Too Scary; Didn't Watch - SESSION 9 with Jeremy Cobb

Episode Date: January 25, 2023

Grab your headphones and put on some jazz cuz it's time to explore an abandoned mental hospital in the middle of the night! This week we are joined by Jeremy Cobb (Three Black Halflings, JC's on Movies, The Quantum Reactor) to recap the 2001 psychological horror film Session 9. Do yourself a favor and watch this clip. TRAILER Recap begins @ 26:34 Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I like watching scary movies, so I watch them so that you don't have to. We are missing Henley this week. She is on her honeymoon. She's on her honeymoon! Oh my god. And it looks great. It looks really nice. I would like to be on Henley her honeymoon. She's on her honeymoon. Oh, my God. And it looks great.

It looks really nice. I would like to be on Henley's honeymoon. Yeah. Specifically Henley's. I would like to be on that honeymoon. Tim can leave. I would love to be there with her, but we're so glad that she's having that lovely, lovely time.

And we'll do the best we can to make do without her. It's never an easy task. We don't like to do it but such is life sometimes and other than that loss in our lives this moment did anything scary happen to us this week um i did have something a little scary happen which is that i'm getting a tattoo removed and i had my second session of removal and i went this time first time i used numbing cream this time i didn't i went i went straight and why because i read that apparently the numbing cream can make it less effective because of some something of it like blocking the laser a bit I don't know um so I decided I'm just gonna fucking go for it and man you guys it really hurts oh no okay yeah that's it I feel like it's I've always heard that

tattoo removal is worse than a tattoo worse than a tattoo it hurts more takes way longer hurts a lot more it's way more expensive yep cool it's crazy it's like i mean i guess i get in i guess yeah a laser seems more painful than a needle but i'm sort of like how what is it feel like the best way to describe it is it feels like a laser shooting into your skin like it just that sucks it feel it's it feels hot it like burns oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like burning and cutting at the same time type of feeling yeah i mean duh it's a laser which is hot and like as soon as it feels exactly or awful how you would think the laser would feel yep like do you think a burn is worse than a cut um yeah i think it is i don't really want to sit with this question but um but no i'm so sorry

how long did it was it still quick oh it's so fast yes that's the one upside is it's a lot faster than getting a tattoo because they only have to go over it once it's like do do do and this is a pretty small tattoo so it literally is less than a minute and is it going away you like do you see it going away? And it's not a lingering pain. It doesn't hurt afterwards. Oh, that's cool. It's not, it's not like sore.

It can be like slightly tender, but not bad. Not like a tattoo can be. Yeah. Yeah. Now I just want another tattoo. I mean, I always want another tattoo, but. I see. I even like, I don't hate the tattoo.

I just don't like where it is. It's too visible for me. Yeah. And you've hated it for a long time. And look, it's, it's, you know, I think people should do whatever they want to do with their own bodies. Put a tattoo on it, take a tattoo off of it, do whatever you got to do. But ow, and I'm sorry. And so will you do the numbing cream next time? Like, no, think so no wow now that i've done it just it's it's over so quickly that it's just yeah i know that i can do it so i'm just gonna do it yep how many more sessions five four six tbd no sometimes they take up to like 15 hopefully not that many and they're like two months apart so yeah it can take years to remove

a tattoo it's just like shooting the ink deeper into your body right no it like breaks it up it breaks okay this could be too long of a conversation because i find it absolutely fascinating because it actually yes it is breaking down the ink into smaller particles that then your immune system can like digest. That's crazy. Yeah, it's really. That's weird and cool. Yeah. I know.

I know. I mean, the idea of tattoos in general is crazy. Like someone like shoots ink deep and like into your skin in such a way that it just like stays there. That's crazy. Yeah. And I understand why people just get tattoos covered instead of removed. Cause like, you know, it's a big process. Like I have a really big tattoo on my arm and I'm, it's not even that big, but I mean, it's like enough, it's like filled, you know? And so if I was going to try to remove that, they'd have to laser my whole forearm and like, no way.

Be really hard. Yeah. I guess, you know know that's the point it's permanent that's sort of why people do it wow well you're very brave as we all know thank you yes yeah what about you anything scary um nothing quite along that trajectory but i so for christmas this year i my family, my parents and my sister and her husband, like a Zoom class that we all were going to do together, a chocolate, a troublemaking class, because we all like chocolate. Who doesn't? And scheduling was a little bit tricky there on the East Coast. I'm in California and my sister and her husband have children. And so it was like trying to find a time was was tricky and so it was today today was the time i had to do it during when my sister's three-year-old is napping which meant it was 10

o'clock this morning for me and joel and it is a sunday and so we basically just woke up and then like made chocolate and ate a bunch of chocolate and were on a screen for two hours and like made a bunch of chocolate before we had consumed like anything else and then and then now i'm here and i i feel completely deranged like i i i i can't believe how insane i feel it's just you've been having too much computer time i've been having absolute which i was also actually the scary thing but I'm like trying to not just talk about it. I've been do look, people, people have to work. That's the life we live. Society we're in. I, I have been working so much.

I've it's I don't have really like I could take no time off and I would never be done. You know, that's like where I'm at right now. I know exactly. So the, anytime I take off is because I'm like, you're not doing, you're not going to do work right now, but it's not because there isn't work to be done. And that is a specific headspace to live in. It's important. And so also, yeah, it's like, it's Sunday, you know, tomorrow is when in my brain I'm like okay you go back to doing work And then all day today I'll have been on Screens part of that just like eating chocolate

And I just feel so crazy I feel so crazy Um It's just we it's a weird way to live You know we gotta I sat outside For like 10 minutes I'll do it again Um after this You know just i'll do it again um after this you know just trying to do it i had some i had an orange that helped i think i don't know i don't

know man i gotta go outside more too that's a goal of mine as well it's important it's really important yep so you know just trying to figure it out just trying to figure it out good luck to you thank you don't have many pointers it's hard it's hard after this see if it works for me it's a vitamin c felt good you know be careful with that careful with that acid sammy i know i know heartburn it's not life is tricky life is tricky life is um we have a couple pieces of haunted housekeeping for for the listeners just real quick want to say it's your last chance to get merch at too scary didn't watch.com last chance you got about a week left it's gonna go offline at the end of january so got a week to purchase merch. Purchase merch.

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It is available to rent for three ninety nine. And we have a guest with us today to discuss this film from fellow HeadGum podcast, Three Black Halflings. Jeremy Cobb, thank you for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. Welcome, Jeremy Cobb, thank you for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. Welcome, Jeremy. Yeah, thank you. This is, it's exciting to, first of all, that whole intro was just great because, like,

I don't know, I've guessed it on podcasts, but for some reason, every podcast that I've guessed it on leads with the intro. So I basically got to sit here and watch you guys do a podcast for 10 minutes and it was just delightful. I was just like, oh, this is great. It's sort of easy in, you know. Here's the vibe. Exactly.

Acclimate myself to the too scary, didn't watch Waters as I just sort of don't want to shock the system too much. Try to dip your toe in. Exactly. Yeah, this is exciting to get to talk about this movie of all movies, especially because it's one of those movies I feel like most people have never heard of it. Yes. Not heard of it. I sent you a list of a bunch of listener requests. We have like over 200 movies that listeners have requested. And this wasn't on it. Right. It was this one that was missing. And yeah, I I I had heard heard of it but like forever ago and forgot it existed and so yeah i'm really glad that you picked it yeah i i first i first heard about it from the

av club i used to go on the av club website all the time and they did i think an article on like a bunch of good horror movies that almost no one has heard of and this happened to be i'd actually seen a couple of them but i'd see this one i had. I saw on there. I was like, huh? Interesting. It's got the guy from CSI Miami. Yeah. And I watched it with my friend and I was like, whoa, this movie was wild. It is off the wall. Oh, my God. I can't wait to talk about it. First, I had to know. Did anything scary happen to you this week, Jeremy? Now, did anything scary happen to you this week, Jeremy? Yes.

