Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE FIRST OMEN with Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

Nuns clubbing, priests conspiring, antichrists a calling, we're recapping THE FIRST OMEN with hosts of the iHeartPodcast, X-Ray Vision, Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight! Join us as we discuss this film's perfect vibes!!TrailerMovie stats @ 06:32Guest Intro @ 07:04More movie stats @ 17:29Recap starts @ 21:40Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Henley, and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy, and I love watching scary movies, and so I watch them so that you don't have to. And we have a great one for you today, folks. I am very excited to talk about it, but we have just a little bit of haunted housekeeping first. Reminder that it is Hellchella.

Hellchella. Our summer series of all new releases where every episode is a video episode available on our Patreon. We also have a live show on July 14th on Moment, a virtual live show. With Betsy Sedaro. Betsy Sedaro. We're going to be talking about Maxine. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes.

And it's at 4.30 p.m. Pacific, 7.30 Eastern. You can get tickets at moment.co.tsdw. And you might have noticed that we are missing Emily today. Oh, it's so sad. It's so sad. It's so sad when she's not here. We miss her. We love her. She will be back. But Henley, did anything scary happen to you this week? You know what? I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I feel like I need to come clean about something.

I've been hiding it from the listeners, which is that I'm reaching apex suburban stay-at-home mom peak, peak bitch levels. Now you're peaking. I'm peaking because- What's pushed you to the top? What's pushed me over the edge is that, oh God, it hurts to say this out loud. Oh no. I'm taking tennis lessons at a country club. I have to wear all white. I have

to wear all white. You have to. Oh yeah. They don't let you anywhere near that court if you're not wearing all white. There's a dress code. I am really pretending like I fit in. My instructor is a 24-year-old Spanish woman from Ibiza who is fucking hot as shit and so good at tennis. And I think I'm actually kind of embarrassing her on the court a little bit, but I'm doing it with two of my new friends and I'm really happy to be doing it. My only regret is that we can't blast the Challengers soundtrack. I was going to say, I think tennis is like having a good moment. It's cool. It's popular because of Challengers. So I'm jealous. I wish I was taking tennis lessons. I know. I'm going to get so good at it. You don't even know I'm going to be so good. Yeah, I'm really bad right now, but that's okay.

It's fun. It's like a fun social thing. I'm out there. I'm moving around. But what's scary is that there's been a full-blown heat wave on the East Coast, and it was like 98 degrees outside, and I was outside for an hour and a half. As some of you know, I'm recovering from hand, foot, and mouth disease. Oh, my God. That's scary.

Yeah. Oh, my God. mouth disease oh my god that's scary yeah yeah oh my god this is your second time having it right like like the cows like like the cows get i've learned that kids get it a lot right yes okay my children got it so bad and i gave it to me and i've just had like a horrible i had a fever we actually did a live show last week and I had a fever the whole time and didn't know until afterwards. I took my temperature and was like, oh, it's 102. Oh, I'm dying. Yeah. You were a champ, Henley. You were a champ. Thank you. Thank you. But anyway, yeah. So I'm recovering, but I still got out there. I didn't want to let my new friends down. I didn't want to let my new friends down. I didn't want to let my instructor from Ibiza down.

And yeah, I'm really proud of myself. And I'll keep you guys updated on the tennis thing. It's only up from here. I can only get better. I'm only going to improve. Yeah. So that's it. I love this.

I think this is, you're becoming what? Hadley? Hadley. Who's the alter ego? My alter ego. You're becoming Hadley. Hadley, who has lived in Greenwich, Connecticut her whole life. She has a full silver setting. There's so many things about her that are not me but i'm you're discovering new things every day every day um but sammy tell me what about you how was your week anything scary happen something a little scary has happened which is that i installed a floor to ceiling height cat tree in my apartment it is really big and my cats don't seem to like it. That always happens. They never want the toy. They never want the thing you buy for them. They want like the box or the plastic

bag or. Yes, they love the box. Yeah. I think they're a little scared of it because honestly, it's not designed super well. The platforms are a little small. And so one of my cats is like trying and he's like getting a little wobbly and I think he's, he's a little freaked out by it. So we're going to keep it there for, I don't know, a couple of weeks to see if we warm up to it, but otherwise it's got to come down because it is extremely large. I thought I was doing a really nice thing for my, for my cats because we don't have a lot of square footage in the house. So I'm trying to take advantage of the vertical space. Give them something to do because I think they get kind of bored. Last night at 2 a.m., one of my cats just

meowed for 30 minutes as loud as he could. Really great stuff. Might as well have a newborn baby. I mean, what's the difference? Might as well. What is the difference? Yeah. I hear newborn babies, they're only annoying for one half an hour at two in the morning, right? And then the rest of the time, it's really easy. And you can leave them alone for a long time. You can actually hear my baby outside my door. Can you hear her? I cannot, but perhaps the microphone can. So listeners, if you hear it. But another scary thing I did this week was watch this week's movie, which is The First Omen, came out earlier this year, directed by Arkasha Stevenson, written by Arkasha Stevenson, Tim Smith, and Keith Thomas. Story by Ben Jacoby, based on characters by David Seltzer, starring Nell

Tiger-Frie, Ralph Innocent, Sonia Braga, and Bill Nighy. It's streaming on Hulu for free, so anybody can watch it, unlike last week's movie, which was $20 to rent. Too much. And we are joined by two guests today to talk about this film. They are the hosts of the podcast, X-Ray Vision, Jason Concepcion, and Rosie Knight. Thank you guys for joining us. Woo-hoo! Thank you for having us. We're so excited. We're so excited you're here.

Yeah, this is a good one. This is a good one. Jason, I'm waiting until we're on air to tell you that I did listen to all of Harry Potter Binge Mode. So I feel like I already know you. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. It was a labor of love. It was a lot of content.

I got to tell you, it's a lot of content on Harry Potter. But my husband and I both listened. So when I told him that you were coming on our podcast, he was like, what? Jason, come see us. So when I told him that you were coming on our podcast, he was like, what? Jason, what's going on? So exciting. Yeah. So anyway, thank you guys for being here. Did anything scary happen to either of you this week? Yes. My partner called me. She travels a lot for work and called me a day this week and was like, listen, I don't want you to be alarmed, but I was going to go play tennis. She was on the East Coast traveling. I was going to play tennis with some friends.

But her leg had kind of been aching. So she had teledocked with her provider about it. And when she told them that she had recently on a plane they were like you need to go to the emergency room it could be a blood clot you know go to your yeah that's scary you could die and it was so she told me that was very scary oh my god but it turned out to be nothing just a cramp okay but for like you know two three hours i was scared legitimately frightened that's really scary that's horrible to be waiting is it a cramp or are you about to die like that's just a really the spectrum my god yeah yeah the oh my god the joy of teledoc is nine times out of ten they're

just gonna say i go to the er and then you're like oh maybe i'm dying yeah it's happening yeah i okay this is far less scary but was still scary to me i when i'm not doing podcasting and writing about this stuff i've begun to get immersed in my local community and like when i've been going to like local council meetings and stuff with uh and i i had to go to i've been some of the subcommittee meetings where i live by the port so we talk a lot about the ports but i had to go and do a report at the main central neighborhood council meeting and it was like no joke i was standing up there about to report about this exciting cal trans meeting to do with a bridge near us and as you can tell alt trans meeting to do with a bridge near us and as you can tell exhilarating life that i lead no this is great and um but when i was standing up on my little thing about to give the report

to the neighborhood council of like eight people i swear i was like more scared than like moderating a panel at sdcc i was like i have done a lot of moderation but in that moment like i was sweating and i was like who who eight people feels like a cursed number for that it's like it was intimate exactly i felt like i was like in it felt very official so i was like wow democracy's working but it is really scary so yeah that was the scary thing how to go how to go you know it was it was i gave i gave the report um i was kind of they ended up voting on the motion but i will say the the president of the neighborhood council did scare me because as i was talking

he was like what like what gives you the the kind of like right to be here like telling us about this this transportation like do you work in transportation and i said i live in san pedro and i used the bridge and then everyone laughed so i managed to i managed to do a joke but i think i also made an enemy but it was pretty scary it was pretty scary but they made they did the motion this bridge near us who knows what's going to happen with it next but i'll make sure if i come back i'll keep you guys updated on the bridge yes please please keep us updated oh i really admire that all of us should be more involved locally in our local communities and i'm not doing a good job with that right now and i want to be better about it it is scary but yeah it's so scary but you're meeting people via

tennis so maybe you can make some make some moves in the tennis club community and then you'll be moving up that social ladder, start talking about bridges. I'm going to be like striking deals on the court. I'm going to be like serving. And then, yeah, negotiating. Give some more funding. Give some more funding to the local schools. Come on, come on.

If I beat you in this tennis game. Oh, man. Terrifying. Okay, so speaking of terrifying, how do you guys feel about horror movies? Do you guys love horror movies? I do love horror movies. Big fan.

I was raised on them. Yeah, same. I'm a horror movie lover since I was a little kid. Wow. What was the first horror movie you guys remember seeing or the one that like really stuck, one of the first ones that really stuck with you? Wow. I think. Gosh.

