Too Scary; Didn't Watch - WINCHESTER with Christine Schiefer & Em Schulz

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

Laudanum, ghosts, Helen Mirren and a completely unnecessary male protagonist, we're recapping WINCHESTER with the hosts of "And That's Why We Drink" podcast! Christine and Em are here to tell us the REAL story behind the famous Winchester Mystery House - including all the details of their VIP/BTS tour of the insane 160 room mansion!  TRAILER Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies. And so I watch them so that you don't have to. But before we get into this week's movie, we've got a little bit of haunted housekeeping.

Haunted housekeeping. Before we get into this week's movie, we've got a little bit of haunted housekeeping. Haunted housekeeping. Which is that we have another live virtual show on December 3rd at 6 p.m. Is that correct? 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern. That's right. That's right.

We will be recapping. Well, first, importantly, all three of us will be together in the same physical location, which is a huge event for us personally. A rarity. Henley will be in LA. We will all be together. It's very, very exciting. And we're going to be recapping a new release, The Menu, which goes wide in theaters this week, this Friday.

November 18th, I think is the date. Can't wait to... We haven't seen it yet, so hopefully it's good, but it looks good. I'm excited, excited, excited to recap it. And we're going to do all sorts of fun stuff that we could only do being together and having a visual element to the podcast. So if you want to hear the recap and also see the visual elements, which is why everybody subscribes to podcasts. You can watch our show.

You get tickets at moment.co slash t-s-d-w m-o-m-e-n-t dot c-o slash t-s-d-w and it's going to be a great time. The stream, the video, will be available for a week after that date if you buy tickets. So if you're not available

on the 3rd at 6pm Pacific, 9pm Eastern, but it will be available at any point within the next calendar week, which imagine if you were not available at any moment for a whole week. I'm sorry for you for that. But if you are, you can still watch it. I'm really excited. Mostly, I'm just excited to hang out with you guys in person. So excited. Also, it's an excuse to dress up. We're going to dress fancy. Currently, I only wear leggings and t-shirts. You did recently describe a sweater vest as a bra. I'm currently wearing a sweater vest. So that's the kind of dressing up we're typically doing. I bought a sweater vest recently. It's blown up my closet. I mean, it's like changed every outfit. I mean, you guys are not the same person. Hearing you talk about it, I immediately was online shopping for sweater vests.

I got two now. Well, I need one. Hearing it described as an alternative for a bra is really game changing. Love that. Okay. Did anything scary happen to us this week, you guys? I just have a quick little thing, which is, as people may know by now, I have four cats. And one of them recently, the oldest one, she's 12.

And by all accounts, she is the best one. She's the least offensive most of the time. Has decided her new thing is to scream in the middle of the night. Just walk around the house. Walk around our bed. Just circle the bed yelling at us. For seemingly no reason. Joel took her to the vet recently just for a checkup.

I was like, she's doing this. Is anything wrong? And they're like, no, it doesn't seem like it. And if she's still eating, she's still acting normal. Otherwise she's just probably yelling at you. And we've looked up, do cats get more vocal as they get older? The answer is yes. And I really

am not a fan of this new habit. If anybody has thoughts, if their cats have done this, it's just like, it sounds like she's just bored. Like it's not a distress cry. It's just sort of like, it's so loud and it's so annoying. cry it's just sort of like it's like can you but it's so loud and it's so annoying and it's like every night now oh my god can you kick her out of your room does she freak out if she's not allowed in your room i mean we could kick her out of our room but so

then we'd have to kick every we can't trap anybody in the room four cats in a bedroom while i'm trying to sleep is a nightmare goddamn nightmare we'd have to trap them all out and then they'd probably fight with each other and be loud outside. It's just like, it's a whole thing, you know? It's too many cats. It's dynamic. It's too many cats. So if anybody has thoughts, love to hear them. Okay, well, speaking of boredom, my thing this week is that I have a desperate plea to listeners to please send me your recommendations about children's books, like infant books that I can read. And I won't want to like, you know, jump in the lake afterwards. You're bored with Silas's books? I'm reading.

So he loves to read, which is great. It's a blessing. But oh, my God, he wants to read the same books over and over again. So I have so many memorized, like Little Blue Truck, Chicka Chicka Boom Boom. Like they are just on. Will there be enough room? Is that the next line? Chicka.

Oh, my God. Don't put me on the spot. Sorry. I just remember that one. I remember that one. Yeah, they are like he's relentless about wanting to reread these. And so I just need I just need some new ideas. Anyone?

Anyone? There's one that we particularly don't like called Pout Pout Fish. I'm a pout pout fish with a pout pout face. I spread the dreary wearies all over the place. I spread the dreary wearies? Yeah. It's such a weird message. Is it about like, don't be sad ever don't

show that you're sad fucking like buck up bitch like what is basically at the so okay this fish is very sad and he's going around and he's spreading his sadness everyone's trying to make him feel better no one can make him feel better until this kind of like sultry fish swims out and gives him a kiss oh no oh no unprovoked kissing not you know non-consensual kissing also like hello uh men of the world if you're grumpy long enough you'll get a kiss you guys it's insane this is guys, it's insane. This is a New York Times bestseller, like top of the list. There are multiple spinoffs. This feels like another sadness getting 91%.

Like the public is wrong. The rating systems are all whack right now. But anyway, so this other fish kisses the pow pow fish and then he completely transforms and he's no longer the pow pow fish i don't like it i don't like it either and i can't believe people are reading this book but silas really likes listening to the pow pow fish the pow pow face he can't read right so could you just lie to him about could you change the words well we just put it away like so he doesn't see it yeah but anyway i need some suggestions okay any favorites i'd love to know yep tell us your

children's book suggestions um yeah i have a very quick one that is just that emily and i exercised eight days ago and i am still sore from it is that really hard normal it was really it was like the hardest class what did you guys do we did our aerial yoga aerial yoga which is very fun and it's great very expensive i know i only do it i know i have like a pass that i like milk with for all it's worth and i'll be like i can't go for another three weeks because i'll run out of the past what is aerial yoga are you guys like on a i'm imagining like a sheet that you're like it's like a little it's like a hammock so i'll i will send you pictures but it's it's really cool but this one this particular class is like it's also it's a it's a core and booty class.

You use the hammock doing like squats and stuff. And holy shit. But it's not my core and booty that are hurting. It is my arms. She was making us do things that felt like Olympic level athlete exercises, like holding your whole body weight up by your arms and like lifting your legs up and down like pull-ups kind of but which i can't do and i felt embarrassed and so i really tried oh i do that too i overcompensate i overcompensate in those situations it's like yeah that is how you hurt yourself but yeah yes i was like i can feel that my body can't like it's not this isn't i i would need to really work up to this thing that she

seems to be doing effortlessly it was just sort of like go no so anyways yeah everyone just be careful out there know your limits it's okay to not try to do the olympic level exercises yeah and then you won't be sore for eight days i'm i just like wake up each day and it's it's when i lift my arms up to like get something out of cabinet i'm like wow still hurting oh no i've been there where i couldn't even like lift my arm up more than this and i remember going to work one day and i couldn't my boss was like are you okay i was like trying to like hand him something it's like i can't lift my arms up Just like dead arm Completely dead arms It's scary out there

But something else scary that happened to me this week Was that I watched this week's movie Which is Winchester Came out in 2018 directed by The Sparig Brothers Michael and Peter Sparig Written by Tom Vaughn and the Sparig Brothers, starring Helen Mirren, Jason Clarke and Sarah Snook.

