Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE CONJURING 2 with Betsy Sodaro

Episode Date: July 15, 2020

Homemade ouija boards, zoetropes, and an unnecessary Elvis singalong - we're recapping The Conjuring 2! Our wonderful horrorspondent Betsy Sodaro (A Funny Feeling, We Love Trash) is back to guide us through the second installment of The Conjuring series. Join us to find out if Ed & Lorraine Warren love each other and, more importantly, if Henley is haunted! Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy, and I love watching scary movies and telling these too scared people about them. Guys, now I'm like suddenly getting an irrational fear I'm going to forget to say my name or what i'm supposed to say i've said it so many times that now i'm like what's my name i forget you did it already what happens you did a good job you did it exactly right i know thank god i didn't thank god um who really touched and go there for a second?

The bar is low. The bar is low for performance on my end. We're just doing the best we can. On that note, how are we doing? What's up? What's up, everyone? I have seen three cockroaches in my house in the past three days and i'm really not pleased about no that's not um and two of the three once they noticed me they kind of froze and looked scared

in a way that was kind of endearing like okay that's enough no anthropomorphizing the cockroaches they looked startled and they both kind of scampered back into a hole in the wall that has since been filled. I called my landlord and was like, we need to patch up some of these holes. Okay. Okay. Okay. But the third one I had to do battle with and I actually did really well.

I was really proud of myself. It came just into my living room, and I grabbed a broom and opened the front door and just swatted at it until it got outside, and it clung to the broom for a little bit, so I looked down, and it was still on there, and I started screaming and really banged it, but I got it.

I did it. Oh, they were big, too, Sammy. You sent us a photo. Yeah, you sent us a picture. That was not a small cockroach. That was the big too, Sammy. You sent us a photo. Yeah, you sent us a picture. That was, it was not a small cockroach. That was the first one, yeah. He's pretty big. He's a pretty big boy.

I'd say he was also the smallest. Oh, no. That's crazy. That's not okay. No, no. Emily, what about you? What about me? I, I, we were just talking about this

Just in life but I finished a TV show and I don't normally like To finish TV shows Because I don't want them to be done So I really I will start something And then never never finish it I've done that with The Sopranos I'm literally halfway through The Sopranos

Halfway through Downton Abbey And I was halfway through And this is just one season but'm literally halfway through The Sopranos, halfway through Downton Abbey. And I was halfway through and this is just one season, but I was halfway through Normal People. And I made my I made myself finish it last night. And and I've already even read it. I've read it. So I know how it ends. It's like, what? I don't even I just didn't want to not have it to watch anymore. But I did it and I watched it. And that's a horny show. And you're reading a horny book. I did it and I watched it. That's a horny show and you're reading a horny book.

Well, I finished the horny book. Yeah. It is a horny show. Oh, my God. That was also part of the reason why I couldn't watch too much of it in any given moment. Because I was like, this is crazy. I can't watch. I'm getting heated.

I'm here alone watching this show. This is crazy. Oh, I'm so excited. I'm getting heated. I'm here alone watching this show. This is crazy. Oh, I'm so excited. I'm so excited to watch the show. We keep telling you to watch it. It's I mean, it's great. We both Sammy and I have been like, it's not the best show in the world, but it's very good. We're just trying not to hype it up too much.

It's very good. It is a wonderful adaptation of the book. One better than the book, I would say. I think so, too. Last night, I was complaining that I didn't want to watch it because I felt like it had been hyped up too much. And then you guys were quick to say, oh, no,

no, no. We don't want to hype it up too much. It's not like it's the best show. And then you guys did exactly what you just did, where you were like, but it's better than the book it's beautiful it's stunning but it is all those things henley that's just true that's not hype that's fact that's definition of hype and irish accents and you know i can't get enough of an

irish accent and uh several moments of male full frontal which on a tv show on a on a 20 minute tv show i was like excuse me um i look it's great if i can just watch it okay i will great what's up with you um on a on a less fun note i got tested for coronavirus yesterday for the first time, which was at Dodger Stadium. Yeah. And I was like, surprised. So there have been multiple moments throughout this, you know, the past few months where I have felt a little bit like, oh, is this living in a dystopia? Is this what it is? Or not, not yet. But, you know, I'm very grateful to have access to free testing. That's pretty convenient. It really is great.

It really is great. It really is great. But pulling into Dodger Stadium, I was definitely like, oh, I'm in a dystopia. Just the main thing is- It just feels bizarre it's so bizarre because there are these huge video screens of eric garcetti giving them this creepy like robotic speech in both english and spanish and it's like what he's standing in this like presidential library to this station on your radio to hear the, and everyone's in, yeah. Yeah, everyone's in protective gear.

There are signs everywhere that are like, don't roll your window down. Don't get out of your car. And, you know, they hand you the test with like a little robotic arm outside of the... That short women,

you know, as an example, I might now have to use to like get things off, like off the top of the refrigerator. It's like, that's like one of those things. And on the one hand, it was so,

it was like, you know, it only took around an hour to do it, which didn't seem that bad. It's free. I feel really grateful that I can get a test. But on the other hand, just the experience of being there was like, well, this isn't right. This is not how life is supposed to be functioning.

Yeah, no, things are not right at the moment. Things are not right. This isn't what Dodger Stadium is for. Dodger Stadium is for baseball. It's for baseball. Except they did open it up for a fucking baseball game and they closed down the coronavirus testing center for a few days, which is like ridiculous. Well, that's not right either. That's also not right. Nothing's right.

Nothing's right. That's it. That's it for me. Well, guys, when I was doing battle with the cockroach was in the middle of this week's movie, which is not an ideal time to have to go to battle. 2016 directed by james wan written by chad and carrie hayes and james wan and david leslie johnson mcgoldrick starring patrick wilson vera farmiga francis o'connor madison wolf lauren esposito and simon mcbirney oh the first when i pulled up to look for this movie the first thing i saw in like reviews was so much scarier than the first and I thought oh no

but but get well we'll see and wow we're so excited we have we have a guest with us you already know her and love her because she's been here before we've got her back we've got Betsy Sedaro

welcome four we've got her back we've got betsy sadara welcome thank you welcome back you kidding it's my favorite thing to just scream horror movie plots at people oh it's the best it's my favorite it's our favorite thing too i love it it's so much fun. How you doing Betsy? Pretty good. You know, plugging away just I was complaining, not complaining, but I was saying before that I had a day where I was just

tired. Yeah. All day long and just kind of like, oh I gotta take a nap which I take, don't get me wrong, I take naps almost every day anyways but this one was like oh I like need it do you ever have those naps where you wake

up and you like don't know where you are and what day it is I had one of those the other day where it was like I was just dead I think for two hours and yes especially when the sun goes down and you wake up yeah yeah yeah what what day is that's my rule i can't i won't i won't nap if i've missed the sun like which is why it's very

hard in the winter because when the sun sets at like five your nap window is yeah small but i always wake up thinking it's the next day or where am i or what i can't do it I've called uh work before thinking I'm late because I used to work for Sony where I would have to like I would have to get to work at like 6 a.m or something so it was usually always dark anyways and there were a couple of times where it was like a Friday so it was the weekend but I would take a nap and then wake up at like 6 30 and it would be dark out because it was winter time and I'd be like out because it was wintertime. And I'd be like, oh my God, I'm fucking late to work. And I like called my boss and she was like, Betsy, it's Friday.

