Too Scary; Didn't Watch - SAW with Joel Jensen

Episode Date: October 28, 2020

Puppets on tricycles, fluorescent lighting, and rooms so filthy they could make Henley cry - we're recapping James Wan's 2004 debut horror film Saw! This week we are joined by our dearest horrorspondent AKA fourorspondent AKA Joel Jensen! Join us as we debate whether this film should be classified as torture porn or if it is, in fact, just a whimsical mystery.This closes out our listener chosen October episodes! Happy Halloween!! Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fm See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And on that note, we're going to do an episode. The thing you're all here for. So here we go. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy. And you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. too scared to watch scary movies.

I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I like watching scary movies and telling these two scaredy cats about them. We love you for it. Yay! Yay! What happened to us this week? Well, I gotta be honest with you guys right now. I'm actually

a little less grumpy than I was when we first got on because I'm hanging out with my favorite people and I'm drinking a martini. So things are looking up. But my day started today. I mean, truly, like before I even had my coffee, I was on my way. Before you went on my coffee, I was on my way to get a COVID test because I like to get tested regularly. And I like I woke up early and was like, I might as well get my COVID test this morning like

I'll just make an appointment it was easy and I was like look at me being so productive and doing such a good job on my way to my fucking COVID test I got caught in a speed trap and I got a goddamn speeding ticket. No I hate that feeling it I was just like here's the thing I was speeding right

like at a certain point I have to only be mad at myself it's like he's not wrong I was speeding but sure it. I was speeding, right? Like at a certain point, I have to only be myself. It's like he's not wrong. I was speeding, but sure it was. I was not driving recklessly. I do drive recklessly sometimes. And so I know that I was not this time. It was and it was like it was a trap. He was standing

there just with his gun waiting for people to come by. It was that stretch of Riverside like between Los Feliz and Glendale where it's just like fucking and Fletcher where it's like wide open and it wasn't like I was going a the speed limit on that road is 35 which is insane and I was

going 50 which is like faster than the speed limit but it's not that fast listeners though I know that does sound like you know a pretty high number for 35. But trust me, this road is like. No, it's like.

It seems like almost a highway. It's built. Exactly. And it is. Thank you. There's no one there. Literally a completely empty stretch of road. It's not a pedestrian road.

Like it's not. It's like pedestrian road It's like a frontage road It's next to the freeway So you get confused Anyway And I was just trying to go get my fucking COVID test And this fucking cop I mean I hate cops right now And always

You get it there's nuance whatever I can make blanket Statements on my own fucking podcast When I'm grumpy He had his mask Below his nose the whole time No he did not Fuck that guy

So I take a picture of him And we're just gonna see what we can do with this information I don't know My therapist I had therapy right after too, and she was like, yeah, you should. I'm glad you took a picture. You should fight it. And I was like, well, I was beating. But anyway, we'll see what happens. Honestly though, but you know,

it's fine. It sucks. It sucks, but it's fine. What's up with you guys? Forget about me. Speaking of our biggest injustices, I'm going to trump you, no pun intended, just a little bit, Emily, because this is our last podcast that will come out before the election. Holy shit. So I just want to give everyone a quick little reminder to go fucking vote your little butts off if you haven't already.

It's like the coolest, sexiest thing anyone could ever do. It's sexy. But honestly, though, everyone's going to vote. I know all of our listeners will vote because they are all responsible, beautiful human beings. But also just remind your friends to vote, remind your family members to vote. And don't forget about, as Sammy always reminds us, those down ballot people that you should also be aware of. There are lots of cool.

Sammy sent me some great voter guides today. There's all sorts of resources you can look at if you don't know enough about the propositions or the candidates or the city council. There are people who are smarter than me who do know. And I get to just learn from them and do some reading and figure it out our favorites not to plug them too much but the DSA of course and then also

vote save America is another great resource that you can just head on over to and they've done really good ballot breakdowns as well. So I'll see you guys. I'll see you guys at the ballot box. See you at the ballot box.

I'll see you there. A thing that I've really had to get on board with more this election than ever before is like voting isn't a thing that like it's not about like, oh, I'm going to vote when there's someone I'm pumped about and that's the only way I vote is when I'm fucking excited.

Like voting is a part of being a citizen in a democracy and you vote towards your goals and you vote to get closer to the direction you want to go to do the greatest good for the most people. And it rules when you can be pumped about a candidate. And we're not always going to be. And but it's important to vote even if you're not like jazzed about everything it is a process and it is a democracy and i fucking hear that so hard but we all have to vote because it we're crumbling everything's crumbling please please Well, my thing is much more insignificant. It's kind of in theme of this week's movie in that it's disgusting. Oh, hell no.

No, I'll pass. Pass. We just have. I don't want to know. We pass. No, you have to. You have to listen because I had to experience it. But no, you have to listen because I had to experience it.

Yesterday, I took a bite of a date. It's like a big date. I do not like where this is going. I hate where this is going. Sammy, too often you have things that are actually like from an episode of Fear Factor. Like already I know this is like an episode from Fear Factor. Sammy, where is it going? What is happening? What was in the fucking date, Sammy?

Tell us. What's in the date? What's in the date? It was black mold with a dead maggot. Oh my God! I spat it out. I don't know if there was a maggot in my mouth. I'm speechless. I don't know if there was a maggot in my mouth. I'm speechless.

Really hope not. Are you feeling okay? Like that's not good for your body to have those things in there. I'm feeling okay. I, you know, honestly, I didn't have as big of a reaction as I thought I would because it didn't taste any different than anything. Wow, you are fucking cool as a cucumber. That is amazing. And so I just quickly like brushed my teeth and ate something else.

Black mold? What was like black? And a maggot? Where did you get this date from? In the center of the date? Where would the date come from? I don't. You just found a date?

Where would the date come from? I don't... You just found a date? No, I was going to say that I'm reluctant to say... You just find it? You can't just eat dates that you find. You can't just eat dates that you find. No, I was going to say that I'm reluctant to say because it was Imperfect Foods, which I really love. That is imperfect.

True to the name. But they do send some food that is a little more imperfect than I would like. Honestly, correct. I love imperfect foods. I really do. But I guess sometimes. They are perfect 90% of the time. But, you know, occasionally there's going to be some black mold and a maggot in there.

Occasional maggot. Oh, man. But worth it for the good that they do. They do good. And I'm sure And I'm sure they're listening hello Imperfect foods and I'm sure If they knew they would really do you right

Because I'm sure they don't want That one bit but they do a lot of good I love imperfect But I'm gonna cut my dates In half before eating From here on out for sure Also though like you know fresh food is like sometimes there's bugs in it and stuff

like that just happens. Yeah but not maggots. It comes from the earth. No I don't love that but you know. Well anyways a nice little segue into this week's movie which is also very gross. Oh I hate that too. Yeah I hate it. This week's movie the winner of our nasty torture porn bracket is Saw.

Came out in 2004. Directed by James Wan. Written by James Wan and Leigh Whannell. Starring Carrie Elwes, Leigh Whannell, and Danny Glover. And if I'm not mistaken, I think we have a horror respondent here to tell us about it. Sammy, you couldn't be more right. We have a horror respondent here to tell us about it. Sammy, you couldn't be more right. We have a horror respondent here.

The first ever trademarked TSDW horror respondent. He just can't get enough of us. He's back again. It's Joel Jensen. Hey, everybody. It's great to be here. It's great Jensen. Woohoo! Hey, everybody.

Welcome back, Joel. It's great to be here. I will say, I don't consider myself a horror respondent any longer. Now I consider myself a forerespondent, because this is my fourth time. Boo! Two thumbs down. And I also have to say, Sammy, I've had worse dates. Boo!

Oh my god. Oh! Oh, my God. Bill! Anyway, our guest had to leave. We do not have a guest this week. And that's it for Joel. Everyone give a round of applause for Joel. Oh, my God. You guys, wait. Can I just say that, first of. You guys, wait.

Can I just say that, first of all, Joel, I'm so excited that you're on to do this movie. However, I've been thinking about it all week. Like, all week. I wake up in the morning and I'm like, I'm going to have to hear about Saw. It's just coming my way. I can't do anything about it. And I'm really grateful to have you walk us through it. I'm also so nervous.

I'm like really scared for this one, you guys. Thank you. I have to say that I think that you guys see this movie in my ski terms that I've used before as a double black diamond type movie. ski terms that I've used before as a double black diamond type movie. I suspected before and now having just rewatched it the other day

I think it's way not as bad as you have been led to believe. I come with a Joel Jensen correspondent promise and we'll see if this lives up. But I think by the time we get to the end of this episode, some of your listeners will want to watch this movie. What?

That's what I think. Okay. Listeners, let us know. I want to hear your like before and afters of if you're willing to watch this. Because I think I'm 100% no, never going to watch it. Yeah. No, you too will not want to watch it. That much I do know.

But I take a big, I take a strong position on I don't, I don't think that this movie should be considered torture porn. I felt exactly the same way while I was watching it. It's like, it's more like Seven. It's like on par with Seven to me. There are gross scenes. It's like a crime thriller. Yes, it's exactly that.

