is what we want this is why you don't get someone in a movie to summarize it because it's like yeah the movie's basically about this husband guy and then like a bunch of other shit happens the one thing that sticks with me um are

the soulful eyes of the protagonist's husband okay sorry i'll stop doing that so so there's this like weird energy though it's like why is he kind of focusing on that why is he saying it that way um we don't really know so then we we got to nighttime yeah and they're in bed together yeah going to bed they're going to bed um and this is something i think we saw this part in the trailer early on right they're in bed together and uh she hears something and is awoken from her slumber and kind of stumbles over to the she to their window and sees just this kind of in the moonlight this man standing there looking up at their bedroom window but he's got

um it's not quite a mask it's more like if his features were all distorted you know with something like he's got his weird scarred mouth it's like a plastic-y kind of i was gonna say it's emily's least favorite like almost like a hard plastic clear plastic mask exactly and there oh there's a little well i'll give you the behind-the-scenes tidbit about, there's some, there's some, like, little Easter eggs in the mask that come out of the movie. So she looks up and she doesn't know what's up. She runs to Ben, she says, Ted, Ted, there's a man, there's a man over there. And he just kind of groggily gets up and says, what, what are you talking about? And she says, there's a man, the man in our yard.

And Ted says sort of cryptically, yeah, honey, that's, that's the man. Like, he's, that's the man who comes to yard and ted says sort of cryptically yeah honey that's that's the man like he's that's the man who comes to kill us every night he's very casual about it and she doesn't know what the fuck is going on she's like what she just ate she doesn't know if he's half asleep um you know has she heard is she having an emily gonzalez moment has she heard this before and she doesn't doesn't realize it, right? Could be. So he wakes up out of bed and he says, well, come on, honey, let's go. You don't want to get caught in bed. That's like the worst place you could be.

She's like, what are you talking about? And he kind of gets out of bed and casually picks up a golf club. And he's like, man, what the fuck are you doing? Come on, let's go. We have to run for our lives now. And just like walks out of their bedroom door. And she is fucking stunned as you would be if your husband suddenly just casually referred to a man in the yard. And so she's just

gotten back from out of town. Was the assumption earlier like she's been gone for a little while? She has done a tour a little while ago, but we know this is something she's done for her book. But she's been in town for a little bit now. But it seems like this is the first's done for her book. Like she's done some, but she's been in town for a little bit now. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. It seems like this is the first time this has happened to her. Yeah. This is the first time this seems seemingly. We don't, I mean, we don't know. You know, like I said, there's some, we don't know. But, but yeah, she doesn't know.

She's, to her, this is insane that her husband is acting this way. To him, it's very casual, you know. It happens all the time. It's very normal and to be expected. It's totally yeah exactly and again now is that because he projects a certain masculine confidence all the time that we just okay sorry so this is the last time this is the last time i I promise. So he walks handsomely down the stairs. He walks down and the man is kind of stalking around.

She hears a little scuffle happening with the husband. There's shit going on in the other room. And she goes down and suddenly the man is in the same room with her behind her. This guy with this clear, creepy mask kind of advancing on her. And she's terrified. They have a little scuffle uh am i wrong that she knocks him with a lamp no no she the man comes and starts joking her and then suddenly from behind the man bam ted hits hits the guy on the head with his golf club and he collapses and ted's got a big you know scar on his cheek he clearly had something in the other room with the man. And she's freaking out, Rhea Grant's character, with this guy now laying on the floor with blood pouring out of his head.

She doesn't know what's going on. She's in a state of shock and panic. And Ted just kind of says, with a bit of a hurt whimper in his voice, you didn't even come check on me in the other room. But very casually. Then takes him in his arms and starts walking away. And she's like, shouldn't we shouldn't we like make you know do something like with the with the guy laying there shouldn't we call it something and dad's like no i'm sure he's already gone which you saw in the

trailer they turn around and of course the man is no longer there but there's just sort of blood laying on the on the wooden floor so they call the a little bit later the cops are over and they're you know they're investigating the scene and they're asking ted what happened and he's recounting yeah this man showed up um and the cops ask like so and you've never seen him before and ted kind of shares a little look with his wife and says no this is the first time we've ever seen him and kind of looks knowingly over at his wife and she doesn't she's kind of like what's going on she's just kind of looks knowingly over at his wife. And she's kind of like, what's going on? She's just kind of freaking out.

Why is my husband looking at me like we're sharing some kind of inside joke? So it's all very creepy to her. And the cops say a phrase that will be said throughout in this movie to her, which says, you know, you're very lucky. You're very, very lucky that nothing, this man could have caused a lot more damage she's going to keep hearing this particularly from from all the men that she encounters in this movie if it's not clear yet this movie i don't know if this spoils that it's a it's a very uh interesting and i thought kind of deep feminist allegory about yeah being a woman in the world i'm already like yeah i don't know where this is going but i'm already like i'm pissed off like this these motherfuckers um who i'm ready to hear

i will say if you so so if you're if you are listening this and you want to watch i would say pause it and watch it now because that's that's a good setup for you if you are interested also i would it's been fun to like see the reactions online particularly again the difference between how women watching the movie have reacted and how men have and i saw a really fun tweet that i was like that from a woman saying i would love if all men stopped what they're doing watch lucky right now and wrote a three to five page response thank you that's pretty great um okay yeah so so so so what do we go to the next morning then sammy am i missing something yeah they kind of say like we'll have the local guys keep an eye out

and yeah next morning they have have breakfast or coffee they have some breakfast and now she confronts him you know she's like wait honey i don't know if i was if i imagined it or something was up because i was in such a state of shock and panic but you said something really weird last night she asked her husband right which we saw this part in the trailer too and and he says um he's like what are you talking about she says you know you said that there was a man who comes and he finishes a sentence yeah every night and tries to kill us he's like what are you talking about he's like what honey that's the man the man shows

up every night like that's just how it is this is what happens now in this scene is where i had a little bit of an acting critique for myself but that's fine where i thought it would be more interesting should i say this i guess i'll give it to you in the behind the scenes part right um so she so she's she's just like flummoxed she's like what is going on and he's he starts getting more and more frustrated with her Like this is what happens A man comes We run for our lives

We try to You know He attacks us every night Why are you acting so fucking weird Like he starts Getting mad For him she's being crazy Because she should already know this

Yeah She should know this And she's Also He's upset with her For getting emotional about this You know There's kind of a bit of a gaslighting thing

Of like what the fuck? How can you get upset? This is just what happens. This is the way life is. Deal with this. And she's getting more and more frustrated. And clearly, this is a breaking point for him because this seems to seemingly happen before in some way. And he's like, you know what?

