Too Scary; Didn't Watch - SINISTER

Episode Date: August 5, 2020

A true-crime novelist, creepy kids that love creepy drawings, and your classic pagan deity that is a big patron of the arts - we're recapping Sinister! Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I like scary movies. I like telling these guys about them and I'm very excited that today, our 50th freaking episode. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. We also launched our

Patreon. What a big day for the three of us. Yes, yes. Patreon is pretty exciting. There are some fun rewards on each tier. What are some fun rewards on each tier. What are those rewards, Sammy?

We didn't totally decide on all of them. But I know that tier one will just be from the goodness of your heart, just supporting your favorite podcast. And tier two, you'll get a

bingo card. We're going to play some bingo today. We talk about bingo a lot here get a a bingo card we are going to play some bingo today we talk about bingo a lot here horror movie bingo we love it and we made some freaking merch about it we made merch about it we love it we made merch about it aka Sammy made merch

about it and Sammy made some merch about it it's fucking rules and then are we doing tier 3? That's what we hadn't decided yet That'll be a big ol' surprise Maybe there's a third tier Who knows Check it out

Be a patron of Us three Your favorite gals It's exciting and we've been doing this for 50 freaking episodes which is so cool and I just love it so much and I

love you guys so much and it's really exciting to be here. I have so much fun doing this every week and I'm so happy that our listeners like it too. Brings me a lot of joy. We have such great listeners, you guys. We talk about it all the time when we read your comments,

when we read reviews. We share them back and forth. We're like, damn, we've got the best listeners ever. So we love you guys too. 50 episodes. If we were, if we'd been married for 50 years, what's the 50th anniversary gift that you give someone?

Probably like wood or something I don't know. No 50 you get more It's like a diamond Diamonds? Oh it might be diamonds Diamonds or gold Well depending on how our Patreon does I will be getting Join our Patreon

so that we can buy each other some diamonds That's what's most needed I so that we can buy each other some diamonds. That's what's most needed in this economy. Yeah, I think that we should treat every single individual episode we do as the equivalent of a full year of marriage. Honestly, why not? Life is short, you know? I think that it is. Oh, it's gold.

We won't get diamonds until our 60th episode, so in 10 weeks. 10 weeks we get diamonds. I can't wait. Yeah. So we're going to need a lot of you to join that Patreon. We're counting on it. We want gold and diamonds. That's why we got into this podcasting independently is for gold and diamonds.

So help us out. How is everyone's week how's everyone doing um well we have another announcement which you know a bittersweet 50th episode is that it also is henley's last episode with us from California. She will be remotely joining us in future episodes from New York. She's going to take a couple weeks off because, as we mentioned last episode, she will be driving across the country listening to the Spotify playlist that you guys are putting together for her. I just want to do a quick shout out to that Spotify playlist.

It rules. There are already like five hours of songs on it. And I am so stoked to listen to it. Thank you to everyone who added anything. Did either of you guys, did anyone add anything? I didn't add anything. No. I didn't add anything.

Those are all listeners, you guys. I'm so excited. Or all Carl. Like we said, we've got good listeners. Yeah, we really do. We've got good listeners. Oh, I'm going to listen to the whole thing over and over again. Yeah, you'll definitely be on the road for more than five hours, so that'll be doable.

Yeah, so keep adding. Keep adding, friends. She's still, if you're listening to this episode right now in real time, Henley is on the road. She is still driving. So give her some songs um it is very bitter i mean it's honestly it's it's just bitter i'm really pissed off but henley's sleeping i'm pissed off um but we live in a wonderful time where we can continue to record and feel like we're together and keep this up even across the country.

And we ain't going to stop. We've been married 50 years now. What could stop us? I know. I'm really sad to not be in the same time zone as you guys anymore. But you better believe I'm just going to I'm still going to be here every week until the world ends. We hope so. Right on out till the end.

Right out into the sunset. Yeah. And I'm, yeah, I don't know. I'm really going to miss you guys. I just refuse to say goodbye. I feel like at every turn we'll still be able to see each other one last time. I'm like, I'm not really leaving. I'm in denial.

Those are my thoughts. Yeah, me too. Yeah, we're all in denial. I'm also a little like, my brain is all mixed up right now because I've been packing and you always think packing is going to be easier than it actually is. That's the moral of the story. Packing is the worst

and so is unpacking. So I'm sorry. Sorry that you've got that ahead of you can't wait both are bad um but it's a new adventure for our dear henley and and you know life is just full of unknowns as one could have guessed by what is currently happening. And you're stepping out into new uncharted territory and that's cool and brave. It's very brave. Wow. Way to bring it back around.

I tried my best. Should we get into this week's movie? We really should. And yeah, Sammy mentioned that we're going to be playing bingo. So we'll see who gets it first. I've got my Too Scary to Watch bingo card out right in front of me. I've got some Skittles ready to go.

So just keep in mind that we're going to be bingoing as we go with this week's movie. And Sammy, what is this week's movie? Well, this week's movie is Sinister. It came out in 2012. And it was kind of chosen by our listeners. We asked last week on our Instagram what the scariest movie you guys had ever seen was.

And this got the most votes. So buckle up. And it's a good one for bingo, luckily. It was directed by Scott Derrickson, written by Scott Derrickson and C. Robert Cargill, starring Ethan Hawke, Juliet Rylance, James Ransone and Nicholas King. And I had not seen it before. This was a first viewing for me. Jenna and I watched it separately and played some virtual bingo

and it was scary but it wasn't the scariest movie I've ever seen because I'm very brave now I talked to Jenna briefly today and she said that she didn't think it was that scary but everything that I google searched made it look terrifying

also Ethan Hawke in a horror movie, is that a choice he's made? He's in The Purge. Oh, he's in The Purge. We should do The Purge. I'm curious about that. Both, I believe, are Blumhouse, by the way. Oh, yep.

Big horror guy, Jason Blum. He might even be in more. I'm not positive. He was supposed to be in Insidious or he like turned down Insidious. Oof. I'm scared. I bet I'm gonna think it's fucking scary as hell.

