Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE GRUDGE (Vault Release)

Episode Date: December 29, 2021

Meow-screams, unsafe beds, and way too much hair - we're recapping The Grudge! This episode was originally released on our Patreon in April 2021. Happy New Year! We love you all! Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi everybody, just dropping in to say that today's episode is a release from our Patreon vault that was originally released April 30th, 2021. If you would like access to all of our bonus episodes, you can become a patron at patreon.com slash tsdwpodcast or just enjoy this little taste of what that life might be like. We will be back next week with a regular episode. Until then, happy new year. We love you a lot. Enjoy. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy,

and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, April, bonus episode number two. Number two, baby. Number two, here it is, the second one. And you picked the movie, which is pretty cool. You picked the movie, which is pretty cool. Oh, it's true. You did. You had a lot of Tony had so many freaking suggestions for spooky movies.

I didn't even know there were that many movies in the world. And you suggested them all. How many suggestions did we get? Didn't we get almost 100 or something like that? We definitely did. Yes, we got like 80 something comments and some of you recommended more than one movie. It's a lot of movies.

A lot of movies. Don't worry. We've added them all to our to-do list, which again could take years. But fret not they'll come eventually but the one that won is

the grudge the 2004 grudge don't worry not the remake we did get a lot of people very worried that we would do the 2020 version yes when I made the polls I used an image from the remake unknowingly.

Ah. And I think people really were stressed about that. They were so stressed. I think generally speaking, Tony heads, and I may end up being wrong about this, but when we pitch a movie, we mean the original. Yeah.

I think in general, right? Usually, yeah. Unless we say, like, we might do one day the Evil Dead remake. But that's because we already did the original Evil Dead. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And that's a lesson for me as well, who has mistakenly done.

This is mostly friendly that we're saying this. Watch the wrong version of the movie in the past. This is mostly just a reminder for me. To be fair, this is... The 2004 version is also a remake of the original Japanese version. Oh, okay. Well, forget everything I said. I was going to say, you know, maybe that's not true. Maybe that's not true.

But this time, right now, 2004 Grudge, which is apparently the middle grudge. It was directed by Takashi Shimizu, written by Stephen Susco, based on the aforementioned original film that was written by Takashi Shimizu starring Buckle Up. OK, OK, OK. I forgot. I forgot. We're about to go back to 2004, a real time capsule. Sarah Michelle Gellar. Oh my God. Whoa.

Whoa. Jason bear, who I don't know if you've got is maybe not as much of a name, but he was the star of Roswell, which I was a big fan of. Uh, Clea Duvall. Is it clear?

It's clear. Clea Duvall. Also big 2004. That was a good time fora. Clea Duvall. Also, big 2004. That was a good time for her. That was a good time. And you know what also? I think now is a really good time for her. That's true.

She's kind of killing it. She's directing. She rules. She married my friends. She officiated their wedding. So good time for Clea. Good time for Clea. Bill Pullman.

What? Clea. Good time for Clea. Bill Pullman. What? And then these ones are not going to be as memorable names, but William Mopother, Katie Strickland, Grace Zabriskie, Takako

Fuji, Yuya Ozeki, and Ryo Ishibashi. Okay. I'm so excited. This is a movie that I don't really know anything about other than this movie came out in peak me channel surfing alone at night in my house like because i would have been in middle school or early high 2004 so i would have been 13 which is like peak i don't

have a babysitter but i still am scared and I'm home alone. And something scary goes on the TV and I freak out. This movie was a big one for me that I was like, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Look at it. Look at it. Oh, no. So I'm excited to be a grown up and I can hear about it now. I somehow never saw this movie until this week.

I don't know why. I never have seen it. I saw The Ring in theaters and for some reason just skipped the grudge. Did they come out around the same time? The Ring came out in 2002 and kind of spurred this. You saw The Ring in theaters in 2002? I did. And you know what's so weird is like, I don't remember being scared of it.

I remember thinking it was really cool. And when the horse jumped off the boat, I was like, how did they do that? Oh my God. What a mature young child you were, Samantha. Because you would have been like 12. Yeah, 13, I think. 13 then. Oh my God.

That's insane, Sammy. It's really weird. I don't, I can't, I can't, I can't explain it. Cause I didn't, I didn't love horror movies at that time. But you were pretty punk at that time though, right? I was very punk. We've seen the pictures. You were pretty punk. So, I mean. You can handle it. You can handle it. You weren't, you weren't some like wilting flower, you know? Like, you were a fucking punk.

That's exactly, that's, you're absolutely right. Well, I was, Emily, just like you, at home scared. Because also when I, in 2004, that's when my family got cable, which was very exciting for me. Oh, shit! But it also meant that

like The Ring and The Grudge and all those movies would be on HBO all the time. And so I would be like, I would dare myself. I would be like, Henley, just just hop in for a second. Just look, just take just take a peek. Just take a peek. And then I would and then I would get way too scared and then change it back to, you know, VH1 music videos. Yeah.

It's the only thing I really watched. VH1 and MTV were parental control locked on my TV. Are you serious? My parents did not know how to do anything of that. Too sexy. I was not allowed to. So I was like, that just like triggered me remembering how fucking left out and dorky I felt about the fact that I like couldn't watch music videos.

I couldn't watch music videos. I couldn't watch music videos. I couldn't watch TRL. Yeah, that's pretty lame. That's pretty lame of your parents. Not gonna lie. Emily's parents, if you're listening, that was a lame choice. I think they are. They've both separately

joined Tony Collette. I love you so much. You did a really good job as parents, but if you were to do it again I think let me watch MTV yes yeah I didn't have cable so I it was not not allowed but I just couldn't watch it so I'd get so excited going to

friends house to watch VH1 and MTV I'd be like oh put it on put it on let's not talk let's just watch this I was similarly if I went to friends houses it was with that and junk food where I'd be like hey it's really nice to hang out with you can i have all your snacks and watch next next next yum um but so yeah the grudge was the next kind the ring spurred all these remakes of japanese horror films and the grudge was kind of the next one i believe and its budget was 10 million opening weekend 40 million holy and to date 187 million holy shit that's yeah

it the sequel the grudge 2 was green greenlit on the Monday after the opening weekend. Yeah, that makes sense. And unlike the other Japanese horror remakes like The Ring, Dark Water, Pulse, and One Missed Call, this was the only film that actually remained in Japan instead of moving the story to America, which is interesting. actually remained in Japan instead of moving the story to America, which is interesting. Before filming, the cast and crew went through a ceremony where they were blessed so that nothing bad could happen to them for filming, which, you know, we've done our Cursed Films episode. Seems like they had heard some of the Cursed Filmed rumors.

I mean, nice to know that you could just bless yourself and then everything's fine. Yeah, but better safe than sorry. Better safe than sorry. Better safe than sorry. Wait, isn't Sarah Michelle Gellar still married to Freddie Prinze Jr.? Yes. You better fucking believe it. I love that.

I love it. I fucking love that. They have like two kids, three kids. They're so under the radar. I don't even know. I fucking love that. They have like two kids, three kids. They're so under the radar. I don't even know. I don't know either. I will say, I did audition for a commercial a couple years ago that it was like, it was a Super Bowl ad and they're like,

so we have already cast Sarah Michelle Gellar, but in case she bails, we are auditioning for two night do. And it was like, what the fuck is and then guess what? Sarah Michelle Gellar did the commercial. It was so weird. Anyway, that's just what I think about when I think about her now. I'm like, what's that about?