And it is streaming on Amazon and Hulu. And we have two guests with us today who I feel like are probably experts on the Winchester House. So that's very exciting. We're thrilled to have them. They're the hosts of And That's Why We Drink. Em and Christine, welcome. Thank you for being here. Welcome. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having us. But I also have to say all those memes I've seen of like, oh my god, Em, I'm in torture. Yes, it's torture. I know what you're gonna say. Watching or listening to a podcast and wanting to like scream your opinions at them, but knowing they wouldn't be able to hear.

Like we just had to sit here in silence. At one point I was waving my arms about the pout pout fish. I saw it. I was like, okay, we got pout pout fish. I was like, I need to chill out. Pout pout fish sounds like an incel. I'm pretty sure you were talking about Miss Shimmer and like Leona also loves the pow pow fish but the one about where it has to go find a pearl in the ocean I don't know it's like a spin off but it's just

Miss Shimmer I'm like what is your deal like she's lurking everywhere why is he the message here he's given you nothing why are you just kissing people what's happening but also we are sex positive about Miss Shimmer so she can do whatever she wants. Yeah, Ms. Shimmer can do what she wants but what I don't like is the message being conveyed to Pop-Pop Fish.

He was rewarded. He was rewarded for being problematic. Absolutely. I don't like it. And he's being told that it's okay to be mad until you get the kiss you want and the kiss will come. You don't have to do anything to get it. Exactly.

You deserve the kiss. come you don't have to do anything to get it exactly you deserve the kiss yeah it's we could all together write like the spinoff and like and just like actually educate children on the narrative change the narrative yeah it was a unique torture to just sit there and be like oh my god my cat screams all the time too and i i know i i've researched this extensively and it's because he's like hunting. And then he brings us little presents. And they're usually ones he, isn't that, it's horrible. I'm like, I don't want this present. There's a specific yell of, there's this one toy they have, which is the fish.

And they all do it if they have the fish. There's a specific, because it's also really big. So it also makes a specific sound when they're holding it. And it's like, and it's like, I've got the fish. And sound when they're holding it and it's like and it's like i've got the fish and they just like drop it and you're like the cool the worst is my cat likes to drown things and so he'll drop them in the water bowl and then he'll bring them into our bed and like put them on my pillow and they're like so wet that's worse this is just a reminder to me why i am childless and petless i am like i don't know like it's never don't know, like it's never a dull

moment, you know, it's never a dull moment, but also nothing here is ever damp. So like you can investigate why and it's about it. Yeah. I have a lot less exploring to do to figure out my answers. Oh, everything here is damp. That's a good point. Everything in my home is definitely damp. Yes. All of my clothes are damp. This is why, yeah, this is why I can only wear sweater vests. I'm now Googling sweater vest shopping. I mean, I've already learned so much today. My eyes have been opened. Thank you for having us. Oh my God. Thank you for being here. Christine, anything scary happened to either of you this week?

Always. Every week. I mean, all the dampness. That's every week? Always. Every week. I mean, all the dampness. That's every week. Yeah. I have something scary that's happening tonight, especially for people with social anxiety. It's probably like a nightmare. Can I just say real quick? I saw this on my calendar because we share like a podcast calendar.

And all I saw was like, M at like social dinner or something. And I was like, what is that? Is that what you're about to talk about? Sounds scary. I have so many questions. It's a dinner with strangers on purpose. Oh, no. Oh, my.

Why? What? Tell me everything. I don't know how much I'm supposed to say. I don't know. It's just called the influencers dinner. And that's all I know. Oh, my God.

Apparently, 12 people have been invited who shouldn't know who they are. It's like a weird thing. Are you going to get murdered? I was going to say, this sounds like the menu. There's one horror movie with Brittany Snow called Would You Rather? And this feels like the beginning of that. Oh no. She literally goes to a house full of strangers and they all have to play like a like a psychological game together what the fuck i was like christine you

have this info on your calendar right so if if something happens to em you know where well i'm like not loving this because i'm like i don't want to carry this whole podcast i'm not this one ours em's in mind on my back and like if something happens to you like i'm screwed too so you be careful i have find my friends on my phone but there's's like, it's some, so there's, I don't, it's very shady. I'm admitting to how shady it is. Cause I don't know a lot, but all I know is that it's like a dinner where there's going to be like a dozen people there.

And like, we have to all make a dinner together, which is like so fucking weird to me. No, we have to make dinner and, uh and uh uh and then we all sit down and eat and just through our small talk where we avoid talking about our jobs we have to like guess each other's jobs i don't know who it's apparently some psychologist like come in a sealed envelope on your doorstep or how did this come to be apparently this is like a once a year thing where they have like this dinner and it's always 12 new people. I don't know how cool. Have you ever heard from anyone who's done this before?

I mean, are they still around? It's the weirdest thing. I have no idea if this is a complete scam and I'm just walking into a random person's house. Either way, I'm walking into a random person's house. Right. But I also am a bit of a social butterfly, so I'm excited to network. Yeah, this is very much down Em's alley. Like I am freaking out on your behalf, but I think you're going to nail it.

If I die, know that it was like, definitely I asked for it. An interesting way to die. Doing what you love. Yeah, I will say it sounds like all those crime books I read, like those fictional crime books I read, like murder mysteries where everyone's in one building and there's a storm outside and then one person falls dead and you're like, who did it? You're all like making bread together or whatever. None of you know who anybody really is.

So how could you find the suspects? You know, when you leave. Somebody seems suspicious, but maybe it's just a trick. Or a job. Where do they live? I don You know, when you leave. Somebody seems suspicious, but maybe it's just a trick. Or what they do for a job. Where do they live? I don't know. Surprise. Yeah.

I have no idea how it's going to go, but it is apparently it's supposed to be kind of mysterious because the less information I know, the better results we get. I don't know where these results are going. I don't have any idea. The results. I don't know. Some mad scientist is just like, yes, sit in a room. He's sitting in like the saw.

Like, I've never seen saw. I mean, I want to admit this right now, but I feel like he's watching all this from like a screen. The monitors. He might be. And I am. I'm truly, literally walking into this. So if something happens, we all it's it's recorded. I know what I did.

I know what I did. Great. OK. Wow. Best of luck. But know what I did. Great. OK. Wow. Best of luck. But I'm honestly very interested. Me too. I'm very interested if you survive this to hear how it went.

Me too. That's how I that's how I ended up in it. I was like, well, this could be a story. Honestly, I'm going to be offended as a true crime podcaster if you get murdered and everyone's like, didn't you warn Em? I'm like, I tried for five years. I've been telling stories like this. All the signs were there. Every single red flag. Yeah about you chris i'm trying to is there something scary going on in your life besides how damp your house is it's pretty damn scary

you set the bar very high um there's a lot of scary things and i've been thinking about this all day and we did have a couple little ghosty things that happened recently but the one thing that i feel like is most relevant is that something scary happened, which is that I started listening to your podcast, this lovely podcast. And I'm not a, like, I don't watch scary. I'm like you, I like, I'm scared of scary movies. And so is my husband. So like, we just don't, like, I just get to avoid them all I want. But listening, I listened to like the Mary Holland episode about Carrie and I love Stephen King, but I never read it. And now I'm in this like black hole

of like, well, maybe I will start watching these movies. And I feel like this is a dangerous place to be because I am a huge scaredy cat. And I feel like the way you present it was like, oh, I could I could be brave enough to watch this. It's intriguing. And now I think poor M's going to... It's a slippery slope. It's a slippery slope.