Yeah, what was yours, Jason? Well, I was one of those latchkey kids. So, um, my mom raised by a single mom, shouts to single moms out there. Yeah. Got me a, uh, you know, like a membership to the small video rental place that was like walking distance from the house and I could rent whatever I wanted. So I would just rent whatever looked the scariest and most troubling. And I saw a lot of things that I shouldn't have seen many, many, many, many things I shouldn't have seen, but I think maybe maniac cop was the first one and was, and again was shouldn't have seen it it was not scary that was not one of the scary ones stuff like this like that we're going to talk about today where the

devil things yeah as a catholic as a kid who was raised in catholic were the scariest so like omen the exorcist uh rosemary's baby stuff like that was the stuff that really scared me yeah i admire you for going straight straight into it because i was the kid in the stuff like that was the stuff that really scared me yeah i admire you for going straight straight into it because i was the kid in the video store that was like don't look at that don't even go down the aisle yeah i can't even go down the aisle because i'll ruin the whole month if i even see that image i was i was kind of like in between so like i loved reading the backs of the horror videos like i'd always be reading them like oh this is so scary and I still remember going I didn't have a blockbuster account but a girl

who lived next door to me had one and I remember we'd go in there we'd always rent the princess bride but I'd see these covers and I still really remember some of them like the dentist and the cover was like it was like a man's mouth with like yeah with like broken glass for teeth and that one really freaked i'm like i'm still remember it like 30 years later but um i think for me it was the one i'd kind of been around them a lot there was obviously in the 80s there was this thing in england called the video nasty craze where a lot of stuff got banned so like texas chainsaw massacre was technically banned in the UK till 2001 wow right wow but so I remember the first time my auntie when I was like probably eight or nine she watched Texas

Chainsaw Massacre in the next room and I could hear it and I was like oh should I go in should I go in but for me I think the big one was I was at a sleepover and they rented I know what you did last summer and I was really in my head about it like this is going to be so scary I'm I'm the anticipation was worse in my head I'm imagining stuff but I just when we watched it I just totally fell in love with it and then I watched like every slasher movie I could get my hands on so I think it was like getting over that peak of don't look at it like anticipation and and this fear of what something could be especially because i grew up in a era where this was a real thing that happened in our neighborhood somebody had

a sleepover where their parents let them watch nightmare on elm street and then through the price so this is like not a high school situation you're talking about lower than middle school like eight-year-olds nine-year year olds and it spread throughout the local community and started making it so kids like couldn't sleep because they were telling each other about freddy krueger and they had to actually do assemblies at the schools and send out letters to parents to say do not let your kids watch this movie and that was in the 90s the movie had been out for a long time but that was definitely I was definitely in that era of like pre-internet how bad could this be like and you sort of they they're worse when you hear other people tell

you them you imagine something so much worse so I think getting over that hurdle and but then when I watched I Know What You Did Last Summer and then from there like Scream and all the slasher movies and and then I started we were we had a really cool video store where I lived in Stoke Newington called The Film Shop and they had all these old like Suspiria and all these kind of older cool classic movies and that was when I really got into my fandom but yeah it was getting over that hurdle was definitely a big deal because in my head everything was so much scarier yeah right well that's part of this podcast is if you're just listening in your imagination it can really do a lot to make you feel scared this movie too i'm

sorry guys it's gonna be scary hearing us talk about it it's gonna be scary i can't wait i'm so glad you brought up i know what you did last summer though, because we, I recapped that on this and revisiting it was so fun because the aesthetic of horror movies, there are a lot of really like artsy, beautiful, amazing aesthetic horror movies. And then there's like the nineties teen slasher aesthetic. And that is so fun.

Like it's delightful. It's so much fun. And it's so nostalgic. Cause like, yeah it's so nostalgic because like yeah it was like our childhood those were like our role models yeah you know people our role models were just people who hit someone with a car and then hit the body and we were like yeah obviously totally logical she looks so cute in that tank top yeah i mean now mean, now those are, I see kids now who actually do dress like that again and I've realized how old I am.

Because everyone in LA, every kid is wearing like JNCO jeans and like a tiny spaghetti top. And I'm just like, I cannot believe this is the fashion that came back,

even though that's what I wore. So I don't know who I am to be judging people. It's crazy. Okay, well, I can't wait to hear about this film. Yeah, let me tell you some stats. It has an 82% on Rotten Tomatoes, 65% on Metacritic, and 6.5% on IMDb. Budget was $30 million.

It's made $53.9 million. Okay. It initially received an NC-17 rating. They had to. Whoa, whoa. That's rare. Yeah. They had to edit down a specific scene.

Rosie and Jason, you can probably guess which scene it was. Although there are a few. But I can guess. I can guess. Still pretty lengthy. Yes. It's still pretty shocking. I had not seen anything quite like it before.

Okay. The events of this movie take place in 1971, so it's like directly before the original Omen, not to be confused with the first Omen. The 1976 film, The Omen, basically takes place directly after this movie. This is the sixth movie in the franchise. I've only seen the original Omen and the first Omen. But Jason, you said that you are a fan of this franchise. So you've seen them all. I have seen the original. I've seen the original Omen trilogy.

Yes, me too. Many times. I quite enjoyed. The final O too. Many times. Okay. I quite enjoyed the final Omen is strangely satisfying picture, especially in the context of the modern day. Okay. I got to check them out. I'm so bad with like these like classic horror sequels. Like I haven't seen any of the exorcist sequels and I it's, it's a blind spot for me that I'm, I really would like to work on. And then just some Game of Thrones trivia. There are three actors in this that have been in Game of Thrones. That is true. Nell Tiger-Frie,

who's the main character in this, played Myrcella Lannister. Myrcella. Myrcella. And Charles Dance played Tywin Lannister. And Ralph Enoson played Dagmar Clefjaw. I don't remember that character, but I love Ralph Enoson. Yes. He will soon be playing Galactus in the MCU. Oh. A giant planet-eating kind of alien creature. Cool. planet eating kind of alien creature cool so i have heard about this character and people being really intrigued on how that's gonna translate in a in a film in a visual medium look forward

to that especially with a character actor like ralph it's like a very interesting choice henley just so you know ralph enison is the hot dad from The Witch. I think he's hot. Wow, controversial. Our second episode was The Witch, ever, of the podcast. And I bravely admitted that I thought he was hot in that movie. And since then, we have a... Running series of hot or not dads in horror movies yeah we have to always call out hot dads in horror movies that's very important he's a hot he's a hot father in this one i'll say oh my god a lot of people agreed we did a lot of instagram polling on this and

you'll be shocked by the results oh yes i never judge uh people's yeah propensity for a hot dad. We all have hot dads, especially in horror. He has a very deep voice, a very deep voice speaking in that English. He's got an amazing voice. Yes. Powerful voice. Yes. Wow.

Okay, that really brings it home for me. Thank you. So, yeah, you'll be able to picture that. Well, shall we get into this recap? Henley, are you just at the freaking edge of your seat waiting to hear about? Yeah, I didn't love the little baby in a bundle being carried around. Didn't love the woman screaming. Didn't love a lot of the images I saw.

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Too Scary Didn't Watch in the drop-down menu that follows. So Father Brennan is visiting another father, Father Harris, who I believe is played by your hot dad, Ralph Innocent. Great. Well, Father

Brennan is Ralph Innocent and Father Harris is Tywin Lannister. Charles Dance. Charles Dance. Chucky Dance. They are in a spookily quiet confession booth where they're talking about a terrifying occult conspiracy. And the older father, he gives him a photograph and it says Skiana inscribed on the back and it's some nuns holding a little baby it looks very creepy and he's saying they're trying to do something but they can't really pass what's happening he's old he's terrified he's consumed with guilt he wanders

out of the church and as he does we see a slow motion stained glass window breaking above them that was about to be put into the church and now this immediately makes you think of in the original omen somebody's head gets chopped off by a window it's very huge scary moment but no the glass breaks and they both seem to be fine but then as father harris turns around you see that an entire scaffolding pole has just gone through his head. And he turns around and blood goes out of his mouth and he says, I'm fine. That whole chunk of his brain is missing. That goofy smile really made me laugh.

He gives like a big bloody smile just like, I'm fine. And you're like, what? Loved it. So good. It's really good because they look at each other for a minute before he turns around. And then the other priest blesses himself because he sees that like this guy's brain is just missing. So like RIP to that man. It's a very scary opening.

This is just like screaming a gif that would go around mom communities online. That would be like, lol me right now. Yeah, because he opens his mouth and he's got the bloody little thing. He's like, I am fine. Me after two morning wake up. Exactly, exactly, exactly. Okay, that's a great opening. Then we get our main title, First Omen.

And we meet our protagonist, Margaret. This is Nell Tiger Free. She is arriving in Rome, greeted by Cardinal Lawrence, who is Bill Nighy. Legend. Yeah, he's great. I love him. Yeah. And she is being taken to an orphanage that she's going to work at. And as they're driving there, they see protests happening in the streets. And Cardinal Lawrence tells her, yeah, these protests have been going on. We get to the orphanage. It's only girls at the orphanage. She's getting a tour of it, meeting, you know, seeing the building and seeing some of the other nuns that work there.

There's one nun, Sister Angelica, that seems a little weird. She's got, she's given creepy vibes. Yeah. She just kind of, she's walking down the stairs, like rubbing the walls as she walks. And they're like, oh yeah, that's Sister Angelica. She's great with the kids. We just love to leave her with the kids. There's also, just to kind of flesh it out a little more, she seems to lack, there's just something off with her when you just look at her.

The eyebrows, did she shave her eyebrows? Are they just gone? She's got a very kind of like mono-featured kind of face and is very wan and pasty with her hair seemingly like the locks of her hair just kind of like stuck to her like sweating all the time something appears off about sister angelica this was great casting what a perfect actor for this part and margaret finds a room with a little girl in it that is doing some drawings and she goes in to talk to her this little girl's name is carlita who also has some some vibes that we're immediately picking up on she does not have good boundaries she behavioral

issues yeah she immediately margaret goes to look at the the drawings that she's done and and carlita immediately licks her cheek this kind of long slow lick across the face leaving a lot of spittle and and margaret understandably just freaks out and like ah what's going on and they kind of have to come and wrestle her out of of there but it is weird why is this little girl in a room all by herself? Why is she just drawing creepy drawings? Like, it feels like there's something going on there that the rest of the orphanage for a horror movie

is surprisingly, like, cheery. The girls get along. There's a lot of noise. It's kind of brightly lit. It's quite beautiful. But this is where you start to get the hint of oh there's something darker going on here yeah she's in like a looks like a little prison cell and she looks like the girl from the ring yeah she has not been well looked after it's like long dark hair and

crawling around in a nasty nightgown. Yeah, it's giving sadako. And so that night after Margaret gets settled, she's in her room. She hangs up her habit and does her nightly prayers. And as soon as I'm seeing that habit in the background kind of out of focus, it's just a you know a human shaped yeah figure in the background i'm like something's about to happen i thought that's one of the scariest setups too because that happens to me all the time yes i am always getting creeped out by things in the corner of my eye like i'll be laying in bed and there's some stuff on my chair where i record and it will look like somebody's sitting in the chair and i'll have to kind of like move it so it doesn't yeah and it there's

