Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Cameron Carpenter Kicks Out the Jams: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1543

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

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And Ridley Funeral Home, pillars of the community since 1921. Today, returning to Toronto miked, hopefully staying dry this time. He's here to kick out the jams. It's Cameron Carpenter. Hey Cam, how you doing buddy? Good Mike, how are you? So the last time you were on your, your debut was July, 2020.

So the pandemic kind of kicked, I don't know, the pandemic was in full effect in July 2020. So we recorded in the backyard and I'm glad you're back, even though we had a, it's like a couple of remote chat since then, but I'm glad you're back because all I can picture when I think of that episode and I'll read the description in a minute, it was episode 690, is you were just soaking wet. It was early in my backyard recordings. I hadn't figured it all out yet. And I was just unprepared for like the inevitability that one day it would just pour rain.

So I'm just gonna tell you, I'm sorry that you had to talk to me in the pouring rain in July, 2020. It's fine. It's lovely to be in the studio today and actually see it because it was COVID when we actually spoke in person the first time. And of course, there's going to be a storm tonight, a torrential storm. So I'm glad we're doing this early. I'm the rain bringer. Well, we're in the basement now, so let it rain. Let it rain. That's a song right there. Okay.

I'm going to read the description. So if people want to go back to hear your Toronto mic debut, they can go back to six 90 and I'll read the description now. But I would think in this jam kicking, we're about to do, we're going to learn a lot more about you cam. Okay. I'm looking forward to this, but I wrote at the time Mike chats with Cameron carpenter. But would you prefer Cameron or cam either or I like, I sort of like Cameron more formally. Okay. Well then that's what I'm going to call you. Cameron, like in Ferris Bieler's Day Off. There you go. Okay. So Mike chats with Cameron Carpenter about his years working with bands and musical artists at MCA, BMG, Sony and elsewhere. There's great stories about the tragically hip, Alanis,

There's great stories about the tragically hip Alanis who slown the headstones the watchmen some great camcon there and more And we talked for about 90 minutes and again in the pouring rain So this time we're gonna stay dry and we're gonna kick out 10 songs You've you've sent me and I'm looking forward to learning more about you can't camera and I was called you cam again They're coming Kim. You can call me Cam. You can call me Al. Okay. Robby J wrote in. So you made your way from the East End, right? Yeah.

And traffic was hell. Awful. You just can't get. Until you hit the Queensway, it's bumper to bumper. No matter where you are, you divert up to Queen. You've got streetcars from King because King's closed. Just a nightmare. Am I, be honest with me here, Cameron. Am I the asshole that I insist guests do this in person when you've got that hellish commute?

Like maybe I should just say hey zoom in and we'll kick out the jams. Am I the asshole? Be honest with me. No, because I'd rather come here and get Great Lakes beer and poma pasta. So it's well worth the trip to Etobica. That's true. You thought okay on that note here you are getting fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. Yeah. Delicious as you know, Cameron. And you're going to get a, it's in my freezer right now, a large lasagna from Palma pasta. You're going to take that back to the, the East, the East end with you. I am. And I'm going to give it to, I'm going to have dinner with my, my daughter and son in law and they're two, my two grandkids who got back from Greece last night. Three times.

Okay. I did not see. I'm already learning more about you. How old are these grandkids? They are seven, four and three months. Been a grandfather for seven years. Yes. All right. Congratulations. Cause you look so youthful. I'm a senior citizen. Okay. Well, if you get a good discount, then that means A trade on Presto.

Okay. No, I'm, I'm seeing some, no I'm seeing some some positives there. Okay, but the reason I bring up you, your hellish commute from the east, I'm gonna call the east coast, the east coast of Toronto. Robbie J. Rob Johnston, he wrote in, you should take it on the road and do Cameron's jams from the patio of the Balmy Beach Club. The finest patio in the city. A private members club since 1905 I think. You were just a kid back then. I was. My father was on the first rugby team there in 1955. He's one of the originals and he's still alive. They're going to have their, oh what anniversary it is, four, I think their 75th anniversary next year and

there's still like four or five guys on the team still alive and Then my mom was the first woman member at the mommy Beach Canoe Club women weren't allowed to become members until the 70s and my mom fought for it and Became the first woman member and the first woman director. Okay, that's all amazing By the way, hello to cam brio in the live stream live dot Toronto Mike comm hello to Andrew Ward Hello to cam brio in the live stream live dot toronto mike.com. Hello to andrew ward He said he went to the beaches. He's in i think he's a mississauga guy andrew ward But it took him two and a half hours to get to the beaches. So by the way, the beach are the beaches What are we going with now? It's the beach up the beach. It's always been the beach. I've lived there for 65 years

