Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE SHINING with Ginger Gonzaga

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

An extremely haunted hotel, an abusive husband and father, and an all-too-casual warning that a previous caretaker murdered his whole family here - we're recapping Stanley Kubrick's The Shining. Ginger Gonzaga (Living With Yourself, Kidding, Your Day) joins us to talk about this horror masterpiece. Stephen King hates it so we LOVE IT! Come play with us... Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, a little less scared than usual this week, going to be honest. Wow. That's a big deal. Henley just as scared as usual. I'm Sammy and I am brave. Brave today. Brave. Always. Every day.

Yeah. I mean, that's a bold statement. No, you're like my very bravest friend, maybe. I don't know. Wow. What an honor. Well, did anything scary happen to any of us this week? Okay. I have one, I guess, which is that I got up at 530 in the morning on Saturday to run a race. Yeah.

And I don't know why I signed up for it, but I did months ago thinking that I would train for it. And then the day came faster than I was expecting. And luckily, it's over. Long story short. Did you get first place? Yeah, I got first place.

Obviously, I got first place. It's scary how good I am at running. That's what it is. There it is. That's what it is. There it is. That's what I was trying to get to. Yeah. I started watching Castle Rock, which is the show. That's all like Stephen King related. And so my scary thing is that am I starting to like Stephen King?

Oh, no. Listeners of the pod will know that we have a longstanding dislike of Stephen King. We do. People keeping up. We have a beef with Stephen King. Bill Hader has a beef with us. And that's the beef cycle of this podcast. Tammy, if that's the case, I don't know how much longer we can, you know.

Have you here? Have you on this podcast to find a new brave person? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know. Emily and I are going to on this podcast to find a new brave person? Yeah. Well, you know. Emily and I are going to vote you out. As we do every week, we take a vote. I'm seeming to only like the on-screen adaptations of Stephen King. Okay, that's fair. So maybe it's not him that I

like. It's, you know, the directors and actors. Yeah, okay. We can live with that. I can accept that. Is Castle Rock good? You really like it? I really like it. Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess my scariest thing is that Henley likes Stephen King or sorry, Sammy. Henley, how would I do that to you? My scary thing is, well, it's not really scary yet, but I think it will be is that Daylight Savings Time ended. Oh yeah, that's a good one. And I really hate when that happens. I hate it. I truly, last week,

I thought about it. I remembered it and got really panicked. Which I think is what seasonal affective depression is what we're talking about here. But I really hate it so much and I'm nervous about it. But it's here and I have to live with it and that's life.

We'll see. We will see. Well, well well this week's movie transition from seasonal affective depression to is it seasonal affective depression disorder i think it's disorder right it is or is it depression i mean it's technically depression in my head i was like it's seasonal affective disorder but head I was like, it's seasonal affective disorder, but then I was like, but it's depression, really. Anyway, either way, I think I have it and I hate it. I definitely have it.

Yeah, I have a happy life. I mean, you live in California, so it could be worse. You know, a lot of people have it worse. Well, this movie takes place all in the winter, so that's a little segue. There you go, you found it. My character might be suffering from SADS a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah. This week's movie is The Shining. 1980 Stanley Kubrick film directed by Stanley Kubrick, written by Stanley Kubrick and Diane Johnson, based on the Stephen King novel, starring Jack Nicholson, Shelley Duvall, Danny Lloyd, and Scatman Crothers. It's just a very fun name. And here to talk about it with us is an actor, writer, director, all around wonderful person, Ginger Gonzaga. Hi, guys.

Hi, Ginger. Thanks for having me. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being here. Ginger, did anything scary happen to you this week? Oh my goodness. Two things. I experimented with contouring.

Went to a meeting. I never contour my face. And literally this girl did my makeup and I used she had me use a darker concealer to contour my face. And I'm like, before this very important meeting, let me just get wild with this. And I just kind of half-assed it like really quick in my apartment. And then when I left the meeting, I was like, ginger.

I saw like an image of myself in my car mirror. It was terrifying. And now I think I'm like one of those YouTube people that are like overly contouring. I really liked her, but what was up with her face? What's up with her neck? Her neck is a different color than her face. Or it just looks like stage makeup or something. Yeah, I'm like, I'm going to my play after this.

You know, theater in LA is a thing. Yes, yes. That's my horror story of the week. Oh my God. But Ginger, what's the scariest movie you've ever seen scariest movie I've ever seen even though I don't remember it it's whatever

happened to baby Jane and it's a really old movie and it's scary to me because my mom's insane and for some reason she always referenced that movie and then like as I grew up I was like oh wait that's kind of like my mom in that movie this movie where the daughter is like weirdly trapped somewhere and so I like as I grew up I was like oh wait that's kind of like my mom in that movie this movie where

the daughter is like weirdly trapped somewhere and so like when I think about it in hindsight I'm like oh that's my daughter. Is that me? She was just like oh our documentary is this horror film. I've never heard of that movie. It's so old. I've heard of it but only by name

alone. Yeah and I vaguely remember it like someone's trapped in a room, like either the daughter or the mom and like, and they just wear like, I think it's like keeping the child young and then she wears like, she's like old and so she has like drawn on like, you know, 1960s mascara that's like really too long to make her look kind of

like a doll. It's maddening. Creepy. Do you like scary movies generally? I don't. I feel like I don't know. I feel like, I don't know. I feel like, well, The Shining I feel like is very cerebral. It actually is very scary because it's almost like too real. Some of the abuse and everything. And, but like, I don't go to like the regular, like it or, you know, those things.