Yeah, same. So did either of you get bingo? No, I have a sneaking suspicion none of us will get bingo. Damn it. How would the rules of the bingo go? Like, if you get bingo, what happens? Do you guys give me all

your diamonds? We give you all of the diamonds that we get off of Patreon. I will call out when a potential bingo thing happens, and if you have it on your bingo card, you mark it with your skittle or whatever you are using as a place marker. And if you get five in a row, you yell out bingo. It can be diagonal, vertical,

horizontal, mark that free space, you know, bingo. But what do you win if you win bingo? Well, you know, you can kind of do whatever you want, Henley. You could do like finish your drink when you mark a spot. This is kind of up to the player. Nobody's going to win anything, unfortunately. No, what if you just win like honor and dignity? Yeah, do it for your honor and dignity. Do it for the honor and dignity. Okay, okay.

That I like. I'll also finish my drink. Welcome to our 50th episode, Cocktail Hour. I mean, if that is not cause for a celebratory drink, I don't know what is. But if you did need more, let's just say we've got a hot dad coming up. So this week's cocktail is Papa's Pride. For this drink, you're going to need two ounces of bourbon, one ounce of sweetened ginger juice, two lemon wedges, five mint leaves, two ounces of soda water, and four to five dashes of Angostura bitters.

You will add the bourbon, ginger juice, lemon wedges, and mint to a cocktail shaker, add ice, and shake until chilled. You'll strain into a highball or Collins glass over fresh ice and top with soda water and your Angostura bitters. Then garnish with a mint sprig. Guys, cheers to you. Cheers to hot Ethan Hawke. And let's get back to it. Okay, I have some trivia.

Okay. There's one that I think is the wildest trivia i've ever read whoa high stakes high stakes i i i think i screamed when i read it i couldn't believe it oh my god i can't wait to tell you guys oh my god what is it oh my god okay so the the movie opens on a family of four being hung so i'm not spoiling anything by talking about this scene being hung yikes what year is it i i don't actually know i didn't really write down all the years it takes place in a couple different decades but uh it opens on a family being hung and they of course you know were stunt performers performing this act um but the stunt

coordinator fucked it up and actually hung all of them by their necks almost killing all four of them and then he was immediately fired that none of them died but they all like were hung for real isn't it the fucking craziest shit you've ever heard i couldn't believe it wait what i know my god how do you make that mistake how do you make that huge huge mistake and like the only thing that you're avoiding i feel like so yes but that was probably the number one thing that was to be considered what holy shit and if any of them had died he would have gone to jail for involuntary manslaughter he almost he almost killed four people four people people. Whoa, that is, Sammy, that is, you were right. That lived up to all the hype. That was fucking nuts.

I really couldn't believe it. It almost felt weird that it was just like tucked in there with the rest of the IMDb trivia. And like, it's just like another bullet point. I was like, what? I really want to know. I want to know all the details. I want to know every single thing that happened. Yeah, I saw that there is an interview.

I want to know all the details. I want to know every single thing that happened. Yeah, I saw that there is an interview. There is an interview with the director about it being like, yeah, I had to fire him immediately, obviously. But I didn't read the full interview. But I imagine people would have things to say about that experience. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

Wow, indeed. Especially because I feel like as a stunt performer you do dangerous shit all the time but that's one where it's like can you imagine if that's the thing? You like jump off buildings and do like motorcycle chases and then someone just fucks up the one thing that shouldn't

be fucked up. Well you imagine that they do lots of testing beforehand with like dummies or like fake whatever and to make sure to make sure that it's you know i don't know how you would fake a hang someone to begin with um yeah yeah apparently he did not either okay yeah yeah hire me i can do fake hangings i can do fake hangings for sure just i'll take the job i imagine you also don't get another job after that right like nobody i would hope not nobody's hiring you as a stunt coordinator after that well

i imagine that he was probably don't you feel like he was probably sued by the actors yeah probably i i am interested to know i'm interested to know more there's definitely a lawsuit for sure for sure we live in america y'all we live in america y'all we love we love our lawsuits we love our lawsuits um okay so i guess i should maybe i should have saved that one for last because now they're all going to be kind of boring but okay so we got our budget we We love a budget. $3 million. And it went on to make $87 million. Pretty good return. If I can do that math for you guys, that's good.

That's good. The writer C. Robert Cargill got the idea for this movie after a nightmare he had after watching the ring um and last thing is that there is very little blood cursing and no sex in this movie because the director was hoping i'm out oh yeah i was gonna say it was boring. Boring. He was hoping for a PG-13 rating and still got the R for it just being too scary. I guess you want a PG-13 rating because more people can see it.

Yeah, more people come to it. You make more money. But it seems like it did okay with the R rating. Yeah, 3 goes into 87 a lot of times. If we circle back. If I'm doing the math right. If we circle back, that math meant that that was pretty good.

That math checks out, I think, pretty good. Pretty good. Okay, should we watch the trailer? Yeah. New details today in the grisly murders of a local family found earlier this week. I didn't want to move here. We couldn't afford to live in the grisly murders of a local family found earlier this week. I didn't want to move here. We couldn't afford to live in the old house anymore. Plus, the new story I'm writing is here.

Is the story a good one this time? I'm going to write the best book that anybody's ever read. I got a really good feeling about this. That's the family who lived here. Do you think these are serial murders? I don't know. First one I found dates back to the 60s. The only link between all these cases is the symbol.

The symbol is associated with a pagan deity named Bagul. He consumes the souls of human children. Early Christians believed that Bagul actually lived in the images themselves and that they were gateways into his realm. Children exposed to the images were especially vulnerable to bagul's abduction sweetheart what are you doing painting i wanted to paint her picture who are you talking about stephanie she's glib No, I didn't like that at all. That looked scarier than something that could ever be PG-13.

Yeah, I don't know. That was a pipe dream for sure. Fucked up. Oh, my God. That was... I really had... I had a hard time. I had a hard time watching that trailer.

I really didn't want to be watching it. I'm proud of you for watching it. You did it. Yeah, good pick. Listeners, this looks awful. I'm going to hate it. Can't wait to hate it. Baby.