Is she notorious for bailing on commercials or something? If you have Sarah Michelle Gellar, what am I doing here? Yeah, what's the point? What am I doing? But yeah, what's the point? What am I doing? Anyway, but yeah, I think they're very happily married and good for them.

Well, speaking of happily married people, Jason Bear met Katie Strickland on the set of this film, despite not sharing any scenes together, and they got married two years later, and they are also still married to this day. Wow. They didn't have any scenes together, but somehow they met.

Somehow. By doing the same movie. Of course they met. Good for them. A love story is what this movie is. Yeah, that's what this is. It's a love story. This one is really funny. So you guys probably remember the infamous

maybe you don't, the shower scene where the hand comes out of the hair I guess that's what we used image for in the mental picture yeah well while filming the infamous shower scene Sarah Michelle Gellar discovered

she was allergic to Japanese water and as it caused her skin to itch so to properly film the scene safely, Geller was dressed in black hefty garbage bags from the waist down and a little tube top.

Wait, I'm allergic to Japanese water. What's up with Japanese water? I'm allergic to Japanese water. It's kind of a, just a thing about me is Japanese water specifically, I'm very allergic. What is that? I've never heard of that before in my life.

I'm less concerned about that and more concerned about why they thought a tube top would do anything. A tube top is not water repellent. No. It's just cloth. Couldn't they just put a filter on the shower head? I don't know. Anyway, interesting. Okay, well, that's interesting. And this is

a spooky one. The type of ghost that Kayako and Toshio are is based on the Japanese legend of the Onryo, a vengeful spirit that can actually physically manifest itself to attack and kill victims. And I feel like we might have mentioned that as well in the ring.

It sounds familiar yeah so an unreal that's scary scary scary did it scare you Sammy watching watching it you know yeah there was a few jump scares that got me but I if I had seen this movie in 2004 it would have fucking destroyed me yeah I would have been terrified. But I'm incredibly brave now. And so desensitized that it didn't scare me too bad. No. I didn't have any nightmares. You're so

brave. Didn't feel spooked after. Who knows if it would have scared you though? Because the ring didn't really scare you. That's true. But this is more... I don't know why. This just feels different. Okay. I don't know why this this just feels different. This is I don't know, I guess they're they are similar, obviously, but. I don't know. Like I said, I can't explain it.

Can't explain it. But yeah, I like was afraid of scary movies at that time. And so I don't know how the ring slipped through, but I think I was too scared to see the grudge. And I do think it would have scared me a lot more than the ring did. Well, I'm excited to hear about it. The film received one star out of four and is on Roger Ebert's most hated list, which I just thought was interesting. Yeah. Okay.

I think that our boy, Raj, sometimes is just having a bad day and like makes wild choices on his movie reviews because sometimes he's reviewed movies and given like terrible ratings to things that are now like classics and i can't give an example right now but i do know this is true i believe you yeah yeah our boy sometimes he's just having a bad day um i forgot to mention also that a producer on sam ramey is a producer on this movie our other boy our other boy and uh the grudge remake i just wanted to talk about first i haven't seen it i've heard it's obviously horribly reviewed. People hated it, but it has so many good people in it. And I got really tempted in that looking at the IMDb of it has Andrea Risborough in it and Jackie Weaver, who I really like.

And the cast is very good. And John Cho is the main guy in it. And I like him a lot, too. And so I could see how people might have gone into it with very high expectations because it looks like it should have been good and scary and now I'm like curious about how they fucked it up.

Did it come out during the pandemic? It came out right at the beginning. Yeah, I think it was like February 2020 that it came out. So it was a weird time to think yeah yeah do we have to watch the trailer we do I'm still I'm very scared to watch this trailer to this day I'm like I this is this is one that I'm I'm nervous about well get ready so here it comes here so maybe

yeah fuck yeah fuck the whole time i was in that house, I felt something was wrong. What happened there? I knew it was coming and it's still really... I screamed. It's so scary when the part, the elevator with the little creepy boy passing through it. Did a kid open his mouth and meow like a cat? Yeah, I laughed at that part. I laughed at that part too.

Also, the first second that Sarah Michelle Gellar was on the screen, I just was like, oh, wow, Buffy. That's all I can think of. I was really transported back to 2004. She was the only star that mattered at a time. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Did you guys watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

I did. No, but I've been thinking lately I should watch it now. I bet I would love it now. It was too scary for me when it was on. I'm surprised that you watched it, Henley. There was a few episodes that were really scary. I didn't watch it that much. I only watched a few episodes.

But actually, it was one of the things in the beginning of the pandemic when Tim and I were just looking for random shows to get into. We tried to get into Buffy the Vampire Slayer and it didn't work. But we I still watched a bunch of the episodes. It's because the episodes are like an hour long and it's the same thing every time, which we were so used to in 2000, early 2000s. Yeah. But now it's like I can't watch 22 episodes of like the same thing happening over and over and over again. 22 episode hour long is tough and just as I was saying that I was

like well Riverdale but again Riverdale special is the only show that matters but also Riverdale is like so crazy. Yeah nothing is the same ever and in fact to that to its detriment often it's like what is happening. Like what's happening yeah yeah yeah

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The curse gathers in that place of death. Those who encounter it will be consumed by its fury. Sounds bad. Yeah yeah it sounds really bad I do not want to be consumed by its fury also if that's really true there's a lot of shit going around that we need to take care of a lot of stuff

a lot of onryos so then we open we see that we are in Japan and we see Bill Pullman standing on a apartment balcony kind of. He looks a little dazed. It's early morning. We see his partner still in bed sleeping. I can't remember if they're married or not. His wife. She kind of wakes up, notices he's out of bed, says, what's going on? He looks back at her and throws himself off the balcony to his death. Oh, no. He's in the trailer a lot, too.

So I'm wondering, at least I felt like he was in the trailer a lot. No, it's just this little cameo. He's just in this movie just for this one scene. No, he, yeah, he is in the movie more. Okay, okay. You almost tricked me. I almost got you. I almost got you.

And his name is Peter, by the way. And then we get a title sequence and one thing i will say about this movie um that i that is scary that i don't like is the the hair factor is high and i don't like hair uh in life or in any any hair that's out of the head. I have a problem like cleaning my own hair out of my own drains. I hate it. That's interesting. That doesn't really bother me for some reason. Some people it doesn't, but for me, I hate it. I don't like wet hair. Yeah. I mean, I don't love wet hair, but it really also, I don't mind it. Yeah. And I mind a lot of things. So I'm happy to put that on the list of things I don't mind.

One time I had a plumber come when I first moved in. And so I think it was the hair from the person that lived here before. I don't like this. I don't think that's a good thing. He's going to opt out. She's opting out. They came and cleared it out. And the plumber was like, do you want to see it?

And I was like, no, obviously not. And I made him not show it to me. But then afterwards, I was kind of curious. And I was like, should, obviously not. And I like made him not show it to me. But then afterwards, I was kind of curious. And I was like, should I have looked at it? Like it was it seemed to shock even him. That's yeah. That's what happened when I got. Remember, I got a fucking cyst removed.