I don't want to get into this again. I'm not having another fight with you. And we get a hint that they've had – there's something in their history a little worse than the surface of this fight. And as their tensions mount, he's like, I'm fucking leaving. I'm going somewhere for a while until you calm down. I'll come back in a couple of days or something like that. She's like, well, you can't leave me alone. What if the man comes back?

And he looks at her like she's fucking crazy. And he says, it's the middle of the day. The man doesn't fucking do that and leaves. Gets in his car and goes to his family's place. At this point, she's freaking out because now she's left alone at home. There's this strange mystery of a man who seemingly comes every night. Or does he? What's happening here?

And so she's trying to get in touch with Ted. And it's like, please come back. I don't want what i you know i don't want us to fight but he's he's just like he texts her back saying like i'm sorry but i can't be with you when you're when you're like this um you're acting so irrationally like well like it's illogical for you to react in this emotional way um i love this because obviously gaslighting happens all the time in horror movies but i've never seen it done like this before so this is very surprising yeah yeah for sure i um yeah it's so tempting to say stuff about behind the scenes or like

stuff i know from bria from you know the way things that inspired this but i but i won't i'll save that for after okay i'll stick to the story uh but just literally in response to what you just said i want to say it's fine okay so we'll get there we'll get there um so she goes to she's left by herself and she goes to a hardware store buys a hammer she calls ted's sister sarah and asks have you have you heard from him and she hasn't right at this point no no uh ted's sister sarah played by the very honestly hilarious but this was a choice on the director's part to cast a lot of like comedy people in it because of what a strange kind of satirical movie this is sort of so costar muhammad who was also a ucb performer and is great plays my sister in the movie uh yeah calls her she hasn't heard from her either right and then i think sarah says like do you want to stay here and she says no that that's fine like and she's thinking ted's probably gonna come home that night he

doesn't so she's home alone that night um i think ed comes by to help her fix the window that was smashed and ed also says do you want me to stay here with you he's her assistant oh sorry yes oh okay i was gonna say who's ed okay yeah i forgot to mention she was at the beginning of the movie as well with her book tours and stuff so she's her assistant yeah sorry go ahead sammy um and so may um bria's character is basically like no like i'm not gonna be scared out of my house like it's gonna be fine i'm gonna i'm gonna stay here but you can see that she's like kind of gearing up but she's scared in case he comes again. And he she has been told he comes every night.

And then that night she I can't remember if she falls asleep or not. She's calling Ted leaving voicemails. And she hears a noise in the house at nighttime. And it's that man again. And I think she is, she is downstairs. He comes through a doorway. She's got the golf club in hand and she hits him in the legs.

So he kind of hunches over in pain, curls over in pain. And then she hits him on the head with the golf club he collapses on the ground she kind of checks to see if he is dead or unconscious his eyes open back up she runs from him she runs upstairs he chases her up the stairs and at the top of the stairs she turns and pushes him so he falls down the stairs and at the top of the stairs, she turns and pushes him. So he falls down the stairs and hits his head pretty hard. And you can see like a pool of blood coming from under from by his head.

And she goes to grab the phone to call the police again. And you hear her frantically on the phone like there's a man. The man is back at my house. And as she is placing this call, she then goes to look at him and he's gone again. So what is his vibe? Like this man, I'm guessing he doesn't speak. He's chill. He's like a chill stoner, bro.

Is he like cool? Is he single? What do we think he likes to eat for dinner um where can i take him um no is he like does he like actively like is he slow like i'm just sort of like what's is he like a mike i'd say he's more of a michael myers vibe yeah he's slow and i feel like he's in a michael myers adjacent outfit a kind of almost like a utility suit. It seems that way. It's kind of dark,

so I can't totally tell, but yeah, he's that kind of a suit thing, little piece of costume design, or this was from the hair and makeup department. His hair is similar to Ted's, like what we can see above it. They're styled in the same year.

He's got like, he's, he's, he's like a similarly built man just like uh yeah very yeah mike myers i think is a good comparison point i think he's like a kind of a facsimile slow but determined yeah exactly okay okay and calm calm and collected slow and determined yeah do the police like have records of them calling every night to be like a man's coming to kill or do the police like forget about this too or what are the police reaction so the cops come back again and now we get a detective

kind of that sits with her man um and they do remember that they were there last night right yep they do and they say don't worry we'll we'll have like our again they say like look you're lucky it could have been a lot worse this man could have done a lot. You know, you're very lucky. They keep telling her that like so what so your husband and you fight like he thinks he sees kind of that broken shard you know on the table and he's like something else is going on here with you and your husband if they're like is so what are these fights like when you fight with your husband is he is something going on and she's like no she's like there's a fucking man trying to kill me just like focus on that uh and he won't focus on it he's still asking about her husband and then yeah so they kind of just don't help really at all and then the next morning she goes to sarah's yes the ted sister's place and i think all that happens in this scene with

sarah's is that there's kind of an allusion to something happening. She's like, I don't know what I did that Ted is so mad at me for. And Sarah says, is this like last time? And she says, no, this is different. Last time was my fault. This is just a thing that happened. There's just a man trying to kill us. There's more tension in this marriage than where we have been let on. Yes, exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. There's something tension in this marriage than where we have been let on. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. There's something else historically happening. And so then we go to the book signing. Yes. So she's at a book signing now doing a Q&A. And you can tell she's super distracted. Like she's, you know, she's an author clearly who has a predominantly female audience, you know, for herself.