something about the way our minds perceive shapes and try and make sense of them that are really scary so I was the same as soon as I saw that in the background I was like my hackles were up also it's it's summer in Rome you know so the windows are open and the drapes are kind of blowing into the room in this kind of spooky way. She doesn't have any lights on as she's saying her evening prayers. So very shadowy behind her as these drapes are kind of like, you know, blowing in the breeze across your vision of this habit that is hung in the wall and placed conspicuously right over her shoulder. Yeah. And then she just starts sensing something, right? And kind of nervously turns, like the feeling in the room. She gets like a, you know, the hairs on her back of her neck stand up or something. And she looks behind her and sure enough, this habit is suddenly filled with a nasty

little demon looking nun. I didn't get a good look at it because I think I covered my eyes. I was very scared. It really was very scary. And she's sort of like frozen in the fear of it. And you're kind of in that moment with her of not knowing what's going to happen next. And then you hear someone come in. You hear this kind of shrill scream almost but it's her new roommate loose who's who's actually like dressed in like really sexy cool clothes and

yeah and she has been using her time before she takes the habit to kind of explore life and explore what it would be like to be able to enjoy your body to think you're beautiful and she's wearing these unbelievably costumed almost like it's like almost like a leather bdsm kind of outfit but it has these huge gothic net sleeves and skirt it's it's really cool i was kind of blown away by how good the costuming was in this moment it's giving like sexy carmen san diego yeah yeah yeah i love that it's great cool and uh luce is like oh great to meet my new roommate you should come out on the town let's go out yeah let's enjoy rome you're young i'm young you're beautiful let's go you're beautiful look how beautiful let me do you up let

me make you up let me get you and she does like a makeover like a uh which you know is this i guess this is fine you know we're all young but you know we are uh novitates in the catholic church but like don't worry about it it's great you're with me you're in safe hands, come out with me. And she dresses her up so sexily. And we got to say, Margaret is raised in the orphanages in the Catholic church. She's been passed around them. She's not used to anything. She gets there, she's praying, she's still wearing all black. Luz puts her in an ultimate low cut, down to the navel, silver, super 70s.

You know, Margaret's hair is kind of ratty, but she kind of brings it out into some kind of curves. It is, I kind of love this moment because I was like, so it was so unexpected in this kind of movie to get this moment of these young women actually living in the 70s and kind of exploring. these young women actually living in the 70s and kind of exploring what does it mean to to be able to do this kind of stuff when you're about to give up everything i think lou says to her she's like you've got to understand what you're giving it up for it to mean something so let's go out and and so the good pitch yeah which is it's a really great pitch and they look great and they go to a disco they look beautiful yeah i am shocked that a disco. They look beautiful. Yeah. I am shocked that the nuns let him out of the house. The nuns are like, oh, you have fun, girls.

Maybe they snuck out. I'm going to say. They're sneaking by. I'm going to say you're not incorrect. Yeah. To be like, why did that happen? I think you were thinking at this time, maybe the nuns go to sleep early. You know, it's a wake with the sun, sleep with the sun.

Also, it felt like it was their own kind of apartment from the way that it was. It was really it's got this really cool little vibe like you're in a college dorm or something. Yeah. And Luz has clearly been doing this. Right. Right. Yeah. She's got a little she's got a way.

This is not this is not the first time. Yeah. This is not the first time. Yeah, this is not the first time. So they go to a disco. And this scene is like so much fun because they really show this. For us, it's a relatable scene. But for Margaret, it is almost like watching a horror movie. Because she goes in and there's all these bodies and everyone's, you know, writhing and kissing

and living in sin and kind of doing all of that stuff. And they come across these two men and Lou goes off and dances with one and Margaret kind of doesn't know what to do and she's scared and she kind of staying back. But this guy, Paolo, who's kind of giving her the eye, he's got like a very 70s, I'm on vacation look.

And he's patient. And they drink together and they talk about their interests. And she doesn't tell him that she's going to be a nun, but she does quote Volare to him. And then he's like, ah, oh, let's go and dance. Let's do it. We've got to go and dance now. And they do. and it is a

very evoked suddenly we're not in a 70s disco anymore we're in like a rave yeah like flashing strobe lights strobe lights they both look like they're on some kind of controlled substance they're like licking each other okay and like kissing and and it's getting quite it's getting quite like saucy and and heated heated is a great word because it feels almost like they're possessed which i'm sure is what we're supposed to feel there's this moment of the loss of control that margaret has yeah like so many of us have had when we're in those spaces of like you feel consumed by the euphoria of the music and by the people around you. And it seems like it's going to be this kind of huge experience for her,

but then screen goes black. Oh, and she wakes up the next day with, I have to say one of my favorite shots in the whole movie, she's laid on the bed and it's on purple sheets. And they've done this thing with her hair where they've styled it out from her head in almost tentacles and when you see the shot of her waking up it looks like a painting the hair is so unnaturally kind of arranged around her head in this almost halo

and her makeup is smeared smeared and it just is such a cool shot and it's definitely when that happens bright light of day and she awakens and it's a definite uh-oh uh-oh yeah what happened we've all we've all been there yeah yeah i actually love that she has the same response that it's actually like one of the most relatable Margaret moments because she's a very unique character so you don't have a lot of like in moments with her but she wraps herself in a blanket goes into the living room to lose and immediately says did I embarrass myself last night and I'm like we've all done that like we've all texted the friend and be like uh I don't remember getting home like what happened but lose is like don't worry about it okay She's like,

you didn't do anything too crazy. And she's like, you were a very brave girl, which is what I wanted. But I managed to get you away from Paolo before anything bad happened. And it's our little secret. So don't worry about it. Okay.

All right. So she hasn't been like impregnated with demon spawn yet. Who's to say? Who's to say who's to say okay so then you can see margaret's still like she's pretty stressed out about this regardless even if luce tells her it's fine and she's definitely hung over like she's feeling it yeah and she goes to like a town square type place she like goes for a walk and father brennan finds her there and comes up to her pretty panicked and uh just throws a lot at her all at once i feel like he did not think this through he didn't be like hey here's who i am like chill with

me he's like sit with me you must sit with me and she's like who's this fucking weird priest like just like what's going on here like what is occurring but yeah he he throws a lot at her yeah he's he's basically saying you you know carlita carlita's at the orphanage you're at like bad things are happening around her right she gives you bad vibes right you gotta be you gotta be careful all of the margaret tries to leave. He grabs her arm. It's just the vibes are off. Yeah. And he says, I'll tell you everything. Like, meet me in my room later.

You're like, what? She's like, obviously I'm not gonna be doing that. And walks away, understandably freaked out. And then she has like this, when she gets back to the orphanage, she has this weird vision where she hears someone screaming and she's looking for Carlita and she follows it

and she thinks she sees a woman being restrained, giving birth. And it's really a terrible, terrible moment that leads to what I believe is like the most terrifying. Tell us. Okay, okay. Tell us everything. So the woman is being, she's laying there, she's screaming, she's kind of having those demonic bone crunching kind of spasms

that you do have when you have a demon baby inside you in a horror movie. And they're putting the mask on her and that's that moment we see in the teaser where she kind of looks and smiles in that terrifying way. And then they go down and they show the bump and it's kind of, you know, pulsing. There's something terrifying inside. And then in what I believe is the first time we've ever seen this in a movie, they decide they're going to show between the legs oh wow the woman is birthing the crowning the crowning but alas this is not just your average demon baby instead what we get is a hand that reaches out a demon hand that reaches out of the vagina great and towards us covered in goop with sharp nails it's absolutely terrifying and i

i am so bummed that i did not see this in a movie theater yeah me too i bet that the audience responses were absolutely wild very shocking really it's slow it's like really drawn out and so yeah this is the scene that they had to cut down so there is a longer version of this scene oh wow i'm interested to see the unrated version i gotta say i'm surprised that it was this one i thought it was the other one okay yes understandable understand there are a few i think this is a really interesting, the fact that it's this one and not like the horrors that occur later,

I think is a really interesting way. It's a good example of what has always been weird about horror and how people react to horror, which is like, oh no, a woman's body. This is coming out of a woman's body. Censor it. Like this is, no one knows that that is down there we just look at women and we pretend that's not there and i think that's really interesting and very old school like video nasty banning because the truth is later on as jason points out there is horrific stuff that occurs and this woman is put through but this is

i knew as soon as you said that it had n7 c17 i was like this is the kind of stuff that occurs and this woman is put through but this is i knew as soon as you said that it had n7 c17 i was like this is the kind of stuff that used to have people outside cinemas with you know placards right i will say now that thinking about it it is just to give you only a little bit more context it is not that style like there's quick cuts as you see the distress of this woman and the restraints are bulging against the restraints and kind of furtively seeing the action between her legs and what's going on as they're reaching down there. But it is like very almost documentary style, naturalistic.

Like it's happening in daylight. Margaret is watching. So it is kind of like more realistic less stylized than some of the other horror moments yeah that's a that's a really good point because a lot of this movie has this kind of like gothic giallo vibe but in this moment they put that camera in between the legs and they're like this is just happening like it's bright light there's no shadows and the hand kind of unfurls towards. And then, you know, Margaret's like, ah, and runs away.

And it was kind of, was it a vision? Was it real? What she saw? She passes out. And then the cardinal, Bill Nighy, the cardinal that seems to have known her most of her life. And he's like talking her down and saying, yeah, childbirth is crazy. It's weird that more people don't pass out. He's like, actually, like, you're the normal one.

Everyone who doesn't pass out is just crazy. Also, I'm like, why? This is the moment as it is. I don't blame Margaret for not knowing this because she is coming into this place very naive. But this is definitely the moment where i'm like why does this orphanage have this like very clinical like birth space i get i i think you could say like well you know young pregnant women come to them and they're in need of a home and they're gonna become nuns and then you'll raise the kids within the orphanage. But I doubt it would look like, this looks like a horror movie scientist lab.

Like it's all white. It's all metal. And that was when I was like, okay, I see. I understand where the evil is coming from. Some red flags. Yeah, big red flags. Big red flags.

Speaking of red flags, actually, then Margaret sees Carlita showing creepy Angelica, the creepy nun from before, a drawing of a pregnant woman being restrained. There we go. And they're like teamed up, like drawing it. So, you know, Margaret wakes up and things seem really actually cheerful at the orphanage.

