Too Scary; Didn't Watch - SHUTTER ISLAND with Sit for a Spell

Episode Date: December 8, 2021

Deputy Marshals, gnarly stapled face cuts, and one million rats - we're recapping Shutter Island! We are joined by Jess & James (hosts of Sit for a Spell) for this crossover episode to discuss a movie that Henley had to dissociate for! We're all just rats in a maze, baby.Shutter Island is streaming on Netflix.00:00 - Episode starts24:56 - Trivia34:08 - Recap Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, Sit for a Spell crossover podcast episode. Extravaganza. It's an extravaganza. I'm Emily from Too Scared to Watch. I'm too scared to watch scary movies and I'm ready to learn about witchcraft. I'm Henley. I am also too scared to watch scary movies.

I'm from Too Scared to Watch as well. And wow, I am so excited to be here with you guys. I have lots of questions and I know we are going to learn a lot about witchcraft. So I'm pumped. I'm Sammy from Too Scary, Didn't Watch. I like watching scary movies and I have been dipping a toe in witchcraft, a little baby witch here. So I'm also very excited to talk to you guys. I have some questions and

some fun little stories to tell you about things that recently happened to me. I'm Jess. I'm from Sit for a Spell podcast. I'm super stoked to be here. I love watching scary movies. We'll talk about it. And I'm James from Sit for a Spell podcast. I also love scary movies and I am so excited to be here. We nailed that, I think. We did it. Good luck to everybody listening, telling all our voices

apart. It's fine. There are five of us. We sound pretty much exactly the same. Yeah. We wish you the best. We wish you the best. Best of luck. pretty much exactly the same. Yeah. We wish you the best. We wish you the best. We wish you the best. Best of luck. Okay.

So I want to tell you guys that I was doing a releasing ritual the other night where you write things down on a piece of paper and you burn it. And I almost set my house on fire.

Oh no. What happened? I set off the fire alarm in my room. It just like got a like got the fire got a little bigger than i was anticipating and literally everything do you put it like in a trash can or like where are you putting the items that you're laying on fire i have like a little bowl that i had water in and um but the paper was just too big it just too big, too big of a piece of paper. He released too many things at once.

Almost released. Congratulations. You're like a witch. Cause I mean, I think we've all done that before you. And then you're like, okay, maybe next time I shouldn't do this. Like in the middle of my house. Maybe I shouldn't burn down my home. I don't want to release that much.

That's more than I would like to take off. Wait, can you tell me a little bit more about what this is, Sammy? So are you like writing down things that you want to let go in your life? Like what's the intention? Yes. So the things that I've kind of gravitated towards in witchcraft and I'm still, you know, very much learning, but has been kind of moon magic rituals. And so I, I've been doing stuff on the new moon and the full moon. We just had a, uh, solar eclipse and I don't know, I read somewhere that that was a good time for releasing rituals. So yeah, you, um, yeah, just kind of so much of witchcraft has been for me, or at least what I've been leaning into is like almost therapy and like self-help.

It's, I think not a coincidence that I started going to therapy and doing witchcraft at the same time. going to therapy and doing witchcraft at the same time it's like such a great way to get to know yourself and there's something called shadow work that i do a lot of where you're you know as you could infer from the what it's called you like are looking at your own shadows and dark parts of yourself um or not dark parts but yeah like you know the parts that you generally were like taught to sort of like hide away or like suppressed emotions trauma that's great like i i would say like i began my shadow work it with therapy as well with psychotherapy like talk therapy because therapy uh i'm pretty sure like we've all been to therapy really like you

all know makes you confront yourself and you cannot like bullshit your therapist. Like they will call you on everything. Like the way I think that's the difference between talking to your friends and talking to a therapist, like your friends would be like, no, you're fine. Like he's an asshole. Like you're great, whatever your therapist would be like, maybe we should work on this and this and like, have you noticed these tendencies? So that's a great introduction into shadow work because shadow work is really looking at those parts, traumatic parts of your life or things that we've been told we shouldn't bring up, you know, things you keep in the shadows. And it's not necessarily,

we don't really like to talk about like light and dark because we don't think there's like positive or negative, like negative emotions, like anger or depression things. They're not really negative. We're just, we're taught that they're negative, but if you are depressed or if you are sad or if you're angry, it doesn't mean you're bad those aren't bad emotions and that's what we've been kind of taught like all of our lives yeah so it's pulling that bad out or that bad and seeing why it's there in the first place so that you can be more open to whatever

you want to experience so that's kind of not like weighing you down in the background and your subconscious. How long have you guys been practicing? Personally, probably like as long as I can remember, like even before I had a name for it, I think a lot of, I think a little girls, especially practice like witchcraft,

you like mix sticks and mud and, you know, you're like wishing and you're he loves me he loves me not like on the little you know flower petals and stuff yeah but i remember my first like spell we talk about this on our like our get to know us episode was in like the fifth or sixth grade and there was this girl who was really mean to me and i was like i'm gonna get that bitch so there was this spell and she was like the smartest girl in class and i was like I'm gonna get that bitch so there was this spell and she was like the smartest girl in class and I was like the second smartest girl in class no way so there was a spell where it was

like you had to do it on a full moon at midnight my uh my dad took me to like an occult store I don't know what like a 10 year old was doing but I was like he didn't know what a very nice supportive dad yeah so then it was like the book was like it has didn't know what I was doing. Very nice, supportive dad. So then it was like, the book was like, it has to be a full moon. It has to be at midnight. You take a dollar bill. Like you, I still remember you light each corner on fire and like say these words and then you have to give the dollar bill to the person and then they have to spend it. And then when they spend it, whatever you kind of, your intention kind of comes through. So in my mind, I was like, I'm going to be the smartest girl in class.

Like she, her name was Misty. Oh my God. Oh, wow. I just remembered that. Like Misty's not going to get any answers right. And blah, blah, blah. So I remember that day in class, I dropped it behind her chair and I was like,

did you drop this? Like dollar bill. She's like, oh yeah, that's my dollar. And she took it. she took it oh and then he must have spent it like at lunchtime or whatever and then the rest of the day she got all the answers wrong she like didn't get anything right she was always like one of like Hermione like I know I know but like the whole rest of the day she didn't get any answers right and I was like i'm a witch in the world and then there's like a whole thing where like some people believe like especially if you're like a baby witch like your power can be washed away like in a shower so like if she took a shower that night it would have washed away which she came back the next day and she was fine

but i was like i need more. I need to find some more dollars somewhere. And of course, James's first spell would be a hex. A revenge spell. That's extremely the craft. Like every single part of that. I'm like, okay. Yeah. I was so into it.

And ever since then, I was like, yeah, just been doing, I've moved on from just texting people and to working on myself. But yes, that's so funny. I started a similar age, just like little things. My mom had always noticed, but my first one was, I think it was like a lost key to my diary. And like, I did like this whole spell because I wanted to find the key. I found it. It was cool.

And then I did like another one where I did the same one, but for like my neighbor's cat. And then the cat came back and the cat could just come back. I don't know. We were like 12. So it could have just happened to come back, but still it was nice. It was validating. That's our two personalities right there. She's like, I want to help my neighbor find their cat. And I'm like, this bitch is going down. We balance each other out. Yeah. I love it.

Yeah. It's fun. Yeah. Definitely fun. Have you been doing more, Sammy? What have you been doing like on the full moons and stuff? Have you been. Honestly, so much of it has been like

journaling meditating grounding stuff and so i've been doing intention setting on on new moons and more kind of just reflecting maybe releasing on on full moons i've been doing a lot of candle magic. And so I'm like, I started making candles specifically with like, you know, each, each color means something different. Each herb means something different and oils and that, that kind of thing. I've been enjoying that.

There's so much that you can get into so much. So much. If you like to cook, you can be like a kitchen, which if you like to cook, you can be like a kitchen witch. If you like to garden, you can be like a green witch. Just like everything. There's everything. Everything that you like to do.

Like Emily, I know you like to make clothes, right? Yeah. So like you can use that like as part of your craft. You can use like anything. Oh my gosh. Stitching runes into like hems I would oh shit I'm about to start putting all sorts

of things into my protective runes into your clothes wow if you have like Sammy did show me I haven't done yet but I thought you were gonna say I really like taking baths yeah so Sammy has sent me like some bath magic which I'm very intrigued by we have a ritual bath some bath magic, which I'm very intrigued by.

We have a ritual bath episode. I'm listening. I'm listening. Yeah. I mean, I think like so much about my understanding of witchcraft is, which is not a ton, but it just feels like,

yeah, like leaning into your strengths, harnessing what works for you and like improving upon that and accessing that power. Yeah. Which also is makes sense to me why people historically have been so scared of witches, because it's it's just women owning themselves. And that's a very scary thing for a lot of people. Not that we just have to be women, but just historically that that was. Yeah. Yeah. people not that we just have to be women but just historically that that was yeah yeah the idea we we rant a lot about organized a lot and i think the difference between like religion and spirituality is like religion puts the power in like some all-knowing like father in the sky like

sky daddy you know but spirituality like you like you are the power in spirituality you get the power from yourself and of course you get it from your sisters or your you know the earth and you know different things that you use but it comes from within you and if you want to like worship or ask or honor someone there's like deity work and goddess work so if you are comfortable wanting some umbrella of power like you can do that too and that's usually a really good transition between like organized religion when you're like transitioning out um to like replace one dude with like someone else well it also it also still feels like it's, it's your choice then even still like you, you seek out the deity or you find what resonates. It's still like,

I do feel like, I mean, not that you can't choose religion. Some plenty of people do, but for most of us, I do feel like participating in organized religion is just something you were brought into and are told this is what's true. And I think there's a lot of power. I mean, people can certainly, um, make active choices in there and following organized religion, et cetera. But, um, yeah, the thing about which part of something you just come up in, yeah. As opposed to making the choice of like, Oh, I, I believe this and here's why, or this feels right to me. And it's always good to have that no matter like what realm we're talking about.