I feel like maybe I've done something bad and so I don't know. I'm gonna watch Carrie tonight. I'm very excited. If I could handle it, I'm sure you can. Okay, that's comforting. See, this is the slippery slope though. I'm like, well, they made it sound doable and like I'm

just gonna have nightmares and I'm. Christine had to take a Klonopin the last time we watched a horror movie together, so I don't know how this is gonna go i took like 60 milligrams of not klonopin sorry i took 60 milligrams of melatonin and i was like you'd be dead no i did but i wanted to be clear it was not 60 milligrams of klonopin what was it having like a full-on anxiety attack oh what was it which movie which movie sinister sinister Which is a bad one. That's a scary one. That's a scary one. Also, just getting through with melatonin is a really fun choice.

Well, I didn't get through it. I got through two minutes. No, she did it on purpose to poison herself so that way she could exit the narrative. I wanted to make myself unconscious and fall asleep. And I did that. And I did fall asleep. And I did that. And I did fall asleep. And my poor brother was home and got sucked into watching it and still regrets it to this day that you were at my house making us watch it. But I don't like like I don't like I've watched like Midsommar weirdly.

And I was like, oh, this is thrilling and interesting and exciting and terrifying. Yeah. But then I'm like the saw and all this business. I'm like, it's too I don't like it. I don't like the saw and all this business i'm like it's too i i don't like it i don't i don't like the goriness torture stuff the pain stuff i don't like it they're definitely different genres of horror and figuring out you gotta find what works for you figuring out what you're into is really important so i personally into none of them but if i was to choose, probably like a psychological horror.

The psychological stuff. Like I love the like get out and all that, you know. I mean, it's still hard for me because I'm still a big baby, but I like them more than I like the sinister and the ghoul. Do you like scary movies? It seems like maybe it's more up your alley if you're already going into sinister. It's definitely more up my alley considering I don't have to drug myself at sleepovers. But I used to, if you told 14-year-old me where I stand with horror movies today, I'd be really ashamed because 14-year-old me was-

Yeah, I feel like you were that teenager who was like going to the Saw films. Yeah. Oh, I saw every single one in theaters i was obsessed with like blair witch project and um and paranormal activity and the strangers and purge and like uh chucky i mean i watched like all the like classics when i was a kid and i would like fall asleep to the exorcist like i was so whoa i was like i i just really was like horror movies was like my personality. And then the second I became like I shifted from childhood to adult and like all of a sudden I had more awareness of my reality. Yeah.

No, I can't. I can't watch any of it. Interesting. Childhood me would be floored because I thought I was just going to grow up and just like be a horror movie. I was just be a horror movie. Well, the night is young tomorrow or tonight. We'll see. But yes, I just I can't watch them anymore.

The Strangers is really what changed me because it was too real. That's a tough one. It's terrible. Because you were home. Because you were home. And you know what? That sounds like true crimey too or it's like a wrong place wrong time and like no control over i mean i do get what you're saying i'm not like the second you kind of get a grip on like oh shit like really scary stuff like this does happen maybe it's like

a little too close to home i don't know maybe. Maybe that's just me. No, it just changed me. I was like, oh, okay. So now this, it's not like. It's not escapist. Great point. If anything, I'm diving in. Well, and so that seems like, tell us about your podcast because there is a true, I think true crime is so scary

and also there's paranormal element. Like, so you're delving into scary things all the time. Yeah, it's so weird like i i i know i just listened talked about the mary holland episode but i was like so relating her with her where i was like i was reading stephen king and when i was a kid but for some reason like all the scary movies i was i was terrified of like any i still can't go to like a haunted house or like a jump scare i can't do it yeah um but true crime is like the thing where i it doesn't phase

me like i mean i've seen the meme too where it's people are like, I can't watch a scary movie. It's too scary. And then like falls asleep listening to like he hacked her head off, you know, and it's like so weird how my brain is able to like find that kind of genre comforting or like interesting, but not as scary. But then, yeah, so I tell M stories every every week basically true crime stories that m doesn't know and then vice versa m is the paranormal half of the show yeah and i feel like i see i don't like true crime and that's how i that's why i don't know a lot of cases that she tells um because i that's too real to me like that could it could happen to anybody where i i feel comfortable in the paranormal because i'm like i can even though I'm a big believer in ghosts, there is a chance it's all bullshit. It's easier to talk yourself out of it.

Yeah. And so it's I'm very into ghost stories and spiritualism and all these things that there is a cop out like I could sneak away from it and close my eyes and cover my ears and just pretend it's not real. But you're a crime you can't get away from. Right, right, right. Yeah, it definitely did happen. Yeah, unfortunately. And that's real. Yeah. What do you think is comforting about true crime? Is it because I have friends that are obsessed with it. I have one friend who was going who is so obsessed with it. She made herself stop like looking at this website every day. She was like, I can't I can't remember which one it was, which website it was, but she was like, it's taking over my life. Like I literally need to like stop doing this. It happens. Well, you know, it's interesting. I, we were actually mentioned like

the first, we were mentioned in the New York times once, and this was just like a very weird blurb. And like, we had no idea this was coming. We were, we freaked out. I still have it framed somewhere. But anyway, that article was literally about why people, women in particular, are drawn to true crime. And I feel like they credited our show with some sort of information. And at the time I was like, I have no idea. I just think it's interesting. But now after reading this article that I was apparently part of. Oh, yes, it is how I feel.

I was like, wow, I'm so smart. I had no idea. I had no idea I felt that way, but it makes so much sense retroactively. But yeah, I think a big part of it, especially, I mean, I'm obviously generalizing here, but like for women or people who identify as women or even queer people, it's sort of like there's this element of being victimized over time, just so much more likely to be the victim of, you know, anything from domestic abuse to just like random crime. And I feel like there's an element of like taking control when you watch or learn these stories. And so you're you're kind of learning what happens. You're kind of getting a grasp on like, oh, there are people

you can't trust. There are people. And yeah, some people like me take it really far and are like, ooh, there's a murder. Like I'll sometimes just like memorize a license plate just in case. I'm like, that guy looks sketchy. Like, I mean, you know, you can take it very far. And I do. That's probably smart. It's going to save your life.

Maybe someday in my work. It's going to save your life one day. It might. I also think when it's like part of our career to be always thinking about true crime, we're just so ready to tap into oh that could be dangerous oh that could be dangerous yeah honestly the same way about like situations where i go this is the start of a horror movie like i'm like i'm i i just

see it now without even looking for it because you're just in it all the time in your mind yeah and meanwhile m decides to walk into a room of strangers without any sort of understanding of what's happening but But you know what? It's fine. I'll get over it. Look at some license plates on your way in. Yeah, there you go. I at least understand it's a bad call.

Like, I know what I'm doing. As long as you admit it, I feel fine. Yeah. I know it's stupid. And if something bad happens, I will be thinking all the signs were there. God damn it. How perfect would it be if I swooped in? Like, if I lived in L.A. still, I think I would be like you'd be like, what was that flash in the window?

It's like me just, you know, trying to make sure you're OK in there. Just like memorizing everyone's license plates and just like ready to swoop in at any moment. I will be taking pictures of every angle of this house and cross street and I'll be like, just in case. Just send me some pics as you walk in. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Or just live stream it from your pocket and then go viral that would actually do wonders for our tiktok content probably yeah you'll be dead but like we'll have so many followers

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before doing this podcast today so you've never heard of it no you guys hell? I don't know. All right, Em, this is like your spotlight is on, your microphone is ready. You take the stage. Okay. So the Winchester House, our main connection to it is we actually just hit 300 episodes for our podcast. And our very first one was I covered the Winchester House. It was the first episode ever. And I go first. So technically it's the first episode ever yeah and i go first so

technically it's the first topic we ever covered yeah um and so it's always been near and dear to our hearts and then every like 100 episodes or an anniversary some we try to bring the winchester mystery house back for like i guess to redeem ourselves from how much our research has changed since then. So episode 200, we redid, we had like a redemption episode where I redid it versus my one episode in Don't Know How to Research story. And then our 300th episode that just came out, we actually went to the Winchester house together and recorded an episode there.