an author clearly who has a predominantly female audience, you know, for herself. And they're asking her questions about like being a woman in the workplace, being, you know, all these things that she's clearly an authority on in her books. And she has no confidence in answering them. Her mind is obviously elsewhere because she's being attacked every night by this strange man. And she doesn't really know how to answer them. And then someone in the audience played by carmen angelica asked her a question about um she says you you say in your book about how women

bond over their failures i think and she's like and you're right i do do that but do you think men and women are like differently react to, is it fear or certain things? What is it? The differently react to something? Yes. Yes. It's, it's very much in that, in that vein. I think, yeah, differently reactive fear or something. And, and as she's contemplating that question, you can tell that an idea is forming in, in May's mind where she starts to go, like, there's something about that question,

something about like, why am I responding differently to this fear as a woman as opposed to the way Ted, for example, just bounced, right? So something's forming and a plan of attack is seemingly forming in her head, right? So after that, she goes to- Back to hardware store, I think again, and get some rope and some mace. And now she's like drinking, making coffee.

She's going to stay up and face this man. And then sure enough, a little bit later, the man shows up. And she uses the mace. She, I think, stabs him in the back and at the foot of the bed if i'm remembering correctly and he falls like out of her view of sight she goes and grabs the phone to call the cops again and at the foot of the bed he is again gone yeah that's right she stabs us like achilles tendon and right and he knocks him up right yeah so does he does she see him disappear or it's more like she turns away and then she turns back and he's gone right yeah and does he like have a weapon with him or is he like

trying to kill her in a specific way or there's a yeah there's a line the first time where ted says i hope he doesn't have any good weapons tonight like he he he uses like something different every time i feel like he has a knife frequently, but does he use other weapons? Doesn't he have like some kind of hammer or something at some point? Yeah, maybe a hammer. Yeah, he can come with some weapons. Dealer's choice. Dealer's choice.

Yeah, yeah. Got it. It's a game for him. You know, he's just got like a different thing. He's there to attack. I'll try this tonight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly know, he's just got like a different thing. He's just, he's there to attack. I'll try this tonight. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. So he's gone again. And once again, May has to confront these detectives. Now there's a different detective as well. Something that the detective says, because she's getting mad because they're giving her the same treatment of kind of not really being any help at all. And he says, being angry is not going to help. Being angry is not.

Like, why don't you just like stay calm? You need to just like relax. Wait, is the second detective a woman or a man? This is the man that's saying this part. OK, OK. But yeah, the second one is a woman. Next day, again at the store, she's getting a security system with Sarah. Next day, again at the store, she's getting a security system with Sarah. And Sarah has one of those moments also where she kind of almost not a trance, but she kind of says something like she's talking normally and then all of a sudden she kind of says something a little differently and she says she says yeah that like things are these things are tough

that's just the the way it goes or something they say a lot is like yeah that's just the way things are that's just life that's how it is right uh and again she invites may to like stay at her place she's like are you sure you just don't want to you know come over to mine that way we can you can be there and may is just like no i gotta take care of this she's like determined now for that book signing and she so she goes to install the security system and goes home and puts it in sets a code you know that gets it all set up so she's ready to go when this when this man shows up uh and she's got all her like weapons now from Home Depot. She's like ready for this shit. Right. So she. Again, she like has some coffee and waits.

Right. She sits down and waits for the man. Well, he comes during the day this time. She is. Everyone said that wouldn't happen. They said it wouldn't happen. Because that security system isn't, you know, armed yet. So he just comes right in in the daytime but he's kind of standing downstairs and doesn't see her and so she she fully is able to like sneak up

right behind him and stab him and she the next day he comes during the day again so we're getting this it's like happening faster now that we're having these um like less time passes between his appearances well yeah yeah it seems that way. And yeah, he comes in the day again the next day. Yeah. And he's like getting more efficient, right? He's got like another knife or whatever with him. And at one point she stabs him in his neck and blood's like falling all over her. Oh, God, it's so fucking cool.

Yeah, that's this one. He's on top of her. They've been like fighting and tumbling around and she he's doing the thing where he's trying to push stab her and she's holding his hand off and is able to flip the knife

around and stab him in the throat but his throat is right above her face so all the blood just like goes onto her face and yeah she's able to roll out from under him call the cops she's covered in blood she's got like her duct tape in her hand she's like wiping blood off of her face and um he disappears again again and has she gotten any serious injuries in any of these occurrences she's getting uh yeah in one of them

she gets sort of like banged up she's getting banged up bruised yeah okay this house is beautiful by the way i really liked this house it has i mean we talk a lot about how spooky window window walls are but they're really window walls are the scariest kind of scary at nighttime but really beautiful in the day or you know what you know it's also the scariest kind of scary at nighttime, but really beautiful in the day. Or you know what? You know, it's also a scary kind of window, less wall. There's the right amount of windows to have and any more, any less scary. That's a good point.

Yeah. There's never a movie where there's a big window wall house that turns out good. You know, like Parasite, big window wall. Big window wall. The shit goes down. What is it? Ex Machina. I'm thinking of all those like big window wall houses. Shit's bad.

Too much glass. You don't want that. Not good. Not good. So, okay. So if I'm not mistaken, then again, she's like,

she like confirms with the police. She's like, look, I need you guys to fucking come immediately when I do this. Just like be waiting and do this because this man keeps coming back. Right?

