Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE FURIES with Spooko

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

Beauties, beasts, and a very loose anti-patriarchal message - we're recapping The Furies! We are joined by our good friends Peach and Shag from our sister podcast Spooko to recap what might be our goriest film yet??The Furies is available to stream on SHUDDER DOT COM BABYYY00:00 - Shoutouts03:48 - Episode starts20:10 - Recap starts Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wow. We've got kind of a fun, crazy, different episode for you all this week. That's the word I was looking for is special. Crazy different. Crazy different, cool, special. Before we get to that, we'll tell you what's so special about it. But before we get to that, we've got some very special people who need to be addressed. We've got some very special people who need to be addressed. They need to be named because they are special.

That's right. And to start off, I'm going to name a champion for Actors' Rights, a new one, a new patron. We absolutely love a champion for Actors' Rights. It's an important work. And so thank you to Nicole Rosado Lucio for the very important work that you do we love you forever we love you forever starting right now we love you forever actors love you forever yes and another group that we love forever are the newest members of tony fucking colette's inner circle they are caitlin o sam ostara emily eckloff megan boyd jasmine leland naomi spray and connor young welcome to the circle baby we are happy to have you here we're so thankful for you we love

you unconditionally forever starting now we absolutely do and there are some people who we already loved and they and and they've been named, but they were like, you know what? I want more. I need more. I've got to give more. And we so appreciate it. They have upgraded in the Patreon and they are Carrie Monster and Pig Face Wig Face. I just want to say Pig Face Wig Face. Excellent strategy with your Patreon joining. We have now said your name three times.

And that, what a way to play it. What a way to play it. And we do appreciate it. We appreciate both of you so much. Thank you for everything that you do. We love you forever. And we'll just keep saying those dang names. Yeah, I think Pigface Wigface is going to downgrade, downgrade, upgrade, upgrade, downgrade, downgrade.

I feel like. Really? Just keep it going. Just keep it going. Just sort of keep us on our toes, being involved in any way that you can. And we do so appreciate it. We very much do. And just to give you a little idea of the episode that's coming up, We are going to be having another crossover episode

with our friends at Spooko, a kind of sister podcast in Australia. All the way across the pond. No, that's what you say for a British. All the way across the world. World, world. That was better, right? Yeah, that's better. That's better that's better they're all friends

shag and peach of spooko in australia and um and yeah so it's just a fun little crossover episode um you can check them out at spooko And we've done a few episodes with them before, so maybe you already know. Maybe you're well-versed in the Spooko universe and this crossover is what you've been freaking waiting for. And so in that case, you're in luck. In that case, you're in luck. And if you don't know that this is what you want to hear,

still, I got to say, you're in luck. They're delightful. Like I said, they're from Australia. One of our very favorite accents to do and to hear, and you're gonna hear a lot of it. So,

lucky us and you, and here is this freaking episode. It starts right now. And it starts right freaking episode. It starts right now. And it starts right now. And it starts right now. This is Emily. Henley.

And Sammy. And you're listening to Too Scary. Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Two Spooko Didn't Watch crossover episode. I am Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I like watching scary movies. I'm Peach and I am very much too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Shag and I'm a massive fan of scary movies.

Woo! Yay! We nailed that. An even 50-50 split. Yes. Although I should say I think I'm now in the minority because Em does occasionally watch scary movies. Em, fresh out of The Conjuring 3, how are you feeling? Any nightmares?

No nightmares. It has not stuck with me at all um so maybe i'm incredibly brave and i'm really sorry to leave you behind peach but um i did hear that it wasn't as scary as it as it could have been also like i don't worry that there's a demon trapped in me so that's not really gonna stick with me unless you know some spooky shit starts happening in my apartment but for now not scared you've survived there's a moral in there somewhere for us all i think i feel like the moment they bring in like the bible it stops being scary that's my thing my thing is why are demons only afraid of christianity there are so many other religions there are like why that is truly the catch that gets me every fucking time it's like it only matters if you're catholic that's

insane shag was telling me that that the exorcist in the 70s was essentially a priest recruiting movie that that it sort of worked i was like hey become a priest and you get some magic powers they're gonna help you fight demons this is a true story you would think the vatican would have been against the exorcist but they were actually pro it because they saw a massive uptick in people wanting to join the priesthood because it basically and the same way that the conjuring does it basically pits priests as these superheroes that understand the demonic world and for some reason are the only things that demons are afraid of, like you said. Priests must fucking love these movies.

Actually, that's a good point. If you're a priest, you watch these movies and you're like, fuck. This is my Avengers, man. Yeah, it's like me watching Wonder Woman. Like, yeah. I could do that, yeah. i'm finally represented on screen well educated white men are like oh fucking finally there's a film for us all right well look i

would like to start talking about the film we want to do today purely because it didn't have a wikipedia synopsis so i had to one. And even though the film goes for 80 minutes, like all good horror films should, my synopsis runs for five pages. So I hope we can get through it in this episode. It's so hard. It's very hard to gauge how long the retelling is going to take. And sometimes it is longer than the actual film.

But we'll do our best to speed. I didn't take any notes. So maybe I'll speed us up sammy as an editing professional can i just ask before we get into it we've sort of come to a view that somewhere between 85 and 90 minutes is the perfect length for a film um look editing is your profession is there something magic in that number are you always aiming for like a real neat 86 minutes credits roll sort of sort of scenario um well for if it's a made for tv movie there's like an action it has to be that length because of the commercial breaks

so it needs to be i think it's um 84 minutes but you know nowadays nothing's really made for tv anymore it's all on netflix but yeah that does still seem to be the sweet spot i'd say so today's film is in that weird limbo that i think only exists and i'm putting this out there because i was thinking about this today this only exists for two genres which is both horror and indie comedies with up-and-coming social media stars in that they get a big buzz at film festivals and then they just completely disappear until you see them on stream. Could I get an example of one film that is an indie comedy with an up-and-coming social media star? That one with Claudia O'Doherty where they're ghost hunters in Scotland

and then it turns out, look. I don't know who the court hero told me. But this is my point. Like this movie was nowhere because it wasn't a Marvel movie. So it didn't exist. Anyway, so this is a very, very much like growing to be like a bit of a sort of cult Australian horror. Sammy, I've got to ask because I'm interested in this. I put this to the group in an email.

You know, I suggested a couple of films and one of them, I suggested this film because I was like, I think this is maybe the goriest thing I've ever seen. And straight away you were like, yes, let's do that one. Bring on the gore. Tell me about that response. I feel like we actually don't do a lot of gory movies on our podcast. So I just felt like, why not switch it up? on our podcast. So I just felt like, why not switch it up? And I actually do like gore for the most part. There's some that's a little excessive and this one, you know, wasn't my favorite, but I was just curious. When something is the goriest, I got to know what that means.