And afterwards, they were like, would you like to see? Oh, no. Some people really want to see. I was like, yes! No! What? No! Some people really want to see. They want to take it home. I was like, get away from me and I will never look at something that was on the inside of my body. Excuse me. It's like when they give you teeth after they pull a tooth

and they're like, give it to you. And it's like, what am I going to do with this? I don't need this. It's like, well, I know what that is. I've seen that um well so this opening sequence is like the titles are formed from hair like it's just swirling around the screen forming into letters and i was already like, yuck. I do not like this. And then we see a woman arriving at a house. We come to see that she is a caretaker coming to care for this elderly woman named Emma. The caretaker's name is Yoko. And Emma is basically, she looks like she maybe

has some sort of dementia or she's kind of catatonic. She just is sitting and staring, doesn't respond to questions. Yoko is kind of like, how are you today? Like, it's nice to see you again. Emma doesn't respond. Yoko just kind of goes around doing the cleaning, bathing Emma, and she uses the phone to make a phone call and is cleaning, sweeping around the house, kind of making her way upstairs. And as she gets to the second floor, she hears a noise coming from one of the rooms and like a creaking noise. And she walks into the room and hears what sounds like footsteps on the ceiling. But there's no there as far as she knows, there's no there doesn't as far as she knows there's no third floor and then she hears a bang in a closet in this room and kind of slowly approaches this

closet to inspect and in any of these kind of scenes i'm always like i just wouldn't look i don't think. I mean, maybe I would. If you heard a noise in, like, someone in my house, I think I would. Is it daytime? It's daytime, yeah. More likely to check at daytime. Okay, okay.

But I do have a closet that's pretty deep. It, like, starts in the dining room and goes under the stairs. And I'm afraid to look in the depths of that closet even when I'm in there. I won't because it turns a corner and I'll never look past that corner. What if someone lives there? You don't want to know. They can keep living there as long as you don't find out. I don't want to turn that corner and make eye contact

with the person in my closet. I'd rather not know. So I guess the answer is no, I would not check. You would check to a point. To a point, not past a corner. Well, you're not going to like what happens in this closet. Okay. So she tiptoes towards it, opens it, and she looks around.

Nothing is, nothing's in there. And then she sees that there is like a false top to this closet. Oh, boy. She slides off and we see it. Oh, that I'm definitely not doing. She slides off to reveal a hidden attic. Oh, no. A hidden attic is worse than a regular attic.

I know. It absolutely is. It's true. And within a closet? Worse. Worse. Awful. Somebody lives there for sure and she starts hearing

this noise that's very upsetting it's kind of like a clicking but it's like someone breathing in it's like no but they made this noise i read in some of the trivia by like with comb bristles. It's like and someone breathing in. So they like compiled these noises. It's very spooky. And so she hears. Oh, do you have a comb? Is it like that?

Can you hear that? A little bit. It's kind of like that. Should I keep going? I can't really hear it. Hold on. Oh, yeah, a little bit. Mm-hmm.

Spooky. Cool. cool and she hears that noise and then kind of hoists herself up well she's like on her tiptoes like looking around this attic so just her head is there and it's doing the the the good old 360 turning around looking each direction swiveling her head and you know something's gonna be there and i actually love you see so it's a a girl or woman with uh like long black hair black circles under her eyes very pale pale skin, looks like a ghost, I guess, a ghost woman. And you see her behind Yoko before it makes the jump scare noise, which I liked, because I jumped from seeing her and then it does a jump scare noise. And so it's like

a one-two punch that I thought was very sneaky and it worked well for me. And then Yoko sees her and starts screaming and we just see a wide shot from further out of her like legs flailing as she is pulled up into this attic. And yep, yep. Does the grudge girl look a lot like the ring girl? Yeah. Yeah, very similar. I remember that being like people saying, like, the grudge girl. Like, that was like a

probably like a popular Halloween costume at a time. Yeah, I think if you dressed up as this for Halloween, people would not know which one you were. There we go. So then we cut to, we meet Sarah Michelle Gellar's characters. Name is Karen and her boyfriend's name is Doug. They are waking up in bed. They're exchange students kind of getting ready to go to school.

They are in Japan and they have a cute little relationship. They like seem like they really love each other. They walk to class together. Karen goes into the building that she has class in and she gets stopped by one of her, I'm guessing, advisors or

something named Alex, who's played by Sam Raimi's younger brother or cousin or something. I forgot to fully write down this trivia, but he's played by a relative, a Raimi. A Raimi. And he pulls her aside and says that Yoko didn't show up for caring for Emma today. And can I reassign this case to you and this is going to be her first case she's this is like what she's been doing she's been volunteering at this place

but hasn't had her own case assignment yet so she seems a little nervous and he's kind of like don't worry like you'll you'll be great um uh and gives her emma's file and sends her off to go do that. He's like, yeah, I don't know. Yoko is not answering. She must be sick or something. And sends Karen on her way. And as Karen is making her way through the streets of Tokyo, she seems very like fish out of water.

She's like struggling to read the signs and the maps and has to ask for help. But it looks like she's, she's like making a good effort. She speaks enough, enough Japanese to get by and eventually makes her way to find the house and sees that Yoko's bike is still outside. Oh God. Don't go inside.

Turn around. Knocks on the door. There's no answer. Knocks again. Rings the bell. No answer. She tries it and it's unlocked. And she goes in and it's very messy inside.

There's like chip wrappers everywhere. Trash on the floors and chairs are knocked over. And she looks toward Emma's bedroom and a hand smacks the window and it's a jump scare. And she like runs to open the door. And it is Emma who has fallen out out of bed she has wet the bed and has like clearly been trying to take care of herself as best as she could um and karen you know runs to it's like oh my god quickly starts to clean her up bathes her starts doing laundry cleans up the house and again is kind of talking to her like i'm karen i mean i'm subbing for yoko um emma's not

not speaking not responding and she goes um upstairs she's kind of cleaning the rest of the house and again, here's a noise coming from that same room. No. And she goes into the room and sees the closet is completely taped up like

every corner of it has been. It's like taped closed with duct tape and she hears a cat meowing inside of it and she looks confused and starts peeling the tape off to try to get this cat out and wait so emma taped the closet i think so i've okay i'm guessing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so she, oh, she rips off the tape, gets the closet open and sees a little notebook sitting on the floor of the closet, picks up the notebook. And as she's kind of thumbing through it, this cat meows at her from the side, frightens her, scares her. And she jumps back and sees that not only is there a cat, there's also a little boy sitting kind of curled up in the corner of this closet.