And they're like, all right, fine or whatever. And again, they're still asking her. They her they're like okay but were there any like verbal threats she's like no i this man's wearing a fucking mask and he's silent like they're still trying to kind of get more out of her than necessary you know what i mean okay but is it really that serious like do we need has he directly said he's gonna come back you know they're not they still don't quite believe this is a this is a code red emergency um so she she like you know batons down the place and then i believe the next day she's like she's hammering the cabinet she got a hammer and she go and the door there's someone at the door and so

she goes and answers the door with a hammer on but it's her book agent uh her and her agent is like hey i'm sorry i'm sorry this we saw this in the trailer a little bit and the guy's like this is a bad time she's like like, no, it's fine. She's just holding a hammer. So he gives her a box of all her books that were still unsold or whatever. She's like, I got these. And you know what? We got a new advance.

And he starts to say these things that agents in different capacities say sometimes, literary agents where he's like we got an advance in a new book they do have a few notes you know with the women's movement being what it is we'd love if you threw in some buzzwords and then he says yeah he's like you know like latinx and just get the shit that notes that if you've ever gotten studio notes this is pretty real if you've ever like that uh it's pretty real we get it we just want to make sure you get it and it's this kind of stuff exactly so he wants like a little like you know hashtag me too like like make it feel like it's like contemporary about it and then and then we'll publish it or whatever and she's just obviously like this is not my fucking focus right now she's you know she's dealing with

the life and death thing and then again he says like by the way you are so lucky that they want to do another one and she's like what he's like you're so lucky that they want to work with you and then finally something snaps and she's like no i'm not lucky i worked my fucking ass off on that book and like i worked my ass off all the time and i did these tours and i you know what i mean i did all this shit for free and i wrote and i fucking i'm not lucky i just work really really really fucking hard and he's like kind of silent and it's just like yeah that's that's what i meant all right well congrats on that and he kind of splits uh but you could tell something is changing in her she's she's she's like she doesn't like hearing that anymore understandably that night

man returns if you can believe it at this point i can just like we've seen her character change a little in the last scene this time she's like fuck you you fucking asshole like she starts like you know she starts taunting them and she the last scene. This time she's like, fuck you, you fucking asshole. She starts taunting the man. She's just going at it directly. She's like, what the fuck do you want? What do you want from me? I'm not even scared of you. You know, I don't give a shit.

And he obviously doesn't answer. He's just kind of being casual and creepy. He's being the man. Creepy cash. I mean, she's killed him so many times at this point. It is extremely impressive. I mean, like, she wins every time. Yeah.

Except he's obviously some kind of creepy ghost or something. So I don't know what the deal is there. Something's happening. Something else is going on with her. OK. And then somehow he holds up his hand and he's got her knife. And she's like, all right, let's do this. And like grabs her hammer.

And she like uses it to like stab him in the back, blood spurts and stuff. And he kind of falls to the floor. And she like grabs a rope, binds his hands together, ties his legs together. Okay, hell yeah. And she's about to, she goes closer to her face and she's about to pull this creepy kind of distorted mask off his face. When there's a knock and the cops are like oh police are here you know we there was an alarm or whatever and they storm into the living room and this time she says to the man you're lucky and as she turns away though again the man

is oh he disappears oh she had him tied up and everything. Thought you got to take a pic. Pic's where it didn't happen. Okay. Then there's a scene with the social worker. And I think it's kind of the same thing where she's talking to a person that's supposed to be kind of there to help her. And somewhat of an authority figure that's just like not helpful at all and kind of if anything trying to make her feel bad or crazy and and i i feel like that's the the scene is it's like oh another person that's not helping me with this problem and not really taking me seriously yes exactly and then she and again the social worker is asking her about her husband and it's like so what's what's up with ted you know like going and going off in the stand and she's not interested in gaslighting her and then she asked her if i'm not mistaken

says like has so with your husband with these fights you're talking has he ever been like very angry with you and acted in a way that that wasn't appropriate because she's trying to figure out like what does this man have to do with the husband right and may takes a second and then has to say yeah he has and the social worker's like what do you mean and then may explains like well a year ago she cheated on ted she was on a book tour and she thought their relationship was over and stuff and she she ended up cheating on him and she eventually confessed it to him and he was very very angry and the social worker's like okay and did he did he hit you and she says no no no he just like he was just very angry so i'm trying to tell you that and again the social worker's like yeah but was he physically violent with you and she says no no he was sad and upset and you know i feel

regret about this thing i ruined our marriage but that's all that happened and the social worker's still like well have you heard from him since this has started? You know, are you sure you're fine now? And again, Mae just keeps saying, like, I don't, I feel like you're just not hearing me. I'm not, that's not the issue I'm trying to deal with. This other thing has nothing to do with it. She's like, I hurt my husband. I'm not in danger from him.

I'm in danger from this other man. And Mae just kind of has to give up. She's like, no one can hear exactly what, what I'm trying to bring to the issue. Does the social worker tell her to stay at Sarah's? Yeah. She decides to go to Sarah's. Yes, worker tell her to stay at sarah's yeah she decides to go to sarah's yes yeah and again if you're listening to this i promise if you watch the movie it'll be more entertaining than listening to me try to think of exactly what happened in the

scene so please watch it please watch um yes are you ruining this retelling so people will watch your movie a sneaky sneaky play sneaky sneaky okay so she goes to sarah's uh ted's sister and ted um you know fucking exhausted like me at this point it's just like obviously she's had it up to here she's like ragging no one will listen to her people are just gaslighting her left right and center the whole vibe of it is you know obviously she's being stalked every night so she goes to sarah's and you know they sit down and have some white wine i think or you know at her kitchen table and she's sarah's just like you look so tired like what's what's up and may's like no but i need to stay vigilant and sarah's like don't worry you're safe here you know you're somewhere else it's gonna be fine she's just may's trying to communicate like this man is just being back every night i don't know what i'm doing and sarah again

is like look these things are just you know they're really horrible and may's like well what do you think is i mean am i being punished for something that i did and all sarah seems to repeat is like yeah this is so scary this is really horrible and may's like i've said that i did and all sarah seems to repeat is like yeah this is so scary this is really horrible and amazing i've said that i've said all of like i feel like i'm having this conversation again like you are the sleep cove man is that what he is that's what it sounds like he's the sleep cove man she's like are you even fucking listening to me right um and then when she leans forward somehow like Sarah leans forward And accidentally knocks the wine

Like a glass of wine She goes and bends to get it And when she bends over She's wearing a spaghetti strap Like a halter A loose back top A loose back tank top An open back top

And when she bends over To get the wine uh may notices there's a huge scar down sarah's back and may has to ask she's like what what is that what's that scar and sarah says and god i love costa's performance in this scene especially uh sarah just kind of looks at her and says just an old thing just part of living in this world says, just an old thing. Just part of living in this world. She just doesn't... And then quickly changes the topic. Is there any reason this man might be targeting you?