Like the nuns are dancing and singing with the kids. Oh, they're jumping on a trampoline. Yeah. They're jumping on the trampoline. They're like, look at how great it is here. It's a fun time. You know, Margaret is just, she's just fainted, you know, so she's like the blood flow is like returning.

She's feeling her strength. And she looks over and she sees Carlita and weird nun Angelica kind of like, you know, leaning together, whispering what's going on. She goes over and says, hey, what's up? What's going on? And Weird Nun looks up at her with,

I'll try and do it. You know that tight face when you've been interrupted, but also like kind of unhinged. Now you're happy you're being interrupted because you get to share this thing with somebody so she looks up like with like a like that kind of look and then it's like yeah look at this crazy look at this drawing look at the talent that Carlita has and it is a black and white scribbly very rough drawing of a young woman with and you could see the fetus inside of

her like there's like a cutaway you see the little baby inside and and also she's surrounded by like evil scary nun face evil figures like in the corner of the page and you know uh margaret is like uh you do this drawing beautiful and. And Carlita says nothing. And Angelica points to the baby part, you know, the mother and the baby part. And goes, I did this part. This part is mine. And then she says, it's a boy. Because they drew it in blue.

And you're like, you are not supposed to be encouraging this. Yeah. And that's what. And yeah. And Margaret's like, meh. She's very much like, meh. It seems a little inappropriate. Yeah. That's what she says. She's like, and yeah, and Margaret's like, she's very much like, it seems a little inappropriate. Yeah, that's what she says. She's like,

isn't this inappropriate? And then Angelica's pissed. She's like, how dare you? She gets very curious. How dare you? Like, what do you mean? The smile, she's got this, she's like, yeah. And then as soon as she says, like, that's not right, the smile just goes like, falls away. Yeah.

And there's pure, just like icy, like how fucking dare you in her eyes, like unhinged hatred in her. And she, she runs off and she's kind of furious. First she like starts to run away and then she comes back and kisses her on the mouth. Kisses Margaret like really crazily.

Like I was in there and I was like, I feel like the church is going to do something about this. I feel like they're not going to be happy about it, but they just kind of ignore it. Honestly. I feel like they're just like they're busy, but it's really creepy. It's this,

it's a great scary moment that kind of hints to the lack of consent that is at the heart of this whole scary movie. And Carlita seems unhappy. Yeah. She doesn't like Angelica. She seems clearly unhappy, but in that, you know, as a young person, also not confident enough to express that she doesn't feel okay with it.

How old do you think Carlita is? Like 12? I think she's like- 13, 14? I thought she was like 12 or 13. Yeah, a little pre-teen age yeah and also we should say that margaret has kind of have has a soft spot for carlita because we have found out in a conversation that they had that margaret had some troubles as a child

and was able to overcome them and so she feels this um yeah know, protective over Carlita where she's like, I know what it's like to be the problem child at an orphanage, like exactly the situation you're in. And so she's kind of taking her under her wing a bit. So this weird kiss happens, right? And then Margaret's like, okay, Carlita, let's get out of here. The kids are playing over here. They're doing Ring Around the Rosie or whatever Italian version of that is. Let's go over there and you can be part of it. Like, you can get with the kids and be part of them.

Don't sit alone. And so it seems to be going well. Margaret's in the middle of these kids and they're doing Ring Around the Rosie and it seems like all fine. And then all of a sudden we see crazy nun Angelica and she's got her habit off. We just are tight on her face. She's sweating profusely.

Looks like she just came out of like a vat of Vaseline. And we realized that she is up on a balcony above these kids. She's looking down on these kids with this nuts look on her face. Like a rictus grin, like, and the hazel stacked up. And she's like so excited that Carlita has now noticed her and is looking. And as Carlita notices that crazy nun Angelica is up there, that's when the kids do, and you will fall down. And they fall down and they're playing dead around her as Carlita is looking

up at this vision of nun Angelica standing on this balcony, looking down at her. And it is, we realize it's not good. Yeah, it's really so scary. And then you get this moment that if you've seen the original movie or you've heard somebody talk about it like this, there is a moment in that movie where the nanny is up on the, and she says, Damien, it's all for you damien it's all for you and angelica kind of echoes that and she she whispers it and she says it's all for you

one tear we have one singular tear like under her eye and you you feel like you know what's gonna happen here you do not they took it up like they turned it up like 11 notches because what she does is she actually sets herself on fire oh shit and then throws herself off the building where she has revealed that she had a noose around her neck and she smashes into the window on fire hanging herself it was honestly again i thought it was a very shocking version of what i was expecting and it has this huge impact and obviously all these children are watching and carlita is watching and all then it just chaos breaks out they're like okay how do you think it is. It's something else.

That is 10 more things than I thought that it was going to be. Yes. She's really, Angelica pulling out all the stops for that. She's showing off. She's really showing off. And so after this, Margaret's like, maybe I will go see Father Brendan. Maybe there is a reason to be panicked. Things are going on around here.

So she goes to his room. He lives at, I guess, another church somewhere. He's giving her directions to where he is. He has like four deadbolts on the door. As she gets in, he's just like closing deadbolt after deadbolt. He's like, juk, juk, juk, juk, juk. Wouldn't make me feel good getting in a room. Yeah, I'm like, please don't lock me in this room.

Whatever you're protecting me from, I don't want to be locked in this room with you. Also, like the devil can get past a deadbolt. Thank you. It's not going to help. Well, you're going to learn he's not really scared of the devil. That's right. He's scared of the radicals within the church. There's a conspiracy.

Okay, right. Desper radicals within the church. There's a conspiracy. Okay, right. Desperate to regain the power. Yeah. So do you remember, it's 1971. And when Margaret arrived, there were protests happening all around the city because the city is changing. The world is changing. People are becoming less religious.

And there's an open question now in the political realm about like what role the church should play in our lives, in our political lives. And the world is becoming more secular. And what Brennan tells Margaret is that the radicals don't like this. They want people to turn back to the church and they're trying to figure out ways to get people to re-embrace the church. This is so, the plan they come up with is just so deranged i feel like they went very far they could there's like 20 plans you could have

done before this plan and so like one of the things he uh is showing her is like all these like photos of different children and then again they're all like labeled with Shiana. And like, so she's looking through just like looking through all this evidence that he's telling her as he's telling her about these like two churches and this schism within the church and these shadowy radicals that are trying to get people to become more dedicated to Christ. Yeah. At some point he's like,

and the way that they're going to do that is they want to create an antichrist.. That's so funny. That's so funny. Truly. I have to say like. This is going to be great. This is going to work perfectly. Hey, listen. I love thinking outside the box. No bad ideas in a brainstorm, right? I think this one,

probably as it went up like the levels of like editorial, like fact checking, I think probably should have fallen away yeah someone should have nixed this i think that there's other ways that we could have accomplished you know getting people more engaged with the church i have to say have a big sale just like a little rummage sale you know sell some more clothes yeah i have to say it is absolutely to the pure like just unbelievable success of the director that when he says that you are scared like they do this movie

could easily have been like a laugh out loud kind of b movie because it's such an outrageous plan but the tone the vibe everything about the film you're just like oh that's that's really bad and it feels in the context of the film like analogous to the secrets that the catholic church have kept or whatever like you know they're talking about these people who are abusing their power and stuff but when you explain it out loud like this you're just like that is a terrible plan guys you're like why would you do that but in this in the context of the movie you're like well this is terrifying because these are powerful people and they've got this awful plan

and they've done such horrible things to kind of make it happen. But obviously, he kind of says, yeah, Carlita, she's going to be the mother. And you're thinking, this is a baby. Like, what are you talking about? And obviously, Margaret is like, what are you talking about?

You are mad. Once again, Father Brennan coming on really strong. Yeah, coming on too strong. He's trembling. He can't, he's like, as he's telling her this, he's like. She's going to give birth to the Antichrist. She's going to give the beast. She's going to birth the beast.

And she's like, please just like unlock your four deadlocks and let me out of your house. We were having that conversation about caffeine right this guy is drinking espresso like at midnight he is fucking keyed up he cannot he is wired he is wired relay this information in a relaxed way he's losing it oh no uh so she so she does get up to leave, but before she leaves, he tells her that Carlita will have a mark on her body of a 666, Mark of the Beast, and that surely somewhere in this orphanage, there will be files to prove everything he's saying.

Find the files. Find the files. Yes, find the files. And she's like, okay, dude, yep, sure. She's like, who am I? Like, Lara Croft. Like, he's sending her on a mission so she's thinking about this it's the next day or days later right and she's you know on a trip but she's on a bus you know and and carlita is like on the front of the bus and and you're beginning to get the feeling now that maybe

the other nuns are paying attention to margaret in a way that they know that she's, like, onto something. Yeah, she's asking her one ally, right? Gabriel. Like, the one guy. Gabriel, she's voicing her concerns. Where's Colleen from? Yeah, and where are the files? Do you know any files?

Have you ever had a file? Eventually, they figure out, like, there's an area where the files might be kept, and so this is like playing on margaret's mind she's thinking about it eventually they get off this bus they're going so i forget where they're going just a field trip just a little field trip the the unrest in the streets continues right they stumble onto this protest and margaret is grasping carlita's hand as they try to move through this cordon of police and protesters and things happening and like all of a sudden

the protest starts getting crazy and surreal and is Margaret experiencing a vision of what's happening there's tear gas they've been separated, they've been pulled apart and now there's these hands like on Margaret pulling her in directions but then all of a sudden like

in addition to the hands that are people that are trying to move past her and move her, there's like a demon hand comes like across her stomach and grasps her there. And then like some other kind of like tentacle. Tentacle or something. Some kind of a tongue maybe. Something like licks across her face and it is extremely troubling. Yeah. And there's flashes of evil nuns and evil priests that are watching her through this

crowd of the chaos. It's a lot. And then we get to see it from the perspective of Sister Silva, who's kind of watching over her and runs the orphanage. And from her perspective, all that we see is margaret just like in the middle of the street screaming like kind of struggling with herself having all there's no one around her she's she's i don't i doubt that this is a movie you guys have covered on here yet but but there is this movie called possession yeah we have done it oh you have done it oh wow

that's like okay you guys are going for the band movies you're like it's happening yeah obviously i think it's very clear that she was there's this moment and there's another moment at the end of the film they were very clearly directing her to look at isabel adjani's performance in the subway scene yep you know she's it's giving possession she's kind of screaming and she's in this and it's it's i was really interested by the choices they made they really show her for a long time yeah doing this kind of fighting fighting herself screaming and it's clear that sister silver is is sure that there's something wrong yeah they pull her into the office back at the orphanage and they're

like so we're pretty worried about you she's like i'm fine i'm so worried about it and they tell her that she can't they're gonna delay her taking her vows because she doesn't seem like she's in a good spot and also all the all the other nuns there have, for the most part, been pretty cruel to Carlita. And so they're basically saying like, Carlita's rubbing off on you and both of you are really weird freaks. And I think like... Yeah, exactly.