Okay, let's get into it. Do we have on any of the bingo cards, like, picture becomes a demon? Or something. I don't know how to phrase that properly, but I feel like that's definitely a theme in horror movies. Do you think that? I feel like... Yeah, like in The Ring. Okay, okay.

I feel like there are other ones where, oh, well, it wasn't really this. But what was the one where it's the shadow that's creeping around and then it becomes a demon? Conjuring 2? Yeah, Conjuring 2. The nun? Right? Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

It's, you know, demons coming out of images. It's kind of a convoluted one, Henley. No, demons being a picture. Being a picture or shadow or movie. You know the thing that demons do? Big patrons of the arts, demons. That is not one, unfortunately, Henley think if you made your if you made the type smaller i think you could fit um it's an issue of font size demon is a patron of the arts

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branch acts as a kind of pulley and as the tree branch falls down it pulls all of them up this is on kind of a super eight film we don't know what we're watching yet but it's spooky it's bad um and they they die that's awful um and then we cut to a family of four moving into a new house so if you have moving to a new house i have spooky house that counts right well spooky house will come up soon oh i can't put spooky house yet actually yeah yeah mark it it's a spooky house it's a ranch style house we've decided i hate a ranch style houses are bad well it's a spooky house it's a ranch style house we've decided ranch style houses are bad well it's spooky because we know that that's probably where the people died yeah

um we know that it's not going to be a good house mm-hmm yeah um and so they're moving in there they got their little u-haul out front this is Ethan Hawk and his name is Ellison.

And his wife, whose name is Tracy. And he has two kids, a daughter and a son, Ashley and Trevor. And we go inside and the daughter, Ashley, is immediately drawing like painting on her wall. So if you have child drawing, check that one. Check your bingo. And yeah, I guess her parents have told her like you can draw on this one wall on your room for fun. And so she's doing some spooky, spooky child drawings. Then outside, a cop pulls up and Tracy says to Ellison, like, what's he doing here?

Like, go out and talk to him. And Ellison goes and speaks to this cop who is like seemingly angry at him already. And he's like, what are you like? I think this is in really poor taste you being here and through this conversation we come to find that he is like a true crime novelist and he says something like you know the information you withheld on that last case got someone killed or something like that um and so this cop is not happy about him being there and he says um i think it would be best if you just packed up and left and never

came back which warning from a stranger i have a warning from a stranger. Um, and yeah, he basically says, yeah, like, I think it's in, I think it's, um, in poor taste that you're here or something like that. Um, and his, he walks back to his wife and she's like, oh, what did he want? And he's like, oh, he, you know, wanted an autograph, but didn't have his book. So next time or something like that. And she says, this isn't another one of those things where we're moving a few houses down from like a crime scene, right? Another one of those things.

This has happened multiple times. Apparently that is something recurring in this marriage that he moves to near a crime scene and just doesn't tell his wife very cool i mean i feel like wife not to put this on you but if you know your husband does this look up the listing yeah just do a little research you've got access do a little do a little research murders Murders in the area. Quick Google. And then they're inside the house and he goes up in that attic. Mark your bingo.

I got it. I got it. I've got it. And guess what he finds in that attic? a mysterious box of eight millimeter film and a projector with all labeled with different years and different like events and he's like huh this is so weird um we're we're getting some like vibes from the wife the family's not really happy to be there he's made them like pack up their life the kids are like we miss our old school and she's kind of like if you know if you fuck this up again like i'm taking the kids and leaving type of thing so not a great very cool great starting point for this family yeah tension in the marriage yeah uh oh relationship problems

mark your bingos it's just side side note i'm having a moment where i'm thinking it would be kind of funny to make a bingo that is actually incredibly specific where like every single one is like like only in one movie but a lot of them can be really specific to his wife yeah or it's like yeah if she, if you fuck this up again, I'm taking the kids and leaving. I bet that's in a bunch of movies, actually. Okay. I think that falls under relationship problems. Well, I know, but the whole point is that it's, you know,

like a little bit more like you just got to see. Okay. We're going to need a really a really small font for that. That's another font issue. I'm mostly interested in a small font. I want to know about the typography of the bingo card I want a tiny tiny tiny font I want to need a magnifying glass

To read these bingos Okay so they're like in a bit of a fight And she's like You keep uprooting us And making us move to these places And like you haven't written a successful book In ten years And like What are you doing

basically and then he like makes a little joke and they start giggling and cuddling and it's like a very quick turnaround that i feel like does not really happen in arguments that really bumped for me a few times the way they argue is like mean mean mean one joke and happy again. I guess, you know, it would be good if it was like that. It feels like there's some unresolved conflict, though. Yeah. When that's the course of events. Yeah. So he sets up his new office and his new house.

He's got his little detective board. It's like photos of crime scenes and the little like red string, like that kind of thing. And he's kind of like, you know, doing like, oh, where is Stephanie? We're getting a lot of little like clips of information at this point i was incredibly confused um but he's like hmm he's it's like he's doing he's doing some researching um a research montage no it's not a montage is it it it's not yet but um okay there might be one coming up um and uh then he like he sets up the this eight millimeter film that he found in the attic and he starts watching the film and the first one he watches is the one we saw in the beginning of the family of four hanging in the tree it's like first they're like having a nice little picnic and then

they hang in a tree they just inexplicably go from picnic to hanging in a tree yeah it's like we don't see how it happened okay Okay. Does he see how it happened? Do you think? No. Okay. It's a mystery. Oh my god, he loves a mystery. He's got a whole board for it. You need a board if you're gonna have a mystery. Oh my god, if you don't have a board, then you don't have a mystery. You'll never solve it.

There's a lot of him walking around at night in like the middle of the night with all the lights off in this movie which I always find very spooky he hears some mysterious noises

does he now does he now let me mark my bingo and it's a fake out and it's his daughter who is just kind of lost in the night in the new house and she's looking for where the bathroom is puts her back to bed a lot of the writing

in the opening of this movie is everyone in the family asks him are you gonna write like a really good book this time I think he gets asked that like five times. It's ridiculous. So again, the daughter.