It's like a mystery and it is about deceptions and lies and like interweaving truths and lies. And I think like it is. See, I have a problem. Part of it is that I think torture porn. I've been thinking a lot about this. Calling a movie torture porn comes from a moralistic perspective that is meant to

basically, without saying it, say this movie is a bad movie. It is gratuitous for the sake of being gratuitous and therefore it is not good. Just the way that you'd call, like, it denigrates the storytelling of a movie to call it anything porn right and so and i think this movie is so well written obviously very well directed as james

juan who is the fucking man and it is an it is a truly great movie um that is so much fun to watch and so well put together that i do think is an immense disservice to think it is anything less than that. And this is why you're the perfect person to be telling us about this movie because from all the marketing, my instinct is

so, like, feel like how can that be true? Wait, but what is a torture porn movie then if this isn't? Yeah. I would consider, like, Hostel and some of the later Saw movies. like how can that be true wait but what is a torture porn movie then if this isn't yeah i would consider like hostile yeah and some of the later saw movies yeah i was gonna ask sammy and joel have either of you seen any of the other saw movies and do they uh match up to the quality of this one i've seen saw two i've i think I've only seen Saw 2 as well. I like Saw 2.

They might get like grosser and grosser as, I don't know. And how many does James Wan do? Just the first one? I think just the first. I think just the first, but I'm not sure. And Lee Whannell is the same guy who did Invisible Man, right? Yeah, so Lee Whannell and James Wan, I believe, went to film school together and this was their first thing

out of film school where they wanted to hit the ground running and so they wrote this thing. It's based off of a short. Right, and it takes place pretty much all in one room so super low budget. Damn, I didn't write down the budget numbers but you gotta imagine they're good.

They're so low. They're so low. And then it made so much money. Yeah. Yeah. Good return. Take my word for it. Yeah.

So they have collaborated many a time on Insidious. I guess that's all I can think of right now but I feel like they frequently collaborate there's a couple that Lee Whannell has written that I was like oh no shit and then I was like oh my god this dude is like Lee if you're listening and he is I gotta

tell you man keep it up keep it up keep it up hey Lee keep it up he's amazing he's written like really fun keep it up. Keep it up. Keep it up. Hey Lee, keep it up. He's amazing. He's written like really fun very successful franchise launching horror movies. So he must be sitting

very pretty folks. He's definitely sitting pretty cool. That's fucking cool. Oh that movie Upgrade. That's one that he did. That's supposed to be way way good but I think kind of under the radar for a lot of people yeah I never saw it but I have heard very good things he's from Melbourne Logan

Lay you an ale from Melbourne Melbourne oh god Lay if you're listening Lay that's pretty good Emily thank you that wasn't as good so it's two like it's two powerhouses of like 2000s horror

getting their careers off the ground together in this movie and there's a reason that this movie launched their careers the way it did which is that it fucking totally rules. It rules. Hi everybody it is cocktail hour and boy oh boy are we gonna need it. So this week we are

drinking a game set match to make this cocktail you will need two ounces of bourbon whiskey half an ounce of sweet vermouth half an ounce of cyanide two dashes of angostura bitters and a dash of orange bitters you will stir all those ingredients with ice and strain into a chilled coupe glass and garnish with a lemon slice and a Luxardo maraschino cherry. Cheers. Are there, is there any trivia about it? Saw 2 was approved opening weekend of Saw. And so.

Holy shit. But yeah, I guess they knew it was going to be a great success and wanted to start cranking out those sequels of which there are seven, six. Jesus. Yeah, there's a lot because there's like Saw up till six and then there's Jigsaw. Then there's Saw like Legacy or something like that. Heritage. So there's a lot. I think a big thing for me is I was just looking up late Leigh Whannell.

So there's a lot. I think a big thing for me is I was just looking up lately when Ale and the we talk a lot about like the movie covers for movies and what they did to us. The movie covers for Saw are just like a fucking chopped off hand or foot. And like, that's what immediately, you know, I feel about body parts separate from the body. But like, I don't care how good it is. I'm like fuck no how dare you how dare you

and some body parts do get separated from bodies in this movie I'm sure they do I'm sure they do but it is a little misleading it's not that many but the ones that do hit hard and the only other thing I wrote down was just I wanted to shout out the editor

Kevin Grutter which I believe is someone else that they went to film school with probably a whole film school crew because they kind of didn't shoot enough which is a nightmare for an editor coverage wise they like didn't get enough coverage so they had to get real creative and they kind of crop in and do some things through like security camera footage to be able to make it feel like a cut um and there's also a scene with a car chase which i read this trivia before and you can really tell the car chase is just like cars in a garage with like smoke around them.

And it's just like filmed in such a way that looks like a chase. But the first time I ever when I moved to L.A. and like started like shooting things that weren't just like I'm in college and we shoot things like legitimate fucking sets. and we shoot things but like legitimate fucking sets the amount of coverage needed for like two seconds of a film is astounding um and yeah I can't imagine like having to just

piece together a movie without that coverage would be impossible yeah yeah this editor is doing some heavy lifting um I have one bit of trivia which is that um this movie, and like, as it launched the careers

and then the spin off, the like other torture porn movies, it launched what was called the splat pack. Like as a reference to the rat pack or the brat. And did you come up with this? I wish. Is this like Eli Roth? Yeah, like a cohort of these guys, James Wan, Eli Roth, Lee Whannell, and whoever else.

But it was like, again, I think because it's such a not fellow travelers in actuality that it didn't really stick. But somebody at like Variety magazine probably felt very good about the splat pack. That somebody is Joel Johnson. Yes, I wrote a Variety magazine when felt very good about the splat pack. That somebody is Joel Johnson. Yes, I wrote a Variety Magazine when I was in ninth grade. Genius. That's a shame. We should bring that back. Let's bring back the splat pack.

Bring back the splat pack. Well, we'll bring it back. We'll definitely bring it back. There's got to be some people on Twitter who will be into. Bring back the splat pack. I can't imagine why they didn't land the splat pack. Who doesn't want to be part of the splat pack? Folks, folks, we're going to bring back the splat pack.

We're going to bring back the splat pack. Also, folks, also, folks, don't just vote. Vote for fucking Joe Biden. Get over it. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah. Fucking die. You know this.

You know this. Listeners, come on. Fucking come on. And yeah, don't write in Kanye West. Obviously, don't write in anything. Vote for Joe Biden. I don't care if you vote for nothing fucking else. You should vote for other things.

But vote for Joe Biden. Dear fucking God. Vote for Joe Biden other things. But vote for Joe Biden. Dear fucking God. Vote for Joe Biden. Yeah. The debate's also tonight. And I just feel like I'm going to have a frickin stroke thinking about that. Sorry. So it's not torture porn, folks.

It's not. OK. Should we watch this trailer? Oh, fuck. Yes. Let's do it. I thought about it earlier today that we have to do this and was like, I don't think I've ever seen this trailer. Should I shotgun a beer first? Yeah.

Yeah. What if I just shotgunned a beer right now? What if? What if, Emily? You would blow our minds. I am going to have a couple sips of my beer though so okay yeah just have a couple sips someone there

I can hear you who is that who's in there? Hello, Adam. Dr. Gordon. I want to play a game. The jigsaw killer. Paul, find the path with the razor wire. Technically speaking, he's not really a murderer. He never killed anyone. Dr. Gordon, your aim in this game is to kill Adam.

If you do not, then Diana will die. He finds ways for his victims to kill themselves. I'm sick of people who don't appreciate their blessings. I've given you a life purpose. Looks like our friend Jigsaw likes to book himself on receipts to his own sick games. He doesn't want us to cut through our chains. He wants us to cut through our feet. Most people are so ungrateful to be alive.

Not anymore. You are a drug addict. Do you think that is why he picked you? He helped me. Don't believe Adam's lies. Live or die. Make your choice.

No. It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Not too bad. It's not too bad. It's't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. It's not too bad. It's not too bad. It's... What the fuck? Guys, it is bad. It looks bad. No, it'll be bad. I know it'll be bad. But I think it just...

I think especially after Paranormal 2 last week, that trailer, in all of its 40 seconds scared the shit out of me. But this one, I was like, hmm. It looks like very 2004. Is that how weird specific? It looks very 2004. But this one I was like, hmm. It looks like very 2004. Is that how weird specific? It looks very 2004. It does. I was thinking that it's been, I feel like I've seen parodies

of it too many times now where there is part of me that feels so familiar in that way of people making fun of it. I think it informed a big 2004 aesthetic and if you were a Korn fan like me, you know what I'm talking about. Korn fucking Korn.

I forgot about that face. That like curly cute on the cheeks, big cheekbone face. Is that Jigsaw? I'd forgotten that that was a thing in this movie. I completely blocked that out. In Insidious, it's like drawn on the chalkboard

in Insidious. Oh like drawn on the chalkboard In Insidious Oh cause that's James Wan And I also Forgot How do you say is Carrie Ellis That's the craziest name I looked it up I forgot that he was in this movie

He does not look good His makeup in it is so bad It's really funny That makeup even in the trailer, I was like, what did they do to him? Why does he look that way? He's also not a good actor.

Well, what's funny is I think his performance is effective, but his performance also feels like he's a character in a video game that's talking to you. Where he keeps being like, no, you need to go this way. Like, that's the tone of his performance. Is he good at anything other than Princess Bride

and he's wearing a mask the whole time? Is he good at anything else? He's so good at Princess Bride. He doesn't ever have to be good at anything ever again. No, he's great in Liar Liar. Oh, I haven't seen Liar Liar in so long. This movie, I feel like, scares me more than Paranormal Activity 2. Does you guys not feel that way?

Not at all. My roommates were supposed to be gone again, and I wasn't even worried about it. This is not the kind of scary movie that sticks with me. Here's what I'll say. I would rather live through Paranormal Activity than live through Saw, If it was me in one of these scenarios. That's that's I stand by that. Yep. I stand by that, too, for sure.