And they have this special room where they put Carlita called the bad room. The bad room. That's basically just like a cell. And so they obviously... There's a real horrible abusive mentality going here and yeah and their argument is well we don't want you

to be near her because she's rubbing off on you and now you're crazy but the reality that we can all sense is like they don't want her getting close to Carlita because she's going to find out whatever their plans are or whatever they're doing to Carlita right and also you want to be like hold on didn't Angelica be like, hold on.

Didn't Angelica just like set herself on fire? I don't know. Is anyone going to talk about that? She was a fully vested, like took the vows and everything. Like where are these speed bumps coming? I was like all of a sudden. Where was the safeguarding for Angelica? Like I just had a little breakdown in the middle of a riot.

Like I think that's quite normal. Do we have any guesses about what's happening to her right now what's happening to margaret i thought i knew i will say at this point and i did found my find myself pretty surprised when certain other plot twists okay okay so we'll wait yeah yeah later i was pretty confused i was at this point i was like this is a really interesting treaties on like women and mental health and like hysteria and kind of she's obviously trying to investigate this abuse of children within the church there's lots of interesting stuff going on here but i had not i had not it was a little bit

further on yeah that i clocked what was actually another level yeah another level also we are about to get to one of the most gruesome deaths in the whole movie so just uh prepare yourself okay yeah she decides to uh go searching for paolo um or does she just run into him i think she's just out in the street because she's like freaked out yeah i think maybe she actually escapes She kind of just tries to get out of the church because they're saying like, we're going to lock you up. You're crazy. You're like Carlita, go away. And she kind of runs out. And when she's out in the street, she sees Paolo.

And he does not want to talk to her. Where is Luz? Is she around? Is she still around? She's kind of disappeared. She's just chilling in the church. Partying. Okay.

She's probably partying. And we will get to the church. Partying. Okay. She's probably partying. And we will get to see her soon. Okay. Okay. Got it. But yeah, Paolo doesn't want to talk to her. He looks like very scared by her and is like, sorry, sorry. I didn't know.

I didn't know. Please leave me alone. He's like, go away. And he's running away from her. She's very confused. Saying, Paolo, what is going on? Just talk to me. What?

Like, what are you so scared of? He's backing away from her, facing her, being like, no, no, no. It's like, don't come here. Walks into the middle of the street, and we're sensing something bad is about to happen to him. And he says, look for the mark. He's going like this. Like rubbing his head. Scratching his head and going, oh, look for the mark. And then he like this. Like rubbing his head. Scratching his head and going,

oh, look for the mark. Look for the mark. And then he's kind of stumbling away from her. And then the truck just comes and just boom. Boom. And you think, again, Omen 2.

Pins him to a wall. Yeah, I distinctly remember somebody getting just demolished by a truck in the Omen 2 when I watched it as a kid. I think decapitated, like a pane of glass.

Decapitated. Yeah. Slides off the back of the truck. Yeah, and I remember being so horrified by that. So I'm like, oh, this is like another kind of, another tidbit, another hint towards that. But once again, they turned the horror up to 11 because as Jason said, he is like pinned against a wall, still alive. No. Now this is where you really find yourself inspired and amazed by Margaret's courage and her, like, goodness, her, like, real, like, empathy. She goes to Paolo. He's going to die.

Maybe he's in distress. He's been hit by this truck, been to the wall. And she's like, no, no, no, you're going to be fine. He's like, I'm so, he's so scared that he's going to die. She's like, no, no, no, you're going to be okay. And she embraces him. Yeah, you're going to be okay. And she embraces him. Yeah, you're going to be fine. Don't worry about it.

And she embraces him, and then she tries to pull him out of this wreck, you know, to get him out. And she does get him out. She turns him, and she's holding him like this, and then you hear a scream as the onlookers are watching what's happening. And then you see this change come over Margaret's face where she all of a sudden is like,

Oh shit. Yeah. He is like really light. Like I'm carrying a full grown guy. Well, how did I, I guess this is just like the adrenaline strength. No,

this man has been, he has been cut in half. She is holding half a guy with the guts hanging out the bottom. The guts are falling out. Like the guts are falling out. The guts are falling onto the ground like lengths of rope just spilling out of his body. This was so gross. They call it hamburger style. Hamburger style.

Hamburger style. She lets go of him and he hits the ground with this wet thud. Wait, I really liked how, because there's the moment of her realizing what has happened and she's obviously in complete shock and she doesn't drop him she actually like slays him to the ground in a way that he does make a wet sound but yeah she again shows her care because a lot of people when that person scream but instead she kind of lays him safely and obviously he did not survive no he did not make how long do you think he was alive after his bottom was taken off of his top you know a couple

seconds 10 seconds that's too long that's too long it was too definitely too long that's too long hopefully the ghost limbs were keeping him feeling like he didn't know what was going on honestly like taking him out is probably like the truck that was keeping the blood pressure, like, in the top half of his body, like, going. I think pulling him out actually sped the things along. Well, I mean, technically. Sped it along. For sure. He sped it up.

I don't think there was a good outcome. But that was a kind thing. That was a mercy killing. Yeah, for sure. He had no shot. He had zero shot. Especially if a woman could just lift off the a mercy killing. Yeah, for sure. He had no shot. He had zero shot. Especially if a woman could just lift off the top of you.

Yeah, no, you're not doing well. Exactly. I feel like it probably wasn't going to happen. But look, also, look, I don't know. Who am I to say? But maybe we'll find out he deserved it. Oh. Who knows? Who knows?

Perhaps. Feeling better about this. Since we are mentioning the original 1976 Omen, I want to tell you henley about the thing that creeped me out most about that movie when i saw it as a way too young kid was that these deaths the decapitation other deaths that happened this guy got hit by a like a flagpole that came down and like impaled him and then there's the nanny says damien and then kills herself they're all presaged by photographs. Like at different times, photographs were taken of these characters,

you know, these happy snapshots, but they would have these ghostly marks around the neck for the nanny, a line through the body of this other character, and those all prefigured the way those characters were going to perish. Omens, you might say. Oh! Omens, you might say. Omens, you might say. And you realize also that the main priest, who is like the driving force between we must find the Antichrist and stop the devil's plan, we realize that he is in possession of a photograph

of himself that has one of those marks. And he knows that he is going to perish. And he knows this is like the last thing that he's going to do. And that creeped me out so much. And also like so influential on so many horror movies. It's very Final Destination 3. It's very The Ring. Like this idea that you could somehow know that you're going to die.

My God. The Final Destination 3 version of it is so fun. Dude, it's a stretch. So outrageous. So outrageous. So outrageous, that movie. One of my favorite movies. Very fun. From that era, I like outrageous movies.

Did we do Final Destination 3? I think we were out for that one, Henley, but yes, we did. You're like, I'm coming. Possession, Final Destination 3. That is range. You guys are on. Ladies, I have to say, you're on fire. You're on it.

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into that good I think it's interesting to do this in the 70s because if you'd have done it as like a much older period piece you could have played into the spookiness of the orphanage more but we get that here that kind of like ghostly chambers and and kind of tunnels that feel like they don't go anywhere and then she finds these files that are all labeled you know shkiana and they contain photos of very sadly lots of uh deformed babies and all of them have a birthmark in the shape of the three sixes and it seems from what we find out here that Carlita is the only person who survived was born in a healthy way she was the only one who was born healthy okay in this strange whatever strange experiments they've been doing we should also note that I think by this time right that's true Carly it does seem to be the only one but there's also a file with like a photo missing yeah that that particular file is we don't know who that

person is unidentified like maybe there's another kid that also was born healthy unclear yeah and and each of the files this is very important for shadowing tells you where the 666 is on the body so you know they they were like we're gonna we're gonna make sure we put the notes like six that they died strong record keeping by the way especially secret files that you're somehow managed to keep looking quite fresh i have to say after all these years and even the babies that died you're still noting like where was that six six six babe like just gotta make sure gotta make sure so she actually seems to get away and what i really love about this moment is she's intercepted

after she's already like they don't necessarily have a reason to intercept her because she's already back into the main orphanage but they can just sense she's up to something like at this point you can just the conspiracy is just tightening in on margaret and by the way as she is doing this search it's intercut with all these like ancient catholic rites and we see praying and we see kneeling and we see lose laying face down on the floor prostrate speaking of Luz she's getting she's taking her vows and putting on the habit and I have to say the way they intercut it with the habit being put on Luz where it almost looks like torture it does look completely

suffocating strap it on and it's kind of pushing her face back and then they're tightening it around her neck and especially with the freedom that we saw Luz enjoying before, this does feel hugely momentous. And again, just the cinematography in this movie is so good. And you really feel that. So you're right, as she's looking at those files, we're seeing Luz taking those vows. And then, yeah, all the women are laying on the floor

kind of whispering these prayers on the floor it's it's very creepy and and margaret you think well they're they're busy with lose so maybe she'll get away no she is intercepted they put her in the bad room oh she's trying to get carlita out of the orphanage she's like this is messed up you're getting out of here whatever they think's going on we need to get you out out of the orphanage. She's like, this is messed up. You're getting out of here. Whatever they think's going on, we need to get you out. And as the church kind of pulls them apart, you see that as Carlita screams, she has the 666 on the palette in the top of her mouth.