In the carriage house, it was so cool. So cool. And it felt so cool too because it was full circle it was sort of like oh when we started this podcast like it just felt like oh like i mean i know i've heard you say it like oh our parents may be listening maybe not what are we doing like we're just doing this for fun and then 300 episodes later we're like in the winchester mystery house talking about it it was just very full circle and we got like a private tour after hours so the whole house was ours and it was so so cool and actually the person who gave us the um

the tour is the person who runs their tiktok account which is actually so funny for a house it's like such a good tiktok account the house has a tiktok account i can't even figure out tiktok a house has it it's really well done too. It's actually very funny. But Em, you got to tell Henley like what, why this house is so interesting. Okay. So the movie really took some parts to heart. It took a lot of liberties. A lot of liberties.

So everything you already know, just re-erase that from your mind. But no, Henley hasn't watched it, right? No, I haven't watched it. Yeah, no. Henley has not seen this. So we have to just start from you get to set the narrative yes i literally know nothing i know okay i'm a blank slate hi a blank slate i've always wanted to meet you yeah i was like oh boy here we go okay so the winchester mystery house uh in the 1800s uh there was a woman named sarah winchester her husband was was the heir to Winchester Rifles.

Yeah, Winchester Rifles. And he ended up dying and she ended up taking his percentage of the company, which at the time, like it was the money that she ended up getting from inheriting his stocks and the Winchester rifle company. She never had to ever think about money again in her life. She was just like Elon Musk money, basically. It was like crazy. So she ended up getting this house, but she felt so guilty about all of the deaths that had been related to that had come from Winchester rifles. So anyone in war who had been shot by a Winchester rifle, anyone in general who's just bought a Winchester rifle and there's been an accident.

There were a lot of Native American groups that were just completely demolished by the Winchester rifle. And so can I insert just one bit, which is that when she was on, she lived on the East Coast and she had lost her infant daughter and her husband in a very short time. And just obviously this was like very horrifically difficult. And she was really struggling. She had all this money, we don't really know, but something about like, you know, oh, the spirits from the Winchester rifles. And so I guess that's how she kind of got it in her mind. But they're cursing you.

There's a curse. There's a curse on the Winchester family for everything that has come from these rifles. Real bummer to go to a psychic and be told that. Yeah. Wow. That's not like comforting at all. Thanks. You're causing a lot of damage, this yeah and so she ends up uh listening to the psychic who tells

her to move across the country um she moves to san jose which is where the house is and she starts or she already the house itself starting out was like an eight bedroom house which you would think is already enough for one woman living there it's pretty big um but she too many too many rooms but she ended up feeling like she owed it to these spirits or um either owed it to the spirits or she was scared of the spirits the story is a little wishy-washy on what her thoughts of the ghosts were yeah yeah some think that she was scared of the ghosts and trying to hide from them but uh she had a construction crew 24 7 constantly building rebuilding demolishing rebuilding repainting her entire house like there was one for example like a beautiful stained glass window that the tour guide showed us and like right behind it was just this big wall because she just put it up it was like up there for like a month and then a wall was built behind it like just

constantly rearranging rebuilding restructuring there were and just because she had she lived in that house for years and years and years and she constantly was building until she died and so she was just coming up with like over time you have to get creative. And so she's coming up with doors that just lead to like nothing and stairs that lead to nothing. And there's one part in the floor that's also a glass stained window. So you just have to like look over the banister and it's just all a glass window into the bottom floor. Or she would she like had her the first carriage house that had like car wash equipment. And so like power wash hoses to like wash the carriages and stuff. Yeah.

So she would just come up with anything. And it ended up being this massive home. The stats are very easy to find, but it's like some things are like there's 60 rooms, but then there's like three fireplaces. And then there's like like 13 bathrooms, 13 that she was really into 13, which they did capture in the movie. But she one of the reasons she kept building this house is they think she was trying to make it too, which we I don't think necessarily knew until we did the tour in person and got like the behind the scenes, is that she was actually like very well loved and like a very like gracious, powerful and also like beloved person. And so all the people she had working under her, it wasn't like she was, you know, like a terrible boss or anything. Turn on the window. Exactly. Exactly. Like she was very good to her employees. She actually anybody who worked for her, their entire family was given a place to live on the estate, like on the property.

And so there was an example of like the head gardener or something lived there with his wife and his daughter and named his daughter. Her middle name is winchester after sarah like people really loved her and she was like very also very progressive and um her niece who uh in the movie is uh what's her name marion uh it was apparently also like extremely progressive for the time like was one of the first suffragettes you know and all this so i feel like there was a lot of cool history too that's not necessarily ghosty but yeah it's it sounds like maybe she was building i don't know as having no information besides what you've just given me um i wonder if she also was kind of just like needed to build this family around her and that's why i love that like have that company all the time and

like keep people there keep people around Give them a reason to be there. That makes total sense. Ooh, I just got chills. Like, that makes a lot of sense. And that's how people felt. Like, they felt like they were part of this big family. And I know Marion did actually live with her. Like, we saw her room.

And it was very cool. It had, like, butterflies everywhere. It was just very, you know, it was just cool to see. The movie, you know, was a little buck wild. But there are definitely a lot of, like, similarities. Where is the house? Where is it located? It's in San Jose, California.

Okay. San Jose, California. Yeah. So yeah, she really liked the number 13. She actually has her own like room where she would like talk to the spirits and they would give her new design ideas, which is at midnight. Right. Isn't that part was real.

Yeah. That all part that whole part in the movie was interesting also in the movie i noticed that the room where she was channeling these spirits was in the part of the building that you and i got to see that most people don't which was like the witch hat where like it cones and tunnels so it happened to be i just saw in the movie that it was a room where like it all was like like all the ceiling it's like coned yeah the whole room is coned where eventually there's like a tippy top uh point like a witch's hat it's like a witch's hat you get it sorry sorry but when you stand in like the perfect center of the room your voice echoes through the room cool it was very cool

you can like hear yourself it's very weird like you can hear yourself talk but like in you know and i think it's kind of neat too that they they don't totally know why some of that stuff was built and it like of course we all want to know why but it's kind of cool the mystery is still there of like we don't totally know what she was doing in this room like maybe doing seances maybe just writing journal entry like who knows but it just has some really cool, like, architectural stuff. So, sorry, I feel like we're just blabbing about the house now. No, it's so interesting. Yeah, I've been there.

I think it's so cool. I'm obsessed with it as well. Yeah, I think it's so, so cool. To hear all of this. Yay. Okay, should we watch the trailer for this movie? Yes. Then talk about it?

Yes. Let's do it. It's gargantuan seven storied structure with no apparent rhyme or reason. Built on the orders of a grieving widow. Sarah Winchester's mind is as chaotic as the house itself. We're worried about her sanity, Dr. Price.

Mrs. Winchester, it's a pleasure to finally meet you. Do you believe in ghosts, Dr. Price? I do not believe in anything I cannot see or study. I feel their presence in the air, in the walls. It has found presence. In the air. In the walls. It has found us.

