Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS with Marcy Jarreau

Episode Date: December 11, 2019

Skin suits, an FBI agent/feminist icon in training, and one surprisingly helpful cannibal - we're talking Jonathan Demme's The Silence of the Lambs! Marcy Jarreau (Brooklyn Nine-Nine, A Funny Feeling, Kardishin' It, 90 Day Bae) joins us to talk all things Hannibal Lecter and Clarice Starling. This movie won FIVE OSCARS because it's that damn good. It's got a lot of great lessons; mainly - don't trust any men ever? Or at the very least ones with casts on their arms asking you to help them move furniture. Just run. Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily. I'm scared, really scared this week. Ooh, more scared than usual? Yeah, about out of my ceiling. Okay. Would love to see what happens when you exceed the ceiling. I don't think you do.

I'm Henley and I'm just like averagely scared. I'm Sammy and I'm brave. Yeah, you are. You want me to rank the braveness? Yeah. On a scale of one to ten, how brave are you? You know, I'm a little less brave. Yeah, I'll say I'm a seven.

Okay. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. I'll say I'm an eight scared. I'm not a ten scared, actually. Okay. Okay. Not at the ceiling.

Not at the ceiling, actually. Almost at the ceiling. I'm a, yeah, upper deck. Did anything scary happen to us this week Something scary Happened to me this week which is that Former ambassador and national security Advisor to Obama

Susan Rice accidentally Emailed me Not just Emailed you like the details of her schedule Which is extremely Not secure She cc'd me on an email with her Agent from CAA

That is so crazy She is a national security advisor And it had the details of her like book tour And scheduling for a CBS interview Let's show up and get her on the pod and she the thing that's crazy about it is that it wasn't like an assistant from caa or even the agent it was literally susan rice herself cc'd me personally i've never interacted with her you don't work at caa like why was she? So I did a little bit of research and I figured it out, I think.

Well, A, I figured out that her assistant has the same last name as me. So that's step one. OK, step one. Step two is that she is on the board of Netflix. And so she technically has a Netflix email address. And so I think she must have the Netflix like Rolodex. So she went to type Cox and yours somehow popped up. And so I think she must have the Netflix like Rolodex. So she went to type Cox and yours somehow popped

up. And she didn't notice. And I bet her assistant got in a lot of trouble for not replying to that email. Although you know what? I forwarded it to him. And he wrote back. Wait, actually hold on. I need to pull up the email just to read it out loud.

Oh my gosh, that's really kind of you. So I forwarded it to Alexander Cox. And I said, I think this is meant for you. And he wrote me back. And he said, are you sure? Susan didn't mean to share her frustrations about book purchases with you. Several question marks. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Thanks, Henley. Wow. Do you know him? No. It's so conversational. And I wrote back, ha ha ha ha. I'm honored to have been included. Wow.

That's really honestly fun. I like how that worked out for you. Anything scary, Sammy? I went on a friend date last night. That's fun. And I feel like they're scary, but they're fun. Oh my God. Her name is Sarah and she listens. So hi, Sarah.

Hi, Sarah. But yeah, I feel like I particularly never meet anyone because I work from home. And we just met at a party where neither of us knew anybody and we hung out. I love that. That's like rare.

It's very rare. It's rare. It happens very often. Especially not just to meet someone you like, but like to go out, like I won't engage in conversation with someone I don't know. It's like there's so many steps that I take for that to happen. It requires a level of vulnerability.

On both ends. Just not equipped for it right now. Which is scary. Vulnerability is scary vulnerability is scary it's very scary well what'd you guys do uh we went to a storytelling night in atwater village it was really fun yeah it was great oh my god yeah so proud of you and it was like based on horoscope stuff which i love that perfect yeah torus moon Taurus moon themed storytelling. What's her sign? She's a Capricorn, Henley, like you. Oh my God. No wonder you guys

get along so well. It's true. It's meant to be. Meant to be. Emily? Anything? I mean, I was going to say I had to cut my nails short. Brutal. it's been really scary big week for me my company that I work for is moving offices

so that's really been my whole week is like putting things in boxes and like moving furniture and I've been really working on like working on having long nails and like growing them out and doing this like super hard gel polish it keeps them long I was really excited about it and I was like there's just no way I can make it through this week with them.

So I cut them short. I will get them long again. But I was really, because I also have like stubby, weird little like Hobbit child hands and I hate them. And the nails made me feel like a real woman. They're beautiful hands. Thank you so much. They're not, but thank you.

And the nails really made me feel like a lady and I miss them. Hey, they'll be back. They'll be back. They're beautiful hands. Thank you so much. They're not, but thank you. And the nails really made me feel like a lady and I miss them. Hey, they'll be back. They'll be back. They're just nails. They're just nails. But it's not really been an eventful week. That's pretty much what I've got. What's our movie, Sammy?

Our movie today is The Silence of the Lambs. Came out in 1991. I'm really excited. It's scary. I know nothing. Scarier than I remember. I know. I'm really excited. It's scary. I know nothing. Scarier than I remember. I know nothing about it except that it's very scary and very good. Yes. Best picture, best actor, best actress

at the Oscars that year. Best director, best screenplay, five Oscars. Holy hell. That's crazy. What? That's like most of the things. That's most of them. That's most of them. I didn't know that. That's very wild. I didn't know that either but then watching it i was like that checks it checks out oh damn i'm so excited i was talking to my dad today he's a listener hi dad um and i told him we were doing silence of the lambs and he was like

it's really scary i'm excited i'm excited um it's directed by Jonathan Demme, written by Ted Talley, based on the Thomas Harris novel starring Jodie Foster, Anthony Hopkins, Scott Glenn, Anthony Heald, and Ted Levine. Okay. Well, that's exciting. And we're so excited to have our guest this week who chose this film. She is, there's so many things to say. She's a comedian at UCB. She is, there's so many things to say. She is a comedian at UCB. She has three

podcasts. We've got Cardition It. We've got 90 Day Bay. And we've got A Funny Feeling. Those are her three podcasts. And she's a writer on Brooklyn Nine-Nine. And she's here with us today. It's Marcy Jaro. Hi, Marcy. Welcome.

Thanks for having me. Thank you for being here. I was so pleased to get to watch this again. Yeah. I'm like really thrilled that you picked it. Oh, it's so good. It's so good. And I especially think that in the era we're in now and like, you know, this kind of what

we call, what would you call this third wave or fourth wave feminism? We're up there yeah it's maybe eight but this is a really feminist film so and and that's why I love it so much so I'm excited to talk about it oh yay I can't wait to hear about it well what

first Marcy do anything scary happen to you this week always but I'm still gonna rank myself pretty low I'm gonna say I'm a three okay that's pretty low. I'm going to say I'm a three. Okay, that's fair. But can I do two? Just real quick. Please do. Of course.

I already said while we were taking our picture, can you edit this? Because I have laser bruises on my face from getting a rosacea treatment. Oh, my God. And I didn't know it was going to be like that. Yeah. And the dermatologist... Because because she once said you can come in before work it won't be bad at all and then the day of she's like you it's going to be the worst

in two days and I was like what the fuck? This is some mixed information Did it hurt while it was happening? It hurt not bad but just like little zappies it's fine but as soon as she showed me like a mirror i laughed so hard because i was like i have bruising all over my face and chest did you have to go to work right now no no i'm on hiatus so it's fine and it's winter so

sweaters yes i'm wearing a sweater and i did a search history that night and um my improv show used to be a prank and i was like it's fine i put makeup on and nicole byer was like what are those black dots all over you oh no thank you um thank you so much so that was the one scary thing but also um kind of funny that this lined up. I just finished reading The Stranger Beside Me by Anne Rule, which is about, it's Ted Bundy's actual co-worker who happened to be... Oh my gosh, I've heard about

this. She happened to be a crime writer for, like, magazines, and then they worked at a crisis center together. He, like, confided in her, didn't he? They were very close friends. It's a really interesting read because she cares so much about him. Whoa. And theyided in her, didn't he? They were very close friends. It's a really interesting read because she cares so much about him. Whoa. And they had like a genuine

relationship. That's so scary. So wild. That Ted Bundy documentary was like the most scared I feel like I've ever been. I was like, I'm never going on a date with anyone ever again. Never helping any man on the street. Never talking to anyone. Yeah. And so I was listening to that and then my

roommates out of town so at like one o'clock in the morning i'm asleep and i hear a crash oh no in my house in your house in my house and i have a cat okay but he like i was like so i just like i was like i think it's in my room so i just turned my light on and my purse had fallen off but uh it was fine i was a little scared though but yeah but my response was god damn it i'm in danger i was asleep can you just chill out uh i said that a couple of times. Is that OK? Yeah. Totally. Explicit, baby. Oh, yeah.