I just you know what it is. It's that I just hate fluorescent lighting. It's it's bad. You really do, Henley. You hate fluorescent lighting. And I will tell you, Hen henley every single light in this movie is fluorescent every single one it's that's what it is you know if they just had softer lighting like i could probably kill them i mean a floor lamp not so much overhead lighting i mean

ever heard of string lights excuse me i'm like not joking though actually i think that would make a big difference I mean, ever heard of string lights? Excuse me. I'm like not joking, though. Actually, I think that would make a big difference. Should we get into it? Let's fucking just rip this goddamn bandaid off, you guys. Forrespondent, take it away. I have to think of what it's going to be for five next.

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Big time 2004 vibe. Then we flicker, like a little flicker of light comes in and we see a face, but it's underwater. And this sort of key chain sort of floats past, with a light on it, floats past a person's face, kind of unconscious underwater. Okay, first of all, sorry, already I have something to say. You can't be unconscious underwater. I was really immediately thrown. thrown like he can't be he would be dead he breathed the abyss goop but also can't what if you get knocked out and then put underwater then can you be unconscious underwater no you're right you're still

breathing you breathe water and you drown fair so we've blown a plot hole wide open in this Fair I thought it was a goof It was a goof Alrighty this movie makes no fucking sense Hang it up Forget it But it's brief This thing floats past he wakes up And bursts out of the water And finds himself inside Just an absolutely squalid

Tiled room with Exposed pipes St stains everywhere, rust stains, other stains, nasty stains, tile. It is foul. It is foul beyond belief. It's the worst bathroom you've ever been in. I fucking believe you. I feel it. I feel it in my bones.

It's just disgusting. Filthy. Filthy. Filthy. Filthy. Who and why? We're going to find out. Ithy. Filthy. Who and why? We're going to find out. I've got two questions.

Who and why? So he bursts out, shakes himself to it, finds himself in here. And then as soon as he gets out of the tub and he looks around this bathroom, he tries to get up and he realizes his ankle is chained to a pipe. He's stuck there. And then he's like, what the fuck is going on? It's pitch black. He can't see anything. The lights are off.

And he hears a voice, uh, in the room being like, just calm down, calm down. Um, like don't, don't scream.

Just be quiet. And, um, all of a sudden these fluorescent lights, sorry, Henley flicker on. And, uh, our guy looks over and we

and he sees another man also changed chained to pipes looking very very worse for where he has like a welt under his eye he's sweating through his clothes already he's pale he looks like shit and this is carrie elwes folks okay got it um and then we cut to like a slightly, the camera drags to sort of a slightly wider frame and we see that between the two of them is a dead body. A man who has a gun in his hand lying face down with a bullet wound in the back of his head. He's shot himself in the head. He's laying in a pool of blood and he's dead.

Sorry, quick question. Where did the water come from that this man pulled us self out of it's a nasty bathtub it's just a nasty bathtub there's like a toilet in the room too I see I see okay okay okay yeah there's toilets and urinals in a bathtub so this is like a uh

what is this an industrial bathroom well we'll find that out later but yes it is that's not really a spoiler it remains to be seen but yes and so this dead body it's nasty it's a pool of blood it's in undershirt and underwear lying there

dead and in one hand is the gun and in another hand is a tape recorder kind of like a talk boy if anybody knows what a talk boy is I have no idea like a talk boy. If anybody knows what a talk boy is. I have no idea what a talk boy is. And the real heads will know.

The talk boy heads? Yes, that's right. That's another tier of donor, I think. $500 a month, you can be a talk boy head. $500 a month. What a steal. So there's this body between them and and they both like look each other like do you know this guy do you know this guy both of them are like no i have no idea who this is what

the fuck is happening how did we get here um and lee starts excuse me um the the guy who woke up starts going nuts like what the fuck is this the other guy tells him to calm down um i woke up here just like you i don't know how i got here my name is lawrence i'm a doctor um i and uh the other guy is like i don't know how i got here either my name is adam so we have carrie ellis the older man is lawrence a doctor and then we have adam the younger man played by Lee Onell. Does he have an accent? No. Cool. Okay, so they're like,

so you don't know who this guy is? What do they want from us? I don't know. And then Lawrence looks up and sees in this filthy, nasty bathroom a brand new spick and span clock on the wall. And he points out, there's a brand new clock on the wall clock on the wall and he like points out there's a brand new clock on the wall what the fuck is this whoever put us here wants us to notice this clock because it's been placed here um um then um lawrence tries he finds this door it's like a big sliding industrial

door tries to open it and it's locked so they start freaking out again and Adam notices that he has something in his pocket. And so, he takes it out of his pocket and it's an envelope. So, he opens it and inside the envelope is a tape that just says play me written on it. And Lawrence checks his pockets and finds a

tape that says play me and also a single bullet. Oh, God. Oh, and a key, excuse me. They also a single bullet. Oh, God. Oh, and a key. Excuse me. They also have a key. And so. It's very Alice in Wonderland.

It's like the same thing happens in Alice in Wonderland. This is like how the movie is. It's like a game board with different pieces and you have to solve what's happening. Whimsical. Yeah. You might call it whimsical. Yes. That's how I'm going to think about things from now on. Whimsical.

Kind of twee. It's a very twee movie. So, Adam, like, takes the key and tries to unlock his leg. Obviously, it doesn't work. It doesn't work in Lawrence's. It doesn't work anywhere. It's just a fucking key that doesn't do anything. So, they're like, what do we do?

What do we do? And then they see, of course, the tape recorder in the dead body's hand. And so Adam reaches out to grab it, but he's chained to a pipe so he can't reach it. He takes off his shirt, tries to grab it, can't reach it still. And so he pulls a chained drain out of the bathtub, ties that to his shirt to extend the reach. And after a few tries, manages to hook the tape recorder, drags it over to himself and puts his tape in. And here's this distorted, very scary voice. Go, rise and shine, Adam.

Oh, my God, no. I'll tell you where you might be. The room you die in. You've been a voyeur, living in the shadows, watching other people's lives. So what are you going to do? Are you finally going to live your own life? So it's like a little bit. We know something about Adam here.

This is like a big theme, I feel like, for fucking sociopathic murders who are like, I'm the moralist. You've been naughty and now you die for it. And it's just how it is because you've been bad. It's like you're a murderer. It's like seven. Well, yes,

yes, very much. I think this really is. I think same as the exact right comparison is seven. Jigsaw is like, yeah, the heir to seven's throne. So,

and he is a big time moralizer. You better believe it. So so then Adam throws the Adam makes Lawrence put his tape into the tape player and we hear the same nasty voice go, Dr. Gordon, wake up, call. So he knew that they were both asleep. Dr. Gordon, wake up, call. Every day you tell people they're going to die soon. Now you'll that they were both asleep. Dr. Gordon, wake up call. Every day you tell people

they're going to die soon. Now you'll be the cause of death. Your aim in this game is to kill Adam. You'll have until six on the clock to do it. There's a man in the room with you. When there's that much poison in your blood, the only thing left to do is shoot yourself. And then he goes,

it coughs. And then he goes, there are ways to win this hit this game hidden all around you just remember x marks the spot for the treasure if you don't kill adam allison and diana will die and i'll leave you to rot let the games begin so whoa we have set it up the sort of thing is lawrence has to kill law Lawrence has to kill Adam by six o'clock or the guy will kill his wife and daughter. Basically, I'm just like, leave him there to die. Yeah. Yeah.

It'll be very bad. And and he has Dr. Gibson has poison in his body. Is that he's referring the guy who's dead in the middle of the room. He was poisoned and then he shot himself in the head just because he was agonizing and dying anyway. And it's Dr. Gordon. They're drinking Gibsons.

Oh, damn it. Shotgun that beer, huh? So one of the things that's important, right, is the killer knows these these men then he knows about them he knows enough about them to make a judgment and he has put them here for a reason and we just don't know really what is going on right so lawrence starts to like play the tape back a few times and here's a very weird like under the breath sort of whisper

within a part of the tape and it says follow your heart and then so he's like what does that mean follow your heart and they look around the room and there's a heart painted onto this nasty toilet painted? in what?

yeah poopoo yeah it's painted in shit. Poo-poo. No! Honestly, how tweet? It's pretty whimsical. Poo-poo painter.

He's a poo-poo painter. So there's art in the toilet, and it's closer to Adam. It's within Adam's reach. And so Lawrence is like, well, go check the toilet. And so Adam reaches his hand straight into the fucking toilet toilet. And it is filled with shit, which is also crazy because the bathroom, nobody's been in it for a really long time, but it has fresh doo-doo in it. No, it's like as if there's no water. It's just filled with poop.

Just pure shit. And he pulls nothing out. And it's so funny. Lawrence goes, did you find anything? And Adam goes, no solids. Adam has some real one liners in this yeah Adam's character is meant to be funny this is Lee

yes he gave himself some juicy bits laughing so then he so he's like what the fuck and so he goes oh the tank and so he reaches and takes the lid off the tank reaches in pulls out a big black plastic bag and goes, why the fuck didn't I start here? It's very funny.

Yeah. And so he opens the plastic bag and inside are two hacksaws. The titular saws. Titular saws. The titular saws. Titular saws. And so he tosses one saw to Lawrence and takes one for himself. And they immediately try to saw through the chains.

No dice. Adam's saw actually breaks on the chain, throws it, and he breaks a mirror. And that's when Lawrence looks at Adam and says, he doesn't want us to cut through the chains. He wants us to cut through our feet. Oh God. And then. The movie ends? That's right.

That's the end of the movie. So then he goes, then Lawrence goes, wait a minute. I think I know who this is. Last night. And then it like kind of cuts into a flashback of cops running into like an underground space and he goes like last i heard police hadn't caught him and he's like really putting on some like dramatic cream on this the only reason i know is it that i was a suspect for his crimes

so then we cut into the full tilt flashback and we see Danny fucking Glover. SF State alumni, my alma mater. Wow. Cool. I fucking love Danny Glover. And this is another huge get for them. His performance in this is weird. I don't understand why he did this movie.