And it's so unclear what's going on. Just an old thing. Freaky. So creepy. You got to watch Cosser's head because it's such a beautifully creepy performance. She just gets her settled in the room. She's staying in their house.

She starts unpacking her stuff. She's like Googling problem solving for staying alive, I think is what she Googles. That's right. Oh, and Sarah's little kid Cooper's in the house as well. Who's like a seven, eight-year-old boy or something like that. All kids are eight. All kids are eight. Yeah, all kids are eight. we've established that on this podcast

yeah that that makes sense actually to me yeah um she's googling yeah she's googling like these like it's so funny to do that to google like problem solving for staying alive you know and like a man and mask attacking me i like it though because i've googled such crazy shit like i've totally you do google just weird random shit like that absolutely i feel like if i was in this situation i would i would be like what to do if you know man and mask how to kill the man that tries to kill you every night yeah um and she hears a crash somewhere in the house, like a window breaking. This is in Sarah's house. And she jumps up and she grabs her hammer that she's got with her.

And she runs into the room and she sees, just like slathered in blood, Sarah is laying down there just covered in a pool of her own blood. Her face like bloody. She's just been... And Mae just starts to hyperventilate because she's like fuck the the man is here and of course she looks up and standing there near the bed is the man um so may just run you know turns around and dashes out exits uh the van chases she's screaming um she sees she looks down the hall and she sees cooper the little uh eight-year-old kid eternally eight-year-old kid uh standing there uh she's like cooper go to your bedroom and look lock the fucking door and he just stares she said now go to your fucking room and then like

she didn't say fucking she said go to your room go fast and unlock the door call the police cooper runs off luckily listens to her the door flies open and the man chases after her again. She grabs the hammer. She runs out into the backyard. And the man beats her to it and like hits her into her with all of her weight. All of his weight like throws her into the wall. She like smashes the hammer into his head, I think, and passes out. Both of them are like now laying in a pool of their own blood.

The man, you know, both the man and her. so this is the worst that she's gotten hurt by him yes yes they both hurt the shit out of each other and they're but they're both like their blood kind of crawling towards each other we see a beautiful like overhead shot and it's a very very natasha is such a like such a stylish director i really love it and this is one of those scenes where for like a 20 second slow fade to black, we just like kind of as their blood mingles together, we just kind of, this is really strange. And we're not sure again, what's real and what's not as this is happening, like something's happening. She passes that, right?

And when she comes through, there's a person above her. She comes through with her vision blurry of a person looking at her and she jumps up, obviously. And the man's like, no, no, no, don't worry. I i'm here to help you it's clearly like a medic in a medic outfit he's like you're safe you're fine and she's like where's where's sarah where's cooper and the the medic says cooper the kid he called the police like he said you told him to it's totally fine i examined him myself he's not hurt at all uh he's it's it's all gonna be fine um and she looks over to where the man was. And again, it's just a puddle of blood.

And the man is, of course, bounced. He's gone. They say that Sarah has been rushed to the hospital. She says, I need to go there. And the paramedic is like, no, I really need to check your vitals. I need to give you a sedative that'll help you heal you're pretty badly hurt she says i don't want a sedative i want to go see sarah and make sure she's okay and she starts kind of trying to i think like push her way through

the house now we have the two detectives there i think the social worker the paramedic and they're all kind of like crowding around her and each asking her questions like getting really in her face it's like really overwhelming they're like um i mean the writing in this scene is so great because they're their sentences start to blend together like they're picking up each other's i can't remember an example yeah that's no that's exactly it um and and again she's just like we've been over all of this shit like how i've been trying to tell you this and it's just more questions i have some more questions and then at some point i think right before what you were just saying the crescendo for their voices go she says something like how long have i been doing this she's like asking the how long

has this been going on and the opposite says what i what do you mean he's like she's like fighting the man every like how long have we been doing that he's and the officer's kind of casual he's like oh i don't know i assume since the parking garage and she's like what what parking garage and he's like well when you dropped your books and you you couldn't find your keys that's when she's like what are you what are you talking about and then they start to all ask questions at the old at the same time and a little bit we saw a little glimpse of in the trailer the medic is like well that sure is scary and the other detective is like very you know they're very like kind of chipper about how scary it is they're all asking these questions their voices blend together and then in a very strange

moment it seems like they're all singing at her almost like their voices blend and their the tone starts to get switched up like almost auto-tune and they're like, kind of singing it. It's all overwhelming her fucking, like she doesn't know if she's going insane or this is actually happening and, you know, runs out of the place.

And then she, she runs into a car. She's like, puts her keys in. And as she does it, it's daytime. Suddenly it switches to night and she's in the parking, in the parking garage.

Like something has happened here. Oh, scary. So she night and she's in the parking garage. Like something has happened here. Oh, scary. So she's kind of freaking out. She's like, what the fuck is happening? She looks at herself in the rearview mirror and just looks hellish. She's gone through so much shit. She

through her car window, she kind of sees them. Oh, she gets out of the car. Yeah, she gets out of the car and Yeah, she gets out of the car. And then she sees or hears maybe a scream, looks in one direction. And it's a different man. It's not her man. It's a long-haired man now. And she sees.