I think that's kind of the point I wanted to get to. And, you know, it is this thing that I wonder if it's similar to you guys who don't follow horror films. If somebody, you know, I heard about this film from people reviewing it at, I think, the Sydney Film Festival and saying that the gore was over the top and some of the most brutal you know practical effects so not special effects like not digital effects but practical effects they'd ever seen and as soon as i read that review something inside of me said you're gonna see this at some point and i was even a bit scared to see it but part of me was like you have to see what that looks like i love that you're like the marty mcfly of watching horror films it's like shag you'll be too scared to watch this and you're like no too scared hey i'll go watch that but it's this weird thing where it's like i think it's the thing we've

been trying to get to in the past couple of episodes of spooker where as like a horror fan it's not like i want to see gore but there's something inside of me that's like i want to see how far they're going to push it like i want to see how far they're going to go um and to sammy's point in this film like and it's a it's a cheaply made film like i said they're practical effects so it's probably just paper mache and a lot of jars of raspberry jam i don't know how they make horror effects now but the effects are insane so so today um we like i said we're doing a film from 2019 an australian horror film called the furies i'll watch the trailer dudes oh heck yeah Oh, God. Shh, shh, shh.

Quiet. Are you... Quiet. Who are you? It's a game. There's only one way out. Win. It's like I'm seeing through their eyes. They put these in our heads i think that they're watching oh I look I just saw both peaches and M's reaction to the trailer and I and also hearing Sammy be like it's not my face I'm like I feel kind of bad this is the first time maybe since we did

the human centipede that I'm like I feel bad about bringing this to the pod I'm the opposite like I don't know what you've done to me, but I'm like, cut those fingers off. Let's go. Let's go. So I don't know if you guys primed me for some gore with that earlier chat, but I'm ready. Let's do it.

Gore is still tough for me, but that trailer, it made me wonder. I mean, I guess I don't watch a lot of gore film trailers because we don't do them off on the pod even but like are they allowed to show more in australian trailers because that was gnarly oh man but part of me thinks you know because and and this is something i'm starting to realize as you know we do this podcast that there is there is this great love in the horror genre of practical effects and that's you know just using like arts and craft basically to do things rather than using digital effects you guys both work in film surely you watch a trailer like this and

you're like oh that's just two sausages and some tomato sauce um i mean there's some movies that definitely what was it it was night of the living dead i mean now it's an old film but it's like so clearly sausages that it really makes me laugh no this was i felt like this looked pretty good there were a few parts that looked a little less good but for the most part it got me it felt felt real and it felt gross for me it's like it's still gross yeah like it looks gross whatever it is it looks. Like I don't even know how to see it. That's it. It's like whenever Jamie Oliver's like, don't eat Chicken McNuggets,

they've got like ground up chicken beaks in it. It's like they taste delicious. It doesn't matter what's in there. I'm pro chicken. This is not a pro. Anyway. Anyway, anyway, anyway. So, all right, let's talk about The Furies

because just a couple of interesting things about this film before we go into it. Written and directed by a first-time Australian director called Tony D'Aquino. His name's spelt in the same way Peach's yours is, with a D apostrophe A, which I think probably means he has a lot of trouble any time he has to enter his name into a form online

and they don't allow apostrophes. Yeah, I use my wife's name to like order takeaway food and stuff like that. It's like, yeah, done. It's good. It works well. Does it show up with like a bunch of like symbol, like asterisk, a sign?

Yeah, you get it sometimes. It's good. But like this might have been a first time director of the film. I think it was also a first time trailer producer because that trailer just gave away the entire plot of the film. I'm like, yep, cool, I've now seen the film. To be fair, it doesn't. And one of the reasons I wanted to do this,

I think it's actually an interesting story. And it comes from the fact that the director, like a lot of, I think, you know, first-time horror directors are just massive fans of horror cinema so it feels like now every new horror film is a is a homage to horror as a genre and this is definitely that right so he was a big fan of the whole final girl trope and he was like okay well what if i had heaps of final girls and heaps of mich Myers chasing after them and we put them all together. What would happen? And, like, Leatherface too, it reminds me.

Like, very Texas Chainsaw. So what's interesting about that is, and we'll try to speak to them as we go through, all of those big killers that we'll talk about in this film, each one is an homage to a different horror film. So there's a leather face. There's one, there's some classic ones. There's like Motel Hell or someone I don't understand from the 70s

that I'm not deep enough into horror to get. But there's all of these different montages all the way through. And I think the other thing that I quite like about this film is, especially when you watch 80s slashers, there's this really uncomfortable, like, sexualisation of everything. Like, there's a lot of sort of, like, nudity and a lot of nude slashed bodies. And in this film, he's like, I wanted to, like, take that up.

Like, right down to the costumes, I wanted it to just look like, like, especially, like, the women in this are just looking like they're wearing normal clothes. Like, there's no, which I think like gives it this interesting tone that is quite starkly different to like often when people try to do homages to like 80s slashers. Yeah, the main actress is in just like a bulky sweater and she was great, I thought.

I thought she was really good. Hopefully this movie avoids that meta risk of like i feel like it's too easy to be like just winking and nodding to influences for an entire film and then it turns out you're watching shrek but the horror but the horror movie version like i'm i'm sort of on alert for an uber meta sort of film that kind of just ends up eating itself with its own self-referentialness. It's not that, but I will say that I work with a couple of, like at the moment, you know, in the ad world,

like the Khan things on, and I work with a couple of people who judge Khan stuff, and they sort of led us into a couple of case studies where it's like they start really promising, like the big, the worst thing, they start really promisingly and they don't know us into a couple of case studies where it's like they start really promisingly, like the worst thing, they start really promisingly and they don't know what to do with it. This film is one of those ones where I'm like, wow, if someone who was a little bit more seasoned remade it,

it could be an amazing like miniseries or something. I feel like there's a lot of meat to this. Like, Sam, I don't know what you thought. Like, what were your thoughts about this before we go into it? I, I mean, was just mostly very grossed out and but no i agree it was like a fun kind of mystery uh had a good mystery element to it which i like um where you're kind of trying to figure it out as it goes and yeah i'm now i'm thinking more about what i may have missed in the references and i always think that's kind of fun of like when you can re-watch something and see something you didn't

catch the first time there must be some hills have eyes references in there too felt like maybe saw like the thing about like it's a game you have to figure it out like that that is reminiscent to me of that i'm like to be honest like one of my favorite horror sub genres is the deadliest game where humans are hunted for some reason i'm i'm very yeah attracted to that genre i think it's really fun all right okay so so let's do this because this is this let's see if we can get through this um it starts on like proper spooky titles this is another question i think is really interesting like yellow for some reason it's titles is scary like it's a

bold yellow title and i'm like oh i'm on edge straight away it's from probably from isn't the shining yellow i feel like the shining poster is yellow but also i recognize this font and it's gonna drive me crazy forever so if anybody out out there knows what other movie this font was used in, please tell me. Hey, look, just a bit of design thing. Create your own font. Don't just take a font from Word and put it in there. Like, I know, like, just take one, tweak it.