But he's great in it. I love him. I love him. So and I forget you have have to do you know who he plays his partner he's a guy who i totally love but i can't ken lung is his name he is in lost and there's another actor from lost in this as well little lost reunion yes there is maybe pre-union i don't know i have to say his name is Ken Lung. He's like one of the great that guy actors that I don't think has gotten his credit for being one of the great that guy actors. I think he's like

one of our generation's great that guy actors. Amen. Ken, if you're listening, and you are, you're one of the great that guy actors. I think that there's a real special thing in being one of those guys. I think so. There is. If you're a that guy actor, you have a successful

consistent career and you also get to be normal and I think that that is probably the best of both worlds. Yes. And I think Ken Long has one of the one of my very favorite on screen faces. It's just like radiates a certain quizzical danger

and I just fucking love it. He's great. He's so good. He's in one of the X-Men movies. He's in like Lost. He's in a few other. Oh, he's in Sopranos. He plays Junior's friend in the psych ward.

Anyway, I love this guy. So he's Danny Glover's partner. And they're like running down these stairs. It's like very green tinted, almost night vision. The whole movie is green, pretty much. Yeah, basically. And they find this dead body in the bunker. And he's inside of a chain link fence cage that is filled with just reel upon reel of barbed wire.

And he's dead. reel of barbed wire and he's dead and they refer to it as this one uh is such and such as such as implying that this is one in a series of murders that are all related to each other and um inside the cage in his hand of course we find a tape recorder just like the one in the bathroom um he um and they pull it out and the detective on the scene says you know oh puts the one in the bathroom um he um and they pull it out and the detective on the scene says you know oh puts the tape in the recorder and basically we learn that in the in the creepy nasty voice that this guy had tried to kill himself he had tried to cut his wrists before and he and like the voice basically says if you want to die stay where you are if you want to live you'll have to cut yourself how much will

you bleed to stay alive so he's like challenging this dude's suicide and basically saying like you didn't really mean it did you and I am going to make you prove it which is very mean so mean

it's very mean also So mean. It's very mean. Also on this guy's body, a portion of his skin in the shape of a jigsaw piece has been cut away. And we cut back into the bathroom and we have Lawrence talking and he's telling Adam about this. And he goes, you know, technically,

this guy is not a murderer he only ever finds ways for people to kill themselves and so then we if I'm Adam I'm not feeling great about being in the bathroom with this dude who's like anyway I was a suspect for this thing and I know all the stuff

I'm like what dude what I also think this is an extremely charitable read from Lawrence of this guy who literally locked a guy in a cage filled with barbed wire and then and said like if you're not out in the next two hours it'll lock and you'll die that's not exactly

giving him a way to kill himself technically not a murderer technically okay Lawrence but we have our trailer lines so that's what counts. That's what counts. So then we start, yeah. So we start montaging through several more victims, including a guy who is, who wakes

up in a weird basement. There's numbers all over the walls and there's broken glass all over the floor. And he wakes up in front of a safe with a candle on it. And he is smeared in goop and and then we hear in the tape that uh he has a nasty tape with a nasty voice that like this guy uh he like would like convince people that he was sick or something to like take advantage of them and so he so the jigsaw guy uh covered him in flammable goo put him in a room with a safe and said, like, the key to get out of here is inside the safe. You just have to find the code and it's written on the wall.

So he's still like walk over broken glass to find it. Then it gets dark. And so he has to pick up the candle to find it. And he fucking burns himself up. And then the detectives are investigating this scene and they find like a peephole in the wall. And one of the detectives goes like Jigsaw likes to watch up close. He wants to have a front row seat to find to like watch this all happen every time. And so then then they then the detective holds up.

They found like a pen light, like a pen with a flashlight. Is that what a pen light is? Yeah. And it has fingerprints on it. And they're like, we'll take this back. We'll get these prints and we'll find the jigsaw killer. So then we cut into sort of another version of the flashback and we see Lawrence at work as a doctor. And he's with a group of like interns.

They're in a room with a patient. And he's sort of coldly diagnosing this patient with an inoperable brain tumor. And it doesn't really mean anything to him because he's a doctor. He's an oncologist. He delivers bad news all the time. And this patient has the single worst soul patch I've ever

seen in my life. Just like a weird little white soul patch on his lip. And as he's talking to this group of interns this like weird orderly little white soul patch on his lip. And as he's talking to this group of interns, this weird orderly, like hospital orderly, walks into the room

and it's the other guy from Lost. Michael Emerson. He plays Ben. Ben from Lost. Michael Emerson. There's an all-timer creep guy. And he interrupts. Lauren says he's talking about this diagnosis. It's like, hey, his name is John. And he's a really interesting man. Like, this dude fucking cares about this guy.

Okay. And so then we cut. The cops come to the hospital. Danny Glover and Ken. And the pen light that they found has lawrence's fingerprints on it so they are like you need to come down to the station for some questioning so they take him down and lawrence is like what the fuck and the cops are like what's going on and his his lawyer comes in and is like what the fuck like where were you last night that you could

need you need an alibi and he like, I don't want to say. And the lawyer gets out of him that he's having an affair. Of course. And he was with a woman who he was having an affair with last night. And the lawyer's like, you better just fucking confess now, because it's going to come out, and they're not going to believe you later. Cheating's better than murder. Or technically not murder, but you know. cheating's better than murder yeah or technically not murder but you know that woman never made him

so the cops eventually sort of like hear him out and his alibi ends up checking out he's kind of off the hook but for some reason they're like we're going to make you listen to the only victim to have survived the jigsaw murderer and tell her story. There's no clear reason for it. Sammy, did you gather a reason why they would make this happen? It's like maybe they're trying to get a reaction out of him to admit guilt. If he sees one of his victims that he would be because they think he's responsible and that maybe he'd see her and be like, oh, I did it. I'm sorry. But like, that's not how it works with, you know, sociopaths.

Yeah. But thankful for thankfully for us, Amanda re relates her story and she has these like nasty scars on her mouth. And so we flashback to Amanda's story. She woke up. She wakes up in a dark nasty room every room is so nasty in this movie oh i don't know if there's been a higher nasty room quotient in any movie ever made it's high they spent all the money making these rooms nasty and they couldn't afford any good makeup for carrie elwes this is henley's biggest nightmare nasty rooms with

fluorescent lighting my god God. My God. So unsanitary. So this woman, Amanda, wakes up and she has this weird rig on her head. And it's basically a modified bear trap that is fastened into her mouth. And there's a nasty puppet in the room. And she hears... And actually, it's a nasty puppet on a TV screen. So for some reason it's not a tape this time, but it's a TV screen

and this nasty puppet, the soft puppet, looks at the camera and tells her the rules of her game which are basically like if you lose your mouth, you'll be ripped open by this reverse bear trap and then it cuts to a shot of the reverse bear trap ripping open a mannequin's head and it's

it's really not what you want it's very bad very powerful and then the voice goes there is a key you can get out of this and the timer will only start when you stand up but you can get out of this there is a key

and it's in the stomach of the dead man inside of your cell so she stands up and immediately the triggers the timer starts and it starts the clock starts clicking 60 seconds and she yeah and she runs over and there's a there's a a bot a man's body on the floor and she pulls his shirt up and there's a big question mark on the tummy. Are you gonna do it? And then there's a scalpel next to

the body and she picks up the scalpel and is like freaking out like fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. She picks up a scalpel and then lifts it and looks down and the guy wakes up. No. And she makes eye contact with him. And she does it anyway.

Stabs him and cuts his stomach open. And sifts around a little bit. You don't see much of it. It's really not that gory. It really isn't. You see some blood splatter. She's only sifting. She's just sifting.

It's so whimsical. Whimsical sifting. it's so whimsical whimsical sifting so there's a little bit of a guts and she gets the keys and unlocks it unlocks her bear trap just in the nick of time

the puppet then rolls then the door opens and the puppet rolls out on a big ass tricycle and says to her through an audio track, most people are ungrateful to be alive and you are not ungrateful anymore. And we cut back to the police station and the woman looks at Danny Glover and goes, he helped me.

And he goes, well, you were a drug addict. You were an addict and you were in really bad shape. Do you think that's why he picked you? And she was like, yes. And I am happy. I'm glad I'm alive now. I was like ready to throw my life away. Is she like going to be in jail for cutting open a man's stomach or do they think not because she was a victim?

Unclear. I don't remember. I don't think so. I think that's a pass. I think she gets a victim. Unclear. I don't remember. I don't think so. I think that's a pass. I think she gets a pass. They tell Lawrence that the guy was like filled with opiates and stuff. He was barely conscious. He couldn't feel anything.

Did he die? Yes, it's fine. I guess you die. You definitely die. You definitely die. You don't die more than that. I'm thinking this is kind of reminding me, it's kind of like a perverted Dexter, too. Where it's like this, you know,

sociopathic... Dexter's already kind of perverted. Just throwing that out there. Yeah, that's true. It's like, I channel my killing to people who deserve to be killed sort of situation. Exactly. And doing it in a very like strategic, systematic

way. I can definitely handle Dexter. I mean, he's just so much more organized, you know? Well, the jigsaw killer is very organized. He's not clean. He's not clean. But he's very organized because for his elaborate plots to unfold, he has to be very organized. You'll see.

That's true. That's true. He's just not as tidy as Dexter. He's very, very messy boy. He's like my college roommate. Always eating Totina's pizza rolls and not washing the dishes afterwards. Anyway.

He doesn't get more college than that, honestly. So we cut back to the bathroom and Adam is really going crazy because he's like, what the fuck? Do you have to do with this? This is crazy. Are you behind this? Are you him? Like, what the fuck is going on?