So, I realized while we were talking that I have two stories. One of which is something that happened this week. The other one relates slightly to the story, Sammy, that you were telling about the laser removal. In the sense of something hot coming near you. I'll lead with that one. I'll lead with that one. All right. Let's hear it.

I may have been like 13. I think I was 14 or 15. And for whatever reason, we had this big wooden crate downstairs in my house and it accidentally like got knocked over and fell onto the nail of my big toe. Thankfully, the toe was not broken, but it was one of those situations where there was a cut underneath the toe. And so we started to charge the loop. Blood underneath it. Exactly. And it wasn started to charge the loop. Blood underneath it. Exactly.

And it wasn't coming out. Like it wasn't getting released. And it got to the point where they had to, I had to go to the hospital and they took a metal coil and melted my toenail, like melted a hole in my toenail, which thankfully, unlike a laser, when you were saying laser coming,

I was like, I had this, this like intense image of like this tiny metal coil just being lowered toward my foot. I can still viscerally remember. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. You don't forget that. Unlike the unlike the laser, it didn't hurt.

Thank goodness. Oh, phew. Oh, my God. Yeah. It was just such a weird experience to see. I've never seen a body like a nail or something melt. So it's just bizarre. It was so weird.

Oh, bodies are weird. They're very weird. And the less the more recent story is a lot less gruesome. In fact, not gruesome at all. Just sort of weird. Which is that my I was staying in Chicago with my girlfriend recently. Which is that my I was staying in Chicago with my girlfriend recently. And her we were in the middle of watching like just a TV show.

There was like this banging at the window on the side of the apartment. And we look and there's this strange man outside going like, hey, can you let me in? And we're like, no, no no and he's like open your back door and we're like um no and she goes to the door i'm like standing behind like ready to jump in like pulls this apart and he's like it turns out this dude is the ex-boyfriend of her neighbor and and he just need apparently apparently the the uh the ex the the neighbor had said to him that he could stay in her apartment that evening while she was gone but he couldn't get in so he was trying to get our attention to let him in and my girlfriend is like calls the friend or calls the neighbor she's like yeah no it's true go ahead and let him in

and it's like okay uh and so she goes to let him in and i'm just like sitting by the door waiting for her to come back and thankfully the story did not have a scary ending is she basically just let him in and he launched into his life story just unprompted he's not he's not in a good place no he's not doing well he's not doing okay at all because that's not the right way to ask to be let in not at all so i ended up staying more days with her just in case he came back because it was like nah he may have been benevolent this time but we ain't playing this we don't got a lot of trust in in how this is gonna go wow well i'm glad i didn't have a scarier conclusion but also good on you for

being at the ready you know you, you just have to be prepared. You gots to, especially when you're talking about horror movies and such. I was going to say, it seems like you're quite a big scary movie fan. Yes, I was not really allowed to watch horror movies

growing up, but then right around the time I left the house, from the ages of like 18 to 20 i like jumped feet first into the horror genre watched as many classics as i could uh get my hands on and to this day yeah i would say it's one of my favorite genres i would say as of now i really really enjoy a good old horror movie um i was it was a pleasure to go through the list of movies that you guys had sent me just to be like oh it's such a good movie oh that's a great movie too

there's so many awesome movies on here as a kid and you weren't allowed to watch them like i mean it sounds like right away you were like not too scared and ready to just watch like was there one that truly traumatized you as a kid or just never even got close no it would honestly uh i grew up in a very conservative Christian household, so I wasn't even allowed to celebrate Halloween. So all of those things had like a strong association with the demonic for me. And what happened was in my teens, I got really big into just movies in general and watching classic movies. And so when I but when I graduated, I was like, well, I mean, a lot of horror movies are considered amongst the best movies ever made.

You got your exorcists, your Rosemary's babies, your omens and so forth. So I jumped in and started. That was really where I picked up was mainly watching those. And then I kind of expanded to watching like the the 2010s had like a murderer's row of like really good indie horror movies. Like you have like the Babadook and It Follows and The Witch and was it Don't Breathe and a bunch of other ones just coming out one after the other. And I was like, oh, yes, feed me. So that's that's basically that's what has led me to where I am today, I think, in terms of how I engage with horror. I love that.

Awesome. OK, well, let's talk about this movie. So you found it on an av club list uh and we i watched it with my buddy scott uh shout out to scott who also has a movie podcast called shoot the flick hey scott yeah hey scott uh he we watched it in my dorm room just on a lark to be like let's see if this is good we both really enjoyed it. It was we were like on the edge of our seats, especially by the end. We were like, well, it was wild. I've since shown it to other people and have had really mixed results.

Some people are like that movie was great. And other people are like, that was stupid. I was just waiting for them all to die. Why didn't they all die right away? And yeah, it's definitely a slow burn. It's definitely not for everybody. i i maintain that there's a lot to love about this movie or at least a lot to respect i enjoyed it and i found it like thoroughly creepy like i was creeped out afterwards which doesn't always happen with horror movies for me some like i'm pretty easily able to like and feel fine and this one stuck with me a bit it builds a lot of atmosphere and like the tone and look of

it all just kind of sticks with you yeah which is good which is nice i like it yeah this movie is big on the atmosphere that's really what for most of the movie that's what it's it's banking on it's just the atmosphere i think that's what's like hardest to watch for me. If, if the whole time it's just like, don't you feel gross? Isn't this freaky? I'm like, yeah, it is.

I don't, I don't want to be here. I've never even heard of this movie. I know nothing about it other than Sammy's got a background on her zoom right now that looks awful. And so I know I don't like that, but I know nothing about this movie. Oh,

and the guy from CSI Miami is in it. Now I know that. Yeah. Good old Horatio Cain from CSI Miami. David Caruso is in it. Yeah. I love the idea that like as you're watching an atmospheric horror movie, Emily, that like the director is sitting there like, eh, it's creepy, right? It's creepy.

It's real, real uncomfortable. Real spooky. That is absolutely this movie. It's also very similar? It's creepy. It's real, real uncomfortable. Real spooky. That is absolutely this movie. It's also very similar to The Shining. I don't know if you found that, Sammy, but I found that there's like a lot of Shining influence on it. Yeah, yeah. I could for sure see that. Yeah.

I will tell you that it has a 66% on Rotten Tomatoes, 58 on Metacritic, 6.4 on IMDb. Budget, 1.5 million. It made 1.6 million. Okay. Anddb budget 1.5 million it made 1.6 million falling across the finish line of profit um the movie takes place in an abandoned mental hospital and brad anderson the director wrote the script based on this exact abandoned mental hospital because he used to drive by it all the time. Danvers State Hospital. So this was the inspiration for the film. Where is Danvers?

Oh, I think it's on the East Coast. Let me check. Because one of my other pieces of trivia is that it is one location of the salem witch trials oh yeah it's in massachusetts yeah massachusetts is a creepy place it is a good one of the creepier settings yeah yeah uh and this this is easily one of the creepiest places in massachusetts like this this hospital looks like if Arkham Asylum like Every nightmare version of Arkham Asylum from Batman got made real It is an apartment

Building now I get that In one sense of it's a Really like Incredible looking building But how wouldn't you be so scared to Live there People like Henley who just straight up don't believe in ghosts.

And are like, there's no way this... Who cares, you know? But no, I wouldn't be able to do it. No. But I also feel like that's like the entire state of Massachusetts. It has haunted, right? Like, it's all haunted. That's true.

So, I guess... I guess if you've been living in Massachusetts long enough, you're used to it. They're used to it, you know? Thick skin. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You've accepted that at any point you could be dragged into another realm by some malevolent force. That's right.

But you won't be shocked to hear that some spooky things happened on set. This one just, I don't even know what to say about it. Actor Peter Mullen reported strange happenings on the set. mullen said strange reported strange happenings on the set he claims that while filming on the roof a voice in his head told him to jump off to see what would happen he said the building brought out a morbid kind of overactive curiosity i did i don't i don't i don't like that i don't like that that's like scarier than a ghost because it's like the build the building was just like hey you want to fuck shit up yeah you want to do something bad yeah that's like and honestly that fits with the theme of the movie too it's like very in line with yeah the movie like he's standing up there and he just hears do it peter do it don't you want to see what happened um so okay shall we watch this trailer

happen um so okay shall we watch this trailer all right yes oh i'm so excited i love uh like like what is this 2001 trailer gonna look like the movie looks very 2001 i'll say that that's fun i gotta get construction cruising here by columbus day so you gotta guess man how long i've got four really good guys one week. We're gone. That's fast I need the job So the loonies are outside in the real world and here we are with the keys to the loony bin boys Might actually want to be grateful and you're about to make some decent money What's the catch Patricia Willard scandal 1984? Remember what happened 24 years ago.