Well, good. There's some stuff in this movie. It's pretty hard to be a podcast of this genre. You could be like and then her boobies and then the aft. Hi, everybody. It is cocktail hour. And this week's cocktail is a killer cocktail. That is the name of the cocktail and also a great descriptor for it. It's great.

To make a killer cocktail, you will combine one and a half ounces of Disaronno, one ounce of gin, a third an ounce of Italian red bitter liqueur. We're talking Campari. We're talking Aperol. Take your pick. A third, an ounce of Gifford's passion fruit syrup and an ounce of freshly squeezed lemon juice. You will shake all ingredients with ice and fill into a rocks glass filled with ice and garnish with a lemon zest twist. glass filled with ice and garnish with a lemon zest twist cut like a shark fin and add three drops of cranberry bitters or grenadine as like a bloody shark attack thing and i didn't see the the shark attack component of this cocktail when i picked it i was just going for straight regular human killer vibes um but when i made it, Emily got really nervous because she's very afraid of sharks.

And she said, there are no sharks in this movie, right? And I just really like to imagine a Silence of the Lambs where there's also like a killer shark component. But there's not. I'm sorry.

Or I guess, good thing for Emily. Yeah, enjoy. Cheers. cheers Also when you were talking about The crew of this film Or the whatever The cinematographer I think Deserves a huge shout out Fujimoto

This Is such a beautiful Movie yes especially for To be so like dark and bleak It's shot so well Fujimoto. This is such a beautiful movie. Yes. Especially for to be so like dark and bleak. It's shot so well. Oh, cool. In fact, I think you're gonna have to watch this. I honestly, I might. We should watch it together,

Emily. Okay. I feel like, isn't that first? We've said that before. We should have a marathon day where you guys have to watch every movie you've agreed to watching. I really mean it with this one. I really mean it with this one. I do mean it with this one too. I am. And well, the thing is, I know this is very scary, but I literally, it is crazy because

it's been out for 30 years. 91. 91. I should know that because that is the year I was born. Sorry, Marcy. God, I'm sorry. Okay. I'm sorry.

I was born in the 90s. I'm a spring chicken But I know nothing I like really know Nothing about it Gosh it's so good Like I said Agent Starling Jodie Foster is like Truly

She is the ideal Feminist in a few ways one Like she's strong and tough and you are on her Side and like how amazing to have this protagonist that men and women both identify with because she's like right you know that's also like good writing

shout out to the writing it's great writing and then on the flip side of her being this ideal feminist for like everyone she's also like sort of like the a man's idea of what a tolerable feminist should be like. She's smart and she's strong and she's beautiful. But she also downplays all of that.

And in moments where she's actually confronting men about their behavior, she does it in a very gracious way. So she doesn't hurt their egos. Yeah. So it's like a very interesting thing even like up through the end like she's vulnerable through the whole thing right even like you know and like the the in sequence of it like she's she's so strong but she's also like oh a woman who everyone else views as beneath them and weak and and they objectify her there's so many shots from the very first

shot of the movie she well she's running alone in the woods and so you feel the sense of like dread she's like running with but she's wearing pearl earrings she is yeah isn't she wearing like a sweatsuit too like a I have that image in my head for some reason

so she's like this little woman running through the woods wearing sweats and a turtleneck. Early 90s. You gotta sweat it out. When you weigh 98 pounds you gotta sweat it out. So she's doing this obstacle course

at the FBI Academy and then she's called off the field but just like the sense of her alone in the woods with the the scoring of it it seems scary immediately right and then you're like oh she's like doing a thing yeah and then she like goes into the building and she's drenched in sweat

and like you know a mess and she immediately gets onto an elevator full of like a dozen men and yeah there's so the like male to female ratio in this movie yeah constantly oh my god I'm so excited but first I am curious Marcy you're a big scary movie fan in general yeah I mean I

like it's so weird because I sort of do find myself watching a lot of scary movies because my friends watch a lot of scary movies and that's why I just assume because so fan by proxy yeah but I like ghost stories yes and i love to talk because i think i love the oral history element of telling ghost stories uh-huh uh and i just love anything supernatural and i don't that doesn't always like hit the same mark for me uh-huh right right right so it's more like you have a specific

interest it's not necessarily going to be scary movies yeah like Right. Right. So it's more like you have a specific interest. It's not necessarily going to be scary movies. Yeah. Like this is good. Like because it's like it's not like a slasher scary thing. Right.

It's just like an intense like psychological like drama. Oh my God. OK. Well let's I mean let's watch the trailer. The killer is on the

loose. Keeps him alive for three days. Then he shoots them skins them and dumps them. A rookie FBI agent is on his trail. He's got real physical strength, cautious, precise, and he's never impulsive. He'll never stop.

But in order to track him down, she'll have to match wits. I'll help you catch him, Clarice. Believe me, you don't want Hannibal Lecter inside your head. With the darkest of all minds. Just do your job and never forget what he is. Thank you, Clarice. Thank you. Wow.

Even just off the bat, that's not what I expected. I feel like the trailer is cut like a little. The editing in that trailer is crazy. It's a little insane. I feel like trailers of that time didn't. I don't know. I've never seen a trailer quite like it. It feels like it's like an early 90s movie, but it's got that 80s life. Yeah.

In a world. Yeah. Well, I guess let's just dive in. Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. Oh, wait, should we do trivia or no trivia. Well, I guess let's just dive in. Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. Oh, wait. Should we do trivia?

Or no trivia? Oh, I guess. No, we don't have any trivia. Let's just dive the fuck in. Who cares? I just want to dive in. Would the trivia even be? Sometimes it's like casting.

Sometimes we do some. No, we just do like fun facts about the movie. Oh, can I? Do you have one? I have one. Oh, great. Please share. There is one of the most interesting cameos in this movie.

Ooh. You may remember a song, Wicked Games. Mm-hmm. Of course. Wicked games you play. Of course. Don't make me feel this way. That's Chris Isaac.

He plays a cop with four lines in this movie. Whoa. Was he trying to be an actor before Wicked Games? I don't know interesting it's so interesting weird little cameos are fun did you like independently recognize him or did you i was like why is he here that's so great because he's like a babe like you know i don't he i think he only had like three songs that were great but he's a total hottie so it's like yeah of course he should be an actor and they're like yeah you can

say a couple lines and then we'll give you four we'll give you four they're important I mean it's fine okay okay that was great um A plus one thing I wrote down is just that Buffalo Bill is a combo of three real life serial killers um Ed Gein, Ted Bundy and Gary

Heidnik I guess I won't tell you what they what they are famous for yet. Yeah, no spoilers. We'll get into it. We'll get into it. Okay. We'll talk about it. But they're all scary.

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Yeah, like he was like, there's like a quote in the movie that's like, I ate a liver with a fava bean and a nice Chianti. It's classic. So like, yeah, he eats. Also like, this is like,

he is a great character that has been portrayed in many movies and television shows. And Anthony Hopkins might have the most famous version of him. Especially if you watch, has anyone

seen the NBC series? I haven't. But that guy's good too, right? Is it Mads Mikkelsen? Yeah. Oh, it's the same, like literally Hannibal Lecter. Yes. But when you watch Mads' version of it and then you watch Anthonyony hoskins you're like what is he doing he's like hello carrie it's like very over the top but it like strikes a chord

where it works so he sends her over to the asylum wherever he's kept and she's to like talk to him and just like just gathering info uh and she gets there and she's met by this like dr frederick guy who's this really pompous guy who runs the institution and he is so arrogant he immediately starts hitting on her and then cool he's so shitty when she rebuffs him he's so mean to her as it happens yeah and he's like why did i even walk you over here? I could have saved me. And she's like, he's such an asshole. And she does that thing of like, well, I enjoyed your company. Oh, God. She tries to like stroke his ego a little bit at the end.

