Too Scary; Didn't Watch - ROSEMARY'S BABY

Episode Date: May 27, 2020

Nosy neighbors, an incredible haircut, and a level of gaslighting that is truly off the charts - we're recapping the 1968 classic Rosemary's Baby. Join us as we learn how terrifying pregnancy and motherhood are. This episode contains descriptions of rape and other sensitive topics and could be triggering! Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley. I'm also too scared. And I also want to do a quick disclaimer that it's pretty noisy around my apartment right now because of my neighbors. And I apologize in advance if you hear that. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Oh, and there's... We got to finish, but there's someone mowing my lawn right now Outside apparently too so This episode is gonna Suck sorry who are you Who are you Sammy My name is Sammy

And I like watching scary movies And I like telling these two Scaredy cats all about all about them And what's the noise level like Where you're at it's actually there's someone rolling um a trash can behind me so okay it's also noisy so sorry it's a noisy app this is what you're gonna get um aside from noise what's up what's up with us um you guys i sold my car this week oh nice you did it i did it. I did it. It was really easy, to be completely honest.

I mean, I think I knew I didn't want to have to sell it to another human because that's stressful in terms of negotiating. And also, I know. You sold it back to a dealership? I know nothing about cars. Well, I didn't want to do that either because car dealerships notoriously give you like, yeah, they totally rip you off. So a nice happy medium is and a good process for anyone who's considering selling their car is I went to CarMax and got an appraisal and then they gave me an offer. Then I took that offer to basically like a regional regional carmax like a smaller chain and this one is called bid lane and they have like a few different ones around california and they just like will automatically

exceed the carmax offer they like do an appraisal business lady wow well it was so easy it was like not complicated at all and also I felt so much more comfortable doing it with that in like that situation instead of having to like... Yeah. It was like so much faster, especially right now. Like you don't want to deal with like somebody coming to check out your car. Like there's no... Yeah. Yeah. It's just too complicated right now. So it was so fast. Honestly, the whole experience at Midlane, probably I was in and out of there in like 40 minutes. Nice. It was crazy. It was so fast. And then i didn't have a car anymore and i was like holy shit congrats no

no more car congratulations wait up wait off my shoulders um well emily and i both did a thing this week we went on another podcast in Australia. You guys, I am so excited. So cool! The Zoom pod has really opened up a lot of possibilities for us. All things are possible now. All things are possible.

Except for seeing my friends. That would be cool. We're going to become international podcast stars because of you guys. Correct. Yes. Yes, we are. But yeah, the podcast was called Spooko and it was really fun. And what's the concept behind Spooko? It's similar to ours, Henley. That's how we met them. Very similar. They do a little chat and then a Wikipedia synopsis. So theirs is much faster than ours. They're basically like the quicker

version of us. Just really running through. They're the quicker Australian male version. And there's only two of them, so it's smaller. But they were great and they were so fun and it was, I just couldn't get over that we were doing it at like 8pm our time

California the next day midday Australia and it was so easy they just sent a link and I just did everything I do for this podcast and was like oh okay great now we're doing a podcast in Australia and that's just like what we're doing right now it was cool

and now we have Australian friends which is all we've ever all we've ever wanted so peach and shag And now we have Australian friends, which is all we've ever all we've ever wanted. Oh, my God. It's so true. So peach and peach and shag. Shout out.

I also finished renovating. Renovating feels like too big a word for what I did. But for lack of a better word, renovating my kitchen. What would you call that? Are you decorating it? Are we doing? I don't know. I redid it. Yeah, I didn't like renovate it. I painted some things and like put up shelves.

It's like between a redecorating and a renovating. It is between. We need to find a word for that. There was some gentle construction that happened. There was some gentle construction. I put up a backsplash i put up some shelves it looks really good thank you i really like it um and it is also really sad that

i'm like well i mean i did it because i'm staring at my kid i mean like staring at my own apartment all the time but i'm also like and no one can come see but i mean eventually right I'm not going anywhere Yeah Let's talk about this week's movie The winner of the second chance bracket Second chance Was Rosemary's Baby Came out in 1968 Directed by Roman Polanski Written by Roman Polanski

Based on a novel by Ira Levin Starring Mia Farrow John Cassavetes, Ruth Gordon, Sidney Blackmer, and Maurice Evans. And it is very good. I went through quite a crisis in this movie about whether or not... I don't feel like I'm great at separating art from the artist and I don't know that you should be great at it so it's a very complicated

issue it is but it is also not right like we shouldn't support terrible people but something like this is a classic and it's been around a long time and it's like yeah I have I have so many thoughts about this, you guys. It makes me so angry, honestly.

I mean, it is. It's disgusting. He's a rapist. He was a pedophile rapist. Of a child, yeah. Yeah. And he admitted it. He admitted it.

And was convicted of it and then fled the country and then was still making fucking movies stills making movies and won an academy award for the pianist in 2003 yeah he won he won a um a french i can't remember a caesar award i think is the name of the award for best director just last year in 2019 which is good like insane to me um and that was for a movie that's apparently about a man that is wrongfully persecuted and i just oh my god i just can't understand how i mean this movie was in 1968 before any of this happened and so i feel like if maybe when it all happened he had gone to jail and was still in jail and was paying a the appropriate price for his crimes maybe i could uh reckon with it reckon with that a little more um but

i yeah it just really makes me really sick that he's still not only not in prison but like still being celebrated with awards and like, what the fuck is happening? Yeah, I agree. I think there's a difference between wanting to completely like eliminate the art that has been created by someone like this. It's not that because obviously Rosemary's Baby, I have never seen it, obviously. It's not that because obviously Rosemary's Baby, I have never seen it, obviously.

But Rosemary's Baby, he also did. What was the other one that Chinatown? Chinatown. Yeah. Chinatown. Like, clearly he's created these like kind of timeless, amazing movies that people love and have been so influential yeah yeah and so it's not like you it's not like we're supposed to just pretend they don't exist anymore but like why the fuck are we letting this guy still like live a normal life and be like praised in the way that he is it's pretty unacceptable i mean i don't know how he's gotten this fucking free pass.

It's like, because his reckoning was in 77 and nobody gave a shit back then, I guess he's just somehow come out unscathed. It's a Quentin Tarantino said on a, in a Howard Stern interview in 2003 that she, Christine Gaiman or whatever, like wanted to have sex with him. That it was consensual. Right.

And that's, like, that's, like, a very common narrative, is that, like, she wanted to have sex with him. Also, just, like, obviously we know this. We all know this. Hopefully everyone listening knows this. Children can't consent to sexual activity. A 13-year-old. Can't. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. They're a child. Doesn't matter. No't. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. They're a child. Doesn't matter. No excuse ever, ever, ever, ever. Yeah, it's wild. It's just, you know, crazy. Just cover that. Cover our bases there.

Boils my blood. The only way that this kind of behavior will stop ultimately is if people get pissed off about it. is if people get pissed off about it and if people assist this like society chooses to condemn these bad actors which i feel like even after the me too movement we're still not fully there um yeah i mean it's a huge nowhere close it's a huge thing i mean there's so much embedded into all history and all aspects of art like picasso Michael Jackson. Like, they're just everywhere. These men... Bill Cosby. Lol. Yeah, we value this, like,

male genius, quote-unquote, or, like, look what they have to offer us as if that outweighs what has been taken from the victims of these people and what continues to be taken when they're not held accountable. Yeah. So watching this movie was an exercise.

In I don't know. A lot of things for me. It was just a really complicated viewing experience. Yeah. Can I add another layer to this. That is very different. But is another layer that could maybe help us. In speaking about this movie.