Use your imagination. These shrinks figured that with these new techniques they designed, they could release hidden memories. You can hear me. You okay? I want to go home. I wouldn't tell anybody about this. If they find out about Hank, they're going gonna find out about the others quit at the others

I Want to come home I am so sorry Good trailer Because I know Nothing about this movie still But it looks creepy Yeah That was a better trailer

Than I was expecting That's a good trailer And that Ew Ew It looks so gross in there It really is a nasty building and it's very cool that they were able to film in there because what a great location for a horror

movie if i drove by there every day like the director did i would want to make a horror movie in there too yeah apparently david caruso said they basically didn't even dress the sets half the time they just walked into the room. It was already terrifying. And they're like, cool, let's shoot here. Great. Yeah. Also, this is a guy from Sweet Home Alabama. A great film.

Josh Lucas. Josh Lucas. Yes. So I just enjoy picturing that while you tell me about a very different kind of movie. Yeah. Just go to your safe space. Sweet Home Alabama. Whenever anything gets rough. while you tell me about a very different kind of movie yeah just go to your safe space sweet home alabama whenever anything gets rough you know what happens when lightning hits sand i'll

just be thinking about that perfect perfect um oh boy freaky gross creepy oh and i don't like i don't like that at the end it's very upsetting in a horror movie when someone sounds so distressed. You know, like it's one thing to be like, like, like we've talked about, like, I hate to bring up fucking terrifiers again. But the terrifying movies. But like he he's having fun, you know, these none of these people sound like they're having fun. And that that's tough. They're like suffering. And I don't like that

yeah most of i feel like most of this movie is as you'll hear in a minute is built on just the conversations between these dudes it's just guys having conversations as people in a really scary place and you get the sense that there's weird stuff going on that nobody is really aware of or acknowledging yeah for most of the movie so that it was i think it's like 45 minutes in the movie when the first scary traditionally scary thing happens it's like all just kind of building up these characters and this setting. And yeah. Yeah. It is the definition of a slow burn. Not a long movie, but definitely a very slow burn. Yep.

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All right. Okay, Jeremy, you want to take it away and I can help as needed? Much like I jumped into the horror genre, I will jump in feet first with this recap. Love this attitude. As soon as I run out of steam, I will throw my hands up in the air and beg for you to come save me. I'll come save you. Perfect. So I think the I think it's worth mentioning the opening shot of this movie is just like you can't really tell what it is, but it's just weird sounds and just a hallway.

But you can't even tell it's a hallway because what it actually is, is a shot of a creepy chair upside down. It's like it's a shot of like a really creepy hallway with a chair at the end of it inside of the asylum, as we later learn, upside down. And then the image like I think it's solely flips. And then we hop from that into a car with our two main characters, our main main character played by Peter Mullen, Gordon, and then his best buddy and business partner, Phil, played by David Caruso. And it's like there's sort of like a fade in. You can tell that that Gordon's like not really all there.

He's exhausted. His wife and him just had a baby and the baby's been crying a lot. She has an ear infection. It's like, OK, so this dude, he's exhausted. He's at the he's he's fraying at the edges. And then it turns out that Phil and Gordon are business partners. They own an asbestos abatement company. And they have come to this

asylum to basically see it and give the guy a quote, an appraisal, and be like, this is how quickly we can do the job. This is how much it's going to cost. And we get some background about the asylum itself. They're walking around. We see just how incredibly creepy this place is.

It is the scariest place on Earth. It's funny because they were giving so much detail about the asylum that I kept thinking, like, these things are going to come back. They're like, oh, this is like the bath where they would do ice, like cold therapy with the patients. And I'm like, OK, that's going to none of it comes back. It's like they just had this building and they're like isn't this shit creepy and weird and it is yeah that is actually a criticism that i've seen of the movie in some places where people were like i thought that they were going to integrate more of like the asylum into the plot right and it's like no they're just showing us and i mean it is creepy so i get it i mean yeah it is it's basically introducing a character like the other major character is the asylum

itself and they're just letting you know that yeah the silo this character real scary just keep that in mind um yeah and yeah we see like weird sections like you like you mentioned sammy where they're like oh this is where they did the electroshock therapy. This is where they did that. This is where they did that. And eventually they get to the the creepy chair that we saw before. And there's like a moment where like Gordon stares at the chair and he hears like a voice speak to him for a moment. And then like we cuts away and then it's like, all right, how long is going to take you guys? And right before this, we understand that apparently the business is hurting like a lot.

They're on this is they need this. This is like a chorus line. God, I hope I get it. I really need this job sort of moment. Gordon is absolutely doing the full choreography internally at this moment. And he he basically promises to clean the entire place in a week. And this is hundreds of rooms. It's so big.

It's like twenty four hundred patients there at one time. It's so big. I'm like one. We'll do it in a week. It's like what? And to be fair, Phil is gives him this look like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, that's way too fast. But they really want this job.

So, yeah. So he promises like doing it at just an absurd rate. And I think from there, the next notable thing, there's there's a lot of this movie is just like really short clips that you don't really understand. short clips that you don't really understand. I was, I'll say for like the whole first act of the movie, I was confused by the filmmaking style. It's like not what you would normally see. Yes.

There's like scenes that just end in very weird ways. And also I was like thrown by David Caruso's voice. His voice feels like it's, he, he just sounds like such a voice actor. He has like, I don't even know how to describe it. It's just a crisp, perfect voice and every time he was speaking

I was just like so thrown by it. Kind of doesn't like match. God, the clarity of that voice. I don't know how to describe it. No, I know what you mean. He must do voice acting as well it's just like the perfect voice he's got the perfect voice it feels like he came back from like being a radio announcer yes in like the in like the 1950s or something where you need all this clarity of diction and specificity whereas everybody else is a lot more like natural in their delivery

he's like i think his performance still works yeah i think so definitely it's pitched differently than like uh interesting okay yeah peter mullen is scottish and i was like trying to just figure out if he was trying to do an american accent at first he's not he was doing his regular scottish accent but there were just certain words i'm like is he trying to do an american accent and so i don't know this. Just to say this added to my confusion in the beginning of the film. My settling into the film was a little bumpy, I guess. Yeah.

And then there's the mysterious other voice that keeps showing up in all of these weird little clip moments. And the first the first one we get is is Gordon sitting outside of his house. There's his dogs barking. His wife's out front with their little baby uh he makes eye contact with her it's kind of gloomy and then like they go inside and it looks like he's about to go inside and then i think there's like it's just like and then we're back like it worked the next day he has roses in his hand and as he's getting out of the car we hear voiceover presumably, presumably his wife saying, roses, they're lovely.

What's the occasion, Gordon? And it's this really weird disembodied voice. And then it yeah, then there's a weird noise and it cuts to black. It's very bizarre and intentionally so. But yeah, it was really throwing me. Yeah. What the fuck is going on at this point? Yeah. What the fuck is going on at this point? Yeah.

And then I think I think after that is when we get the first of our The Shining title cards. This this movie takes place over a week and every similar to The Shining where where they'll be like Tuesday. Except in this movie, I'm glad they don't accompany it with scare chords. This movie, I'm glad they don't accompany it with scare chords because something just be like Tuesday works a lot better for me than just being like, it's Tuesday. I'm trying to make that the scariest thing in the world. Yeah. And they're just doing the job. We get to meet the rest of the dudes on the job.