I feel like a lot of people go to that stuff if they like need to feel. And then that gives them an emotion and it's a weird thing to be like i'll choose that to make me like you know some people really love that feel that like uncomfortable on that on edge feeling and not yeah i also really don't i don't i do not seek it out yeah yeah yeah i don't i'm feeling the exact same way and no i don't i don't like'm the exact same way. No, I don't. I don't like them. And I feel like one fun thing about doing this. I think what's fun about doing this podcast is that usually when people come on, they love scary movies. And so getting to hear them explain why it's like a fact finding mission.

Because I am so far from loving scary movies, except I do love to hear about them. Obviously. Do they live for as a consensus, are they people that have pretty tame lives and then are they scary movies? I don't know. We should ask people more personal questions. Are you boring

and therefore... What are you seeking out in your personal life? What's lacking for you? I don't think that's it. I think it's less of that and more like when people like roller coasters and they love the adrenaline rush of a roller coaster and I don't

I don't like it but I want to like it like I like to imagine myself being the kind of person who could watch a scary movie in fact I tried to watch one on Halloween I was like ready I was like I'm gonna watch a scary movie and then she chickened out and didn't do it but I think I might be getting closer Emily Halloween. I was like ready. I was like, I'm going to watch a scary movie. And then she chickened out and didn't do it. But I think I might be getting closer.

Emily, we're kind of like voyeurs. It does feel that way. It really does. We're just like experimenting with the idea of being that kind of person. All right, Scaredy Cats. It's cocktail hour. And this week's cocktail is a winter punch. We chose this drink because it is a red rum based cocktail. Red rum. Pretty clever. To make a winter punch you will combine one and a half

ounces of bourbon, three quarters an ounce of spiced rum, three quarters an ounce of disaronno, three quarters an ounce of disaronno a fifth an ounce of lemon juice and three quarters an ounce of cranberry juice you'll shake all ingredients with ice and fine strain into a chilled glass garnish with a luxardo maraschino cherry cheers here's a fun fact about this movie specific to to my life is I've seen it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen it, too.

But like a long time ago. And I can't really remember. I was going to say, Emily, you've called it the scariest movie. It is. The Shining. The Shining. And it's not just because I haven't seen many scary movies. Maybe it is. But it also is.

It's really scary. It is. Yeah. It's been a while. So I don't recall the details. I only recall being very scared. Well, after sitting down to watch it yesterday, I realized that I've never really sat down and watched it.

I've obviously seen like lots of scenes from it. It's a very famous movie. And so I had kind of imagined that I had seen it. And then there were parts I was like, oh, I've never seen this. Yeah. I've seen it like four times and I was rewatching it last night. And every time I'm like, I don't remember this scene at all. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's crazy. It's so profound. And then I'm like, that happened in this? It's a long movie, too. Yeah. Oh, I'm so excited to remember if I remember things. If I remember it.

Okay, wait. There was one thing. I wanted to read the Amazon description of this movie because it made me laugh. Oh, it is really funny. It made me laugh so hard. It's very funny. Okay. Amazon description of this movie because it made me laugh. Oh, it is really funny. It made me laugh so hard. It's very funny. Okay, so it says all work and no play makes Academy Award winner

Jack Nicholson, the caretaker of an isolated resort, go way off the deep end, terrorizing his young son and wife, Shelley Duvall. That is the most, first of all, that's bananas in so many levels. Because if you're actually, first of all, you can't quote the film

as part of the description that looks like it's a guy that just never works or that only he looks like a workaholic man yeah that's so bananas and his wife Shelley Duvall let's not give character to any of these yeah there's like no separation between

character and actor yeah that's funny oh man I really liked that really made me laugh um and then some other trivia i know is just that stephen king hates this movie well then good i'm glad we all love it i like it we all love it why does he hate it does anyone know he just thought it was too far not close enough to his book. Again, he changed the whole ending. Stephen King, notoriously bad at endings.

Oh, I wonder what the book ending is. Do you know? The book ending is the whole hotel blows up. Oh, that's lame. Who wants that? Yeah, no, no, no. That's pretty annoying. More trivia? More trivia. Yeah. Okay, this is a fun one.

To get Jack Nicholson in the right agitated mood, he was only fed cheese sandwiches for two weeks, which he hates. I read that one. It's so funny. The key to being in a bad mood and playing a psycho is to be completely constipated. Honestly, that would be

just cheese. That would be upsetting. Hard cheddar only. and I'm probably wrong because I don't fact check we don't fact check but I feel like when we do this podcast I've heard so many stories and also in the world about actors

male actors being like make me uncomfortable make me fucking sick so I can do this movie and here's the thing everyone has their own process and all of these we're talking about Robert Pattinson we're talking about Jack Nicholson we're talking about the fucking

Alex Wolf and so like you did your job those movies are great you did a great job but like what's your deal why do you have to take it so far to be like i'm so serious about this movie that i will make you feed me something i hate for two weeks it's more like i'm not good enough as an actor yes i need you to blah blah blah or like i am i am so important i am so important oh it's like in the writer

it's yes it's so i think it's Yes, it's so, I think it's I love Jack Nicholson if you're listening. I'm not your career. Okay, carry on. Obviously, great. Great. I personally it's, I guess it's a pet peeve. We'll call it that. I think it's a little stupid. I will say that that's kind of good that Jack Nicholson

can't naturally just tap in being an abusive shit. True. This is true. You know what I mean? He's like, you know, this isn't my normal tone. Yeah, that's a nice way of looking at it. Yeah, so let me eat some cheers. That's a lot more empathetic. I like that. That is probably to a fault. That's a good one.