Like, yeah, anyway. Anyway, that is my design brain work. Like, to be fair, everyone's an amateur typographer now. Like, lawyers are like oh did you you know invest in some new like custom fonts for your firm and stuff like it's it's really fucked but like isn't isn't isn't the rule that yellow is for horror and lime green is for aliens and sort of you're being coded with like hey guys got some horror coming up for you it's yellow that's the rule and then blue is for superhero and red's for, like, thriller.

I've never heard this rule. I was kidding. I like it. I'm making it up as I go. Especially those last two that I just pulled out of nowhere. I'm going to be on the lookout, though. I'll be on high alert. Let's do it.

Let's do it. Yeah, but now I'm like, but what's, like, a gentle, like, tragedy comedy starring Ben Affleck's brother? Like, what's that? Whatever that Instagram filter that was famous, it was six years ago Black and white Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cool

Anyway, okay, alright, the film starts with like that, I don't know who started I don't know if you guys like if Sammy you know where the original Christopher Nolan I think it was, I mean it certainly was popularized by inception so it starts with one of those because every movie has to now to let you know that you're

in for some shit uh and we see a scared woman in again in like just regular clothes right but it's weird because it's in the middle of the bush and this is proper this is bushland it was shot outside of canberra which is the australian national capital if you don't know um uh which is a very stark dry weird part of the world where it gets really hot in summer and really cold in winter and this bush it looks like dead bushland that doesn't look like there's any grass on the ground the trees look mostly dead i wonder if it was shot in a bushland that had been ravaged by bushfires at some point. That's the vibe I get from it.

The Wikipedia page would have helped, but yeah, it makes life tough. There's none. That's it. And IMDB is impossible to, like, its UI is terrible. So, we see a scared woman in normal clothes running through, chased by a scary figure with a scythe like a proper like grim reaper scythe she collapses to the ground with a gross leg wound and we get like a really close look at the gross leg wound just so we know straight from the start we're gonna go we're gonna see cool foreshadowing now scary guy now he's wearing a big jumpsuit and he's wearing a scary mask he's about to kill her

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and carry her off like a sort of damsel in distress which is a weird way to start right and straight away goes okay this isn't going to be exactly what you think it is uh we then go to the real titles that uses old school computer graphics hinting at the idea that this is some sort of a game and someone's watching us. What was it called? The House on the Hill? The Joss Whedon one? Yeah, that's where my head's at here. Yep.

Your head's in the right place then. Yeah, okay. Let's do it. So maybe it's derivative of that as well. Fucking congratulations. Where's an original idea? Timmymy blogsy whatever your name is jason de alba but but okay so so the worst scene in the whole film by far is the opening scene where that's great you want to start off that way. Start weak and build from there.

Can only get better. But it is bad because it's like in this scene, it's like how can we cram all the backstory possible into a really forced conversation between two characters. So we're in some random Australian city in an underpass. We hear traffic in the background to be like, this is like a busiest area. And two characters are spray painting fuck patriarchy in a train underpass. Sick.

Let's do it. In the conversation that happens while they're spraying this motif, they reveal that there's two characters. There's a future hero, Kayla, who, you know, you've seen from the trailers and is, to Sam's point, is just wearing, like, a baggy jumper and some, like, crappy, like, day jeans, not even, like, going out jeans. But you're really going in on the wardrobe on this film, Jack. I just, I can't, I can't stress enough how weird it is watching a film where people are just wearing, like, normal clothes.

Like, honestly, this film is, is like if you go to a suburban like Australian, I guess, shopping centre, not even on a Saturday, on like a Wednesday afternoon, these are the outfits people are wearing. Like it is genuinely interesting to watch. Anyway, so except for one character, and Sam, you probably know who's kind of a bit annoying and it's an annoying characterization.

A Saturday mall person. But anyway, so there's these two characters. Kayla's the future hero and a friend, Maddie. Now, Maddie is sick of looking after Kayla because Kayla's too scared to experience the real world. She doesn't want to spray paint on the wall, which is what really pisses Maddie off. She's like, come on.

Let loose. Live a little. You're so scared. But this is the best part. She's too scared to do stuff because she has epilepsy. And Maddie's like, stop using your epilepsy as an excuse to not live.

Maddie seems like a bad friend right off the bat. Epilepsy shaming as well. Look, it's a weird moment. Anyway, but like I said, that's the worst scene of the film. We're done. They have a fight and both storm off. But they're both captured by spooky men who we can't see who shove them into vans. We then cut to a sort of dream

like sequence that only goes for like 20 30 seconds where we're in some sort of a doctor surgery we see just close-ups um is it is it an is it a narrow depth of field where most things are out of focus but some things are in focus um like we see sort of like scalpels and like blood but just a lot of it's out of focus yeah we see close-ups of um kayla's eye and like a blood tear coming out of it like a blood tear like okay cool medical horror is not okay yeah i agree worst so kayla wakes up inside a box in the middle of the bush where a flashing light above her, like with a flashing light above her. So she's inside this box, but we know it's in the middle of the bush because a big drone

shot goes up and goes, this box is in the middle of nowhere. And there's this flashing light above her and a high-pitched squeal that causes her intense distress. The squeal eventually stops, the box opens, and she jumps out out of breath, scared. No one is around. Like I said before, everything looks dead, and the box has the word beauty written on it with a number.

I think she's beauty number six. Six, mm-hmm. She looks around for Maddie, but freaks out when, instead of finding Maddie, she finds a corpse of one of the men and it's probably the man from the start who gets killed by the so that was like beast three or something fucking congratulations now she's screaming

out for Maddie when jump scare two girls Alice and Sheena confront her with a jump sorry I've just written this but it's that classic technique where it's like we've already seen some Alice and Sheena confront her with a jump scare. Sorry, I've just written this. Confront her with a jump scare. But it's that classic technique where it's like we've already seen some gore, but then it's like, well, no, it's just your friend being like, what's going on?