Potentially. So remember when I went and did a past lives reading that I told you guys about? And I also talked about it on the pod. Yeah, yeah. How could I forget? Well, one of my spirit guides in this life, apparently, is Ruth Gordon, the actress from this movie. You said your spirit guide was Ruth Gordon and I thought you you just meant you liked her she is a literal no she's she is like watching oh she's part of my team she watches

over my journey in this life oh my god wow so that's pretty cool yeah she's fucking awesome yeah she's on she's on my team hell i don't know anything about ruth gordon i'm gonna wikipedia her right look up. She's fucking cool. She's Maude in Harold and Maude, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Her also, she won an Oscar for this, right? Yes.

I was going to say, yeah. That's the only Oscar this movie won. It was nominated for Best Screenplay, and then she won Best Supporting Actress. Her acceptance speech is really cool. Ooh, I'm going to check it out funny and funny and she's cool that's the okay yeah so that's the thing is that i think what i'm what i kind of arrived at is i can try to appreciate the other people that were involved and while at the same time you know never forgetting that this director raped a 13 year old when he was 43.

Like, I feel like it's always like there's no moment where I'm watching it being like, wow, a perfect film. No problems with like it's always in the back of my mind. And that's just how my viewing experience went. Complicated. Also, I don't I wonder if it's OK that I blew up Ruth's spot as relates to me. I don't know how these things work. But anyway, thanks. Thank you, Ruth. I don't know. Thank you. Love you, Ruth. I love you. I really do. Oh boy, I don't know about you guys, but I need a cocktail. So let's get into cocktail hour. This week's cocktail is a rosemary gimlet. To make this cocktail you will need two ounces of gin, three quarters an ounce of fresh lime juice, and three quarters

an ounce of rosemary syrup. To make the rosemary syrup you'll just heat equal parts water and sugar in a small saucepan and add in some chopped fresh rosemary leaves. Boil it until the sugar is completely dissolved, and then strain out the rosemary leaves. Once you have that, you'll combine all the ingredients in a cocktail shaker with ice, and then strain into a chilled coupe glass, and garnish with a sprig of rosemary. Cheers. Um, okay, some trivia for for us let's do some trivia um um william castle who

is the film's producer he bought the rights to the book that it is based on and he wanted to direct it himself but then eventually was convinced to let roman polanski direct and he believes william castle believes that the film was cursed. Oh, I love this shit when horror movies are cursed. Someone afterwards got really bad gallstones, which he believed was related. Definitely demon related. And then someone else went into a coma and died. A little more compelling. And then obviously Sharon Tate was murdered a few years later,

Roman Polanski's wife. Like a year after it came out, right? Yeah, I think this came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 69, that's right. A thing that I like as the editor is that the rough cut of this movie, the Roman Polanski cut was over four hours long, and he didn't know how to deal with it. So he just let the editor do it.

He was like, you do whatever you need to do to make it like roughly two hours. And so I guess the editor did it all himself and then went on to direct the sequel. Did you guys know there's a sequel? I didn't. The editor directed the sequel? Yeah. Isn't that kind of fun? Oh, that is cool. Another interesting thing is that, so Mia Farrow was, I think, 21, 22 when she was making this movie-ish.

Wow, that's young. And she was married to Frank Sinatra. And he filed for divorce while they were filming this movie because it ran over schedule by five weeks and he told her to walk off the set and that he needed her for his movie or something. And she was like, no, I'm not done with this movie. And she wouldn't walk off this set. And so he filed for divorce. Very cool. That sounds like a fun relationship. Yeah. It was a quick one. I think. That sounds like a fun relationship. Yeah. It was a quick one.

I think they were only married for two years. Why do celebrities get married? Yeah. Why bother? Let's follow Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell's lead. Don't get married. Matthew Rhys and Keri Russell. Another Russell.

Unrelated. But, you know. They're doing it right. They're doing it right. That's all I got. So, let's watch the got so let's watch the trailer let's watch the trailer are you aware that the rathford head brother had an unpleasant reputation around the turn

of the century awful things happen in every apartment house she seemed so happy and full of she said wonderful things about you and your husband. This is for you from Roman and me. Sometimes I think they're too friendly and helpful. Guy, I have a pain. I'm so afraid the baby's gonna die. Pain like that is a warning that something isn't right. They're not setting foot in this apartment ever again. What about what's fair to me? There are plots against people, aren't there? Well, there's one against me and my baby.

Whoa. That looks terrifying. It was so unsettling. The movie is definitely unsettling. Ugh, okay. I'm so curious. I want to know everything that happens, obviously. I feel like, not to keep bringing up the Rowan Plansky thing,

but it is kind of a shame that there hasn't been more movies about pregnancy in this way. You know, I feel like pregnancy is rife for a lot of conversation and a lot of art, you know? But, like, why is it that Roman Polanski is the one who's made, like, one of the best movies about it? It's a big bummer. Not that it's actually about that, but it's like... It's a big bummer. Not that it's actually about that, but it's like It's a big bummer It's using a very female experience

And capitalizing on it so successfully And yeah, that's the thing is that it does it really well And it does feel like a kind of feminist movie in a way Which is just such a fucking crazy thing to have to deal with What a mindfuck Yeah, it's really wild Truly It is based on a book so we can

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And they are looking at an apartment in New York City in a building called the Bramford. And they kind of make reference to, I don't know if they're newlyweds per se, but they are kind of talking about how they want to have a baby soon. They're looking for a bigger place. They're sweet with each other. and they look at this apartment. The man who's showing them the apartment says, the previous tenant just died. It was an 86-year-old woman. She was in a coma for a while, and then she died,

and Rosemary says, she didn't die in the house, did she? And then she says, I guess it doesn't matter, and he says, no, no, she died in a hospital, nothing like that. And he's giving them a tour of this house, which is beautiful. Everything in this movie is very beautiful. The costumes, the set design. It's all lovely. Makes you want to be real rich.

Would be great. That sounds nice. It looks nice. that sounds nice it looks nice so he's while he's giving her giving them this tour um they see that the woman was growing a bunch of herbs there's like a herb garden like a ton of ton of herbs like a crazy amount and it's like kind of gross in there because it's all her stuff and so it like it's like old kind of dusty things and a little overcrowded, but you can tell it has potential. It's going to be nice.

It's got character. Oh, and she's saying things like, oh, this can be the baby's room and with some yellow and white wallpaper, like that'll really brighten this up. Like they got big plans. That's like my favorite John Mulaney. Sorry, my favorite John Mulaney line

in his standup when he's talking about him and his wife going to look at houses and the real estate agents keep being like, and here's a closet or a nursery. He's like, we're not having kids anytime soon. And they're

like, this is like the back alley where you can keep the trash cans or have a nursery. Or a nursery. It really makes me laugh. That's really funny. I feel like that's another horror trope is this idea of like,

so much potential. Ooh, look at us setting out. Everything ahead of us. Especially with real estate. Especially with real estate. So the guy giving them the tour notices at the end of a hallway, there's kind of a wardrobe pushed awkwardly in this space. And he says, that's odd.

There's a closet back there. Like, why is this wardrobe pressed up against this closet? Has Guy help him? They pull it away. They open the closet. It's just a closet. It has a vacuum cleaner and some old towels and stuff and they're like oh pretty weird we'll take it

so they decide they'll take it and then they go to to tell their previous landlord whose name is hutch who you can tell they've lived there for a while they love hutch hutch says like oh i considered telling him that you were horrible tenants just so i could keep you all to myself something like that something sweet like you can tell that they really like hutch and um then they they're having dinner with hutch and he says you know the bradford oh sorry excuse me bramford building has a lot of weird stories um of things that have happened there kind of a suspicious history there was a man named adrian mercado who was like a witch at one point that lived there and like was said to have raised Satan and they

found a dead body there and Can you be a male witch? Or are you a warlock? I think you're supposed to be a warlock. That was an oversight. Not to nitpick or anything. No, I think that's fair. I think you're supposed to be a warlock. And he says

there's like some sisters that died there or something. I can't remember. But he like says a few examples of weird sisters that died there something i can't remember but he like says a few examples of weird things that happened there and they're like okay who cares we don't care cut to the moving in happy and excited and it's like a little montage of them painting putting up wallpaper making it it really, really beautiful. Again, it is gorgeous in there. And then Rosemary's doing laundry in the basement. There's no laundry in the apartment, so you have to go down to this spooky, spooky basement. And there's a woman in there also doing her laundry. And she introduces herself to her like oh and you were new neighbors and she says sorry i thought

you were victoria vetri the actress and the woman says oh i get that a lot my name's terry the woman is played by victoria vetri the actress that's her actual name kind of cheeky so cute cute this movie is gonna be fun yeah it's fun i can tell um but she says terry uh terry genofrio is her name and she lives on whatever floor with a couple called the cast of vets and rosemary says oh um we just bought the the house or the apartment right next to you. They used to be one apartment. They used to be joined. And she says, oh, you bought the old woman's house.