Do we want another one? Yeah, we want another one. Well, I've read this before that Shelley Duvall did not have a good experience. Yes. On this. Never good to the women in these horror films. What's the one with Mia Farrow?

Oh, Rosemary's Baby. And then who is that? That's the guy who raped a 13 year old. Oh, yes. Yes. Roman Plansky. Yeah. Roman Plansky.

Yeah. The monsters are her. Yeah. Go figure. That checks out. Yeah. On brand. Yeah.

She suffered from nervous exhaustion throughout filming including physical illness and hair loss it was really bad over here like yeah give me another committed to his art yeah that sucks i don't i don't like that one bit very sad be kind to everyone i know let's just be kind to everyone on set and that includes jack nicholson and i'm sorry jack we'll be kind to everyone on set. And that includes Jack Nicholson and I'm sorry, Jack. We'll be kind to you too. And then the other just little fun fact. Apparently the infamous Here's Johnny

scene, which, you know, we'll get to, took three days to film and the use of 60 doors. Oh, wow. Oh, for the axe? For the chopping through the door, yeah. Could he not hit his mark? He could not hit his mark. Too constipated.

Too constipated. Listen, if there's one thing we've learned, too much cheese, you can't use your arms properly with an axe. And that's why we don't go too hard on the cheese. That's it. That is it. All right. Should we watch this trailer?

Let's do it. Yeah. I'm so curious what it's going to be like. Here we go. trailer let's do it i'm so curious what it's gonna be like um here we go i don't suppose they uh told you anything in denver about the tragedy we had up here during the winter of 1970 i heard a man named charles grady is the winter caretaker from what i've been told i mean he seemed like a completely normal individual but at some point during the winter, he must have suffered some kind of a complete mental breakdown. He ran amok and killed his family.

Well, you can rest assured, Mr. Oman, that's not going to happen with me. That's right. Okie dokies. All right. I'll give you the character names. Yeah, let's do it. We got Jack Torrance It's Jack Nicholson

Oh that's easy Um Shelley Duvall is Wendy Torrance Danny Lloyd is Danny Torrance So Danny's Danny Jack is Jack Easy peasy Easy

And um Scatman Crothers is Dick Halloran Okay I'll just tell you people's names As we go to Scatman See that's a That's not a real name

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and he is interviewing to be the caretaker for the winter months. So for five months, they closed down the whole hotel because it's too expensive to keep the roads open. So he's in the interview with the hotel owner guy and he's like,

well, just so you know, this was the whole opening scene of the trailer where he's like, don't know if you heard, but like. Gotta be honest with you. But there was one of our one of our groundskeepers did go crazy and kill his whole family. And that's no big deal. But I don't want you to be aware. Did they tell you back where you live normally before you drove all the way out here?

Oh, OK. OK. They didn't. Well, I'll fill you in now. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah. No worries. Does he ask why or like any more details or is he just like that won't happen to me? He's pretty like immediately like, yeah, you don't

got to worry about me. Like I'm looking for some rock solid isolation. Yeah, he's a writer. And so he's like, I've got I've had writer's block and I need this exactly what I'm looking for some peace and quiet like this will be great yeah

no that's not a good idea obviously obviously but by the way he wasn't really a writer right wasn't he just starting to dabble like that's what I gleaned from watching it most recently that's interesting yeah like he like is fancying himself a writer.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that was his job before. Right. Yeah. Because he's not like all my other books that I've read. Yeah.

Yeah. And he's starting to write. He's just decided he's going to write. And he's like, it's a good inspiration to be completely alone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

This is this might be revisionist history, but I'm going to roll with it. We don't do facts, including the plot of the movie. There's Muppets. It's whatever we decided is our show. Yeah. And then we get a scene of Wendy and Danny at home

being like, or Danny's like, do you really want to move to the hotel for the winter mom and she's like oh yeah sure like I think it'll be fun and they're gonna pull him out of school and like homeschool him during this time he might be young and he looks so young maybe he's not in school yet oh okay

I think he is this is a film about child neglect yeah this kid didn't get his education so dad wanted to write a book decided he was a writer on way i decided he was a writer that's definitely more important go work at this hotel yeah um yeah because if he was actually a writer he wouldn't need to be have this job right yeah right right right right smart guys he needs the hotel job he needs a hotel job. He needs a hotel job. He's a writer. So then we meet Tony, which is Danny's little finger voice. So he moves his little finger and he's like, Tony doesn't want to go to the hotel.

His imaginary friend. Yeah. Yeah. And Tony is saying he doesn't know why, but he doesn't want to go to the hotel. Yeah. But then he like tells the kid why. And the kid like what? Pres, presumably had a seizure or something? He gets like visions where we get the like famous like blood pouring down the elevator shot.

Yeah. And a quick little shot of the two little girls. He gets that before they go to the hotel? Is it a video? Oh, okay. Just like a quick little shot. Yeah shot he like passes out and they have to have the lady come yeah the like doctor okay yeah

so then is he epileptic I guess well well we'll get there sorry I don't want to get ahead not to jump ahead not to jump ahead so yeah the doctor comes and he has yeah like passed out from this thing and she's like

oh like I don't think it's anything to worry about but like keep an eye on him and when did he start talking to Tony yeah to his finger when did that happen when did he start with that I'm concerned about that and Wendy is like

oh it was like about the time that he started school. It was a tough transition for him. And he had the injury. Oh, yeah. And she's like, what was the injury? And she's like, oh, it was just like could have happened to anyone type of thing. Could have happened to anyone type of thing.