And I think it's not a, it's not a coincidence that historically, like in times of like great turmoil, spirituality tends to become more popular, which I think why it's, it's become much more popular recently because people feel helpless. You know, you're there's a pandemic and we had our shithead of a president, you know, the former president. And there's just as a person, you feel so small. There's only so much you can do. So spirituality tends to grow in times when there's a lot of uncertainty, which it's definitely happening right now. There's a lot of uncertainty, which it's definitely happening right now. Yeah.

And paganism, Wicca, it's a pendulum. And you can see it kind of like swing back and forth. And the pendulum is long, like the swing. But it does have a clear historical swing. And we are definitely in the upswing the upswing which is interesting sammy you mentioned that you are a baby witch what does it take to graduate to being i don't know i think it's just when you're ready when you want to say it when you feel it when you feel yeah when you feel it yeah feel in the power fully. Okay. Well keep us updated. I want to know when you start feeling.

And the great thing about being a witch is like, all it takes is for you to be like, I'm a witch. Like it happens like abracadabra. Right. And so much of it was stuff that I was already doing. Like we've Emily and I we've done tarot for a while and i've been into astrology forever all that's like part of witchcraft and so there were a lot of things i was like oh i was like doing witchcraft then i didn't know it yeah we like to say that everyone is witches and they just don't everyone is witches everyone's witches yeah you just don't know. Everyone is witches. Everyone is witches. You just didn't know it.

Yeah. I mean, we do. We blow out our birthday candles and make a wish. Like that's a witchcraft. Right. Like, right. Okay. Yeah.

Have you been in a Catholic church? Have you? That's a witchcraft. They do witchcraft in there. You're drinking blood and eating body that's witchcraft we can incense up and down like yeah you're you're doing rituals you're you're praying you're putting your intentions praying is just intentions you know like everything is it's everyone is witches everyone's witches i love We're going to put it on a shirt one day.

Yeah, that's an alternative podcast name for sure. Everybody is witches. Everyone is witches. Well, and you said you both love scary movies. Yes. Have you always loved scary movies? Has this been an adulthood thing? No, always. Always.

Okay. Yeah. have you always loved scary movies is this always been an adulthood thing no always always okay yeah i grew up in like a really like loosely supervised television home like just do like go to the adult store watch whatever you want yeah burn dollar bills at midnight who cares like do what you gotta do you know like we um i have there's i have there's five of us in my family um so we all of us we love scary movies i don't know what it was i don't know how it happened um we grew up watching god everything i like when i told my siblings i was going to be on this podcast i was like tell me some movies we used to watch like as a kid because i can remember some and the list like kept going on and on and on.

And it was like Poltergeist and Halloween and oh, my God, just everything. Like the it was like literally like a two hour conversation. I was like, how did we why were we allowed to watch these things? I have no idea, but it was definitely something that was always on in our home. Yeah, same. did you see anything that like traumatized you as a child like absolutely yes what stands out okay so this is a movie that i have not seen since i was since it traumatized me but and it's gonna sound stupid because it's probably not scary

but it's called tales from the crypt demon knight oh so is it is it like a sequel to because i think it's one of the episodes is it no it's a movie so tales from the crypt did like their tv show but then they did a few movies they did bordello of blood which is not appropriate for children um they did uh demon knight which stars billy zane oh my god cool wow and i think is it halle berry oh that could be wrong but um anyway i don't i haven't seen this since then but the demons in that movie like scared the fuck out of me and like i had nightmares for like a month and I never watched it again. But then in my brain, I was like, I like this feeling. Like, so I've been like chasing that feeling ever since then.

And I refuse to watch it because I'm like, it's probably not scary. And I don't want it to ruin the memories. I'm like memories, the memories of me being traumatized because it's probably not that scary but i just remember billy zane and that probably is where he was like the villain and that's probably where i got like my unhealthy attraction to like the villain she loves a villain the bad boy i can change him though i can change him i had to have been in like fifth grade. We were at

I was at my friend's house. We lived on a cul-de-sac and they just started watching one of the Freddy Krueger movies. So scary. It was the one with the what's it called? Q-tip?

The Q-tip goes all the way. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, just the fourth one. I can't even. I have no idea. I just know there's a Q-tip involved and it's horrible. And I was just traumatized.

I'm still scared of him. I still have not watched a single Freddy Krueger movie since the fifth grade. He's scary. What's funny is we were talking about when i was telling my siblings about this we used to always watch nightmare on elm street the fifth one i think it's called i don't remember what it's like the the premise is like the girl gives birth to freddy krueger right and like brings him into like our unit and there's like a church and all that sounds like a typical uh fifth sequel sort of idea i don't know i guess maybe she gives birth to him you know why not

are those the ones where the sequels get more and more like funny like they almost are like kind of absurd by the end he becomes much more like jokey like you know he's like yeah bitch like he calls people bitch a lot yeah exactly yeah that's right yeah this is a Freddy Krueger one that's hilarious okay I looked it up it's Jada Pinkett Smith not Halle Berry in that movie oh hell yeah

yeah do you have a type of horror movie that you like the most like home invasion movies or ghosts love a ghost i love a slasher yeah she's slasher halloween is like probably my favorite movie even though it's not scary it's oddly like comforting to me like i'll put it on and just like snuggle up in bed and be like you know like halloween i just i i literally could probably tell you beat for beat that entire movie and like i know probably all the words and everything it's

one of the movies we watched all the time as a kid like over and over again so it's uh michael myers is like uh he's he's like really near and dear to my heart. This is, this is now maybe going to be a theme on, on our podcast is asking people about their comfort horror movies. Cause this has been coming up now and again, and we, it's kind of new, but it makes like people have horror movies that are just comfort films for them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The, the others with Nicole Kidman. Oh my God. Have you guys done that movie?

No, we've had it requested a lot. We're going to have to do it one day. We've gotten so close several times. So good. I love a good child ghost. They're the best. Ghosts are good and they're so scary because they're like real like it can really happen

like a slasher i think i like because it's like what are the odds of like a killer is going to be like on the loose in my town like while i'm while i'm babysitting and you know that's so funny because most people would say one of those is actually real like one like a like a slasher, like a real person who could murder you. Yeah, that's true. Like Henley does not believe in ghosts at all. So it's like most people would think, well, yeah, a ghost isn't real. A slasher, that's a murderer. But I love, honestly, I'm with you.

I love the thought of being like, ghosts are more pervasive than a Michael Myers. Yeah. Like anybody could get haunted. And like you're in your home when you're being haunted. That's your safe space. Yeah, exactly. Like, can get haunted. You're in your home when you're being haunted. Like that's your safe space. Like leave me alone. And like, I think I watched ghost movies.

Like I listened to true crime. Cause like I listened to true crime. There's like that thing where it's like women like to listen to it so that we know, right. Like what if, what can you do? What can you avoid? And like, I watched ghost movies for the same thing. What should I look out for? How can you avoid? And like, I watched ghost movies for the same thing. What should I look out for? How can I get rid of?

You're like, I would never do that. I would never do that. That was a mistake. Sage. Get some sage. What are you guys waiting for? Yeah. Never antagonize. You know, there's steps you can take.

Yeah. With a ghost. You can't really reason with us with a murderer. You can maybe reason with a ghost. True. Find out what happened to them, how you can solve the mystery. Michael Myers doesn't care what you're doing. You can't get him away with some sage. I will say The Conjuring

is probably one of the scariest movies I've ever seen to this day. I still can't watch that at night, I think. Like the clapping and the yeah. I can't do it. Yeah, that's one of my scariest ones too yeah i also really love another of my like comfort movies which i know i've heard you guys talk about um sammy is the descent i love the descent i guess that would be my comfort horror

yeah i love it um i have i have this like really specific memory with it. It was when Blockbuster was going out of business and we, my brother and I, and my boyfriend at the time, we went to Blockbuster and we had like $20 and it was like those, you know, 10 for 10 packs. And it was like, you didn't know what they were, but it was just like, these are all horror and these are all rom-coms or whatever. So we bought like a 10 for 10 pack of horror. And then the whole weekend, that's all we did was just we we closed the blinds and we was dark and we got snacks and we just watched horror movies all weekend. And we knew nothing about any of them. And one of those movies was The Descent.

And we were just like freaking out, like flipping out. And like me and my brother and my boyfriend were all like hugging each other and we were like what's happening when they show the creature we screamed and i love that movie especially because i think because it's tied to that memory yeah that's a trauma film for me that caused nightmares yeah that's very well That's very well done. Beautiful movie. Yeah.

Gorgeous. Beautiful. The reds and the whites. Festive, honestly. Should we then, is this a good time to talk about the movie that you guys have picked for us to do this week?

Let's do it. Let's jump in. Do it. Okay, we are going to be talking about Shutter Island. Pulling up my little facts about this. It came out in 2010. It is directed by Martin Scorsese.

What do people say? Scorsese. I say Sase. But I feel like some people go Sase and I'm like, oh, am I stupid? Martin Scorsese? What do people say? Scorsese. Scorsese. You can say Sasey, but I feel like some people go Sasey and I'm like, oh, am I stupid? Martin Scorsese. No, no, no, no. Those people are stupid. Those people are stupid. Thank you. Officially, you heard it here first.

It was written by Leda Kalogridis and that I said perfectly. That was perfect. Based on Shutter Island by Dennis Lehane. It stars Leonardo DiCaprio, Mark Ruffalo, Ben Kingsley, Michelle Williams, Emily Mortimer, Patricia Clarkson and Max von Sydow. Wow.