Oh, boy. She falls backwards, completely freaked out. And then we cut to her downstairs on the phone with Alex saying, you know, there's a little boy here. I don't know who he is. He's he won't. He's not speaking like. Oh, and one of the things that Alex had told her when he assigned the case to her was that her daughter in law takes care, takes care of her, too. Takes care of Emma, too, that she's usually there and she should have been back by now. And so

Karen is saying to Alex, like the daughter-in-law is not back yet. I don't know where they are. I don't know what to do. Like just get here as fast as you can. I don't know who this kid is. I don't know what to do with him. So Alex is on his way. Karen opens up the journal that she found and finds a picture of Bill Pullman. Ooh, the mystery deepens. mom, a dad, and a son. And the son looks like the little boy that she just saw in the closet. But in this photo, the mom's face is ripped out. And the photo is crumpled and actually looks like maybe it was even torn up and taped back together. And as she's looking at this, she sees the little boy is now on the staircase, kind of peeking his head through the stair banister and she looks up at him and in japanese says like hello my name is karen what is your name

and he tells her his name is toshio and right as he says that the phone rings and scares her and she runs into the other room to see to try to answer the phone. But the phone is off. She was using her cell phone earlier to talk to Alex. This is the house phone now ringing and she tries to answer it, but it's off the hook and she doesn't know where it is. So it just goes to voicemail. So she hears the voicemail. Susan who is apparently another child of Emma's who's saying like hey Michael it's Michael and Jennifer it's Susan I'm just calling to check in on mom seeing how you guys are doing and um I'm a little worried like give me a call back and as Karen is um listening to this voicemail we see a shadow just cross behind her in the hallway and it's really creepy wait michael and jennifer are who are they michael is the daughter-in-law yeah michael is her son and jennifer is the daughter-in-law we don't we haven't met them yet so it's meant to be a little confusing at this point all All right. Then we hear some kind of moaning and mumbling coming from Emma's room, like Emma's maybe talking to herself or something.

So Karen goes in and kind of goes to her bedside. And she's like, what is it? What's going on? And Emma is looking up at the corner of her bedroom, looking scared, wide-eyed, just staring at this one spot, not looking away from this specific spot in the corner of her room. eventually gets her attention is like what's what's going on what are you what's what's wrong and emma eventually turns to look at her and says i just want her to leave me alone and it's the first thing she said um and as she is looking at karen they're looking at each other we see in the background that same corner of the room hair starting to drip down from the ceiling and it's like this big web of hair forming in the corner and it eventually forms into the same woman we saw earlier I'm actually actually going to look, what was her name? Just so we can refer to

her as something. Her name is Kayako. And so it forms into Kayako and she sweeps down and Emma sees her first. Emma is completely terrified, looks like shocked and stunned and kind of falls backwards. And Karen turns and Kayako comes in Karen's face and kind of makes a scary, screamy, that same kind of like noise and it cuts to black. And then we go back in time, seemingly not too far back in time but to when this family bought this house so we see emma and her two children michael and susan and michael's wife jennifer who's clear to all um we see them coming and touring the property to considering buying it and they're being led around with a realtor um looking around like they like it and the mom immediately emma

immediately like goes into that room and stares in the corner stares in like up in the corner, stares up into the corner. And Michael says, Mom, what's wrong? What's up? What are you looking at? And she just, again, won't answer and is just staring at this corner. And we see downstairs, the realtor has kind of separated from them. They're kind of walking around viewing it on their own and the realtor notices the downstairs bathtub is filled with water and he looks annoyed and kind of walks up to it

reaches in to try to pull out the bath plug. Anytime anyone in a horror movie reaches into water, I just don't want to know what happens after that. It's never good. And it's not good this time either. And he reaches in and we see a small hand grab him and a face emerge.

And it is the little boy again. And it scares him and knocks him backwards and then the boy is gone and he is panting breathing heavily as michael comes in and sees the realtor like wet on the floor now and michael's just like we'll take it it's like you came in and your mom is just staring at one spot and you walked into this room with this realtor looking terrified falling wet on the floor but they decide to don't ask any questions that's another thing don't ask any questions this is a house for us perfect uh so we see them moving in shortly afterwards bringing in boxes and Mm hmm. Perfect. works and lives nearby. And Jennifer is seeming pretty stressed about being in Japan. They're all American. And she's like, I feel like I got so lost today. Nobody could help me. Nobody spoke

English. She is seemingly making not too much of an effort to learn the language and i don't know a little more doesn't really want to be there and it's clear that michael is the one that initiated this move and he's like just give it your best try please like Like, I promise it'll get better. And, you know. Is Michael Bill Pullman? No. Oh, okay. Michael is William Mopother. And, like, the second I saw him, I was like, it's Ethan from Lost.

And I don't know how I remember that. I mean, I guess I was into Lost, but I didn't even remember that there was a character named Ethan, but my brain had just retained, this is Ethan from Lost. And it said it instantly. And I was like, Ethan from Lost, that's him. And then I had to look it up. And I was like, I guess it is. I don't even remember what his character did or anything about him, but I know his name. Ethan from Lost.

Got it. I'm going to guess that Bill Pullman was Emma's husband. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe. We'll see. We'll find out. We'll find out. Time will tell. Time will tell. So, yeah, it seems that am I calling him

Michael or Matthew? Michael. Michael. Okay, his name is Matthew. It's one of those interchangeable ones. It could be either it could be either there's nobody named michael so if i say michael you know who i'm referring to and that is matthew that's great i'm pretty sure you've been saying michael i think i think i have to well all right and remind me who susan is again susan is uh mat is Matthew's sister. So Emma's daughter. Okay.

Okay. All right. I was. And she's. And I'm at the point where Sarah Michelle Gellar is like in the house. Susan is where? We don't know. She's the one who called.

She's the one who left a voicemail. There's someone left. Okay. So she doesn't live there, but she comes by sometimes. She works nearby. But Matthew and Jennifer live there. And they were supposed to be home. And they're not.

And now we're back in time and seeing this happen. And it's clear that Matthew is the one that wanted to move here. And Jennifer is just kind of... She is going to be taking care of Emma while Matthew's at work and stuff but then they've also got Yoko as added help you like mentions like you can like Yoko's here to help you or Yoko will be here to help you

and then we see Jennifer taking a nap on the couch I guess a you know a day later or so Michael's at work and sorry, fuck, Matthew. And I've

said it too many times now and now it's defaulted in my head. And as she's sleeping, we hear little wet footsteps running. Oh, no. A wet footstep is worse than a dry footstep, I think.

Yes. And it wakes her up and she turns to look towards Emma's room and we see that there's a big mess again. There's a bowl of ramen overturned and more trash on the floor and she's kind of approaching Emma like, Emma, what happened? overturned and more trash on the floor. And she's kind of approaching Emma like, Emma, what happened? And then sees small child-sized footprints have run through the ramen spill. And so she sees that and is like, well, that's not Emma's footprints. And starts kind of following the footsteps upstairs.

following the footsteps upstairs. And she peeks around the corner of the staircase and sees a black cat at the top of the stairs and looks confused. And as she's staring at it, two hands come and grab the cat and totally scares her. And she yells, who's there? Who is that? and she yells, who's there? Who is that? And doesn't answer, but you still hear the meowing and more footsteps and she's, somebody's up there and she slowly goes

up to investigate. Don't do it. Don't do it. And as she gets to the top, she opens a door to that same room. And we just see her go slowly inside. And then the door slams behind her.