We meet Michael, who Mike used to be. I think he went to college to be a lawyer for like a year and then dropped out. We meet Hank, who's just a douche who is dating Phil's, I think, ex-girlfriend. Yes, it's like Phil's girlfriend left him for Hank. But we're introduced to him by him saying to Phil, your girlfriend says hi. And I thought it was just the kind of thing that you like say to be an asshole. And it's like, oh no, he actually did steal his girlfriend. He is an asshole. He did steal his girlfriend. Also, I learned

Hank is short for Henry. Because Phil calls him Henry. I didn't know that. I didn't know that that was... One of those surprising nicknames. I was like, why is he calling him Henry? Yeah, Hank seems like it can be its own name. It's weird that... I don't know how you get from Henry to Hank. I don't know.

It's like Jack and John. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I bet it is its own name sometimes. Because some people just are named Jack. Yeah. I'm sure at this point some people just are named Henry.

I mean, Hank. Not Henry. You get it. There's got to be Hanks out there that are just Hanks. Just Hanks. I love the idea, though, that Henry came second and that like before Henry the eighth, like Henry was the nickname of like Hank the fourth. There's been like seven Hanks.

So, yeah. So I guess, well, we also meet Jeff, who a doofus uh with a mullet who is gordon's nephew he's never worked in this before gordon basically brought him on to try and have an extra body there to get stuff done because they have so much work to do um and i think this is something that i really it really drove home to me uh really like showed up for me as i was watching it most recently which is that despite the urgency of the situation there's very little urgency to the individual scenes it's true huh they're just sort of chatting like they're they're doing work but you don't see people like all right cool gotta move it like we only have a week yeah they'll have moments where a guy will walk into a scene and be like guys pick it up

Pick it up we only got a week But the whole scene has just been guys like Alright here we go another day another dollar Uh At a very normal pace Um I'll just say I feel like It's worth mentioning that we see that Gordon is limping he says he thinks he

Pulled something Very true. So we see Phil is getting he's like pretty quickly trying to bring in another guy for the job and wanting to have like a additional person there. He keeps mentioning Craig and get rid of Hank. He wants to swap out Hank for Craig. Oh, right. Because he hates Hank. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There is a scene in which the one of the machines they're using loses power. And so Mike tells Jeff to go check the breaker. And he says, I can't. I have nyctophobia,

which means he's scared of the dark. And so Mike goes down and in the breaker room, he finds an evidence box. That's this. This is like one of the key elements, I feel like, for the rest of the movie. In fact, it has, among other things, recordings of sessions. And that's where we get the title. He starts from session one.

I was very excited to see that. You know, when you love, you're like, oh, the title. The title. Yep. Yeah. It's these sessions with this young woman named Mary Hobbs. The psych. She was a patient at the asylum and her doctor is talking to her. And over the course of these conversations, we discover that Mary is here because of some kind of an incident that occurred when she was a child.

incident that occurred when she was a child. She's now an adult. But either prior to or after, as a result of that incident, she's developed dissociative identity disorder. And we start to we notice this. We understand this because partway through it, she starts to get stressed as the doctor trying to ask her about the event, whatever it was. And she's like, I don't remember. And she starts she's like starts kind of moaning.

And the doctor is like, the is now uh pulling at her mouth uh and then mary starts speaking again but it doesn't sound like mary it sounds like a little girl uh named princess and the first altar has has emerged and i got i gotta take off if i was wearing a hat i'd absolutely take it off for the voice actress who plays all of the uh different personalities she does a great job uh with her performance in this because it literally is one person that's doing all four yeah yeah it's why they did put effects on on simon uh but it is the same person performing at all yeah impressive and uh princess is like a little girl she's happy go lucky just innocent like yay here i am and then uh you there's two other personalities that we

hear mentioned one of them is peter uh and she seems to be like feel positively about peter but i think he's asleep as she's talking that's why we aren't talking to peter peter is her real life brother or oh you're right you're right uh peter is her real life brother or. Oh, you're right. You're right. Peter was her real life brother. And Billy is the is the boy. Yes. Thank you.

Yeah. Billy is the is the boy that one other. He's like the another altar who lives there. And then Simon is the other one. And every time they mention Simon, there's like this this chill that travels through the conversation. It's like, oh, no. Yeah. Yeah.

Simon's the scary one. Billy is apparently friendly and benevolent. But that's as that's happening, because that's like the first conversation. Correct me if I'm wrong. Is it at the end of the first day that is it on the first day that hank finds the coins or is that day two i think it's day two isn't it it's the next day um but yeah but that's basically all that just to our earlier point of them not working that fast uh they stopped listening to a bunch of tapes spends a lot of time listening to these tapes yes um but yeah so that that night we see again just a brief shot of gordon parked outside of his

house the tone is very weird it's raining and he's looking at the house and music is playing we don't know what is going on in this scene and then he looks down and on his leg there's like a wet spot and he reaches to touch it and screams out in pain and again we cut to cut to black and then now we're back at the hospital the next day and yep yep this is where hank finds some coins yeah uh hank was going down into the bowels of this place which are somehow creepier than the upper levels. Yeah. You tend to, it gets,

it gets creepier the further you get from the center. So you go down creepy. You go up too high. Creepy. Yeah. Yeah. That is exactly what happens in this movie. You got to stay at the center, man.

That's just the rule. The eye of the hurricane, the only safe spot, the eye of the asylum. But he finds a little coin, an antique coin From the 1800s down there And he's like, whoa And he's like, there must be more of these down here

And he goes and starts looking And finds a little open spot on a wall Pulls out a brick and just a pile of coins Like hundreds of coins come pouring out Along with teeth and a ring. Oh, no. And yeah. And he's like, oh, man, I got to come back later for these.

The camera, meanwhile, reveals that this is from the crematorium on the other side of the wall is the crematorium. And so this these all belonged to patients who perished. So that we cut back to a later session and this time uh billy emerges she starts grabbing i think she starts rubbing at her eyes mary's rubbing at her eyes on the recording and then billy comes out and he billy sounds sort of like this he's a real plucky sort of a youngster little boy like a he was a member of the hardy boys that's like the vibe he gives um and he's like protective as well he's the one who's like i'm here to try and help keep things safe you know i'm i'm the only one who can tell you who can protect us from the bad stuff

uh and he's he's talking about he explains actually that uh princess in fact lives in the mouth uh because she's always talking and that Billy lives in the eyes. I think because he sees everything. Is that why? Because he's always essentially because he's watching over. And then we don't know where Simon lives. They don't say where Simon lives at this point. We just know that Simon is there. And Simon also apparently knows what happened in that incident. And Simon also apparently knows what happened in that incident. Billy and apparently Simon both know. And and Billy does not feel comfortable saying whatever that incident was.

But I think it's on this day that as as Mike is like looking through the stuff that he'd found, he finds Mary's actual file. And so he sees a picture of Mary as an adult, some family photos of her as a child, as well as what appear to be like intake photos when they brought her in. Or at least at some point they took a photo. It's of her like with her hands over her chest. But you can see scars that look like a lot of like cut marks or something on her chest. But it's not clear where those came from exactly. What else happens? It's so hard. Oh, is this when we have the lobotomy conversation yep oh yeah on a lunch break yeah our second big lunch break conversation i even forgot the first one the first one is when they talk about uh uh patricia

was it um yes the young woman who who who who basically they were talking about how these places, why all these asylums closed in the late 80s. And it was a combination of budget cuts. But also, apparently there was a scandal where at least in this I think in this asylum in particular, there was allegedly a patient who claimed that she had been basically as a child forced to participate in all sorts of like satanic sexual rituals involving her family for years and years. And he was going into detail to the point where even it's upsetting. Yeah. Gordon is like, bro, stop. Stop.