Okay, andrew take a note. None of this beach is bullshit. That's a band. Okay, the beaches grew up in the beach is bullshit. That's a band. Okay. The beaches grew up in the beach. Okay. Balmy beach history. J Ho our official historian. He loves that history connection, but he also, cause he was a guest earlier this week. What a week it's been. Okay. And he said, get that lasagna out now cause it's a long time to thaw that baby. So, uh, you know, cause best practice would be you put it in the fridge for a day and then make it tomorrow. So if you're making it tonight, I should go run upstairs and get this out of the freezer right now. Oh, it's fine.

And another thing about Bobby beach club is they won the gray cop twice in the twenties. And one night Rob and Doug Ford were there honoring the parks commissioner. They had a party for him. And I was talking to both of them giving them the history of the club and the Toronto Argonauts, even though I don't agree with their politics. They were in our club, so we'll talk football. Okay, you can talk football even with these damn conservatives. Okay, so by the way, last time we bump into each other all the time because you're at everything.

As are you. But I go to a few things, but if I go to something, you're going to be there because you're at everything. But I can know I go to a few things but if I go to something you're gonna be there because you're at everything Is that because you you can't possibly you must be at 20 times the things I'm at because I don't actually go to many Things I don't think but when I do go to something I will inevitably see Cameron Carpenter. Yes Well, we saw each other two weeks ago on Friday at mid sure So what did you think of the show at the Alma combo? Fantastic show Fantastic show. And by the way, great interview with Midge. I was so happy to hear him on your show. It was just a great chat with him.

Sweetheart. Yeah. Great show. I liked the band in the box format. It was fuller than him playing somewhere like Hugh's Room with just a guitar. The sound was great. Chuck Circle were fantastic.

I know. So he's also an FOTM, Chris Tate. Yes. And yeah, I thought Chuck Circle was fantastic. And did you see he was on keyboards? Jason Snyderman. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. Blue Peter's Jason Snyderman, son of Sam as I call him.

Yes. So that's cool. Yeah, and I missed Viera, unfortunately, who's an old friend. I used to work with her mom who played violin right at the beginning of the night. Yeah, I missed that too. And then I missed 416 or the other band because I was upstairs chatting with Mitch catching up. Just another handsome guy, we don't need another handsome guy up there okay we already have Gord Depp okay. So I was actually grabbing an Octopus Wants to Fight with another Cam

Cam Gordon before that show at the Elma Combo but great to see you, great for the to see the Cams together. Well I told you that night my name is Cameron Gordon Carpenter. So when Cam was there. Okay this is the second Cameron Gordon to be on the program this month so that's unbelievable. So I'm keen to get to the first jam because we're gonna talk between jams and I have some things I want to talk to you about but important question here Cameron are you ready to kick out the jams? I am ready to kick out the jams with the MC5, but we're not actually playing the MC5. Wherever Freddy goes He's got them watching his toes He's part rabbit, I suppose Freddy flies right through the air He can't do that, he don't care He's so good, it isn't fair

It's a bird, no it's a bird No it's just Fred, he's dancing again I wanna dance like Fred Oh, it's just Fred, he's dancing again I wanna dance like Fred I wanna dance like Fred I wanna dance like Fred, Fred I wanna dance like Fred I wanna dance like Fred Cameron, tell us all about why you chose this song. What's

significant about this particular version of this song? Well, it's the only version of this song, number one. And I think some of your older viewers may remember that as a minor hit on CFNY in the early 80s. It was the first band I ever signed at Quality Records. I had just returned to the label after being fired from the publicity department and going on the road with a band called The Models across Canada and I was just going through demo tapes for my boss with no I had no A&R acumen back then whatsoever and I heard this tape and it was like oh my god this is great and I paid it played it for my boss and he was like yeah I don't know

about this new wave stuff. I played it for Bob Sagr he was like, I don't know about this new wave stuff. I played it for Bob Sagorini and Bob went crazy. God rest his soul. And Bob and I drove out to Oakville, saw the band live, I cut a deal for a three song EP and put them in the studio and Bob produced them and did this. This is the only thing they ever put out, but just a classic. This is the only version produced of this song. Yeah, it was released as a seven inch and a three song 12 inch. Okay, so the one and only, but here I'm acting like there's multiple versions

floating around. Okay, and as- And it's not streaming anywhere. Like I sent you the MP3. You can't find this song anywhere. And you might recall that when we lost the great Bob Sagorini and you and I zoomed for a lengthy conversation about Bob and how tight you were with Bob Segorini.