And he grabs a broken piece of glass that he he had broken a bathroom mirror when he threw his saw earlier. And he picks a piece of glass and threatens Lawrence with it. And but then he like notices and this is where the TSDW heads are really going to have a good time. He notices that it is a quote two-way mirror. He says two-way.

So he says two-way. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Two-way. we know where. Two way. We know where Lee Whannell. We know where Lee Whannell stands on the side of this debate.

Thank you, Lee. Now, please keep in mind, Lee Whannell is an Australian where the toilets flow in a different direction. So I don't know if this gets you off of any hooks, Emily. I'd be Australian. T-Y. You say T-Y. T-Y. T-Y. T-Y. So he notices. T-Y. You say T-Y. T-Y.

T-Y. So he notices it's T-Y. And then they get into a huge argument about if it's one way or two way. It's wrong. I mean, we all know that it's wrong. There are so many things about the movie that are wrong. One of them is that they call it two way instead of one way. Emily, I'll fight you to the death

about this. Don't you dare. So they look back to the mirror and they see behind it is a pane of glass and there's a video camera recording their every move. And then we cut into a computer room full of monitors and shit like that and somebody

is watching. He has a big black glove on um then uh we cut back into the bathroom and adam and lawrence are really at odds with each other um adam is really freaking out lawrence is very calm um and adam's like what the fuck is the matter with you why aren't you like why are you talking so calmly about this guy what the fuck is going on and lawrence is like look i'm a doctor and i understand that in order to defeat a disease you have to understand the perfection of its working like you have to understand the perfection of a disease to do anything and the adam is like okay fine but aren't you like upset about anything and lawrence is like i'm upset about the last thing i said to my daughter we flash back um to his daughter in her bedroom lawrence's house is one of the weirdest most ugly

houses i've ever seen it looks for any other sopranos fans out there like kind of like a weirder version of the apartment that christopher moltisanti's girlfriend uh who is played by um juliana margulis lives in um anyway but it's weird their sets are very bad in this movie um because it's low budget but his daughter is in her room and she's and she's like there's a man in my room and he talked to me so spooky and she tells this to her mom and her mom wakes up and she's like there's nobody there she's like yeah mom is monica potter i there's nobody there. And she's like, yeah. Her mom is Monica Potter. I don't know who that is. That's another early 2000s star.

Another good get? Yep. She was in Parenthood. Gotcha. I know who Monica Potter is apparently. I like saw her and it like popped into my head. I was like, Monica Potter. And then I couldn't remember anything that she was in, but her name is seared into my memory for some reason i never know who the cool people are but i know

who monica potter is it's cool um so her daughter's like there's a man in my room and he talked to me and she's like and she's like i want dad to go in and check on him so they go and lawrence is in his office typing something on a computer and they're like uh you know, your daughter is worried that there's a monster in her room or something. Can you go check? And he's like, I'm just working on this. I'll get there one second. Just give me one second. And just let me finish this paragraph and I'll get there. And we get the sense, right, that similar

to the dad in Train to Busan, which I was a guest on, thankfully. Previous correspondent. Referencing your own episode. Listeners, he might he referencing your own episode. Listeners, you might want to go back and listen to that first in order to get full, full context. When I became a full correspondent, this is indoctrination. But we get the sense that he's like a little bit cares maybe more about his career than he should. And maybe it gets in the way of his very real love for his daughter.

then he should. And maybe it gets in the way of his very real love for his daughter. But he goes back to her room with her and is very, very lovely to her and like calms her down and is very sweet, very loving. And as he walks out, her daughter goes like, daddy, you're not going to leave us.

Right. And he goes, no, what are you talking about? And she sort of references that she gets the sense that mommy and daddy are not getting along very well. And he gets a page on his like pager. And he's like, oh, I have to go to work. I love you.

And I'm sorry I have to leave. But tomorrow I'll read you your favorite story and everything will be fine. favorite story and everything will be fine. And then he steps outside and she hears him and his wife arguing about how unhappy he is and how much he only cares about work and stuff. So, then we cut back into the bathroom and Lawrence throws his wallet over to Adam because it has pictures of his wife and daughter in it and he's everywhere kind of calming down and like, has pictures of his wife and daughter in it and he's, they're kind of calming down and like, this is my wife and my daughter, you know, this get to know me, you know, I'm just a guy, you know. And Adam looks through it and he finds in the wallet a Polaroid of the wife and daughter

gagged and bound and on the back of it, a note that says, X marks the spot. Sometimes you see more with your eyes shut and adam looks up and he's like what the fuck and looks over at lawrence and decides to keep this to himself what a sneaky sneaky man to be honest with you i might have i think it's because he's gonna lose his fucking shit or like you might as well control when you give that information. Right. Right.

He has orders to kill Adam. And I feel like this would push him over the edge to be like, OK, I'm going to kill you. I'm just going to kill you. Yeah. OK. And the gun. He has the bullet. There's a gun in the room.

Like all it takes is a small push. Right. So he keeps it to himself and we cut back into another um flashback where i'll reference um uh your abyss episode currently in this scene wife is a bitch she's not a wife is not a wife wife is a bitch in this scene she's only yeah so she hasn't transitioned to wife yet or she's transitioned from wife to bitch. She's regressed from wife to bitch. Yeah, she's regressed. So it's the only two.

Yeah. But she's not very nice. And I don't think it's very dimensional, her anger in this scene. But then he leaves from their weird house and we cut back to the daughter's room and she's going to bed scared of the man in her room. And we cut to a shot of the closet and a beam of light catches a man's eye watching her in the closet. And then he jumps out, grabs her. The mom runs in. He grabs her, ties them up, and he has them captured and subdued.

And we don't ever see his face, but he pulls out a stethoscope and he puts it to their hearts as he holds a gun to each of their heads. Like, he listens to the mom's heartbeat while he holds a gun to the daughter's head. Whoa. And listens to the daughter's heartbeat when he puts the gun to the mom's head and this guy and listens to the daughter's heartbeat when he puts the gun to the mom's head and he listens to their heart rates rise um and then we sort of pull out a little bit and it's the orderly from the hospital his name is zep zep oh wait is that the guy ben ben from. Yeah, it's the guy who was like, you need to pay more attention to the patient. The one who's so empathetic.

Yes. And so now we cut to another video screen and we pan out. And Zep is looking out of the window of Lawrence's house, like peeking through the curtains. And we pull out from the video and we see Danny Glover is watching him and he's clearly a crazy person at this point. He's like

unraveled and is crazy. He was kind of collected before. He has an unreal conspiracy room. There's papers on every wall. Danny Glover does? Yeah. Okay, okay. It's nasty. It's a nasty room.

There's graffiti inside of his apartment, which is very weird. Newspaper clippings everywhere, muttering to himself. Old coffee cups. He's muttering to himself. Yeah, he's like, it's very crazy. And you're like, what the fuck? I thought this was the cop. But he's very crazy. And you're like, what the fuck? I thought this was the cop, but he's totally crazy. And it becomes very clear that,

uh, Danny Glover still believes that Lawrence is the killer. Oh, okay. Um, so then we flash back again and we see Danny Glover dropping Lawrence off after the police station visit. And Lawrence gets out and Danny Glover says, you know,

we arrested a dentist two weeks ago and he played with little kids and he lived just a couple blocks from here and I just want you to understand, sewers run under these houses too. Which is a pretty good line, I think. Just because you're rich doesn't mean you're not a fucking freak and I know it.

So then we go back to Danny Glover at the police station. His partner Ken is concerned for him. Obviously, like, Danny Glover's, like, watching and re-watching jigsaw tapes, trying to find clues. He's, like, you know, the archetypical, like, detective who's in

too deep, basically. And he's re-watching and re-watching and then all of a sudden he notices a detail with Ken that basically, basically like he sees graffiti in the layer of jigsaw. And it's like, that is a certain gang's graffiti. And their territory at the time this video was made was only like four blocks. And they realized that there's an old mannequin factory in the middle of that territory. And they're like, let's fucking go get his ass and Ken is

like should we get a warrant and Tankler's like fuck no let's go get this motherfucker. You need a warrant folks. Yep you need a warrant. So they go and they find they go to the mannequin factory find this guy's setup it's like a bunch of like weird crazy shit everywhere big giant like wheels

mannequins odds and ends. It's your, mannequins, odds and ends. It's your classic mannequins and wheels situation. And, but then they get to, like, the sort of heart of the lair. And it's very clearly Jigsaw's lair, right? There's, like, TV screens and tools and shit. And then on some tables, there's, like, big red velvet sheets velvet sheets like spread over some things and so they pull off

they pull one off and find a diorama of the very bathroom scene that Lawrence and Adam currently are in it's very cutely made it's very funny and then he pulls off another red sheet and we find the puppet okay so this is

fucking jigsaw's lair. This is definitely it. This is undeniably it. Then they find a third red sheet and as they reach to grab it, it fucking moves. They pull it off and there is a man strapped into a chair

with two drills, like power drills, pointed at his head, like the temples of his head. Jigsaw wanted them to find this fucking room. Let the games begin. So this was... They are in their own game with Jigsaw. So then they hear the elevator, the freight elevator moving and coming up, and they run

and hide. And inside the freight elevator, there's a man in a big black hooded cloak and he gets out of the elevator he like walks and he walks very slowly and he's kind of hunched over he doesn't look like a prime physical specimen by any means and he walks over to the guy

so this is not your Donald Trump's for example so he walks over to he walks over to uh he walks over to the the guy who's like sitting in the chair and basically says you the guy's like please let me out please and he goes i've given you i've given you a life of purpose you're a test subject for something greater than yourself so then as he's talking danny lover and ken jump out with their guns and go, freeze. Cool. Like cool cops.