This is too much. This is some grotesque stuff he's describing. And apparently what happened was it was all set to go to court. describing and apparently what happened was it was all set to go to court and then it was revealed that she it was some kind like a false memory or something that she had created either it had been uncovered through like hypnotherapy or something but that it had never even happened and that she was actually a virgin and that not like it was all fake and i guess that caused such a scandal that it helped bring about the end of this asylum and i believe that's based on like a lot of the satanic panic stuff from the 80s where people

would be like oh i was hypnotized and now i remember all this wild abuse that happened to me by satanists when i was a kid yeah and a number of those i think were found to have been false so i think that's where they they took that from yep um but this day i believe is when we get the as you said and sammy the the lobotomy conversation which is essentially just mike uh who is annoyed at uh jeff for just being a doofus uh he grabs jeff and holds like a chopstick up to his eye and basically describes the procedure for lobotomy which is you insert usually like a pick uh in through the orbital lobe like through our orbital socket essentially next to the eye push it through and then push it up a couple of times to sever the front part of

the brain and yeah and it's like the whole scene is just like oh i this that is one of the moments in the movie where i feel like if that was a real conversation somebody would have stepped in sooner you can't mime you can't mime lobotomizing your co-worker and have everybody else just be like yeah this is fine uh no but no no no the ending of the monologue is great because he's like uh what does he say the the most notable side effect uh black eye uh recommended prescription sunglasses yeah which is important it'll that'll come up later yep there's also this day, there's some mention of seeing some cracks in Gordon. Like the new baby is taking, like he's not getting enough sleep and he's, they've never seen him lose his composure before, but they're starting to see some cracks is what Hank says. And we see Gordon calling his wife, like away from the other guys he like goes into a room and calls

his wife and he like doesn't look great and he just looks like very stressed out and he says can we talk like we need to talk about it and we don't hear any of the conversation but as he's standing at this window he looks outside and he sees phil talking to two guys that he doesn't recognize and he looks confused and suspicious about whatever conversation is happening over there and we're not entirely sure why but the vibe is weird we're on edge yeah this Yeah. This whole movie is just weird, like, slightly off things, and it's like, huh, what's the deal with that? And the movie goes,

exactly, and sort of, like, floats away. Exactly. So, I guess the next big scene, which is the first overtly scary, like, traditionally scary scene, is that Hank comes, he sneaks back in now these guys are supposed to once the lights go down once it's dark uh gordon has made it very clear he does

not want anybody here after dark so hank basically has to sneak back into the asylum to go and collect these coins and while he's down there finally looking at the teeth looking at the rings and getting all the coins putting them in a bag he's got like his jazz playing on his cd player he's wearing fucking headphones blasting music in an abandoned mental hospital it's just absolutely not i just couldn't believe it it's shocking a shocking choice absolutely not but to be fair it seems like he still can kind of hear everything he he does hear noises behind him and so i guess he's playing it low enough headphone technology had only gotten so far in 2001 yeah they weren't in-ear headphones they were just like the fuzzy exactly uh yeah he hears the noise goes and investigates uh and like as we're you know

we're sitting here on the edge of our seats and then like a silhouette appears at the end of the hall that he's shining his light he's like oh no he takes off uh it's thank goodness as he's running i think he he stumbles upon something and it's like oh no it's caught up and then it's just a bird like a pigeon had flown in here at night and he's like oh thank goodness oh and then we get that uh that evil dead style camera movement that's like no no no and something moving around the corner towards him and he's like and that's the end of the scene cuts to black so something appears to befallen hank and that that becomes even more evident when h Hank does not show up the next day.

And everybody's like, well, where's Hank? Of course. Of course, our boy Phil is immediately like, mm hmm. See, I told you. Yeah. Fuck Hank. Yeah. He goes and call.

Exactly. I told you this guy was awful. She'd gotten rid of him already. He goes to call his ex-girlfriend to check in uh on what happened to hank and over the course of the conversation apparently it becomes apparently it turns out that hank came home late last night took all of his stuff packed up and left said he found his golden ticket yes and that he and he bolted to mi Miami to go to casino school. Casino school? A very strange sentence.

But it's, I guess that he like thought he had hit it rich with those coins. And I guess they probably are worth money. They're like old coins, but it didn't look, you know, like. And how's casino school going to help him? Casino school really threw me. What is casino school? Is casino school to make a casino? I think so. To be a dealer?

No, to build a casino, you go to casino school. Or something. Like, I think the idea is that the coins are seed money, and he's going to, like, start his own casino now. Sure. Well, we need a school for people like that. Yeah, I guess so. Casino school.

Anybody that's been to casino school, let us know what it was like. It's definitely in Florida. Did you have to take an entrance exam? Yeah. And what was on it? What do you major in at casino school? Yeah, are there different paths? Yeah, exactly. I have in at casino school? Yeah. They're different paths. Yeah, exactly.

Uh, I have like a minor in blackjack. Gordon is like being weird. There's he's staring at this kind of gazebo ish thing. Not quite a gazebo, but gazebo adjacent. And he's feeling weird. He's feeling very unsettled by Hank not being there. And he's saying something's not right here. And Phil is looking at him suspiciously.

Like, what are you talking about? And then he looks at Phil and says, who are the two guys you were talking to yesterday? And it gets kind of heated between them. He like, it's like confrontational. He's like, who were those guys? And Phil is like, what the fuck? Like, what are you talking about? And he tries to walk away and he says don't you walk away from me and he like grabs him and he's like screaming at him and it's this like fight that

they have and i can't remember i think they like walk away and someone says like oh man father fatherhood is really screwing with his mind. Or like he's really. Yeah, that's what it is. He's really not doing well. And we see Gordon goes down to the graveyard. That's at the mental hospital, of course. And he calls his wife again and he says, can you forgive me? Yeah, he's just really looking like he's not doing well.

And we see mike again listening to some tapes is still asking where is simon they're saying we don't um oh this is billy is saying he doesn't want to tell mary what happened the doctor is saying like, it can, you, you can help Mary by telling her what happened. And he says, Mary's a nice girl. Mary's a nice girl. She doesn't need to know those kinds of things. And he's like, okay, well, Simon can tell me what happened, right? Can you get Simon? He's too scared to wake up Simon. Um, oh, and then yes. Uh. And then Gordon and Phil sit down together. Yeah. At the end of the day. Yeah. I think Gordon recognizing that he can't keep acting like this basically decides to level with his buddy.

And he's like, look, when on the first night after we had landed the job, I went home to try and celebrate with my wife. we had landed the job, I went home to try and celebrate with my wife. Uh, and I walked over to her and she turned around and accidentally spilled some boiling water all over my leg. Like it was a complete accident jumble where I'm trying to embrace her. Suddenly my legs on fire and I hit her and it's like, Oh no. Uh, and, and Phil's like, Oh, Whoa oh whoa that's that's not good and he's like yeah i feel so bad like i can't even go home i i'm i feel i'm torn up about it because i it was it was like a reflex i don't even know that's i don't know what came over me uh but i'm trying to make up for it and you know i'm sorry to have brought that to you and i think with him exposing that uh phil feels comfortable enough to be like look those guys are guys who like there's just some kids who like to come here and graffiti and do stuff like that.

So I paid those guys to make sure that nobody breaks in here while we are working just to keep them out of our way. No more graffiti, nothing that could mess up with our work. And so I'm trying to look out for us all. And it's like, oh, like oh okay cool they've leveled they seem to just need to talk to each other everybody just needs to talk to each other exactly uh they've talked it out everybody's feeling better um i think i think uh at some point uh i don't remember when it's revealed but i think uh i don't think it's a huge spoiler, but that essentially the grave that that that Gordon was sitting above as he called his wife was actually Mary's grave. Yep. Mary is buried in that cemetery and he was calling his wife from her grave site seemingly by coincidence.