Mrs. Winchester. Wild and construction. The spirits. Killed by the rifle. We lock them away. Thirteen nails seals them in. I will do whatever it takes to protect my family. This spirit has a power we've not seen before. I'm not afraid. Waiting for thee Sounds of the rude world heard in the day

I'm not afraid I'll buy them a ride of all past away You leave my family alone Your anger will never defeat us you know you throw a uh singing child into anything it's game over for me oh very scary very scary move yeah helen murin what a vision i know with the black veil oh but that part was true too is that she actually was in mourning for like years over her and wore black only funeral clothes do you remember the the fact they told us on this horror about it purple oh yes i think you could graduate to purple after a certain number of years like

after wearing black like such strict morning rules i feel like at a time and i think it was like 10 years or something and then you can you could you could start adding purple to your wardrobe and it was like oh yeah and so a lot of the house was like decorated in a way that would complement her wearing black or purple or something like that i love this woman i know she's a she's a she's a battle axe indeed yeah um also is that the actual did they shoot in the mansion no they built a replica they shot actually did some of it right they did very little they did um i think a few like main shots but everything had to be sound stages because the house itself is really cramped it's really hard to film in there oh and she was very short i think she was like five foot two or something like very small yeah and it

was all built like to her you know dimensions yeah i kept having i'm six feet so i had to keep ducking every time we walked under doors too and i'm like i want to go oh perfect she's like walking around a little habit hole for me she even has a shower like she was one of the first people i guess in the state or something to have a shower and um it like uh it was perfectly built to like you know hit her her size so you'd be you'd be like in heaven she also had um just like how they showed the intercom system in the movie and then they showed the that weird winding staircase that was like like steps that were three inches tall and you very slowly had to go up these stairs

that was true too she had really terrible arthritis and um the only way she couldn't lift her legs a certain amount so steps for her had to basically be a ramp they were like risers sort of yeah so that she didn't have to walk up real stairs. And they did say actually in that part with the little risers that they did try to film in there. But it was the audio and lighting was just so difficult that like they ended up making a full replica of that little stair thing. But wow. Anytime I'm on stairs like that, I find it really disorienting. Yeah, it is. Put your leg up. It shuts off.

stairs like that i find it really disorienting yeah it is put your leg up it's also weird because like for what could have maybe just been like three or four stairs i felt like it took us five minutes to walk up that thing because it just kept winding and winding and winding it actually worked really well for me i can't i physically can't do stairs and so i like the i was like hey i might throw some works for everybody you and emily are gonna move in and just be like in heaven well i won't be able to shower but i will be able to get upstairs kneel in the shower i do love a sitting shower um okay i know that this movie is not super well reviewed or well received yes like at all i think it's like 13% on Rotten Tomatoes. Okay. Even with Helen Mirren and her beautiful, her beautiful veil.

I love Sarah Snook. Actually, Helen Mirren got nominated for worst actress. Excuse me. And the movie got nominated for worst director, worst picture, worst screenplay. Are you serious?

I didn't know that. Yeah. It wasn't for like the Oscars, but it was some film The Razzies. The Razzies. That's sad. Wow. Yikes. What makes Helen Mirren say yes to a script that is

gonna be, it's like, I'm so fascinated by these things, but honestly, it looks worth watching to me just so you can see replicas of this house. This cool house, yeah. It's just like fun. I mean, i again i don't really watch scary movies so i waited till like the last minute like two days ago i was like i gotta watch this freaking movie and i'm scared and of course blaze my husband's not gonna watch it with me so i finally buckled up and put it on and it was like nighttime of course and so anytime there was like that moment where you know there's like a jump scare i like change tabs to like i don't know, something completely different.

Yeah. I just do this until until the screen is like online shopping for sweater vests. Anytime. Yes. Online shopping while you watch something scary is a great tactic. I'm so glad I discovered that. I mean, I did spend entirely too much money. But yeah, it was it was it was it was fun to watch. so glad i discovered that i mean i did spend entirely too much money that night but um but

yeah it was it was it was it was fun to watch i think like i didn't hate watching it it was i felt like it was a little boring but maybe that's just me i don't know i don't know it's kind of predictable like you know what's gonna happen a little bit yeah yeah and it also was like wait what i don't know i was also, plot holes galore. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of what I felt like. Wait a second. What's going on? Why?

It just felt a little hokey, especially, like, just as, like, someone who, like, knows probably more about the Winchester house than most people. Whoever wrote the script. Average person. Whoever wrote the script. Like, the whole storyline, they really they really just took like the haunted elements of it which and that was it like the the main character of the doctor going to like check on her mental wellness because she's seeing ghosts like that guy didn't exist so like the whole storyline

from the beginning was like the main character never was there so and like the little boy didn't mean uh male protagonist you gotta have a story that doesn't uh trying to convince everyone that the lady is crazy yeah we love that plot twist yeah it's like the little boy like that wasn't a thing you know i felt like and maybe it's because again maybe it's like we're just jaded because we just went there and i feel like we got such a cool background tour or whatever i don't know but i felt like wow there's so many real things that did happen that could be like such cool storylines and then just like we're not it's like just jump scares and stuff and i was like i feel like you could have leaned into some of the darker deeper stuff that like actually did happen with her but you know i mean it was like it was

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About it. Take it away. it yeah about it um take it away well so there's uh this doctor named eric price eric price and um he his whole thing he seems to be very into like reality versus illusion and like controlling fear that's like he i the amount of times troubled yeah if i went if i went through this script and i just like control f'd and typed in reality illusion and fear or like your mind like he was all like he was all about like it's all in my head i can control my fear it's very weird yeah he every time he like met a new person he'd be like do you think the body controls the mind or do you think the mind controls the body and then he'd be like nice to meet you

and use that for your dinner that's your icebreaker wait that's actually so funny someone like henley says i'm a blank slate be like okay i got just for you well so he he's a psychiatrist who has been um hired by the board of the winchester company to uh go check on sarah because she has control of like 51 of the company and the rest of the board has heard about her erratic behavior and so they want to go do a wellness check on him to see if they could almost kick her out of her place because maybe she's not fit to run the company. This dude at the company is like, OK, I need you to go in and say she's crazy so that we can get her out of here. And it's like very.

He was like, money is no object. We'll pay you whatever we need for you to tell everyone she's crazy to go like. Got it. Go sign off on the papers. We just need a psychiatrist to go in and be like yep she's crazy you can have the company back whatever she doesn't control the funds anymore and so i was like okay i guess that's an interesting way to like get us into the house and stuff i guess um but he's also addicted to laudanum uh and so he has it was laudanum right um? Something like that. Which is like opium.

Yeah. Yeah. I was going to ask, what is laudanum? It's like you sleep. I looked it up. It's like 10% opium. Yeah. It's like a hallucinogen.

They would take it as like medicines, but he was clearly like addicted to it. And this was a big part of it because a lot of times if he's seeing things, he thinks like, oh, it's just the medicine or it's just the medicine, quote unquote. It's the drugs. Like, that's why I'm hallucinating. That's why I'm seeing things. But like you learn that like his wife had passed away. Yeah, she passed away. And so that's part of why he's so troubled and he's taking this medicine.

And so that he brings all this baggage with him into the Winchester mystery house. Yeah. He basically, which, by the way, like him thinking he's seeing things is another. I really I really tried to lean into the theme here with my notes of like reality versus illusions. And like because he kept he wouldn't shut up about it. So I was like, I guess I'm going to have to deal with this. And so when he's interrogating Sarah for the I don't know, interviewing Sarah for the first time. She's like the first person to say, my mind's never failed me and then she doesn't fall for his

like illusions that he tries to use as examples of like oh you don't know what's before your eyes and it's interesting because i feel like she's struggling with reality of like weird shit is going on in my house and no one's believing me and then he's dealing with the illusion part of like he's trying to figure out through his grief if he's actually seeing things or not. Like his wife keeps appearing and stuff. And like that's clearly like, you know, his. Yeah. And he even he said I wrote the quote.