Yeah, it's total fake out. Just out here spray painting some stuff. No, no, this is two different girls. So this is Alice and Sheena, hand on mouth, tell her to be quiet and not to alert whoever put us here. Because Kayla's being like, help, help, Maddie. And they're like, shh, don't't do it like there's scary people around so they ask if she has a phone but she's got nothing on her at this point kayla's like oh fuck runs back to the box checks for something and realizes she doesn't have her epilepsy pills which will be a plot device moving forward she has it she at point, she does have a fit.

And a thing that happens when she has a fit, she starts having these glitches where all of a sudden it looks like she can see through the eyes of one of these killers. So she has a fit and she can see like almost like a video game-y sort of watching someone walking forward. And she can see that the person she's watching through is carrying an axe. She wakes up and one of the girls, Sheena, has run off and the other one, Alice, stayed with her. Kayla asks if Alice can remember anything. And at this point, each of them gets a bit of a backstory. Alice's character's revealed she was about to steal a car when she was jumped by some

scary dudes. That's as much as her backstory gets. Kayla's like, do you remember an operating theatre and whether they did anything to your eyes? Alice cannot. Yeah, surely you're under general anaesthetic at this stage or you're under... But it's also... Yeah, hang on. Yeah, okay.

But I think that's a fair thing. It's like, you know, when you get out of an operation and you can kind of remember it, but it almost feels dreamlike. No, but i'd say i'll accept that it's true so that's fine um i've never been under anesthetic so yeah oh okay it's um i as a teenager i was and then i had to get a lecture from the doctor afterwards because apparently when i was coming out of it i was like this is awesome i want to do this all the time he's like red red flag flag. Give him the talk.

I did the same thing on morphine. I got my shoulder dislocated and they put it back in. I was like, this is sick. Yeah. And popped it straight back out again. I get it, Shag. It's the dangers. The dangers of opioids.

All right. So, at this point, Kayla's like, oh, fuck, Maddie. Yes, we've got to go find Maddie. Alice says, no, like, let's not look for your friend. Let's just get out. It's kind of every person for themselves now. Kayla's like, why did you stay with me? And at this point, this is probably the most Australian bush thing ever.

Alice uses a pigging metaphor. She's like, have you ever been pigging? And Kayla's like, obviously, is protected and has never left her hometown because of her epilepsy. It's like, no, I've never been pigging and kayla's like obviously is protected and has never left her hometown because of her epilepsy is like no i've never been pigging and it's like well you uh you i think i'm trying to remember it's like you you let a couple run because the the the weakest one is the one that gets caught it's yeah basically like the concept of i i don't have to run like super fast. I just have to run faster than you type of thing. Yes.

That's what it is. That's so good. And pig is hunting for pigs? Hunting for wild pigs, yeah. Great. Yeah. I also have been sheltered and never left my hometown because of my epilepsy. So I had never done that either.

At this point, they see Axeman, who's the person Kayla was in the head of before. So they hide behind another box and this box has beast number, et cetera, written on it. At this point, Kayla has another fit. Alice decides to run, leading Axeman away from Kayla. He throws the axe at her. So he takes it and like, and it's like a proper like wood axe. So he has to use two hands, throws it, misses her um hits a tree right next to her she takes it out tries to attack him but he catches it turns it on her and and i literally just right here i mean oh my god um it's that

like when when uh the killer's like trying to push the knife in your eye and you're pushing it away that's what's happening with the axe and she's slowly getting sliced with an axe right in her face. It's very slow. I think of an axe as being like a more

blunt blade than others. Well it's not slicing through. he is very hard yeah so this is like this is actually i think this might be the worst thing i've ever seen in the film and and and is also like it kind of it also does look a bit fake like when you're watching it you're like that's just a mask and At the end, it looked pretty fake. In the beginning, I feel like it looked gross. But then, yeah, the further in it goes, some funky things happen. So just to explain, like she pushes her face on the side to go away from it.

So he is holding the axe to the side of her face and just slowly cuts her whole face off, revealing just like a bloody, like it's's just and it goes for like 30 seconds it goes for so long like it and the camera does not pull away and you were just like what the fuck right okay so that anyway so that happens ax man then here's another scream and goes off in that direction kayla wakes up no one is around runs to alice's body finds her dead this is a really interesting shot choice as well because at this point the camera only catches alice's reaction and we see from behind sorry kayla's reaction and we see from behind alice's head

and it's like why are you not showing it now like you showed us everything before but she's basically just like oh fuck this is. So she runs and finally makes it to a clearing. And I think it's that lake outside of, you know, that giant lake outside of Canberra. I think it's called Lake Eyre. The dry lake, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the dry lake. So it's there, right?

And so it's just like, it's just horizon for the, like flatland and horizon, you know, for wherever you look. She makes a run for it when she notices another one of those squealing lights and, in fact, a border of those squealing lights all the way, you know, like down the horizon that makes her, like, collapse in agony and she has to crawl back into the sort of game area. She sits down to catch her breath when she hears a scream and there's another girl running towards her, begging for help,

being chased by axe man now this is suicide squad like which we've already covered like two other times with um like originality is overrated right like everything has been done before but i do think you need to make some attempt to try to do something different yeah i don I don't know. I love how immediately you hate this movie. I'm just not there. I'm not about it. I love the preview. The preview was great.

That's all you needed. Yeah. And now this is too much. Okay, so Axeman throws the axe straight into her back. This time she hits. This time he hits. She stumbles, lets out like this awful scream where she's just like, what, this is too much, and falls.

He approaches her to make the death blow, but he stops, looks at Kayla and gives this wave, like a hey there wave sort of thing, and not a scary one, like a hey. And then it's a weird moment she just kind of waves back uh yeah at this point sammy were you like um what i just this moment just really made me laugh no i was on board no further questions he pulls the axe out stands above the unnamed woman prepares to kill her but. But then another man, Sickle Man. So this man has a sickle.