Does that imply that all of his other books are bad? I mean, I don't know. It's he hasn't had a hit in 10 years, I think is what is what we're getting. Weird that to rely on you have to rely on a gruesome murder to have a hit. Yeah. Yeah. There's some like context of like he's been editing textbooks and shit like that. He's not happy doing that work.

He likes his big true crime hits. Right, right, right, right. So. So he puts yeah, he puts his daughter back to bed and then he goes back to his office and back to the films he puts on the next film. Oh, he's ready to watch more. Okay. He stays up all night, every night, it seems. And puts on the next film.

And it is a family kind of tied up in a car. A different family? A different family. Uh-oh. And the car has like chains around it. All the music in A different family. Uh-oh. And the car has like chains around it. All the music in this movie is real wild too. It's all like kind of

I don't know how to describe it. But it's very spooky and I read somewhere that it was like they chose music that sounded like it would be in a snuff film. Oh God. What does music sound like in a snuff film? I wish I knew how to describe it. would be in a snuff film oh god what does music sound like in a snuff film i wish i knew how to describe it who is scoring a snuff film you know i don't know but

i don't think i want to look it up it's very like i don't know it sounds like i can't think of any fucking words to describe music how do you describe music i don't know who cares i don't know noise anyways nope yeah well that is a way no it's not a cacophony it's all kind of subtle and it's you know you one thing i will say is that i kept having to like see if there was a noise happening in my house like it's so subtle yeah it's subtle but kind of real noises like knocking and I don't know yeah yeah like clinky clinky

music stuff is that what's in the snuff film? clinky knocky snuff film stuff your standard clinky knocky snuff film music mark your bingo clinky knocky also aren't all these films that he's watching they have dates on them so he has like the Mark your bingo. Mark your bingo, clinky nunky.

Also, aren't all these films that he's watching, they have dates on them? So he has like the... Yeah, so he'll see the year. There's like one in the 80s, one in the 70s, one in the 60s. Looking like one a decade, huh? I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Kind of no real rhyme or reason to it. But are they all like four person families?

It seems like. It seems that way. Hmm. Hmm. Uh oh. But so, yeah, back to this film. Eventually, the car that they're tied up in gets set on fire and the whole family is burned alive. He freaks out because now this is like

we're getting the impression that he knew about the first crime. Okay, that's like why he moved to this house. Yes, that's the one that he was initially investigating. And he's like, uh-oh, what's this? He calls 911. He's like,

I have an emergency. And then right as the operator or police chief comes on, whoever it is, comes on, he's like, he doesn't say anything. And he hangs up. He's got a big mystery on his hands, and he wants to solve it himself. Illegal. Bad. Ego getting in the way. Bad.

That should be on the bingo. Illegal. Bad. Ill way. Bad. That should be on the bingo. Illegal bad. Illegal bad. So, yeah, he he then again is. Walking down the halls at night, everyone's asleep, we're hearing more mysterious noises and and he kind of sees this big box at the end of the hall and it's it's maybe moving and he's slowly approaching it and right as he gets to it this body bursts out of it kind of in a backby way. Oh, my God. And at first I thought it was a naked woman, but it's actually his son having a very creepy night terror.

I think it counts as creepy kid. Creepy kid. Yeah. Marker bingo for sure on that one. I'll count that all day. And he runs to his son and picks him up. He's like, Trevor, Trevor, wake up. You're having another night terror.

And we learn that this kid has night terrors and they seem to be getting worse. Oh, no. Then the next day, the kids go to school and he gets right back to watching his films and he puts on the third film which is now a family tied to uh pool chairs and being one at a time thrown into the pool to drown what the fuck and then at the end of this film he notices a very scary man just walking along the bottom of the pool underwater oh no that's very scary pauses it can't quite make out like a clear face it's just a spooky face and then as he's oh as he's like watching it closer he the film catches on fire and burns up. Not good. Not a good sign. And he wants to save it.

And so we get our research montage where we're getting cuts of his Googling how to edit film. Okay. How to edit. He's splicing. He's splicing it together. He's saving these film reels. As an editor, this is when I started getting nervous. Maybe these film reels uh as an editor this is when i started getting nervous maybe this is a bad movie for an editor to be watching

um and i think that that was the correct feeling to have because he's splicing together burnt film well he's cutting out the burnt parts and kind of saving what was left okay sure um so is this footage spontaneously combust is that just like a thing that could happen that isn't supernatural it's really flammable i think it could on the projector it doesn't have a reason to be so concerned yeah other than the you know watching deaths yeah right all the deaths are bad and the creepy man walking in the um it's probably not a good sign right okay although we've all had that happen i mean come on who hasn't you go to a pool party someone's walking on the bottom um so after school the kids come home the mom is very mad at Trevor, the son, because apparently he drew a tree with a family of four hanging in it.

Oh, my God. The teacher was very disturbed. And Ellison is a little weirded out because I don't think they're supposed to know that that happened. Well, the wife doesn't even seem to really know. The wife doesn't seem to know. Wild for her still to really know. The wife doesn't seem to know. Wild for her still not to know. So it seems like he's maybe

having some night terror premonition-y type things. I'm not sure. It's really convenient that kids must draw what they see. I know, right? Really helps you understand the whole picture, yeah. Okay, so now he's back to watching the next film

which is now a family tied to a bed and someone going and slitting their throats one by one oh no that's awful and again he goes walking around that house he hears some spooky noises it's night time

again obviously he goes into the attic doesn't turn He goes walking around that house. He hears some spooky noises. It's nighttime again. Obviously. He goes into the attic, doesn't turn the light on, and is seeing a box again kind of moving around and swats at it. And it was a snake underneath the box. Oh, my God. And it slithers away and then he sees on the lid of the box there's a bunch of again child drawings of each of the things that he has just watched so it's like a stick figure drawing of a family hanging from a tree stick figure drawing of family in a pool stick figure

in a in a car and in each one there's a drawing of a spooky man next to it that says Mr. Boogie. Okay. Okay. All right. Boogie Man's more formal. Yeah. He likes to be referred to as Mr. Boogie, though. Boogie Man was my father.