He said we what we see is truth can be an illusion distorted by grief. And then he everything just kind of he kept talking about illusions coming through grief and you need to see the truth you need to see the truth and it was i just felt like like a man was talking to me he was just like barking orders see the truth and i'm like what are you talking about and so he kept saying like he was just very pro like empirical evidence and it was just like that was the whole running theme so eventually um he is starting to see things that he can't explain away with halluc with a like that he's hallucinating because sarah tells him he can't drink anymore if he's going to be in the house she says you can't take your laudanum like no drugs and she like locks him away with his drugs yeah she says

clear-headed and and uh so now that he's becoming clear headed, he can't explain away the things he's seeing. So he sneaks out and he sees her channeling these spirits to like get new design concepts for the house. At midnight, there's a bell that rings and he's like, what is this bell ringing? And that actually did happen. They did say that they would ring the bells at midnight and she would go and do. And it was very secretive. Nobody really knows. But there was this room pretty small with like 13 coat hooks, like 13 panels, like 13 candles.

And she would go in there and like some people think maybe she was summoning spirits. Some people think like nobody really knows. But in the movie, they have her going into this witch's hat thing and doing like automatic writing. But she's like drawing architectural designs like that the ghosts are telling her. And so that was actually where the biggest jump scare happened for me because I was just like, oh, what's she drawing? And then something freaking showed up in the doorway and I almost screamed so loud.

I was like, I thought I was going to avoid all these with my my vest shopping but that startled the hell out of me so then this is also critical because while she's channeling spirits one of the rooms that she's like now sketching out that's like being told to her by a spirit that's in the house is uh a gun display room where she up until then had never allowed firearms in the house because she was so against the rifles but now they're saying you have to create a display room of every gun that could have killed

somebody and we find out later that this is a trap from one of the ghosts who has been invited into her home because once the guns are all delivered to be put into the display room all of a sudden her nephew the little kid um is possessed and tries to grab one of the guns now that they're available in the house and he starts trying to shoot at her um and she ends up surviving

are there so are there good ghosts and bad ghosts like are there good ghosts that are like i think they're all supposed to be up in the beginning. You think they're just all kind of neutral, but every now and then like a good or a bad one can come in.

I think it's sort of like she feels like she's doing atonement where they, where she's inviting them into. Yeah, they're in charge. She kind of invites them into her space

and to apologize. It's kind of funny to be like, guess what? You get to build a house now. How fun for you. You're dead. But what about these architectural designs you get to build a house now you're dead but what about these architectural designs you get to participate all the stairs you can build it's gonna be everyone in a room so then we find out that this particular spirit this is further into the movie but

uh there's been this like bag boy i don't know what the right word is but like there's been like someone like an attendant in the house that's been helping Dr. Price throughout the house that he's been talking to right now. Like a creepy looking butler. Yeah. Eventually, as now that Dr. Price is starting to finally believe the things that he's seeing and he's starting to become more clear headed and actually see, you know, ghosts around him. All of a sudden, he finds out in a jump scare moment that this guy he's been this attendant he's been talking to was actually a ghost all along and nobody else has been seeing him. Oh, real sixth sense moment. Yeah.

Real sixth sense. It really was. Oh, I've got an idea for a ghost movie. He was dead the whole time that hasn't been done before has it this is also really reminding me of haunting of hill house just that that did you guys watch that i loved that one yeah that whole plot line of her and her like crazy architectural designs for her like yes i was just thinking where have i seen that before that's a great point i don't think i ever that together, but I wonder if that was like inspired by.

Inspired by? Yeah. Possibly. Yeah. Well, they both came out. I think, didn't it come out in 2018? I feel like they both came out around the same time. Something was just in the air.

Architectural designs were on the minds of creatives. I guess so. Also, the Digest had its moment. You know what I mean? Well, so then he, Dr. Price back to sarah winchester and is like oh i think you're like your attendant just disappeared on me or what happened to your attendant and he finds out in like through the archives that it was actually one of the guys who's been killed yeah he's been killed by one of the rifles and the display room that one of the ghosts

channeled her to build was him channeling her to build the location where he died yeah and so now so almost now you find out he's an angry ghost who's going to kill all the winchesters seeking revenge yeah and by creating a room weapons in there and by creating a room that looks exactly like where he died um now he's like almost on a full circle to a point where he's like they say something like oh well now he's brought himself back into this world enough where he's you know somewhat alive somewhat alive enough to hurt us which i think is interesting because um you find out later that uh the the tragedy that dr price dealt with with his wife was that he ended up being shot by a Winchester rifle and surviving because he was trying to lunge for a gun that his wife was trying to put on herself. And she like you also kind of figure out that she was seeing things and having these hallucinations that I wow i assume was just you know some sort

of mental illness or what have you but he um she kept saying like why don't you believe me i'm seeing things and you say it's just like hallucinations whatever this man should not be working in this role yeah he there are so many reasons why this is not a good fit exactly like he is clearly very troubled and for good reason and this is not the right place for him to be. A lot of good things. A lot of the trauma. Yeah. That he clearly has not gotten over yet.

But yeah, so she she has the gun and she's like trying to, you know, she puts it up to herself. He goes to lunge for it and it shoots him. But then he ends up saving the bullet that almost killed him because it's his way of like holding on to the baggage. But he thinks of it as like, oh, I'm connected to the things that I've lost and the people I've lost. And I should say, like, after he gets shot, she also shoots herself. And so it's sort of like she does end up dying in that moment as well. But he survives. So there's like probably that guilt, too.

Yeah. And the and so what's I think interesting is that they talked about Ben, this ghost that's like now attacking the Winchesters. They called him dead, but alive enough to bring himself back in and dr price is alive but dead enough that he's able to communicate with these spirits i don't think i put that together that's cool and so um he in this one bullet is the one thing that's keeping him connected to death and his past and his grief that he's not letting go of. And that whole stupid monologue he keeps saying is like, Oh,

your, your grief is distorting your, your truth. And you don't know what you're seeing, if it's reality or not. Like he's kind of projecting is what was. And so, and not me,

you. He's able to see Ben and keeps the way he tries to like fight off ben to get out of the winchester house and save the winchester so he keeps trying to shoot at this ghost but he's like well the bolts are going right through him and they realize that really made me laugh like yeah he's a ghost yeah he's like why can't i shoot him why can't i shoot him right through him 100 yeah i was like what am i looking at but then you end up finding out that the only way to kill him is with the bullet that almost killed dr price because it was already so connected to the other side and so it's a death bullet and it was a way it was also all it was also all symbolic of like him letting go of his grief and like not letting his truth

be distorted anymore and it was a whole you know it was all about his arc of like figuring out well it's about his arc of course yeah her house and also in her life and her so sorry for us just absolutely uh taking over your entire podcast by not letting you speak we need to tell them that what happened to em this is very important that they hear the full narrative i mean again we're probably going like from step one to step 15 to step three. We're not good at telling things. Sounds like, okay, this movie's not super dense. It's

we don't need to know too much. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of the gist. And I feel like another thing is the room where he died, this room that she had to rebuild, which had all the guns, you know. I guess an important thing about that is that we find out it was um a winchester rifle like uh i don't know foundry what do you i don't know what you call like a place where they put them together and built them