Whoa, cool. So you get that moment of like... That's cool. Yeah, it really is is and also as well i like it because i think while we do know that this is an omen movie right so there's going to be something supernatural i definitely did think in a kind of like modern how you know when they blumhouse redid halloween and they were like it's about trauma like it's it's this modern retake where we kind of dismiss a lot of what happened in the past up until this moment i really was like oh maybe there is no

babies with 666 right like maybe maybe this is some ritual kind of obsession that's happened in the church and it's actually about women being abused by the church it's actually about the ways that these religious mindsets and like radical mindsets can influence people and then khali opens her mouth and screams and it's like no this is the omen movie baby she's the devil like it's a six six six she's but you know what i love that even in spite of that margaret like is like I don't give a shit. Yeah. She's like, I don't care if you're a demon baby.

They shouldn't be doing this stuff to you. Yeah. Yeah. But they do lock her in this room for a while. There is this very scary scene where she's kind of like losing her mind a bit in this room. We get the sense that maybe

this is a little bit like what she struggled with as a child. She's starting to like have visions and losing her grip on reality. But, and then in the dark corner of this room that she's locked in, she's senses something there's maybe something makes a little sound. And from the shadow, no,

like jump scare. It's just like quietly steps out the yeah i think burned corpse of sister angelica oh this was so scary oh shit she looks bad and also she's kind of seen her momentarily before a lot like back when they were on the field trip she got a glimpse of her but this is she steps out completely naked body totally burnt what looks like really incredible practical effects but them and her lips are all burnt away and she's kind of grinding her teeth in this like grin it's real this was the one moment of the movie i'm quite i was raised by a hardcore atheist so this stuff is not as inherently scary to me but this

was the one moment where i really felt like i could feel my tummy kind of giving me that kid feeling of like don't watch this like you don't want to see you don't want to see what's gonna happen this isn't right do you think that this was also what she saw when she saw that first scary nun in the habit in the very beginning when she saw that image of the freaky nun? I'm not sure because I covered my eyes. No. Yeah, but I don't actually think so. Different demon nun.

I think maybe. I think there's throughout the movie, the demon is like taking on different forms of what scares her the most. I will say that in both of those times there was a kind of zeal in the face of this demonic vision a real kind of like a passion and an energy of like a of like a this demon is thrilled at whatever is happening and that's the vibe you get from this burned vision of angelica it's like as she

steps out of the shadows you can see you can kind of only make out at first in the first couple of steps like the passion in her eyes and the glistening grossness of her burned body yeah like shimmering and then in the light also i could definitely see this being another one of the moments that pushed for that nc-17 because yeah it goes on a little bit too long even in this acceptable r-rated version so i can imagine that there's probably a cut where it was like a minute like a solid minute and it really is very very scary up there with some of the scariest visuals and it's not because she is burnt because people are burnt all the time and they don't look scary it's this vision of her walking out this zeal in her eyes the particular way she's approaching margaret and also as well it's terrifying because losing control of your of your mind of functions, and touch on reality is really scary. And Nell Tiger-Fried does this incredible...

Have to shout her out. Yeah, she's unreal. She's great. I simply cannot imagine how exhausted she must have been on certain days shooting this movie. Dude, I was thinking that consistently. She is going through it, and she is completely like selling this.

Yeah. Like you are in. I do think that I think that the comparisons to Possession and Isabella Gianni are actually like really earned. And that is seen as one of the wildest, craziest movies of all time. Yeah. I think like Nell Tiger Free goes through it in this movie in a similar way. I even think about, even in the moments that are supposed to be fun, like when she's in the disco and she's getting dressed and she's having that montage,

you can still feel this guilt and this anxiety just shimmering off her. So to be able to even put that across in the moments where you should technically be getting a break, she is so incredible. And this is really a powerhouse scene for her i'd be so curious to hear about her experience because i know isabella johnny had a had a bad time i would be very interested to know if uh having a woman as your director would mean that you would potentially have a better time. I would think so. Because also Possession was like such a divorced guy, like specific movie for the director

that like I can imagine that would have been so hard. And I'm hoping that Akasha Stevenson being the director meant that this was more of a collaborative, you can kind of turn it off performance. As we've had, you know, like, what's the really famous Tony Collette quote about Hereditary when they're like, did it like fuck you up?

Like being in that movie, having, she's like, no, I'm an actor. I just like, I acted and then I wasn't acting and like, I was fine. And I was like, that's so good. Because she was, yeah, because I'm like, that movie is terrifying and you were terrifying. But I love that she was like, no like that's so good because she was yeah because I'm like that movie is terrifying and you were terrifying but I love that she was like no that's literally just my job

and then I go home and I'm just like happy I'm sure it's like different person to person because I feel like some people must like get so wrapped in that headspace and yeah I'd be curious to hear what like Nell Tiger Free's process was of like, now that I clock out, like how do I decompress? Right? I think the thing that I would need a good little routine. I like try to appreciate but have a hard time getting my head wrapped around is how film and TV actors with film actors, mostly how many takes they do to it's like, you're not just doing that once. You're doing it so many times from so many different angles with the lights being different, with different things in the background. They're doing different setups and you have to do it over and over and over

and over and over again. And it's just like that's crazy. We're really moving into the Nell Tiger Free as a acting powerhouse section of this movie. Yes. Ramped up. Yeah, she just keeps going. She never lets us, she never lets it down. So Father Gabriel comes into the room that she's locked in,

basically has been pretty supportive of her this whole time and kind of believes her and has had his own suspicions it seems so he comes in and he has the files and he's like okay we're getting out of here i've got the files we're going back to father brennan's house because he is in fact onto something they're like he might not be the best most reliable source but he wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong. And so now we're back in Father Brennan's room and we've got all the files laid out and we see that they have only had girls so far. And so that's a problem

because the Antichrist needs to be a boy. They need a boy. I feel like you're a little bit too emotional. I guess. Girls can be Antichrist too. Girls can be Antichrist too. Come on. Girl bossing, girl Antichristing. It can be done, guys.

It can be done. Mom, can I be the Antichrist? Yes, you can. You can. And don't let anybody ever tell you differently. You can be anything you want to be. Don't let anybody ever tell you you can't be the antichrist yeah and this is such a good scene too because it really i feel like something this movie really captures

is that 70s horror vibe where there's kind of a detective element and you really get that here because they're kind of going through all the files they're looking at all these pictures of these poor babies that kind of and they and they reveal that they're mating women with what they call the jackal yeah really horrible stuff and not a lot of explanation of where this jackal came from i'm like did they just find it like is it like something a demon they summoned because in the 1976 omen there is we like do hear of the jackal and that being part of the creation of of damien but and this is the prequel so i'm like maybe we're gonna get some answers about this jackal yeah no but what answers could there be you know yeah what answers could there be and they do say

they keep when father gabriel was pretty horrified by going through and seeing how you know the babies were born and, and, and Brennan says he's not human. They're not mating. It was something human, but they do realize Brennan has uncovered a horrible, horrible thing here, which is that the devil will need to mate with its own spawn.

So you have to have devil incest. The baby has to be born. And then the devil has to mate with the baby in order to conceive the antichrist because just mating with the devil is not bad enough right and they're kind of realizing this they're going through this horrible momentary just like nightmare of learning about the church's plans and like realization that this is going to be carlita this is going to be a little child you you know, she's a little kid. It's been going on for a long time.

And they've been doing this to women in under the guise of protecting the church for decades, you know, and they find. Which by the way is at this point, is the juice worth the squeeze? I'm saying like, literally guys, bake sale, bake sale. It feels like we've been doing it a long time without any payoff at all. It feels like it's almost just fun for you guys at this point. Is it just fun?

Is it just sport now? I'm like, couldn't you just like, if you needed to like make people scared, couldn't you just summon like a minor demon? Couldn't people just see the jackal and be scared and be like, oh, demons are real. I better go back to the church. You had to go for the full antichrist like i feel like maybe you know in the 1800s there were people whose job it was was to go around and make people think stuff was haunted couldn't you just do like a fake haunting or like a fake seance i don't think you needed to actually go this far and they so they're finding out they see carlita she's the only person who survived no actually there's another file the file that jason mentioned

before that doesn't have a picture that you know mentions that a baby survived and she was born healthy and they realize that the picture they've been carrying around with the nuns holding the baby is not of carlita and is a fact of this mysterious child. They figure that out because... Good record keeping. Yeah, the great record keeping, right? Margaret looks and notices that the 666 is in the wrong place for this particular file to be Carlita because she noticed that Carlita's got the 666 in the mouth.

And they zoom in and look at the little picture. This baby has the 666 in the mouth. And they zoom in and, you know, look at the little picture. This baby has the 666 on the scalp. Classic style. Like classic, just easy to find. And then suddenly Margaret flashes back to poor Paolo, who was scratching his head and saying, look for the mark. And she kind of starts touching her own head

and she feels the 666 is there and she has this memory of like well how would paulo know and she sees him putting her hat his hand into her hair and you think oh paulo just discovered it that way and then he was like oh i better run away this woman's scary no paulo was part of an evil scheme where Henley, as you correctly guessed, on the disco night, she was strapped down. And they have this, we haven't actually talked about this yet. One of the things I think is so horrible

that we didn't even mention because there's so much great stuff in this movie. When they mate the women, and a horrible thing to say, with the jackal, they cover their heads with this black, a wet black bag that is almost like being waterboarded. Like a silken sack. And they put like a noose around their neck and kind of like choke them as it's happening. I don't know why.

Maybe they need to be almost near death. Maybe they're just evil and they love this, which is what I'm thinking. These memories are coming back to her that Rosie is describing. This is, this is by the way, worst case scenario. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Worst case. Did I embarrass myself last night? Oh no. You were fine. You actually did really well in the whole, like, satanic breeding program. I was really proud of you.

So she's remembering the sack being put over her head. She's getting flashes of, like, spiders crawling on her body. She remembers seeing the eye of the jackal, like, open to this white, pupil-less eye. She remembers seeing the eye of the jackal, like open to this white pupil-less eye. We see from her perspective through the bag, this disgusting shadow of the jackal, like coming over her in order to mate with her. It's bad.

It's really bad. It's really bad. Also, interesting thing to note here is like even though brennan thought like this was bad when he earlier explains how it was happening he's like oh they found women who consented and then the women would be like he was like then the women would be like i believe in the church enough that i'm gonna have sex with the devil and then and then when they showed a woman going through it, she's like, Oh no, please stop.