I just saw you like seven hours ago. It's fine. I'm like, oh yeah, okay. I just took a really wild nap, man. Yeah. I'm sorry. Okay. I want to watch this normal people show it sounds horny it's sexy it is fancy holy shit it is it's horny but yeah more importantly as sammy just said

it's it's sexy it's like it's oh my god okay i'm gonna check it out. And the guy always wears a little gold thin, thin, thin gold chain necklace. And there's a very fun Instagram account called Connell's Chain. That's just pictures of him in his chain. And it's like, yeah, this is exactly

the content I want and need. This is where my brain needs to rest in this moment of life. Great. Highly recommend. Okay, I'm going to check it out. I need a good sexy show. Oh, yeah. This is the one. Text me when you start watching it because as soon as it starts, you'll be like,

oh, I see. I see what this is. Okay. I'm excited. Holy shit. I'm excited to get so horny I have to stop watching TV. Right? Yeah. I'm going to see if Manny I have to stop watching TV Right? Yeah I'm gonna see if Mano Wants to watch it Especially since

There's full frontal dudes I think we're gonna Really have a good time Yeah There's something for everybody You know Yes That's awesome

Betsy we have some other Exciting news for you God bless you for me you are officially a TSDW correspondent a term that Joel coined Joel coined the term

to apply it to himself our good friend Joel any three time guest is technically you've been on this your third time even though one of the episodes Our good friend Joel. Any three-time guest is a... Technically, you've been on this your third time, even though one of the episodes was lost to the spirits. But so yeah, your third time,

you're technically a horror-respondent. Oh, that's the best news I've ever heard. Thank you. I'm so excited. Emily and I, we watched Changeling. I set up my backyard as we have a projector, so we safely, six feet apart,

watched the Changeling, but we got pretty hammered. We sat outside while the Changeling was on. Exactly we just we screamed about everything we yeah we sat outside and pretty much caught up while the changeling was on and i would be like wait wait we all need to watch this scary part okay let's go back to screaming about how wild everything

is right now but yeah so we were gonna we were gonna bring betsy on to redo the changeling which was the last episode so listeners Watch the changeling We'll never find a way to talk about it on this podcast We're never allowed to It's not gonna happen for us And that's fine That's fine

We did wanna do a super scary one And Why not bring Why not bring back the Conjuring universe? Hell yeah. Is it actually scarier than the first one? Not to me. I don't think so. I went on

a roller coaster ride with this movie when it came out right around my birthday. Which is right by my birthday. I just want to say, Betsy, I just found out that you're a Gemini as well. Mine is June 8 my birthday I just want to say Betsy I just found out that you're a Gemini as well mine is June 8th and I feel very excited to know another Gemini

I don't know a lot of them fuck yeah dude hell yeah Gemini's fucking rule yeah they do go Trump go Trump I'm just kidding but I'm just kidding, but he's the famous one.

He's making it bad for all of us. Making us all look bad. Who are other Geminis? Who are other famous Geminis? Kanye West. We've got some bad ones. Oh no! Sammy's got to bring a good one in here. You've got to bring a good one into the crowd. Didn't we figure out Courtney Cox's one? She's good, right?

We did. Gemini Queen. Gemini Queen. one in here you gotta bring a good one um didn't we figure out courtney cox's one she's good right we did gemini queen we yep yep gemini queen that's good oh great we got trump kanye and me and betsy we should be good enough for you guys okay so so it does yeah it came out on your birthday came out on my birthday or right before it and so i on that opening night like that thursday night a group of us a big group of us went to city walk and went to bubba gums and got wasted fun super fun super fun and then we went and watched it at city walk and i i can't i couldn't i remembered some stuff from it but I was like that fucking sucked man and I just I also because I love the first one so much so I think

I was also going in there being like okay fucking wow me prove it impress me because the first one did and this one might not but then I watched it on an airplane on my way to New Orleans and legitimately it was a day flight.

And I kept getting scared while watching it on a tiny screen. And I was like, maybe this movie's cool. And then I rewatched it this week. And I was like, I think this movie rules. I think I love this movie. Yeah. Yeah. I think I love this movie yeah yeah it's because I thought my drunk mind and it's because I was drunk

was like it's boring like we spend too much time on like Ed and Lorraine's love story which I still think that's true but like but then watching it this week, I was like, wait, it's like fun

and pretty nonstop scary. Yeah, it's scary. It's definitely scary. This was my first time seeing it. And I agree that I don't think it's as good as number one, but I was definitely spooked. And James Wan is just such a good director that his movies are just so visually cool.

Yeah. And once again, like all the acting is just really good. Yeah. Can you believe that that makes such a difference? It really does. Really good acting makes movies good? Weird. What else has James Wan directed?

Well, he did the original. Is he Saw? No. Yeah, he? Well, he did the original. Is he Saw? No. Yeah, he did Saw. And he did the original Conjuring. He's done some Fast and Furious. Yeah. Oh, right.

I think he did Furious 7, if I recall correctly. That was a popular Furious. That was a popular Furious. That was a very popular furious. Yeah. I like referring to them as furiouses. Oh, baby, it is cocktail hour. And this week's cocktail is a London Calling.

This movie takes place in London, and that is pretty much all there is to it. Look, I'm tired. To make a London Calling, you will need one and a half ounces of London Dry Gin, half an ounce of Fino Sherry, third of an ounce of freshly squeezed lemon juice, quarter of an ounce simple syrup, and two dashes of orange bitters. You will shake all ingredients with ice and fine strain into a chilled Nick and Nora glass and garnish with a grapefruit zest twist. ingredients with ice and fine strain into a chilled Nick and Nora glass and garnish with a grapefruit zest twist.

I think this is going to be a scary one. So please just make as many of these as you need to get through it. I do fully support you and cheers. Do we have any trivia for this? I have just a few little things. I know we like to get our budget and profit. We'll have to get it. That's important.

We love a budget. The budget is $40 million. Whoa. Whoa. Which was double the original Conjuring budget, which kind of surprised me. Because it doesn't look like twice as expensive, I didn't think. Uh-uh. I didn't think so at all.

It was probably above the line. Yeah, that's true. I bet it was Vera. Yeah. Yeah, Vera Vera's like I'll do it for 35 million dollars And you're like okay Vera Please Be reasonable Please And then it made 320 million

So pretty good return Yeah holy shit But I think that's about the same that the original conjuring made as well um but then also james wan was offered to direct another furious fate of the furious the eighth furious um and he turned it down to direct this movie. I think that's all I had. Wait one second. Oh, it's based on a true story. Again, you hate to hear it, but that's how these movies do it.

These are called, the true story is called the Enfield Poltergeist. And yuck. I'm not super familiar with what distinguishes a poltergeist from other spirits. Will I learn in this? You know, no, I don't. I don't know. Actually, they don't really. They're ghosts, right?

Ish. So I've heard because I didn't. I always thought I was like, oh, they're just little like kind of more like rascal ghosts. Like, yeah, they're like stinkers. Jokesteries. Yeah, they're little stinkers. Jokester-y stinkers. Yeah, they're little stinker ghosts. But there's also the theory of like poltergeist.

I'm going to eat shit while explaining this, so I probably will get a lot of it wrong. But the idea of like it, poltergeist activity happens a lot around teenagers where a lot of hormones and emotions are happening.

And I don't know then what you would call it. I should just look it up. I'm on my computer, but I'm not going to. Where it is kind of like all of that energy manifests itself. So they're like somehow connected to that energy, that like chaotic hormonal like. Yeah, and that's why they're stinkers. That's why they're stinkers because preteen teens are stinkers.

Little stinkers. It's more ways than one. Little stinkers. But yeah, like this case, I haven't like researched a ton of it or I've tried watching an A&E. They did a mini series, but I got kind of bored about it

but it was like this huge case in England and like one of the most what's the word recorded? Oh yeah like reported on and like pictures tapes like

lots of evidence. Well documented. Well documented. But then a lot of people thinking like, oh, it's a hoax. This family's doing it on purpose to where even the girl who was possessed or whatever, years and years later came out and was like I was doing some of that stuff on purpose. Right. And that kind of gave people a reason

to think that Ed and Lorraine Warren are also full of shit. Right. Which they've been getting that heat forever. They were like more proof that they're just you know chasing the spotlight. Yeah. So wait so this happens in England this movie?

That's right. We are British people? Oh, yeah. Yeah, baby, yeah. I can bow and pass up. Oh, my God. It's kind of a South London-y accent. South, you know, when they do the Fs,

except I think they're actually north of London. Do you guys all, does everyone here believe fully in ghosts I do yeah fully yeah Sammy do you believe in ghosts you do don't you yeah I guess so I don't believe in ghosts

okay and I'm gonna keep saying this out loud until a ghost proves me I'm scared for you that is exactly why I will never say that. Which must mean I believe in them. Because I'm like, I... You've also seen one. Right, I forgot that I have.

Come on. I always forget that I have because I don't want to have. You block it out. I totally get that. I guess I do believe in them. I guess I do believe in them. And also, like like why would i if

if if i'm gonna say no and then one fucks like no the writ the stakes are too high to make a ghost mad i believe in ghosts i don't know that i believe in demons i'll say that right right right betsy you're you have a whole podcast that's devoted to listening to people talk about their experiences with the paranormal. So I feel like you must have been convinced by now that they exist. Emily was on it. She's got a story. And Emily was like, I don't know.

I do. I don't know if I have a ghost story. And then told us a fucking scary ghost story. It was scary. It was definitely scary. Ghost, dude. That's more than some people who are like, I have a ghost story. It was scary. It was definitely scary. That's more than some people who are like, I have a ghost story.

Now you guys know if something happens to me, it's because I said out loud that I do not believe in ghosts and I basically egged one on to come. You gotta keep us updated. I'll let you guys know. Keep us updated if you get fucking haunted.