back in the day and he had gone in there uh because his brother and his his brothers were killed during the war and he had this like uh revenge that he wanted to you know enact upon the winchester family and so he went into uh this winchester showroom or factory and i think did he attack everybody i'm not really sure what he did in there but yeah he ended up shooting like 15 people in the office because he thought your guns killed my brother so now your guns are gonna kill you yeah so then in the afterlife he wants this place rebuilt so he can like actually now get yeah continuous revenge i don't know sure wow it's it's it's something yeah so it

ends with him finally letting go of his past and now i hope he doesn't have this like stupid crisis anymore of reality versus illusion and then sarah winchester who um they were both holding on to different things like she was holding on to her husband and her baby who died and so at the end she like has like a lock of her baby's hair left and like kisses it goodbye to like signify that she's letting go of her past but she literally just like let the wind take it away and i was like yo you're allowed to keep your baby's longer i thought that was so weird and especially because like part of the real story is that like until the day she died she was like thoroughly grieving her husband and baby's death like she really never recovered from that well it's not her story right this isn't about her okay put the put the hair throw the hair into a branch of a tree or something it's got her name on the

title and she should be lucky for that yeah you know what she got enough credit but yeah when she threw the lock of hair away i was like okay like that's right like em said you don't have to throw that away allowed to grieve yeah forever if you want and then she's like, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, whoops, and like runs after it. A book has it in its nest. She's like, get out. Wait, who was Sarah Snook in the film? The niece? Oh, she was the niece.

She played Marion, who was Sarah Winchester's niece. And I guess her role is that she was the mom to the little boy who kept getting possessed by this, you know, evil spirit. And like, I guess because he was a little boy, it was like easier to like you know evil spirit and like i guess because he was a little boy it was like easier to like take him over sure children are vessels they're vessels and they sing in a way creepier way than anybody else could it was horrible by the little boys i will say it was very creepy it was very creepy and i feel like they did do a good job with that because earlier when he the guy who came and killed everybody um he was like singing that to himself um when he went to go like kill all the people in the office and so then later when you hear the little boy kind of humming it under his breath and nobody else has seen this flashback you're like oh i see what's happening the creepy guy is in this little kid now um scary

creep me out a little bit but yeah i don't know that so that was marion she was the mom to the boy and marion was real she did live with sarah winchester i don't know if she i i don't know if she had i mean i don't think she had a little boy who at one point tried to launch himself out a window which was a point in this movie actually so her storyline in the movie was like almost reversed compared to real life because everyone in this movie was dealing with grief in different ways which i'm sure could be its own psychological approach on this movie but she also had moved in with her aunt sarah because she had just lost her husband and so her and her son had to move in and then you know there were

conversations between her and dr price comparing the ways that they handle grief and then she ends up like having a character arc at the end where like she's able to fight for her family when she originally didn't think she could it's a whole thing but um in real life she actually was single when she lived at the winchester house and then left the Winchester house to get married to this guy. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was pretty cool. I was like, oh, Marion, damn, like she was the favorite niece of Sarah Winchester. And they made that like Sarah Winchester is very clear, like you are the special one. And so she got her special room.

clear like you are the special one and so she got her special room and then when she went off and got married like Sarah Winchester bought them like a whole house and like just just like doted like loved this niece of hers and I think it was pretty a pretty cool relationship it sounds like they had and like I said they were both very progressive and so it was kind of cool to like see that um that story but yeah that wasn't really at all but again that's not the story of the movie into the movie at all that has nothing to do with the movie yeah let't really at all played into the movie at all. That has nothing to do with the movie. Yeah, let's take all that out for the movie. We don't want to send any mixed messages about women

voting. That would just muddy the waters. We don't need that. It's about a man, a man's journey, and a spooky boy. That's what it's about. I don't think it occurred to me until we were telling what happened and you guys were like, oh, so it's about the dude. I'm like, yeah, it is about the dude. I don't know why it's about the dude. I'm like, yeah, it is about the dude.

I don't know why it's about the dude. It shouldn't really be about the dude, but here we are. How am I to understand the narrative without a male perspective? Also a male struggling, so all of a sudden he's a sympathizer. Oh, yeah. He's having

a hard time, so we all just, you know, we all want to root for him. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It was something. It was cool to see the house and stuff. I mean, I don't know.

Yeah. And so you can, people can, you had a behind the scenes tour. It sounds very cool. But regular people can visit this house. They have got to do it. It's been on my list for a while. They have multiple tours. So they, I don't know if they still do this one but for a while during halloween they would like have a

really spooky tour where you could even do a seance in her seance room oh i'd be too scared that would be really scary yeah i don't know about that i know about it i don't want to do it i would absolutely do that with you um um but But yeah, there was a seance one. I've gone on just the regular day tour one. I will also say during COVID, they decided that they were going to do a virtual tour online, which I don't know if that still exists now that it's back to being open. But you could just like on Zillow, how you can just like keep double clicking the room far away. I had like a virtual walkthrough of the whole place. So you should look up and see if it's still there. Cause that one,

like I'd never been until we went recently. And so that was the only way I got to see inside it. I think it was like $5, but it was just a way for them to be able to keep up during COVID. And it was my goal during, at one point, my goal was like, I'm going to memorize this house and it won't be a mystery to me and then uh i got like 80 rooms in and i was like i'm overwhelmed

so i gave up 80 rooms there's so many rooms you guys so many rooms it's a lot it's a lot yeah if you haven't looked it up you should look it up yeah i feel like there's actual real stats but like it is while you guys find the stats can we talk for a second have you guys seen that zillow of the house i can't remember where it is it's somewhere in like montana or something scary like that and it's out in the middle of nowhere and it's this massive newly built house there's a zillow listing for it tons and tons of rooms and every room just has like built-in shelving oh it's it's so creepy i have not seen this oh it's so it's so unsettling it's like what was on these shelves

yeah it's like in a way where you're like somebody was doing something very weird in this house it wasn't like funko pops it was like no i don't think so i hear. I hear built-in shelves and I'm like, oh, that's like, I mean, look at the blue ones. Toshka's galore. No, no, no. Built-in shelves is like a really almost misleading way to describe it because the shelves are not for like books. The shelves are for like individual

items. Like they're like small boxes. Yeah. And these like huge empty rooms. How would i find this creepy creepy zillow i'm sure it would come up if you just googled it storage yes okay oh my god storage this viral house has a disturbing amount of storage oh yeah look at it it looks like medical files or like vials or something um i'm gonna send you this link on the chat yeah it is a very unsettling to look at and like it's in place or california it's in california and it's very secluded it's 18

acres 18 acres oh it's also like the fact that it's all like white and beige the white and beige is really odd. Isn't it creepy? And even in the kitchen, the dining area is like all these creepy little shelves. It's like the bedroom just has walls of cupboards. I do not like the way this door is locked. Yeah, the doors are like locked on weird sides. Like the whole thing is just something is wrong with this house.

Well, the fact that they even put it on Zillow, though, I'm like, okay. I bet I have relatives who are government preppers. That's what this feels like. To have like the doors locked from the other side. That does seem like what it is. And like storing everything you'll ever need. Yeah, even in the kitchens to have like preservatives

and all this. That's probably what it is. And it's like remote. That's what it is. Why are they selling it? It's remote. Yeah. It wasn't. Their stockpile got too big i guess and they need another house i i'm pretty sure i wouldn't bet my life on it but i would bet at least a hundred dollars here's my question is like uh not to like alarm everyone living in california but like california is gonna fall off the country like if right right if the earthquake hits and all that like why would this be where you have a proper house like wouldn wouldn't you go you got to be to montana like you said henley keeps

saying we gotta get land in canada that's what i'm saying like i feel like you wouldn't get land in california to be a prepper like that's like more midwest east coast like yeah i feel like as someone who lives in california i'm prepared that when the earthquake comes, I will not make it. And I'm OK with that. I've found peace. We're all going to go out somehow. I've found peace in that. Can I tell you something right now? I'm in Kentucky here, OK?