Yeah, she used to grow a lot of herbs for the cast of vets. They used to use her herbs in all their cooking. And she says, actually, Mrs. Cast of Vets made me this good luck charm with some of the herbs. It's called tannis root, and it smells pretty weird, but it's a good, good luck charm and is really sweet of them. And they're really good to me, the castovets. You're going to love them. They basically took me in off the street. I was an addict. I'd probably be dead without them, basically. And then we go back later that day. Rosemary and Guy are kind of fooling around. They're happy. They're having a good time. They've got a new beautiful house and they're kind of making out in bed and they hear a weird chanting and they're like,

huh, kind of look around. where's that coming from what is that now this chanting where's this chanting coming is it is it singing chanting is it is it like sounds like monks it's like a group of people or like saying words it's a different language for sure it's not it's you can't understand what they're saying. Like a satanic Gregorian chant. You might say a satanic type chant. You might. So they

literally are just listening to it and then we cut straight to later that night. Okay. We don't care. We're rich. What's there to care about? Cuts to later that night. They are walking home. They have been out. So they're walking back to the Bramford.

And there's a big commotion outside of their building. There's police there. There's a big crowd gathered around. They kind of walk up and push through. The police are like, you can't go in here. And they push through anyways. They see Terry on the the floor her head smashed she has jumped from the seventh floor window whoa oh okay that's surprising um they're really

shocked rosemary's crying guys trying to comfort her they're kind of talking to the police like we know her this is crazy she just we were she was just talking to her earlier today, something like that. And then we meet the cast of vets, who is who she was living with. And they walk up, also returning from a night out, I suppose. And they approach and someone says, you know, brace yourself for some horrible news. Your lodger, Terry, has killed herself she is she is she's dead and they're like no no no that's impossible and the wife mrs castavets walks up to take she's like no it's not gonna be her like it can't be her that's impossible um but they come but she comes up mrs castavets takes a look at the body and sees that it is Terry.

She's upset. Her husband is now trying to comfort her. And Rosemary kind of reaches out to her and is kind to her and says, I feel the same way you do. I just spoke to her. She seemed totally happy. And she said she spoke really highly of you. I just want you to know that she was really, really grateful for you guys taking her in. And everyone's a little, you know, shocked.

So they, I guess, go back to their room. We cut to a later scene. They're back in their rooms. And Rosemary is shaken by the events of the evening. And as she's falling asleep asleep she starts to have nightmares um and we hear mrs castavette's voice but as she's kind of half dreaming rosemary is seeing it as coming from a nun's mouth and something that we learned is that she's like a four she grew up catholic she's not really catholic anymore but there's some layer here of her kind of having some some thoughts

about the church it doesn't get too into it i'm not gonna get too into it but i'll mention it i feel like there's a lot of details in this movie that I'll probably skip over because it's it's also a movie that I think probably gets more fun with each rewatch because it's really there's a lot. There's a lot of little nuggets in there. So, OK, so Rosemary's having these nightmares. And then the next day. Guy is out at work. By the way, I didn't mention Guy is an actor. She's told the realtor or whatever guy about it.

So we've gotten a little bit of info that he is an actor. He's not super successful. He's been in two plays and some commercials. And so they're like, oh, maybe we've seen you. Maybe we haven't. he hasn't had his like big break yet how are they affording this apartment i know i know that's like a big question i have family money family money family money when you don't know it's family money or money laundering but and like also if you can afford to be a struggling actor, you have family money. Yeah. So, okay.

So the next day, Guy is out somewhere, I guess, at an audition, perhaps. Rosemary is home alone. And Mrs. Castavets comes over. This is Ruth Gordon, by the way. So she comes in kind of loud, gregarious, and a little nosy. She's like kind of leading herself in room to room. She's like, oh my God, look what you've done with this room. Look what you've done with that room. Like, I love this. And she says, oh, how much was this chair? It's like an armchair. And Rosemary says, oh, I don't like about $200. And I was like, in 1968, this chair was $200.

I don't know what this was. That's still my budget for an armchair. So I just was like, they must be fucking rich. That's crazy. Honestly, that would take me out of the film momentarily. I would just be like, wait, we got to pause and think about it for a second. Also, I love that you have an armchair budget well i just know that i've like shopped for chairs before and anything over 200 i'm like i would never yeah furniture is expensive so so in this conversation

she's like my name's minnie my husband is roman um i'm so excited that you guys are next door neighbors. And oh, she says, she says, I really appreciate what you said about Terry. We were really close and it's really hard losing her. She was like a daughter to us. And like, do you have any kids? And Rosemary's like, not yet. And like, we're going to gonna once we get settled we're probably gonna start trying we'd like to have three kids and minnie is like oh yeah yeah you'll you'll be

a great mom you're gonna have lots of kids i just know it she says can i have you guys over for dinner tonight it's gonna be the first night that we're alone that terry's not there so it's gonna be a little weird so it'd be really nice to have someone else over for dinner and rosemary says of course of course you can count on us like i'll have to ask guy but you can count on us so then guy gets back from wherever he was and later that afternoon and rosemary says by the way the the cast of vets invited us to dinner the cast of vets invited us to dinner and i told them they could count on us and that would be there and he's like oh rosemary why did you do that once we like open this door it's gonna be tough to close and they're gonna be here all the time they live right next door to us they're like lonely old people they're basically gonna be like like we're going to be able to get rid of them type of thing.

He's not wrong. My instinct always is to never, never talk to strangers, but especially strangers you live in close proximity with. Yeah. Which I think I'm like the problem with the human race. Maybe we're just not as great at setting boundaries. And so I feel like maybe I'm like, I feel like I'm easy easy to walk all over so you just don't let give them the chance that's it that's that's what it is it's that i am a doormat so i don't even want let to let people like cross the thresholds because once they do like i'm personally fucked yeah i think that's a lot of people probably feel that same way

but rosemary kind of says the same thing to him. Like, this is our first night alone. And I told them they could count on us. And he kind of reluctantly agrees. He's like, okay, like, we'll go. That's fine. So they go. And now the four of them are just kind of getting to know each other.

They learn that Rosemary is an ex-Catholic. Roman's like, oh, organized religion's bullshit. And Minnie's like, Roman, you're making her uncomfortable. Like, stop it. They're asking Guy about his acting. And Roman says, like, you must have a big part coming up. And Guy says, I'm up for a few things, but who knows if I'll get them. And Roman says, I can't imagine you not getting them. Like,

I think you're going to get them. And then they split off. The women go off and the men go off together. So Rosemary and Minnie are doing the dishes. Guy and Roman or smoking their cigar or whatever. Minnie is asking Rosemary about her, if she has brothers and sisters and do they have kids? And we find out that Rosemary has, I think, 17 nieces and nephews. She's one of like seven kids. And she says, oh, yeah, we're a real fertile family. Wow. They finish up doing the dishes.