Yeah, if you get haunted, tell us. Tell us. You gotta tell us if you guys know. Keep us updated if you get fucking haunted. Yeah, if you get haunted, tell us. Tell us. You gotta tell us if you get haunted. I'm haunted, guys. Hate to tell you. Haunted. Yeah, don't forget to tell us if that happens. Don't forget.

Don't let it slip your mind. We would love to know. Okay, you guys want to watch this trailer? Oh, yeah. No, but okay. This is my home. Get out now. No, this is not your house.

Now, what's your name? My name is Bill Wilkins, and I'm 72 years old. What do you make of that voice? Sounds confused. Do you see now? The voice on this tape is coming from an 11-year-old girl. They're calling it England's Amityville. There is a family that desperately needs our help.

After everything we've seen, there isn't much that rattles either of us anymore. But this one? This one still haunts me. Does it feel like the voice is coming from inside you? More like it's coming from behind me. Like I'm being used. Janet, are you alright?

Stop calling me Janet. She's such a good girl. What's wrong with her? An oppressing spirit will try to force you to commit the ultimate sin. And what's that? Murder. Suicide. Or both.

Something inhuman wants to kill you if we keep doing this you're going to die dang that looks good emily looked so scared I screamed at one point. I screamed a couple of times. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

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Right. Aha. Aha. Which also does make sense because there's like eight, fuck, eight movies about Amityville. Right. Including like Amityville 3D, which actually was pretty fun.

That sounds fun. So I was like, okay. I was kind of bummed. So we opened in Amityville and they they're doing, like, a seance in the house. And Vera, our queen, goes into her trance or whatever to see kind of what happened. And then becomes the dad who, like, is shooting the family, which is what happened in Amityville. And so she's like walking around. You see Vera.

But whenever she like walks across the mirror, it's the dad. And this part, like it's kind of she has like an air gun. Right. She's like fire. It kind of is a little goofy. little silly i'm not gonna lie there are a few little yeah like how we've all we've all felt every time we've been in like an acting class and been like i'm holding a gun like that like you're like this is stupid it kind of felt like that vera sells it don't get me wrong vera look she's taking an acting class or two. So good. But it is. Yeah, there are a couple of just kind of goofier moments in this movie.

Yes, I think so. Yeah. So she's like going around fucking killing the family and seeing what was happening. Well, she's like walking back downstairs and she passes herself and the rest of them at the table and kind of sees um ed her husband patrick wilson kind of trying to wake her from the trance be like okay like it's time to stop and she's like no i gotta keep going and she sees a horrible little boy this nasty little boy whose eyes are like just white lights pretty much. Like just white.

Which I was looking at this. I was looking just some stuff up about this movie and everything. There's a really wild picture that was taken while investigating Amityville. Where it's the head of a boy with white eyes. Oh, no. Which is why they use that spooky image. Oh, it's so spooky. It's because it's legitimately from,

or who knows, it might be a- Doctored. I think it's real. But it's like legit, there's a head of a little nasty kid with eyes that are lights. It's pretty spooky. Yeah, it really scared me. So she follows this kid

down into the basement. Oh, always basements, you know? Always. Basements are god-awful. Mm-hmm. Horrible places. Even if they got a ping-pong table, arcade games, a big screen TV.

I don't fucking need that or an attic. Get out of here. Nope. Or just turn the lights on. Why is it so hard to turn the lights on before you go down

into a basement? They're always broken. The light bulb's always out. Right? Yeah. Or it's always like at the bottom of the stairs. Yeah.

You still have to walk down these awful- Get a light switch. Yeah, yeah. Get a fucking light switch, you dorks fucking light switch you don't switch i mean this was the 70s i don't think they existed um so she goes in the basement and what oh and this we see the our our nun for the first time and that scare in the in the trailer yes the mirror scare with the nun. Yeah. There's a gross mirror. The little boy like points to a mirror. There's a couple of children with white eyes now.

All the dead children, I guess, from the Amityville. And they all point at the mirror and she goes and pulls the sheet off the mirror. And in this basement, there's like a million things that look like humans. Yeah. Either under a sheet or just standing around. Yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch of shit that just looks like people.

Okay, yeah. So then we have the scary nun. Who's this fucking nun now? Huh? I didn't think we were getting nun in this because obviously we know now the nun has her standalone film. Oh, fuck yeah. But I didn't know she was going to be in this one.

And she's scary. Yuck. Yeah. And she has like white face paint on and black eyes. Yeah. She looks like Kenley's Halloween costume. I accidentally dressed up like this nun for Halloween. Not on purpose.

You're haunted. I think you're haunted. What if I have been haunted to this day and that's why i've been so deeply unproductive that's a good excuse why don't you like writing or doing anything i'm so haunted right now i'm just fucking so haunted right now i'm sorry i'm i'm working on i kind of like that actually use it see it. See what happens. Yeah, so we got Nasty Nun. Oh, and then there's a pile of chairs that then explode and show her husband, like, standing there all weird.

And then a huge thing bursts through his chest and he's, like, dying. And then she comes out of her trance fucking, I think, bloody nose screaming. And he's like, you're okay. We're out of here. We did it. Whatever. And that's the cold opening. And then we have the slow like.

Oh, they have the text crawl. You know, the nice slow text crawl with that awful sound of like, coming up. The inception noise. It's such a good noise. It's so scary. It is so scary. Conjuring 2. Spooky. And then do we cut immediately to London

and they're singing London Calling? Yeah. Fun! We saw Big Ben. We know, man. We know where we're at. Yeah, and we meet our main character, Janet, and we meet her sister and her two younger brothers. Or maybe we only meet one of them, but one of them has a stutter.

Yeah, and so he gets bullied. Yeah. So sad. Fuck that and so he gets bullied. Yeah. So sad. Fuck that, man. Fuck it. Fuck bullies. Man, fuck off. Who cares if somebody has a stutter?

And then we go back to their house after school. Their house is wild. It's nasty. It's nasty. It's a tough house. Like, it looks like almost every corner, like, a fucking fire broke out. You know? Like, every corner is just kind of like, like, a fire or like, have you guys seen Annihilation?

Have you talked about it? Yeah, we haven't done it on here, but I've seen it. Yes. I so good it is so good but it looks like kind of like the shimmer is taking over in some parts of their house right it looks like nobody lives there like it looks like an abandoned house but it's it's a family lives there the mom is frazzled she's a single mom she's got four kids she doesn't have time to have the house look nice, but it's really not nice. Yes. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it also feels like a house where the sun would be brightly shining outside, but even in the house, it's just like, God, it's like cold

and damp. Yeah. Like heavy curtains, peeling paint, old, like, beat-up furniture. I feel the carpet's always, like, just a little damp, you know? Like, ooh! Like, they're running around with bare feet. And I'm like, no, you would never in a house like that. That is so gross.

I don't care. Ooh, that's... But, like, yeah, like, huge cracks and i get it it's tough it's tough it's tough it's tough she's got a lot on her plate she's got a lot on her plate and her plate is small so it's tough um but it's a nasty house and then what and then it's kind of like that i feel like it progresses to that night and the two girls share a room. The two boys share a room and they're upstairs. And Janet has fashioned herself a homemade Ouija board.

Right. On the back of a cereal box. Oh, yeah. So she's playing Ouija board her sister's like whoa let me in and they start doing like are there any spirits here uh it doesn't move puts it under her bed and i was hoping for a little this didn't happen but i was hoping for a little move yeah under the bed a little move doesn't happen yeah that would be good give us a little move. Yeah, under the bed, a little move. Doesn't happen. Yeah, that would have been good. Give us a little like, oh, okay.

Oh, shit. Okay. Something. Okay. Something, something. Okay. And then. Then we go to bed and Janet, we get, we close us in on her face and then we hear a, in her

bed and then we hear a thud and we pull out and she is sleeping downstairs on the floor yes in the living room she wakes up in the living room and she wakes up by a really nasty chair you'll learn more about that oh no yeah and she's just like what happened like whoa did i sleepwalk whoa or whatever whatever and so she makes her way back up the stairs upstairs we go in the room with her sister and her sister there's a knock on the door a loud knock knock knock knock she looks sees that her sister is not in bed anymore and like gets up like oh why did you get out of bed opens the door the door. Nobody's there. And then the sister comes upstairs and she doesn't like put it together that that's weird.