Please don't ruin this important meeting I have because you wish you could fuck me. All right. I have a question. How old is she right now? You said she's at UVA. Does that mean she's in graduate school or college? I would imagine her to be 24. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Five. Yeah. How old is she right now? You said she's at UVA. Does that mean she's in graduate school or college? I would imagine her to be 24.

Yeah. OK. Yeah. Five. Yeah. And so she is walking down this corridor. In fact, I think it's really interesting, too, that almost every single man in this film is objectifying her or dismissive of her or literally a predator for her. her or dismissive of her or literally a predator for her except for this one black man who is and it's very interesting because it's all white men who are the predators and then the women in the movie and the the men of color are the only ones who aren't actually her predators wow right and

it's such an interesting like statement that's why it's like it's interesting to watch it in like today's era. Right. So Barney is his name and he's like it's okay because she's like walking through this like row of like the craziest most psychotic murder whatever guys and they're like heckling her. Yeah. One guy literally as she's walking down the hall

he's like I can smell your cunt. Okay. It's so upsetting. It's so upsetting and that's not the worst thing he does. So he's like i can smell your cunt okay it's so upsetting it's so upsetting and that's not the worst thing he does so he's like i can smell your cup but barney's like i got your back if anything happens i'll yeah like you'll do fine you'll do fine like i'm here i put a chair out there for you like you can tell he's the asylum yeah he's like the a guard slash orderly he's like wearing white so it's like hard to tell so yeah she there she meets Hannibal Lecter He's immediately like sizing her up And he like he hears the guy

Say I can smell your cunt And he's like what'd he say She's like he said you can smell my cunt He's like hmm I unfortunately can't And then he starts sniffing the air Oh my god And he like says what he can smell He's like I can smell that you like wear this kind of perfume

But not today Or yeah you usually perfume. But not today. Or yeah, you usually wear it, but not today. Yeah. And he knows what kind of face lotion she wears and like, which is crazy because it's one thing to be able to identify a lot of smells. It is quite another

to know all the popular brands of beauty products a woman of 1991 would be wearing. He's on top of it. He reads a lot of Seventeen magazine. I assume he's been in prison for a while at this point. Right. I mean, I think it I can't remember, but it's been years.

Yeah. Yeah. So he's sniffing around and he's like sort of insulted that she's been sent there because she's such a newbie. He's like Crawford must like, why is he sending like, yeah, like inex is he sending like yeah people like inexperienced people like what are you doing here yeah like I'm a big deal

who are you who are you and then she immediately like knows how to play it like she is like well I just I have I'm not gonna interrogate you I just hope you could tell me some things yeah she says like I hope to learn from you and maybe you can decide if I'm worthy of that or something

like that which is the perfect thing to say to him because he fancies himself like a genius and he is so so they have a little weird meeting where they're kind of like it's like a bit everything with them is cat and mouse and it's so interesting the trailer presents

it as she's going to match his wits when really it's just she's not pissing him off. Right. Which is like really important to do. Yeah. Yeah. Because like he said, the last person that antagonized him, he ate their liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti. Well, no, thank you.

And she was like, no. After he made fun of her cheap shoes. He's rude. He's rude. He's rude. He is rude. But then like as she's like leaving and I didn't write explicit notes. So tell me. Yes.

He like gives her a little like info, but I forget what it is. So what happens is she starts to leave and as she's leaving the guy in the cell next to him. Oh yeah, Migs. Migs. Migs. The cunt guy? You're going to like this. You're going to really like this ladies to him. Oh, yeah. Migs. Migs. You're going to like this. You're going to really like this, ladies. Yes.

Can't wait. Can't wait. You want me to say it or you say it? Well, I guess he's been masturbating because whatever. He hasn't seen a lady in a while and he throws cum in her hair. He throws it through the bars and it goes right in her face and her hair. Yeah. And Hannibal Lecter is like so mad by it that he like calls her back and he's like,

Starling, Starling, I come back. I find that like disgusting what he just did to you. Because he's a gentleman, you see. Of course. I mean, he's going to eat his liver with a nice glass of wine. Yes, he's fancy. And so he says the little piece of info he gives her is, so I'll tell you to speak to one of my previous associates or something, Miss Moffat.

Yeah. And he gives her a lot of coded language. Like every time he tells her anything, it's always like she's running away because something else disgusting is happening. And he's like, Agent Stalling! Agent Stalling! And she runs back and he gives her a little bit of coded information that's

always a riddle. Yeah. And again, we were saying, I was saying this on the set. We did seven and I would just be the worst detective FBI agent because I, I would never come to any of these conclusions. So she like figures out that.

Oh shit. He says something like. Miss Moffat is it's the answer is within yourself or something within yourself. And she says the yourself seemed a little on the nose for him. So I looked up storage units in the area of there in Baltimore and they find a yourself storage unit. And she finds that there's a unit reserved by a Miss Moffat, but it hasn't been used since 1980. Hold on. How'd they get to the storage unit

part of this? She just like thought... She did some research. He says like, go check into this, a former patient of mine, Miss Moffat. The answer's within yourself. And she was like, what the fuck? Wait, let me think about this. So... It's like a riddle. I know, but then storage unit, I mean...

It's called door self storage. Yeah, no, no. Okay. Emily? Emily knows. Emily! No, that's what I'm saying, is that these are all conclusions I would never get to. I'd be very bad at this job. But she's great. I guess unless you knew, like, oh, this person likes

to present riddles. Unless she's a playaround. So she goes to this storage facility, and it's like not an important plot point, but like she can't get the door open and there's an older man helping trying to help her. And he like can't do it.

No one else. None of the men will help her essentially. So she gets like a car jack from her trunk and like jacks the door up. And then right before she goes under, she does this like thing that like I think it's supposed to let you know that she's smart, but not foolish. She gives him a card that says, if anything should happen to me. This the FBI knows I'm here with you.

Right. Call this number. Right. So she like let him know, like, just because I'm a woman alone doesn't mean you're going to do anything. Because I think it shows you she's scared and she's smart. Right. Because she doesn't think of it before then.

It's like she's halfway under the door. Right. And then she cuts her leg, which comes back later. Yeah. Owie. Well, it comes back later because Hannibal Lecter can smell these things. It's so weird. It really is.

He can smell a lot of things. Upset. Yeah. He has a strong olfactory sense. Yes. You know, Kim Kardashian can as well. really is smell a lot of things upset strong olfactory sense yes you know kim kardashian can as well she can she says she's a she can smell when people have a uh a tooth uh um what's it like decay in your mouth she can smell like a cavity yeah oh my god no way is that the

source of her power i think it's all the money yeah or is it that one or the other it doesn't hurt uh so she's in the storage facility and it's immediately so the imagery inside the facility is so spooky there's like taxidermied owls and there's a hearse that is covered by a giant american flag read into it what you will symbolism symbolism symbolism so immediately she's like oh i guess i gotta get inside this hearse oh no so she gets into the hearse she's looking around and they're like weird mannequins and stuff in there yeah they're just spooky and then there's some object that has like a handkerchief draped over it. Oh, no. And she rips it off. And it is like a glass container jar with a head inside of it.

Like a formaldehyded head. Yes. And the head has fake eyelashes that are like coming off. But it's a man's head. With like fake eyelashes. And then does it just cut to. There's like a part where. That where Crawford. The like her boss.

Tells her that Migs was found dead in his cell. Oh yes. Yes. Oh my God. Who is the one that threw cum in her face. Because. Thank you for reminding us. Hannibal. And yeah.

I mean they're in different cells. Like he couldn't get to him. And they just said that Hannibal't get to him and they just said that Hannibal was whispering to him all night and he swallowed his own tongue and trust me I've looked it up it's not a thing you can do it's not possible to swallow your own tongue I mean if

you had a really long one maybe like Gene Simmons could swallow his own tongue Gene look at this Gene watch out watch out but like you couldn't like swallow So all your tongue... I'm trying to even get it back there. No, yeah. It's impossible.

Okay, well, yuck. Still spooky. Bad. Yeah, we have a lot of check-ins with Crawford where he's like, all right, good job. Also, here's a lie. I'm gonna make you look stupid later. Yeah. Oh, he's lying to her.

Like all the time. Yeah, constantly. He didn't send her there just to like... Get some like. Yeah. Because he didn't send her there just to like get some like. Yeah. He sent her there because he believes Hannibal Lecter has direct connection to this serial killer Buffalo Bill. He thinks he knows something.