And then Rosemary's like, OK, it's time to go home. They finish up doing the dishes and then Rosemary's like, okay, it's time to go home. And she goes to grab Guy and Guy is talking to Roman and looking like really, really interested in what he's saying all of a sudden. And he kind of has to be torn away. He's like, oh, Roman is just telling me so much interesting stuff. And she's like, okay, well, we got to go home and go to bed. And so they do. They say their goodbyes.

So they do. They say their goodbyes. And when they get back to their apartment, Guy says, I'm going back over there tomorrow to hear the rest of what Roman had to say. It's really changed his tune. Suspicious. Does it feel suspicious? Yeah, it sounds suspicious. Yeah, it's suspicious. And Rosemary's like, what? I didn't think you would want to do that. And he's like, well, you don't have to come with me.

I can go alone. And she's like, yeah, I think I don't think I will go with you. Like, that doesn't sound fun to me. So the next day, while Guy is over at his new best friend Roman's house, Minnie pops in to visit Rosemary. at his new best friend Roman's house. Minnie pops in to visit Rosemary and she has a friend with her and they come in and plop down on the couch and make themselves comfortable.

They pull out their knitting. They about to start. Oh my God. So they're really getting comfortable. They're really getting comfortable. They pull out their knitting and Minnie pulls out a gift. She says, I wanted to give you this gift this is from me and roman and rosemary unwraps it and it is the necklace that terry was wearing that has the

the urban side of it and she says it's called Tannis Root and it smells weird, but it's good luck. It's a good luck charm. Then later that day, Guy is back from Romans and the phone rings. Guy answers it and you hear him from the other room being like, what? Oh my God. Oh my God, that's horrible. Oh, well, thank you for letting me know and rosemary comes in like what what happened and he says the guy that got the part that i was up for woke up blind this morning and so now i have the part oh my That's insane. Does that happen to people? I hope not. I don't need to add that to the list of things to be totally freaked out about.

Yeah, no, thank you. Just wake up and you're completely blind. No, thank you. I feel like there is some suspicious activity that might have happened surrounding this blindness. There certainly could be. There could be. From maybe a male witch? Oh. A certain male witch. Oh. A certain male witch, maybe.

In this time also, I think Rosemary's feeling a little neglected. She's wanting to start trying to have a baby. And Guy's kind of out of the house a lot. Now he's at Roman's house and he's just she she's not feeling like a priority so she goes over to hutch to see hutch her friend hutch who's kind of her own oh yeah um close friend and she's chatting with him and just tells him that you know she's he's so preoccupied guy is so preoccupied she starts crying to him she's stressed we see that she's stressed

and then they go for a little walk and Hutch says you didn't tell me there was another suicide at this building like I'm telling you this building is crazy and she's like oh well it was she was she was an addict and you know the cast of vets rehabilitated her.

And he says, I guess they didn't rehabilitate her successfully. And then we go back to she gets home, and Guy has a big bouquet of flowers, and he's like, let's make a baby. Let's do it. I'm so sorry I've been not here for you and I've been so focused on work and my new weird friendship I've been absent and

I'm sorry and he says look I even did the math and he like goes to the calendar and he's like I know that like this is your like fertile window basically and he's like i know that like this is your like fertile window basically and she's like she thinks it's so sweet so they have a big romantic date night they light the fireplace they cook dinner they've got their cocktails and then as they're about to have their dinner or finishing up their dinner there's buzz, you hear the buzzer and you hear

Minnie on the other side of the door like, hello. Guy is like, come on, not tonight. Gets up, goes to get it. And you hear them kind of talking. You don't hear what they're saying. We stay with Rosemary. And she's like, not tonight. Don't let them in. Don't let them in. Please. And then you hear that.'s like okay bye like see you later and guy closes the door she's like phew a big phew moment and he comes back with two chocolate mousse cakes and he's like oh she just brought us some dessert and so they they start eating the dessert and rosemary says it kind of tastes weird there's an under taste and he's like shoveling his down he's like there's no under taste what are you talking about it's like it's so under taste she says under taste that's a fun term i

wrote it down because there's an under taste so guy is like completely bewitched, if you will, at this point, I'd say. It's seeming like it anyway. Perhaps. So Rosemary is kind of refusing to eat hers. And then Guy's starting to get pissed off about it. He's like, oh, you're like too good for the moose that they made. Very weird fight to pick. Yeah, it's like he's picking a fight.

And I think she is like, okay, I guess I'll make this concession to not ruin this evening. So he gets she asked him to, I don't know, go get another bottle of wine or something. So he leaves the table and she dumps the moose in her napkin to make it look like she's eaten it all. She's just she's had some of it. But yeah, so she dumps the rest. He gets back. He sees that it's empty. And he's like, oh, you're like, thanks for eating it. Like, he's really happy that she ate it. Thanks for eating it. So then they're kind of cleaning up, getting ready for bed. They want to have sex. They want to make a baby. And as she's cleaning, she starts kind of stumbling around. And she's looking confused.

And Guy looks at her and is like, are you okay? And she kind of trips and hits the wall like she is not sober. Like she's looking fucked up. And so he scoops her up and takes her to the bed and he's like oh my god like i guess you can't have cocktails and wine it's like gotta be one or the other like you're pretty drunk and she's like confused doesn't know what's happening she's like but we still had to have sex like we had to have the we gotta make the baby and he's like oh it's okay like we can do it tomorrow like and then she's kind of dipping in and out of consciousness we're getting like some of the we see some of the dream from before happening and

then some of a new dream and then she goes like full dreaming and it's she's on a yacht with a bunch of people and then someone takes her clothes off or she's all of a sudden naked and then she's led below deck and there's a ton of naked people including her husband including the cast of vets. And then just like all these other old people kind of gathered around the bed. She gets laid down onto the bed naked. They paint on her body with red markings. Then this creepy motherfucker comes out and he looks like he looks actually like old Greg. I don't know if you guys have seen the sketch old Greg from Mighty Boosh, but he's like a sea monster. But he's supposed to look very scary.

But I just thought he looked like old Greg. But he basically is like scaly and has like long, sharp fingernails. And he runs and oh, the important thing is he has yellow eyes with like cat pupils, like vertical pupils. He kind of starts running his his like little claws along her, scratching her. Everyone's kind of chanting. She doesn't know what's going on. She's kind of saying some gibberish type things. Like she's trying to talk about the moose that she ate,

but she's instead saying mice. Like I got bit by a mouse, I got bit by a mouse. Like she's kind of saying the wrong thing, doesn't know what's happening. And then as he's like penetrating her, she like kind of her eyes open really wide and she's like, this isn't a dream. This is happening for real. And then blacks out and wakes up the next morning and she's like, okay guess it was a dream wakes up next to guy he gets out of bed and then as she's getting up she sees she has scratches all over her body and and before she even says anything guy's like i already cut my nails i already cut my nails

he's like don't be mad and she says did we have sex and he says he says yeah i didn't want to miss the window and she was like but i was passed out and he's like yeah it was kind of hot ew what the fuck he says in a necrophilia type way it's a literal line out of his mouth he says the word necrophilia that's crazy that that's that he could get away with saying that. Right. Ever. And she says, I dreamed someone was raping me like a monster, like a monster was raping me. And he's like, gee, thanks.

Like, it was just me, your husband raping you. Oh, yeah. That's so offensive to him. Great compliment, honey. oh yeah that's so offensive to him great compliment honey and yeah he says yeah i didn't want to miss the fertile window and i was drunk too give me a break pretty cool um but her kind of confusion and anger is quickly um erased by she's pregnant and she's so excited about being pregnant that she kind of forgets about all that guy is really excited and says we gotta tell mini and roman and she's like right away like usually wait to tell people right he's like oh i know but they know that we're trying and

they'd be so excited so she's like okay yeah okay you can tell them so he goes over there and then all three of them burst back in with a bottle of wine they're like congratulations we're so happy for you and minnie says who's your gynecologist and she says i'm going to a doctor named Dr. Hill. And Minnie says, oh, we're friends with a gynecologist named Dr. Saperstein. He is the absolute best. And Guy's like, oh, I've heard of him. He's like famous. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like amazing. And he's usually really, really expensive. But since we're close friends with him, we could maybe get you in and you wouldn't have to pay crazy rates. And she's like, oh, but what about Dr. Hill?stein, who immediately tells her, rule number one, don't read any books. Okay. Okay. This guy is the best.