We what a cast. It's a star rated cast. Incredibly, incredibly star-studded. Stacked. It, oh, let me tell you what it has on all of its things, all of its ratings and reviews. It has a 68% on Rotten Tomatoes, an 8 point, oh, sorry, 63% on Metacritic,

and an 8.2 on IMDb. IMDb loves this movie. That's the opposite of most things. Truly, truly. That's high. Yeah, that's really high. The budget was 80 million. The box office was 295 million.

Damn. Well done. Well done. They did well. Congrats. Congrats. Congrats to Martin. Up and coming.in scorsese up and coming it was his highest grossing film up until wolf of wall street it was his best box office smash wait what year did it come out again 2010 2010 2010 okay um 2010. Okay. Um, yeah, it's, uh, I had never seen it. I watched it this week. It's very long.

I did. I mean, you know, this Martin's Christmas movies are always incredibly long, but truly I was, I think I was in a weird headspace when I watched this. So I'm just going to preface I was I think I was in a weird headspace when I watched this so I'm just going to preface my all my thoughts with that but I paused it because I had to pee and I was like this movie's probably almost done and I hit pause and I was

not even halfway through it was like what the fuck like I was like how is this how it's like two and a half hours long it's very long it's very long and it and so much happened i just was like because we were like reaching i guess the midpoint and so i was like this feels like we're getting somewhere okay cool i thought it was like oh my god yeah yeah when i

was taking notes for this i was like the same thing where i paused it and i was like my notes are already like six pages long and we're halfway through this movie. Like it's a big movie. What is happening? It's a big movie. And it's like, it's so packed with detail and like,

everything's important because of what happens later. And it's just, I'm sorry, you guys, this is going to be such a long episode. We're in it. We're in it. I'm going to give a little bit of trivia, but not much, because as we said, this movie is eight hours long.

Martin Mark Ruffalo won the role of Chuck after sending Martin Scorsese a fan letter saying how much he wanted to work with him. Wow. Cute. Cute. Pretty cute. pretty cute and this is the only movie of the partnership between Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio that failed to

receive any Oscar nominations for Gangs of New York Aviator Departed and Wolf of Wall Street all got Oscar nominations including Best Picture the Oscars they definitely do they definitely do we've talked about this true so just just gasp

because your cat is okay yeah it's so funny that you noticed that she's up on the couch she'll come closer usually you can see mine but you can't with my filter but my cat you'll hear her because she's like she's crazed I get really cat excited because I can't have

a cat because my dog's an asshole well Mabel is in frame a lot and will be in Emily's lap for probably part of this and Sammy's beautiful you love it there's a cat another cat

so I'm curious to know why you guys selected this movie what your relationship is to it obviously we gotta freaking get into it but I am I am just curious about it what your relationship is to um mine specifically is um not much um i like the movie i remember being surprised by it so i figured that would be fun and um when i when i first okay i'm gonna like all cards on the table when i first like listened to your podcast and i was like i really want to be on this podcast and i was like oh we could do this movie oh we could do some and then i'd be like oh no they already did it they already did

it they already did it like going through everything so then i was trying to just think of something that would be fun um not that this movie is like particularly fun, but I just thought it would be like, it's surprising. I think so. Yeah. That would be fun. Yeah. Yeah.

That's great. That's perfect. Yeah. We won't, we won't say why just yet, but when it happens, you'll know. You'll know.

You'll know. Well, I mean, I think, Oh, we should watch the freaking trailer that's what let's do I've never seen the trailer so

me neither give you a briefing about the institution all I know is it's a mental hospital but they're criminally insane gentlemen welcome to Shutter Island. You are hereby required to surrender your firearms. We are duly appointed federal marshals. But during your stay, you will obey protocol.

Is that understood? We take only the most dangerous and damaged patients. Ones no other hospital can manage. These are all violent defenders, right? They've hurt people, murdered them in some cases. In almost all cases, yes. We've tried to provide them with a measure of calm. Personally, doctor, I'd have to say screw their sense of calm.

So this prisoner escapes in the last 24 hours. We don't know how she got out of her room. It's as if she evaporated straight through the walls. We haven't heard the truth once yet, but no one will talk. It's like they're scared or something. It's all down, all the lines, even radio. Whatever the hell's going on here, it's bad. We need to ask you some questions, okay?

Do you know what fear does to the mind? Corrodes it. Rusts it. This is a game. You're a rat in a maze. Who did this to you going somewhere i've built something valuable here i'm not going to give up without a fight what if what you were looking into them they were looking into you now they have us both here now let me see your face let me see your damn face now

wouldn't you agree when you see a monster you must stop it scary that's a good trailer yeah that's a good trailer it definitely gives you the vibe of what the movie feels like for sure but doesn't give away too much it really doesn't again when you got three hours how could they give away enough in two minutes

but it is it's a good trailer so many nasty cuts. The lady with the slit throat and those staples in the face. I did not like that. Yeah, that face is gross. My favorite thing is Leonardo DiCaprio and Mark Ruffalo's adorable trench coats

with those huge, huge, huge, huge arm pads. Really fat ties. Like the fattest, shortest ties you ever saw. And the accents. A lot of good accents in this movie. Scorsese loves an accent. I can't even do it. He's like,

I'm with you with Marshall. With deputy Marshalls. Yeah. I need to see the warden. Federal Marshalls. That's good. Thank you so much. Okay. Let's do it it in the past few years i have hit a point where i only want to be wearing clothes that are comfortable it happened it happened to me but you know what i still also want to look cute and these are two desires that are often extremely opposing and

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working together they get to know each other a little and then there's a lot of like in the movie there's a lot of like flashbacks um of like from Leonardo DiCaprio's life so we get like a quick flashback of Teddy and his wife Dolores who's michelle williams and she's like helping him get ready for work she's putting on his tie and that's the tie he's wearing in the trailer or in the movie the short fat one the short fat one the ugly one yeah um he teddy tells chuck um oh his i don't know how it comes up, but he's like, oh, talking about his wife. He's like, yeah, my wife died in a fire, but he's like, but it was the smoke that got her, not the fire. He's like, you know, that's important.

Like the smoke killed her, not the fire. Like he's really like honing in on that. And then the captain of the boat comes out, tells them they're almost to the shore. He's like, but you got to leave quickly because we got to leave because there's a big storm coming. So like get off because we're out of here. They get to the shore he's like but you gotta leave quickly because we gotta leave because there's a big storm coming so like get off because we're out of here they get to the island they meet um deputy warren mcpherson who's john carroll lynch who is excellent in this movie and he's excellent in everything yeah what else is he and i recognized him he's a that guy invitation yes yeah he's the guy at the end of the or like the okay yes yeah that's what i'm thinking of he is a that guy he's he's a that guy for sure um he teddy tells he remarks like to the warden the deputy warden he's like everyone seems on edge like what's going on there's like a bunch

of guards they have their guns out everyone's kind of like staring at the marshals like what's going on and mcpherson tells them that yes they're on edge because we learned the reason that the marshals are on the island is because one of the patients escaped last night and that's why they're there to help them so they drive up to the facility and like one of those old jeeps you know and then they see this big brick wall and there's this barbed wire and then teddy says oh it's electrified and chuck is like how, you know, and then they see this big brick wall and there's this barbed wire. And then Teddy says, oh, it's electrified. And Chuck is like, how do you know that? And he's like, oh, I've seen it before. I've seen this type of setup before with the electrified fence.

And also the music in this movie is like crazy dramatic, like, like it's like, like crazy. Yeah, truly. Like, yeah, truly. It really is. So then they get up to, it's called Ashcliff. Like sometimes they call it Shutter Island. Sometimes they call it Ashcliff. I think the name of the hospital is Ashcliff, but the island itself is Shutter Island.

Is that? I think that's true. I want to know if this is like a real place where they shot, because in the trailer, it looked kind of unbelievable yeah it looked like a um because history person here um it looked like a uh fortress like a wartime like that star shape is like a fortified shape for like battles well funny you should say that jess because we learn that it is an old civil war fort see i knew it there we go there we go she's a history person so mcpherson tells them ward a is for the men ward b is for the women and ward c which is like

the original fort is where they have the most dangerous patients um men and women all the super dangerous ones go in there and that teddy and chuck are forbidden to go in there like not allowed he makes them get with their guns and um there's a funny moment where um chuck mark ruffalo has like a hard time getting his gun like out of his pocket and then Teddy looks at him like you fucking idiot he's like he doesn't trust him it doesn't seem like because he seems like he's new almost yeah he's not like sold on his new partner

so they we get a little intro into Ashcliff it's a mental institution for the criminally insane you heard it in the trailer it's like where the most dangerous people go people are people that other places couldn't handle they're extremely dangerous and he um mcpherson says they're damaged as well so that's why they're so worried about this one escaping

because everyone who ends up there is like not cool they're not a good person. So this is where we hear about Dr. Collie and he's the mastermind behind the program. And that's who they're going to meet right now to sort of talk about the person who escaped. And then they do show some of the patients on the ground. They're all like chained up and they're kind of gardening and they're not alone. They all have like their own guards with them,

each patient. And that's where we see that woman with like the really sparse hair and like the cut on her neck she has like a like her like her um throat has been slit almost yeah was that emily mortimer or was that someone else no no no that's not her no okay okay um and i don't think they ever show that woman again do they they don't yeah i think it's just to like set the tone like Like, yeah. Scary. It is spooky. It is. Yeah.

She like puts her finger up and she's like, shh to him. And he's like freaked out. It's like all slow-mo and yeah, it's scary. So they go up to meet Dr. Collie and it's like crazy secure. They have to like show their badges and their IDs and like, you have to go through like all these gates. And then we meet Dr.