He doesn't have overalls. He has like a whole suit of skin. And he kind of, he's a bit of a Texas Chainsaw Massacre sort of looking guy. I have to describe him further because he's definitely the grossest one to me. He is wearing a suit of skin, like entirely on the top half. Like it's like a button up,up well stitched up laced up skin suit but then on the bottom half it splits open and he's not wearing like the leg part of the skin but the leg skin is still there but it's just tied to his legs just like so there are

empty skin flaps dank like tied to his legs it's so gross it's like the most disgusting costume design I've ever seen now Emily you're an artisan and a craftsperson and a costume designer have you ever worked with skin I guess is question one I have not

no I have not worked with skin leather I guess would be the analogy leather would be the analogy. Leather would be, yeah. I wonder if it's similar. Probably. Fun fact, on this season of The Bachelorette,

one of the contestants' job is listed as skin salesman. Well, he got Sammy not anymore because he was a night one guy So goodbye Jeff Goodbye Jeff But I will be contacting him Yes I was going to say that so you can reach out to him For your skin needs Did Jeff drink too much on the first Cocktail party or

It was just a bit of a weirdo No he was too weird He brought his RV And Oh she didn't like that weird he was too weird he was too weird he he brought his rv and and just it was he oh he she didn't like that he he ate celery in front of her salary in his rv and but it like what that that makes it sound more fun and like a character than it was it was just like it didn't work didn't and it didn't work and he went home i feel like the producers on that show uh like uh the most

influential work i'm just so so glad they use their evil powers just to make interesting television. I hope I never meet one. The puppet masters. Yep. Yeah. So I'll be like, hey, Peach, do you know what you should do? And I'll be like, oh, I'll drive my RV and eat some celery. It'll be great.

So Skin Sickle Man, you're right, like he is absolutely gross. And I do love the fact that there was a lot of care to the top half and then they're like, you know what, just tie those legs. That's a lot of work. That was him, yeah, getting too lazy. So they proceed to have a fight. Kayla takes this opportunity to rescue the girl, drags her back into the woods.

She asks, what's your name? The girl says, Sally. She says, Sally, don't worry. Like, I know you have, like, it's fine. We'll get you out. It's not far now. We cut back to Sickle Man and Axeman having a fight. Sickle Man gets the upper hand, pokes Axeman's eyes out,

then slashes him seemingly to death. Kayla and Sally are back into the woods. Sally can't keep going. She's been are back into the woods. Sally can't keep going. She's been axed in the back. Like, which is fair enough. My God. I was very impressed that she kept going. As I know from Adele in the past, like, if you want to get, like,

if you want to get into, like, a horror movie, it's a lot better to be, like, knifed or axed than to be shot. If you're shot, you're probably going to die. Knifed or axed, it takes a lot better to be like knifed or axed than to be shot. If you're shot, you're probably going to die. Knife or ax, it takes a lot of like cuts and stabs before, you know, it actually hits something. I'm sorry, I know this, but it's like you can survive an ax wound basically, which is crazy, but you can. Good to know.

Good to know. So Sally asked Kayla, do you believe in magic in the Furies? Now, I didn't know who the Furies were outside of an old, I think, Irish folk band. But they're a trio of ancient Greek goddesses who are essentially the goddesses of retribution and revenge, I think. So what's the question? Do you believe that these goddesses of retribution exist?

Look, again, like I said, if someone with a bit more experience had spent a bit more time on the script, I would have, this is a really, it's an interesting moment that never comes up again. But she's like, do you believe in the Furies? And Kayla's like, what are you talking about? And she's like, may the goddesses protect you. This is back of the envelope stuff this is this is i i'm not excited about this movie i feel like that sorry i'm going sammy go

sorry no no you go peach i i want to hear this i feel like that the director and script writer has friends who are not good friends in that they refuse to do him the service or give him the gift of genuine feedback i feel like he's surrounded by yes men who are excited to be in his universe but do not have the courage or the genuine friendship to sit down and say these are very interesting ideas you need to go away and come back in six weeks having thought them through properly. That is what I would expect a friend to do, and I now pity this poor screenwriter and director for not having the group of close confidants, friends, and mentors to be able to help her,

him, them through this process. It's a heartbreaking story. It's heartbreaking. It's absolutely heartbreaking. So Kayla hides Sally in a tree trunk. Sickle Man is now stalking through the bush and we think he's on Kayla's trail

but he's actually just found Sally. He pulls her out of the tree. He pulls her up so she's sitting upright with her back to a tree. Goes behind the tree. Pulls both her arms and then off camera we hear him pull her arms off. It's nasty.

Breaks her like a little twig. Snaps those arms. It does break her like a little twig. It's really, really gross. Like this film pulls no punches. So every time I'm like, oh, that's as far as they're going to go, it's like, oh, no, they went further. film pulls no punches so every time i'm like oh that's as far as they're gonna go it's like oh no they went further so we we go back to kayla uh and she hears a scream and then there's a jump scare

and this time there is a bad guy behind her this time it's a new one it's pig man he's wearing a pig mask and he's carrying a machete they have a scuffle she gets the upper hand and grabs the machete and she starts sort of swinging it at him. But all of a sudden he stops. We hear a whirring sound and then his head just explodes. What's this now? What is this now? Now Kayla runs back to Sally. And again, I was like, oh, they're not going to show her body with her arms torn off.

And maybe it was too hard to show the arms being torn off. I think that's the case. I think it was expensive to show the arms being torn off you just get a before and after so we then discover the corpse and i actually think this is this might actually be worse than the face i like that each thing is just gonna be like actually this might be the worst part but how did you feel about this shot because i thought it was pretty i don't know that it was grosser than the axe face. Although, to be fair, the axe face looked more fake, I guess.

Yeah, this looked real. And there's just so much blood in this one. There's just, like, the ground was red. It was like they did not scrimp, which is a bit more realistic. There'd be a lot more blood in all of these. Anyway, so she keeps going machete in hand, and I wrote at this point, we are 30 minutes into the film. Oh, so she keeps going machete in hand and I wrote at this point, we are 30 minutes into the film.

Oh, Christ. She comes across an old town. Now, did they do this thing when you guys were in primary school where they take you to like an old-timey mining town as like a history excursion? Yep. So the town she finds is basically that. It's one of those like come come and visit old timey Australia

where people, and, you know, conveniently no mention of the massacres of the Aboriginal people as well. It's just like, there were just white people. This is what life is like. So she finds a map and sees there's a gold mine there. She begins to explore. She goes inside one of the shacks. She hears a sound behind her, turns around,

takes a swing with her machete, and accidentally slashes another girl straight in the neck, killing her. And this moment. Gosh, pull one out. Uh-oh. Pull one out for beauty number eight. Oh, that's it. You're right.

That's from The Descent. That's right. Sammy. At this point, because that's one of your favorite films, right? Were you just like, shit,'s from The Descent Sammy At this point because that's one of your favourite films right Were you just like shit yeah The Descent I mean I think if you're gonna You know borrow from other films You gotta throw The Descent in there why not

Nice But if we can just link up Sammy The Descent is the film that on that big Horror movie weekend you had at uni That got horror under your skin You were like oh yeah this yeah, this is my thing. The one that started it all. Yes, that's right.