Rule number two, don't talk to your friends. No two pregnancies are the same. Comparing with your friends is only going to stress you out. So don't read books. Don't talk to your friends. Stop taking the pills that Dr. Hill prescribed you. I'm going to give a recipe to Minnie and she'll make you a drink that you can drink each morning that'll have all the vitamins and minerals you need. The pills are no good. We're going to do this all natural. Kind of lures her in with that. Oh my God. Do you think people really fall for natural. Kind of lures her in with that. Oh, my God. Do you think people really fall for this, even in the 60s? I guess so. I guess, would I fall for this?

I don't know. I don't know. This seems so crazy. It's very crazy, but she's very excited. And, guys, just you wait. The gaslighting in this movie. Oh, no. I'm understanding more and more with each passing

detail why in particular the history of this film maker made this harder to watch um so okay so she's met with her new gynecologist dr sapristine and then uh before she comes home she gets her famous haircut we know know the Mia Farrow real short. It's a great haircut. She looks amazing. By the way. Amazing. She is amazing in this.

Her first haircut was great. This haircut's great. Her bone structure is flawless. It's just like really, really captivated by her. She's fantastic. But so she gets this haircut comes home kind of showing it off to guy she's like i went to vidal sass soon she's proud of my god she's proud of it she likes it and guy immediately is like you look disgusting

what oh my god also when i was watching trailer, I kind of assumed that her haircut was like insania, like she was insane. And so she cut all her hair off. I thought her hair was going to be like falling out. Yeah. Or something like that. I mean, even though it's like a perfect haircut. I was like, her hair fell out to get this perfect haircut. Not that it looks bad at all.

It's more like it felt like the tone changed when her hair changed. Maybe it's, I mean, it sounds like it's used sort of as an example for him to just like prove that he's an asshole. But when stuff like that happens, I often wonder is like, did Mia Farrow just get a haircut? And they're like, oh, fuck. Right. Oh, fuck.

She got a haircut. I'm sure there's an answer to this question. And I just don't know. So sorry. Sorry. She's also starting to have a sharp pain in her stomach and she's complaining to Guy and Guy's like, like, oh, my God, you better go to Dr. Saperstein, book another appointment, go in right away. So she goes into Dr.

Saperstein and she says, she says, I'm i'm having a lot of pain i'm nervous that it might be an ectopic pregnancy and he says what did i tell you sounds like you've been reading books oh my god he gets mad at her and she says oh it was just right in front of me and i just i just had to my eyes just glanced at words and my brain took them in. I didn't mean to. And he says, promise me you'll go home and throw that book right in the trash. What?

Also, like, an ectopic pregnancy will kill you. Yeah, it's so dangerous. It's so bad. Like, the least he could do is be like, no. Also, don't read books. No, he's like, see, all it did was stress you out. It's not an ectopic pregnancy. You're fine.

The pain stressed her out. The pain is normal. It'll go away. So she's starting to kind of look not great. Her eyes are getting a little sunken. She's losing weight, not gaining weight. She's really pale. She comes home and pulls a steak out of the fridge, a raw steak,

and throws it in the frying pan for five seconds tops. She's just giving it a little and then she eats it. And then she calls Hutch to come over. Hutch comes over. He seems really concerned. He's like, how much weight have you lost like she's like oh well i didn't tell you but i'm pregnant and he's like pregnant women don't lose weight pregnant women gain weight like this is crazy what do you mean are there is there a chemistry between them uh no hutch is is older hutch is probably in his 50s or 60s okay so just as they're kind of sitting down to catch up roman knocks on the door and comes in and she invites him in she's like oh my friend is here you come in to meet him and they sit down and she's wearing the the tannis root good luck charm that they gave her

and hutch is like what is that um like it has a smell like what is that and she's like oh it's tannis root roman sitting there kind of looking nervous he's like oh tannis root yeah like have you not heard of it and hutch is like no i've not are you sure you don't mean anise like i've never heard of that and she's like no, no, yeah, it's Tannis. It's a good luck herb. And he's like, that's really weird. I've literally never heard of that. And he's a man, so he's allowed to read books.

Exactly. And so him and Roman are kind of butting heads a bit, kind of just having this like little disagreements on things. And Roman is looking displeased and then Guy comes home and Roman gets up to leave he's like all right I'll leave you three to catch up or whatever and then Hutch has to leave I guess and so Guy runs to go get his coat and like gets to the coat closet first and he's's like, oh, this must be your coat. It's not my coat. So this must be your coat.

And Hutch is like, yeah, thanks. I'm missing a glove, though, actually. Have you is my did you see my glove? And he's like, no, no glove here. I don't know. And he's like, oh, I guess I must have left it at work at work or whatever. And he's like, oh, I guess I must have left it at work or whatever. And somewhere in here, he's like, Rosemary, I'm going to look into this Tannis root. Oh, God.

Hutch is not long for this world, is he? I'm scared. And so that night, Rosemary's in bed. The phone rings. And it's Hutch. And he says, I need to see you. Can we meet tomorrow at 11 a.m.? Hutch is not going to make that meeting.

I have something really important I need to talk to you about. Say it on the phone. Say it on the phone. Say it on the phone. Don't wait. So she's like, yeah, I'll see you at 11 a.m. tomorrow morning. No problem. That's a guarantee.

And I will see you. And I know that it's true. So she goes to meet him. She's sitting at their meeting spot, which is like at the foot of a Christmas tree. So we've got some indicator of like what time of year it is. The baby, by

the way, is due in June. And he doesn't show up to their meeting. So she gets, she finds a phone booth and calls and gets his friend answering his phone. And she says, like, I'm really sorry to tell you Hutch is in a coma. I don't we don't know what happened. But he's has something to do with that. He's not responsive and he's in a coma and rosemary is very distressed and still in pain every day and so this is kind of like time is passing we're

seeing she's still in pain then we go to um a new year's eve celebration they're celebrating at the Castavets and it's going to be 1966. And, you know, she's just in a bad mood. She's in a lot of pain. But I guess this is just to show that time is passing and they're only hanging out with the Castavets and like like old people and so then after this new year's party rosemary's like let's have a party with young people nobody under 60 is allowed at this party and guy is like like what i'm drawing a hard line at 60. guy is like what like the cast of vets would love to come and she's like i don't care they're not invited and they're not coming so she starts kind of um planning this party and while she's like i don't know making the food or something minnie's like popping in being like are you sure that i can't

help you tonight um by the way this whole time minnie is making her these little drinks with all the herbs every single day that she's drinking and so minnie has like brought over the drink and she's like well at least drink your drink while i'm here and she's like no no no i'll drink it later don't worry i'm like i can't drink while i'm cooking like i need to focus on my cooking i'll have it afterwards and she's like no no drink it now she's like i no, no, no, drink it now. She's like, I'll drink it later. Get out. And like pushes her out. And so she leaves. And then Rosemary's alone. And she pours out that drink. Yes.

Okay. Okay. Also, sorry. There's a part that I skipped. I think it's at New Year's Eve. After the party, she goes home and eats raw liver. And this is something that Mia Farrow did for real. No, poor Mia Farrow, no.