The older sister. I guess they're tired. She was asleep, but she was like, I guess there was a loud knock on your door that nobody was there and she did not seem worried. Also, like, why would she be knocking on her own bedroom door? You know, like that? That's also like it's the middle of the night own bedroom door you know like that that's also like it's the middle of the night just come yeah exactly yeah there's a few times throughout this where there's like crazy loud sounds and like the sleep the sister just sleeps through

it where it's like there's no fucking way there's no fucking way that anybody in this house would sleep through what we're hearing yeah because you know this house, the walls are literal newspapers. So you're hearing everything. Have you guys ever slept, walked, slept, walked? Henley has. When I was, oh, yeah, I have recently

too. You're haunted. I'm telling you, you're fucking haunted. You guys, the evidence is mounting us. too. You're haunted. I'm telling you, you're fucking haunted. You guys, the evidence is mounting us. Mounting, Emily. I slept walk. Apparently I got up and I guess

I was trying to go to the bathroom, but I, well, luckily I didn't actually go to the bathroom, but I walked into our closet. Tim told me I walked into our closet and he was like, what is she doing? Yeah. And then I walked out of our closet and went to the walked into our closet and he was like what is she doing yeah and then i walked out of our closet and went to the bathroom in our actual bathroom thank god but i slept walk into our closet recently but then when i was a kid i slept walk all the time like i would sleep walk that's so scary and it was very disorienting and i don't like scary like

that oh i do not want to wake up like standing in somewhere where I didn't fall asleep. Oh no no no no. I've woken up in my closet with my blanket and then in my bathroom with like my blanket sheet and a pillow. Oh my

God. Well at least you're trying to make yourself comfy. I know I wonder why I'm like, come on, everybody. Let's go. Let's go. Come on. Changing locations, everybody. Yeah, come on. We're all going. Come on.

Guys, I hope that there isn't another thing that happens during this podcast that proves that I'm 100% haunted. We're just going to have to wait and see, Henley. We're just going to have to wait. If one more thing happens, it means you're 100% haunted. So buckle up.

The rules of three. Okay. So then we see Ed and Lorraine on TV kind of doing a interview. And they're not happy to be in the spotlight so much. They're kind of wanting to dial their public appearances back. They're kind of sick of this. A lot of people are like, they're a hoax. You know, this is all a scam.

Right. Or whatever. Right, right, right. And Vera's very like, I saw something at Amityville. She's pretty much like, I'm pretty sure I saw how you're gonna die. Yeah. Maybe we should cool it. She's freaked. We should cool it a little bit. And he's like hey babe

we're in this together man. They do try to they really kind of shovel it down our throats that they love each other which like I know they do. There's one scene that drives me nuts later on. I'll scream about it when we get there Yeah

And then we go back to the house And it's the middle of the same night And Janet is having a nightmare Kind of tossing and turning Her sister's in the bed next to her Wakes up, sees that she's having a nightmare Is like, wake up, you're having a bad dream And then we hear A voice that is not that she's having a nightmare. He's like, wake up, you're having a bad dream.

And then we hear a voice that is not theirs, a man's voice saying, well, at first it's actually Janet kind of talking back and forth, arguing. Yeah, being like, no. Being like, don't, don't do that. One of the things she says is, this is my house. This is my house.

And she's like, no, it's not. It's my house now. We live here. You don't live is my house and she's like no it's not it's it's my house now we live here you don't live here anymore so she's like sleep arguing and doing voices to herself her sister is freaked out and like lays her back down and turns and then turns back and sister's like right over her bed and is like this is my house and then this is my house. Yeah, this is my house. And then she hears a voice from behind her whisper the same thing, right? Yes. Like a spooky man's voice. Is it good? Oh, it's really scary.

And meanwhile, the younger brothers have, one of them has a little fire truck toy and he has an yeah spooky tent a spooky tent set up in the hallway like just a spooky awful little tent um set up in the hallway and yeah we've established that he has this one like uh you know those toys that spin and then you see like animation or whatever? It's called a zoetrope. Ooh, a zoetrope. So they have a zoetrope and it's the story of the crooked man and there's this nasty song that they say

and like, yeah, it's a crooked, I don't know how it goes, but it's nasty and it shows like this really creepy character walking and then we establish that they have a fire truck. And that they're playing with this fire truck. And so this is still at nighttime, right? The kid goes downstairs to get a drink of water.

Sees a swing moving outside. Just one. And there's two on the thing. But only one is moving. Okay. And then gets a drink. Drinks some water. feels better, walks upstairs. And I think he like kicks the fire truck into the tent.

Like it's out in the hallway and he's like, oh, I don't want to step on it. And so he just kind of tosses it, rolls it into the tent. Rolls it in the tent, turns around and go back to bed and then like is getting into bed and it comes back full on noise right and it's a loud once again it's a loud fucking truck

nobody's waking up no not even the mother not even the mom she has a lot on her plate she's got too much on her plate she's pooped she's on her plate. She's got too much on her plate. She's pooped, man. It's a small plate. She's on her tiny plate. She's got a lot.

She's pooped. Teeny, teeny little plate. Yeah. And so it comes rolling back and he's just like, what? And he goes to investigate. Goes to investigate. Which is too brave. No.

Too brave. Too brave, little kid. Fucking close your door, get under your covers, and wait until date. And brings his truck to the tent and, like, pushes it back in. And then it comes back out. No.

No. You hate it. You hate it. I hate it. Nasty. Nasty. Is he about to go in the tent? No. Oh, thank God.

Yeah, he's scared. He runs to his mom's room and yells, there's somebody in the tent. There's somebody in my tent. Wakes her up. Yeah. She comes and looks. Nobody's in the tent,

but she hears something coming from downstairs. And walks down the stairs. And we see that creepy chair rocking back and forth. And somebody is in it. And she goes down and turns the corner. And it's Janet. Janet sitting in this nasty, disgusting chair, like sleeping and rocking. No.

Awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, disgusting. Wakes her up and is just like, I must have been sleepwalking or whatever. They go back to bed, right? I'm normal. I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. Next day, I think she's like not feeling well, right? So'm normal. I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. Next day, I think she's like not feeling well, right? So she doesn't go to school. Oh yeah, she wakes up with, or like

the mom's like, whoa, you have a crazy fever. So she gets to stay home from school. Yeah. Which is the remember those days? How awesome that was? Unless you were crazy sick, but like, for the most part, for the most part, you're like, I feel fine. I'm fine yeah

yeah you just watch price is right all day and like jerry springer oh yes oh my god dream a dream your parents aren't there but you're like i'm kind of queen of the castle okay she's trying to do just that she kicks up in front of the TV One of those old school remotes With like two buttons Right This is in what 76? I think so I think it's 76 or 77

And yeah so it's like an old school TV With this big old remote And she's flipping through the channels And sets the remote down next to her on the couch Or on the table or something And then the TV starts changing channels on its own yeah and she looks remote is gone and she's like where's them and right i gotta tell you guys we got to describe her she looks bad like she looks sick real dark circles under the eyes yeah very charles dickens like what we

all think i what i imagine all of her twists look like you know of just like sunken eyes just kind of like like she looks bad so the remote's missing and she's just kind of like what what is it what is it what is it yeah then the phone rings i think a very loud ring too i love a scary movie phone ring it's the fucking loudest ring you've ever heard in your life jump scare gets you good oh every time um and it's her mom and so we hear like oh yeah i'm feeling i'm feeling all right i'm feeling all right. I'm feeling all right. And she notices something. She sees the remote on the rocking chair that she was not sitting on. Yeah. No. Yeah.

And so she picks it up and she goes back to the spot that she was, the main couch. And the TV just like turns off. Yeah. And so she goes to like do the classic. Remember having to like hit your TV in VCR? Oh, yeah. This will help it. Like just smash the shit out of it.

So she starts like smashing it, trying to help. And there's a really incredible shot of like her reflection in the TV. And you see an old man sitting in that chair. No. Ew. I don't like that. That fucked up. It's so nasty.

It's a really great, great scare. And she freaks out. And then I think the TV comes back on. It comes back on. She turns back. There's nobody there. Nobody there. And she's just really,

she's just obviously very freaked out yes and then we cut to back to ed and lorraine and ed is just sitting at an easel painting a picture and he is yeah she uh lorraine like turns like oh like what are you painting he's like oh just something that i i couldn't get out of my head and she turns like i had what are you painting he's like oh just something that I couldn't get out of my head and she turns like I had a dream last night I had a dream and she like walks to look at it and it's the disgusting

nun like he's just painting it like it's like no big deal he's not like freaked out he's just like oh yeah calling it a dream it's like no you had a fucking nightmare. That is not a dream. That's a fucking scary, scary nightmare.