Like he doesn't look down at it. He's just kind of chilling. And is there anything else big that happens that day or do we go to the dream then after that dream sequence? Yeah. Which is like a weird dream sequence where I think we hear like snippets of dialogue from throughout the movie up to this point. We see like it's not even clear if it is a dream at first, but it's like a shot of like Gordon standing there in his full suit, his full like asbestos abatement suit type thing.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then is this the first is this the first do it, Gordon, that we get? Yeah, we hear it's like as the as the sound effects are building in the weirdness. And I think we hear like Wendy's voice again, like we're seeing the pot of water boiling on the stove. Mm hmm. And we're watching we're watching him go to go into the house again with all like the peanut butter and the roses and everything. And that's where we hear the do it, Gordon. And then suddenly, yeah, his his hazmat suit is covered in blood and there's a

stock scream that wendy gives out that is a sound effect that i recognize from numerous youtube videos she gives out a scream and this splatter and it's like ah and then we see that gordon dreamed this sitting in the i guess parking lot of the asylum in the company van uh just sleeping on site and he's he's not doing well he like looks down at his leg and remember that wet spot now he like he i think his leg is completely bare and we see what looks like a nasty like burn on it it's needs immediate medical attention it's a horrible third his skin is covered in blisters it's so bad yeah it is yeah it is something that left untreated it not only would scar but could get a lot worse uh and he pours like some ointment on it but look at it it's like muddy it needs so much more than

that yeah this ain't gonna cut it yeah so um i think the the next day is am I am I correct in thinking that Craig is supposed to arrive at some point on the following day? Phil has called Craig. Yes, I think. I don't know if it's this day or the next. We see during Phil and Gordon's conversation, Gordon asked Phil not to tell anybody about what he confided in him about. And the next day, Phil walks right up to Mike and he's like, Gordon's becoming a liability. He hit his wife. Like he just, it's so crazy. He's just, it's crazy He even pulls him away

From the work in the most suspicious Way He's like we need to talk We're in the middle of like I have to go downstairs We have to talk Now And just leaves Jeff there to go fix the problem As they go and conspire

Over what's happening with Gordon I just couldn't i couldn't believe it yeah and he immediately comes in so hard with like he's a liability we gotta get rid of him and it's like oh my gosh did you know he hit his wife he hit his wife literally like that he says it just like that and we see that gordon is within earshot hearing this. Aye, aye, aye. And he slowly approaches them and they very quickly change their tune. They say, we were just talking about Jeff and how he's doing here. And Gordon, yeah, Gordon.

We were talking about somebody else. After like a 15 second pause, it feels. Yeah. He walks up. They stop talking and stare for a long time. Yeah. And they all are pretty sure that everybody's heard everything, but we're all going to act like it's fine. And hey, yep.

All right. I guess back to work for us. It's it's so blatantly like where they're like, we were talking about your nephew. Mm hmm. Staring at him him it's so awkward and then we see jeff is in a different part of the building and he sees hank up on the floor above him he and he yeah spots him like looking out a window and he's like he as he's like looking up at him he's still got his headphones on he's not dressed for work he's just standing there and he's like what are you doing

here as as jeff is just staring at him uh as he's like wearing sunglasses just gazing out the window and he's like uh uh and immediately runs grabs Everybody else because he also like puts His hand on the window and there's some blood So Jeff Jeff is like something's not Right here this is I mean He's certainly not in Miami at casino school He's not exactly school did not Go well

Beat a hasty retreat But he runs he runs and grabs the rest of the group And this is where It feels like things really have started to kick off in the movie at this point because it's like okay now we have explicit mysteries what is happening the group is falling apart uh there they run to the spot where where hank allegedly was he's not there but the coin he had was still there and phil is as they're like walking over there phil is being aggressively weird about it, like being like he can't be here.

He's at casino school. Amy said he's at casino school. And like you all heard or you all heard her say that. And Gordon's shifty eyes like like he's like, we didn't hear her say that. Like you were on the phone with her. We see that Gordon is suspicious of this. And it's like, let me see your phone or like it's it's weird. It's this like vibe of they're they're all not trusting each other now.

And in the midst of that confrontation, you hear footsteps running at an upper level. And they're all like, oh, and now we're like, oh no, Jeff's like, it's Hank. They're like, okay, we got to figure out. Let's split up. Gordon's like, Mike and Jeff, you go over here. Phil, you're coming with me.

And he turns and then we hear the most in my opinion, the single most memorable moment of the entire film from off screen here. Hey, and he turns and we have the most dramatic zoom i've ever seen as phil points and furiously says fuck you it's really funny it like really stood out to me as just this very comedic moment uh that is perfect and i'm so happy that it's in here it's great hey hey fuck you so good every single as i said there's a couple of moments that hit for everybody that one every single group

i've watched it with has fallen out uh when me when i my friend watched that for the first time we were like on the edge of our seats and that made us laugh so hard yeah the movie has built so much to this and we fell out of our chairs laughing like we had to stop the movie for a while we really took you out of it yeah it is it's so popular that like i think the video of this on on youtube has over a million views of just him going, hey, fuck you. I'm going to look at it. Yeah, you should. You got to watch that. If you watch any bit of this movie, it should be that one moment.

Yeah. And also the shot of Gordon's face. He looks so horrified in response to Phil. Just like very funny. Scandalized. It was you. And I think at that point they all split up yep uh they all start going to different spots big scary abandoned of course of course yeah um so gordon runs upstairs to investigate the noise uh phil runs into the basement i think jeff goes to a different part of the basement and of course mike when tensions are at their highest runs back

and starts listening to the tapes again. I will say those are the funny, because it's just like purely for plot reasons, so that that's how they can structure this moment. But it's just so funny to imagine him being like, I got to go listen to the tapes right now. Yeah. He's visibly shaking as he turns the tape on, no less.

Like he is out, he's terrified, so scared. It's so tense. He's like, I just got to hear more. I as he turns the tape on, no less. Like he is out. He's terrified. So scared. It's so tense. He's like, I just got to hear more. I got to hear the tape. Listen to more of these comforting videotapes. It's also like Mike's character is doesn't seem to be at all trying to solve any mystery. Like it's not like he's the one that's suspecting something is going on. So it really doesn't make that much sense for him to be so dedicated to listening to these tapes.

But we need somebody to listen to them. Yep. And I almost wish that they had started playing on their own, but maybe that would have been too overtly supernatural. Right. But he plays, I believe this tape he plays is session nine. He's gotten all the way up to session nine. And once again uh we hear

the psychiatrist asking to talk to simon i think it's billy again refusing to get him the psychiatrist keeps pushing billy's like almost in tears uh meanwhile as this is happening gordon is looking deeper and deeper upstairs like through the labyrinth of the of this asylum you see that um uh that uh jeff has gone into the hallway that you see on sammy's uh screen the hallway which is this weird tunnel that is filled with look like it looks like hazmat suits but they're like in one piece so you see just all these hands and it feels like such a setup for a horror scene because anyone can be in one of those suits and you would not see them uh and so as he's down there the generator even is starting to go on the fritz and the recording is becoming more and more distorted and garbled uh as the

power gets like weaker and weaker uh phil is downstairs looking he starts to see items of clothing down there like he sees a shoe some other clothes piled up he hears the music the jazz just hauntingly playing throughout the cavernous underbelly of this asylum and finally he happens upon phil or excuse me not phil uh he's not phil phil happens upon uh hank in his underwear just crouching. And he's still staring off into space, still wearing sunglasses. And he once again is like, what are you doing here? And then the power like kicks off, like it completely turns off. Just as it sounds like we're about to hear from Simon and Billy has like had a breakdown

and the recording stops, all the lights start to go out. And of course,ff is terrified of the dark oh right oh i mean in this moment you're crazy if you're not scared but that would make it worse yes and as he's down there all the lights start to go out one by one so it's like a wall of darkness this just starts like coming towards him he It's a great shot. He starts running. It's so good. It's in the trailer. That's the other part that everybody likes. Yeah, you see a glimpse of it in the trailer as he's just sprinting away, being chased

by a wall of darkness, screaming and crying as it eventually catches up to him and he vanishes. There's like a shot of him later. You can hear him just like hyperventilating and sobbing. It cuts away from from Phil. We don't really know what Phil does, but he Phil. I feel like David Caruso's expressions are purposefully enigmatic. Like he looks very intent, but you're not sure what he's thinking.