Basically, Jack got home from work one day and Danny had gotten into his stuff and it was everywhere. And so Jack pulled him up by the arm. Yeah. And just didn't know. Oh, and that he was drunk at this time. He came home drunk and like just pulled harder than he should have and dislocated his shoulder. Oh my god. And then like she's like but since then you know he stopped drinking and

we haven't neither of us have drank for five months or whatever. Yeah it's only five months of sobriety. I was like oh that's just a beginning phase. We've been cured. That's not necessarily temporary. I mean permanent. We're cured. Oh, the poor little kid. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

So, yeah. Some history of abuse and drama there. Yep. And then I think they pack up and head to the hotel. He got the job and they're doing it. They get there and get the, like, tour and we meet what's his name? Dick Halloran?

Scatman Crothers? Scamman. Scamman Crothers? Scamman Crothers. That's the black guy who can shine? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. What's his role at the hotel? He's the head chef.

Oh, yeah, the head chef. The head chef. Okay. He's giving them a tour of the kitchen, and him and Danny have like a little moment. Yeah. Where Danny hears him talking to him without him talking like a little telepathic moment. Yeah, they're having their

telepathic exchange. And he knew the kid's nickname and they're like how do you know his nickname? Dog. And then the guy's like, oh shoot. Because he outed himself. And he's like, I don't know. He looks like one. He looks like a dog. He looks like a dog. Wow. Right away outed himself. That didn't take long at all.

And then he like telepathically asked the boy if he wants ice cream. What? Sure. Okay. Cool. And then while they're getting, the parents are getting a tour of I think the rest of the place. He's

sitting with Danny and talks to him about it. And it's like, so did you know how I knew knew your nickname was Doc? And he's like, oh, I'm not supposed to talk about this. He's like, oh, I bet. He's like, I remember when I was a little boy and I thought I was the only one. But I call it or my grandma called it the shining. Yeah. Oh, wow.

An ability to shine. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, well, Tony says I'm not supposed to talk about it. And he's like, who's Tony? And he says, Tony's the little boy that lives in my mouth. Yeah. And hides in his stomach.

And I really. That was pretty spooky. Yeah. Also, it sounded like the other guy, the chef has telepathic powers, but he doesn't have a demon in his body. Right. So then he's hearing this kid be like, oh but he doesn't have a demon in his body right so then he's hearing this kid be like oh but you also have a demon in your body he's kind of like a little concerned like yeah he's like and i think danny in this conversation is like is this place bad because he's had like these feelings about the place. And Halloran says places are like people.

Some shine and some don't. And so this place can have more of a like shadow of previous events that happened. So like essentially like it's haunted. Yeah, it's haunted. An echo of all the scary stuff that's happened. Yeah. And obviously really scary things have already happened. Yeah.

They should turn around and go home. Yes. And obviously really scary things have already happened. Yeah. So they should turn around and go home. Yes. And Danny's like, what happened in room 237? And he's like, nothing. Like, don't go in room 237. Oh, God. That always works.

Yeah. And yeah, then I think they are left to their own. Yeah, left to live on their trip there. Yeah. And it's like. So the head chef leaves. Everyone leaves except that. Yeah, the whole staff of the entire hotel is like, OK, bye. But then the chef is like, oh, shoot, we've got this telepathic kid that is living in

the haunted place and also has a demon in his body. So he's thinking about it while he's gone. Yeah. And then Danny's in like another downstairs room and sees the two little girls. Oh, yeah. And they don't say anything. They just look at him. They're holding hands. Very

creepy. And he's real scared. And they just like walk away. And he's like, OK. Yeah. And then I feel like pretty quickly Jack like starts to lose it Oh he's a monster right away It's like instantly and he's always an asshole

He's always an asshole He's always abusive Yeah okay And Shelly's always scared She's always like timid he's in total control Right and even there's this scene Where like he's writing and she's Like how's it going and that's

when you can really tell like she's almost checking in like how's this new stupid endeavor that you're doing because it's like yeah is this an option for you you know and he's like super mad and really mean to her and then just like anyone in an abusive relationship she's like all right well i'll bring some sandwiches in an hour yeah and he's like don't bring sandwiches let me explain this to you every time you come in here you break my concentration and then i have to start all over again so just when i'm in here like leave me alone yeah get the fuck out of here and he like swears it's like crazy so mean and scary does she act like it's like normal kind of i mean she doesn't she's experienced it yeah yeah yeah but she's she's like okay and leaves and i think her and danny like go and play in the the big maze

yeah there's like an enormous maze that really stressed me out like right off the bat i was like i wouldn't want to go in this maze because under these circumstances but i was thinking even if it if it like was at a park that i was at i'd be like i'll be skipping the maze thing because mazes are lost and yeah i don't like that oh but it's so profound hold on i'm having a thought wait it takes 30 seconds for me to retrieve. Hold on. It's in there. It's in there. No, but it's, she's trapped in an abusive relationship. And it's like she's trapped in that maze. Yes, yes, yes. It's the same thing of like wanting to get out, but it's like, which way do you? Where do you even start?

Yeah. I'm already in here. Yeah. Right. I like that. Interesting. Right. I like that. Interesting.

And then they get like time is passing and they get their first like big snow storm. Phone lines go down. They're starting to get pretty pretty snowed in and Wendy uses the little radio to call the fire department because that's their only like communication and she's just

checking in with them and they're like oh yeah phone lines are down like probably going gonna be down for a while like it's pretty sorry crazy that's how it works at the Overlook Hotel yeah you're in there you're not gonna have contact with humans yeah right and so she's like okay and then Danny

is riding his little tricycle around the halls the shots are all very this I remember this is like what I remember being so scared by when I watched it. When I get really scared, I have to stand, as you guys know from when we watched trailers. That are scary. And I remember standing because I couldn't handle the tension

of like... Because the film's like his point of view, so you never see what's coming before he does. And it is so scary. He's turning each corner and you're like, what's going to be behind that corner? Something's going to be there. And then eventually there are the two spooky girls. And this He's turning each corner and you're like, what's going to be behind that corner? Yeah. And then eventually there are the two spooky girls.