And then we cut to Matthew coming home that evening. And he comes inside, sees how messy the place is. Kind of like, what's going on here, goes to Emma's room, says, Mom, are you OK? What's going on? Where's Jennifer? thing and is just kind of pointing in the direction of upstairs and matthew um starts looking for jennifer for his wife and starts walking upstairs and goes into their bedroom and she is laying in the bed and he says oh thank god jennifer i didn't know where you were and as he gets closer and turns the light on he sees that she is just completely like frozen in fear her eyes are just wide and looks like she is in shock and she's just breathing like oh that's really scary her eyes just wide staring at the ceiling

he he runs to her it's like jennifer jennifer i'll call an ambulance like what's what's happening what's going on and as he is at her bedside the little boy pops up on the other side of the bed opens his mouth lets out a big old cat meow the cat meow thing is really strange i mean i, I think it is scary, I guess, but it's also funny. It's funny. It's more funny than anything else. It's certainly not as scary as the...

But seeing someone in shock, like scared and in shock like that is very scary. And Matthew stumbles back. Oh, and he leans back against the closet and hears something happening in the closet and leans his head back so he's looking up into the closet and again toshio the little boy pops out mouth, screams in his face, cut to black. Big jump scare. A screamer meow. A regular scream this time.

I think this one is maybe a regular scream. Toshio's a really cute name. It's a really cute name. He's a very cute boy. And he's always with this little black cat. And I read in the trivia. I like him. I read in the trivia that this little boy was scared of cats.

Oh, no. Oh, no. I read in the trivia that this little boy was scared of cats oh no he's in a horror movie and he's too scared of cats that's not okay it's a cute cat though I like a black cat and apparently in Japan black cats are supposed to be good luck I love that they're bad luck but

I like black cats I mean I like all cats but I really do like a black cat me too okay so we then it cuts to black and we I like black cats. I mean, I like all cats, but I really do like black cat. Me too. Me too. Okay, so then it cuts to black and we come back up on Alex arriving at the house that Karen had called. And he slides the door open to Emma's room and sees Emma laying motionless and kind of comes up to her and says, Emma, Emma. And as he gets closer, realizes that she is dead. Oh, okay. And it scares him and he kind of jumps backwards and he jumps into Karen, who is huddled in the corner of the room, now staring at the top corner of the room where, what's her face? This is Kayako, came from. And she is also frozen in shock and not

responding. He says, Karen, Karen, are you OK? We cut to ambulance and police showing up. And we meet Detective Nakagawa, who is interviewing Alex and kind of asking what happened. And he says, you know, her her son and daughter in law were supposed to come home. And I don't know why they're not here. And the detective says, we've called their work here and the detective says we've called their work they didn't or we've called his work matthew didn't show up for work today and alex says you know actually yoko is supposed to be the one that was here and she's also didn't show up to work today so it's seeming seeming bad and so also like i'm wondering what the sequence of events

is here in terms of timing i was i was feeling confused too i think it's really quick i think the flashback was literally two days like them buying the house i think was literally like a week ago okay that's what it felt like yeah so them not showing up to work and stuff was like because of whatever happened in the slash yes so that's I was confused at first because I thought we were flashing back to like a year ago and that then it doesn't make sense. But yeah, I think it's a very recent. They've very recently moved in. Okay. And so the detective, the two main detectives on the case but the main detective is detective

nakagawa and he sees that the phone is off the hook he again he again listens listens to the voicemail from susan it's kind of like clocking like okay we gotta talk to susan uh then sees that the phone is off the hook and presses the page button like locate the phone so it starts beeping and they're kind of following it in the house and we know where it's gonna be it's man that really takes me back to 2004 you remember trying to find your

home phone your parents being like is the phone in your room you know like that deal and he follows the beeps upstairs and it's coming from inside that closet oh god he opens the closet sees the phone and notices the open roof or ceiling of the closet opening to the attic above. And him and the other detective crawl up there and get completely up there, climb up and are shining their flashlights around.

And we see Matthew and Jennifer dead, holding each other in the corner of this attic. Oh, God. Okay. And then the other detective shines a flashlight and says, who does that belong to? And we see it is a lower human jaw.

Just detached from a body sitting on the attic floor. Extra jaw. just a spare jaw is it is it what's the state of this jaw is it all bone or is it fresh it's fresh off the face is bloody oh yuck yuck yuck yuck bad oh then we go to karen in the hospital Her boyfriend, Doug, is there at her bedside comforting her, saying, I'm so sorry. They told me what happened. And she's like, what did they tell you? And he says, they told me that that woman died in front of you.

Like, that's so horrible that Emma died and you are there. And she says, like, I don't even know what happened like that's not all that happened like something else happened like i don't know what's going on okay here we go is doug gonna be the one the kind of boyfriend who's gonna believe her and support his girlfriend or is he gonna be the kind of boyfriend that's like you're crazy. You've just gone through something hard. Oh, you poor thing. Yeah. This has been tough for you. I can tell. It's 2004, so I'm going to guess bad boyfriend.

You might be surprised. Doug might surprise us. And then we cut to Susan. We meet Susan, who is at work in Tokyo, again, making a phone call from her desk, calling

Matthew, saying, I'm getting really freaked out. Can you call me back? No one notified her that they found her brother in East Ed? I think they're trying to call her. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't make, because she has a cell phone. She's calling them on a cell phone. But maybe she didn't leave the cell phone number on the message machine, on the voicemail.

Maybe. I just feel like, hey, officers, if you come to the home and you find the mother, the brother, and the wife dead, you tell the sister. Yeah. And they are like, we got to go find her. That's for sure on their to-do list. So let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say they didn't have the phone number, so they have to physically go to her.

But they should know where she works. I think they're cops. They should have been able to figure it out. So we see she's leaving the voicemail and she says, call me back on my cell phone. I'm going home now. And she packs up her stuff, starts leaving work.

And as she's leaving, it's like an empty office build, a big skyscrapery building, and empty nighttime. And she walks out into the hall and some of the lights are out at the end of the hall. So it's very dark at the end of the hall and just looks scary and she gets spooked and just gets like a shiver and walks in the other direction and then starts running she kind of hears i think that the croaky noise and starts running for the stairwell and as she gets in the stairwell the croaky noise is louder. So she's hearing like, that's pretty good. That's pretty much what it sounds like. That was really good.

That was scary. I wouldn't want to hear it. That was really fucking scary. And she's hearing that coming from below. The lights are flickering in the staircase now. And she's super freaked out. And she looks down the middle of the spiral of the staircase and sees a woman kind of climbing up the staircase on her hands and knees and her skin looks all white with her like veins coming through like a little corpsey looking. and she's freaked out and immediately runs out of the staircase, but her key gets caught in the door,

and she's trying to, like, rip herself. It's like a key card attached to her belt, so she's trying to, like, rip it out, and she breaks the key off and falls backwards. And as she does, and the door is closing, Kayako's face, like, just peek the door the doorway at her and doesn't like lunch or anything just looks at her like wide eyes and she screams and runs um and she runs into the security office of the building and speak there's one security guard on duty and she's

basically like in japanese saying on the something onth floor, something help, please help on the something on the 10th floor. And the security guard calms her down, sits her down and is like, I'll go check it out. And she watches him on the surveillance footage as he goes up to where she told him she just saw someone. He opens the door and goes inside and the door closes behind him. And she's just watching this empty hallway. Oh, no. Like on the edge of her freaking seat. And he comes back out and seems fine and starts walking back to where she is.