Collie who has been Kingsley. And then McPherson leads. So then Dr. Colley starts telling the marshals about his vision for the patients that. Back in the day, what they used to do was just like beat the patients. They used to tie them up and like leave them in the dark. And they used to electroshock them. They would chain them up. They would dunk them in the dark and they used to electroshock them. They would chain them up.

They would dunk them in icy water, sometimes kill them while they were doing it. And that he he doesn't want to do that. He's like he said something like, I think that if you listen to someone, you can help them get better. And then Teddy's like, aren't these people like violent murderers? Like maybe who cares about what they need? Like they're, they're violent people. They're murderers. Who cares?

So then they talk about the patient that escaped. It's Rachel Solando is her name. And she's there because she killed her three children by drowning them in the lake behind their house. Then she took them inside, arranged them around the kitchen behind their house then she took them inside arranged them around the kitchen table and had a meal with them after they were yeah hen you're gonna really hate oh yeah i'm so sorry there's a death as a newborn too so it's there there's a pretty bad child there's a lot of children sorry to talk about children children it's okay it's okay you guys have warned me and so now i'm just disconnecting from my emotions and i shall disassociate and i my emotions my

emotional part of my personality has left the room amazing perfect that's gonna work really really healthy tool i've developed yeah i love this podcast yeah sounds great okay so um dr collie says that um her husband died on the beaches of normandy normandy so she's a war widow and that when she was first brought to the island she starved herself she wouldn't eat she insisted insisted her children weren't dead. And then we get another flashback. So Teddy gets a, we get a flashback of a snowy like camp. And then there's like frozen bodies on the ground. There's a train on train tracks with frozen bodies falling out of it. And then there's a little girl frozen with her mother. She's like

lying with her mother on the ground. And then we cut back and Teddy gets a migraine, like a quick migraine, a sudden migraine. He asked for an aspirin. He's like, oh, it's the seasickness I've been throwing up. And Dr. Chloe's like, yeah, you're probably dehydrated. Drink this, take this pill, this and that. So then we learn more about rachel she thinks her children are still alive she thinks that she lives in the institution and that everyone who who works there are all her neighbors and like milkmen and postman delivery people all that she says like she's never once admitted to what she did that they all sort of they all sort of go along with it to just try to help her then um then they say like we have no idea how she got out of her room there's bars

on the window there's locks there's a lot of guards between her and the door they've scoured the island they can't find her she's vanished without a trace and like he even says in the trail like she what is she vanished within the walls or whatever but then they go to rachel's room and they look for clues and then while they're there teddy says to dr collie he was he says like i don't understand how she doesn't know she's at an institution and then dr collie says um i wrote it down he says sanity isn't a choice you can't just choose to get over it which i thought was like pretty profound like i right i know um and they find a loose floorboard and they find a note inside that says the law of four who is number 67 and we don't know what that means yet.

That's a real clue if I've ever heard a clue. That's a straight up clue. Like a clue clue. It's like loose clues like a clue. Like a clue. Yeah, like a full on clue. Hidden in a floorboard? Come on, baby, that's a clue.

You can't get any more clue-y than that. Okay, so then Teddy, Dr. collie tries to take the paper but teddy's like no like i need this it's a clue like my clue my clue not your clue finders keepers so then we get to see a little more of the hospital they kind of go through like the route she would have had to take to escape. But like all the guards are like super bored. Like they're tired. They're like sitting on the rocks and just like they're yawning, like not into it.

And Teddy's like super annoyed. He's like, why isn't everyone like more upset about what's happening? Like, why are the guards like not interested? And so McPherson's like, we looked already and we can't find her. There's nowhere else she could be. It's 11 miles to the nearest Island. The water's freezing. If she would have swam away, she would have drowned and her body would have washed up a shore. The Island is like super like you saw in the, in the trailer, there was's like cliffs everywhere like it's not like a beach island like everything is cliffs there's no like there's nowhere for her to go really

um they do look and see that there's like caves in the cliffs but they're like 50 feet up and so mcpherson's like no it's impossible like she never could have gone up there there's no way he's like nah no but we'll see maybe we'll see yeah yeah there's a lighthouse sort of like off in the distance and teddy's interested but mcpherson's like no that's just like a sewage treatment facility or whatever he's like you don't need to go in there she's not in there um they start interviewing the orderlies. Basically, all of them are like, no, there's she couldn't. I was here all night, whatever.

And then there's one orderly who's like, I may have left my post for like a minute. He's like, I went to the bathroom. He's like, but I went really quick. Like, there's no way. Like, I was gone for like 30 seconds. That's like, that's enough time. So Teddy's like super annoyed. He's like annoyed with everybody. He's like, nobody's taking this seriously like what's happening and dr collie's pretty pissed

about it too um they sort of go over like rachel's day she was in therapy she hated the food um and she says they say that dr sheehan dr sheehan was the therapist over, I guess like in charge of the session that day. And they're like, Teddy's like, okay, well, where's Dr. Sheehan? They're like, oh, he went on vacation. Like you left this morning. He had a vacation plan. So he just left. And Teddy and Chuck are like, we need to talk to him. Like, why did you let him leave? And then Dr. Colley's like, well, he's a doctor. He has to go on vacation. Like he had this planned already. And they're like, it's pretty suspicious.

Everybody's very suspicious. They try to call him, but because of the storm, there's no, they can't like get a line out. So then Dr. Colley's like, I have to go do rounds, come to my house later. And like, we'll talk more. So then we cut to that. It's the evening. Dr. Collie's house also built in the war. It's like super extravagant, like dark wood everywhere and like plush and pillows and chairs and a fireplace. And it's like super nice. And they come in and then there's music playing on like a record player. And that triggers another flashback for Teddy.

So this time we see people standing in the snow behind the barbed wire. They're wearing striped pajamas. Yep. So we're led to believe this is the Holocaust. So this is like a concentration camp. They, we cut back to the house and it's teddy's talking about the music and he says oh i know this music it's mauler which is a german um composer and then we hear a voice from a chair

near the fireplace and it's max von seido dr nearing nearing nearing nearing nearing oh i kept right i wrote max von seido in my notes the whole time yeah max von cyto yeah so he we see him and he's like ominous and he's like you know how his presence is he offers them a drink and then they both they make jokes about like marshals and psychiatrists like being professions of drunks you know like they're um they just like are giving each other shit and then there's another flashback um and it's an office and there's a picture of hitler on the wall and there's like papers flying everywhere there's no people being shown but there's like just papers going everywhere and then it goes back to the fireplace and then narrowing max monsanto he tells the men he was like you guys are men of violence he says like

you're not violent men but you are men of violence and he guesses like you've served in the war you've seen violence and this is all intercut with like more paper in the office being thrown around and then some of the paper lands in pools of blood and then it's like back and forth and then we see a nazi on the ground in the middle of the blood and there's american soldiers around him like going through all the paperwork and stuff and then we see teddy come into frame and over the nazi and he has a gun slung on his back and then he looks down at the nazi he looks out the window and we see all the frozen bodies like on the ground and then he looks over and there's a record player playing the same song that's being played in the present

and then we go back to the nazi and the nazi's like reaching for a gun that's like just off to the side it looks like he tried to kill himself like he tried to shoot himself but it didn't work so he's like reaching for the gun to like finish the job or to shoot teddy and teddy looks over and he puts his foot on the gun and then he slowly kicks it out of place so that he can't reach it and then he watches him like slowly die like slowly bleed out yeah it's pretty heavy. So then while we're sort of seeing this Teddy, um, and, and Max von Saito, they're just sort of like going back and forth. They don't seem to really like each other or like trust each other. And then Teddy's getting really annoyed. And then he starts, he asks the doctor if he's ever seen a death camp and the doctor's like what and then teddy starts

talking about dachau and he starts speaking teddy starts speaking in german and then he's like angry about it he's like getting heated and then he's like your english is very good like your english is pretty good but you're hitting the consonants pretty hard which is which is typical of german people when they're learning english and so then him and Chuck are like, Chuck is like, you're German? Like, what are you doing here? You're like, this is right after the war. So he's like a German doctor. They don't trust him at all whatsoever.

But Max von Sydow was like, what? I came here legally. Like, is that a crime? Like, I came here. I just immigrated, blah, blah, blah. So Max von Sydow then tells him him like, you know, I know you want to, you want everyone's personnel files. You want to talk to everybody, but the board has voted and you can't like, you're not allowed to see anybody's personnel files. Like it's just not

going to happen. So then Teddy's like, okay, well, you know what? If you're not going to help me, the investigation's done. We're leaving. Let's get out of here. We're going to be on the ferry the next morning we're out. So then they leave like nobody trusts anybody. So then Teddy and Chuck have to go bunk with the orderlies in their quarters, I guess. And then Teddy tells Chuck, like, I'm bluffing. I know that they're going to let us see the stuff they want to see,

but I just want them to think we're leaving because something has to happen. And he's like, I don't think, I don't think Rachel got out on her own. I think somebody helped her and I, we're going to find out why and who. So when he goes to sleep, we get another flashback. There's, I guess it's a dream we see michelle williams she's like in her apartment in the city um she's scolding him about his drinking um he says she says he has to drink because of all the people that he killed in the war there's like ash and like soot like floating around in the dream like all over them as they're talking, but it's like very warmly lit. It's like dreamy and nice, but everything slowly starts becoming like more covered in ash. Then she turns around to him and she goes, she tells him she never left.

She's still here. And he walks over to her. And then when she goes out to look at the window, there's like a gazebo and like some water. And she's like, remember when we went to the cabin, like how wonderful that was and this and that. And she's like very smiley and dreamy. She turns around and she's like super serious. And when she turns around, her whole back is like charcoal, like she's burned like from the inside. is like charcoal. Like she's burned, like from the inside. And then she turns back to him and she's like, you can't leave.