So he's producing this track. Yes. Yeah. And hand clapping and singing. Right. Man, I'm sorry again. Bob Segorini comes up in an episode. So it's kind of funny because normally I drop episodes two minutes after we finish recording, okay?

Five minutes after we finish recording. But I actually have an episode in the can that's going to drop tomorrow. It's a celebration sort of looking back at the origin of Much Music, which launches 40 years ago tomorrow. Wow. August 31st, 1984, Much music goes live at 6 PM at 99 Queen Street East. Correct. Correct. 99 Queen Street East. Absolutely. And in that episode, there is a brief shout out because we talked about other video shows and stuff at CFMT,

et cetera. But there is a brief shout out to Bob Segherini in that episode and again just for those who missed the Ridley Funeral Home Memorial episode when we talked in great length about Bob Segherini, can you give us just a little bit about just a little synopsis of your relationship with the Iceman? Yeah I first met Bob when he moved to Toronto from Montreal. I was at A&M Records picking up records to write for the new music magazine and ran into Bob and we just sort of hit it off and got talking and he was just going to put out, when the lights are out, his Slade cover on A&M. And we just became really good friends. I ended up writing the liner notes for that song and we became family

friends. I spent a lot of time at his house. He was a mentor to me, he was teaching me all about music that I didn't know I was very young. I was like 18, 19 years old at that point. And he was talking about Dewey Phillips and great DJs and we'd go to movie premieres and went to the Alan Freed movie premiere. And we just, yeah, he just taught me a lot about music. He showed me elephant parts for the first time

because he had, he had a VHS. I don't even know if it was VHS. I think it was a three quarter inch machine in his house. And he just taught me a lot. And we became really, really good friends, especially in the eighties and early nineties. He was an usher at my wedding in 1982. Wow.

Gone too soon. Again, my condolences to you. And I'm glad that we could have that lengthy chat. So if people want to hear more words about Bob Segherini, Cameron Carpenter and I are chatting it's in the Toronto Mike feed. Write me at Mike at Toronto Mike.com. If you need a direct link, but you can find it in the feed. So what happened? The rockadillos? Am I saying that name right? No, the rock of Dero's rock of Dero's. I'm butchering the name of that great new event. So that song did get some air play. I think

Pedingheats might play it with because Fred Patterson was the sports guy Yeah, I feel like there's a connection there I did put it in that episode when we talked about Bob Sagorini, but uh, why didn't they make it? Like why weren't they the next spoons? What's going on with the rocket arrows? Did they just sort of fell apart? I think there was internal problems with the band They didn't want a tour. I think they had day jobs. They just wrote great music and it just all fell apart. It happens nine times out of 10. That's the first band you signed.

That was the first, my boss signed them and it was the first one I was directly saying, sign this band. Okay, exciting. See, we're learning a lot about you. You ready for another jam here? Let's go. ["Sign This Band"] Love Africa, beautiful lander After the sun, cold as the night

Come on, run the sauce of matter I can look out to the sea Look at me Live off the land, nah Smoke next to a can, nah The river so green, jungle so clean So fly up the great San Beze Sail the cargo to the sea Africa. Thunder mug. Okay, talk to me, Cameron.

Educate me. Okay, they're a band from London, over in the United States. They're a band from the United States. They're a band from the United States. They're a band from the United States. They're a band from the United States. They're a band from the United States.

They're a band from the United States. They're a band from the United States. They're a band from the United States. Africa. Thunder Mug. Okay, talk to me, Cameron. Educate me. Okay, they're a band from London, Ontario, who I think I first saw either at my high school or in 1975, opening for Aerosmith at Massey Hall

on the Toys in the Attic tour. Three bigger guys, they wore like coveralls, and the first time I heard this song, it was just like crazy. It was like there's birds in it, there's kazoos, he's talking about hash, they're talking about Zambezi, they're talking about South Africa. Here's the, you can hear the kazoo solo underneath. But they were just so heavy.