And she did several takes. No, I hate that. You know how I feel about this. Oh, there's another actor rights thing coming up, Emily, that you're not going to like. Okay. So, okay. So now we're at her party that she's planned with her actual

friends. And they didn't even know she was pregnant. I guess she must be about three months pregnant at this point. If it's just after New Year's and it's due in June. So she's like three to four months pregnant and all her friends are there they're having fun they're like oh my god congratulations i can't

believe you kept this a secret we're all so happy for you and then someone it like once they get her alone in a room is like you look like not good and she's like thank you for that like extreme understatement like i feel like absolute shit she starts crying she's like i thank you for that extreme understatement. I feel like absolute shit. She starts crying. She's like, I'm in pain every day. I don't know what to do. And they're all like, what? You're in pain every day?

What does your doctor say? And he says it's normal. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is not normal. Guy tries to come in and... Women supporting women. You love to women supporting women you love to see it you love to see it but guy tries to like insert him he like shoo them all out and they're like no no no you get out they lock literally lock him out of the room and he's like banging at the door

like rosemary like it's fine it's fine and they're like you need to get a second opinion like you should not be in pain every day that's crazy you also look like shit yeah like this is not normal then everybody leaves that night at the end of the party and she like says to guy she's like having gonna stand up to guy and she's saying i'm gonna go to and i'm gonna go back to Dr. Hill I need a second opinion and he's like Dr. Saperstein is the most expensive doctor what you want me to pay for two you to see two separate doctors like absolutely not and she's like I don't care what you say like I'm going to this doctor and they're like in this big fight and just as she like, I'm fucking doing it and I don't care. The pain goes away. She's like, I don't, I don't feel any pain. It stopped. The pain stopped. And then she feels the kicking and she says, come here, come here, come here. I can feel him kicking.

And guy comes up and they have this really beautiful moment where she's like, oh my God, thank God the pain is, the pain is over God the pain is over and the baby is alive. And so then we get a fun montage where she's like, cool, back to normal, drinking her drinks every day. She's wearing her good luck charm. She's seeing Dr. Saperstein. She didn't need a second opinion. The baby's healthy and she's healthy. She's getting big and looking good. Now she's got her glow. She's looking healthy. And so then there's a time jump, obviously, where now she's three weeks out of the due date and she's got her little suitcase packed for the hospital. And as she's setting that by the door, like, ooh, I'm so excited. The baby's almost here. She gets a phone

call. Hutch has died. And she says, oh, I feel so guilty. I didn't even think about him this whole time. Like, things have been so good I didn't even think to go and visit him or anything. What? Which is, yeah, that's pretty rude. That's really rude.

She's like, oh, I forgot about my only friend who's in a coma. Oh my god, my friend who's in a coma when he came. Was he supposed to meet me? I went into a coma. My friend who called me with important news went into a coma. I forgot. I've just been so preoccupied for six months. I hate when that happens.

Oh, I hate it. But she does find the time to go to his funeral. for six months. I hate when that happens. I hate it. But she does find the time to go to his funeral and as they're all leaving the funeral, a woman pulls her aside and gives her a wrapped book and she says, you know,

Hutch left this with the people at the hospital. He said, make sure that Rosemary gets this. He was, you know, not all there in the end, so I don't know if it makes sense, but he said to tell you that the name is an anagram. And she says the name of the book. And the woman's like, I don't know.

I don't know. He wasn't like totally coherent. That's just what he said. She gets home, opens the book, and it is called All of Them Witches. It's a history of witchcraft type book and it has

I figured out the anagram. No fucking way. You did? What is it? I don't know. Maybe. What is it? Maybe I did. I don't remember. I want to know what you think me too what's it called what is it

Tannis okay this one that one's Satan right I wanted I was kind of thinking that am I the biggest idiot in the world for thinking I could have figured that out no I thought you unscrambled all of them witches

in three seconds. Oh, God, no. Because it's the name of the book. That is an anagram. Oh, okay. But Tannis is also an anagram, right? I thought that too, but it's not. It's spelled T-A-N-N-I-S.

Damn. But yes, I thought the same thing. At around this point, I was tannis satan because it seems like it should be right all of them witches okay give me a minute no i'm just kidding that's why i was so shocked i was like no fucking way yeah all this time i've been a mega genius. But so she pulls out some scrabble tiles and starts kind of trying to rearrange them. Like, what is this? She is smart. She is smart.

But it's all kind of not making sense. She kind of thumbs through the book first and looks at a few pages. There are some dog-eared pages. There's some underlined stuff and we see the name that he had said earlier which is adrian mercado which is the person he said at the bramford hotel or the building that they lived in that like raised satan and it like says his son's name is i believe steven merc Mercado. And that's underlined. And the dog-eared page is like, witches, I don't know, do this and that. And so she's trying to unscramble all of them witches.

She can't quite figure it out. None of it's making sense. And she then kind of cast it aside. And she's like, oh, I guess he was just out of it at the end. And it doesn't actually mean anything. And then she's like, well, hold on a second. And she looks, she pulls out the letters for Stephen Mercado. what he had said was the name is an anagram. So she's like, maybe not the name of the book, maybe the name that he underlined. So she starts kind of rearranging these letters and they rearrange to Roman Castavet.

Oh, there it is. He is the one who raised Satan. Well, he is the son of the one that raised Satan. Son of the guy that raised Satan. Yes. Yep, yep, yep, yep. So Guy gets home. Rosemary's like, Roman is actually the son of this guy who is a Satanist and who raised Satan.

And they're all witches. They're witches. And Guy is, of course, like, okay, like, this is way too much stress for you and the baby. Like, what are you thinking like you don't need to be like give me the book let me take this away from you like this is you need to just like take a nap basically so she's like now suspicious of everyone around her she's suspicious of her husband i think a little bit, yeah. She's starting to be not sure. But so she is kind of dazed looking and goes to walk to a bookstore to go get another witchcraft book.

She wants to learn more about what witches are all about. And while she's walking, she walks into traffic, New York traffic, like five lane traffic. All these cars like slamming on their brakes to not hit her. She's like super pregnant. This was unfortunately real. Roman Polanski had Mia Farrow just walk into New York City traffic. And he said, no one will hit a pregnant woman. What?

And he had to be the cameraman in this because everyone else refused to do it oh my god it's so crazy when i know we said we were really going to talk about this much more for the rest of the episode but when it's like oh this person who committed a terrible atrocity oh yeah they were awful like oh guess what this person sucked like not surprised like not out of character in fact completely within his character because he's a nightmare yeah so very cool loving this narrative 100 yeah i was very upset to read that yikes um but okay so she she makes it to the bookstore. She buys some more witchcraft books, and she's kind of reading them. You know, we're getting a few little passages here and there, like a group of witches is called a coven.

And sometimes if they have an item from someone, they can curse someone with just one of their personal items. Like a glove? Like a glove like a glove exactly and so she's really freaked out and now she's convinced my neighbors are witches they want my baby they're gonna sacrifice my baby and so she's now like okay i gotta go talk to my one and only confidant, Dr. Saperstein. No! Oh, why is she smart enough to put all this together, but then miss? That's how she found this doctor! He's making the witch give her drinks! I don't know.

She hasn't quite put that part together yet, I guess. So she's like, she grabs her suitcase and she's like, I'm fucking leaving. And she goes in, she talks to the receptionist. She's like, I need to see the doctor. And she's like sitting in the lobby waiting. Then the receptionist says to her, what's that smell? And she's like, oh, it's like a new perfume I'm wearing. And she says, oh, it's much better than the last thing, the last smell, the last perfume you had or whatever.

And she's like, oh, that wasn't a perfume. That was a root. It was like a good luck charm, but I threw it away. Oh, sorry. And when she's like dazed walking across the street, she throws away the necklace. So she's like, yeah, no, I threw that away. She's like, oh, thank God. That smelled really bad.