Yeah. And this is when they go, come play with us, Danny. And I think they say, come play with us forever. Oh, God. I think so. Oh, no. Not a good sign and then he gets a vision of their dead bodies in the

hallway and like having been chopped up with like an axe they're the daughters of the previous caretaker that has gone that went mad and then while this is happening like Jack Nicholson is having like random either flashbacks

or fantasies of... As if the Overlook Hotel is in full swing. Yes. Like he goes to the bar. Yeah, and he's really well respected and running the place. Yes, yes, yes. So he goes to the bar

and everything's like... When they were first giving him a tour. They were like all the alcohol. We take all the alcohol away during the winter because that way we don't have to like maintain the liquor license or whatever. And so he's like sitting at the bar and it's empty and no alcohol. And he's like, oh, what I what I wouldn't give for for alcohol right now. And then the like bartender magically appears and all the liquor appears and he starts drinking bourbon

and yeah he's just spiraling but it's just obviously he's hallucinating right yeah or and this is where maybe not fans are gonna be so mad at me but is it like is he that character

or is he the new version of that person right there is like a question because at the end you get some new information that might make some of this make more sense yeah we'll get to it but yeah he's basically like not doing any writing at all he's

he's no he's like family I hear him doing anything Wendy's like family I heard I'm doing anything Wendy's like doing all the light in the heaters and maintaining everything she's cooking all the meals she's like cleaning and he's just like throwing a ball against a wall

or like staring out the window blank faced and or like sitting in the bar imagining like having conversations with the bartender he is not contributing at all the hotel and not getting paid. This is some classic shit. Yeah. Super classic.

No. Then Danny finds the door to room 237 open. And then it cuts to Wendy kind of doing the work and she hears Jack screaming and like runs to cuts to Wendy kind of doing the work and she hears Jack screaming

and like runs to downstairs to where he is and he's having like a nightmare and she like wakes him up she's like it's okay it's okay and he was like I was having the most terrible nightmare I dreamt that I killed you and Danny but not just like killed

you like I cut you up into tiny little pieces and it's like very unsettling and upsetting and then um is she worried at this point she's like oh maybe he will do that this seems like a bad sign yeah um yeah i think she's like death i mean she's definitely like walking on eggshells around him all the time she's like very afraid of him and he is coming unglued more and more but then also Danny at the same time happens

to be injured so then she hears this like sob story from him and then she sees her injured kid and she's like wait yeah how did that happen yeah so Danny comes downstairs and has like bruises around his neck and like a handprint bruise. And then, yeah, she like turns to Jack and is like, you did this.

You did this because obviously like no one else is there. No one else is there. And he like looks very incensed and it's like, oh, how could you think that? But I mean, why wouldn't you? How could you not? How could you not? Oh, so then he's like back in the bar, complaining to the bartender about his wife and kid. Yeah.

He's always like, it's always their fault. And it's just awful. Yeah. Such an asshole. Jack, Jack, there's someone else in the hotel because Danny has told her that the person who hurt him was a crazy woman in room 237. Yeah. So she goes down to tell Jack. Jack goes to check it out. So he goes into room 237 and goes into the bathroom and there is a woman in the bathtub.

She's naked. I remember this now woman in the bathtub. She's naked. I remember this now. She is naked. She's naked. She's beautiful. She's a babe. She is. And she slinks out of the bathtub very sensually.

She's like seducing Jack Nicholson. He's looking very interested. Yeah. They're making out eventually. They make out. And then they're like really making out. He's like holding her. And then he sees the reflection in the mirror.

And she's like an old corpse woman. That's like waterlogged. Like what are her like. She's got like holes. Yeah. Like she has been in like the bathtub for so long that her skin has fallen off. It's so nasty. Gross, gross, gross, gross.

So he's making out with a dead body. Or is she even there at all? Or is she there? It's just a vision. Right, right, right. Okay. Either way. Either way.

Spooky. All gross. All gross. Or is it like a shadow of the you know what I mean like it's kind of real because it's another reality another dimension right like in this dimension like a vision into the

past or something I don't know that's gonna hurt my head if I think too much it's a lie yeah what is this a growth of that body and you don't give a dead person just don't do that but so he then like goes downstairs or goes back to their bedroom and she's like well did you find her and he's like no like there's nothing nothing there crazy everything was normal for me yeah

everything's fine didn't make out with the corpse that's for sure um and then she's worried about danny and she's like well then we need to like take Danny like out of here, like to a doctor if he's seeing things and like hurting himself. Yeah. She's just trying to take care of her kid. Yeah. Cause then Jack is like, if she's like, well, if the lady didn't do it and if you didn't do it, then how did he get hurt? And Jack's not trying to troubleshoot any of this.

No. She's the only parent. Right. Yeah. And, and he's like, well well he must have done it to himself and and she's like well then I think we need to like that's not a good option right yeah and she's like well then

I think we need to like take him to see someone and he's like that is so fucking typical like you just I finally have a good thing going and like do you though bro like who's your publisher what's this shit about you know like why is she the source And like, do you though, bro? Like, who's your publisher? What's this shit about? What's the plan? You know, like, why is she the source of your problems?