And he's like, I won't leave. I promise. And then he goes and he hugs her that goes up behind her. And she says, I'm not here, but she is. And so is latest. So we, we don't know who latest is yet, but that's a person. And then he hugs her from behind. and then as he's holding her we kind of saw that in the trailer she turns into ash and then like disappears and she turns into ash and like what he looks down and there's like water all over his hands like dripping and then he wakes up and like there's water dripping from the ceiling like all over him because of the storm so the storm is here it's too bad too bad for the fairy so

they have to stay whether they were bluffing or not they have to stay okay they meet with dr collie again and then he um tells them more about his methods he talks again about wanting to treat them with um like dignity he's like most most places just want their patients docile. They dope them up or they give them lobotomies. They don't think they should be listened to. Like I really want to help my patients. I just don't want to like to drug them up and put them in a corner and like, you know, then the problem solved.

He tells them that Rachel was on some of these drugs, but they only worked for a little bit of time. And the only way that she's going to get better is to confront what she did and accept it and move on. And he's like, who cares? These people are crazy. Like, what are you wasting your time for? They interview some patients and some of them are interesting. They tell some like pretty disturbing stories about like why they're there.

Um, Teddy's pretty confrontational with them. He's not interested in hearing what they have to say. Then he starts asking them about, um, someone called Andrew latest. He starts asking them like, where's Andrew latest. called Andrew latest, he starts asking them like, where's Andrew latest. And the patients are like, confused to like, they don't know what to say to him. So some of the interviews, the patients kind of all seem to be saying like the exact same thing. Like they're all just repeating the same, like talking points to him and he is getting upset and chuck doesn't seem to notice that which makes teddy more upset and um he's just like i don't know he's he's just very frustrated with everything

so one of the patients asks chuck for a cup of water so he gets up and like gives her water and then when he does that she grabs his teddy's paper and run like scribble something on the paper and then gives it back to him really quick. And then I know this has nothing to do with anything, but I noticed that Chuck gave her a cup of water and then she doesn't drink from anything. She like goes like this, like literally with her empty hand. Like I took a picture of it. Did you notice? Yes, I, I, yes. with her empty hand like i took a picture of it did you notice yes i i yes she's like pantomimes but then there is a cup of water on she but then she there is an empty cup of water but like in

i took a picture of it in the movie she goes like this like with her hand like improv style and then she puts it down and there's a cup it was so weird what is happening what does this mean I almost feel like they accidentally used like yeah or like the coverage shot instead of like I spent a while being like

was that intentional I think it was a straight up mistake it's so weird you would think like Martin Scorsese wouldn't like make a mistake like that, but it was really weird. I'm going to send you guys that picture because it's weird. Really weird. I watched it like three times.

When it happened, I was like, I imagine that because there is a cup there now. Wow. Great. It was weird. Okay. Okay.

Good. Not just me. Okay. Okay. Okay. So then, um, Teddy asked her about latest too and um whatever she doesn't know so then later on chuck is like who is this latest person like you keep

talking about this person what is it and then he's like um well latest is the maintenance man who set fire to the building that killed my wife. And I specifically asked for this assignment because I know he's in this facility and I want to talk to him. He's like, he's been keeping track of him. And I know he got admitted here because he got off when he killed the wife, but then he killed more people. And so they put him in this facility and he said, he was admitted here, but now I can't find record of him.

Like he was here and now he's disappeared. So I need to find out what happened to him. So we also get a look at the note that the patient gave to Teddy and it says run. It just is like all all caps not a great sign you don't want to get that note less a clue and more a direct or direct request yeah yeah the first clue was fun this one not so much yeah okay so they go out i don't know why they do this but they go out into the storm and they're like looking at a graveyard.

I guess they're looking for like a, maybe a gravestone that has latest his name on it. I don't, I didn't understand why they did that. They were looking, they're like the best place to hide a dead body. If he's dead, it's like where no one would think to look,

which is the graveyard. So they go to the graveyard, but then the storm gets really bad. Yeah. They have to go inside. Yeah. They go into like a mausoleum or something yeah they get stuck out there and teddy they're they're stuck there so they're just talking and teddy's like i swear i'm not here to kill latest he's like starts telling him about his time in the war and then there's another flashback

he's like the ss guards really surrendered when we got there we took their weapons from them but then we lined them up and shot them anyway he's like you know they show like all of that they are just lined up against the fence and then they all just they're the ss guards are not armed but they are all killed anyway so and then he tells him about that commander that we saw um who was reaching for the gun. And he's like, I watched him die for like over an hour. He's like, I could have he could have helped him and killed him, but he didn't. And he's like, I've had enough of murder. He said they see more bodies of the women and children in the snow.

He tells but then he tells Chuck, he's like, I've, I've murdered men and I've had enough murder. Like, I just, I just want to see if latest is here. And he says the reason he knows latest is here is because he spoke to an ex patient of Shutter Island. His name is George Noyce and he was brought to Shutter Island, but then he was allowed to leave. And then when he was released, he killed again. And then when he

was arrested, he begged, George Noyce begged the judge to put him in prison and not send him back to Ashcliff. He was like, I do not send me back there. Put me in prison. i do not want to go back there no matter what so teddy thinks that latest is here and he's vanished because he thinks they're doing experiments on their patients on shutter island and the fact that um max van cyto is german kind of solidifies that for him it's like bringing more

of that so he says crazy people are the perfect subjects no one will listen to them and he says like his time in the war and in daco showed him what people are really capable of and that if it's happening here he's going to stop it right so chuck starts getting really paranoid and like starts getting really um like aggravated and he's like what he's like what are you talking about like this is all government this sounds like government like what if he's he's telling teddy like what if they faked all of this what if rachel solando like never escaped what if they faked it to get you here and they're sort of it's like escalating escalating and the doors of the mausoleum like

blow open and the crazy wind like jump scare and then it's the deputy warden like he's there to save them he's like we're here like the the storm is crazy like let's get you guys back to the the ward so they're all soaked so they have to give them the orderly's clothes, which are those white clothes that you see them in. And they go to see Dr. Collie again. Okay. So Dr. Collie is in a meeting with like a bunch of board members, but they barge in and he hears them arguing with what to do with all the patients in ward C because the storm is crazy and the power is going in and out.

And the board members are like, we need to chain them down. Like we need to chain them into where they are because if the power goes out, they're going to escape. And Dr. Colley's like, if we chain them and it floods, they'll die. Right. They'll all drown. And then they're like, that's a chance we're willing to take. Like either we chain them or the power goes out and they all escape and we die because they could potentially kill us. And so you kind of see what Dr. Colley's up against when it comes to these board members.

And Teddy interrupts and he hears because he hears them talking about, oh, there's 42 patients in wards A and B. about oh there's 42 patients in wards a and b and then there's 24 patients in ward c and um teddy's like that's a total of 66 patients he's like rachel's note says who is number 67 he's like there's suggesting there's another patient around here and collie's like like that's that's not right oh and by the way r Rachel has been found. Like we found her. So you guys can leave like problem solved. Oh, we forgot to tell you. So sorry. Oh yeah. Just kidding. Oh, by the way, that thing you came here to do, we did it for you. So then we meet Rachel. Um, she is in like remarkably good shape. They kind of try to get information out of her and teddy's like oh

there's a known communist in the area and you know we need to know where you were so that we can know that you were safe and not in his area when he was around here and she's like oh well i made breakfast for my kids this morning and then i sent them to school and then i went for a swim in the lake and then and then she like switches and then she's like i think she thinks teddy is her husband but she walks up to him and she's like oh i'm so lonely i've been thinking of you and she hugs him and they're hugging and he like really hugs her back like really tightly and then she gets upset and she's like my gym is dead like who the fuck are you like i buried him who are you and

then she starts like breaking down so then they leave they all go back to dr collie's office and teddy gets another migraine and collie's like oh here like i have more like more aspirin for you like here you can take this we'll go down to the basement Everyone is down there to ride out the storm. Like it's all cool. Like super chill. Let's do it. So then we all go down there and then we see the warden for the first time, the actual warden. And he does not look super chill.

He's like, it's like an ex military looking super crew cut. Like flat top head. Yeah. And like stone cold face. Like he looks like, I don't know, not cool. Not super nice. We get more flashbacks or dreams because Teddy is kind of like out of it a little bit.