I have y'all in New York. I have y'all in California. If you if this happens for real and the system, the grid goes down, come on over. Got lots of space. OK, great. Come on over. I welcome you. great come on over i welcome you i welcome you that is nice but i will tell you like even my government prepper family they're like where are you going to be when the world ends and i'm like i'm going to volunteer to like just just

ride it out and if they get me they get me i have no fight walk into the san andreas fault and just i have i have no fight in me i'll absolutely bow out I'll be like I don't want even if I survive do I really want to live in the world after this no exactly that's what I think I'm like if this is happening I've seen the fucking zombie show and I'm like this sounds terrible I hope I'm not there the rest of my life is living in bunkers and having to shoot people just to survive i don't want to do that just unless i have this one million dollar mansion with all these cabinets i feel like i could i could vibe with that you know like also in my head the ideal right is to be like somewhere where you can be you know safe alone like in a beautiful wilderness yeah but realistically i don't know how

to fucking do anything like that's what happened yeah. It won't be peaceful is the thing. I've planted so many things and they always die. I'm like, I'm not going to survive. I don't know. If someone does stumble upon your peaceful home, you have no backup coming. You have no backup coming. No backup coming. Wait, I found the actual theory.

Sorry. Oh, great. Well, someone wrote like any cults looking for a spot. This is it. Ha ha. And then somebody said maybe for sneakers. Ha ha ha. And then someone said maybe for sneakers or books. And then somebody said, oh, I'm from NorCal. And this the town this house is near has a bunch of Mormons. So it's probably designed for like a massive family. But then somebody said this theory is incorrect. a massive family but then somebody said this theory is incorrect allegedly uh the owner of the home just had a shopping addiction and needed space for her keep and among the items they took out of the house were 25 000 books thousands of dvds and vhs tapes uh so and she was 89 and passed away and that's why they're selling the house so apparently she had so much stuff she was collecting very well organized for like somebody with those hoarding tendencies that would also make sense because i feel like those colors are very like that's an older house an older person totally and also i will add like as much

as um as much as this could be a prepper house, there's not a bomb shelter or anything. Don't you usually have a space for weapons and stuff? Like safe? I don't really talk to that side of the family. I know. I mean, I don't know either, obviously. That's probably a hard door to open there. I mean, I think what's really just the eerie part that makes it feel like the back rooms

is that it's the fluorescent office lights in a home. The fluorescent lights are no good. No good. Oof. Oof. That, yeah. That's my number one hate hatred in any horror movies when they're fluorescent lights. I'm like, we got to change the lighting.

You're like, stop it. Stop it. Sammy just texted. She I think she has an Internet outage. So we may just close it out without her. Oh, sorry, Sammy. Sorry, Sammy. All right. Here are the facts from the Winchester house, which today would have cost $71 million.

Holy shit. Holy shit. It was built from 1886 to 1922. And it is still 24,000 square feet with 10,000 windows, 2,000 doors. And that does not mean 2,000 doors attached to 2,000 rooms. It's just doors. The doors are just like hanging through the ceiling and stuff in doors you tried to memorize this house by the way like amazing yeah wow that was a bold move it was covered i had nothing to do that's fair 160

rooms 52 skylights 47 stairways and fireplaces 17 chimneys So 17 chimneys for 47 fireplaces Yeah you're not putting fires in all those Fireplaces. That's decorative 13 Bathrooms and 6 kitchens Wow I gotta say If I had 180 rooms is that what it was? 180? 160

I would definitely more a greater percentage Of those would be bathrooms and kitchens for sure It was interesting because she was Again this was so long ago that like they bathrooms like this were not normal. And so like indoor plumbing was like not a thing, you know, so it was very true. And really maybe be a time. It was a lot, you know, to have all those bathrooms and she had a private bathroom. Still just one lady. Right.

You know, if you're talking about Marion. Marion. So I guess. But even the idea, like, I mean, I really appreciate it. It was granted just for her, but she was the only one living there for the most part. But a lot of her designs were very accessible for the things that she needed. Yes. It's very cool. And very just user friendly in general, where like all the counters in the kitchen, if the sink is in the middle both sides

of the counter would dip down so as you were like cutting produce the water would drip into the sink for you and like just very like uh just what a brain this woman had like just truly a mind for her movie yeah exactly i know that's that part maybe that's why i felt so off put by it but like another thing too is um that we got to see which was cool is where her room is. She had these fire like a room. I think they call it the Hall of Fire or something. And it's these fireplaces. And again, she had this terrible arthritis that she suffered like a lot of pain from it. And so she kept it really warm in this space like she had these fireplaces. And so at night she could like stay warm and cozy

and she was she built it so that every fireplace was like directing the heat forward to her so very like a tunnel guard yeah this woman's a genius she was also a great person which is so cool to hear and like also a woman and also just like ahead of her time i just it's just such a cool story and i felt like so we didn't know all that until we got to kind of do the background tour and we were like wow this is quite a so maybe that's also part of it is watching the movie i'm like man there's so much cool stuff about this house that could have just been at least peppered in or yeah or or could have made such a cool plot point and just kind of didn't you know but yeah shame what a shame what a shame the world

there's still an opening in the world for a cool movie about Sarah Winchester you guys have anything to do this weekend we can start writing a script let's put pen to paper yeah who's gonna be our male lead though yeah we gotta find a male perspective

to take us through honestly now that you say that I'm like I'd love to see you in this I'd love to see you in anything me too okay well this was fabulous I'm so thrilled to have learned more about this house I will I it's going moving up to the top of my list of the place

I need to go but before we sign off tell us one more time about your podcast, where we can find you. I believe you have a book? Oh, man. We do. Oh, and the book has a chapter about the Winchester Mystery House. So, you know, pretty cool stuff. Yeah, so our

podcast is And That's Why We Drink, and we have new episodes every Sunday. We also have another Spotify original podcast drink and we have new episodes every sunday we also have another uh spotify original episode podcast called rituals and uh we have a book a haunted road atlas and we this week are finishing our tour our live show so it's oh my gosh been a wild we have a time but we're having a good time you know we're tired but we're loving it and yeah you can find us at ATWWD podcast on all the socials or listen on any podcast platform. We talk about ghosts and crime and try to try to keep it as lighthearted as possible.

Yeah, we got a website and that's why we drink dot com. And if you want, we also do listeners episodes on the first of every month. So you can submit your own true crime and paranormal stories and might be be in the running yeah that's so cool oh that's amazing thank you guys so much for coming on i learned so much i i went from zero to 100 knowledge you're gonna have weird dreams tonight i think yeah probably i'm immediately gonna look up if there's still a virtual i'm like i just need to and if at the very least i'm looking up a lot of photos perfect what i wanted to keep in mind at the top of your mind is reality of what is it don't let fear control you reality and illusion are a distortion of grief or something sure same coin who knows anyway i mean it just rolls off the tongue it does uh so i'll never forget um what we did i will just know we did

lose sammy to an internet outage a few minutes ago so we're gonna sign off without her oh well bye sammy um and from all of us here at too scary didn't watch goodbye goodbye goodbye Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. And if you're interested in things like bonus episodes, video trailer reactions, and other cool content, head on over to patreon.com slash TSTW podcast. All right. We love you all forever and ever, starting a while ago and continuing into eternity. Adios. That was a HeadGum podcast.