He's just like he's got like a grim look on his face. And we have I think it cuts back to Gordon, who at this point has has wandered upstairs and sees the chair, the weird, creepy chair from the beginning. And he he like goes in, I think, near the chair and walks up past it. And there's like a room that the light is coming through and illuminating the chair. And he starts walking around this room. We start to realize that this is Mary's room that he's in. And you can see like all these strange photos that Mary had put up in her room. There's one of I think the one that was most memorable for me was a shot of a chimpanzee

holding its dead baby. And then next to it was like a human holding either a doll or a dead baby. And there's like a headline that I forget what the headline is, but even the headline is provocative in some way. It's like they thought it wasn't real or something. Disturbing images. Yeah. And the other thing is we noticed that there are photos. And I don't know if it's like something that you consciously realize in the moment,

but we've actually seen a couple of these photos before that he's looking at. There's like photos of like a baby. And it's like, what? Wait a minute. Haven't we seen that baby? As he's like looking at the baby and as he's like up there, he gets a buzz on his he gets a buzz from his walkie talkie. Yeah. And it's Phil. And he's like, Gordon, we need you like come back. Where are you? And he's like, oh, I'm upstairs. Like, OK, I'll come find you. And he's like, OK. and he's like gordon uh we need you like come back where are you and he's like oh i'm upstairs like okay i'll come find you and he's like okay and he's like i found phil or he said i think i think he does he say he found hank or does he uh does uh does he just like i have to come find you it's strangely as a lot of things in this movie are it's like not enough information

is being said in these moments where he's like okay i'll come to you and yeah he sounds calmer than he should knowing what he just saw and so yeah and how freaked out he just was from the darkness and so a lot of this like in this part of the movie i'm just yeah like what is going on who can we trust which is what is yeah though everybody is Also asking themselves And as he's walking upstairs we see he's Holding a blade like he's holding a knife As Phil is walking towards Where where Where Gordon is he's literally

Holding a knife and he's got like this real grim Look on his face and it's like oh No did Phil snap Did he kill did he kill Hank Just now what is going on I don't even know what Mike is doing And it's like, oh, no. Did Phil snap? Did he kill? Did he kill Hank just now? What is going on? I don't even know what Mike is doing at this point. I think Mike is just listening to tapes.

Yeah. Hoping the tapes come back on. Yep. And thankfully, Jeff manages to find his way outside. He is like running around the side of the asylum, tearing off his suit, like covered in sweat. He makes it back to the van, opens the van and just collapses inside. I was just sitting there breathing, trying to relax, get his heart rate under control. Meanwhile, Phil arrives up there with Gordon and he's like, I found Hank.

And he's like, what? And I think it's it starts to get unreal again, because I don't think we really see what becomes of their interaction. But it gets like, huh? That's right. And then we cut. Yeah. Yeah. And then we cut outside.

At some point, the like power comes back on and the tapes do come back on. And yes, we hear the voice of Simon for the first time. And it's this sinister voice that we realize was the same voice that we've been hearing that. Do it, Gordon. We hear like, hello, duck. And the doctor is like, hello, Simon. And they start to have a conversation. And Simon just sounds like the most villainous person. It's a really creepy voice.

It really is. He relishes every word in like that classic British villain style, even though he doesn't have an English accent. He sounds like like Scar from The Lion King. It's just so sinister. And he's he's like the psychiatrist, like, can you tell me what happened to Mary? And he's like, you know, and he's like, well, I'd like to hear it from you. And he starts to describe the events as as Simon starts to describe. We cut back out to Jeff, who gets like a buzz on his walkie talkie.

It's like a voice walks through. It's like, where are you? And you're not like a voice squawks through he's like where are you and you're not sure who exactly said it and he's like oh hey i'm out by the van uh please just come get me i i got trapped down there but i'm okay uh please just come in and and they're like okay and you don't really know who said it or what and then as he's sitting there he grabs some oreos starts eating the oreos uh and then we have another one of those evil dead shots where the camera starts moving towards him unnervingly quickly. And he stands up and he's like, oh, hey, sorry, I just had some of the Oreos.

I and then like this camera just gets really close up to him and then we cut away again. And the the the voice of Simon continues. And he's like, he starts to describe what had happened that night. He's like, what happened with Peter? What did Peter do? Peter being Mary's older brother. Yeah. And he's like, Peter was a real naughty.

He scared Mary and she fell and she fell onto her doll, her China doll. It cut her up, Doc. It cut her up, Doc. It cut her up real bad. And it's like, as this is happening, we see another car pull in, and it's Craig. Our buddy Craig is here. And Craig is like, hey. Like, Craig is the most upbeat man in this entire film.

He's like like all right he goes walking into the asylum like hey and he walks into like this room that they'd covered in plastic and i think but oh no that actually happens a little bit later because he shows up uh as as all of the weirdness is occurring. Simon continues after the doll cutter up real bad. He's like, so I told Mary to take the knife and cut up Peter real bad and then to do it to the rest of the family. And like we start to understand, like, oh, my gosh, we understand what those scars were on Mary's chest. We understand what became of the rest of the family and then gordon i think arrives in the in the plastic room this is before craig

has gotten there gordon arrives and he sees hank lying on the ground just not really moving wearing sunglasses just staring up into space and he's like like, huh? And then and then Phil is there. And Phil's like, look, man, you need to wake up. And he's like, what are you talking about? What happened to Hank? He's like, look, we are at the end of our rope here. OK, we got to pull it together. He's like, I don't understand what's going on. He's like, wake up. And he's like, I don't what? And Phil's just confused. Basically, the whole conversation is Gordon being confused and Phil repeatedly telling him to wake up in increasingly angry and sinister ways. And he he starts to look down at him.

He's just look down at Hank and he's like, take a good look at Hank. Phil says, take a real good look at Hank. They got to take a real close look. And Gordon's like, OK, goes down and he removes hank's sunglasses and there is a lobotomy pic embedded through one of hank's eyes and he's like what and he looks up and phil's gone no and then craig comes walking in and he's like hey hey, buddy, what's up? And he's like, what is, what's going, what's that? Like pointing at the apparent dead body lying on the ground. It's so funny because if you walked into a room with, it's just plastic tarp and there's like a almost naked body, dead looking body on the floor.

And he makes it all the way to Gordon before he spots it. He like basically is like patting him on the back. He's like, hey, what's up? It's like you would see the body from 40 feet away. You would have seen that down the hall. You would have been like, oh, hey, man. Oh, what's wrong? Is he OK?

Like, I think it would have been one of those. It shouldn't be on the floor, no matter what. Yeah. Like, do you need me to call the police? Like, I feel like that would have been. But he makes it all the way down there, which means that Gordon is able to grab him because you hear like the do it, Gordon, again. And Gordon grabs Craig and like puts him in a headlock, wrestles him to the ground.

And Craig's like, well, what are you doing? What are you doing? And you see you watch as Gordon reaches over, removes the pick from Hank's head, which is such an effective effect because it doesn't just come out. The head comes up with it at first and he has to like pull it out. The head falls back down

and then he takes it in his hand and then you hear, do it, Gordon, again. And you watch as he slowly drives this pick into Hank's or into Craig's eye. And the soundtrack is going nuts. It's like almost like a carnival yes that's what i wrote it's like almost arcade sounding yeah it's it's very disorienting and there's still like high-pitched screeches it's just like so much grosser that it just came out of somebody else's head. And it's like, it hasn't been cleaned. Like,

wipe it off. Yeah. Just like straight out of one eye into another. I really don't like that. It is. It is far from sanitary. And he, he basically lobotomizes Craig and Craig,

like stop struggling and is just kind of lying there and then we start to see like flashback moments of of Gordon killing the other members of the team so you see like Phil confronting him he's like I just saw Hank he's he's all messed up he's he's all messed up

and he said you did it to him and then you see like Gordon rush at Phil and he's you did it to him and then uh you see like gordon rush at phil and he's like and then we see gordon uh as as mike having listened to the tape is now walking through uh the the asylum trying to find everybody else gordon comes running up partially covered in blood and just jumps in from behind uh and then we see the shot of Jeff looking up, seeing Gordon, who frankly is fully covered in blood at this point. It's so funny for Jeff to not be immediately scared. Jeff's just like, hey, Gordon, like, I'm sorry I was eating your Oreos.

He's drenched in blood, like holding a knife in his hand, like walking towards him. So scary. It's so funny. And he's walking so fast, too. Like he is power walking towards him. And he's walking so fast, too. Like he is power walking towards him. We see Jeff.