So he lays down and we get more dreams. Teddy's walking through dachau there's more dead bodies on the ground the same little girl and her mother in the snow teddy kind of stares at it and then the mother turns into rachel and then the little girl who's on rachel opens her eyes and then she stands up and then she says you should have saved all of us to teddy and then um the scene switches and he's in dr collie's office and we see a man sitting on the chair where max von seidel was and it's latest and that's the guy with the big scar from right right right from the um trailer so teddy kind of confronts him and latest gets up and latest is like i know how much you need this and he takes a flask and he gives it

to him and then latest turns into chuck holding the flask and then we hear a scream off to the side and we turn and it's rachel and she's covered in blood and they um she's like smiling she's like almost giddy and she's like can you give me a hand with this and then we look down and like all of her kids are on the floor dead and Teddy goes over to her um and he's like oh I could help you but I might get in trouble and then she's like no it's okay but she's it's it's very creepy because she's like she's like almost excited to show him what she's done right she's like happy about it and so then he picks up the little girl and he's like i'm so sorry to the little girl and the little girl looks up and she's like why didn't you save me and then he looks down at her and he's like i tried to i got there too late and then it switches to him at a lake and he's has the little girl in her,

in his hands and he lets her go. And she floats away and Rachel comes up behind him and she goes, Oh, aren't they so beautiful. And the little girl is like floating away. And then Teddy wakes up. And so he wakes up because of the door opens to the outside and the storm is still going outside and then somebody walks in and it's uh dolores his wife michelle williams and she takes off her hood and he goes why are you all wet baby and she replies latest isn't dead he's here you have to

find him and you have to kill him and then she goes to him and she kisses him and they embrace and then he wakes up again for real all that was a dream dream within a dream dream we love to see it we have pre-inception dreamception yeah and the music is crazy through all this it like changes from like crazy like the inception music to like really dreamy like really romantic like building music it's it's all over the place but it's good so um when chuck wakes um chuck is there when teddy wakes up and he tells him the backup generator failed all the security is down and all the patients are loose walk outside and people and the patients are like running around yeah they're like come on come on come on they're like get me get me it's pretty funny um so they decide like hey this is the perfect time we're gonna go like let's go into ward c like let's go see what's going on so they're dressed like orderlies so they're blending in so they they make their way in like pretty quickly nobody says

anything and it's really dark in there it's like there's no lights or anything and there's water dripping everywhere from the storm and it's dark long hallways and everything so this is probably like the scariest part because it's so dark and because there's um like killers on the loose yeah um which i guess is more realistic than i thought initially it can't happen if you end up like in a um institution for the criminally insane it's very possible very possible yeah yeah so there's a guard he approaches them and he's like um they're they have all or most of them there's a couple loose he's like if you see one don't confront them because they will kill you like just let us know where they are we'll come get them

but like hey good luck like go look for them so they're like okay so they start walking around um it's super creepy there's like screaming and like there's water dripping the lights are flickering on and off but teddy's like convinced that latest is here he's like we're gonna find him there's a jump scare patient jumps out at them and he goes tag you're it and then he tags them and he runs off um and he's he's only wearing like pants he's not wearing a shirt at first i thought he was naked but he wasn't yeah um teddy runs after him and loses chuck and then teddy's like walking around and he's like looking everywhere and it's dark and it's scary and you hear more screams and he's going into a stairwell and then the patient jumps

up and he gets teddy in a choke hold and he's like choking him and then they start talking about like h-bombs or atom bombs things like that all the patients have like an obsession with like the atom bombs it keeps coming up they keep talking about it because they keep saying like why would i want to leave here like have you heard about what they're doing on the outside because they keep saying like why would i want to leave here like have you heard about what they're doing on the outside world they keep talking about things like that but then teddy gets control over him and he starts like really beating him up like beating the crap out of him and then chuck comes in and a guard and they stop him and then the guard is like chuck help me take this guy to the infirmary like he was like you're supposed to help you're supposed to get him like not kill him so they

we we find that like teddy has like a bit of like an anger issue which we've noticed throughout the movie so teddy's alone again and he starts making his way down another uh nasty hallway it's it's disgusting definitely nasty yeah um there's whispers and then you hear like latest latest and then we're like what's happening and there's flickering and screaming and then he starts getting um what are they matches it's the only light he has so it's pitch black and then he flicks a match and then it goes out and then he does another one. And then as he's doing it, he's passing all of the cells and we see people in their cells. Some of them are naked and they're crying. One of them has like a cut and he's like taking the blood from his arm and like writing on the walls. And they're like rocking themselves back and forth and they're just not well, not well at all.

But you keep hearing, Latus, Latus. And he's like getting closer and closer. And then there's a man in a cell. So he gets to the man and it's the man that's whispering Latus. And he gets a match and he puts it in and we see the man. He's like, let me see your face. Like, let me see your fucking face turned around and blah, blah. He turns around and he doesn't have a scar.

He's just a regular looking man. And, but Teddy's like George noise. Like, what are you doing here? It's the guy from the other, the ex patient from before. The one who did not want to come back. Right. So George noise, he made his way back. He tells Teddy, like, this is all your fault.

Like you did this. This is because of you. Like this, you're the reason why I'm here and this and that. And he says, he says, you're not investigating anything. You're a fucking rat in a maze. And he says, they haven't left you alone. Have they, you have a new partner you've never met before. And Teddy's like, yeah, but I trust him. Like I trust he's a Marshall. I'm a Marshall. He's Marshall. And he's like, well, if you trust him, then they've already won.

And he says, they're going to take me to the lighthouse and they're going to cut into my brain. And I'm only here because of you. And then he tells Teddy, he goes, you have to take me to the lighthouse and they're going to cut into my brain and i'm only here because of you and then he tells teddy he goes you have to let go of her she's dead and then he starts hallucinating his wife behind george and george keeps yelling at him like let her go let her go or you'll never leave this place you have to let her go and then george's face is like fucked up like as if he's been beaten up. Yeah. Like his face is like kind of deformed. Yeah. George,

Jackie Earl Harley is to Rorschach from Watchmen. You guys know, I think I didn't watch Watchmen. I don't know. Great. Yeah. He's all beat up and Teddy's like, they did this to you.

Like the guards beat you up and this and that. So Teddy realizes, or he thinks to himself um if latest isn't here in ward c then he must be in that lighthouse that's the only place he hasn't checked so chuck finds him or they find each other they leave the ward and they make their way over to the lighthouse. Um, Chuck tells Teddy, like, um, Chuck tells Teddy, I found latest is in take form. Yeah. Cause Teddy's like, where were you? Cause now he's suspicious of him. He's like, where were you? And we were in there. He's like, oh, I went to the, to find the latest is patient. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's getting very suspicious of him. Um, he's like, here, here's the intake form. And Teddy's like, no, I'll look at it later.

Like, no, no, I want to make our way to the lighthouse. And Chuck's like, you don't need to go in there. Like, what are you doing? It's too dangerous. The tide is too high. Like, don't go in there. Whatever you do, don't go into the lighthouse. And Teddy's like, forget it.

You stay here. Don't come with me. I'm going. And he makes his way to the lighthouse on his own and if you can believe it this is the moment where i was like okay i have to pee and i hit pause and realize we're at the midpoint but it picks up a lot it picks up a lot from here it goes a lot quicker but just so you can understand like where my head is at there's a moment i was like what there's a lot less like detail that needs to be given from

here on out so it's gonna go a lot faster we've hit the top of the roller coaster and now we're like go go go yeah but just so you know in terms of actual time spent yeah halfway yeah i think i did that when he got into ward c and i was like yeah okay we're like okay we're probably about done nope nope nope nope sure okay so teddy gets the lighthouse but the tide is too high and there's no rocks or anything that he can go on so he's like okay i'm gonna go back to chuck we'll come back later i'll come back later whatever he goes back to where he left chuck but chuck is gone but he sees a cigarette like near the edge of the cliff because this cliff is like i don't know like 100 feet high like 200 feet high huge like huge he sees a cigarette on the edge of the cliff which they've been smoking throughout the entire um movie there's even a point where their cigarettes get um wet so they give them new cigarettes because like i don't know back in the day you

had every cigarette yeah and he looks over the edge of the cliff and he sees an outline of a body wearing white clothes on the the rocks at the bottom of the cliff so he's like oh shit so he starts climbing down this huge rock face and he gets to the bottom and he sees when he gets there it's not a body it's just like discoloration in the rocks that looks like a body wearing white clothes so we don't know where chuck is we don't know what happened to him yet um he looks up to try to like decide how he's going to get back up and then about halfway up he sees one of those caves and he sees what looks like a fire inside the cave. He's like, okay, here we go. He climbs up. He goes inside.

There's like 10,000 rats also. I just feel like that's amazing. There's so many rats. He's just like walking and climbing and he doesn't care, but there's just so many rats. I don't know what was with the rats, but they serve no purpose and they came from nowhere.

He's a rat in a maze, baby. He's a rat in a maze baby he's a rat so smart i did not get that but i only got that because when i was every time i talked about that i was going to watch this movie my boyfriend would go you're just a rat in a maze saying that line so it's like one moment in the movie but for me like oh rat it's a movie about rats uh so thanks to joel for that um yeah so he makes his way up to the cave and when he gets in there we see a woman and she introduces herself to be rachel solando the other one was a fake okay so rachel says um i shouldn't be here i've was never married i've never had kids um i was never a patient here before i was a patient here i was a doctor oh he says she said i used to work here and he goes oh you're a nurse and she goes i'm a doctor yeah thank you thank you dr solando to you dr solando yeah um and she says to um teddy she says once you're declared

insane whatever you do is declared part of that insanity reasonable protests are denial valid fear becomes paranoia so she tells teddy terrifying true and like so true um she tells teddy that she started questioning the surgeries the lobotomies the drugs that they were giving everybody she says that she was she thought it was barbaric and she wanted things to change and so they put her in there to silence her and that since she is declared insane no matter what she says she's crazy don't listen to her so she tells teddy there's experiments happening there's brainwashing people are being programmed to do horrible things like i couldn't think of the word like assassins you know like the ones that have like trigger words.

It almost reminded me of like in which she was talking about, like what they do in like the Bourne movies where that's like, yeah, take someone who is like a like, you know, violent and you brainwash them to be able to do whatever you want them to do. She's like saying they're basically doing that. Yeah. She's like stuff they would never do anyway. Like they're they're brainwashing them into doing these horrible things for them and she's like um she's like now that you're here they'll never let you leave and she's like you have some tragedy in your past right and he's like well yeah everybody does he's like no but you have tragedy and that's what they're going to point to to commit you and that they've been drugging him ever since he got there.

She's like, you ate the food, right? Like you've been smoking their cigarettes. You've been drinking their coffee. She's like, have you been getting headaches? And he's like,

yeah. And she's like, you didn't take any pills, did you? And he's like, I took aspirin. She's like, nope.