And Lorraine is freaked out. And she's like, OK, we are not taking on any new cases right now because I've been I saw, you know, I had a I feel like a premonition. You're seeing this nun. I've got a bad feeling and no new cases for us yep and he's like well hey baby oh okay but where did this yeah you know all that yeah and if we can get through anything together you and me we love each other so much we learned that in the first movie come on and then um then we go back to um what is is their last name hodgson

the hodgson house i think so something yeah and jenna is now deciding to tie herself to the bed when she goes to sleep because she doesn't want to sleepwalk anymore. And so she... Oh, God. That's worse. That is so much worse. That's so sad and also not a good idea. Like, imagine your kid doing that. Yeah. And I get it. Her plate is so teeny.

And it is so fair. I mean, we might as well call it a saucer. It's a saucer. It's a saucer. She's got a lot on her saucer. It's a saucer. It's a saucer. She's got a lot on her saucer. It's got so much food on it, but still like, hey, mom, mom, mom. Yeah, let's keep a little closer tab on our children that are tying themselves to the bed. Yeah, just a little bit.

And especially, she's been sick. She's sick, too. She looks sick. Like, she does not look healthy. Mom, I get it. You're busy. We're not here to judge. We're not here to judge, but mom.

But mom, please. Please watch. But mom. Please watch it, kids. Yeah, so she ties herself to her bed. And I feel even Hay his sister be like hey there's gotta be a better way right this isn't the

right solution and then oh and then so she falls asleep and she's only tied it to one wrist and we get the same like camera pushing again when it zooms in on her face she falls asleep and then we hear the same

thud and pull out to see that she has basically fallen as far as the rope could could let her go and sister's still asleep right sister's still asleep every this heavy sleepers in this family heavy heavy sleepers um so she um goes downstairs guess, to get a glass of water or something. Sees the old chair rocking. Yep. Yep. And I think she's just freaked out. Runs back upstairs.

Dives in bed. Pulls the covers over her head. And we hear footsteps coming down the hallway. And there's like a POV. Yeah, and they're getting closer and closer. And then the sheets rip off of her, and she starts screaming and kind of like grabs her shoulder in pain.

And her sister wakes up now, finally. And it's like, what's happening? What's happening? You can't see anybody there. And she's like, somebody is in the house. Somebody is here. Freaking out. Freaking out.

Then they go and they run to wake up the mom. And mom comes into the bedroom and she's like, nobody's here. What are you talking about? And just then the door slams closed and this big heavy dresser like flies at the door, like in front of all of them. And so the mom is like, oh, oh shit. Okay.

And then like the next shot is them all like all running to the neighbor's house they're like running across the street just to the neighbor's house and the neighbors are just like yeah okay come in welcome um yeah great you can hang out here is it still the middle of the night yeah yeah and so then the cops come and the mom is there with the neighbor dude and the cops are like looking and they're like, we are not finding anything. And they get to the kitchen and they start hearing somebody walking back and forth above them. And so like one of the cops is like, let me let's learn. Or will you get me a chair so I can get closer?

And the other cop gets them a chair. Or what are they called? A Bobby. The other Bobby. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Aren't those cops in London? I think that's right. Yeah.

A Bobby. I didn't know that. All Bobbies are bastards. Yeah, I was going to say like a Bob. A Bob. So Lady Bobby is about to get on the chair. And the chair and the chair fucking slides

back and back to under the table and this is in front of the cops also and the police are just like and I think in daytime now right is it like the next day I think so yeah so it's like now they don't give a fuck yeah once they start

coming out in the day, oh no, no. Nasty, nasty, nasty. This is nice though, because I feel like I'm so used to in these ghost and horror movies where it's like only one person can see it and everyone thinks they're crazy. And it's nice for it to be validated, like everyone has seen this happen.

Yeah, I had that same thought. And this happened in real life, I believe, that cops. And this happened in real life. I believe that like cops came and saw weird shit happen. Like a lot of people witnessed unexplainable things happening in this house. And has shit like this ever happened in a house that looks not scary? Is that just like an easy way to make sure this shit doesn't happen to you? Is that you don't move into the

nastiest house? I think it would certainly better your chances. Right? Good to know, man, because I'm not trying to be near any of this, but I also don't want to be in that wallpaper fucking newspaper house. A big thing is probably how old the house is because it's usually people that have died in

the house and that kind of thing, like how much history your house has and like it's a new property that kind of thing. Like how much history your house has. And like, yeah, it's a new property that was just built. You're good. You're golden. But I mean, what about the land? You know? Oh, that's.

Yeah, that's true. There could have been other murder houses built on it. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Just do your research before you move into a house. Do your research. You've got to do your research before you move into a house do your research you gotta do your research i think i do think uh this comes up on our on our podcast a lot a funny feeling i'll plug it uh

where it is like i i think so like people realizing like oh someone died in this house i bought or i'm living in where it's like i think i don't't care. There shouldn't be a time limit. I think you should know every you should be told everyone who has died in your house. Yeah. Renting or buying of just like, oh, and here you go. This old lady died here. Here's the list of people that have died here. Yeah.

So just so you know. This is way off topic, but real quick, the apartment I live in, I actually my old boss in a very weird turn of events. When I moved in, I told him where I was living. And he was like, holy shit, I used to live in the apartment right next to that apartment in the 80s. He was like, and the person who lived in your apartment was a sex worker who kept a shotgun under her bed because she sold drugs and she needed to protect herself. And so that's who used to live in my apartment. And I feel pretty protected by that energy, to be honest. I was going to say, I think that's cool. That rules. That's rad. I feel pretty good about it okay okay

i'm liking your chances now henley i think yeah that i was i thought that was gonna take a turn towards you being definitely haunted i was ready to scream that you are haunted but uh okay yeah maybe okay i'm feeling good about it maybe now we're teetering back to the other other way that's good maybe not um um yeah so then the cops are just like okay this is like can't we can't help you yeah and and then one one of the the the bobbies is like i have a uh uh uh whoa i know how to say this family friend i don't know why it took me so long to spit that out who is a priest and he'll he by and help, you know, can maybe do something. Yeah, like this seems like not our area of expertise.

Maybe he can help. Yeah. And then we go back to Ed and Lorraine's house and. This is one of my favorite scares of all time. Oh, you say it then. Oh my God. Okay. So Lorraine and her daughter judy

they're chilling out lorraine is just you know casually reading her bible like she does judy's i don't know what judy's doing what's the 70s thing to do dancing i don't know what judy i can't remember she's sitting and chilling and they're like in their little study and then does lorraine go into a trance is that where this is i think that what happens is judy is like who is that judy like gets her attention and sees something judy's doing something i don't know what probably sitting dancing probably right judy's standing there and like, who's that? Vera looks, it's the fucking nun.

And Vera's like, go keep dancing. Like you're probably doing get back to your dance party. Cause it's the seventies and disco rules. And so Vera follows the nun and we wind up in, uh, Ed's little art studio. And he's just got that nun painting hanging on the wall as if it's nice to look at. Yeah.

And so she walks in and she's like looking at the painting and then a record, like, you know, those spool recorders or whatever starts spinning and singing like holy Christmas music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a children's choir. Children's choir singing like holy Christmas music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a children's choir. Children's choir singing like Handel's Messiah.

I don't know what it is. I don't think it's that. I can't remember. But it's spooky and loud and nasty. And she goes to like turn on a light or maybe she already did that. Gets distracted. The light turns off

and she sees the painting and the painting looks a little bit different. Andets distracted. The light turns off. And she sees the painting. And the painting looks a little bit different. And like the room is pretty dark now. The painting looks a little bit different. And then. This is the coolest. So she's like playing with the light. And then she sees this shadow form.

On the wall. And the shadow. Is clearly the shadow of the nun like it looks like like the nun is it look like the shadow of the nun is walking slowly and like even turns the corner of the room and it lines up with the painting like behind the painting of the nun. So it's like all even where it's like, oh, yep. Okay. Fingers start coming out from behind the frame. Nasty nun fingers. Nasty long gray nun fingers. And then it just charges at her.

And then it just fucking charges at Vera screaming at her and Vera's just like oh fuck and like Nunn's mouth opens up all nasty and weird like that one thing in Star Wars yeah yeah she's got those really nasty teeth yeah like just like like awful looking

and it's one of the coolest scares I got to go to the Warner Brothers they did a kind of their own horror night with all the Warner Brothers things they own, which is the Conjuring universe. And they had a Conjuring house and they did this exact scare. And it was so cool.

Like where you see a shadow line up with the nun painting and then it fucking runs out it was so cool it's one of my favorite scares of all time that one i do remember from being drunk on my birthday watching it i do remember the nun scare that was good um also i think this was about the time that i that i saw the cockroach in my house. It was bad timing. That's awful. That is so scary. Oof.