And it's one of my favorite Canadian singles of all time. And it recently came back into my life because I'm helping out, I can't talk too much about it, on a documentary. Now you have my attention. Of a 70s Canadian rock documentary I'm sort of consulting on about.

And you can't give us any tease, any hints? Not my place, I'm just consulting right now. When we get a little further, I might put someone else on the show who you really enjoy talking to about the film when it gets closer. The thunder mug deep dive we didn't know we needed. Exactly. So it's gonna be about the guess who and Streetheart and Flood and all the great bands who toured Canada back in the 70s. And this was one of the best in my opinion. Okay, so I'm again a bit younger than you. I don't yet

get the senior's discount. I'm getting there. Okay, I'm getting there. But I can honestly say I don't think I've ever heard this song in my life. It just came on the streaming services about two years ago. It was really hard to get. I still have the 45, but now you can stream this song. So. Thundermug, what a great name though. Yeah. Thundermug. Okay. I'm all about the Thundermug now. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. So this is a 70s band. What happened with Thundermug? Do we know? They broke up for Yeah. Thunder Mug. Okay. I'm all about the Thunder Mug now. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. So this is a 70s band.

What happened with Thunder Mug? Do we know? They broke up for about 10 years. They went from a four piece to a three piece, broke up for about 10 years, got back together for a little while and just sort of faded away into obscurity. Well, I hope you didn't say all your words about Bob Sagorini when I was asking you. I should have looked ahead at what might be coming. So let's kick out another jam

and then you're gonna share more words about your late great friend, Bob Sagorini. Here we go. All right. ["We Were Dancing in the Afternoon"] We were dancing in the afternoon listening to records on the radio But we can't understand the words, I remember when I was a boy

Boy, I could recall every phrase and rhyme, of every song I ever heard But now all the words seem to run together And none of it seems to make too much sense It's a synthesized mess I gotta have fun Though that it's, I gotta have fun Though that it's not, I gotta have fun What an efficient to get some life in the charts Think of the fun, we could use some rock music to start I love the blues of the sergeant gunfire

And the moon and pop Papa work it be forever Titans never do it to home So all you fellas with your dogs in your hands You gotta lead us to the promised land Love it is to give you too much gold Too much road Now all over the world seem to run together Together And none of it seems to make too much sense

Hit with synthesizers, I got a fun Don't let it stop, I got a fun Oh, maybe it's nice to get some back in the charts. Think I'm the bomb, because you saw how the music just popped. I gotta have pop, yeah. Cameron, I let her run a little longer because does it ever sound good in the headphones? Gotta Have Pop by Bob Sagrini. Yeah, it was the first song on his debut album on BOM Records, and I was peripherally involved. I watched as he signed with Wolfgang and Phil at BOM and got the artistic freedom to do

this album. I was in the studio while he was recording it, hanging out. And if you look on the inner sleeve, it says, for a great enchilada recipe and fan club information, send $3 in a self-addressed stamped envelope to Cam Carpenter, 4 Andale Road, Toronto, Ontario, which was my mom's house where I was still living. And it was on bubble gum. Did anyone do that? Oh yeah.

I probably got like 30 of them from around the world. Okay. That's a great idea just to see who's engaged. Yeah, and it was on bubblegum vinyl. And then the second album, Goodbye LA, there's a picture of me and one of the producers. And I always got thanks on those albums. So all Bob's albums are close to my heart.

It's great pop song, like gotta pop it. It's got that switch into glide kind of vibe going on. Like it just sounds great in the cans. Yeah, exact same era like same time so the production values were the same it was recorded on tape and yeah it's just it's of that area and has a great line I love the Beatles up to Sargent Pepper then they ruined pop for what could be forever because they changed from a band writing three-minute pop songs to an experimental band who were finding their way and changing music forever. Love it.

Now, the first time I brought up Bob Sagorini, I mentioned that he gets name checked in the episode that will drop tomorrow. So we're recording this on Friday, August 30th, 2024. It's like 2 to 21 p.m. in the afternoon. If you watch it watching live you know that but tomorrow morning which is Saturday August 31st 2024 I'm gonna drop an episode where we look at the origin story of much music like how did we get there and that was 40 years ago tomorrow that much music launched and Cameron because you know because Bob Sagrini was name checked in this much music tribute, if you

will, I'm just curious what you were up to. What kind of a game changer was MuchMusic when it launched in 84, from where you were at? Where were you at in 84? And what kind of a game changer was that? 84, I was still at quality. I was there until 86. But it was a huge game changer because music became visual all of a sudden. There was no YouTube or anything like that.