Yeah. Very cool cop moment. And then Jigsaw steps on a big red button on the floor and turns the drills on. That is kind of funny. The drills not only turn on, they start to like move in. And Jigsaw says to the cops, I'm going to give you a choice. In 20 seconds, this man's life will be ended. But there's a key in the box.

And Ken runs and there's a bunch of keys in the box, like a huge key chain. And he tries to find the right key. And he's like fucking putting it in the lock. He's like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Come on, come on, come on. And Jigsaw goes over to Danny Glover and goes, what's more important to you, officer? Arresting me or saving the life of another human being? And Danny Glover goes, you sick bastard.

And he goes, yes, I'm sick. Sick from the disease eating me from inside. Sick of people not being grateful to be alive. Sick of it all. And then he like shoots a knife out of like a spring loaded thing on his wrist and slices Danny Glover's neck with it and runs away. Whoa.

The partner shoots the drills with his gun and stops them, I think. Yeah, I think so. Okay. I don't really remember what happened to this fucking poor guy. Ken chases him and he runs down these stairs and like into this very nasty hallway and, uh, pulls his gun out and he shoots it like sees Jigsaw dart out of, out of like a doorway and he like reacts and shoots him in the back and Jigsaw falls down

in a heap, uh, lifeless. Okay. And so Ken walks towards him and we see, and it's, you hate to see it, folks, a tripwire that Ken does not see. And the camera tilts up and we see like seven shotguns all mounted to the ceiling pointing down. And he, the tripwire pulls on the trigger, pulls on the trigger and kaboom, Ken gets fucking his head blown off by a bunch of shotguns.

Oh, my God. He's thought of everything. He's thought of everything. Jigsaw gets up and leaves. He's fine, and he escapes. He's wounded, but he's okay. A bulletproof cloak. He has a bulletproof cloak.

Kevlar cloak. But Danny Glover like recovers and like scrambles down the stairs even though he's like bleeding out of his neck and sees his dead partner. And it's not that graphic but it's just graphic enough. He's very much his head was blown off. So then we cut back to the

bathroom and we're thinking about this X marks the spot thing, Adam is thinking this through and we cut into like a security monitor and Jigsaw is watching them, the guy in the room. And Adam and Lawrence are not really getting along still, but Adam's like, turn off the lights and Lawrence is like, why? And Adam, of course course knows about this x marks the spot thing and you see it when your eyes are closed but he won't tell lawrence why and lawrence

is like what the fuck are you saying that for and he's and i was like just fucking do it so he does and they find an x in glow glow paint right behind lawrence like on the tiles on the wall so lawrence opens it and he pulls out a box and inside the box we have oh and the key inside of their envelope opens the box okay so this was part of the plan and he opens the box and inside of it we find a cell phone a lighter a cigarette and adam sees a cigarette and he really wants it he is a cigarette smoker he really wants a cigarette and he really wants it. He is a cigarette smoker. He really wants a cigarette. And then inside the box, a note addressed. It says, shh, Dr. Gordon. Gibson.

And so Lawrence opens the note secretly and it says, cigarettes are harmless unless they end in bloodshed. You don't need a gun to kill adam so we're thinking about this what the fuck does this mean and uh lawrence takes the phone tries to call 9-1-1 no dice it's and he goes oh this is meant to receive calls not make them which maybe that was a thing in 2004 i was also confused by that don't remember that so that yeah kind of so we cut to another flashback and lawrence is in a parking garage um and the implication is that he like he's like this is after work he's in this parking garage going to his car it's the single worst parking garage of any hospital i've ever seen just totally nasty a bunch of fluorescent lights fuck that fuck this

and um he's walking and he like kind of like hears something he's like what the fuck was that and then there's like a little flash on him but he doesn't really notice it and he keeps walking and um feels like kind of has the willy so he picks up a service phone

in the parking garage and tries to make a call but nobody answers and we like look up you know there's like those like circular mirrors in parking garages and stuff like pulling out you're like lawrence is like just not looking at but the camera looks up and we see lawrence's car and the door opens the back door opens and somebody crawls out of it. And it's like a red robe with long, nasty black hair. And we get another look at it and it's

a pig's face. Wait, what? I feel like this was the part that I remember scaring me the most when I saw this in high school was like the way that this person crawls towards him. It's not like he's sneaking up on him.

He's on all fours. And it's... I hate it. And wearing like an actual pig's head. Pig's face has a mask with a big nasty black wig. It's an effective nasty costume. And it runs up on him and it attacks him.

Gross. And that's how Lawrence got there basically, right? And Lawrence, we go back to the bathroom and Lawrence attacks him and and then lauren and that's how laurence got there basically right and laurence we go back to the bathroom and laurence looks at adam and goes hey how do you know about the light and adam's like uh i just fucking thought of it and he and laurence like you're a bad liar and adam's like all right fine and he pulls out the Polaroid and he shows Lawrence and Lawrence goes fucking nuts. He's screaming, going crazy, talking about how he's going to kill the jigsaw guy. And he's like freaking out and like desperate, right? Because his wife and his daughter are in danger.

And he looks back at that note that says you don't need a gun to kill him. And he looks at the cigarette and he looks at the pool of blood from the dead body in the middle of the room which has so much poison in it that the guy killed himself. And he goes, you know what? Adam, I'll give you this cigarette. And

dips it in blood, dips it in the blood and then goes, Adam, turn the lights off. I'm going to turn the lights off again. Just listen to me. And the lights cut and we cut into like the surveillance footage and like it goes dark and you just hear whispering. So, Lawrence is saying something to Adam, but we can't hear it. Okay. And then we bring the lights back on and the jigsaw guy was listening, but couldn't hear it and couldn't see anything. And we cut the lights back on.

And Lawrence goes, so, Adam, do you still want that cigarette? And Adam goes, yeah, I really do. And he tosses it to Adam. Adam smokes it and then gives the worst death performance imaginable. Just like huge vaudevillian death. Unconvincing in the greatest sense. And

then Lawrence turns to the camera and goes, There! I did it! I killed him with the cigarette just like you said! And then all of a sudden, Adam gets electric shock on his leg. The chain has been attached to electric wiring and Jigsaw is testing and Adam freaks out

because he's just been zapped and it's like fuck and they're like the jig is up oh fuck so then they try to saw through the chains again and it works and they escape and that's the end of the movie that's it that's it teamwork teamwork makes the dream work so then Adam goes oh my god

I remember now how I got here the jolt refreshed his memory or something and we cut into his little flashback he's walking down the shittiest dirtiest apartment hallway I've ever seen and goes into his apartment like throws his

keys on the on the table and everything's dirty and he goes into a dark, like, throws his keys on the table and everything's dirty and he goes into a dark room. He's a photographer. And he pulls out some photos that have been developing and wouldn't you know it, the photos are of Lawrence. And he hangs them up and one of the photos we see is a photo of Lawrence in the parking garage.

One of the photos we see is a photo of Lawrence in the parking garage. So, that flash that Lawrence thought he noticed was Adam taking a picture of him. What the fuck? Wow. So, then Adam falls asleep in the dark room because he's, you know, a young whatever. And he wakes up because he hears something like rustling in his apartment. and he gets up out of the dark room and his power's been cut and you'll remember this from the trailer the only light that he has is the flash on his camera and this is yes this to me is like james wan uh origins like he loves a set piece like this. So Adam's walking around his apartment

using his flash to try to see who is in there with him. It's like Silence of the Lambs, right? Is that what happens in Silence of the Lambs at the end? Yes. It also happens in Host. I think this is a frequent tool.

And it's fucking scary. And it works. And so's fucking scary. And it works. And so he's like walking around and like it creates a little strobe. It like creates a little freeze frame as he does it. And he's going around his apartment and then all of a sudden he hears

and he turns into that little fucking doll. And he's like, what the fuck is this? A huge ass tricycle? No, it's in his recliner. Interesting. This puppet has fun. This puppet knows what's

up. Knows leisure. So the puppet's there and he grabs a little miniature baseball bat and beats the shit out of this puppet and breaks it and then he's like, where the fuck are you? Show yourself! And he's like flashing his camera and he opens a closet, turns the flash on and pig face

wig face. Pig face wig face. Piggy wiggy. Piggly wiggly. That's a much better killer name than Jigsaw. Pig face wig face. Pig face wig face. Jumps out at him and grabs him

and that's how Adam got caught. So now we're back in the bathroom and we look at the clock. It is 535. Folks, we have 25 minutes. And the cell phone rings and Lawrence picks up and it's his daughter being like, Daddy,

there's the man who was in the room. I'm making a phone over. I shouldn't. The man in the room is here. The man in the room is here. He has this. Mommy and me are caught by him. And the wife gets on and goes, Lawrence, is Adam there with you? And Lawrence is like, what the fuck? What do you mean?

What do you mean? And she goes, he knows you. He knows all about you. Don't believe his lies. What? So Lawrence is like, what the fuck? And he looks at Adam and he looks at the bullet in his hand and he looks at everything. It's like, what is going on?

He gets really upset. And he tells Adam, my wife told me, you know who I am and what's going on with me. So who are you? And Adam goes, no, who are you? And then we have our big come clean moment. They sort of come clean to each other here. Adam goes, I can prove that you are lying about where you were last night. I know where you were.