And she does a big old few leans back in her chair. And then something catches her eye in the same hallway, which is now empty. And it looks like just kind of black smoke or something, maybe hair. Hair? Is coming out from underneath the door that he was just in and it gets bigger and darker and forms into the shape of a woman and starts walking and the camera's like this valence

camera's flickering and uh glitching and she's just approaching closer to the camera and susan is like fuck this i'm out of here grabs her shit and just runs and leaves the building yeah honestly fair yeah yeah fair but also unfortunately this is not a location-centric haunting this seems to be a person-specific haunting it does seem to be yeah so susan uh you need to find a demonologist straight away straight away so she she bolts for her home and she uh she gets into her apartment again she's in like a little skyscrapery building and it doesn't matter i don't know i said i like i also like how you're calling it a little skyscrapery building. It's a little skyscrapery.

It's a tiny one. It's just a little one. It's a big one. A little super, super tall building. And she goes inside and panicked, gets into her apartment, locks the door, and sits on the couch. She's kind of out of breath and looking around. And then her cell phone rings and it's Matthew. And she answers it.

And she's like, Matthew, thank God. Like, where have you been? And he says, I'm downstairs. Right, right. And she says, okay. He says, what floor are you on again like what's your number she says her apartment number

and she says I'll buzz you in and she presses the little buzzer and hangs up and the second she hangs up there's a knock at the door like he's just instantly there and she's like hey ghost play it cool man yeah just

to make it a little more believable pretend to be a human at least put a little more effort in um but susan walks over and looks in out the the peephole and it's matthew and And it's Matthew. And she's like, opens the door. It's like, Matthew, what the? And he's gone. And she's scared again and looks down at her cell phone, which rings again. And Matthew answers it. She runs back in her apartment, locks the door and jumps right in her bed.

She's so freaked out. And she's breathing heavily in the bed. And then at the foot of the bed, something moves. And she looks down and there is a big lump of a person sized lump at the foot of her bed. In her bed with her. In her bed with her. Moving upwards towards her. Moving upwards towards her. Her eyes get big and

wide. She's terrified and she lifts up the sheets and there is Kiyoko facing her going, uh. And it pulls her down into her bed and she disappears. Very similar to the Nightmare on Elm Street

Johnny Depp being sucked into the bed scene I thought this is a scene that Caroline I remember talking about on the witch episode she's like not even your bed is safe that's right yeah that's so scary fuck

oof then we see detective Nakagawa is at Karen's hospital room, kind of talking to her, interviewing her about everything that happened. And he shows her the picture of, that she had found of the mother, father, and son. And she confirms like, yes, that's the little boy that I saw. And Detective Nakagawa looks a little confused by that. And he says he he tells her that they found Matthew and Jennifer in the attic. He says it seems that Matthewthew killed jennifer and then killed himself

and as they're having this conversation the other detective pulls detective nakagawa out and tells him that they they went to susan's apartment um and she wasn't there but he said the weird thing is that the apartment was locked from the inside. Like it had the chain lock on from the inside. So it looks like she came home, but she's not there. And we know why that is. Did you check inside her bed?

Did you check in the depths of her bed? Perhaps the portal between her bed and whatever spirit realm. Yeah, that's where it is. Did you check all the portals? Did you check the bed portal? That is existing. Oh, and the other detective at this point also says to Detective Nakagawa

kind of knowingly, you know, they were the first family to live there since the other incident three years ago. That's not a long time ago, three years ago. Yeah, this other incident seems to be an important incident. Important incident. Is Bill Pullman the dad in this picture with the boy?

Mm-mm. Where is Bill Pullman? I know. I know. No. Then we see Doug taking Karen home and they're on a bus on their way home. And she's, you know, just telling him more that she's super freaked out and something felt really wrong inside of that house. He's kind of comforting her, has his arm around her.

And she says, yeah, it felt like something else was there with us and she turns to look out the bus window and looking back at her as her reflection is kayako and goes really loud it was a big jump scare it got me so good i really leapt out of my skin really loud. It was a big jump scare. It got me so good. I really leapt out of my skin. And Karen jumps and then, you know, double take and it's her regular reflection again. And she kind of turns to Doug and is like, I just want

to go home. I want to go home. I need rest. I've had a big day. I need a place that I know will be safe. No questions asked. My bed. Definitely my bed. Or a nice hot shower. Oh. If I'm scared of a ghost.

A shower is the last fucking thing I'm doing. Certainly not alone. Like I'm not above. I am not above being like. You're going to stand right there. Yeah. While I shower. Yeah.

And you're going to. You are going to make sure that I get out of this shower. Yeah. Really what I'm going to do is I'm going to be taking a bath, curtain open. You're going to be here the whole time. You need a buddy. That's what partnership is for. A bath, bath, bath, buddy. If you live alone, you just don't get clean.

If you have a partner, they watch you. You just don't get clean. If you have a partner, they watch you. But she hops in that shower. And it's a lot shorter of a scene than I thought. Basically, she just washed clean in her hair and reaches back and feels another set of fingers protruding from her head. Horrifying. And grabs at it a few times. It disappears. She kind of

whips around, looks around. Nobody's there with her. And that's it. She's just shocked by it. They had to make it a short scene because she was allergic to the water. It was supposed to be the rest of the movie. In that shower.

We're going to have to rewrite the whole third act. Make it dry. I don't know. Move it out of the shower. Then we see Alex back at the university little building that they were in the beginning and kind of finishing up his work for the day leaving the building it's again empty night time just him

and as he packs up his stuff and heads down the stairs this is a movie about the dangers of overworking yourself yeah working late is not okay don't be the last one to leave your office no don't do that and he sees Yoko walking in the front door of this building.

And she is walking. What's her jaw like? Well, we can't see her jaw just yet. Her head is tipped forward. So you can't see her face at all. Kind of her hair is hanging in her face. She's looking pretty slumped, and she's slowly kind of sliding her feet along, walking very zombie-like,

and she is pouring blood. There she leaves a blood trail where she goes, and Alex notices this, kind of reaches down and sees that it's blood, and is like, Yoko, Yoko, are you okay? Are you okay? And she just walks past him, walks down the stairs, maybe to where her office was. And he follows her at the, and he's at the top of the stairs and he slips in her blood. her blood and she turns to face him and he again says Yoko are you okay and she

finally looks up and we see no lower jaw just a gaping hole and she does a little scream also and he screams and it's very scary and cuts to black

I feel like if someone is dripping so much blood that And he screams And it's very scary And cuts to black Very scary I feel like if someone is dripping so much blood That you slip in it You don't have to ask them if they're okay Don't like follow them down the hall Just call 911 The answer is absolutely not No I'm not okay

Yeah that's a safe bet I doubt that would have even helped him in this scenario, though. I don't think there was coming out of this for him. No, probably not. Then we get a freaking research montage. I feel like it's been a while since we've had one of these. Check it off your bingo. Love a research montage.

Who's doing the research? Karen's doing the research montage. She is. She is hooked in this mystery now and it's got to figure out what's going on. She's researching the family that died in this house. That's what she has learned from the detective. Who is this little boy? Who is this mom?