Like that's it. They have you like everything's drugged. It's too late. You know about the experiments. Everyone's like, Nope. Like that's it. They have you like, everything's drugged. It's too late. You know, about the experiments. Everyone knows about the experiments. Like everyone. She was like, you have tremors, right? So like it takes like 36 hours for the narcotics to take effect. Like, and he like looks at his hands and his hands are shaking. And she's like, you're fucking done. Yeah. She's like, that's it.

And then he's like, no, someone will help me. Someone will help me. Not everybody has to know about this. Like there have to be good people here. And she's like no someone will help me someone will help me not everybody has to know about this like there have to be good people here and she's like no everyone every other orderlies the nurses the doctors everyone like you're done dude you're not going anywhere baby rat in a maze baby it's maybe about rats we're all rats in a maze um so cut to the next morning teddy wakes up and the storm has passed and rachel's like you gotta leave like i'm on the run um i never stay in the same place you gotta get out of here so i can leave they can't find me and she's like trust no one not even um like there's no one to help you don Don't trust anyone, not even your partner, like nobody.

He's walking back to the hospital. And as he's walking back, we see the warden again, and he picks him up in his Jeep and they ride back together. And it's really like odd and tense. And the warden's talking about like violence and like being a man of violence and God loves violence. And he's like, why else would there be so much violence if God didn't love violence? And he says something like, like if I, if I stood between you and a meal, like you would crack my head open and eat my meaty parts. And you're like,

he's just going off on this like weird religious violence tangent. And then he tells teddy collie thinks that you're harmless and you can be controlled but i know different and then he drops him off at the ward and um teddy finds dr collie so they're they speak a little bit about um george noice and dr collie tells him oh he's a paranoid schizophrenic. And, you know, don't, don't listen to anything he says. And he's like, now that Rachel has been found, you can go. And Teddy's like, yeah, I'll go. Like I'm on my way out. I just have to find my partner. And Dr. Colley responds.

What do you mean? You never had a partner, Marshall. Like you came here alone. So Teddy's like, oh yeah, you you're right I never had a partner like you're right no no worries like I'm just gonna go change like I'm gonna go take a shower and I'm out of here like he just wants to get the fuck out of there so he goes to change and get out of there but then while he comes out of the shower there's a guard like guarding his escape like his way out so he kind of sneaks out and um goes like a back way and when he's going the back way he runs into max von seidel and then he's like going somewhere marshall and he's like oh yeah i gotta catch the ferry or whatever and they're talking and max von seidel reaches into his like um doctor coat or whatever into his pocket and then teddy um kind of sees what he's doing and he overpowers him and throws him against the

wall and then he reaches in and grabs it and it's a syringe he's like what is this what is this and he's like it's just a sedative it's just to relax you like it's you'll be you're fine and um he tells dr um max bonsaito he tells um teddy wound he starts talking about like trauma and like the greek word for trauma or the german word for trauma means wound and he says wounds create monsters and you are wounded marshall and when you see a monster you must stop it and then Teddy stabs him with syringe and knocks him out and he escapes. So Teddy goes outside and he finds a car and he sees his wife again. He starts hallucinating. And I think Rachel even tells him like hallucinations are part of the drugs

that they gave you. Yeah. Have you been hallucinating with tremors? Yeah. Why he's seen things um his wife is telling him like you got to go you got to get on the ferry you have to leave but chuck is like um teddy's like i have to find chuck like if if the world thinks he's dead then they can experiment on him and i can't let that happen like i can't just leave him here he's like i have to get to that lighthouse i have to stop everything he takes tie, the same tie that his wife gave him. He puts it into the gas nozzle thingy. Exhaust pipe or whatever, tailpipe.

Yeah, where you put the gas. And then he lights it on fire and then the car explodes. But while he's waiting for the car to explode, he sees that little girl from before. And she's walking over to Dolores, the wife, and then she holds her hand. And then they both stand and look at him and the car explodes and then they disappear. Okay.

He uses this distraction to get to the lighthouse. Cause everyone's like making their way over to the exploded car. So he goes the other way, goes to the lighthouse. He has to swim across to the lighthouse because the tide is high he makes it there's a guard um he knocks out the guard and takes his gun he goes inside the lighthouse um but like you know you go in a lighthouse it's just like stairs i mean i assume i've never been in a lighthouse but they're tall all movies to show stairs so he starts just like going up to level by level checking all the rooms as he goes up.

But like all the rooms are super small and like tiny, like there's nothing in any of the rooms. There's no equipment, no patients, completely empty. He like knocks on each door and nothing. Yeah. He's like his gun.

There's nothing. And there's like no sounds, no, no, like screaming, nothing. So he finally makes his way all the way to the top. He knocks down the door. And then

when he knocks it down, we see sitting behind a desk, Dr. Collie and Dr. Collie looks at Teddy and he says, why are you all wet, baby? And then Teddy's like, what, what did you just say to me? And he's like, you know what I said? He's like, you know what, Teddy, that gun is empty. Why don't you just come and sit down? Like, let's talk. And then you look over and there's a recording device. And then he picks up the phone. Dr. Colley picks up the phone. He goes like, yes, it's here.

Have Dr. Sheehan look at the guard before he comes up. And Teddy sees Dolores again. Dolores is like, you have to leave. You have to get out of here. And Teddy's like hallucinating still. But then he tells Dr. Collie, I found Rachel. She's in those case, but she's gone.

You'll never find her. She told me everything about what you guys are doing here. I know everything that's happening. I'm going to blow the lid off this place and this and that. And Dr. Collie's like, I know we'll never find her, but we'll never find her because she's not real. And Teddy tells the doctor, I know you've been drugging me. Like I know everything.

Rachel told me everything I know about the drugs. And Dr. Collie's like, well, the symptoms you're experiencing aren't from being drugged. They're withdrawal from drugs, from your medication, the medication that you've been on for the past 24 months. And then Teddy's like, you had somebody coming to my house in Boston for two years and drugging me. He's like, this doesn't make sense. And then Dr. Cully's like, no, you haven't been in Boston for two years. You've been here as a patient for two years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah yep he tells him poor leo you were a u.s or leonardo poor leonardo

if you have sympathy for anyone it should be leonardo dicaprio so he tells him you were a u.s marshal but you've come here as a patient after your crimes you've been living in a fantasy and been denying your crimes since they happened um he goes on to show us that his name is not teddy um what's his name edward something edward daniels edward daniels your name is not edward daniels your name is andrew latest and he shows them it's an anagram for each other. I love it. I am Tom Riddle.

Yes. Lord Voldemort. Yeah. Just like that. They were inspired by that. Yeah. You know it. You know,

also Rachel Solando is not real. His wife's name is Dolores Chanel. Oh, so an anagram. His wife's name is Dolores Chanel. Also an anagram. And Shutter Island is an anagram for truth and lies. Oh, my God.

OK. Is that true? It's according to IMDb trivia. You kept that from us until this moment. This bitch loves anagrams. I love an anagram. Okay. So then he tells him Andrew latest. Him is in fact,

the 67th patient at Ashcliff. It's him. He was committed for a crime. So terrible that he created a new life for himself. He basically goes on to tell us like the whole story of the movie again there's a patient escaping you're having hallucinations your dreams there's experiments cover up um your partner george noise he tells him he beat up george noise because he called him latest and that um he's hurt other patients and doctors and orderlies for using the name latest that he refuses to be Andrew latest and anyone who calls him that like

feels the wrath he then goes on to tell him that all of this has been like one big giant like role play experiment like one final chance to come back to sanity because that same board has decided that teddy will be lobotomized if he doesn't come back to sanity so that he can't hurt anyone else he tells him like you're the most dangerous person here yeah and he's like yeah I think around this point Andrew Teddy is like what about what about Chuck what about my partner yeah and then the door opens behind him and in walks

Chuck but Chuck is not Chuck his name is Dr. Sheehan he's Teddy's psychiatrist not on vacation not on vacation is Dr. Sheehan. He's Teddy's psychiatrist. Not on vacation. Not on vacation. Far from it.

Not on vacation. Having a bit of fun. A bit, yeah. Doing a role play experiment. He always wanted to be an actor. Yeah. You know, he gets to live that out a little. Okay, so then he like, Teddy seems like he's coming around a little bit and he's like calming down.

He's like, okay, this and that. But then he like jumps up and grabs the gun off his, his Marshall's gun off of Collie's desk. And then he's like, um, just yelling at them again. Like, none of this is real. You guys are messing with me and this and that. And then Collie's like, well, he's like, shoot us then like shoot us if you don't if that's your only way you're gonna get out of here is to shoot us and he pulls the gun and it's like really weird

because it shows like the doctor's getting shot but not reacting and there's like blood on the walls but they're not reacting to getting shot and then it cuts away and then it cuts back and there's no blood on the walls like it's he's like hallucinating it he like pulls he like holds the gun and he like and he's able to like break it and it's plastic and um dr sheehan's like um yeah it's a toy gun like we would never give you a real gun yeah that makes sense yeah um dr sheehan tells andrew teddy the names get oh i think that you know leo leo mark ruffalo tells leo um he says you're sick and dolores was sick she was suffering from severe depression he says you guys moved to that lake house after she set fire to the apartment and then um leo gets crazy and he pushes mark ruffalo against the wall and she he's like you don't talk about her don't talk about my wife and then um dr collie comes up and he's like look look

look and it's pictures of his children his dead children he's like look at your children look at your children look what she did to them one of the children in the pictures is the little girl from the camp the little girl he's been seen over and over his daughter his daughter rachel and he goes he tells him um collie tells him your wife drowned them at that cabin by the lake remember like you have to remember and then we get a flashback again so we see um leo get home from work disassociate henley disassociate yeah i'm far yeah okay good this is the worst part yeah um we see him get home from work he gets himself a drink he's like i blah, blah, blah. He's talking about the case he was working or whatever. Um, he goes out to the back porch and he sees his wife under there, like little gazebo on the swing. And she's just like sitting

there like very dreamily and serene and calm. And then, um, he, she gets up and walks towards him and he says, why are you all wet baby? And she's like giving him a kiss and she loves him and she's like i want to go home like let's go home and she he's like we are home like this is where we live we're home and he's like where are the kids and she goes oh they're in school i took him to school and he says it's saturday like school isn't in on a saturday and then she gets like a really like sinister look on her face and she she goes, my school is. And then he looks over to the lake and he sees all three of his kids floating face down in the lake. That's awful.