It's a great film. So at this point, Sheena, you might remember, ran off at the start. She appears with another girl. They see her with blood in her hands. Kayla says, please stay with me. She has another fit. Sheena takes the machete for from her and leaves leaving the other girl kayla glitches sees the gold mine and sees through the eyes of another scary man

who's hiding her friend maddie and he's hiding her in a shack near the gold mine so she's like okay i know where maddie is she wakes up to the other girl staying with her her character is revealed and this character i hated so much rose sammy do you want to explain Rose a little bit? She looks like an adult woman who is acting like a 10-year-old and is just very childlike, and she seems very scared, but just also seems like an adult. So it's like, okay, we're in a pretty good serious situation here you need to fucking get up to speed and she's just like are we gonna be friends are you my friend and kayla is very sweet to her and comforts her and you know it looks scary because kayla has just

murdered a woman and she's like that was an accident i swear like i would never do that to you and she's like okay rose is like okay good because we're friends right like i will never leave you either it's just um yeah very interesting dynamic here yeah her one line of characterization is at one point she's like mommy said uh she was a better teacher than all the teachers so i had to be homeschooled so it's kind of homeschool shaming as well really i'm actually look and this is fairly controversial even within like my family i'm fairly down for some homeschool shaming i'm about that shaming i'm about that homeschool shaming i mean that's how you get people who are scared of vaccinations and believe in QAnon. I think, like, I think personally. But anyway, so, okay, so.

It's on the soul. Kayla? Sorry, just to do like, it's on the, you know, there are some wonderful homeschooling parents and wonderful homeschooling children around the place. But I do think it does, if you restrict the number of influences you have on your view of the world, I think it leads to an increased likelihood that you're receptive to ideas like that so at this point kayla you know with rose is like i've got an idea and with the dead girl who she's

just killed she decides to cut out the eyeball of the dead girl to find out what's going on and discovers an implant behind it at this point there are some she was right can you imagine let's pull out her eye and then it leads to nothing like okay well that was a huge that was a huge thing i mean look devil's advocate they're already dead you just you just for sure i wouldn't want to take their eye out, but yes, she's not suffering. Yeah, nothing gained, nothing earned, I reckon. So she discovers an implant behind it. And at this point, there are some pretty bad digital effects where there's like sparking electricity.

It looks a bit cheap, but it looks like a plug. I don't use it anymore, but it looks like a plug-in that you could get from Final Cut Pro that would be like, add electrical effects. Like, I don't use it anymore, but it looks like a plug-in that, like, you could get from, like, Final Cut Pro that would be, like, add electrical effects. Right, right, right, right. Yes. And it's probably that exact one. Yeah.

Nice. Yeah, it's like they didn't even search. They just went for the first one. It's like how you can pretend you're Michael Bay by making everything look green and orange in Final Cut. It's nice. Yeah. Filters are go-go.

Okay. So, we have another flashback to the operating room where this time we see a bit more clearly. There's a doctor who puts on a VR mask, and we realize then that they can see through the girl's eyes through these VR masks. We then cut to the spooky control room for a second where we see a figure from behind and like 10 screens in front of him.

And at this point we can see that there's somebody watching and they're controlling and they're watching through everybody's eyes, both the beauties and the beasts. Okay, so at this point another spooky man appears. This time it's Babyface, so he's wearing like a baby mask. And he does that thing. I don't know how to describe it on a podcast, but you know that thing that they make scary characters do where they just slowly tilt

their head on the surface i think you described it perfectly that's exactly right where is that from do you know where that's from originally i don't know but it feels like it's very unsettling it's been a trope for a long time i feel like that's probably goes back quite a while was it originally accompanied by a wagging finger i. I feel like that probably goes back quite a while. Was it originally accompanied by a wagging finger? I sort of feel like it was the villain in Terminator 2 was like a very early one of the

head tilt of the... Yeah, anyway. Could be. And it also could not be and I could be totally wrong, so apologies for disarming that. That's our vibe. We might be right, could be totally wrong so apologies for hey that's our that's our vibe we might be right we might be wrong who cares we're gonna say we're throwing up shit at the wall we'll see we'll see anyway anyway so babyface is now in in the picture there's a bang on the door but it's she comes in with a machete because there's two more men coming kayla explains that they're being

tracked via their eyes, which is actually pretty cool deductions, I reckon, in the heat of the moment, and says, why us? And then at this point, I don't know if this is meant to have, like, a broader societal point, but Sheena says this iconic line. She's like, because it's a fucked up world full of fucked up men. I mean, yeah. Fair fair sickle man appears uh he does a scary thing where he's dragging his sickle around the corrugated iron of the shack it's corrugated

iron as bigger thing outside of australia i feel like everywhere in the country it's corrugated iron everywhere that sort of like wavy metal that you put on roofs um i feel like it probably is out in the country here too um but yeah and it drags also along the windows ew i hated this the like the noise like it'll go like clack clack clack on the metal and then like on the windows it's very intimidating and unsettling and i feel like that was really good sound design again because it's like surely that's not an easy thing to capture well so they used their budget that was i saved money on that final cut effect put it into this sound i'm coming around to this movie now there's great sound design that's good this is what i mean it's like there's definitely something to it anyway so he breaks in uh they're all hiding but he hears a He drags Rose out, but he conspicuously doesn't kill her because he can't see her face.

And he's trying to kill her face, but she's hiding her face. The girls fight back and push him outside and close the door. They have a moment of calm. They realize that there are beauties and there are beasts. And they're trying to work out why the man didn't kill Rose. And they realize that all the men have to save one of the girls, and if their girl dies, their head explodes. And so now the game is starting to be revealed.

And I'm like, this is kind of a cool game and kind of a cool, like a sort of newish premise. So they're pairs essentially. Yes, right, right. So there's that weird dynamic. At this point, there's a standoff between kayla and sheena because sheena thinks it's now everyone for themselves now that they know that you know once yeah yeah she knows and this is i would i would not have gone there this part stressed me

out because i wouldn't have put this together fast enough but sheena yeah realizes that it's easier to kill the women than it is to kill the men and if you kill a woman the man's head explodes i was just like oh fuck yeah how fucked is that because it's like to kill the women than it is to kill the men. And if you kill a woman, the man's head explodes. I was just like, oh, fuck. Yeah, how fucked is that? Because it's like you kill two people in that scenario. Yeah, okay. And so she is certain that they are going to try to kill her,

that they're all going to try to kill each other, whereas Kayla and Rose are like, no, we're not going to do that. And so Sheena is just the wild card here, that they're like, okay, Sheena's not our friend anymore. So Kayla and Rose are like fuck okay they make a run for it from it away from sheena who still has the machete they hide in another building uh and unbeknownst to them babyface sees them and goes after them kayla convinces rose to help her find maddie and when they think the coast is clear they crawl out like a hole on the side of this building. Kayla first, Rose follows but gets annoyingly stuck on some wire and it kind of sucks because it's like I don't understand

how she could have possibly crawled through this large-ish hole and at some point caught herself. But then she's the baby infantile character so it kind of makes sense. Kayla turns back to help just as sickle man comes into the shack and starts pulling rose back out now he's obviously not going to kill rose until he can see her face so there's like a bit of a tug of war between kayla and sickle man to get rose meanwhile baby face appears coming to try and kill kayla and kayla's like fuck okay well i can't keep pulling you just hide your face and I'll come and save you.