And finds an article about them. And it seems that the husband killed his wife and child and then himself in this house and but one child wait or is kyoko not a child kyoko's not a child she's the wife or the woman i'm assuming she just looks much more girlish when she's a ghost because she's so oh okay sorry i was confused for some reason i thought both of them were children i don't know why i thought that this whole time kids are creepy and creepy ghosts could have been a kid could have been a kid thought it was a kid okay got it got it got it um and as karen is looking at this newspaper she She sees a photo of Bill Pullman in the same issue. Right below, this man jumped off a balcony,

news the same day. The same day this murder-suicide happened? The morning after, yeah. So it was printed in the same newspaper. So she sees it right next to each other and she recognizes this man from the photo in the diary that she found and so she's on to something here we got a good clue we got a good lead and we see detective nakagawa at his office oh he had previously asked for the surveillance tapes from Susan's work and home because now she's missing as well.

And he pops in that surveillance tape. We see what we saw earlier, but extended because Susan ran away really quickly. So we see Kayako moving closer and closer towards the camera. And Detective Nakayama,aga again working way too late by himself in a big empty building no and she gets closer and closer to the camera until the camera is completely black and then two eyes just open really big in the in the screen and he kind of stumbles backwards and then the screen goes back to normal. And he's kind of looking around. He's all freaked out. And we cut to Karen

leaving her apartment early the next morning. She leaves a note for Doug saying, I've got some, I've had to do something. I love you. I'll be back. And she goes to speak to Bill Pullman's widow and finds her apartment and knocks on the door and is like, I'm sorry, I have some questions about your husband. Would you mind talking to me? And the woman shows her all, is happy to talk about him. He's like, yeah, this is photos from our first date. He was so great. And it's kind of showing her all these photographs of them together. And Karen notices in the background of every single photograph is the same woman. And she's looking at her one at a time. And we come to figure out that it's probably Kayako.

As like a regular woman? As a regular woman. Not ghosty. Not ghosty. This is an alive woman. And she's just in all these photos. And the wife hasn't noticed this? I guess not.

She's usually pretty. She's very much in the background. She's not like right next to them. She's it's like there'll be 10 people in the background. It's like him at the university. He was a teacher at this at the same university. Okay. But yeah, she's in all of them.

And then as she realizes this, it cuts to another flashback. We see Bill Pullman, Peter, as a teacher at his place of work. He's going through his locker and one of his co-workers comes up to him and hands him a stack of mail. And he's like, you got another piece of mail from this lady, Kayako. And Bill Pullman's kind of like, she says she was one of my students, but I don't remember her. Like, this is so weird. Why does she keep writing to me? And he looks at the address on the letter and decides he's going to go visit her and figure out why this woman is writing him so many letters. What do the letters say? I don't know.

We don't see them. It seems like. We should have seen them. I do. I have the same question. seems like okay we should have seen them i i do i have a question uh but he goes he finds the house and he sees toshio kind of looking out the window with a he's got a cut on his face and a bandage on his chin and he looks really sad and peter pushed like opens the door and goes in and he knocks and nobody answers and he goes in and he wants

to help this little boy and he goes in and finds the little boy in the bathroom near the bathtub kind of half hanging into the bathtub water and pulls him out and the

little boy just looks really sad and the cat's there too and he like pulls he pulls them both out and takes them into the living room sits them down it's like where's your where are your parents um uh toshio is not responding and he's just i guess gonna wait there for his parents to return and he's kind of looking out the window, looking to see if they're coming back. And we see Toshio behind him, his mouth open real wide, and let out a big meow. Oh, no. And he doesn't even react to this. Peter doesn't react.

He's like, oh, the cat's meowing. Doesn't even turn around. He's still looking out the window. Sure. kind of give him this new information that she found this photo of peter who died the morning after the family was killed and this is the photo that she found in the diary and detective nakagawa says i don't think that he committed suicide um three years ago my colleagues were investigating those those murders, the deaths at that house, and two of them died and one, death stays with that place and death becomes part of that place and there's no escaping it. And Karen's kind of like, well, I've been in that place and so have you. So we need to fucking figure this out.

And Detective Nakagawa is looking a little defeated at this point and it looks like karen's got a little more uh fire and will to kind of solve this mystery and uh then we see detective nakagawa back at in his office at his desk looking through photos of him with what we presume are the colleagues that died and look like they were all good friends. He's looking really sad and scared that this is also after him now. And he decides that he's going to go burn the house down. So we see him getting some jugs of gasoline and going into the house. And as he goes in, he hears a little boy crying. And so he sets down his jugs of gasoline and goes into the bathroom.

And we see Toshio drowning in the bathtub. And he reaches in, pulls him out, and tries to save him. And as he does, we see a man behind Detective Nakagawa. And he turns and the man, I think, has a box cutter, our favorite. And it just cuts away this movie cuts away every single time there's something like a murder happens at all and you know what i think it's pg-13 and i think that's why i think they wanted it to be PG 13. And so it's also probably why it's like not as scary is because it's it's just, yeah, leaving the implication of violence without being able to really show anything to graphic. OK, that makes sense. That's right. Interesting.

makes sense that's right interesting um so karen gets home and doug's not there and she's looking around where's doug and she sees that she has a voicemail on her uh message machine and presses it and it's doug and he says hey karen i just didn't know where you were all day today. Did you go to that house? She says, I'm going to go there. I'm going to see if you're there. No. No. Doug, no. And Karen is really not pleased to hear it. She panics. She runs out of the house. We see Doug in the house going in.

He is on the phone calling her again again and we see that old the old shadow moving behind him that he doesn't notice um we go back to karen running as fast as she can makes it to the house and she goes in and is calling doug doug doug he't respond. And she walks up the stairs and the lighting changes from night to day. And she sees Bill Pullman. And it's like she is now going

into the past and she is witnessing the events of that day. And she's looking very confused, but she's she's following and following Bill Pullman and we see I mean when you're going after a mystery and it just presents itself you're gonna

keep seeing what's up you're gonna keep seeing what's up that's right thank you so much spirit realm I would love to know the answer um so she sees Peter um has gotten uh Toshio kind of situated in his room. And then Peter leaves Toshio in the room and wanders into the back room of this house.

And it seems like all of the family photos of the three of them, the wife's face has been ripped out of all of them. And he's kind of brushing through all these photos, like all of them are the same. And underneath this pile of photographs is the journal that Karen found later. the journal that karen found later and he opens it and it is um kayako's journal and it just is all about peter it's like i love peter peter peter peter it's like a like a fifth grade girl's like notebook of just like hearts peter i love peter peter and kayako forever oh it's very interesting i mean so she became obsessed with him the husband found out killed her and the son seems seems that way but he doesn't even remember having her as a student i would have liked a little more backstory into how this obsession developed personally. Yeah.

Especially that's so deeply one-sided. Like, was she a student and he just doesn't remember? Or what happened? Yeah, I have questions. But yes, she's obsessed with him. And he kind of sets that down and goes over to the closet in this room and sees that all of the faces that have been torn out of the photos are pinned on the closet door so it's just like a bunch of her little faces and he hears something and opens the closet door again finds that false top slides it aside and kayako's dead body falls out of it and not a ghost her actual corpse that is wrapped in a shower curtain or something looks like it has been really sliced with that block box

cutter um very gruesome falls falls down on him he freaks out runs out of the house oh he well and again karen is still like following all of this and sees him open the door to the room that toshio is in and just have a look of horror on his face and kind of stumble out close that door and he runs downstairs and runs out of the house leaves the house. And Karen is still in the house and opens Toshio's door to see what he saw. And we see the father hanging and just swinging, and he has hung himself. And Toshio is, I believe, still downstairs drowned in the bathtub. Oh, and Karen gets little flashes even more. The spirit realm is really laying it out for her here. I love it.