He runs in and he grabs them. But it's too late. They're all dead. He tries to give them mouth to mouth. The little girl. But and it's really sad. He's like screaming and he's like, no, no. He like grabs them

all on his arms like all at once and no i'm trying to let them go and he's screaming he's like no god like we know how good of an actor like leonard caprio so he's like screaming and and yet no nominations no oscar nom i know marvin scorsese you did not need to put this. No. Truly, this part, I was like, oh my god. Like, it's awful. It's awful. Awful. It's horrible to watch. It's horrible.

I felt so bad to put you through this, Henley. Maybe it's why he doesn't have children. This exact comment. Because otherwise, I think Leo is very well suited for parenting. Other than this, I think he's good to go.

Yeah, understand about him. I feel like the man needs a child. You could parent. So then he brings them out of the water and he lays them on the ground and Dolores comes up and sits in his lap because he's like on his knees on like in front of them or he's like sitting in front of them and he's like

still crying like rocking himself back and forth and crying she comes and sits on his lap and she's like let's give him a bath like let's change their clothes let's put them on the table like we'll be a family they'll be our little dolls and we'll go for a picnic tomorrow. And she's just like, she's very serene and she's very good in this role. Yeah. And he's like, Dolores,

if you ever loved me, please stop talking right now. And she starts crying and she's like, I love you. I love you. And she's like, please set me free, set me free.

And then they're like kissing and they're both saying like, I love you back and forth and kissing. And then we hear a gunshot and Teddy has shot Dolores in the stomach and killed her. So she falls back and she dies. And he's just sitting there like looking at his whole family, like just gone in an, in an instant. Jesus Christ.

So then we're back yeah we're back in the hospital and teddy's waking up in his room and we see his nurse is the fake rachel dr collie asked teddy do you know why you're here and he sits up and he says because i killed my wife and because she murdered our children um they quiz him some more about like the role play experiment and he you know he basically seems like he's he doesn't believe he's teddy anymore like he's he knows rachel isn't rachel solando isn't real he knows what he did he's basically like they've gotten through to him um the doctor seemed like pretty pleased. He's like snapped back to reality. But Dr. Colley tells him like, we've got, we got through to you once before and it didn't stick. So we're hoping

it will stick this time because otherwise he knows he'll have to be lobotomized. So then the next thing we see is Andrew sitting on the steps of the hospital. He's smoking a cigarette and Mark Ruffalo comes and sits next to him. And he's like, Hey, how's it going? And Andrew's like, Hey, like, you know, what's going on? And then he takes a drag of a cigarette and he's like, we got to get off this rock Chuck. Like we got to find whatever's going on here. It's bad. It's's real bad and then mark ruffalo looks over at collie and he shakes his head he's like no like it didn't work and um teddy goes yeah don't worry partner like they're not going to catch us we're too smart for them he's like yeah he's like yeah

we are and then he takes a moment he looks over um andrew looks over at Mark Ruffalo and he goes, what would be worse to live as a monster or to die as a good man? And then he stands up and he walks toward the warden and Max on Saito who were like walking toward him to come get him. And Mark Ruffalo calls out, he goes, Teddy. But he doesn't respond. He doesn't turn around, doesn't respond or anything. And he looks over at Colleen, like just nods.

And he goes with the orderlies, like the warden, no incident, nothing. And he walks off. He walks away to get lobotomized. And then the last shot we get is the lighthouse. And then the ominous music starts playing. And then cut to black. Wait, wait. Okay.

First of all, you were not lying when you said the second half went way quicker it's way faster it's it yeah you it really yeah it's all down and we just like you don't have to tell like every single line of dialogue because it's the clue yeah it's payoff baby it's pay yeah it pays off in the end okay so is the implication that leonardo dicaprio is choosing the lobotomy i think so i think it's that he does not actually slip back into insanity it's just that now that he is forced to reckon with what the reality is he chooses not to rather be lobotomized yeah he doesn't want to deal with it what's the implication i mean when you're lobotomized yeah he doesn't want to deal with it what's the implication i mean when you're lobotomized you don't actually die but i guess in a way it's a death because you're yeah you become

very like childlike like very docile and um i don't know if you lose a lot of your memories but i think it just makes you very like serene well yeah i think they also don't really know what they're doing right because we don't. I mean, that's a real fucking guess. Right. Yeah. You could be like living in a like prison in your mind, but we would never know. Yeah.

Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. What a wild. It's so sad. It is very sad. It is. I couldn't believe how sad it was. was so upset in that because also that scene

of him coming home and finding his kids it's like 10 minutes long and it is just it's like a really brutal burn like really slow my question is what's the connection to the camps like is it the implication just that he was like, had had that experience already? He was, yeah. He was a soldier. He did go to the camps. That was like probably his first like big trauma. Yeah.

To deal with all of that. And he's like an alcoholic. They show him. Yeah. He started drinking a ton when he got back from the war. And so that's also why he like didn't get his wife help. She burned down the apartment. He knew she wasn't well.

She burned down the apartment, but he never wasn't well, she burned down the apartment, but he never really, that's why the kid is like, why didn't you save me? He has a lot of guilt that he let his kids be murdered because he didn't help his wife, but it was because he had his own trauma. It's incredibly dark and sad.

Okay. So when I picked this movie, I mostly remembered just the twist. It's a great twist. Yeah, it's a great twist. And I was like, Ooh, that's a fun a fun twist like let's do that and then when i watched it i was like oh my god it's so brutal it's much less scary than i remember and much sadder than i remember it's kind of surprising how often that does happen, though. I mean, we did Jacob's Ladder recently, which was very scary, but also really fucking sad. Really, really sad.

A lot of horror tends to be, unless it's straight up slasher or gore, it tends to have some sad. Yeah, absolutely. Because that's the most traumatizing thing. that's the most traumatizing thing of all and it also like does in a way justify a lot of gnarly shit if it's just like oh this person is just like deeply traumatized yeah yeah um i will say though so in thinking about it today when i was taking notes which i didn't need because you did an incredible job and you said every single thing i was like is this way too much no it was perfect um but i was thinking back and being like so all these doctors and nurses and stuff for the the two days were like all right i guess i'll do acting today like it's like it's so funny to think back about the

nurse who's playing rachel being like i've been home. I just made breakfast for my kids. Like to a man she knows is like deeply traumatized. Like they're all just like, they have to go along with it. And it's funny to watch it. You know, I watched it a couple of times. Cause I watched it once just to watch it. And then I watched it to take notes and watching it again, like knowing the twist and like really paying attention.

They show a lot. It makes sense why like all the guards are really on edge. Right. Cause they're like, all the patients are like staring and they're like freaking out a little. Like you even hear one of the patients say like, she said something like, I don't remember what I'm supposed to remember.

I don't remember what I'm supposed to remember. She's like repeating it to herself. And you're like, Oh, because she has to like keep up this lie. Yeah. It feels like pretty detrimental to everybody else there.

For this one guy. Did they have like a pre-meeting? Yeah. Like an assembly? They must have had some sort of assembly. Yeah. I really like thinking about the mechanics of like the lead up. PowerPoint presentation. Okay, you're gonna play rachel and there's another nurse that's like i wanted to play i wanted

that's the media's part it also it really made me laugh thinking about too that like that scene where where chuck who is his actual psychiatrist but in him playing the role of the partner, he's like, this is government ops. And what if we're all lying to you? It's like, is that really helpful to your patient who's having psychosis to like lean into more paranoia? Was that in the script? He got you into the role.

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty, it's interesting to watch multiple times to see that perspective of it i think yeah holy shit what a wild ride what a wild ride yeah oh my god it's so emotional truly i disassociated yeah i was gonna say how you doing henley yeah i am great i've never been better i'm feeling on top of the world. Seriously.

Actually, though, that was such a good retelling. It was great. It was great. Oh, good. Yay. I mean, anytime you guys need somebody to come on, we are more than happy. I mean, I know. I feel I know people have said this before, but it feels weird because I talked the whole time. I felt like

I'm just talking and talking. Especially this movie. It's like, this is a lot to unpack. And you really did it. But anytime you need someone to come on, I really want to be, what did Joel say? A correspondent. A correspondent. I'm going to be him.

Whatever the five version of that is. Five respondent. Joel the gauntlet has been thrown. Yeah. Like I said, I've watched them. We've watched a million, million horror movies.

So we're always happy to talk. Amazing. I love it. Are there, are there, was there a good voice for us to do? I mean, yeah.

Well, deputy Marshall. Well, Marshall's doctor. I think of like Linda from Bob's like, yeah, I mean yeah we're deputy marshals oh yeah we're marshals uh doctor I think of like Linda from Bob's Burgers like yeah yeah yeah from all of us here I can't do it

I'm the worst at that Emily yours was good yeah yours was good federal US marshals from all of us here damn it too scary didn't watch and sit for a spell goodbye goodbye goodbye forget about it Damn it. Too scary didn't watch and sit for a spell. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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