Yes. And she's like mad at one point. Like, I wish I would have been in on like why you're doing this. And he's like, well, if he would have even smelled it on you, it would have been you would have been done for. But it's like you were like my stupid pawn it's like yeah he's like doesn't trust her like he's like you're the brightest

people I have I don't trust you at all so then do we think that that's not really how Migs died or is it Migs Mugs I mean I think that's I think it is supposed to be how it is basically that basically that yeah he like tormented him to death just with his words.

Scary. He's like, Migs, I see you over there. You're off in your sail. I don't like it. I think it's bad. I did a perfect impression. Honestly, it was. It was good.

So then Clarice goes back to Hannibal Lecter after finding the head. He's like, oh yeah, that's an old, that's a former patient of mine. Yeah. And this, it's a little like, this movie has some weird, not only is it like feminist and also like showed you about misogyny, but it has a weird like transphobic element to it as well. Right. Uh, he uses an old timey word.

to it as well. He uses an old timey word. He calls his patient a former patient a transvestite who he's like, I didn't kill him, but he was the person who rented the storage facility. He just found him dead. His lover had killed him

and he just kept the body there or the head of the body there. Yeah, just like a fun hobby he's normal well it's interesting because he's a serial killer and he was treating this he was treating this man Miss Moffat who

believed who was you know trying to transition but Miss Moffat was dating another man and that's who oh and he says that man killed someone and Miss Moffat knew about it and so she in the in the therapy sessions was like oh my boyfriend is like i'm scared of him and and then he came in for a session yes and that they think this is buffalo bill yes he's implying that this

is buffalo bill that came in and we're to assume that that's who killed Miss Moffat. Yes. Got it. Got it. Got it. Is this when he has the weird... He's trying to bargain with her a bit. He's like, I have some information about Buffalo Bill and...

Quid pro quo, Clarice. He says that. Very relevant. Thank you for bringing this podcast into the current moment. That's literally what he says. He literally says it. Really? Yes.

That is not. Squid pro quo. Wait. Squid? I can never say it. Squid pro quo. Squid pro quo. Oh, my God.

Is anybody watching Watchmen because they say squid pro quo in it? Because there's squid. There's squids in it. That's fine. Squids raining from the sky. Squid pro quo. Squid pro quo in it because there's squid there's squids in it. That's fine. Squids raining from the sky. Squid pro quo. That's why Donald Trump had to write it out in big big letters. No squid pro quo.

I can't say it. Big fat letters. I won. So Hamill Lecter is the same as Trump? Yeah. He's like he's a little more polite. He's so much smarter. Much much smarter. So much smarter. But yeah he's like. No. Yeah. He's a little more polite. He's so much smarter. Much, much smarter.

So much smarter. But yeah, he's like, I hate myself. I'd like to be transferred. Like, I could maybe scratch your back if you scratch my. Yeah. Type thing. And we're learning the whole time. Like, he's got like a bunch of his art up.

He's got like. Like, he's listening to classical music. So he does get punished for making migs kill himself right okay sure and like the the bad frederick dr frederick is making him like listen to uh evangelical christian television like blasting blasting he's like when you leave he's gonna turn the volume up again he loves his like little torture and all of his like drawings that he's like an amazing uh artist all the drawings are gone he's taken away like he's drawn like italy and like different parts of europe and it's like very intricate drawings right um and yeah he's like talk to crawford

do what you gotta do he wants to sell with a window yeah that's his big thing and he's like he's like your man's probably looking for his next victim right now so then we cut to um a woman in a car her name is katherine she's listening to tom american girl american girl there's two really famous songs in this and that's one of them and she's singing it a little off key she's a big woman uh she's very like there's a confidence About her yeah she's having a great time Yeah you can tell she's like the kind of girl Who probably goes out and drinks whiskey and then Like smokes a joint and blah blah blah

She's like cool but also Not a classic American Beauty because she's a larger woman And so she gets back to Her apartment and her little cat is in her window In the window waiting for her It's a big Mabel. And she's like, I'll be right in there.

And then she sees a man kind of with a cast on his arm, kind of struggling to move a couch into his van. No, anytime you see a man anywhere, just run away. Any man anywhere. Just turn around and run away. away anywhere just turn around and run away if you see a guy trying to move a couch while he's wearing a cast like let him figure out his life yeah that was a lot of bad choices to get here let him figure it out he has put himself in this situation women stop fixing men's problems for them my god especially because they'll push you into the van. So she's helping him out and he's like, he forces her to get into

the van first. He's like, you back in so I can like slide it in. And then she's like, okay. And then he says, what are you? Like a size 14? Rude. While she's in the van. Oh, this is not a good sign. And she's like, she's like, what? And then he

like, he punches her. Oh, yeah. He climbs in and punches her. Closes the van doors behind. And this is Buffalo Bill. Yes. That's yeah. That's who we're to believe that is.

And also, that's what Ted Bundy did. That's what Ted Bundy used to do. Oh, he would force that. He would lure women into cars by pretending he like had had an injury and was trying to move something. Yeah. He would have like he would do sometimes he would have like a cast on his arm

sometimes he would have like a cast on his foot and he'd have crutches and like he'd keep dropping a briefcase or like. Well and he was so handsome and he was like handsome enough he wasn't even so handsome. That's true. He was just handsome enough. I guess for a serial killer. Yeah. Yeah. He was like nondescript white guy

but fine we would all date him i mean also like the most powerful person in the world technically non-descript white guy no offense you all listening um so after he knocks her out he cuts her blouse open yeah cuts her blouse open and like touches her back. Touches her, like caresses her back in a very upsetting way. Yeah, he's like, oh yeah. And he does sound like that. And he looks at the tag and she is exactly a

size 14, which interesting. I mean, he probably cuts off a lot of women's clothes. Yeah, he knows good at what he does. He's specifically looking for women of that size. Yes. Where to assume he's taking her somewhere. There's more to happen. Yeah. More to come. Then they

find a body. There's been a body. Yes. So they find a body. They go down to, is it West Virginia or? I can't remember. So they go to this town, like they fly on like a private FBI plane, get to this small town with a bunch of like backwoods like cops and stuff. And they're all

in this funeral home where like there's family there. It's a lot going on. And Crawford does this thing with the sheriff in the town and he goes, the sheriff starts to talk to him and he goes, you might have gone in another room. I don't want to talk about this in front of a woman. And

Starling is so mad. Yeah. I love me too. So she gets like left in the room with like. They do it? 20 just male police officers. Who are all sizing. And trust me.

She's there for that reason. Every time she is like alone, men are looking at her ass. Like they have so many shots of men just turning around and like sizing her up. And every man smiles at her. Every man in this film does a creepy little smile at her ass like they have so many shots of men just like turning around like sizing her up and every man smiles at her every man in this film does a creepy little smile at her oh god um and I burped into the mic oh my god

I didn't hear it well don't edit it out uh there's also a thing we didn't mention earlier but they're in their cut and in between a few scenes like you see flashbacks to her childhood because at one point Hannibal asked her about herself and like we find out that her dad was a cop. He was, I think, a single parent and he was. Yeah.

She said her mom died when she was really young. Yeah. And so killed in the line of duty when she was really young. Yeah, and so killed in the line of duty when she was 10. So she has this flashback in this funeral home and then is taken to the back where the body is kept in the morgue, I guess. They're doing like an autopsy.

And it is a pretty graphic scene. Yeah, well, they didn't show the body for a while and so I was like, are they going to show the body or is this going to be the thing where I'm filling in the blanks type thing? And then they showed it and it was very gross. It's a fully nude body of another woman who is a larger woman. But it's not the woman we saw before.

Different woman. And we find out she was found days after her murder. Like it was it took her or not days. Was it like longer? Well, she was found longer. her like it was it took her or not days was it like longer well she was found longer so they have found two bodies prior to hers that has have been buffalo bill victims she is the third but through the autopsy they found out she was the first killed yeah but he waited her down and like in the river so they find she's not the first body they found but was the first yes yeah time

wise had to be the first kill and they say that each body they have found he has kept them alive for at least like three days prior to killing them so he's doing this thing where he's only attacking these larger women who are

not even like large they're like just 14 or 16 yeah and there's so much to read into that one is like he catches them and then he starves them before he murders them that's what we that's what they're finding out

but to another thing is like the idea that maybe these are lonely women who might be more gullible who like there's so much to read into like why he's choosing them and like what everyone's ideas about this larger woman who would take any attention from a man. Right.