Hopefully the doctor follows your lead and throws his away too and she's like oh fuck and she's like yes receptionist yes and so then Rosemary's like also what a crazy conversation to have to be like oh you used to smell

bad but now you smell good anyway looks like you're very pregnant and probably sensitive glad you don't stink anymore oh but thank god she did no but thank god oh but thank god she's rude thank god she's um so rosemary runs downstairs with her suitcase and goes into a phone booth and she has dr hill's numbers so she's like i gotta go to a different booth and she has Dr. Hill's numbers. So she's like, I got to go to a different doctor. I'm calling Dr. Hill. She calls the receptionist answers and she's like, I need to speak to Dr. Hill. I need to see him tonight. And she's like, oh, he's not even here. And she's like, well, call him and have him call me back right now. I'm in a phone booth. Here's the phone number.

I need to speak to him literally right now. Like it's an emergency. Have him call me right now. A lot of this movie I was stressed about the lack of cell phones. What a different time. Cell phones would definitely be useful. Google would also be useful in this moment. Yeah, but it makes for good tension building because everything

is stressful. I mean, I guess nowadays in horror movies slash bad situations it's like well your phone died yeah true so there's also that so she's now in the phone booth um waiting really panicking she's really stressed it's also really hot outside so she's like dripping sweat which i i liked that because i feel like usually in stressful things in most movies, it's raining. Or very cold. Yeah, like really cold.

And I kind of liked that it was like incredibly hot. And she's just dripping with sweat. So she's in this phone booth now dripping with sweat waiting for the phone to come back. A woman is now waiting to use the phone after her. So she like picks up the phone, pretend picks up and is like oh ha ha ha like what uh ha ha like a fake conversation while holding down the receiver to in case it rings and then it does ring and it's just the receptionist again and she's like did i get your name right and she's like yes yes yes just have him call me have him call me hangs it up um, pretends to talk again, calls back one more time. Now it's finally Dr. Hill. And she's like, Dr. Hill, my name is Rosemary.

I came in, you know, nine months ago. And he says like, oh, I thought you like moved to California. Your husband said you moved to California. She's like, no, no, no. Like he was lying. And my doctor is lying to me too. And I just desperately need a second opinion. Please, can you fit me in tonight? I need to see you tonight. And as she's saying this, a big man comes and stands in front of the phone booth door, kind of blocking her exit. And she doesn't see it for her back is to it. And Dr. Hill agrees. He's like, okay, okay, fine. Like, I'll meet you at my office at eight. She's like, okay, thank you so much. And as she turns around and sees the man, she's like super, super scared. And he kind of looks like Dr. Saperstein from behind. And then he turns around and it's just a friendly stranger and

he like gives her a big nice smile and like moves out of the way for her to move out of the way but like tensions are so high it's so high at this point that you're just so stressed about this guy outside of the phone booth men are so scary they really are the scariest things of all aren't they like a man standing there and i truly truly was like, oh, fuck. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, God. Worst case scenario.

A man. A man. A man. Run. A big man. Okay. So she goes to Dr. Hill's office and she just like word vomits everything in a really crazy way that obviously she looks crazy. Like she's like, I found out that like my neighbors are witches and my husband

like must have made some sort of deal with them to become a famous actor. And now he's like, I guess a witch too. And they want to sacrifice my baby to Satan and obviously looks like completely insane. And Dr. Hill is kind of like, okay, okay. And she's like, I know I sound crazy. I know I sound crazy. But like, there's a plot against me. There's a plot against me and my baby. And like, sometimes there's plots against people, right? Like sometimes that happens. And I'm telling you, like right now is one of those times. And he's kind of like, um, okay, I'm gonna, you lay down and i'm gonna like i guess call the police or something i don't know i can't remember what he says but he's like you lay down i'll come in

and get you i wish that had been what he said i guess uh police or something i was like what do you do in this situation lay down i don't know yeah so he like puts her in a little um uh room with a bed and he's like just rest here for a bit like i'll come get you and she's feeling so relieved and so happy oh no finally i can like trust somebody oh god and then dr hill opens the door and in comes dr saperstein and guy oh god oh god um they basically like grab her and they're like don't make a scene i think they say don't make a scene or we'll call basically the mental hospital and you'll like easily go to a mental asylum so just come with us and like don't make a big thing of it so she's kind of like in shock walking with them uh they take her back to the Bramford building. And the door guy greets them.

And he's like, oh, nice to see you guys. And she intentionally dumps the contents of her purse out on the ground so that all of them kind of lean to help her. And as they're all down, she darts to the elevator, gets in, closes it before them, and goes up to her. They live on the seventh floor. So she gets up there first. She beats them all there, locks the door, like deadbolts them out, puts the chain on. They can't get in.

She calls her friend. Her friend doesn't answer, but the babysitter answers. And she's like, have her call me as soon as she gets back. And the babysitter answers and she's like have her call me like as soon as she gets back and the babysitter's like okay yeah sure and as she's on the phone with the babysitter we see in the background two other mystery men tiptoeing in the background from like room in her apartment from another room and so then she hangs up the phone and she's like kind of standing there like breathing, freaking out. And she hears more footsteps.

And in walks her husband, Dr. Saperstein, Minnie, Roman, like everybody is there. And they're like, honey, or guys like, honey, honey, like, calm down. It's okay. Also, sorry, a huge missed detail here. She starts going into labor. She starts feeling contractions. Oh, God. So now she's having contractions.

She is surrounded by all these people that she believes are witches. And they kind of pin her down. And Dr. Saperstein comes in with like a shot. He's like, just something to calm your nerves. Like you're freaking out. Like we need to sedate you. Inject her with that. And she's like starting to lose consciousness and as she loses consciousness

um dr saperstein feels her belly and is like oh my god she's in labor now and like we need to like prepare for delivery and so she's like losing consciousness and she's like no like it wasn't supposed to be like this it wasn't supposed to be like this and she's saying like i'm sorry to my to my baby like i'm so sorry this is not how i wanted it to be this is not how i wanted to be and then she loses consciousness oh no that's awful god a true nightmare i hate this so she wakes up the next morning it's daytime guy is at the foot of the bed smiling at her and she says what happened like is everything okay is the baby okay and he says the baby's fine he's healthy it's a boy she's super super out of it

still like drugged kind of dipping in and out being like okay that's good that's good and then kind of immediately falls back asleep wakes back up up a while later. There's a different person there. The woman that was like knitting at her house in her house earlier, one of Minnie's friends. And she says like, where is my baby? Like, I haven't seen my baby yet. Yeah. Where's my baby? The woman's like, okay, let me go find Dr. Saperstein. Like, I'll bring him back in here. Hold on. And goes and gets Dr. Saperstein. Like, I'll bring him back in here. Hold on. And goes and gets Dr. Saperstein. Dr. Saperstein comes in with Guy.

And Dr. Saperstein says, there is a complication and the baby is dead. And she freaks out. And she's screaming, you're witches. You're lying. You're lying. You're all witches.

So they sedate her again. Oh, my God. And now she's kind of like there's a few back and forth of her waking up. They're waking up and feeding her. She's getting like a little tray with a pill, food and a breast pump. So she can pump her breast milk and dump it into a cup. And so they then take the tray when she's done. And we see her go through this a few times.

She's obviously devastated and is kind of just numb, kind of taking her pill, pumping her breast milk, eating her food, going back to sleep. Jesus, that is awful uh and then one day in this cycle she hears a baby crying from another room and she's like gets up and she's like there's and then another one of the like old women comes in a different woman with her tray and she's like what are you doing up and she's like can you hear that baby crying and the woman's like i don't hear anything like what are you talking about gaslighting all over the place it's off the charts it's off the charts um but so then she's like okay she gets back into bed she gives gives her the tray um she's like take your. She gets back into bed. She gives her the tray.

She's like, take your pill. And she grabs the pill. And then while the lady's not looking, she puts it into a little thing in the corner. She stashes it. She's not taking that pill. Time goes by. And we see that she has now stashed quite a few pills. And it's now back to the knitting woman at her side.