Yes. Yeah. She is a real monster. Yeah. And yeah, just like lays it on her and is like, you've fucked up my life like until now. And like, I'm not letting you fuck it up anymore. Blaming her for all his shit.

He's blaming her for all his shit. And then he goes back to his bar and it's like a full ballroom filled with people. Yeah. And he gets his drink. He's like, I'll take my usual from my imaginary bartender friend. And then he's like walking and bumps into a waiter who spills something on him. He's like, oh, sir, sir, I'm so sorry. Like, let's go to the bathroom and I can help you get cleaned up.

And they go to the bathroom and he's cleaning them up. And then he's like, Jack asks him his name. And he's like, oh, the name's Grady. And he's like, Grady. And he's like, well, I know who you are. Like, you're the previous caretaker that killed your wife and children. And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about, sir. Like, I think he says you've always been the caretaker here.

OK. Oh, before this. Also, when the when the room two, three, seven thing happened, we cut to Scatman Crothers at home. He's in Florida for the winter and he gets like the shining or whatever. He gets like a moment of a message that something bad is happening. And so he's like trying to call the hotel. Phone lines are down. He calls the fire department and they're like okay like give us a call back

we'll call them on the radio and so he's just starting to get a little nervous nice that the shining works across state lines yeah and yes yeah yeah yeah convenient and he's trying to get there to save them and then meanwhile in the vision that jack nichols isn't is having the guy

is conveniently like being super racist and he's like, that chef, that N-word chef is trying to... Yeah, exactly. He's like, are you aware that your son is trying to bring this person here and ruin everything

and like, they need a talking to. Your wife and son need a talking to. And if you don't mind me saying, I think they might need a little bit more than a talking to. Yeah, to be taken care of. Oh no! They gotta get e-cored. And so

then he calls back the fire department. Or no, the fire department is calling them and Jack hears the radio coming through in the room. He's been warned. And just like comes in and obviously like disconnects the radio oh a smarter thing to do would have been to answer and say i'll find here yeah that's true but this guy can't even write a book he's a fucking idiot like you know um but so

then um halloran gets on a flight to color. He's like, OK, something is up. I got to go check this out. And then I think it's the infamous scene that they quoted in the Amazon description where Wendy walks down to see what he's been working on his masterpiece. Only fair. Yeah. Hi, hun. It has this little pet project of yours going hell since you decided to

be a writer apparently two months ago which also kept me spinning but apparently my husband's a writer um and he has like a full manuscript where every sentence is all work and no play makes jack a dull boy and all like formatted like differently on each page. I thought that's a nice touch, but someone had to like type all that up. Somebody had it off. That poor props person was like, this is making me insane. I would imagine.

But so she's, yeah, she's like, oh boy, like things are, he's not, he's really not okay. He's not well. And then of course he's like there behind her oh he didn't see her looking like she went and he wasn't there

and it was like unattended and then he like sneaks up behind her and she has a baseball bat with her because things have been bad yeah she's on the defense. Oh, wow.

Okay. And so she like sees him coming right as he gets there. And they have kind of a long conversation as he's kind of approaching, like trying to move closer to her. Yeah. She's kind of walking away. And she's like, I'm going to get the kid out of here.

So she's letting him know, like, I'm just going to bring him to safety, essentially. And we're getting out of here. So then he knows she's trying to leave. Yeah. Yeah. And he's I'm not going to be able to do a performance of this, but he's really like do your best.

Do your best. Stop swinging the bat. Stop swinging the bat. I'm not going to hurt you. He like eventually goes, I'm not going to hurt you. I'm just going to bash your like eventually goes I'm not gonna hurt you I'm just gonna bash your brains in And so she's like Swinging the bat at him

And then she like Let's not forget he's constipated The whole time That's his performance And there is a Rock of cheese in his He had three cheese sandwiches for lunch You can see it all over his face And And there is a rock of cheese in his. He had three cheese sandwiches for lunch.

Yeah. You can see it all over his face. And she she hits him in the hand and he kind of like falters for a second. And then she hits him pretty hard in the head, knocks him down and he like tumbles down the stairs and is unconscious. Yeah. And then the next shot is her dragging him into the like food storage locker whoa um because it has like a lock on the outside so she can lock him in there and she does that and he's inside he wakes up as as she's like locking him in but he's has like very much a concussion and it's not he's out of it and um he's like yelling at her through the door after a bit and he's like let me out of here and she's

like no like i can't do that she's like i'm taking the the snow plow we're getting out of here and he's like why don't you like go look in the garage and see if you can actually get out. Yeah. Electricity. Yeah. Yeah. And so she like he's like laughing and she runs out and checks and he's like cut wires in the car so they can't leave. God, he sucks.

He really sucks. And then while this is happening, you see that Dick Halloran is on it. Like, or did I say that he was on the flight? He's like driving up, rented a car, then rented a snowplow. And he's like on his way. Okay. Help is on the way. Help is on the way.

Coming all the way from Florida. I know. On his vacation. Yeah, on his vacation. Just to save some lives. I know. It's amazing. Yeah, interrupting his vacation just to save some lives.

That's amazing. And then in the food storage locker, Jack hears Grady's voice from the outside being like, you didn't do it. You didn't do what I told you to do. Like, you're messing this all up. And messing what up? Murdering your family. Okay, but what's the overall strategy here, guys? Just to create more ghosts for the hotel?

Yeah. Okay. Also, interesting how, I mean, because I still don't I mean, I guess you can debate like who that person is that's actually talking to him or is that someone just in Jack's mind?