Also in a mask? Also in a mask. A slightly different mask. With like a meat hook or something. This is his weapon. I hate that. i hate that no it's a bad one and then we see uh ed her assistant running at the man and attacking him and trying to kill him i think they knock him down she knocks him down and then um may runs up and grabs ed to help ed and is like come here come here and they like hide behind a car um he gets back up um may has like a box cutter or some some sort of little knife a little switchblade i think she grabbed like a scalpel

from the medics thing like she's running out of there she grabbed a scalpel from the medics thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was running out of there. She grabbed a scalpel, yeah. And this man walks by and they're huddled behind the car. And as he steps forward again, they slice that Achilles heel. Ugh. And he falls and Edie's able to get the meat hook from him and grabs it and stabs him with that meat hook and they have a little conversation where it seems like they're both going through something similar here they're like wait so you have you have a man too girl damn that's not what that's not that's not how they say like you they both have a man you know what i mean and they they

both so they they and they're both trying to they both see Edie seems like kind of more casual about it this one she's like yeah this is what this is what we deal with and as they walk around they go

you know they start hightailing it in the parking garage and they see another woman with another man also fending off her man they turn around it's like this 360 shot

and they see another woman with a different man turn around it's another woman with a different man it's all these crazy colors and shit going on something's up

I have chills I got chills on my scalp oh my god yeah this is this scene is yeah really um it's very visually cool right because it's got the like the lighting and it is yeah it's all these reds and blues shout out to julia swain who's the director of photography on this who fucking kills it and natasha for like her vision of this shit like it's's such a, it's such a, it's so surreal, but also I feel like you feel the meaning of it because of it. You feel kind of the import of it. It's just like, we keep swiveling through like a whole 360 degrees and it's just different women dealing with their different man. Wow.

It's fucking them all up. And then. Edie's like, we have to help them. We have to help them. And May is kind of like, help all of them. Like, I can't, we can't help all of them. Like, how are we have to help them and may is kind of like help all of them like i can't we can't help all of them like how are we gonna do that and edie's like well just like you helped me and may says i helped you because i know you you're my friend like i can't even help myself i can't help

all of these women we just got to get out of here we got to basically like worry about ourselves and i think as they're like running out we hear something and may turns around and edie is having her throat slit by by her man by maze man no by maze man no no uh so may screams runs um And of course there's You know, there's another woman being attacked By another man, right? But Mae can't help She feels this guilt, but she can't help them all

And it's women we've seen before In the movie, you know, who are now reappearing And fighting off their men So she runs out to her Her car, jumps into her car To speed off And the man shows up and she runs out to her her car jumps into her car to speed off and and the man shows up and she runs him over her man uh maze man she runs him over with her car continues to drive uh and he's freaking out the whole time she's trying to call ted gets his voicemail again um and then as she's driving off freaking out like try it's just Ted's voicemail. She glances up in her rear view mirror and Ted is in her backseat.

She sees Ted's face there in her backseat. Now, obviously, as viewers, we are distracted because the facial proportions on this guy. No, OK, sorry. So she like swerves off and pulls over and it's like, what? And Ted is just very casually like hi may and she's like ted you fucking scared me what the fuck and ted is like you think you'd be used to that by now she's like what what are you what the fuck were you doing back there and ted's like well the police called so i came as quickly as i could and she's like to the back of my car

and ted's like yeah again acting so kind of like this is all normal and she's the weird one right and uh she's like get out of my car ted get the weird one, right? And she's like, get out of my car, Ted. Get the fuck out. And he's like, why? She's like, get out. And he won't get out. So she says, fine. She gets out.

Ted emerges from the car also. And at this point, she's very on edge with him. She's like, don't get any closer to me. She doesn't know what is going on with this husband of hers, right? And he's just like, I was waiting for you. And as she looks at him, she realizes he's got, like, blood on his hand. She's like, why is there blood on your hands? And Ted's like, well, no, I helped a woman back there.

You know, the parking garage is dangerous and shit. And she's just like, kind of stay away from me, Ted. And he says a line that this is, I think, credit to Bria's great writing. He says, like, I'm your husband, Mae. What could I ever do to hurt you? Which is, of course, the most likely person to hurt anyone. And again, he's telling her, he's like, she's like, I didn't just stay back. And he's again like, you're being so fucking ridiculous, Mae.

Like, you're being so crazy right now. What are you doing? And as they walk out, he's like, why don't we just go inside? And she's like, what do you mean go inside? And then looks around and they're in the front of their house. And she's like, I didn't drive here. I don't know. How am I here? And Ted's just kind of you know yeah sometimes

you end up where you gotta be right and so she's like why why are you here they're in this real moment of now dealing with their shit and he's like um well you remember we were fighting right you got like when we you got really like mean to me and and i was just trying to come up with solutions and be rational and you were acting all crazy and she's like what are you talking about i wasn't and he and he says um well i said i'd come back when you calmed down so so i came back and so she you know she puts it all out there she's like look i thought i was being punished you know for cheating on you when i when i did and and then i i realized like all these other women are also being attacked they can't all be getting punished right that they're all is i i don't get it i guess we're i guess we're just all here to survive in some way um and then she says like the police by the way thought

that it was you they thought the man was you and he says well how could it be me i was there right i fought him you saw me do that and he's like well you thought it was me and she's like i don't know and then ted says well it doesn't really matter it doesn't really matter how to who the man is or how you fight him right the the man is just the point is you just got to deal with what's happening this is what it is uh and she says all right well i'm going inside and ted says like you know we're not safe there right she's like yeah i know and they of put their, he takes her hand and they walk up to that. There's some kind of strange like peace between them from this, this conversation they've had. And so they walk up towards the house.