Like actually I've changed my mind. But I think Brennan was very naive to believe that any of these women were consensually. Incredibly naive. Like involved in this situation. I think that sadly Margaret's experience is the result. That's the reigning experience. That's the experience they all had.

And it is horrific. So how often is this happening? This is too often. There often there is a with regular there is a lot of pretty regularly there's a lot of files maybe a hundred files at least yeah a lot of like swath of files i would say like once every couple of months like and also they are enjoying it that is the most important thing i think you yeah the priests love it. The nuns love it. This is good. They have robes. They have special, scary, black, black masks.

It's a big, big, big deal. It's like a ceremony. Yeah. She's remembering back to the moment, and everyone's there watching. And so we see confirmation that Luz was there, and Paolo, and the guy that... God damn it, Luz! And they look stoked. Like, a lot of them,

some of them less than others, but, like, a lot of people are, like, yeah. Like, excited. Like, this is Game 7, Super Bowl type energy from them. It's really interesting, too, because I think for me, one of the hardest moments to swallow

in this film is realizing Luz was in on it. Because I actually think they do such a good job with the disco scene of it being like these two women exploring their freedom and kind of having this moment. And I was like, what a cool thing to just explore in the space of this movie. No, tricked. It's part of this greater plan. And I thought that was a really... It's devastating. Devastating, devastating twist.

And Luz is one of the ones who looks excited. No. She is into it. This is why she wanted to join the church, clearly. She obviously knew about it. And she is kind of exceedingly excited. And so, understandably, Margaret's like,

got to get this thing out of me. Let's off. Got to go off. She crashes out. She has like a little bit of a breakdown. And then Brennan and Gabriel are like, oh, fuck, like you? They really did not see it coming.

I just need to say like, they are as surprised as us. They're like, oh, shit. Again, you find yourself amazed at Margaret's courage because she does say like if this is in me we got to get it out and i was like okay this is going to be a very controversial kind of like way of approaching the film uh the recent sydney sweeney film immaculate also had some interesting kind of vibes of this kind of story but no because as

they drive off to get the baby out an abortion in rome and abortion in the early 70s i don't know how they were gonna make that happen but the the devil the antichrist he's got his he's out there he's got his plans going on and he and a car crashes into theirs and we get this moment where margaret comes out of the car. And this is, I think, the real possession moment. Gabriel and Brennan taken out. They're gone. They're dead.

They're unconscious. One dead, one unconscious. Yeah. Sorry to those men. Like, it's going badly for you. But as she's kind of there, you get this, like, I swear it's almost like two minutes long, if not longer, of her having

this she's becoming pregnant and the baby is growing in her belly in front of you and she goes through the whole nine months of pregnancy in this kind of two minutes and her body and bones are cracking and she's kind of fighting it and and you can see her the blood in her veins is turning black and it is an unbelievable performance. I think it's up there. I think this will be remembered in the same way that the tunnel scene is remembered of Possession. Because it's all one take, right? Yeah.

No break. It's amazing. Yeah. Oh, whoa. And it's like this really like, it's almost like a dance. Yes. It's like a really gross, really gross demonic like pop lock like thriller kind of thing and it is again you're like oscar nom yeah real tiger free like legit like she's

going for it if the academy recognized horror movies this would absolutely be the kind of horror movie that should be recognized she is so. Like the things she does with her body are so unnerving. It's not just like, it's these shakes and she like kind of bows over and moves in this really unearthly way. And then it's like looking up and you feel this thing trying to come through her. And it is, it's amazing. It's disturbing and it's a lot yeah oh god does she have that baby and then i think does she passes out and wakes up back in that creepy chamber under under the church i believe yeah it's her water's break but it is the most gross horrible like green red yeah and then she and then it's

just boom you're asleep and then you wake up and you're in that horrific not i feel as well they they built this up really well because when i was a kid i was very scared of like oh i'm gonna wake up in a horror film like the movie cube like legitimately destroyed me for like two years we've done that as well and i think i mean that is to me is still one of the best horror movies ever made it legit like destroyed my life i also saw that in like high school and yeah uh that one stuck with me as well and and i think this is the first movie i've gotten very good as an adult of realizing that's not real and and being like very sensible but this is one of those movies where when she woke up the first

thing i thought was like oh my god i do not want to wake up in there yeah like that they built it up to such a good level at this point that i still had that innate fear of like what if i woke up in there which i think is the scariest kind of horror and you feel it and and you see Cardinal Lawrence and he's so fucking like patronizing and you're so brave. I'm so proud of you. I always, and it becomes clear that- She's begging, she's pleading. Yeah, she's like, please let me out.

Like stop this. Oh, she says I'm in pain so many times. Oh my God. That was when I was really starting to find that. It's really, really, really hard. Yeah, it was really hard to watch. And also, it becomes very clear at this point that her whole life, she has just been...

This has been the plan. The plan. They've been maneuvering her around. Like, they brought her to Rome under these fake circumstances that she's going to help around the orphanage specifically because of this. Yeah, you know why?

They thought she was their best shot. The thing I really hate about it, about the whole plan. I mean, there's a lot of things I hate about it. It's a bad plan. I just want to say, like, one of the things that they bring up is because when they realize that it's got to be Margaret, it's because they said, quote, Carlita's too young. Oh, now you care.

And it's like, oh, this is the thing that stopped okay okay sure sure sure but like the thing I hate about this yeah is like why can't like it's just really interesting like subtle commentary on misogyny because if you've seen the Damien movies like his followers like they love Damien they're gonna do anything for Damien they're gonna make his life so good how come Margaret who was like marked from birth to be the mother of the Antichrist couldn't they have just given her a nice luxurious life up until that moment why did they have to keep her locked in a room why did they have to like traumatize her and tell her her visions weren't real they should have been like

she should have been living it up in like a beautiful luxurious like satanic castle and they've been like well you're gonna be the mother of antichrist this is a good thing i feel like they could have made her more eager it's a good point i feel like listen this is an off the books operation okay okay true you're saying not a tremendous amount of resources not a lot of funding for project demon baby and you listen we wish there was more money, but there's simply not. We're doing the best we can. Oh, it's so upsetting. It's so sad. It's really upsetting. It's also, I'm trying to, I want to think this through, but there's like so much to be said about how childbirth is depicted

in culture in general. And it's so fascinating that for me, who has now been pregnant twice, I feel like I didn't learn anything about pregnancy or childbirth until I was pregnant. And then it was like the biggest secret that's been kept. It was like, everything you've thought you knew is wrong. It's all wrong. It's really like this. And like everything you've read, everything you've seen on TV, every movie has depicted it completely like the wrong way or just ignored it completely. And then you have these horror movies that are diving head first, baby, head first into childbirth. And I'm not saying they're depicting it realistically, but at least they're like depicting something. And it's so interesting that like, that's where we get to see it.

We get to see it in horror movies. And like, what is that? What the fuck is that? I think that's such an interesting point because the real truth is like, at least horror movies reckon with the fact that it changes your body. And obviously they're doing it in the most horrific way,

but they are saying like, this is scary. This hurts. This can change your body that and obviously they're doing it in the most horrific way but they are saying like this is scary this hurts this can change your body forever there is a die people guys there's like a there's a truth to it there is in a way that normal kind of tv programming especially like when we were growing up it was just like you just have a baby and it pops out and everything's great and you look so beautiful and and maybe you get a little bit fat but otherwise like yay and they don't talk about how it can like change your face it can literally change the shape of your face it can be so agonizing you know I have I have not had a child you are much braver than me my sister has two kids and just seeing her like go through it and and again learn all that stuff on the move

you are right it really is like horror is like one of the only spaces where people want to reckon with it even if it's not realistic there is at least still a reckoning with the toll it takes on your body and even like okay i have so much to say about this but even like in the doctor's office they don't tell you anything like even when you go to see your doctor you're like so like what can i expect and they're like well we're going to do these tests on the baby and we're going to do these tests on you. And it's like, okay, but what are the tests?

And like, why are you doing the tests? And like, you really have to like pull information out of people. Does one of the tests include a giant needle? I would like to know that beforehand. One of them does. One of them does. Yes. One of them includes a huge, huge needle. I would like to know that beforehand. One of them does. One of them does. Yes. One of them includes a huge, huge needle. But anyway, so it's just so interesting to me that it's like,

I hear the most about childbirth in horror movies. Like that's where I'm getting it. Oh, and you're about to get a wild one. You're going to get it. A bit more. You're going to get it. Okay, great. You're about to get depicted. It's going to depict right now. I definitely do understand what Jason was talking about as well because I do see, even though I kind of knew it was going to be the vaginal arm was going to be the thing that really freaked out the senses,

this sequence is so prolonged and so upsetting that I could see a world where this also... Yeah, it probably was part of it as well. Okay, let's just fucking do it, you guys. Let's just rip the goddamn band-aid off. Cardinal Lawrence is telling her, you're going to bring the people back to God. This is such a huge honor.

Like, yay. She's strapped to the operating table, and we see the very rusty nasty tools that they're gonna be using they could have just brought some new tools they had new ones upstairs the ones earlier were cleaner than these there's one that is just like a fork that's yeah oh my gosh like a for a scraping fork yeah no she she also is definitely in like the occult version of the lab like we saw the clean version upstairs she's in the we know you're gonna give birth to the antichrist this is the the viewing one where everyone gets to sit around and watch and everyone's like sit standing there

in their little black mass robes and Nell Tiger Free again is just doing this unbelievable performance where it's almost like she hasn't given up, but she's so exhausted. Like she's just gone through nine months of pregnancy and now they're going to cut these babies out of her. And all she keeps saying is just, please help me. I'm in pain. I'm in pain. And it is like it was really it was actually really hard to watch. And it is because of her performance.

So what do they do next? And it is because of her performance. So what do they do next? So her belly is full now and large, and they pull out one of those nasty tools and just start cutting into it. You see it. Yeah, and you're watching it. Yeah, you're watching it full on the blade going in,

cutting across her belly. Yes, and they pull out a large sack clearly with the entire amniotic sack is out like a like a balloon filled with baby something liquid wriggling a little bit one of the grossest and best moments in this movie is they they put the scalpel into the sack as if to cut it and you kind of expect but it just it just spurts out all this like like pops it just pops and all this all this liquid comes out and you can see that inside brothy brothy i thought it was gonna i thought we were gonna get i'd kind of forgotten at this point which i think is a compliment to the movie

that it was an omen sequel so i definitely thought thought we were going to get some kind of cool, like, goat baby, like, more obvious sign of the devil. But it's just a beautiful, healthy baby. Beautiful, healthy baby. Beautiful, healthy baby. But guess what? As the camera moves so that you can see the face of the baby, you realize there are two.