I took a picture of you where you were. You were not at the hospital. You were at a shitty motel with a woman you're having an affair with. That was the parking garage. It wasn't the hospital parking garage. It was the shitty hotel's parking garage. And Adam watched him and Adam goes, I get hired by rich women to take,

or no, I get hired by people to take pictures of rich assholes like you cheating on your wives. That's my job. And I've been spying on you for days. And I followed you to this shitty hotel and we're both bullshitters and one of the very good moment and he goes

we're both bullshitters Larry which is a really mean thing to call somebody named Lawrence but like people who are familiar with him his wife calls him Larry and shit like that and he goes so what did you do at the hotel, Larry? And we cut to the flashback of the hotel.

And we realized that when Lawrence was with his daughter and got the page, it wasn't the hospital. It was this woman he's having an affair with. And he goes to the hotel. He walks in the room and is like clearly feeling very bad and guilty. And she starts undressing and he goes, stop. I'm done. We're not going to do this. There's an implication at some point that they never even slept together, actually.

But then in the room, the hotel room phone rings and the woman picks it up and she's like, it's for you to Lawrence. And he takes the phone and we hear a voice go, I know what you're doing, doctor. And he freaks out and it's like, fuck, we're caught. And he leaves. And that's when he goes into the shitty parking garage. So Lawrence, we cut back to the bathroom and Lawrence is like, who fucking paid you? Who paid you to follow me? And he goes, uh, I i don't know some guy named bob

and and lauren's like what and adam's like hey i just took a few photos and i went home and he paid me 200 bucks that's i didn't ask any questions and lauren's is like bob bob's the fucking dude who's behind all of this and adam Adam's like, oh, I don't know. And Lawrence is like, what does Bob look like? Have you met him? And he's like, yeah. And he's like, what does he fucking look like? Long black hair, face like a pig.

He goes, Bob, he's tall. He's a tall black guy with a scar on his neck. It's Danny fucking Glover. Danny Glover. And he's like, I think he was a cop. And Lawrence goes, no, he wasn't a fucking cop. Lawrence goes, no, he was a cop, but he broke down

after his partner was murdered and he became obsessed with me. And went crazy and has been harassing me and tracking me and following me around. So, we get to the point where like these two are hating each other. Big double fuck yous back and forth to each other. And Lawrence kind of collapses and it's like, how did I fucking get here?

I had everything. My life was so fucking good. Why couldn't I have just like been happy with what I had? And we cut to the wife and the daughter and Jigsaw has left them alone and she starts working her way out of her bonds. She spits her mouth thing out. She encourages her daughter be brave, be strong. We're going to make it

through this. She gets her hand out of her bonds and we cut back into the bathroom and Adam previously when he like confessed to taking pictures of Lawrence, he was like, I have the photos right here. They're in the bag.

And he throws them on the ground. And Lawrence is like, how did those photos get here? And he's like, I don't know. They're just here. And he looks at him and he basically like realizes he didn't take the photos that he was holding up. photos that he was holding up those are somebody else's photos of zap jigsaw at the at uh lawrence's house um and they she shows lawrence and lawrence starts freaking out again and then adam points to the clock and it is six o'clock folks it is six o'clock We need to know what's happening. Oh, no, we need to know what's happening.

Time is up. The time is up. So is Zep, a.k.a. Creepy Ben from Lost, Pigface Wigface? Or we don't know. He's Zep and he's Jigsaw and he's behind this. So we go back to the house and Zep loads his gun.

He sees it at six o'clock. He loads his gun. He walks into the room with Lawrence's wife and daughter and says, all right, bye, everybody. No, that's not what he does. Oh, my God. He says to them. Now I got to do what I got to do. You and he pulls out the phone.

And I'm sorry, what does he look like at this point? Normal him? Normal man? He's in his robe, but it's his face. Regular face. No pig face. No pig wig. Nope.

No pig wig. So he pulls out a phone and hands it to the wife and says, you have to tell him he failed and she so she reaches for the gun and then in an inspired moment she fights back grabs the gun gets it from him and grabs the phone and holds the gun on zap um they fight but she gets away from him right um danny glover is watching all of this unfold and he hears the gunshots because he's been camped out in an abandoned apartment across the street. And Lawrence is hearing it through the phone. They're like they've made the phone call. So he's just hearing like screaming and gunshots.

So he's fucking Lawrence. Yeah, he's freaking he's screaming. He's crying. So everybody's hearing everything. Finally, all of the threads are like coming together all at the same time and so Danny Glover grabs his gun and runs out to go see what's happening Lawrence is screaming

and crying and freaking out the wife is fighting she fucking grabs a pair of scissors and stabs Zepp with it Danny Glover gets there starts to shoot and this is one of my favorite moments I think I've ever seen a movie he fires like four gunshots and then his clip is empty and he goes what the fuck

and I think it's so clear like on the on set his gun fucked up but they just kept the take oh my god actually that was one of the trivias that I read was that a lot of these were like rehearsal takes they just didn't have time or money to get as many takes as they wanted and so some of

these are straight up like rehearsals and yeah it felt like a real flub it made almost no sense hey that's why you roll on rehearsal man that is why like the sound isn't very good he just goes like what the fuck and so then he runs and he tackles zep and they start fighting but zep gets away and starts walking through their house and starts speaking to Mrs. Gordon and being like, I'm going to kill your husband now, Mrs. Gordon. And inside the bathroom again, Lawrence now gets shocked. He gets the fucking shit shocked out of him and his mouth starts foaming and it's really bad. And then you cut to this. mouth starts foaming and it's really bad and then you cut to this carrie ellis getting electrocuted in movies that they did that torture death machine in princess bride that feels like

electrocution but you know i don't know that's right do we like what i just contributed no it makes it we want to do like a crossover scene somehow i think it'd be fun where maybe the little freaky murdery guy from Princess Bride? The like, breathy guy in the tree? Okay, yeah, that's a great description. A breathy guy in the tree. Let's do a mashup. Then Inigo Montoya shows up.

But anyway, now we cut into it's kind of a jarring cut, but now we get into the worst car chase ever where it's just two stationary cars in a black space with fog blowing at them. Then... Whose car is chasing whose car? Danny Glover is chasing Zep.

And this is Zep driving back to the location. What we realized is that the monitoring station was inside Dr. Gordon's house. So now Zep is going back to where he has them in the bathroom. So then Adam... Lawrence wakes up and just goes totally crazy he goes fuck this shit like an anime character and um meanwhile zep gets into

the warehouse um lawrence is trying to saw his chain off the phone is uh the phone starts ringing again because his wife is calling him but he can't reach it now because it's he had like dropped it when he got shocked so he doesn't know what's happening with his wife he doesn't know he's calling him he's trying to saw through this chain um zepp and danny glover are now in the hallway of the building they're in a gunfight shooting back and forth lawrence is freaking out like totally freaking out he starts to rip his fucking shirt off that's how much he's freaking adam is like what the fuck are you doing what's happening what are you doing why are you going so crazy

and then adam noticed adam sees that lauren starts to tie the shirt around his leg like a fucking tourniquet and he goes no no no no no um danny glover grabs zep they start to fight in this like room outside of the bathroom um he tries to like they start struggling over the gun he starts aiming the gun at zep's chest but somehow Zep sort of wriggles out of it. The gun is pointing at Danny Glover and they pull the trigger and Danny Glover gets shot and he falls over. Their last hope is fucking gone. Lawrence finishes tying the shirt around his leg and starts fucking screaming and starts using the hacksaw to saws fucking through his ankle. No.

And he saws and saws. I mean, what does he think? Does he think that after his foot is separated from his body, he'll be able to, what, jump and save his wife? What does he think that's gonna do?

What does he think he's gonna do? He's gonna be able to drag himself. Drag himself to his wife he managed to cut through screaming he cuts all the way through his leg he fucking finishes his leg he crawls free drags himself over to the gun takes the bullet

puts it in the gun Adam is going please please don't do this please please don't do this sorry and then Lawrence goes sorry I have to sorry I have to do it. This is the real Will Ferrell part. It's really bad. He's so pale.

He looks like a ghost already. And you see his leg stump like dragging behind him with like a he didn't cut through his pants just as like so he has very baggy ankle of his pants. And again, I will say it's like not as gory as it sounds. We see like the initial cut into the ankle and then it's all, you know, off camera. But it's all off his face. And it's like, it's just on his face as he's screaming

and biting the shirt and sawing. And it's really very well done. You can fill in the blanks with your imagination more than enough. Yeah. So Lawrence pulls up the gun and says, I'm sorry, I have to. And he fucking shoots Adam. Adam falls over dead.

Shoots him, done. He's dead. And Lawrence turns and goes, I've done it. Now show them to me! And we cut to them and they're perfectly fine. Their neighbors are over. Neighbors are over like, hey, everything's cool. We're taking care of you um then we cut back into the bathroom and the door opens and zep walks in

and looks and he's like wide-eyed and he looks fucking shocked at what he sees in the room and lawrence is very mad at him and he's like i'm gonna fucking kill you but he's like you know what's he gonna do and zep goes you're too late and lawrence is like why and zep goes there are rules and he has the gun pointed at lawrence he's gonna kill lawrence suddenly adam jumps up and grabs zep tackles him to the ground fights him grabs the lid of the toilet tank and beats his fucking head in. Beats Zep's head in with the toilet tank, saving Lawrence. And it is really intense.

He's like bleeding. He's crying. He's screaming. He's vulnerable. He's so like, like really crazy and scared and kills Zep. And eventually he's like just pummeling his head and Lawrence like grabs his arm and is like enough, enough, enough. And they like hold each other's heads close, like forehead to forehead. Jesus.

And they really connect and they're screaming and crying. And Lawrence is like, it'll be all right. It'll be all right. I shot you in the shoulder. It's just a shoulder wound. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. We're going to be OK.