It's really like, it's an icky aspect of it. No, I don't know. So Starling's taking pics. So they reveal the body. It's, I don't know so Starling's taking pics so they reveal the body it's she has two diamond shape

cuts cuts out cutouts on her back like he's taking the skin off he's taking the skin off oh they show that to you yes oh they show it to you and they roll her over and there she like looks at a picture of the woman's mouth and she sees bruising on her tongue and she's like there's something in her throat so tongue. And she's like, there's something in her throat.

So she's smart because she's like, there's something in her throat. And another guy's like, probably juice in the river. Could have been maybe a leaf. Yeah. So they get into her throat and they pull out a chrysalis. Oh, hence the image of the movie. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

So it's like a cocoon. A cocoon. A cocoon. And so he put a cocoon down her throat. Because it's so perfectly preserved that you could only imagine that it was placed there.

And she notices that her fingernails, she's missing fingernails and has dirt all in her fingernails., she's missing fingernails and has like dirt all in her fingernails. So she was clawing at something. She was trying to get escaped. Trying to climb out of something, yeah. So they're in the car ride back and they're kind of like

discussing what they found and like she's like giving her idea like who like basically she's profiling who she thinks this could be. And she's like, he's like, hey Starling, it bothered you back there, what I said, right? And she's like hey starling it bothered you back there what i said right and she's like yeah it bothered me he's like i just did that because you know i had to get rid of them i had to get rid of them and she was like well you're with the fbi and a small town police

officer looks to you so the way you behave matters because that's how they're gonna behave damn yeah and he says point, and then immediately falls asleep. I'm like, you suck. Good for her for saying that so perfectly and clearly and concisely. And that's what I wish I could do in moments like that.

I guess you're not the perfect feminist icon! I'm working on it. So, then we cut to Buffalo Bill's little layer his spooky layer we get a look inside he is naked at his sewing table he there's moths flying around he's wearing a scalp oh i forgot he's wearing a scalp it may look like a wig but it's a scalp it's a scalp with hair disgusting yes and you hear

the woman like screaming like help help like where like just she's kind of far away and he's like probably playing music and not like paying attention to her he's just focusing on his sewing with the creepy moths flying around I don't want to know what he's sewing um and then that's that's all we that's all we uh see of that okay

and then we find out that the the woman who has been um taken is a senator's daughter yes we see like a press conference and the senator is a woman. Which I love that. Her name is Ruth, Senator Ruth Martin. And she is from Tennessee, from Tennessee. She's a junior, a Republican senator. Oh, Tennessee. And so we have Agent Starling and another one of her other academy mates.

What is her name? Ardelia. Yeah, let what is her name Ardelia yeah let's say it's Ardelia so Ardelia is a woman of color and Agent Starling's best friend like they're best friends and like the only two women that you see in the academy essentially and

they're like watching this press conference and they're like and she's like that's smart that's smart she keeps saying her name she's like trying to humanize her daughter so that he'll see her as a person. And then then we cut back to. So then then Starling gets sent into Hannibal Lecter again because they're like, OK, now there's a sense of urgency. We need to find this girl. And so they're going to offer him the window,

the deal in exchange. They're like, if we find her and we find her alive, we're going to transfer you to this prison with a window view of the ocean. And one week a year, you're going to get to go outside. Oh my God. No.

And you'll be under like extreme security, of course. And like the ocean. Oh, yeah. He didn't even ask for that. And why are they giving extreme security, of course. You'll get to swim in the ocean. He didn't even ask for that. Why are they giving that to him? Come on. Because they want him to give them the goods. They want the girl. If she dies before we find her,

then you get nothing. So we just need your full cooperation. And what information does he give her now? And this is when he says the quid pro quo. He's like, I'll give you information. He's like, I'll give you information if you answer some of my questions yes and this is where we find out about her dad and and his death and that she goes after his death she goes to live with her aunt who lives on like a ranch and a ranch farm and she wakes up in the middle of the night because she hears this screaming.

It sounds like a child screaming, but it's these lambs that are going to the slaughter. And so she wants, she like goes out in her nightgown and it's freezing outside. And she tries to open the pen to like let them go, but they won't. They don't leave. So she's so upset. She decides to take, she carries one of the small small the spring lambs and she runs away with it it doesn't get very far because she's a young girl and it's freezing and it's wet and like uh and then she's found and the farmer was so mad that like she was sent away so like and and he's like do you still hear them clarice the lambs screaming she's apparently she does yeah yes and she he's like you

hope if you find this woman that the screams will stop at tonight she's like well i don't know but it would be nice to maybe her i would love to die i would love it love it love it love it um and then when do we have the scene with the two little ornithologist or whatever that must have been in between I think that's right little bugs is it entomologist an entomologist studies bugs

okay yeah what's an ornithologist I don't know nothing is that birds that might be birds that sounds so like birds what scene is that so that's somewhere I think before this, where she goes to identify what the cocoon is exactly.

And this man, they have two guys, and one is very clearly autistic. The other one has very crossed eyes. And Mr. Cross Eyes is hitting on her hard. But it's funny because when someone is a peer of hers or someone not in control over her, she doesn't mind it

like it makes her so nervous when it's like someone who is yeah is scary or of authority but like this guy is just like she's like are you hitting on me he's like I absolutely am I'd love to take you out and it's like kind of like a softer

interaction than has been with her and every other man who's like coming after her yeah because it doesn't feel like a threat as much or something I mean it's like it's just commentary on how that's like how it really is yeah right and they identify the moth as something from Asia or something

I can't remember something that is not here they would have to have like imported these bugs and raised them and like it's very difficult to like raise these the called the death's head moth and i actually have a painting of it in my kitchen yeah it's spooky yeah i'm a creep um then we see a pretty famous scene of buffalo bill lowering lotion oh yes into So she is in a well. Catherine.

Catherine is her name. Starved. She's cold. She's wet at the bottom of a dry well. Oh, God. In his basement. And he's lowering lotion to her and he says, it rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

Ah! And she's like sopping wet and crying and like screaming like, please, mister, please. Like, my mom will give you you I want to see my mommy. She's being like begging him. And you can see him kind of like like kind of struggling to like keep his composure. He gets really upset. And it's interesting because he calls her it. It.

Yeah. Because he doesn't want her to be a person. Right. Yeah. And so there's a little tiny dog around, too. Yes. He's holding his dog, Precious. Precious.

And let me tell you, Precious, that's not Precious's yes he's holding his dog precious Precious and let me tell you precious That's not precious his first job in Film oh I saw precious in The credits precious her name is Darla and she has quite a Good A few things So go on with yourself Darla Yeah so

Then she's like begging To be let out. And he like eventually is like, put the fucking lotion on your skin, like loses his temper. And she starts screaming because as he like lowers down this bucket, there's a light on it. And you see on the walls of the well, claw, bloody claw marks and a fingernail which is why the lady in the morgue was missing her

nails because she was trying to claw her way out so she starts being like ah and he starts mocking her he's screaming back and he pulls his shirt out to indicate to make them look like breasts and he's screaming while like shaking his fake boobies at her

yeah oh my god what a psycho he's very scary okay in fact I think they named this movie wrong it should be called Psycho that one was taken unfortunately Psycho 2

Psycho as well another Psycho 2 Psycho as well Another psycho Jesus Christ So in the Hannibal Lecter's bargain He says The man's name is Lewis His real name is Lewis

And I will tell the rest to the Tennessee Senator herself He wants to go on a little trip A little vacation So they take him to Memphis Tennessee to meet with the senator and he's wearing the iconic face mask

and the straight jacket and he's like strapped to a gurney that's smushed that will make her feel better well it's mostly just because they they really can't tell what he could do right he'll bite people's faces like to get a visit from an associate path when she's

wondering where her daughter is. And also we find out in the first time that Starling meets him, when Dr. Frederick is warning her not to get too close, that he had a little photo of a nurse. Yeah, he faked a health

issue and then went to the went to see a nurse and he like basically bit off her face yeah when she like got too close to him he like ate off her face she didn't die but he like really got her good she didn't die that makes it worse we were able to mostly relocate her jaw

ugh but she didn't have a tongue it's graphic, guys. Jesus Christ. We don't see the picture. We just hear it. He shows her and she's like, okay. And great.