Yeah, that's really scary. The idea of it coming out from the painting is awful. That's awful. So fucking scary. Even just seeing a shadow confidently walking when you're the only one in the room and you're like, that is not my shadow confidently walking. That so awful and it oh it's so good it's such a good scare um and then vera snaps out of it kind of right and isn't she like in yes she's back i think so in the study fucking destroying her bible with her pen. Right. Like writing, like doing like meaningful writing in her Bible and just like kind of destroying it.

And Judy's like, Mom, Mom, chill out, chill out. And then she's just like, oh, God. Mom, come dance with me. It'll calm you down. Mom, we gotta dance to Abba. Come on. Oh, we gotta dance to ABBA. Come on. It's the coolest scare. You should YouTube just that scare.

It's so well done. During the daytime. During the daytime. Maybe during the daytime. Yeah. Maybe. Okay. And then we go back to the Hodgson family.

And there are now reporters at the house and they're kind of doing a TV home interview type thing. So they're sitting on the couch and there's reporters asking them questions, asking Janet specifically questions. And I can't what's What's the guy's name? Oh, Gross. Like one of the doctors or like people working with him. His name is Gross. It made me laugh. And I know

there are people like, yeah, that's a classic last name, but oh man, he named gross bummer hi i'm mr gross yeah and it's like yeah you are man but he believes in yeah he believes what's going on and pretty quick i think he says like we need to can we talk to this spirit that you've been hearing and she goes right into a very spooky demon voice oh he calls her janet he says can janet can you tell us what he says to you and she says stop calling me Janet. But in like

a deep man's voice. In a deep man's voice. Wow. Yeah. Like kind of he sounds kind of like um Jeffrey Rush. Is that his name? In Pirates of the Caribbean. This guy?

Yeah. Yeah. He sounds kind of like that and he's just like i'm and they're like who are you and then he starts to tell them right like i'm bill wilkins i died in this house uh like maybe even does he say like in that chair or whatever like he pretty much through janet tells them everything right and all the lights are flickering in the house. Yeah. And everybody's just like, whoa.

And there's one lady who's like, I don't believe this, but like Janet's mom is like, oh my God, I see. I told you, you know, it's,

it's, it's a cool scene. It's a spooky scene. Yeah. What is, do we find out at all what he wants? Yeah, we do.

Yeah, don't worry. We do. We find that. We find that we find that i just i like how the i like how this ghost is not camera shy i like how this ghost is like i am here anything loving it loving oh finally somebody asked yeah Yeah. Thank you. I've been waiting for my big break. And then are they are Ed and Lorraine presented?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the priest, I guess, was there for that or something and then goes back to Ed and Lorraine. Like, I have a case you might be interested in. Yes, we need to get proof in order to do an exorcism. I think that's kind of the deal of like we it might be a hoax we don't know classic exorcism rules

we need proof to see if it's really actually true and so they're kind of like I don't know and then they're like but it's a trip to England let's go to England I've's like let's go to england i've never been we could go see a play i would love to be there with you my love we love each

other we love each other let's ditch our kid judy again and and go go frolic around england and so they're like okay we'll go so they're in england jolly old england it's christmas time so this is a christmas horror movie that's fun they left judy at christmas oh yeah they bailed yeah she's like guys she's dancing on her own now she's dancing on her own now she grew up to be robin yeah judy's robin dude i knew it um yeah so they're trying to get proof now they come with their team right they're doing the the like setting setting things up oh one one spooky thing that happens i think before they get there is uh the little the younger brother um hears the dog bell they have a dog which we didn't see at all until they're staying at the neighbors

this is the neighbor's house they're staying at the neighbors and the neighbor's dog who's this cool rottweiler has this little bell that it rings to go outside which is so cute um that's cute so not in this context i think i think even before even like so right before this scene we see that nasty tent but the house is the nasty tent from their house you know that the kids play in and we see that what is it called zoetetrope. Zoetrope. Fun word. It's a good word. I gotta say it more. You gotta find a way to talk about zoetropes more often.

Oh, I'll cram it into any conversation. So the zoetrope starts moving and we're seeing the crooked men walk and then disappear off of it. It disappears off of it. And so they're all sleeping in the neighbor's living room and the kid hears the like dog bell going and gets up and is just like oh bruno or whatever the dog's name is looks at one of the bells the dog is not there looks down the hall sees the dog at the at the back door and is like okay okay i'll help i'll help and as as the kid approaches the dog

which this kind of this whatever let me explain uh the dog transforms into the crooked man this cartoon yes i will say though as scary as it sounds it's a pretty goofy looking. It was. I think it was the least scary thing. I would say the Crooked Man in general. Take it out of the movie. Get it out of here. Didn't need it. It looks very Tim Burton, Alice in Wonderland. Yes, it looks like he looks like Jack Skellington.

Yes, that's exactly it. Like and just not really. And it just looks like. That's where that extra 20 mil went. Yeah. Like it felt like just kind of like a video game. Yeah. Very out.

Like it didn't add anything and truly unnecessary. I didn't love Crooked Man. No. And they were really banking on like, and this will be another character we can follow because i think they even had the idea of a crooked man movie but it's like oh that that sucked yeah i that sucked yeah hopefully they they trashed that idea i hope yeah that bum and i remember in the theater we all lost our minds. Like, no! This is awful. It's so bad. Yeah, it like chases them down the hall.

I can't really remember how it ends. But they eventually. In a very goofy way. Yeah, but they eventually go back to their house, right? They like, because Ed and Lorraine come, I think, they move back into their house. The mom and Janet do. And the kids are staying at the neighbor's. Like, when Ed and Lorraine get there, they're like, oh, yeah, it's just the mom and Janet staying here.

And maybe even Mr. Gross. Yeah, yeah. He might be kind of staying there with them. And Janet now ties herself to her mom's bed and they like chain closed her bedroom door. Oh yeah, because just like in Poltergeist, her room, her and her sister's room has become kind of this like,

it's like maybe vortex or something. Like all it's trashed. It's like maybe vortex or something like all it's trashed. It's completely destroyed. Whatever this entity is just destroyed the entire room. And like, I think they were saying, like, you hear knocking from there all that, like, nonstop. So they like chained it up. Let's keep it out of there. And Ed and Lorraine are like, we'll stay that we'll stay over.

But also, do we believe stay that we'll stay over but also do we believe what do we do right um and they've like hung a bunch of crosses in that room yeah whereas like now you're making it even creepier yeah janet falls asleep now tied to her mom's bed falls out of the bed in the same sleepwalking way and then like falls through the floor and it like comes out on the ceiling she like wakes up on the ceiling of the like living room tied still tied to the ceiling and it's just like what the fuck of course freaking out yeah like looking down on the rocking chair terrified and somehow ends up in the chained closed bedroom right yeah like she yeah she gets sucked up or something into that into that bedroom she's screaming now because she's in there with the entity. She's screaming.

All of the fucking crosses start turning upside down. It's really a cool shot. It is a cool scene. And it's that part in the trailer where then there's one very dark corner. Yes. And that old dude comes out after. And so she's screaming. Mom wakes up and notices she's not in the bed she's like

untied um starts freaking out goes to the doors trying to like open it even though it's like lady bring your key um uh lady bring your key keep it around your neck um you did it and she's like trying and she like there's the door is open a little bit like we saw and you see janet she's like he's in here somebody's in here with me. Help me, help me, help me. And then nasty old hands grab her. And the mom's like, Jesus! Losing her mind.

Ed and Lorraine wake up and come. And he's like, go get a key. Get the key. And then they break in. And she's like being strangled by the curtains. Yes. And they eventually get in like just in time and pull the curtain off of her

and she's okay and nobody's in there anymore, right? He's gone. Right. Yeah, he's gone. And so that once again gets them to be kind of like, is what she doing? And like, is this a hoax kind right they still haven't seen

any proof like weird shit is happening but they're still suspicious like the family could still be doing it everything is happening without them actually seeing it happen like the mom is like i saw i saw the like a man's hands like grabbing her face when she was in the little open door. And they're like, well, it's only their word so far. Like, right. We haven't seen it. They have like another quick meme. Like, it's a hoax.

It's not. We need to get proof. Yeah, let's get proof. We have to get proof in order to do an exorcism. And then they set it up. They sit her in the chair, Janet, and we have the woman who doesn't believe. She's there, and then Mr. Gross.