They're standing in front of the house now in front of the big creepy wall window. And, and Ted says like, well, we just got to get through this together. You know, maybe things will be normal again. And it's this very emotional moment. And he kind of, like, you know, hugs her and puts her, you know, I'm trying to remember what I actually did on the day, but puts her little hair behind her ear, maybe. And says, like, this has been these few days have been really hard for you. And now all, like, tears start to flow down her face. It's like this cathartic, all this tension of several days is kind of pouring out of her and she's like i really want

to give up but i know we just got to keep going and ted is like look i'm here you don't have to go it alone and squeezes her and hugs her tightly and she's just like man everything's so fucking weird and as he's squeezing her she hears him she hears him like him gasp in her arms and feels like, pulls her hand and feels like a wetness on her back. And then feels around and there's a knife protruding out of Ted's back. And he looks at her, not really focusing her, and crumples to the ground with a knife stuck in his back. And of course, revealing the man standing behind her. Oh, this fucking man. This fucking man has killed Ted.

this fucking man this fucking man has has killed ted and so she dashes away from this like good looking corpse laying on the floor turns around for one last look one last look she's like one more kiss ted one more kiss i don't care that you're dead. You're too handsome. Too sexy, Ted. Sorry, okay. So she runs into the house. The fucking man is chasing her, of course. She's screaming at him at this point because he's like, what did you do to Ted? She's like, no, no, no. Like, not this time. Goes inside, locks the doors.

He's like running around trying to lock each of the doors. Goes back to the big glass walls. Window walls. And he shows. The man shows that he has. Just like a ring of so many keys. And she says. That's not fair. That's not fair.

And she says like I fucking hate you. And. He. I think uses the keys to come in he's he's pursuing her they're down on the on the first floor and so she's like walking towards she grabs that shard of glass from the beginning that they had said that could be pretty dangerous and turns and as he's coming for her, kind of stabs him in the neck with it. And it's this very cool, like, slow-mo shot where the camera, like, falls with them. And they both, like, collapse on the ground.

Him seemingly dead again. But they've fallen facing each other. And they're just kind of, she's looking at him. She reaches over and she pulls off the mask finally. And we see the man's face. But it's a shifting, moving face where it's Ted. And then it's the officer. And then it's just like, it's all the men in the movie kind of just slowly

oh my god of course morphing over his face from person to person and it cuts to black and that's that's the end of the movie that's the end of the movie oh my god the music is so

good in that scene too the score is great Jeremy who did the score is a freaking genius he is so good in that scene too The score is great Jeremy who did the score Is a freaking genius He's so good The score is great The score will be out on vinyl next week For my soundtrack enthusiasts

Wow That's lucky I hope people who haven't seen it Didn't listen to it But please watch it Because it's really good I hope people who haven't seen it didn't listen to it this all. They listened to part of it and then watched it. But please watch it if you haven't already. Because it's really good. And also describing it won't do justice.

Natasha's direction is so stylish and cool and the moods of it and the ship. The repetitiveness of that thing actually plays really well cinematically because you feel her frustration with it so much because of how it's working out Yeah I really highly recommend it For people even if I wasn't in it I would recommend it

We can watch movies that Drew's not in Some of those are good But this one Also good Okay I can't wait to hear the behind the scenes stuff And your acting note But also I just listening to it and I'm sure watching

it too Sammy it feels like by the end you have to get to seeing her like win or like find a way and that's like she doesn't like she just sees what it is but it's like it's not we don't think at the end of the movie that it's

not going to happen again right so that, that's what I was thinking about too, where one of the things that makes horror movies so scary is when the problem is inescapable. And this is like the perfect problem that is inescapable. Obviously it's an allegory for the patriarchy, which we are all living in constantly. And it is not, hopefully not that bad in Kafka. But nonetheless, it is like everywhere and inescapable. And there's no end to it that you can really see. And it's, wow. And no one face, like no one enemy.

It's like, hey, guess what? It's every man in your life. Right. And even the women, to a certain extent, I guess that's probably what was happening with Sarah, where it's like internalized misogyny or internalized just like normalization of living in this society that, yeah, the shitty things happen to women. Yeah. Like, just deal with it. That's like part of what we do. Yeah.

Oh, wow. Yeah, it is uh it really i mean it really i'm it really did make me think a lot i mean even from doing it where i was like it's also so this is this is a little behind the scenes kind of thing and i think it's okay for me to talk about it because i because bria told us obviously on set but also she when we were on a panel she kind of mentioned this uh but a lot of the inspiration for her in writing it was from a personal experience she had with a stalker and reporting that there was this man stalking her. And the way it was treated by the cops and people she reported it to is almost beat for beat what happens to me in this movie, where it's like, how much more evidence or whatever do you need? You know, it was like this constant series of things.

So I think it, I think that's why the fact that there was no clean resolution in this movie is because in real life, she had no clean resolution from that. Yeah. So I think it comes from that. And there's always like the implication that like, you've done something to provoke him or like,

what have you done to like, get to lead him to acting in this way or what's your involvement? Or is it really as bad as you say or are you being dramatic or? Right. Sure maybe it's happening but it's probably not that. You think it's a

big deal but it's probably not really that big of a deal. Yeah. Yeah and I mean there's like so many words and phrases in the movie that like every woman has heard so many times of just like calm down like you're being crazy and like those kind of like there's a right way to react to this in a wrong way and the way you're reacting is the wrong way yeah right this is what a good movie yeah it really is i really and again man i i i don't know i feel like it's such a what I love about what Bria did with it,

and I think it's this, like, using hard genre filmmaking to do, because I feel like watching a movie about a topic like that, it's almost like sugar pills, you know? It's easier to digest it for people. Like, for me me as a as a cis straight man walking around the world i feel like this makes it inescapable to kind of feel feel her worldview and feel the feel like empathy with it whereas if you watch a documentary about it or something it's like it's it comes at you in a different way here it's like i'm being sucked

into it i don't know i think they did being put in those shoes, put in that place. Yeah. Very good thesis for your three to five page essay. Yeah, there we go. Really good. It's cool. I really recommend, guys, again, please, if you're listening, it's getting really, really solid, great reviews. It's just such a, it's a fun, it's also fun despite the heaviness of the, you know, it's