You can call me Mr. Boogie. And then just as he's getting super creeped out by this, he falls through the attic floor. The floor gives way, and he kind of crashes through, and then we cut to him kind of with his leg propped up in the kitchen with an EMT and a cop. Same cop from before? Different cop.

Okay. This is, what's his name james ransone who is also in it chapter two and really blew my mind uh he's also in the wire season two as ziggy which is a character i really hated and i just never put these two together. And wow, I was shocked. Wow, Ziggy. Yes. Very important character in season two. Yes. But so anyways, so he's the cop and the EMT kind of like recommends he gets stitches.

He's like, no, I'm not going to do that. EMT leaves, like has his foot wrapped up or whatever. And the cop stays and he's like, basically a fanboy. And he's like, I'mboy and he's like i'm just wondering if i could maybe get an autograph of yours and he's like sure i have an extra copy of the book oh so i just remembered that obviously maybe another reason why he didn't want to tell the cops about it is because he'd been chastised by that other cop and he maybe didn't want to like admit that he'd been wrong or like admit that he was in a vulnerable situation right which i'd forgotten about um

yes but so so he's this cop says to him you know how in your acknowledgments in your books you usually have like a cop that you say thank you to uh uh detective so and so for all the information like i could be your detective so and so and ethan hawke is like oh hmm yeah actually i'm trying to find some information on a murder of um a family that was burned alive in a car a family that was tied onto like a pool like just these things just yeah if you don't mind and the cops like yeah yeah yeah like totally I'm gonna help you out and he's all excited about

it so this is previously unknown or I just am a little confused I was confused too all cops are book nerd I know this is a situation where you probably do want to call the cops well he is a cop

and he I think what Ethan Hawke is assuming is like these crimes maybe are you know known about already and he just doesn't know about them so he's like go check your database and I want to learn about this stuff and i mean i guess they would be anyways whatever yeah yeah

he doesn't necessarily know that these are unsolved crimes um but so yeah so he sets the cop out to go do that and um then he's in his office now watching interviews of himself. And there's this kind of ongoing theme of like, what's more important to you in life, like success or like justice type of thing. And he says something dramatic here, like, I would rather chop off my hands than thwart justice or something like that but we're kind of getting the sense that he cares a lot about the fame and fortune part would seem to yeah

um oh so he's like edited out he knows how to edit now he did his research montage he's edited some pulled some clips digitized I guess is what we would call this digitized him so now he's got some, pulled some clips, digitized, I guess is what we would call this, digitized them. So now he's got some clips on his computer and he sees Mr. Boogie in the background of each of these. Well, he already had seen it in the pool, but now he spots him in the hanging one. Aware as Waldo of Mr. Boogie, if you will. Yes, exactly. And he couldn't see it before.

Oh, he's blended in there real good. He's just needed to have it. He's blended in there real good. He's really hiding. His editing skills brought him to life. Yes exactly. Oh yeah he did the classic Lighten Zoom. Lighten Zoom. How you can always do. A classic Lighten Zoom. And his like wife

and daughter are in the kitchen and his wife says something like go bring daddy his coffee but we have to make it really special. Like he likes it so specific in such a specific way and the daughter like they make his coffee with a little french press the daughter brings it to him is like daddy i brought your coffee he takes it from her just no but he's just like thank you honey and like closes the door in her face and um jenna and i went ahead and marked this as absent parent because he's really not you know neglectful he's neglecting and i think it's special she made it special he does not give a shit okay yeah mark your bingos he is not there for his children oh well okay so this this trope

of um uh neglectful writer I feel like does pop up. Writer happens a lot. Writer happens a lot. And then in The Haunting, it was the same, where it was a guy who had gotten successful off of his books about being a ghost hunter. Right, right, right, right. In The Lodge, was he a ghost hunter ghost hunter too or was he just a novelist or like a writer he yeah i think he was a he was a uh he did like cult writing writing that's what it was cult writing yeah i feel like it comes up again and again um um but okay. So he gets, uh, then he gets a call from deputy, deputy so-and-so, which is what he is listed

as in the credits. Okay. Um, and, uh, he's basically like, okay, I found each of these cases. One was in Sacramento. One was in St. Louis. This was in 79. This was in 68. And he's like, this one, the address was, you know, two, six, seven, eight, whatever pleasant street. And he's like two one the address was you know 2678 whatever pleasant street and he's like

2678 and then he's like yeah why and he's like no nothing no reason never mind they hang up and then he pulls out basically like some paperwork that he had for his current house and sees that the tenants that lived here before him used to live on 2678 Pleasant Street in the house in Sacramento where another one of these murders happened. Oh. So he's creeped out by that. Interesting. Okay. Is the implication that they found out, wait, what was, why do you think, is the implication that they found out there was was why do you think is the implication that they found out there was a creepy murder in their house they moved and the murder still happened to them in the new house well i know what the implication is okay okay all right so i couldn't

i couldn't in good conscience if you didn't what would you guess okay fine fine fine but i would so we will know eventually yes and i can't wait i can't wait to find out i was confused for the probably first half of this movie. I felt pretty stupid. I was like, wait, what? What's happening? But we will find out. Great.

As movies usually do. But OK, so he's sitting in his desk and, you know, in on his computer, he was just zoomed in on zoomed enlightened on Mr. Boogie in the background and as he's looking at this document of this address we see Mr. Boogie turn to look at him from the clip on his computer

and then he turns back just in time for Ethan Hawke not to see him patron of the arts a real patron of the arts he wants to keep the integrity of the photo that's what it's about

but then there's a new clip on the screen where Ethan Hawke is now in one of the movies and there's a bunch of little child hands grabbing him. Okay. And he's pretty

freaked out. Yeah. But not as freaked out as he should be. Well then that's a big mistake. Big mistake. I don't remember making this movement putting in this adage. But yeah again here's some noises. He or creeping around the house at night again

he um looks he's holding the the like a printout now of the photo of mr boogie no in the bushes outside the house where the family was hung which is this house. No. And as he pulls the photo down, we see Mr. Boogie there. It's a jump scare, but then he shakes his head off and shakes his head right off. This movie is crazy. He just needed to remove his head and then he'd be fine. No, he like blinks and he's gone. And but something is there.