And she asks her, what do you do with the breast milk and she says we just dump it and she's like oh okay and then as she's taking her tray she's like oh wait wait a second and she has her dirty dish that wasn't on the tray so she puts her dirty spoon in the breast milk and the woman goes no no no no don't do that and she's like why not and she's like it's just a little messy is all i don't know it's just a little messy they are feeding that goddamn baby in a different room her husband is like not here for any of this by the way there's like one moment where he's by her bed and he's like smiling and happy and he's like we'll try again like don't worry it's gonna be fine and he's like smiling and happy. And he's like, we'll try again. Like, don't worry.

It's going to be fine. So, okay. So now she's alone and she gets up. She, so the closet that was, had the wardrobe in front of it in the beginning of the movie is the way that their houses used to be connected.

So the neighbor's house, basically a hallway into their house. So she kind of pries into Minnie's house, Minnie's house, Minnie and neighbor's house basically a hallway into their house so she kind of pries into minnie's house minnie's house minnie and roman's house yes and so she kind of pries it open she grabs a huge knife fuck yeah and she goes in to see what's up walks in here as she's walking in she's hearing all this chattering there There's a lot of people here. And walks in and everybody's there. And they're all gathered.

Including her husband. Including her husband. And they're all gathered around a big black bassinet. Like a real spooky looking bassinet. Is that what they're called? Like one a devil baby would live in? That's exactly right. Like a steampunk bassinet. Is that what they're called? Like one of devil baby ones live in? That's exactly right. Like a, like a steampunk bassinet.

Um, and she slowly walks in. They all kind of start noticing her and they're all like, Oh fuck. They don't know what to do. And she approaches the bassinet, pulls back the little curtain of the crib, and looks in and just starts screaming and says,

what did you do to his eyes? And Roman says, he has his father's eyes. And she says, Guy's eyes are normal. What are you talking about? These are like reptile eyes. He says,

Guy's not his father. Satan is his father he just says it he just comes out and says it that's right no more gaslighting for you lady you're just getting it straight now is up you had satan's baby and we stole him from you um roman kind of stands up and says his name is is Adrian and he is the prophesied one. He will seek revenge for all of us. The son, like Satan came up from below and had one son who will fulfill the prophecy,

praise Adrian, hail Satan. And then everyone starts chanting, hail Satan. And she's like, I fucking knew it. You're all witches. I was right. And so she kind of like collapses onto a chair in shock. Guy kneels down next to her and he's like, honey, if you had had a baby and lost it, what would be different from like that would be a normal thing that happens to people and what's really all that different from what's happening now like that's kind of honestly what's the difference you tell me he says it's the same you tell me what the difference is i'm not

seeing it and he says and and it's pretty much the same and look how much we get in return. And she spits in his face, which I like. Okay, good, good. What do they get in return? He has a fancy job? He's had his big break, I guess, as an actor. They were already rich. They already had a very nice life.

Roman comes up to her afterwards and is kind of like, you know, this is done and this is this is what it is, basically. And he was like, you can either get on board with it or not. What a crazy thing to say to the mother of Satan's child. And she's like shaking and scared and knitting lady. The baby is like really crying now at this point then have we seen the baby or just her no we don't see the baby um as the baby's crying we look over and the knitting

lady is rocking the crib like so fast and crazy like like bounce bounce like it's like insane and i hate this roman says like, like, they're too old. They, like, don't know what they're doing. Like, the baby needs his mother. So she, like, slowly walks up and she's like, you're rocking him too fast. You're rocking him too fast. That's why he's crying. And she's like, stay back.

Because they obviously don't trust her around the baby because she's not a Satanist. She's not a witch. She's not a fan of what's happened here. But Roman is like, no, like, let her do it. Rosemary walks up, starts kind of normal rocking the crib like a normal human person would, slowly.

I love that the rationale there is like, that lady's too old. She just doesn't know. She rocks the baby really fast. I do say that. They're too old. She's too old. She doesn't know. And then Rosemary kind of looks hatefully at Roman and says, you're trying to get me to be his mother. And Roman says, aren't you his mother? And then baby stops crying and we see her looking at it and kind of slowly have an affectionate smile.

And that's the end of the movie okay so is the implication here that she on her own became um like moved by this organization and her own baby you know what i mean like or was she'd slip some drug at some point it's more just like maybe motherhood just like kind of the connection. Yeah, the power of this being her baby. It's such a powerful. Right. The connection you would have to your baby kind of whether or not it was the son of Satan.

Yeah, I was real ready for her to kill that baby. I was like, yeah, yeah. I thought she was going to stab it with a big knife. Bring that baby's neck. That would have been honestly amazing. They probably wouldn't have released that movie, though, in 1968 or whenever this was. Probably not. That's fair.

That's a good point. So is Rosemary's Baby 2 any good? I don't know. I'd love to see it. It does exist. The toddler years? Oh, some things that I wanted to circle back to that i wrote down the due date was in june 1966 which is 666 kind of fun and the first dream that rosemary has

i only got this today when i was re going back over it to take notes where she's hearing Minnie's voice through the nun's mouth. What she's saying is I told you not to tell her beforehand. I knew she wasn't going to want to do it. And it's right after Terry commits suicide. I think they had proposed this to her right before. terry decided to kill herself instead of be the mother of the son of satan so the idea is that terry was their first hope and then this young couple moved in and they're like oh okay yeah and i think there's probably a lot of other like kind of fun little clues and stuff that maybe i didn't catch the first round. It is now that I've heard about this movie and I know the details, it is more deeply infuriating that the director was a person who then went on to very successfully gaslight

women and like the media and humans in general. Yeah, pro gaslighter. Made a movie that was about how you should believe women. The biggest gaslighter made a movie that was about how the you should believe women the biggest gaslight of all that's such that's very confusing i'm confused yeah yeah what do you think sammy um aside from from all that uh like scary why yeah this is like i was just very riveted by the by the plot and i mean scared at moments for sure especially you know by all the men but is it scary to watch like could i watch it do you think i think you could it's interesting because it's i think more just infuriating just

the gas lighting that's going on truly after certain point, everything out of everyone's mouth is a lie. And it's like so infuriating and so stressful. But there's no jump scares. There's no blood, really. When Terry dies, you see her dead body. That's, I think, it. There's no gore. The scariest scene sounds like the rape scene. Yes, I'd say that is definitely the scariest scene. It's more. Yeah, it's more more of a psychological thriller, psychological horror, I guess, because it is like fucking horrifying. But it's different.

But yeah, it sucks that there's not more movies that kind of delve into this topic. And just like motherhood in general i feel like that's a right it's so scary it's so scary it's insane it's so scary i can't believe the women do it super super traumatizing and yeah it's like very rarely depicted that way like it's always like oh like i feel like the most we see births is in comedies where it's like and like like throwing things at your husband and shit and it's like haha birth but it's like no it's like fucking scary well it's crazy because it's so ubiquitous but it's also so traumatizing it's this horrible thing that happens but it happens to everyone so what's there to even say about it? Yeah, that's true.

Boy, oh boy. Are there any good voices we can do to say goodbye? Well, what did we learn? I learned it is very important when you are pregnant to get a second opinion about everything. Yeah, that's a good one. Get a second goddamn opinion. Get a second opinion. And also have more friends than one old man named Hatch. Yeah, I learned

definitely share with the women in your life. I think our lesson from Halloween kind of ties in here too. Always be paranoid. Yeah, always be stressed and never be horny. Never be horny. Always be stressed. That one really is

universal, isn't it? It's universal. It can apply to everything. Save everyone a lot of grief. No, I don't think there's any voices. So a regular goodbye will have to suffice. So from all of us here, dear listeners, thank you for joining us on this complicated journey. If you're a man and I offended you, I'm sorry. But also maybe just think.

Just think. Just have a think. Think about it. Just have a think. Just think about it. I think we should all have a think. And on that note, we do love you. And goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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