I promise you. And Adam is crying like, please don't leave me. Please don't leave me. I shot you in the shoulder. It's just a shoulder and you'll be fine. You'll be fine. We're going to be okay. I promise you. And Adam is crying. Like, please don't leave me. Please don't leave me. I need you here. I need you. And, um, Lawrence is like, no, I have to go. I have to get help.

Otherwise we're both dead. Like I have to crawl out of here. And he very slowly starts crying to get help. He's like, you're going to bleed to death. If I don't get somebody or I'm going to bleed to death, I have to go. And Adam's like, please don't, please don't, please don't. And don't leave me. And.

I'm very upset. I don't know what's going on. It's upsetting. And Lawrence is like, I'll bring somebody back. I promise. I promise. And Lawrence is like, Adam is like, Lawrence, are we going to be OK? And Lawrence goes, I wouldn't lie to you.

And he crawls away. And then we're just Adam in the room. I don't know who to trust. Now we're just Adam in the room. He's in there with these two dead bodies. The guy who has always been dead. And Zep's body. And he runs over and checks Zep's pockets.

He's like, the key will be in here. I'll be able to unlock myself with the key. And so he's like checking for all these pockets. He finds something in a pocket and he pulls it out and it's a fucking tape recorder. Oh, hell no. And he presses play on it and it goes, hello, Mr. Hindle. Or as they call you around the hospital, Zep, I want you to make a choice. And we intercut like a flashback of him attacking Lawrence's wife and daughter.

And there's a slow acting poison in your bloodstream, which only I have the antidote for. Would you murder a mother and child to save yourself? Listen carefully. There are rules. Adam is like, holy fucking shit um he's then in the background behind adam as he's like what the fuck oh my god in the background behind him the dead body that's always been there stands up stands up and takes off what was a

prosthetic head wound and it remains still for so long yes and what we realize on closer look is it has the ugliest soul patch I've ever seen

and it is the fucking patient that Lawrence was diagnosing with inoperable brain tumor earlier in the movie and wait he's jigsaw i'm yes he's jigsaw lawrence not soul patch soul patches soul patches soul patches remember he always wants a front row seat and so he was in the room the whole time whoa and he turns to adam and he goes key to that chain is in the bathtub and we realized it was the fucking key chain that we saw in the first shot floating down past his face underwater. That went down the drain. And going down the drain. And Jigsaw walks out,

shuts the door on Adam. Adam screams, No! No! No! And we cut to credits as he continues screaming, and that's the end of the movie. And Jigsaw says, Game over. Game over.

Why? Wait, okay, so he just left Adam in the room to die? For, like, just, like, starve to death or something, I guess? And bleed to death. Or to see if he can get out of it on his own. But, yeah, basically the implication is that Adam is just going to die in that room. And what the hell's going to happen to Lawrencerence i'm sure he's almost already dead that's so sad oh it's it's a crazy ending that he was there the whole time all the clues were there the whole time they show you his face early and they show you his face when he's a patient

and they just know you're not going to put those things together even with that bad soul patch so he is pig face wig face um well pig face wig face might be zep who has been under his thumb right because he had blackmail on him for that day and all both the pig face wig faces happened that night like the night before so so so jigsaw what like made

it made pig face wig no made zap do what he did pig face wig face pig face uh so that lawrence would think it was him the wife and Lawrence would think it was him. The wife and daughter would think it was him. Danny Glover would think it was him allowing Jigsaw to walk free.

Yeah, I think in part. And also it was just part of a series of interlinking game designs that he made to to entertain himself. that he made to entertain himself. And is the idea that he's like a sociopathic murderer because of his brain tumor or because he has a brain tumor, he's just like, well, fuck it. His philosophy is like, I am dying. This is killing me.

And I fucking hate people who are not grateful for being alive. Right. People aren't. Very weird way to show it. And so all of these games are designed in his mind not to get you to die but to get you to

understand just how precious life is. That you would do these terrible things to stay alive. Yeah pretty low survival rate on these little traps. Can you imagine being like okay I have only so much time left to live I will devise games and

murder people and make them kill each other this is what I'm going to do with my remaining time I think it's bad psycho I also think it's bad I think it's psycho it's fucking psycho but that's why this movie is so good it's like setting aside if you

think he's psycho or not like that it was all an elaborate ruse that like twists at twists a whole bunch of times at the very end until we arrive at like he was just in the room the whole fucking time. If they had just fucking checked that body's pulse, they would have not been in this position. Like it's so fun. It's a great, great twist. It's like so well written. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, also, it sounds a great like a great twist it's like so well written yeah yeah well also it sounds like the way you were telling it anyway it sounds like it gets very real and emotional at the end and like the the you know you said that they seem very vulnerable with each other and that also just adds a whole layer of like it really punches you in the gut you know like it's just fucked up. It makes me want to, too. I feel like he let Lawrence leave because Lawrence did have that moment of like, I had everything and I was so stupid. And like Adam didn't have that moment.

So that's why Adam has to stay and die. That's a good read. That's a good read. The lesson was effective on Lawrence and just like it was on Amanda, who he let live. Also, Lawrence did cut through his leg so he proved how much he wanted to live to quote Chappie I want to live

Chappie always fucking makes its way into the podcast and so I guess I don't know if this is like a spoiler but is it always jigsaw for all the rest of the saw movies yes it's no longer that mechanic which is partially why they have a hard time making it

work the same way as the franchise goes on. But like, and it becomes more about the elaborate like Rube Goldbergian traps than it does about the mystery at that point. And like, Saw 2

I think is good. Saw 3 is good. And then the others get weirder. But I think like on their own merits, if you're judging them just on their own merits, they're all right. But like you don't get that twist ever again in that franchise. And again, this is why I think

I made the Joel Jensen horror respondent promise earlier. I feel like, I hope at least, that we've established just why it's a mistake to consider this a torture porn movie it's a twisty like it's a twisty movie that is about human drama and these characters like learning about each other betraying each other lying to each other and then ultimately coming to like need each other in these vulnerable moments like that is not gratuitous and is not in service of like

setting up an excuse to torture people it's the torture is effective because these are effectively written characters in an effectively written story that's my thing yeah there was honestly far less torture and like body horror than I thought

there would be and certainly less than other movies we've covered. So, I mean, I've never, ever, ever, ever going to see it, nor do I want to know anything about the rest of them because I'm sure they get worse. But like, you're right. It was it was not as bad as I had led myself to believe. Makes me scared to do Hostel. If Hostel is like so much worse. I won't watch Hostel.

I won't watch it. I know I've seen it. I don't totally remember but I definitely think it's much grosser. Yes. I think it's just like too nasty for me and like it isn't about like it's I don't want to watch like somebody's skin get ripped off for no reason. Do you

know what I mean? Just like for fun. But for a reason you'll do it. For a reason I will rip somebody's skin off. That's a good enough reason. I do think the sauce stuff like gets more elaborate and and like more hardcore the like body violence of it as it goes on um but it stays fun at least for the second the second one but um yeah fun you know what i mean you know what i mean but this movie totally rules and i i feel like like lee wannell and uh james wan have probably made so much money off of this franchise because

they made this movie probably nothing yeah and like it spun off like eight fucking movies that rake in money i mean come on they i'm sure they made so much money of course they did of course they did but it's really a good movie. Like it deserves it. It deserves to be celebrated. If you ask me. Yeah, I'm glad that we finally did it. And now it's like a little less scary than it felt. Henley, do you feel better about it now?

Now that we've crossed this threshold. I just I can't. For some reason, there's something about this movie that makes me feel like I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning and like a dirty bathroom with a chain around my leg I have a figure I just can't get it out of my head

the budget according to a google search that I did no fact checking on because that's a TSW podcast guarantee no fact checking budget 1.2 million. Okay. Box office, $103.9 million. Pretty good. Damn.

Pretty good. That's just off the first one. I saw that James Wan took a gamble and didn't get paid for it and only had backend points, which paid off. Very smart. I love James Wan. So confident. he's great um but joel that was really great i'm glad wow four respondent earning your title four stars four out of four stars five four out of four stars i was on the edge of my freaking

seat the entire time. And I gotta say, still I'm probably not gonna watch it. I am gonna go to bed thinking about it, though. That's for sure. Yeah, I really... Once we got towards the end, I was like, oh, are we gonna make this whole movie without any body parts

becoming separated? And I did not get so lucky. I did not get so lucky. Okay, everyone has to say what their favorite part of the movie was. Mine was when Jigsaw pressed that big red button on the ground. That was so cute. Mine is the moment

when the moment we don't see in the movie, which is when the pig face and the wig were purchased. Anyway, yeah, this is when the pig face and the wig were purchased. Anyway. Yeah. This is the look. Big face, big face.

My favorite moment is Danny Glover charging in like a hero, shooting three bullets. And then his gun doesn't work. And he goes, my favorite moment is when Carrie Elwes turns into Will Ferrell and gives a really, really comedic performance for the last five minutes of this movie. And I'm going to send you guys a clip.

He goes huge. He goes huge. And he looks like he has face paint from like a George Romero zombie movie. I do. I would be curious i my hope is that in relating this movie i've at least convinced some of your scary heads that they could and would would be interested in watching this movie i would love for them to sound off if they did i believe you made it a guarantee well i did make it a guarantee if just one of you can just hook me up. Just send us a DM. At least someone.

Drop a comment. Well, we're in luck because there is definitely a voice from this movie. There's definitely a voice. There's two voices to choose from. The obvious one being Jigsaw. The second one being Cariel with...

dying at the end and making the craziest voice, but let's do Jigsaw because it's more on theme Jigsaw is what? He's creepy Hello Hello Adam Hello Adam Deep and scary

Deep and scary Okay Let the games begin Okay well from all of us here at too scared and watch goodbye goodbye

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