So she hides her face. Sickle Man pulls Rose back into the shack. She runs in, in the distraction, Rose grabs Sickle Man's sickle and cuts off his fingers, like just slices them right off. We saw that. That was satisfying. And now we get to maybe actually the grossest part of this whole thing.

So Kayla approaches Sickle Man with his weapon, but he grabs her and jams his bloody stumps into her mouth. Oh, I forgot about this part. This is for sure the grossest part. This is definitely the grossest part. He shoves it in her mouth, but it's as if he's trying to kill her that way, as if he's trying to like punch through her. So he puts his whole bloody stump fist in her mouth.

Ew, ew, ew, ew. It's so gross. Oh my God, I forgot about it. I blocked that out already. I completely forgot about that part. Oh God. I will never forget that scene. So Rose hacks his legs.

He lets go. Kayla, because it's like an old timey like working town, she grabs a giant corkscrew, screws it into Sickle Man, he falls to the ground, and then starts screwing it into her to finally kill Sickle Man. Baby Face then shows up at the door and Kayla screams, come on, she's got this thing. They've just killed one of them.

She's covered in blood from the hand that was bleeding into her mouth. That's right. They look gnarly and she's just like fucking come on then and he runs off but not before he does another head tilt like he comes in he's like head tilt and then runs off so kayla sees sheena at this point make a run for it. Chase is after with Rose because he realizes that she's going for Maddie and she doesn't want Sheena to kill Maddie. So gives Chase and confronts her. Sheena wants to kill all of the girls to survive and approaches Kayla with her weapon. Meanwhile, Babyface at this point captures Rose

and Rose is like, help me, help me. But Kayla's in a standoff with Sheena and she can't move. Babyface at this point captures Rose and like Rose is like, help me, help me. But Kayla's in a standoff with Sheena and she can't move. And so Rose is like, why aren't you helping me? And meanwhile, Babyface is like trying to stab Rose and Rose is fighting it off. Then Sheena all of a sudden now is like a dickhead and is like, Kayla, aren't you going to save Rose? Like what? Like why are you now mean?

But she's mean. And at this point, there's something changes in Kayla's face, and she's like, yes, I am. We cut to behind Sheena. Axeman hasn't been killed yet. Raises his axe. This made me on rewatch go, oh, I totally forgot. And chops Sheena's head in half from behind right through that stuff yeah okay uh at this point baby face's head explodes and rose is now

free kayla says to axe man you are my beast and he does a whole like almost like a bit of a it's kind of a curtsy like it's it's a bit of a like it's like nice to meet you it is it really is he the one that had waved to her before yes yes yes yes and he doesn't have eyes but he somehow made it back to her to save her he puts a hand out as a bit like m'lady. She takes his axe, swings it straight into his stomach, and he dies on the ground. Okay. At this point, Rose is angry at Kayla because she thinks she didn't help her,

but they still go after Maddie. At this point, we see our final scary man, Birdman, who's got an owl face with a pitchfork watching from a distance. He wears three Rolexes on each arm as well. Yeah, it's Birdman. That's a very funny joke. a pitchfork watching from a distance. He wears three Rolexes on each arm as well. But, yeah, it's Birdman. But I also think like- That's a very funny joke. That's an extremely funny joke.

But I think this is a bit of a Somerset, Wicker Man sort of English folk horror reference. Like the owl face and the pitchfork. Anyway, there's this this moment there's another moment where i'm like what did that mean i don't know kayla she's like they can hear us and they can see us so i'm going to share a secret with you and she writes a secret into rose's palm and she's like did you get that and rose is like yeah and as far as i know they don't go into this ever again it's used once more but it's never revealed what that means i had the same thought of like okay cool trick a real see a true secret we don't know it's a literal secret

it's the fucking pulp fiction suitcase which ruined a thousand art films after um but anyway so they they find maddie in the shack maddiedie's like, it turns out that Maddie, who was like, you have to be braver, was the coward all along. She's like, I should have looked for you. And Rose is like, yeah, because you're a coward and not a real friend. And then Rose is like, and then Rose gets a bit jealous about like Kayla and Maddie's friendship. So she's like, tell Maddie about all the women you've killed so far.

And then, and then there's this call back to the start where maddie says something to her where she's like break the rules or be broken and so kayla says to maddie break the rules or be broken i had to kill a bunch of people you know some some innocent women as well so rose is like okay i'm done with your like making up where's the escape kayla's like through the mine and maddie's like uh look Where's the escape Kayla's like through the mine And Maddie's like ah look there's no escape And it turns out that the mine's been filled in And there's this moment of like

Oh fuck we're not getting out Our man then appears Kayla's like There's three of us we've killed more of these dudes We can do it But then Kayla has another fit So Rose decides to Slip maddie's throat and it's another pretty gross moment and at this point our man's head explodes and i i wrote here my note was rose is ruthless

and she really is so kayla wakes up and she's being held by the now dead, the now slit throat Maddie. And she just screams. Rose explains, I saved you. And what do we do now? And Kayla's like, now what are you talking about? My best friend's dead. Like, like nothing. There's nothing like that's it.

I'm done. Like, there's nothing. And Rose is really impatient. And she's like, what? The games are like, we've still got to escape. You were going to help me. And Kayla's like, just leave us alone. And says, I should have let you die.

At this point, Rose screams, you said friends stick together, just like Sammy was saying before. And then runs off screaming, like, runs off going like, ah! Ah! Ah! Seems ill-advised. Kayla. So, at this point Kayla leaves Makes it to the border

And Cuts her eye out to escape And They again they spend probably a minute on this scene Like they don't let us go They're like no it would be very hard I don't think I could cut my eye out Even after going through all of this

I think you faint I think I'd be the Maddie here. Yeah. I think you'd pass out. Yeah. That'd be really, yeah, I don't know. She tears off a squeal light and takes it with her. Night falls.