And bands like Roman Holiday from England, who we couldn't give a record away, they were a fantastic band, much would pick up their video and all of a sudden things would take off. Or Flock of Seagulls I was working with at that point as well. The Spoons I was working with at that point as well. The Spoons I was working with at that point. It changed a lot of lives and it changed a lot of Canadian bands career trajectory forever. Suddenly you needed to be as handsome as a young Rob Pruss.

There you go, or Derek, or as beautiful as Sandy. I'm picking on Rob only because he'll be here later in mid September, so I'm picking on. But we already gave Gord later in mid September, so I'm picking on, but we already gave Gord Depp the show, but yes, Sandy Horn, the first crush of many a Gen Xer in this market. And a hell of a bass player. Yeah, yeah. I saw her actually, I guess a couple of years back.

I went to Oakville to see Rob Proust perform live and Sandy Horn was there to do some stuff with Rob and it was good to see her again. She's an FOTMM but always, always pleasurable to lay eyes on the great Sandy Horn. But I, speaking of much music, we saw Michael Williams at that mid-year show. Yeah, he was DJing in between sets and stage announcing and actually he just moved to the East End as well. He's not in the, he's in the beach. He's in the beach now. There's an art on the, on the live stream. Uh, J ho says that, uh, the beaches is what a lot of

us call it because it's a collection of smaller named beaches. You got your woodbine, your cue, your balmy, your silver birch. So there, these are beaches, but of course you locals know it's the beach. It's one long beach. If you were born there, people who call it the beaches, we call blow ins. They moved in later. Or we rarely get there, so we're on the West End. You had to go to Malvern, Bobby Beach, Corcelet, St. John's, St. Dennis if you were Catholic, Neil McNeil. You had to grow up in that. That was the beachhood. Gotcha. No, I love it. I love it. Now, a question came in for you from, on Twitter, he's credited, I don't know why I

assume gender. I have no idea the gender of the person. No one has. This is a music show. See, I just again, because I'm a guy, I'm assuming this is a music show is a guy. What do I know? What does Cam know about the cover of Kraft works tour de France credited to a group called 10 speed that appeared on the KTEL Breakdance LP. It was apparently made in Toronto at the behest of Quality Records for inclusion on the KTEL LP since Kraftwerk were not going to license it. The track appears in the break-in movie, but not on the soundtrack LP. Cam was working with John Driscoll at the time doing A&R for Quality. Yes, I remember that record well.

John was a big disco guy and he started a company with Ray Caviano in New York who was also a big disco guy called Quality RFC Records. And what they used to do is they'd go to me damn and they'd hear these great disco records or they'd be shipped them. And we did a deal with Don was believe it or not. It sounds sweet studios in Detroit. We would send him the tracks. He would come up with a band. We put it out as a cover song with a different band's name and get it to the

market before the imports hit in North America. It was brilliant. Okay. It was absolutely brilliant. And there was, there was slip shot. There was brilliant. Okay. It was absolutely brilliant. And there was, there was slip shot. There was all sorts of, there was a do it again, Michael Jackson medley that we did, there was some great quality RFC 12 inch dance records, which I still have most of, so one day I'd hate to make you come back to the West end, but one day

we should just kick out these like quality songs and talk about all these, these kind of interesting quality singles, et cetera. right up my alley okay that was a great question though yeah see that that's a person who knows you know that they have the right guy on the right show and to finally you know he's probably been thinking about that since whatever the early 80s or whatever he's been thinking about that and now he has an answer and probably had no idea that Don was was involved in doing that so and you know what's funny? I'm thinking now of a Wikipedia editor, Rosie Grade Tio,

who hears these nuggets on Toronto Mic and then adds that detail to Wikipedia. So it's part of the public record. We're doing something important here, Cameron. Very important. Excellent. Yes, okay. All right, let's kick out this one here.

Excellent. Yes. OK. All right, let's kick out this one here. Big jam alert. Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine. mind. Milner, part of thieves. Wild card on my sleeve. Thick heart of stone. My sins my own.