And so he grabs a baseball bat and he goes outside, outside. No. And he goes up to the bush. Oh, and it's Trevor again having another night. Oh, my God. What if he had hit his son with a bat? That would have been bad. Poor Trevor. He's not having a good go of it, huh?

Trevor is not doing well. How old would you been bad. Poor Trevor. He's not having a good go of it, huh? Trevor is not doing well. How old would you say Trevor is, Sammy? He's older. You know, I'd say 25. That makes the night terror thing even more scary. He's older than eight, so he's probably 25. He's definitely not eight.

The daughter might be eight, but even her, I think she might be a little older. I feel like they would be like 10 and 15, maybe? Okay. I feel like from the trailer, Trevor looks more like a 13. 13, okay, okay. Or 25. 13 to somewhere between 13 and 25.

Got it, got it. I picture it perfectly. But so, okay, so then, you know, he comes back in, there's commotion. The wife is like, what's going on? His night terrors are getting so much worse since we've been here. Like, can we please just move back home? Like this place is not good for our kids.

You're drinking more. That's another thing. Heavy drinking. Mark your bingos. Have we seen him drinking? You haven't mentioned that. We have. It's kind of been progressively

Okay okay Every time he's watching these films If you're watching movies of people in real life Dying over and over and over again you're gonna drink more Yeah exactly Um and So I don't blame him for his choices We don't judge here

But he He yells right back at her. I've never been on anything this big before. Like, this is going to be the greatest book of my life. Oh, it's just going to get us all killed, too. No big deal. Thanks. Yeah.

So and again, this fight ends with a giggle. No. Yeah, no. It's getting more unrealistic every time. Because there was a dog outside and she's like, why did you come back in looking scared as a ghost? And there was a spooky dog or a dog barking a lot,

like a pit bull or something. And it's like, I saw a dog and then they start cracking up. And it's like, what? You were just having a pretty real fight. I don't think this dog would cut the tension in the way that you're making it seem like it does anyways um so then uh the next day deputy so-and-so comes over and um he's he's basically like okay fill me in some on some more of this info do you think like these

murders are related do you think this is maybe a serial killer? Like you gotta let me in here. So he takes him into his little detective room with his photos and his printouts now of the screenshots from the movies more red string connecting things together and

in each of the films he's printed out it has this symbol written in the crime scenes. And Deputy so-and-so like says, that looks like an occult symbol. We need to talk to Professor Jonas. He's like an expert on occult stuff. He does a little video chat with Professor Jonas, shows him the symbol, and he says, this is a symbol of a pagan deity named Bagul, who is a eater of children's souls. Legend has it.

Classic. And he says, oh, that's the other thing is in the beginning, like when he was writing, where's Stephanie? There is kind of like this question who's like who's Stephanie apparently when this family was hung uh their daughter was missing it was a family of five

four were hung and the fifth was gone fifth is gone oh scary so that's why he moved into this house because he wants to get figure out where Stephanie is so he can make that his book. Yes. Oh, so he didn't know about the hanging. No, he did know about the hanging. He knew about the hanging, but he didn't know about the other things

he's known about. Yes, he didn't know about these other crimes, but they're realizing that each of these crimes, there is a missing kid. Oh, my God. And so, yeah, and so the professor says like each of your stories has a missing kid, right?

This could be some sort of cult initiation. Mention of cult. I say market. Yeah, market. Mention of a cult. Not a cult. A cult. Yes, but there's both. Ooh, I only have a cult on mine, not a cult.

I also only have a cult. Okay, not a cult. I also only have a cult. Okay, so we got some info about Bagul. It's not sounding good. Doesn't sound good, no. But okay, so he's walking around the house at night again, his favorite pastime. And this time there's mysterious noises. time there's mysterious noises and as he's kind of looking out a window or something

we see a dead little girl behind him oh my god like a ghost or a corpse more like a corpse it's a ghost I guess but or zombie or zombie ghost but the scene it's really wild

um all of the kids are I guess I just spoiled there's more um but so yeah he doesn't see her and he's moving through the house and we kind of see kids pop up in different rooms of the house that he's not seeing they all look dead they have like cuts on their faces and they're like stand they're like just yeah but then they kind of run as he turns but they're they're running in slow motion in a way that looks like they're underwater it's cool the way they've filmed it like he's moving regular speed and they're all moving slow motion okay Okay. In a kind of floaty, underwater-y type way. And he's

going into the rooms to check on his kids. He sees Trevor's in bed. He sees Ashley's in bed. And then as he closes the door in Ashley's room, the camera pans around. We see Ashley's face. Her eyes are wide open. And then we cut to what she

sees, which is a little dead girl crouched in the corner of her room. Now there is a drawing on the wall of Bagul. Okie dokies. And the little dead girl just does a shh. Oh, as you do.

No. As you do. As you do. Ellison is very scared, still kind of hearing noises, but he's like basically not sleeping anymore and uh drinking all the time and so he's got his baseball bat in his hand and he sits down on the couch and falls asleep um and next morning so and so comes over again and

ellison's obviously not doing well he's like man last night i like could have sworn someone was in the house i i i woke up on the couch with the baseball bat in my hand like i don't know what's going on did any of the previous tenants ever mention anything like did they say they saw anything in the house when they lived here? And so-and-so is like, no, but like, you've been drinking a lot. Like, every time I come over, you've got a bottle of whiskey and some gaslighting, I'd say. Sure, sure, sure. Although also kind of legitimate at this point. True.