also like, it's actually fun to watch. So I recommend it. Dhruv, okay, you gotta give us the deets. What was your choice that you don't like? Gotta give us the lowdown. Oh, yeah. Well, in the scene, in the breakfast scene, you know, the day after the first attack when she's talking about it. I kind of made the choice where, and I talked to Natasha about it, obviously, where I was was like i think i should play it pretty artificially so that we don't know if he's really feeling if he's like if ted is for real or kind

of a cipher like we don't you know what's going on in this scene and i think that when i watch it i'm like like three or four of those lines just come across like bad acting but they're meant to be i was trying to do it artificial but you got if you don't know that's what i'm going for i don't know it's a choice i would have changed if i could go back and do it again that's all that's what that is i liked it yeah thank you we listened to what sammy likes so yeah if sammy likes it we like it okay good and you said this shot super quick. Where did you guys shoot it and when? And how did that all go down?

Yeah, we shot it all in LA. The house is this house in Alhambra. This big old house that they got with the beautiful bay windows. I think the whole movie was shot in about two weeks or maybe a little, a little under that. And so we just tore through pages. Yeah. Just tore through long scenes and got it done. I mean,

it was, it was such a gung ho cool crew. It's really, there's something very exciting about working on like an indie movie though, because it's, everyone's doing it as a passion project. No one is being paid as much as they like probably should for their, their level of talent,

like the directors and the DPs and stuff, but they all, they're all very passionate about it because the script is so interesting and cool. And I think also because of that, because Epic Pictures, who took a big risk on it, because when the resources are a little more limited, they give the filmmakers a little more freedom to kind of try interesting, weird shit,

which is why we have that cool scene in the garage where we're seeing every woman like a metaphorical movie i think you only get that when you have the risks of indie filmmaking so i kind of love that it was that it was on a shoestring did you shoot it during covid or before covid before covid we were actually slated to open it was like late 2019 uh we were supposed to go we we got got into the movie was going to open at South by Southwest. I had tickets booked and shit. Oh, that exact South, like the March 2020 South by Southwest. The one that got canceled.

And I still have not been refunded for my plane tickets, United. United? Excuse me. I also had to cancel a flight. And same, they gave me credit, which is fuck you. I'm not going on trips for a whole year. know i know exactly rude um but yeah we were supposed to do south by and then i mean i i do wish it would have been so nice to going to a festival with a movie is the most fucking fun thing i can imagine doing i haven't done that yet but obviously that didn't happen

on the bright side i guess you you know, it got next time. And hopefully more people will see it because of being distributed, you know, and Shudder. We'll see what happens with it. Yeah, we love Shudder here on the pod. Oh, Drew, thank you for doing this for us. This experiment of you telling your own movie, you did a great job.

Thank you. I know, I'm sorry I stumbled on the details because I truly wish I could have remembered it more sequentially. But it's hard when you think of it. I think of it as such a conglomeration of scenes and stuff. It's hard to remember. It was great.

It was great. It was so good. Oh, my God. I want to see it now, even though I'm kind of scared. You can do it. You can do it, Henley. We told you all the parts to cover your eyes. Okay.

All right. I'll just close my eyes, cover my ears. You're armed with information. You mentioned something about Easter egg in the masks oh yes yeah this is a piece from the art department on the movie also who also killed it um one thing about the mask is every time um god i forget the person the name of the person who built the mask i want to shut him up because he was great too but i i can't remember so i'm sorry but uh the scars on the man's mask on the mouth whenever and then in the garage when we see different men they spell out the name of whoever they're attacking so the man says

kind of in scars if you look closely in the garage like the other man says, Edie. You know, they all have like the. That's cool. That's really cool. There were other cool. Oh, yeah. There's also like in the movie around May's house. They're like some little sculptures with a bunch of like severed fingers, like kind of creepy sculptures. And they say the number of the attack that's happening. So like two or number four or three.

Oh, that's so cool beautiful little touches for like the hardcore fans you know what I mean oh I love that me too but you're right

that is like those things that you can just feel like the care that goes into making a movie when you have those things happening

where it's like it doesn't necessarily matter that you notice those things what you notice is that the movie is made by people doing those things. You know? Yeah.

That is still what you feel. I agree. And that's so cool. And I feel like horror audiences, like the hardcore horror heads, do have... There's a lot of cult movie fandom around those things. So I feel like they do relish like rewatches where you can or you can spot the little cool things oh yeah that's fun there's gonna be a reddit page of like did you guys notice this yeah definitely i wish amoeba music was open that's one of my favorite stores

because they have like a whole cult section in their dvd place and i was like man i wish i wish i could go see a movie i'm in and addoeba. That would be so tight right now. But alas. Hopefully. Hopefully. Wait, is Amoeba closed forever? I think they say they're reopening, but I don't know. Well, I hope they will reopen and that that can become a reality for you.

I will will that into. Thank you. Oh, thank you. We can all agree the worst thing to happen in 2020, 2021, 2021 is Dhruv not getting to see a DVD. Going to Amoeba. At Amoeba, yeah. The worst thing. It's the worst thing.

Yeah, I really feel for you. Thank you. Thanks so much. Well, that's it. Thank you so much, Dhruv. Thanks for having me. I hope everybody watches. I hope everybody watches. I hope everybody watches Lucky. Dhruv,

thank you so much for joining us. Oh my god, thank you so much for having me. Truly, what a treat. I love your guys' pod. It's so fun. And it's perfect. So fun to have you. Usually we try to do a fun voice to say goodbye. I'm not sure if there are

any fun voices in this one were there i don't just a silent a silent man silent man a silent man the man has his like little sound like he has a sound uh theme that accompanies him you know musically that's kind of these weird distorted inorganic sounds but i guess you could do that but it's kind of hard let's try to do that i don't know what that sounds like at all. Should we make a little groan? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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