In 10 minutes, I'm going to get cum thrown in my face. This day sucks. I hate being in the FBI. It's hard. It is hard. It is hard. It sounds really hard. The easiest thing I did this week was run in the woods.

And I was uphill. And I was wearing a turtleneck. And pearl earrings. So as they're going to Memphis, they're like completing the transfer. And they're like, we just need you to sign this paperwork. In an earlier scene, we had seen Hannibal eyeing Dr. Frederick's pen. And so in this scene when he's like going to sign the paperwork he can't

find his pen and someone's like use mine and we like get a little zoom in on Hannibal Lecter being like oh no Hannibal Lecter is a cartoon character essentially but he does it so funny how he really toes the line between being like this crazy heightened version

of like ha see ha ha ha I'll tie you to the railroad between being like this crazy heightened version of like, ah, see? Ha ha ha ha. I'll tie you to the railroad tracks. But Anthony Hopkins manages to pull it off. He's so good. He's so scary. So then they wheel him. He's basically on a dolly. Yes, he's on a dolly. And strapped to it with his crazy face mask on.

Gonna go talk to the senator. And he says his name is Louis Friend, the murderer. buffalo bill's real name and that he was in a relationship with the the head that they found yeah and that he believes he's transgender and he even tried to get a sex reassignment surgery at john hopkins but they turned him down and they he's like, he believes he's transgender, but he's not. Like, that's a big... He thinks he is, but he's not.

Yes. Weird. Okay. And then he's like, Senator, did you nurse Catherine? And she's like, excuse me? He's like, did you let her suckle at your teat? He's like, makes your nipples hard, doesn't it? And he's like, you know how...

Toughens the nipples. Toughens the nipples. You know how when you lose a leg, sometimes they still feel the sensation? When she's laying on the slab, what part of you is gonna tingle? Oh my god, it's so gross. So horrifying. Honestly, you guys are so

good at doing impressions. Thank you good I am so impressed It's so rude though He's like I'm talking about your tits Yeah also like not helpful To this woman when your daughter's dead Your tits are gonna tingle He's having fun

This is how he has fun You're not here for a long time. You're here for a good time. You know what I'm saying? So then she's like, get this monster out of here. And then he's like, Senator, one more thing. Love your suit. Great.

It's great. Love the suit. Love the suit. It's so... He's always like, kind of like negging women yeah like it's like cheap shoes he's very materialistic love your suit yeah he's like a perfect example of capitalism he really is like he's very he's late stage capitalism he's an elitist and um yes yeah and also he didn't really give her much like a name I think he gave like a physical description

He was like he's 35 Blonde blue eyes Where he would be essentially too He did give them some info Because he wants his window Yes so they Wheel him back To his little like temporary

Jail cell which is like a Prison room in the middle of a room so she's bars yeah it's like a cage in the middle of a ballroom essentially and it's decorated with all these like like flag is like very patriotic in the room and very beautiful too

so not important but he's being guarded okay yeah and Clarice comes in to visit him and because she's good at decoding his riddles, she says, Louis' friend is an anagram for iron sulfide

which is fool's gold. Like you're sending them on a fool's errand essentially. That's insanity. Right? That's so many steps to take. So many. Again, she gets him. You know, she's his perfect woman. And she like sees

through his bad boy self. Honestly, like he's tough but human. They have like a language. They've got a connection. He does say actually in this scene, people will think that we are in love because she keeps like coming to visit him. It is like a weird

like theme between them that there is like sexual tension yeah it's very one-sided but she plays along to be safe yes yes I mean it's hey ladies that's what it's like to be a woman this movie is exactly what it's like to be a woman

yes man I feel like a woman. They play that in the credits, right? In the credits. So he basically keeps saying to her, everything you need to know to catch him is in the file. If you just look hard enough, you'll find it. Because he hands her the file back that she had given him.

Wow. Mm-hmm. So they go to... She leaves. The guards go to... She leaves. The guards come to feed him dinner. And you see him kind of in his little... He has like a little... He's behind a curtain

and he's spitting out the pen in his mouth. A piece of a pen, yeah. A piece of the pen, like the ink part, the little metal cartridge. Cartridge, yes. And kind of tucks it away.

You don't really see where he puts it. It must be between two fingers or something. Then they have him put his hands through the bars and they handcuff him so that he's like, you know, restrained while they bring him his food. Because they know better.

Because he'll attack them. So then they come in. He unlocks his damn handcuffs. With the pen. Uh-huh. Is it that easy to unlock handcuffs? Don't you just have a certain key? Hannibal's so smart. He's really, really

good at what he does. He's very good at what he does. He unlocks his own handcuffs. Does he bite the man? I think he bites the first man. He bites the man's nose. Almost off. He then pepper sprays him and like knocks him out. He grabs the pepper spray off because they're like

cops. So he grabs it off his belt, pepper sprays him and then he starts beating him with something. What is it? Well, I think what he does first actually before that is he, the other second guard, he puts his handcuffs on the second guard so the second guard can't go anywhere. So then the other one so you like literally like your microphone so that's when he bites the nose and then sprays the other guy and then so that guy's on the ground

screaming and then with the nightstick of the other guy he just just slowly beats him. Oh, it's so creepy. His face. He's making like a... The guy who's handcuffed? Yes. They don't show it. It's just like blood splatter up on him. And he's like smiling. He has blood all over his teeth. He never blinks. He's just like unblinking, staring, beating him to

death. Oh no. It's so scary. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. So, okay so okay he killed the other guy he bit the nose off of and pepper sprayed and pepper sprayed yeah so we only see one of them is dead right right now and the guy who got handcuffed got beaten up yes and then the other one is like badly injured and is the cell door open now because they came in? Yes. But some alarm must go off that like notifies like they maybe send it. So what it is, is the cops downstairs see the elevator moving and they're like that elevator should not be moving. No one should be going up or down.

It's stopping at the third floor. What is happening up there? So then they rush up to go see what's happening up there. And when they enter the ballroom, they see a site. So he has lifted from the ceiling we have almost like an angel with arms spread wide

the man has been gutted and he's like basically flayed no the other one who was beaten to death he's been flayed open essentially how did he hang him from the ceiling? with like the American flags I think it's a lot of symbolism about America

you guys a lot of American flag usage in this movie oh my god and then the other cop is like on the ground and has like a lot of face lacerations and they like blood everywhere it's like blood everywhere he's not doing well

and they're like oh he's alive so they get him on a gurney they're rushing him down to go to an ambulance it is really interesting there's a little interesting part of the scene where like am i getting too in detail with this shit but this movie everything good is in the details so this guy like he's like one of the cops is like he's still breathing and they're like talk to him there he's like what do i say he's like god damn it that's our friend you talk to him it's like a weird moment where his boss is like you know him you know what to say talk to your

friend like right and so he's like whispering is like you look great you're gonna be fine that is a good detail it's very humanizing it's also very kind of real and this is where Chris Isaac is like around. Oh yeah. There's movement on the fourth floor.

So they're like in the elevator taking him down on a gurney like to take him out to EMS. And then there's blood dripping from the top of the elevator. Oh God. Oh no. And so they're like he's on top of the elevator. And so the elevator that they're

in. So yeah. They're like he's above the elevator But they act like They don't see it They're like everything's fine Like we're still taking him out to the Ambulance What are you guys doing for dinner While like

Quietly like signaling to like Send more people in This is where Chris Isaac comes in Cause he's like up there or whatever he says While like quietly like signaling To like send more people in More of the SWAT people This is where Chris Isaac comes in Because he's like up there or whatever he says So they're up on another floor looking down And they like shoot They like wound him in the leg

They see like his A person on top of the elevator Laying on top of the elevator and yeah they shoot him And he doesn't respond And then when they finally do get him They like open it up from below eventually and it falls down. And it's the other cop

in his clothes and then it cuts to the ambulance and he peels off. He was wearing the other man's face. And he sits up and he, you know what he does to those ambulance guys. No, he was wearing his face.