And Ed and Lorraine. And then Ed and Lorraine and the mom. And they set up a whole recording thing and have a pitcher of water and a glass of water. And they're like, people are thinking it might be ventriloquism so if she drinks this water and we see the voice happening and she's not moving her lips like or we can say it's not ventriloquism right she's not faking it then and so she like takes a big

gulp and and and ed starts asking like hey who's are you here? What's up? Did it. Nothing happens. She spits the water out and she's like, oh, he wants he he doesn't want you to look at me. And he'll talk if you all turn away. OK. Oh, OK. And so this is a really cool scene. Ed is in the four. And so everybody's like, oh, OK, like

kind of OK. This is kind of not ideal. He doesn't want he doesn't want us to look. OK. The girl fills up her

mouth. He's like, OK, let's all turn around. Everybody turn around and everybody just kind of turns around. And this is a really cool shot where it's

like Ed is in the foreground and he's in focus. And then in the back out of focus you see the girl in the chair and um she's sitting there and the whole he starts asking questions and she starts answering first as janet but then as bill starts answering And throughout the scene, answering more and becoming more Bill, you see the like on a focus part, like get bigger and become an old man in the chair behind Patrick, uh, uh, Ed.

And it's awesome. And it's probably like what, like a four or five minute scene. Yeah. Just like a one take. Just a one take. You see the old dude, like she turns into the old dude behind him. It's so creepy and so awesome. And they go through this whole line of questioning, asking him stuff.

And then once they're done, we see it shift back into the little girl. And then they turn around and she like spits out the water that was still in her mouth. Yeah. So we saw it as an audience. Again, they did not. They did not. At least from the trailer, the voice, if this girl can do ventriloquism that successfully, I mean. Give her a job.

She's a prodigy. Yeah. It's a really great scary scene. You should YouTube it. Yeah. Just that scene. Just that scene. And the next one.

Just the scary parts. Just the scary parts. Just the parts you guys do not like. Watch them. Just watch those parts. It's a really rad scene. So, yeah, once again, they're just kind of like, oh, well, shoot. I mean, we recorded that.

Couldn't trick him. Dang. Oh, and like the old dude while he's talking is kind of like sputtering, kind of almost nonsense. So they're recording it and he's kind of saying just like words that don't really string together into it into a sentence yeah where it's just kind of like oh okay what's going on like yeah it kind of makes a little nonsense yeah um and then they're just kind of you know around the house uh ed is helping out helping you know she's got such a tiny tiny plate so he's he's trying to help her out a bit

and she like mentions how her her washer and dryer are broken she's like i wouldn't dream of asking you to to fix that he's like let me go take a look let me go take a look and she's like our basement's like our laundry room's a little bit of a mess go downstairs and it is like three foot flooded it's completely flooded it's like it's such a fucking shit show it's like wait like you knew this was happening i was shocked i was really shocked that this happened because i was like this is this is a house this is an emergency how did you let it get to this point and And he's like, let me take a look. And he just goes wading in the water and trying to

tighten up some stuff. And it's one thing where it's like, I feel I could have fixed that lady. Like, hey, I get it. Your plate's teeny. Wait, here you go. Teeny and so full. If your literal basement is flooding,

can you imagine just letting that go if your plate is small here are some things that should be on it your daughter's ill ill health and the flood in your basement those two things belong on your plate you're gonna want to make space on your plate you're gonna want to make some space you're gonna want to push the veggies to the side make space on that plate. Exactly. Exactly. So he's like, yeah, I'll go do it. And is in the fucking cold. And it's cold.

This is England at Christmas time. It's fucking cold. So he's down there and like cranking it, you know, like trying to fix the flood. And we see behind him the old dude rise up out of the water. Hell no. He doesn't know. He doesn't know what's happening because he's just trying to fix this pipe, man. And the mom who's on the stairs notices something.

And so she's like kind of looking with a flashlight trying to see and like seeing movement and stuff. And then finally he's like, he's behind you. And it's like a tense and Ed turns around. Nobody's there. Like, OK, OK. And then and she's made her way into the water to warn him. And then she looks down. Right. An old dude is in the water.

Grabs her and pulls her down down or like pulls her arm down. And she's screaming. Ed's like, what? What? And comes to help her. And then she has a crazy bite mark on her arm. And they talked about this like at a pub or something where they're like, is it real? Is it not?

And like they were looking at pictures of Janet's bite. Janet got a bite earlier. That first time that the sheets got pulled off of her. She had a bite mark. She had a bite mark. And they were saying like, oh, her bite mark does match up that dude who died there. He has like missing teeth. Yeah, he had like missing teeth.

Ew, ew! And yeah, that was fun. Wait, did he already sing? Or is that later? I think I skipped it because I don't know if I wrote it down. I think that's fine because it fucking sucks. There's a few things in here that are really, really silly. There's a part where they have an Elvis sing-along.

It's 70s, baby. What? That's coming out of left field. It's, I hated that part. Because it also shows, it's like, what's the song? Like, take my hand. Like that song, right? And the whole time he's singing it and Lorraine is just like, oh, that's my man.

And it's a waste of fucking time yeah it is really silly I just wanted to scream about it I hated it so much I think once again in the theater we were all like no it's really stupid it sucks it sucks okay great is that the scene you hated is that the

one you hated the most you should watch it it's awful so you should just watch that scene and then the one you hate it the most you should watch it okay so you should just watch that scene um and then later that night there he's giving a pep talk to the kids he says something to the younger brother like we can't be scared we can't let it bully us right that like we know we have to stand up to bullies right and like when this i guess he probably doesn't say demon because that'd be a scary thing to say to a little boy. But when this demon spirit is after your little sister, you can't let him bully her.

You have to stand up for her and be not afraid. Some stuff is starting in the kitchen, right? Yes, I think so. I think they hear a noise coming from the kitchen. Right. hear a noise coming from the kitchen right and then janet is in a boy the one of the little boys is like i'm gonna go because we're supposed to not let them bully us whatever whatever and it's making his way and then all of a sudden the older sister is like oh my god janet is gone she was right here and the boy like turns to look back to see Janet missing and then turns back into the kitchen. And Janet's like on the fucking counter just like and it's scary and fun.

And there are a bunch of knives in the counter and stuff. And then like furniture's flying. Things are smashing. And then the door slams closed. They run out. It just sounds like chaos. And finally, all the adults are like, oh, what? Oh, shit.

Something's happening. Like, no shit. And they all run in. They cannot get the door open at all. Until does Ed strongly kick it in? Yeah, I think so. And then they just see Janet kind of. Is she passed out in there or what is she doing?

She is. So the kitchen is destroyed. She is not any. She's not there anymore. And this dude has like a long microphone and headphones. And he's like trying to like listen for her. And they find her in this really weird like water closet, like a water heater closet, something, a closet with like a lot of pipes and stuff. And she's like kind of contorted in there where it's like,

how did she get in there at all? And so everybody's like, oh my God, something is up. And she's like very like, don't touch me, whatever. And it's nasty. And Ed and Lorraine are like, okay, this is real. This is real. is real but then the woman who doesn't believe because they've been setting up cameras sorry during the stupid elvis song they show other people like setting up cameras and stuff around the house and the woman

comes and she's like i have to show you something and it's video footage of janet by herself just destroying the kitchen and the lady's like it's a fucking hoax right she's doing this she's faking it and so everybody's like oh well we're out of here and lorraine are like well we're done okay we don't need to be here it's a hoax whatever whatever the mom's like well right And then we're on the train. Yeah, they get on the train. The little brother asks, the sister asks Janet, like, why did you do that? Like, why did you trash the kitchen

if it wasn't Bill making you do that? And she said, he told me he would kill all of you if I didn't get them to leave yes and it's a fun spooky moment oh no yeah so wait so ed and lorraine get on a train right to leave they get on a train okay okay okay so they're on a train uh it's not moving yet. They got on really early. They wanted to pick good seeds. And Ed has a moment, like these two wheels. He's putting his little bag up in the storage bin, and the two tapes that he's recorded things on to fall out and unravel in like a cross shape. he kind of oh right and he has like a moment of

a light bulb yeah where they're like the tapes are on top of each other and he's like oh shit let me put this together and he's like let's get these out let's get these out and um uh starts playing the two tapes at the same time. And the mumbling. Yeah, like the nonsensical words. The like nonsense. Start to form into true, like real sentences being pretty much like, I am like locked in here. It says, help me.

It won't let me go. And so. Yes, and so they're like wait what was this what was the second tape from one was from when she was like in that like in the cupboard kind of shoved in there oh oh in the cupboard I see I see and then one was from the chair when she had the water

in her mouth right okay got it and that's her voice saying help me it won't let me go it's bills it's bills it's like whenever she's possessed like through her mouth. Right. Okay. Got it. And that's her voice saying, help me, it won't let me go? It's Bill's. It's Bill's. It's like whenever she's possessed. Like through her mouth. Yeah. And so, help me, she, it won't what is it? Help me, it won't let me go.