Thank you, spirit realm. And so she gets even more little flashes now just shown to her. And we see, yes, that the father found this diary, went crazy, ripped her face out of all these photos, killed her. And we see him grab the cat and drown the cat, too, and drown the son in the same bathtub. And then, yeah, he drowns both the son and the cat in the bathtub and then hangs himself. He's he's the worst. He's awful. And he's the worst.

And so the boy that that peter was interacting with was already that was already ghost version yeah yeah okay also i mean i get it it's a horror movie this is what has to happen but under no circumstances do you enter a stranger's home see a diary all about you and them being obsessed with you and then you keep exploring about you and them being obsessed with you and then you keep exploring. I know. Also, I guess he killed himself so he doesn't care

about being found out, but it's very funny to be like, here, she's in here. Here's all the pictures of her face. The corpse is in here. Look, detectives, here's the body. It's right here. This is the death closet of the woman. Here's her face. Well, this guy clearly wasn't thinking very logically. i don't think he was thinking

with a clear head not a clear head no and then it comes back to present day karen is up in the house and it kind of the lighting changes back to nighttime uh she goes downstairs she's still looking for doug can't find him and we see her pass a mirror and her reflection is kayako the ghost the bad bad version the bad one and she knows she like notices that like from her peripheral vision that that is not wasn't right and turns to kind of face this mirror in a moment of bravery. She's kind of like a show yourself type moment. Staring into this mirror. I know something bad is going to happen. And then a hand grabs her ankle.

And it's Doug. And she looks down and grabs him. Doug, Doug, are you okay? He does not look okay. He looks... I mean, he's not... No cuts or bruises or anything But he looks stunned similarly

To how a lot of them have looked Throughout the movie it's interesting that First the ghost just really gives you a Good scare and they're like just sit with that For a little bit and I'm gonna come back And then we'll kill you I'll kill you in a little bit but first you're just really Gonna have a bad day

Um and So she's kind of trying to get doug like figure him out and then she starts hearing something coming from upstairs and looks at the staircase and we see a hand come out from around the corner, a bloodied hand, and start pulling itself forward. And we see Kayako's head and arms. She is crawling down the stairs in a very kind of unnatural way. She's in her little shower curtain again, kind of bloodied, but still ghosty version, crawling down the stairs. It's very scary. ghost ghosty version crawling down the stairs is very scary and um karen looks very scared and it's kind of pushing away from her kind of trying to drag doug out of the house but

can't isn't strong enough and uh as she she just tries to open a door and Kyako's face is right there in the door. She's a ghost. She doesn't have to be. She can go wherever she wants. Yeah. And so then, yeah, she looks back at the staircase. Kyako's gone. And then she looks down and Doug turns into Kyako.

It's just like all of a sudden Kyako is in her arms. Oh, no. it's just like all of a sudden kayako is in her arms oh no and uh she actually wait first sorry there's the first kayako gets down and she crawls on top of doug so so karen can't get away fast enough and can't drag Doug away fast enough. And Kayako comes down and kind of gets on top of Doug. And Karen is just watching in horror. And she just basically lowers herself like face to face with Doug. And you see Doug's face, like just the color, like and you see Doug's face like just the color like drain out of Doug's face and his

head kind of flops to the side kind of looking at Karen and Doug has died and Karen watches it and screams and is trying to get away and and then sees Kayako in the door frame and then sees Kayako in the door frame.

And then Kayako disappears for a second, and she runs to Doug to try to hold him. And then she's holding his dead body and is looking up and looking for help. And then the dead body turns into Kayako. Oh, that's really mean. That's really mean. And kind of screams up at her like

and uh karen sees the jugs of gasoline and is like okay we gotta burn this fucker down and kind of it's close so she has she has like knocked she just not reaches and knocks them over while she's kind of fighting with Kayako and gets a lighter and Kayako grabs her wrist to stop her from throwing it but she just drops it and she spilled enough gasoline now that she just can drop the lighter and it lights on fire and the screen goes to white. And again, yep, just cutting right at the moments, the climactic moments. And then we're at the morgue the next day. And two doctors, I guess, are saying, you know, male in his 20s. doctors I guess are saying you know male in his 20s and

we were able to save the house which is great news but he didn't make it and there was one other survivor a woman and they're like how did she survive and he's like we're still doing our investigation like we're not sure

and we see Karen in a hospital gown looking catatonic-ish, kind of walking down the hallway towards this morgue to ID Doug's body, I guess. And they let her in. And as she kind of slowly approaches it, body twitches underneath it's still under a little blanket and a woman's hand and hair fall down from under the blanket that look a lot like kayako's hand and nasty hair and she does a little double take and it is a man's hand. It is Doug's hand and she pulls it down and it is Doug and maybe she was just imagining it and then she

hears that one wasn't as good but and we see standing right behind her is Kayako and she screams and zooms in on Kayako's eyes, doing her.

And that's the end of the movie. Oh, my God. Those motherfuckers. Okay. I have a nitpick, which is, wouldn't the husband be the one to come back? Because wasn't he the one really enraged? That's what I was kind of thinking too but maybe also sorrow because i think that was one thing that the detective threw in was like also i guess sorrow it would depend too if he killed the

son and cat before he killed kayako then that she could be rageful. Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, that's the I was thinking that too. So maybe she watched him. But why would he kill the kid first? That's not nice. Also, Kayako. Why would he kill the kid at all? I mean, that doesn't make any sense. I get it. I get you've been

you've been wronged, but also your problem's not with these people. I don't think. Kayako, why? You can't. I guess she has become this entity. Right. That's not her anymore.

It's an evil spirit. Yeah, but there's a few more grudge movies. There's a grudge two and a grudge three, I think. So maybe there's answers there. There might be answers there. Do you think Kayako's in those?

Probably be dissatisfying as we know answers in horror movies to be. But damn, that would have been, that would have scared the hell out of me. Yeah. I mean, I would have scared the hell out of me too. But yeah, even with the cutaways, that's freaky, freaky. Freaky, freaky. You know what's weird though? Is that like still though it's the real

life things that are the scariest it's like absolutely for some reason for some reason sarah michelle geller going in and seeing like the house being dirty and emma like not having like fallen out of the bed and all of that that like scares me more than kyoko scares me because it's like so sad to think about someone like not being able to take care of themselves and being alone and like trying to get help and not being able to help themselves. That's so sad and scary. Yeah. But yeah, I'm glad we finally freaking did it. Finally freaking did the grudge.

The big one. This is a horror mainstay. Yeah, it's a must see. Is that a word? Yeah. It is now. Yeah. Sammy, thank you for walking us through that film. Now we know.

Now Emily and I can be part of the cultural conversation around the grudge when we go back in time. The grudge is being talked about right now. And we can participate. Just bring it up. 10 minutes, go around to all of our friends and like, hey, remember the grudge?

Me too. Anyway. Wait, have you seen the grudge? It is pretty funny out of context. Oh, boy. We know what noise we got. We know a spooky noise. We know what noise. We know what noise we got We know a spooky noise We know what noise Tony has

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