But if it's in his mind It's like okay Jack has crazy people in his mind That tell him to do bad stuff and then Uh Danny has like a creature Right right they're like two different Yeah yeah two different sides

Someone also Demon in him Um but so then Yeah uh Grady is like If I let you out like someone also with a demon in him. Oh, God. Bad cycle. Grady is like, if I let you out, you promise you're going to actually kill your family this time? And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing I want more than to kill my

family. Jesus Christ. And so Grady lets him out. That's interesting. Unlocks the door, yeah. You hear the door unlocking, so that ghosts can open doors. And then the mom is like sleeping

in the room because she thinks Jack is locked in the food storage locker and finally she gets some long-needed rest. She's probably very tired from being scared her husband was going to kill her all the time. And then Danny is in the room with his little Tony finger going,

Red Ram, Red Ram, Red Ram. And walking around the room, picks up a knife. Emily, how much of this are you remembering? I'm remembering this part. A lot of it I'm not remembering. This part I remember and it is scary. I don't like knives are you remembering? I'm remembering this part. A lot of it I'm not remembering. Yeah. This part I remember and it is scary. I don't like knives, you know? That's true.

You don't like knives. And he like cuts his finger on the knife, but maybe just rubs the knife. I'm not sure. So then he grabs his mom's lipstick and is writing on the door, red rum. And then after he finishes writing it, he starts like yelling, red rum, red rum. And so his mom wakes up and sees the red rum reflection in the mirror which says murder.

And then right as she wakes up, Jack is banging down the door with an axe. And that's the classic scene. Yeah, it took 60 doors. Well, he has to axe through. Once you axe through a door, you need a new door. You gotta reset all that. 60 takes.

Yeah. That's a lot. 60 takes seems too many. Maybe we're talking, you know, different angles. There are two doors. There's the bedroom door and then the bathroom door. So he does the bedroom door.

I got 30 takes. Still a lot. A lot of takes. So they run into the bathroom, lock themselves in there. She opens the bathroom window and it's a teeny tiny little window and only

Danny can fit out the window. And so he slides out this nice little snow pile that's built up on the side of the building and he gets out and she can't fit. And so, yeah, this is the... He's now axing the bathroom door. She's in there really screaming, giving a very unsettling performance.

She's great. I thought she was great. And we get you know, Wendy, I'm home. That's what he says first and then gets it a little further, does the here's Johnny and

then is reaching his hand in and she like smacks it with the knife in a very funny way. And he like pulls it back yeah and then um you hear the snow snow plow coming um dick halloran and it like distracts jack enough that he like redirects and he leaves to go downstairs to kill whoever this person is trying to save his family because He's got to kill everybody. Yeah.

And then you see Dick Halloran walking in the lobby area, saying, like, hello? Is anyone here? And then they kill him. And then they kill him with an axe. I know. Such a sweet man. It was just immediate. He came all the way from Florida.

Oh my god, he killed. Right away. He just kills him in his chest with an axe. He came all the way from Florida. Oh my God, he killed. Right away. Right away. Killed him in his chest with an axe. He's like walking down this pathway. I wish his shining could have made him fucking see that. I know. Seriously.

That's heartbreaking. So he axes him in the chest. How weak? It's pretty instant. He did save Wendy, I'd say. Yeah, that's true. He did save Wendy, I'd say. Yeah, that's true. He did save Wendy. Because he distracted him enough. So the timing was

good, but he probably shouldn't have walked in like yelling hello. Also should have brought backup. Should have brought some backup. He maybe didn't know. He clearly didn't know. He was trying to keep it discreet, I guess. Yeah.

And when he dies, Danny feels it. And Danny is in a hiding place in the kitchen in a little metal cupboard. Very Jurassic Park feeling. And he screams when it happens because he feels it. Oh, like physically feels it? I think so.

I mean, at least like... Senses it. So, I mean, at least like, um, senses it. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's screaming and, um, he runs out of his hiding place. And I,

and I think Jack sees him and he was like, Danny. And he runs outside, out the front door of the hotel and Jack follows him. And then upstairs, Wendy is like trying to find where they are and she's running around and then these were the parts that I really

didn't remember she's like in the rooms part of the hotel and sees in one bedroom I did remember this and I was like when does that happen a like person in basically like a furry costume like giving someone head. Oh yeah.

That's like Kubrick. I was like I'm gonna throw this in there. I'm just gonna put this in for fun. Like a furry costume? Like an animal costume. And it has a butt flap that's open like in the lighthouse. His little butt's out. Oh what? Wow okay. It's weird.

It's very weird. Okay. And so she sees that. She freaks out. Runs the okay um and so she sees that she freaks out runs the other direction and as she runs down the the lobby of the hotel is completely covered in like cobwebs and spiderwebs and filled with skeletons like it's just oh i didn't remember that. Yeah. Me either. And then we're back to outside with Jack and Danny and Danny has run into the maze. Oh, you

knew that was going to happen. Yeah. But it is it is completely I mean, snowstorm like thick, thick snow and they are not properly dressed and Danny's running through and lots and he's chasing him with an axe

and Danny at some point realizes that I mean he's leaving footprints because snow and so he's like I can't outrun him because he's always going to know where I'm going to be oh god so he put two next to them and he was like, Jesus walks

with me in the snow. And then it becomes a Christian thing. Jesus is on my side. So Jack stayed. There were two footprints there. He starts like backwards stepping in his steps

and he backtracks a bit so that he can go to a side path while keeping it looking like his feet are going ahead. He's very smart. He kind of jumps out to a side path and then covers any tracks he left behind there

and then he starts he hides to wait for Jack to pass that spot and get confused and lose the trail. So he passes him. And then Danny takes the opportunity to run past him and go back the way he came out of the maze. Follow his own prance back out. And this whole time, Jack is like starting to maybe

have a heart attack or something. He's like the cold is getting to him. So he's starting to sensitive. He's starting to listen. He's psychopathic. He's not eating a balanced diet. When you're only eating cheese, you're keto.