He was wearing his face. Okay, that doesn't work in real life. Yeah. I mean, I don't think you can do that in real life. Wait, what is that a quote from? I'll wear, oh, it's the Bloodhound Gang? Have you ever heard the Bloodhound Gang? They sing about this in one of their songs.

He goes, I'll wear your face like a mask while I do my little kooky dance. Oh my God. Okay, wait. So, okay. Hannibal played the one guy. Yes. Killed the other guy. And put him in switched clothes with him. Switched clothes,

put his face on Hannibal's face. Yes. Put the other guy's body on top of the elevator in Hannibal's clothes. Took his face and hair. And so the guy that his friend who he was talking to. Was whispering sweet nothings to Hannibal. Was Hannibal the whole time.

And they didn't realize it was Hannibal until Hannibal's already in the ambulance. Uh-huh. Motherfucker. Yeah. It's bad. Great scene. Emily, it's bad. It's bad.

It's bad. It's bad. But good. But wow. Good scene. Holy hell. Okay. And then Clarice and Ardeliaelia are doing their they're like going

through the evidence the folder that he gave back to him they're paying him they're ponging they're really they're like brainstorming she's like every he said everything we need is right here and he's written a note on a map that's it's like the body the location that they found the three bodies and he says doesn't this seem desperately random or something like that yeah and like earlier they said like what is he doing he's coveting what do we covet we covet what we see like so like he's

already planted this for her and so she's like saying it back right she's like Ardelia what do we covet and Ardelia's like we covet what we see and she's like yes and it's like this weird back and forth Ardiel's like yeah you're Hannibal now

normal good good good good girl talk um and so she Clarice figures out he must have known the first victim the third body found because that was his first crime and he covets what he sees every day yeah why would

you wait one body down and not the other ones because you know that person you're and you're you don't want to be caught you know right right so then she starts going back to um that family's house can't remember where it is but she's like i'm gonna interview the dad again go look through his house and she well okay wait what let's see what the order of this is yeah okay so it's complicated now it's like a lot of cutting back and forth yes this is all like cutting back and forth now now it's now it's a good scene all right oh my god they're playing goodbye horses and you see a close up of Someone putting lip gloss On over and over and over We see his whole body too

I don't know the exact sequence but like He's wearing a kimono he's Topless he's got a little A tear drop On a nipple ring Very interesting got a thorn in his Side he's got a lot of tattoos So he's putting on

this lip gloss and he says another iconic thing is like would you fuck me i'd fuck me so hard oh my god as he's wearing the scalp head is it a lady scalp yes yes and so he gets up in his kimono completely nude and he tucks his dick because he's doing this for a camera. He's like dancing in front of a camera. So he tucks his dick and then kind of is like dancing like he's a woman like, you know, seducing the camera. And

while this is happening because he's pretty distracted, Catherine is in the well trying to lure Precious with a bone. A chicken bone. So she has the bucket that she's like flung up with the bone and she's

trying to basically like pull the dog in to get some leverage. You can tell her hands are bony now. She's like lost weight. She's been starved. So we're getting close to when he's gonna kill her yeah yes so that's also pie wise in such a good mood oh yeah he's feeling great

he's like i this is gonna be a good day i can tell oh god that's so disturbing soft moisturized skin um and then so back to back to um the first victim's house she sees that she she has a sewing room yes well after she finds like she's going through the girl's room and she finds in a like one of those jewelry boxes with the dancing ballerina she finds nude pictures of this girl like not fully nude but like someone's been taking pictures of her nude and she also is a bigger woman um and so she's looking in another room and um in her room she sees a dress with two diamond pattern shape like the sewing pattern of it is the same pattern that was cut out of her back. And so it's like

it's the way you would cut fabric to make a suit. Oh God. And so she like freaks out. She calls Crawford and she's like he's making a suit he's making a like or whatever. He's like

yeah she like making a human suit. Yeah. She like figures out and he's like don't worry whatever he's like yeah she like making a human suit yeah she like figures it he's like don't worry we got him we know who he is right they've like tracked down like the hospital records where he tried to get like uh gender reassignment surgery and they found they don't have his real name address um they like i don't know they've like cross-referenced things and they've found where he had the moths sent to also. His name is James Gum. They're like, we got him. He's in Chicago. We're on our way

there now. They're in a plane. Then he also says, but we want to make sure we have the strongest case we have, so keep interviewing her friends and stuff to tie him to this murder. Hey, Starling, this wouldn't have happened without you. Good job, guys.

Good job. So he's condescending. He sucks. And so she then goes to talk to her first victim's best friend and that gets information from her that like, oh, we used to work for this woman, Mrs. Lipman, doing alterations for her

I don't Know what she's hoping to find out but she's Basically just trying to like I guess Tie Buffalo Bill to this Crime definitively And so she is like great I'll go talk to Mrs. Lipman or whatever And so

As that's about to happen we cut back To the other scene and they have like a Flower delivery guy that's about to happen, we cut back to the other scene and they have like a flower delivery guy who's about to like they have SWAT ready. They're going to go like storm this house. And then it's like inside we see Buffalo Bill. And Catherine has like gotten the dog.

And so the tension is like ramping up inside. The dog is hurt and he's like, don't you hurt my dog? And she says, don't you make me hurt your dog she's like I need a cell phone and then as that's happening he gets the like the bell is ringing and you see the like flower man

outside yeah and so we cut to he opens the door and it's Starling and they raided the wrong house they're in a house that's empty. And that's the Miss Lipman's address.

I literally have chills. I have chills right now. Oh my God. It's truly like, oh fuck. Oh God. Are we getting too granule because we're going to ruin this for everyone? Okay. That's the point.

The whole point is these details. So we No, that's the point. That's the point. So the whole point, the whole point is these details. So we find out that he's like, Oh yeah, I bought this house after her or whatever. She know that it's him. Not initially. Isn't he wearing a scalp?

No, no, no. He's like, as he's like right up the stairs, he's like putting on normal. He's like trying to be normal. He even like tucks his shirt in.

It's crazy. He's like, Oh, like I have, I have her son's business card maybe you can maybe that can help he's asking he's asking her like a ton of questions it's like it's a sitcom better get my scalp off he's asking her like a ton of questions he's like well do you guys have fingerprints or do you like he's like the police around here

don't seem to know anything like yeah do you have a name do you have a description and then is it that she sees a moth and a sewing machine and she's like in the house with like the door closed behind her now and she and she starts to like you see that she gets really she unbuttons her gun so he's like turned around like looking

and she is so cool how she does like she just kind of flips off her gun and she says can i use your phone and he is like sure and he starts cracking up he starts really laughing it's like trying to like cover his laughing it's so like unnerving you know in that moment that he knows he's caught she knows that he knows like everybody knows like the jig is up there and you see that he has a gun hidden behind like on his stovetop in another room so and so she like yeah she's like she's nervous though she doesn't grab her So she like, yeah, she's like, freeze asshole. She's nervous though. She doesn't grab her gun immediately. She grabs it and is like, freeze and he's already gone.

And she's like, fuck. Like she just has to go after him. So she's like chasing him through his fucking disgusting nasty house filled with like moth cocoons. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. The top part of the house is gross enough. Yes. And then the basement is like, are there even walls walls like it's like dirt it's so gross like the well is like dirt

obviously runs into a room and sees a half finished lady skin suit she isn't she sees katherine and katherine's like save. And she's like, Catherine, you have to calm down. Yeah, I'm going to help you. But I have to go right now. And she's like, you fucking bitch. Catherine's mad. Look, she's cold. She's wet.

She's hungry. She's about to be murdered for all she knows. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. She's having a day. And so she runs into another room. And in that room, in the bathtub is a completely liquefied corpse. Oh, what? It's our Miss Lipman.

Oh, he's killed her. Yeah. I mean, we're to assume that's who. Wait, liquefied? Like, what does that even mean? I feel like in Breaking Bad, like how they try to like dissolve people's bodies to get rid of it. It's like he's doing that. And so she's like, so she like how they try to like dissolve people's bodies to get rid of it it's like he's doing

that and so she's like so she like fucking knows right for sure for sure she does yes she knows she needs the scalp she definitely already knows so she goes into a room that is completely pitch black no he cuts the lights everywhere

he like he turns off the lights in the whole building and she's in like the basement. Is it night time? No, but it's in the basement. And all the windows are painted black. So we didn't mention earlier in the scene where he takes Catherine, he is in the woods watching her

through night vision goggles. Oh God, so he can see. So he turns on his night vision goggles and she's in the dark and it is the spookiest looking scene. I have it filmed on my phone. I sent it to Jenna because I was so scared watching it. It's really scary.