It won't let me go. And so they're listening and they're like, that's a demon has Bill. And Lorraine has like a vision. Yes, where she's talking to Bill before he died or like I guess he's, I mean, she's talking

to him, he's dead and him being like, I can't go to the other, like they won't I'm not allowed to go to the other side. Like he's being used as a vessel for another. So a demon is using a ghost essentially to possess Janet. Yes.

Take out the middleman. Why doesn't the demon just possess Janet? You know, I don't know. It's just an extra layer of protection for this demon. True. True. True. True.

They all thought it was Bill. Bill's not bad. He's thought it was Bill. Bill's not bad. He's just an old Brit. He's just an old dude and now he's like a part of this mess. Come on. So yeah, Lorraine is like, we have to go back. It's a demon.

And the way to beat a demon is to know their name. And Ed, we've seen this. Ed knows how to kind of exercise demons. We learned that in the first one. And so they're Ed, we've seen this. Ed knows how to kind of exercise demons. We learned that in the first one. And so they're like, we gotta go. They're rushing back. They're like, we gotta get back there.

Janet is now like fully possessed. We see in the house she is floating. Her eyes are yellow. Yeah. Yeah. She's taken over. I think mom is out of the house and just like oh god it's happening like everybody's now just like it's it's the ultimate like janet's gone what do we do what

do we do uh ed goes searching for her or all the doors are very hard to get into but everything's locked yeah ed like goes around the back and finds a door to the basement. He goes in, and then the door locks behind him. So he gets, like, locked in. So they're, like, separated by the door. And she's like, he's like, I gotta go up, and I gotta go save her and, like, help her. And she's like, let me come with you. Wait for me.

And he's like, no, I'm not gonna. And so then somebody, the neighbor, somebody is trying to help Lorraine get in. And it's taken so long. But Ed's like up there. He gets blasted in the face with hot steam from this pipe that was established earlier. It was hot. He like got a little burnt.

He's like, ow. And then we learned like, oh, he gets steamed. So his eyesight's kind of fucked up for this whole scene. And so there's a lot of POV of just like... Like blurry. Can't quite see what's happening. What a nightmare. Yeah, so he's...

There's a part where he's like turning a corner. He can't see. And we see the nun's hand through a doorframe. Like just holding the side of a doorframe. He doesn't notice. He's just kind of blindly trying to figure out where to go. Then we go back to Lorraine outside. She's out front trying to get in and lightning strikes the tree.

So she's like, oh, my God, I need to know the name of this demon to then win or whatever. They say it way better, but pretty much like what's the name of this demon to then um win or whatever they say it way better but pretty much like what's the name of this it like gives you power over it or whatever yes it gives you power and she's like oh my god i wrote it in my bible that one day when i saw the nun so she rushes she's like i did i said my bible they're like. And she's like reading it and it spells out V A L E K or AK. And she's like, it's Valak. And then right then lightning strikes a tree, split the tree in the front line,

spitting it open, leaving it like a crazy spike. Just like the one that went through in the beginning. Okay. And so now Lorraine is like, I know the demon and I see the thing that's going to kill my husband. We

gotta do this. How does she get in? She's like, I don't remember. She gets in. Great. Yeah, so she's like, I get it. And then she rushes in there. The demon like throws her up against the wall.

Oh, because Ed has made his way into the nasty room, the Janet's room where she's there. The window explodes and she like starts to jump out the window. Right. She's going to land on that tree. She's going to kill herself because that's what the demon wants. It wants to either murder or or have people kill themselves. That's its goal. Demons go crazy for that shit.

Oh, demons love that shit. They love it. They love that shit. That's their favorite. Ed grabs her and onto a curtain that starts like falling. And so there's like it's a wild chain and it's very scary. And it's right above this nasty tree. Um, and, and Lorraine comes in and she's like, Valak, I know it's you.

And like gets blasted against the wall. Um, and we see the nun like in a, in a corner looking really scary. And as she's saying her name, she's doing like the kind of traditional like, I condemn thee back to hell type of thing. And then Valak starts kind of morphing into a more traditional looking demon like with horns and yes looks very scary yeah um meanwhile ed is like each little um curtain rod thing is like breaking further and further so him and uh janet are slipping closer to being impaled on that big tree stump. Ooh. And at the last second, Valak gets, I guess, vanquished.

Yeah, I was trying to remember. I was like, it didn't just kind of stop. Yeah, she just kind of defeats it, I think. Yeah, and then... Or at least gets it out at the moment and then reaches, gets to Ed, pulls them both in. And saves them.

And saves them. And everybody's good and happy. Okay. She's good at her job. She's just really good at her job. This is a movie about someone who's good at her job. She's just really good at her job. This is a movie about someone who's good at her job. Right. Exactly. And then it ends

with like Ed going into that nasty room with a bunch of, with all the like trink, like with Annabelle and like all of their kind of haunted treasures. No, what's the word for for it i can't remember the word

but we we remember it from conjuring one yeah it's where annabelle is where they put the little little uh music box from conjuring yeah all the little conduit things yeah yes exactly the conduits and he has the what is it venotrootrope? Zoetrope. Fuck. Oh, that was the one. Okay. He is a crooked man and puts it in there and leaves. And then does that, and you see like Annabelle chilling in the background. I liked the Annabelle.

I can't remember what it says exactly, but it has like an eight and a half by 11 printed piece of paper with like old English font on it that says like, warning, do not open. And it just looks like, yeah, please don't open the door. Very funny to me that it just looked like they printed it out of their printer paper and just taped it on. Well, it's a spooky font. And a spooky font. We're going to make a note. They chose a spooky font when they printed it out.

No, not Comic Sans. Not Comic Sans. Do not do Comic comic sans do not do comic sans do not do comic sans that's too silly um yeah and that's it right i think that's it and i do remember as like the ending was approaching i was thinking about how conjuring one has like a relatively happy ending also and so i started like getting comforted by like knowing that it would be kind of a somewhat happy ending yeah not where everybody dies and or anything like that and then it starts the credits start rolling and they start playing actual um recorded i was so scared i actually turned them off i was from the real life one and they're showing pictures of like the real life house and the real life kids and it's pretty neat it's pretty cool yeah this was really good it's it's it's it was fun it's fun lose crooked man and it's a lot better then it's it lose crooked man in that fucking elvis scene yeah get them out of there we don't need that

shit yeah then we got a perfect movie. And so there's a there are obviously other Conjuring Universe movies, right? Annabelle and there's one about the nun. Yeah, that's a prequel. That's a prequel. Okay. And then the Conjuring 3 was supposed to come out this year,

but it has been pushed, right? Has it? Probably. Maybe it will be. I can't keep track of everything that's been pushed and rearranged. I feel like everything's fucked up and there's no way to know with confidence when it'll be safe to go to the movies again. I know.

There's no way to know anything with confidence anymore. No. But I really do look forward to the day That I can go to the movies again Yeah that'll be great That'll be a great day I miss it Oh my god

Betsy you did an amazing job Thank you I was riveted I wish I knew it as well as I knew the first one But it's a fun I'm gonna buy it as well as I knew the first one, but it's a fun... I'm gonna buy it and own it. It's a fun one. Wow. Well, and also

just a little update for you guys. The Olsen twins are Gemini's. Oh, thank you. And so is Nicole Kidman. So those are some good ones. Oh, okay. That's pretty good. Way to bring it full circle.

Thank God we closed the loop on that. Thank God we closed the loop on that. And no other signs of you being haunted, Henley, so we closed the loop on that too, maybe. For now. For now. I mean, that mm-hmm sounded pretty haunted. That mm-hmm was very suspicious.

That really leads me to believe you're holding something back. I think you're haunted. No, you're not haunted. But let us know if you are. But if you become haunted, do let us know. Please keep us posted. Do let us know. Do let us know. Do follow up.

Do let us know if you're haunted. Yes, please. Do follow up. Yeah, I'll circle back. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Well, Betsy, thank you're haunted. Yes, please. Do follow us. Yeah, I'll circle back. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Well, Betsy, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. This was really fun. It's so fun.

Our number one correspondent, Don't Tell Joel. Oh, no, don't tell Joel. Don't tell Joel. I'm texting him right now in your face, Joel.

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I love it. I love horror movies so much. They are fun. They're the best. They're so fun. They are fun. And should we close it out with a South London accent? Yeah.

You know that I always want to do an accent. Yeah. I said it and then I immediately got nervous to do it. I got stage fright. From all of us here. I like to do it. From all of us here at Too Scary to Watch. It burns down on us, but I still liked it. I can't do it. I can't do it.

This is so unfair. You just sounded like Dracula. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Very British. Goodbye. Hi, guys. Sammy here.

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