You're only drinking invisible alcohol. You're not doing great. So he's, yeah, like falling, stumbling, kind of grunting and Danny gets out right as Wendy is running out of the front looking for him and

they get into the snow pile and start it up and drive away. Do they get away? They do. They do. Okay. He's chasing after them. He's trying to, but he's like losing. Yeah, he like is freezing, essentially.

And so then it cuts to a shot of the next morning and his frozen corpse just sitting. Oh, yeah. Sitting and So he froze to death, but they didn't. They somehow were able to not freeze to death. Well, they got in a snowplow. They got in a snowplow. I mean, he stayed here overnight. Yeah. No, but I mean like... He didn't

die like immediately, but he just wasn't able to catch up with them and then wasn't able to find his way out of the maze presumably to get back inside. Oh, he's stuck in the maze. That makes sense. Oh, got it, got it, got it. Mm-hmm. Um... Oh my god. So the only person who dies is Scatman.

Yeah. Poor Scatman. The black man always dies. Oh, that sucks. And then we get one more shot. It zooms in on a photo up on the wall of the lobby. And it's a 4th of July celebration in 1921. Kind of just a group of people.

In the hotel. In the hotel. Ballroom, yeah. Kind of just a group of people in the hotel. In the hotel ballroom. And it zooms in and front and center is Jack. What? I know. From 1921. Has he always been the groundskeeper? Yeah. The caretaker? Yes. There's some question of if it's a... That's interesting.

Yes. If it's like a reincarnation. If he is drawn back to this place in each new life. Or if he's always been there. Okay. Yeah. Wow. And now I want to rewatch it. Yeah, it's really good. That's wonderful. I

really enjoyed it. I did have a nightmare. You did? I did. What was your nightmare? It was of Jack being... He was like hiding under oh my god oh my god it was um two things mixed together oh no you guys are not gonna like it because part of it is real um there was my friend told me a story about a woman in los feliz who like a peeping tom like crazy person broke into her house and hid under her bed waiting for her and hid under the bed he had bought her lingerie laid it on the bed and wrote like a note yeah so

scary some free stuff oh come on he's not coming misunderstood he's not coming and was this recent i'll take it i think so yeah but they but they caught him um they didn't catch him then but they caught him the next night and she like identified Him but So yeah my dream last night was that Jack was under my bed Oh my god And I'm just realizing

Now that it's those two things mixed together Oh my goodness I've had a home intruder like that What? Yeah I'm home at like It's like 10 years ago When I was like still bartending And I came home at like, it's like 10 years ago when I was like still bartending. And I came home at like, you know, 2 or 3 a.m. And then I we had like a laundry room and then we had the kitchen. And then I walked through the laundry room and then shut the door.

And then I went to the kitchen and I'm talking with my roommate. And as I'm talking to them across this island, like Kitchen Island, I see in the laundry room window a man with a hood on like this yeah oh my god i'm like when did you and also to get in like he would have had to be like an inch away from me to sneak in before like i shut the door or he got i don't know how he got in whoa so then i'm talking to my roommate in the kitchen i can see this man hiding does he see him he he doesn't know what's going on and i'm like continuing to have the conversation and then I'm talking to my roommate in the kitchen. I can see this man hiding. Does he see him? Oh my God. He doesn't know what's going on. And I'm like continuing to have the conversation.

And then I'm like, like trying to like point like there's a man in the, in the thing. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And then my roommate was like super gay. But then I saw him conjure up all the testosterone that's ever been in his body in his entire life. And he grabbed a mop and then his voice dropped like 20 decibels. And hebels and he was like and then the guy ran out and he was like chasing him out with a mop and then we called the cops and they were like and i'm like what was that though like why is there a guy with a hood in my house like what is he just waiting for us to go to bed and

then what you know right and he was like oh yeah it's probably like a gang initiation probably supposed to rape you or something and i'm like god what are you gonna find him you know and they're like i mean we can't where is he so he's going somewhere else yeah i guess just not here but weirdly i had a dream last night that angelica houston was my mom and the only reason why i had that is because jack nicholson used to be married to her right right right i feel like this movie really only works with Jack Nicholson. Oh, yeah. It's kind of very important that he's this character. Yeah. He really is so good in it.

I wouldn't have put Harry Styles in that role. No, no. Be interesting. I do like looking at him. But I don't know that he has him. Maybe after some cheese sandwiches. Maybe. We don't know. We haven't seen him go to that place. Physically.

Wow. This was great. This is more of like an analysis than I feel like we've done on a film. And it was very nice. This movie, yeah. Like lends itself to that. Yeah. Yeah.

And the performances are so good. Everyone with a tiny part is so good. Yeah. Yeah. Emily, are we going to see it? I already seen it. It's been a while. It was very scary. Let's watch it together. I think I could maybe revisit.

Let's do it. Maybe let's do it. Okay, we'll follow up. We'll see. We'll let everybody know if we did it. Ginger, thank you so much. Thank you for doing this. It was so nice to have you on. It was great. And I guess we'll have to see if we want to see Dr. Sleep and follow up

I might be interested What's Dr. Sleep about? Maybe someone with narcolepsy They're like this is a new issue We're tackling in this movie Narcolepsy Some people fall asleep at random Well here we go Goodbye

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