And Jodie Foster, she has that look of someone who's completely suddenly blind. Where you're blind and she's just frantically pressing herself against the wall and he's just so in control of this he's just watching her like freak out and then eventually he's like touch he almost reaches out to her face and she's like not noticing and he's almost touching her he's right

there she doesn't feel she's like so in the dark can't can't even tell and then he takes out his gun oh god and he cocks it and when she hears the cock she spins around and just starts shooting shooting shooting shooting shooting and she shoots out one of the windows during the shootout so then it's light again and you see him

like sputtering blood on the floor she shot him a lot of times she shot him a lot of times guys like him a lot of times guys like it is like a panic moment where she's like also we see a lot of Nazi memorabilia oh yes down there yes guess what he also is

a white princess in case you were concerned about whether or not he's cool yeah he's not good he's definitely not a good one and so yeah then that they she got him he dies Crawford and them come to her it's a

very annoying shot as she's like leaving the so they bring Catherine out Catherine's got the dog you can tell Catherine's gonna keep that dog Catherine's gonna make her cat get along with that dog did we know earlier the cat growls when Catherine gets taken away her cat get along with that dog Yes Did we know earlier the cat growls When Catherine gets taken away the cat growls

Aww my cat growls sometimes That's really cute I was just gonna say Like I was like would I want that dog I don't know I think I would pass on that dog I get that the dog had no choice in the matter But you know what it is

It's like in Speed when Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock kind of have this intense moment. So they're like, oh, we're in love now. Yeah. She feels bad about Precious. Where it's like, I overcame this. Yes, they got through it together.

It's what they try to manufacture on The Bachelor on every single one of those one-on-one dates. They're like, go skydiving. You're in love now. You're in love now! So when Crawford arrives on the scene, he immediately puts his arm around Starling

and then waves the cameras away. Oh, fuck Crawford. And it's so weird and belittling. Yeah. Ew. So then we have her graduating from the Academy. So she's she's a full fledged. So what happened to Hannibal? We're getting there.

OK, so we're at her reception. She's an FBI agent. Crawford's like hanging out in the back, like winking at her and stuff. And so they're like, Starling, you got a phone call. And then she runs into Crawford and he's like, you know, I think. Great. You're going to be blah, blah, blah. I don't even remember what he says it's just like

it's so clear that like he's like I would like to fuck you a lot and she's like get in line I mean she's nice so then she goes to the phone call and who's on the phone it's Hannibal Lecter hello Clarice exactly

you're good at it too and he's like don't bother tracing the phone call I won't be on the line and he's like and we see he's like wearing like Tommy Bahama he's got like a white fedora

he's somewhere in an island town like Margaritaville exactly and he's on Like on a payphone and he says I'm gonna meet an old friend for dinner He says I'm having an old friend For dinner that's what it is I'm having an old friend for dinner and we see

Dr. Frederick in the distance And then he just hangs up And she's like Dr. Lecter Dr. Lecter she says it so many times Dr. Lecter Dr. Lecter And then we just see him like walking away hangs up and she's like dr lector dr lector she says it so many times like dr lector dr lector and then we just see him like walking away walking into a crowd as the like camera pans back and that's it that's oh my god we don't get him he's not god well it's a series roll credits I feel like a woman. Yes.

It's a series? You said? It's based on books and it is like, I don't know if it's a trilogy or more because there's Red Dragon, there's, well, Hannibal, I think,

is the next one and then Red Dragon is the third one. Did they make other movies? Yes. There's actually one before it called, is it Mindhunter? Like, that is like a Hannibal.

Maybe. I know that I've seen most of them, but this is the only one fort called is it mind hunter like that is like a Hannibal maybe yeah I know that I've seen most of them but none I this is the only one that really I remember I asked like while I was watching this I was like it's so interesting they cast Jodie Foster who kind of came on the scene as a child prostitute

like that was her from taxi driver yeah yeah and like this over sexualized young woman right and like to put her in this role where she and like this over sexualized young woman right right and like to put her in this role where she's like over sexualized even though she's not doing a thing to like to be sexual yeah yeah so interesting emily how are you doing i mean that was amazing i truly was going through the motions being like, are murderers scarier than ghosts? I like because I've always thought ghosts were scarier. Are you insane?

Look, if something crashes in your house, you got to pray for a ghost. Well, demon, demon. Let's say demon instead. Even still, we're not positive what it can do in our physical world. You know a man in your house, what they can do. Yeah. Well, you know what? I've always been stubborn about it and I've always thought demons were scariest and this was the first time that I was

like, this is fucking scary. You always want a ghost over. Yeah, I think you're right. Marcy, thank you so much for saying that because this has been my point of view since day one. Yeah. Men are way scarier than ghosts. Yes. Case scenario. You got a ghost

who's going to be like, I opened a cabinet. Oops. They're going to be like, I want you to confront my abusive mother. They're just like, can you see me? If not, I don't know, maybe knock something off the shelf.

Wow. I love this movie. I honestly don't know if I can see it, um wow I loved this movie I honestly don't know if I can see it though it sounds really tough it's pretty scary it is scary and like just disturbing and will stick with you but man does it sound so very good yeah

I think it's Ed Kemper who made um who used like the skin of his victims to make Like lamp shades Ed Gein That's like Texas Chainsaw Massacre He's like it's a lamp

A belt made of nipples That's a literal thing he made And then yeah back to that The hodgepodge of people So it's Ed Gein, Ted Bundy and Gary Heidnik And Gary so Ed Gein was the skin one Ted Bundy was the luring women By acting injured hodgepodge of people it was so it's ed gain ted bundy and gary heidnik and gary so ed gain was the skin one ted bundy was the luring women by acting injured and gary heidnik kept women in a pit in his basement jesus christ like sex slaves oh my god everything is so bad and those are real

people exactly that's awful i like was reading a really interesting article about Catherine the last victim And that she Like that If the stereotype of a fat Woman is that she's lonely Gullible starve for affection And therefore an Easy victim also like the idea that he was like

I like he He needs someone fat that he can Make skinny so their skin is loose whatever I don't think that's I don't know maybe I guess But but that He needs someone fat that he can make skinny so their skin is loose. Whatever. I don't think that's... I don't know. Maybe, I guess. But that she wasn't your typical because she was so boisterous and she was so strong. But also, it's all very insulting as a fat woman, as a fat woman.

Even that implication is like, is she unusual? Yeah. Right. Wow. This girl's brave enough to not just be killed she's got a lot of golf or a fat lady and this is also maybe walking into like some controversial territory but i wonder also how people will back on this film once trans rights have like fully manifested themselves in our society and like the fact that the villain is so like deeply disturbed and also trans is probably not there is a line in it what

do they say they do say that like he believes he's trans but he's not because clarice at one point is like trans people are not violent people and he says correct like he just believes he's trans because he hates his himself so much he was I can't remember and it's essentially like he doesn't want to be a woman he wants to control these women and he wants to kill them he hates himself he doesn't want to be himself

got it but it is interesting it has very modern themes in it it's really cool yeah and um but it is yeah. It has very modern themes in it. It's really cool. But it is so interesting. There's the interesting race stuff. The feminism stuff.

Feminism, sizism and stuff. Yeah. Well, Marcy, thank you so much. Thank you so much. We're all terrified of murderers now. Which is maybe a good thing to have. Be safe out there. Be scared always. five of murderers now, which is maybe a good healthy fear to have. I think it's a good thing. Yeah. Be scared. Be scared always.

Takeaways are be scared of men always, no matter what. Best case scenario, they're fine and normal. Worst case scenario, they're going to kill you and most likely they're annoying. So, avoid men at all costs. Yeah. Same for everything. Yeah. Across the

board. So, across the board. So there it is. Bleak. Bleak. Sorry. This podcast is bleak. Marcy, you did such an amazing job telling us about this movie. I feel like, honestly,

I do want to see it, though. I'm inspired to see it. I'm going to. Watch it. Be scared. Should we all do the hamster voice? Goodbye Carice. It's awful. I felt bad to do it.

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