Two babies! We got twins, folks. Twins. Twin antichrists. Twin antichrists. Okay, two separate babies. Sorry twins folks twins twin antichrists twin antichrists okay two separate babies sorry two separate babies well one is a girl one is a girl so basically doesn't matter doesn't matter in the church's eyes one away yeah yeah they announced that one first and everyone's like fuck fuck fuck the other one come on and they confirm the other one is a boy he's the antichrist hallelujah and it's just like yeah

like and they're all like oh my god like yeah they're so great the habits are coming they're putting their habits down to let the hair glitz like they're so happy it's like graduation day exactly and margaret in a in a classic sick gambit here she's like well let me hold him he's my son you know and they're like yeah she's right she's just a she's just a weak woman after all of course she wants to hold this baby like so they give her the baby she picks up a knife she stabs it in the side of cardinal lawrence's. Very well deserved. I was happy to see that very cathartic moment. And then she's got the baby, but the baby's like crying, and it's

just a cute little baby, the boy. And she can't do it. She can't kill him. They take the baby from her, and they burn the room down, and they say, kill them both. Mother and child. Let them both die. Her and the daughter, yeah. So, they've taken the little boy, he's out there, and they set the them both mother and child let them both die her and the daughter yeah so they've

taken the little boy he's out there and they set the room on fire and margaret is finally i think understandably she's oh by the way lou stabbed her while all that was going on that's how they got the baby back just just because she's evil just she was like fuck you i'm gonna kill you the baby will be happy in the future that i did this and uh so margaret finally she's tired the room is covered with flames the flames are kind of encompassing burning the the scary demon tapestries the baby is wailing the baby is crying her daughter is wailing and i have to say the movie here i did think it was gonna go for one of those like bleakest movie endings of all time you know the a24 ending i was like i could absolutely see that happening she kind of sees a demonic figure in the flames and i was like

okay she's done for or something no because the best thing that happens in this movie that truly made this movie one of my favorite movies of the year carlita comes in like a little demonic superhero and she saves them both and i just was like yeah and she and they get out yeah i was fully expecting to just a burned alive newborn baby carly and i thought that was just i loved it so much and i felt like it was this really cathartic reward for have sometimes you watch a movie that's so bleak and i've been there i've watched the most horrible movies i used to be really into really horrible horror movies when i was younger and i've grown out of that now i find them a bit hard to watch i'm still i'm i'm still in in that phase okay okay but like but like like are you

like do you watch like torture porn and stuff still like that kind of stuff not torture porn but i feel like we've done some movies that are arguably torture porn and i'll usually argue that they're not like we did martyrs which i feel like a lot of people i think i think i think martyrs is one of the best movies ever made. But it is also horrific. Yes. I can't rewatch it. It's not a film I've... And actually, ironically,

would make a great double bill with this movie. Similar. I've been thinking about Martyrs a lot, where it's like, man, do the ends justify the means. I don't know, you guys. And this kind of idea how how women are exploited in religion and the the kind of way that their bodies are not seen as as important yeah martyrs is one of those movies where nowadays i couldn't watch it but i do still i still go to bat for it and say

that is really important and kind of elevates itself above like you know say uh like a hostel or something you know which is just for the sake of it but um but yeah so i was actually i've watched those kind of movies so i was programmed to think that this was going to end that way but i and i feel sometimes you watch those movies and they do have a statement to make and you left feeling bleak the kind of a24 ending but sometimes you just actually you you want something cathartic you want that revenge ending you want the ending where somebody gets to survive and i found this to be a thoroughly enjoyable surprise that that bond that margaret had with kalita and the fact that they're basically almost like sisters in some way

it comes through and and they're sisters same dad same father yeah same father right i'm like i don't know i don't know if they're replacing the jackal i don't know if he's a singular figure i'm not sure how that works but yeah like i i love i i thought that was a really great unexpected surprise that kind of lifted me out of that horrible moment so we see them kind of like run away or what you will get an even cooler part when you get to the end oh oh we flash forward first no no but first remember no no this and the reason you'll forget this doesn't immediately come up is because at this point the movie is so good on its own merit

that you kind of forget that they need to connect it to the omen. So we see Luz and one of the other priests, I can't remember now, in a car with a photo of Gregory Peck from the 1976 omen saying they've been chosen to be the parents of this baby. They have suffered a loss and we're basically gonna swap this baby in, which is how that omen starts. Yeah, they pretend she has a miscarriage, but they actually reveal here that they take the baby and purposefully swap it and say, you've had a miscarriage,

but here's another baby you can have and you should take this baby. And then he'll grow up with their privilege and you know he's an american diplomat so he'll have power which obviously becomes true once you get to that final omen movie you know i i thought this was really cool and at this point i'd kind of forgotten it was connected so i was like oh that was done very well. It should say one quick note. Robert, the diplomat in the Omen movie, 1976, the Omen knows that his baby had died. Yes.

And he keeps it a secret. Hey, we got this extra baby. You want to just like swap it out? And he's like, yeah, yeah, sure. But don't tell my wife. And that's how it starts. Which is absolutely bonkers. It's fucking wild.

Oh, my God. So they're going to do that, like, right now. They're, like, going there. Let's be real. Robert Thorne deserves everything that's coming to him after that. Because that is, like, a terrible plan. Really dick move from Bob Thorne, American diplomat. It's like any old baby will do.

Who cares? It doesn't make a difference. It's just a baby. Are you guys having babies around? They come and go. Where did this baby come from? Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. And then we get our flash forward to somewhere in the snowy woods, looking like off the grid a lone cabin and inside are three generations no two generations it's hard to do the math yeah because it's complicated but we have margaret and carlita and the new baby who is now seems to be like three, the little girl antichrist, having what looks like just like a nice little life. Yeah.

They're just chilling. They're just chilling off the grid. Are there any other, are there any other omen movies that like reference the existence of a girl antichrist? This is, I believe completely new canon, but I hope at the existence of a girl antichrist this is i believe completely new canon but i hope at the end of this movie i did want there to be i was like i would watch that

actually what's a girl antichrist technically are they technically antichrist they're kind of like they killed all the girls because they can't do it right yeah they no they let them live because they don't do anything they don't they just want them to be the mothers. But she is a twin to Damien, so I don't know. Maybe there's some twin connection. I don't think there's ever, there's never been any canon there, but I could be very interested to see what that would look like. But then Father Brennan. Oh, this fucking guy.

Tracks them down to their peaceful little haven. Come on. Once again. I feel like he's surely followed as well i'm like you obviously you are hotting up the place like yeah yeah and and margaret comes out with a shotgun pointing at him immediately just being like get out of here you're not welcome here and he's like i just have a message they know that the girl has survived and she will be important for what's to come so just you know be careful and i think she asks about the her son and he says his name is damien end of the movie whoa i loved it i loved it they're definitely they're definitely gearing up for it did seem

like it was kind of setting it up for the potential to have another little side i hope it did well enough i hope it did well enough for them to do that yeah yeah it made money it was i think so i would keep i would make sure to see the next one in theaters to contribute to that box office i'm gonna say i wish it hadn't gone i this is a big you know we talk about this on x-ray a lot but like and just in general but like it's a bummer that they don't let movies stay in the cinemas for as long because this definitely feels like the kind of movie where a lot of people are going to discover it from people talking about how good it was and the reviews were good but they you know they don't spend a lot of money on marketing and then they

can make the money back on vod or through like a second like a streaming release and i just feel like guys i feel like this is the kind of cool well well-made, interesting, relatively low budget, like mid-budget horror movie that you could have just let be in cinemas till Halloween and it would have kept making money, especially on a Tuesday. You know, on that $5 Tuesday, this is the perfect kind of movie to have in the theater for a long run and people are going to go and see it.

Yeah, I want to see it. I'm curious. I think I could do it. If Immaculate coming out at the same time hurt it at all. That is a good point, actually. Because they are. Yeah. That is so unfair because I feel like this movie is so much better than Immaculate.

It's a lot better. Yeah, it's a lot better. Only one of them really went there in the end, in that final moment. Yeah, but who cares? That's not what made it good yeah this one was uh yeah i like this one more and i will say it just in general i mean we're doing the hell cell is our new release summer there are a lot of horror movies out right now and there's more coming a quiet place just came out which apparently is great yeah the reviews are like super good i have

heard that the cat does an amazing performance. I love that. I'm very excited to hear about that. So it is a pretty crowded box office. But yes, I feel like we should have figured out a way to keep this in theaters longer. Because, yeah, I'm also sad that I didn't get a chance to see it in theaters. Because it was great. And I loved it. I'm really glad you guys liked it as well.

And thank you so much for doing such an amazing recap. Yeah, that was amazing. That was so much fun. Thank you so much for having us. Thank you. And wait, can you guys remind everyone where they can find your podcast and plug all the things you're doing? We co-host a podcast called X-Ray Vision that covers nerd culture and nerd pop culture and video games and stuff like that. We're on the iHeart Podcast Network. You can find us wherever you get your podcasts, new episodes, Tuesdays and Thursdays. Ooh, a double twice a week.

Twice a week is like key to all my parasocial podcast relationships. Yeah, currently we're really... Keep it coming. We're digging into that House of the Dragon. Jason's also the co-host of the official House of the Dragon pod. So we're doing House of the Dragon, Acolyte, getting a lot of that. But we've also got some little special episodes. Like we had a Dune episode drop today, a Dune Part 2 episode, kind of talking about that. And we kind of peppering in those little surprise apps here and there.

So it's been really fun. Great. Henley, you got to check out that Dune 2 episode henley loves available right now available right now dune 2 it's my favorite movie wait what are my favorite movies again dune 2 challengers and forgetting sarah marshall that's alectic taste perfect well yes thank you guys again so much for joining us and we close each episode with a voice from the movie oh if only I

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