The camera cuts to all the corpses and Rose, who is still alive. And then the screen transitions to, we're not the movie now, we're the screen seeing Rose. And even though this is an Australian film, for some reason, it needs to be an English voice to be spooky. And it's like, prepare winner for next match. So, and you would think that's the end, right? But that is not the end.

So, we then cut to a guy in a fancy home who's watching that face kill with a vr headset but just as we're about to see the face come off for a second time it glitches he throws the headset off and he calls up like customer support and he's basically like these replays are bullshit and again he's in a like it's this it's an australian voice so it's like this is all happening in australia and there's a voice on the phone that's like as a founding member you are entitled to bonus material and we and you know that there's a moment where he's basically on tech support being like hey i'm trying to watch these people get killed and the experience is bad at this point kayla appears she's wearing dark glasses and she tasers him she grabs the headset and she knows his name she's like derrick who gave you this and he tries to bargain with her

she says you own the company you can't play dumb he's like i own a lot of companies uh and he's and she's like well you've got to be more careful uh and i should explain he's now tied up naked in a chair in his lounge room he's like i tried to cancel my membership and you can't like like once you're in you're in she's like i don't care i want names he's like well mike fallon he's in my phone he knows all the other founding members kayla then asks maddie who's now a ghost this is unnecessary is what this is this is Unnecessary is what this is This is so She's like should we believe him Maddie doesn't really say

Anything and he continues to So this is like the next little palm So she also writes something in the palm But again we don't know what it is Yeah and it's a ghost Writing in her palm now like what the hell What are the rules here She's hallucinating the ghosts.

Yeah. Yeah, she is, right? Because he's like, well, who are you talking to? What are you bloody talking about? This is bloody crazy. So anyway, so he's like, his final bargaining chip is no one has to know you're still alive. But because she tore out her eye, the system thinks she's dead. And she's like, oh, they'll find out soon enough.

Cut to black. We hear him getting tortured. And that is the end of the Furies. She's out for revenge. Em. Em. Peach, what did you think? I'm interested.

I feel like I agree with what you said at the top shag that like it this could have been really cool i i'm like interested in what this filmmaker intended to say yeah with this movie i don don't know that it was said but I would like to know what the intention was because I feel like there was a lot there that maybe didn't make it.

Didn't come across. It feels like a strong first draft like getting back to my earlier criticism. he needs friends friends friendship i think the villain is loneliness in this film that's the real that's the real villain um there's something here and and also i should say i do think it takes courage to not end on a cliffhanger i think it takes courage if you're telling a particularly like a weird horror story

to sit down and be like, oh, the entire thing is it's a group of blokes who started a company that is VR watching people murdering each other. I think it's always too easy to be like, we never found out what was going on. So I admire having a crack at going and explaining that. But this is a- To Em's point though though because i do think it

was trying to say something sam do you have any idea what you think he was trying to say my feeling at the end was like okay like for what like yeah it's like it was basically just like he's like here's some some scenes that would be crazy and what is yeah what is the message here there's i think they're just it isn't i mean i think there's no deeper meaning i guess they said the thing about the patriarchy at the beginning but then it's like the murderers who have to protect a woman what's their story pre-entering this game and like did they are what context are they given about how, like, are they just murderers? Oh, one more point. One more point. Actually, it does say if you try to get out of it, you are subject to forced participation.

So, potentially, they were people who were watching it who are now part of the game. Yeah, okay. So, that's why they're willing to kill because they're like, I get what this is. So that's why they're willing to kill because they're like, I get what this is. The patriarchal element, I think, is something that I always want to see embraced more in films because there are a few scarier and more oppressive things. But I feel like mentioning it is a useful,

constructive thing to do. And portraying a strong female character, identifying and fighting the patriarchy is a constructive thing to do. But then for the entire moving part, for all the gears of your film to be beauty and the beast, beauty and the beast, beauty and the beast, small cowering women versus big scary men, sort of really undermines whatever clumsy narrative point that our presumably reasonably well-intentioned friendless filmmaker was attempting to make. I think there is something there that could have been approached

and just, yeah, it's disappointing that someone who would appear to be reasonably well-intentioned was sort of let down by their own lack of competence and lack of friends so yeah because if i could end with a marketing analogy like i do think you know any movie that starts with someone spray painting fuck patriarchy is probably trying to say something like even if it's very vague probably has like a thrust they're trying to say but it reminds me of a case study i saw recently where it was like an anti-bullying campaign where they used uh like they used sort of like like uh social media uh monitoring to pick up people saying like cyber bullying things and every time it registered

230 like like a certain number of comments um that would be indicative of you know the amount of comments it would take to court like to drive someone to suicide which is quite a powerful moment right but then the way that they executed this campaign was that at every certain number of times when they said this is the amount of times that would

cause a teen to commit like to attempt suicide they had these posters of teenagers and they had an automated gun that fired a bullet into one of the teenagers. Oh, God. Right, yeah, that's not helping. Oh, God.

Oh, boy. Well, you know, hey, we wish this filmmaker the best. We wish him friends. Yes. Anyone would like to make friends with him, you know. He's clearly got some space in his diary i don't know that we have a lot in common um me and this filmmaker i think we can all agree that we all i wish we all hate the patriarchy that's something we have that's true so maybe there's

more than we would think so if we were going to end off this week with scary voices, I think Shag and I have just the scariest voices. They have sort of the voices of white, male, heteronormative, cisgendered, able-bodied, reasonably well-educated privilege. So we're already scary enough, I think. But Sammy and Em, did you have any scary voices this week? Does anyone want to do a Birdman impression? I was thinking. Birdman. I feel like you seem to know the most about Birdman,

how many Rolexes he has. Yeah, like Birdman's Lil Wayne's boss. He's the guy who runs Cash Money Records, and there's no way I'm going to do an impression of Birdman. He sort of has a really constricted sort of voice. The last time I heard him do a voice was on that, do a verse was on whatever that 2011 Drake record that he won a Grammy for was. So I got no Birdman impressions for you, just the scariest voice.

No Birdman. I've got a thought. I've got a thought. Should we all just end this? I mean, you can't, I mean, this is probably the worst thing to do on a pod, but like, should we all just scarily tilt our heads to the side? Listeners, you'll know that it's happening. You'll know.

You'll feel it. You'll feel it. You'll feel it. So from all of us here at Spooko and Too Scary to Watch, just feel what this is. Goodbye. Goodbye. Thanks, guys.

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