And as each person is is killed, we then see their bodies on display in this in this plastic tarp covered room, like in little side rooms. So you can see all of those like fast shots that that was Gordon. Yeah. Coming at them. Yeah. And we then get I even though i literally just watched the movie the other day i cannot remember is it a voiceover that explains or is it just that we we we hear it i think we hear it don't we yeah we hear that scene from earlier we see like gordon

watching his family getting the stuff getting the roses which by the way i i realized we didn't mention we actually glimpsed the roses in the asylum earlier with a bunch of paint over them it's like a little side bit where like hank is going around in there and he happens upon some roses and he's like huh and just like moves on just the camera doesn't like focus on them but they're in the shot and he he apparently sees them and is like oh that, that's weird. And just moves on. But we see we see him starting to go in and we hear like we hear his wife like, oh, hey, honey. Oh, not now. Not now.

I'm working with honey. Stop. Wait. And actually spills. And then we hear do it, Gordon. And he's like, oh. And we hear his wife go. And we like the sound of him hitting his wife.

It's really upsetting. Yeah. Yeah. And then anything but just the sounds. All you all you just know. Yeah. Yeah. And what we what we see is the photos of that baby that we now realize were family photos that Gordon had had earlier in the film that he put up in Mary's room.

And in fact, his family photos are now in the room with like bloody fingerprints on them. And we hear the sound of the confrontation between Gordon and his wife that escalates from hitting to full stabbing. And then we hear the dog barking. And then we again hear the do it, Gordon.

And the dog barking gets cut off abruptly. And then we hear a baby crying. And we once again hear the do it off abruptly. And then we hear a baby crying. And we once again hear the do it, Gordon. And then the then we hear Gordon yell. And then it cuts to Gordon sitting in the van in the rain outside of his house, just staring at the house so forlornly, like heartbroken. And that's when we see like the bloody handprints all over the photos in the asylum in Mary's room. And we,

it cuts back to Gordon just like sitting in, I think he's like standing in the room looking at the different photos. And there's like, there's one thing I haven't mentioned or that we haven't mentioned is that we see photos of Mary that grow increasingly terrifying. Like the first one is like, oh, it's a normal like woman in her 30s. Then the next one is like her from like a profile looking in the most murderous, sinister way. And then we get the most sinister of all.

She's giving a full on Kubrick stare at the camera. And this is like superimposed over Gordon's face as he's standing there. And this is like superimposed over Gordon's face as he's standing there. And the ending, the ending of the movie is the the voice. Simon starts speaking again. And the doctor asks Simon, he's like, and where do you live, Simon? And Simon says, I live in the weak and the wounded dock. And that's the end of the movie oh there's like a very sad

moment just before too of um Gordon on a smashed phone like a broken phone that clearly is not working talking into it saying Wendy please don't hang up I want to come home I want to hold you I want to hold my baby can you forgive me it's like so so devastating and yep that's just that's the end oh my god

so when he was telling phil like i hit her he actually had killed her and his baby and and yeah okay so i guess in retrospect phil was right to immediately be like oh yeah it's true it's fair not so crazy for him to have been talking but perhaps he should have you know left yeah yeah uh it's it is and like there's the the i think one of the interesting themes of the movie is the idea that something can like get inside of you and be there because there's these guys are as it been asbestos abatement team and so there's a constant risk of asbestos getting into your lungs and there's even a conversation on the first day between hank and uh hank and jeff because jeff doesn't really know anything about this so he walks in with a boom box and starts playing like

hard rock and jeff's like or uh and uh and's like, look, the vibrations of that are going to release spores. And those spores can get into your lungs and kill you. And he starts to explain how, for all you know, some of the asbestos he holds up a piece. Some of this could have already gotten into your lungs. And you may not know for 20 years. It just attaches itself in there and your body forms a little pearl a protective pearl around it and 20 years from now that could burst and before you know it you're drowning in your own fluids and it's just like oh and that kind of the theme of something could be dwelling inside of you

growing inside of you don't know exactly god and there's a real question of like whether i don't know what you what you felt, Sammy, but I felt like there's a real question of whether or not like is Simon just, both of them were in like their initial things were in moments where they were scared or like caught off. And, you know, when you're like scared and you do something out of like a complete instinctual reaction. I thought that was Interesting like an animal like when you Like back an animal into a corner It'll attack you even if it's not like a An aggressive yeah Yeah it seems like reflex reactions

That for whatever reason at like Simon's Urging get taken way further Uh-huh and when people are like Weak and at their like like he was already Like you said like fr and at their like like he was already like you said like frayed at the edges just generally so yeah i thought that was like an interesting like exploring how that moment how it can be like literally just in a blink of an eye you can do something so regrettable i mean you know this is obviously taken to the extreme but like that

i thought was interesting. I'd call it regrettable. Call it regrettable. Kill your whole family. Yes. I would hope it's regrettable. Call it regrettable. Seems like he did. Yeah.

Yeah. Gordon. Yeah. It's such. I love the performance of the actress. What is the voice actress's name? The actress who plays Mary, Simon,

Billy, and Princess. Her name is Jurian Hughes. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. She does a phenomenal job. And whoever, the actress they got to play the visual, like Mary in the photos, shout out to her because she is so scary.

She's legitimately terrifying um yeah i thought everyone was good in this movie i i like i said it like stuck with me afterwards just the like devastation of him having done something so so bad that oh yeah oh it just like sticks with you his his pain oof yeah peter mullen's anguish he does such a good job with those scenes i mean he's so good in everything yeah he really is uh yeah and david caruso uh david caruso goes for it crisp clear voice i just like absolutely piercing i don't know what it is about it it's like jarring to hear a voice so crisp i just don't know how to put it other than that it is just cuts right through you i wish someone would make a super like a a cut of the hey

fuck you scene where then we have the the uh csi miami won't get fooled again yeah and like all the shots of like shots of the asylum and stuff to be out there somewhere come on make it oh yeah i gotta look up that clip yeah to this day i don't i don't understand what possessed them to have him give that i've never heard somebody emphasize the you in that way and then with such a dramatic zoom it's so funny it's so dramatic on in on his face a very interesting medium to a close-up directing choice yeah and for everybody to be like we got it that's yeah moving on we got it very interesting oh this made me feel sad and bad.

I mean, that's my favorite way to feel, so I loved it. I know, I know, you love it. I know, you love it. Love to feel sad and bad. Mm-hmm. I think the movie, for me, and I guess thankfully for you, Sammy, really did succeed in what it was trying to do. Like, it succeeds in legitimately being, like, unnerving and scary and creepy and then just depressing.

Mm hmm. Yeah. I will say I will. Upon rewatches like subsequent rewatches, I have felt that some of the dialogue starts to feel a little weird and cheesy in spots. And I think we even highlighted some moments where it's like, wait a minute. Why is he ready to listen to the tapes again? And like weird.

Yeah, it sort of feels a little contrived. Yeah. But it's kind of fun. I don't know. I like kind of it kind of works for it because it's just adds to the vibe of it in some way. I don't know. It kind of it kind of worked for me. Yeah, I actually agree. I think it ends up being part of the movie's appeal that it's like this weird, slightly goofy, offbeat, very surprisingly effective little horror movie.

Yeah. And I think, yeah, because so many of the scenes are trying to make you feel disoriented, like part of that. Yeah, it just adds to it. I really got to go watch Sweet Home alabama now yeah that's gonna be the cure for me that and hey fuck you hey fuck you and then and then a great little you know 90 minutes of sweet home alabama and i'll be i'll be set i'll be set right as rain yeah as far as violence i will say really other than lobotomy sequence, really like the lobotomy sequence is gnarly no matter what. That's a gnarly scene.

But the rest of it, most of it is not shown. Like it cuts away just as the imagined. Yeah. Or yeah, exactly. Like the audio we're hearing violence happen, but not seeing it.

So yeah, not much violence on screen, but still an unsettling, effective movie nonetheless. Oh man. Jeremy. Thank you, Jeremy, for bringing this to us. Wowie wow.

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Gorgeous voices For you to end on Sam if you'd like We end with a voice From the movie And so I will say We gotta do Do it Gordon

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