True. But let's mark it. Let's mark it. Let's mark it let's mark it let's mark it um damn i don't think i'm gonna i have them all over but none that are gonna give me the reward i want that sweet sweet honor and dignity um and then so and so says to him uh does your wife know like what happened in this house and he says no she doesn't and he's like well i'd hate to be there for that conversation and he's like yeah it's okay hopefully there'll be a dog and then everything yes so i'm just just a little dog to cut that tension. She'll just laugh it off. And then so-and-so leaves and the wife, Tracy, yells like,

Allison, get in here. Your daughter just drew on the wall in the hallway. Like, she's not supposed to draw anywhere but the wall we let her draw in her room. And she has drawn a little girl on a tire swing on a wall in the hallway and she says like she says well stephanie made me do it and and the mom says who is stephanie and she says um she's the little girl who died here she used to live here she told me to draw it and the wife turns to allison's like that happened here because i guess she knows that that's like the story oh because earl in the beginning she said are we moving a

few houses down yeah but he moved them into the house yeah and so she freaks out oh no they get in a big, big fight. And she's like, I can't believe you would do this. Like, the kids are not doing well here. Like, what are your priorities? Like, my book. And he says, yeah, he says, he says, like, my book. He says, my book.

Basically, he's like writing. You know, writing is what gives my life purpose. Writing is my books are my legacy. And she's like writing you know writing is what gives my life purpose writing is my books are my legacy and she's like you have children she says excuse me i give your life purpose your children are your legacy and um yeah they get in a big fight and luckily this one also though like i give your life purpose yeah it's also know. It's also an unhealthy perspective. True, true. I'm on her side, but I'm just saying. Yeah. Fair, fair for fair. But, so, okay,

so they get in a big fight, and then that night, Elson, while he's sleeping, he's woken up in the night by a flashlight shining in his face, and we don't see who's shining the flashlight

Mr. Boogeyman, Elbegore Elbegore Elbegore Elbegore Well if it isn't Elbegore Mr. Boogie Pants He always says flashlight out the door. Mr. Boogie Pants.

He always says flashlights. Oh, God. But then the flashlight goes off. We don't see who it is. He just gets up, senses someone is there. Again, gets up, walking around the house at night. And

now he sees the stairs to the attic have been brought down in the hallway. He's like, what the fuck? Climbs up. And there are the five dead children that we saw. Each of the missing children? That's what we think. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. And that is what it is. Okay. Great. Yeah. It's what we think. And. Okay. And that is what it is. Okay. It's what we think. And we're right. And they're kind of all sitting around in a circle and they're watching the projection

of the films. And we're seeing Bagul in the film. And then he pops into the front of the frame and like jumps in Ethan Hawke's face. Ethan Hawke falls off of the front of the frame and like jumps in Ethan Hawke's face Ethan Hawke falls off of the the stairs of the attic and then after him they like throw down the projector and the films

and he's like he's finally like okay fuck this grabs all this grabs all the films goes outside burns them sets them all on fire the wife comes out and is like what's going on what's happening why what are you doing and he's like pack up the kids we're leaving we're going back to old house um i don't know that that's how it works when you move you

don't just get to yeah go back to i mean normally right back to your old house we kept that other house on reserve it's still there waiting for us also as someone who is moving as we speak the idea of just packing up your house constantly is my worst nightmare that's exhausting that's worse than mr boogie pounce one of them is worse and it's moving this poor woman yeah but she's like happy because she's been wanting to go. So they're like, great. They wake up the kids in the middle of night. They pack up the car.

They're driving away. They're speeding away. They're speeding so fast that they get pulled over by the cop from the beginning that hates him. And he's basically just like, we're leaving town. You were right. We want to leave and we never want to come back. And he's like, great. And he like tears up the ticket he's like no problem

here then get out of here we hate you um and so now they're back in their old house which is a big spooky mansion um we already got a creepy house so that's fine but if we didn't before we do now we do now yeah definitely do now

um and they're unpacking again and uh he gets like an email from professor jonas again that's like some more kind of uh kind of texts and paintings of this same symbol that he's been seeing and he's like oh um you know the cases that you were talking about they must have been from like here and here or whatever this is like not he says like this isn't um a pentagram like this isn't a well-known image like this isn't going to be like teenagers doing this there's like very little information on this specific legend. Like a lot of this, these texts about Bagul have been lost.

Like this isn't common knowledge. But the legend is that Bagul lived in these images. And so whoever saw them would be possessed by them and he would get them to do horrible things. And children who saw them would be especially vulnerable. So the missing kids killed their own families. So, yes. I need a board. I'm a detective.

You got you got to get you don't even need a board. Yeah. Emily's already all over it and so he's like well okay so if I if I destroy if you were to destroy the art and like the video clips that he was in

that would like close the passageway right like he wouldn't be able to come out of the clips if you like burned for example the 8mm films and professors like wait what are you talking about like you actually have seen him and he's like no nothing never mind bye like hangs up and he like you know lassos like the quick times on his desktop trash trashes them empties trash like i mean i was worried for a second but he remembered to empty the trash and then and then he like goes back up into the attic

he's like boxes up the rest of his stuff and he goes to go put it up in the attic and then in the attic is the very same box from the first house that has been moved back and he he picks it up he looks inside and there's a new little envelope that says

extended cuts what a little trolly boy this demon is this demon's a little trolly boy and then he gets another call from so and so who is like kind of panicked. And he's like, oh, fuck. Like, you shouldn't have moved like the like.

I figured out the link between each of these cases. And it's that each victim, each family of victims lived in the house of the previous victims so it's like a chain of basically uh whoever moves next into the house where the last murder happened

and then the next house that they move but they're not a victim until they move not until they move so technically could have stayed in that house technically staying in the house would have been the right the right call so you should never let fear win that's the moral of the story yes oh boy um so he's like oh fuck and he throws on those extended endings. We see each time it was the missing child, and they kind of go up to camera and do an evil little smile

after killing their family and wave at the camera. Ew, I hate it. Evil little possessed kids, I guess. Being killed by your child is definitely worse than being killed by a demon i know it's like the same thing but in the moment you don't know that and boy it would be bad yeah yeah that would be really bad really bad um but so he's like drinking his coffee because i don't think he slept at all this whole time and um as he sets his coffee down, he starts foaming from the mouth. Okay.

He has been poisoned. The little girl made his coffee. The little girl made his coffee. She made it perfectly for him. He falls down backwards off his chair and she's standing there watching him. He's kind of seizing. She's walking towards him dragging a big axe.

Oh, that's scary. Oh, he like blacks out from being poisoned but comes back too and he's all tied up. Oh no. And duct taped. And she says, don't worry daddy. I'll make you famous again.

Oh, fuck. Yeah. Honestly, I fucking love it. I'm here for it. And we don't see anything happen, but we just see blood all over the walls of the whole house. Just all these slow shots kind of moving. Yeah, because they're trying to get PG-13. Yeah.

I was like, all right, this. Yeah. Se seeming less and less like a pg-13 movie um and then we see her with like she's covered the little girl's covered in blood and she's drawing on that the same um it's like i think it's the top of the box that the movies came in and so now she's drawing her crime scene and it's her whole family all chopped up oh god and um oh no puts it puts it back down puts uh we're seeing the rest of the kids in the film projecting on the, kind of watching her from the film. Who is their cinematographer? And then she walks into the film and joins them. And then Bagul pops out behind her,

but she's not scared, they're friends. Mm-hmm. And he picks her up and, yeah, carries her into the film and then walks away. We see that all of them walk away him and all the children and then um

we go back to the box of films in the attic and there's a new one there that says house painting and then there's one last jumps here bagul pops in the frame and goes

and that's it that's the end of the movie oh my god they the family died they all they all get chopped up they get chopped up that's bad yeah that's a pretty like I don't know there's something kind of like unceremonious about all the entire

family being like chopped up in such a brutal way. Yeah, I really expected him to like find a way out of it or at least. He didn't fight Bagul at all. It happens immediately. There was no Bagul fight. No Bagul fight. No Bagul fight. Yeah, that's my main complaint.

Holy shit. Guys, I was so close to getting bingo. All I needed was a dream sequence and I would have been there. I was really close also. There was when the flashlight happens, it's filmed in such a way where it kind of seems like a dream sequence. And when Jenna and I were watching, I was like, dream sequence, please, please, please, please.

But it's not. It ends up being real. Yeah. All I needed was a psychic. So I was really crossing my fingers. Damn. Damn. Yeah, I needed too many. Or I needed a Ouija board. I could have gotten by with a

Ouija board. I needed a record player or a nasty nightgown. Yeah, nasty nightgown I could have used too. Damn. Holy shit. That sounds really scary. It was scary, but manageable, I thought. You guys, yeah, you would not like it. that sounds really scary it was it was scary but um manageable i thought you guys yeah you

would not like it no i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't i it's it does hit all the points though the you know the neglectful parent the creepy house the you know it was a good one for bingo reaching out to an expert who can reveal all the necessary secrets yeah yeah damn also I feel like that's a it's such a horror movie trope where you find out exactly what you needed to know like 20 minutes too late

like damn if this call had come through just 20 minutes before yeah um damn one thing at the end I was like come through just 20 minutes before. Yeah. Um, but, uh, one thing at the end, I was like, I bet editing this movie was so much scarier

than the movie, because you would just be looking at Bagul all day. Yeah, when we watched the trailer, I was like, oh, because you said the writer had a nightmare about the ring, because it does have that feeling of like, yeah, that thing of if you see it, oh it's because you said that the writer had a nightmare about the ring that because it does have that feeling of like yeah that thing of if you see it then it's

which is so scary as a person watching it because you're like but I watched it yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly but I only heard about it so I guess I watched the trailer oh no oh no I can never move maybe that counts I can never move oh my god counts. I can never move.

Oh, my God, Henley, you can't move. Leave. Gotcha. You have to stay. Oh, no. Yeah, that is a scary idea because it implicates the audience. It makes you go home and second guess everything. I don't know. Were you

Jenna was not scared after watching this. Sammy, were you scared after watching it? No, I wasn't too scared. I'm so brave. You're so brave. I will say watching that trailer, looking at that trailer, I fucking hated it and I wanted it to end. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the trailer.

So I bet I would have been very scared. There is a Sinister 2 which I'm curious about. Was Ethan Hawke in it? I think he is actually. Oh my god! I think they're listed on the cast but you know, there's so much flashbacks to the other murders that

it might just be the tape of theirs. Tony Collette and Ethan Hawke need to be in a horror movie together. Oh, I would love that. I would love that. That would be good. That would be good. And what's her name?

Mary Beth Winston. Is that her name? Mary Elizabeth. Mary Elizabeth. Oh, I just called her by her nickname, Mary Beth. I call her Mary Beth. Mary Beth Elbegool. Zip boogie pantsants We're all friends

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and look if you're still here listening you think so too but really if you're still here listening my god thank you so much I don't think there were really any voices in this But really, if you're still here listening, my God, thank you so much. Thank you so much. I don't think there were really any voices in this. I guess. Did we learn anything? Oh, yeah.

Did we learn anything? Yeah. Not to move. And don't move. Don't move. That's the only and most important lesson. Oh, and don't laugh it off if you think you're having trouble in your relationship. Yeah. Talk about it.

Really communicate. Communicate. And do, maybe if your husband has a habit of lying to you about where you've moved, just do a little nip it in the bud. Just nip it in the bud. Yeah, start looking at the red fin of your own

accord. Yes, pull up your Zillow. Do what you gotta do. What if Zillow did say that? They were like, there have been three murders in this house and i think they should they don't do they definitely don't do that they definitely don't do that no i mean i'm sure that google would provide some results but it's not i think you might have to dig a little bit to find that i think you would have to do to be fair i think you would have to dig all right and one would always hope that your husband you know it's got to be public

information right i would think murders like that honestly husband, you know, is forthright. It's got to be public information, right? I would think. Murders like that? Honestly, I don't know. If there's been like a newspaper article about it, yes. But if not, would it be public information? Not necessarily. Not necessarily.

I thought they had to disclose that shit to you. I don't know if they do. I think only in a certain period of time. Also, my God, think of all the murders we've never even heard about. Think about it. There's been a lot it there's been a lot so on that note

on that note a real high note for our 50th episode just think of all the murders just think of all the murders and hey goodbye goodbye goodbye

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