They belong to me, me People say beware But I don't care The words are just rules and regulations to me, me I walk in a room And I look so proud I'm moving this here asmofeo Where?

In a green so loud I'll go to this here party And I Just get bored Until I look out the window, see this weird young thing Hoping on the pocket me, leaning on the pocket me Oh, she looks so good Oh, she looks so fine And I got this crazy feeling And then I'm gonna, ah, ah, make a mind

I'll put my spell on her Here she comes, walking down the street Here she comes, coming through my door Here she comes, running up my stair Here she comes, walking to the hall In a period dress and oh, she looks so good Oh, she looks so fine And I got this crazy feeling

That I'm gonna I-I-I make my mind And I hear this knocking at my door Hear this knocking on my door, hear this knockin' on my door When I look up at this big tower clock and say, oh my god, it's midnight And my baby is walkin' through the door, me and all my couchies Whispers to me, and I take the big plunge and Oh, she whispered, ooh, ooh, ooh Oh, she whispered, fine And I'm gone, tell the world, ooh, that I just I made up my mind, I said, darling

Tell me you're mine, she told me you're mine She whispered to me, she told me you're mine And I'm a mess, and I'm a mess, and I'm a mess, and I'm a mess She whispered to me, she told me her name Her name is, her name is, her name is, her name is J L O R I I I I I I I I I G L O R I A Gloria, G L O R I A Gloria, G L O R I A Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Gloria, Love it Cameron, tell me about Gloria.

Gloria from Patti Smith's debut album Horses, which is still my number one desert album island, absolutely brilliant record. If there was one cultural scene I loved the most, it was New York in the 70s. It was Warhol, it was the Chelsea Hotel, it was the rise of Maxis Kansas City, CBGBs, television, Patti Smith, Robert Mapplethorpe, The Ramones, and Patti was just at the epicenter. Like the cover picture on that album that Robert Mapplethorpe took was fantastic, iconic. There's a book called Just Kids that she wrote a few years ago that talks about that scene. And I saw Patti in 76 for the first time at Seneca with Sparks, one of my greatest double bills

of all time. I'm a huge Sparks fan as well. And then in 1996, I had the honor of actually working with Patti at the labels around Dream of Life. I think it was Dream of Life. No, Gone Again, sorry. And she was in town doing radio interviews at CBC and she had a guitar player, Oliver Ray, with her and doing the rounds. And when we finished at the CBC, we went back to

the hotel and I think it was David Gilmore interviewed her and she said, that's one of the best interviews I have ever done in my life. That was fantastic. So hats off, David. And then she said, you know what? I'd like to just show up at a club tonight and play and surprise everyone. Can you make that happen? And I said, yeah, just give me a couple hours and I'll get back to you. We weren't using cells that much back then in 96. I had one, but... So I ran up to the Rivoli and I think it was Carson who was booking it at that point, Carson

Foster. And I said, what do you think of Patti Smith coming tonight at midnight just coming in the back door and doing half-hour set with her guitar player? It was like sure. And then at 12 o'clock we opened the back door, Patti walked on stage and it was just one of those great little rock and roll moments that I lived for. That's amazing, you were part of that. That's amazing. Yeah. Love that story and so you're on a desert island, you can only have one album, this is the album. Well I usually take threes

Are we gonna hear cuts from the other two? No, okay, then you have to tell me what they are Oh, it would probably be television marquee moon and probably indiscreet by sparks. Okay, amazing. They make me laugh How come these songs didn't make your top ten here? Well, I didn't know I'm asking the tough questions I didn't know the premise and I just thought I'd go all over the board here and a little bit of everything. And of course, I'm going to put a couple of clients in here too. I'm going to do a little PR.

It's in your blood. It's in your blood. Exactly. It's okay. I'm happy to help. So let's kick out another jam. All right. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, from you The city felt so old

But now Seems brand new It's all mine, it's all mine The world is yours, but you're all mine. It's all mine. It's all mine. Your movie is yours, but you're all mine. I'm careful with the words. Speaking of jams that sound good in the headphones, the world is yours, Jay Sparrow. Yeah, when he sent me this, it was like, listen to this on headphones.

When you listen to the demos, you have to listen on headphones. So I think this is absolutely beautiful song. It's from his new album called Hard Eight, which is his eighth solo album. And it's about his fiance, Michelle. And he's getting married tomorrow to Michelle in Edmonton. And he actually, because he owns, he's a co-owner of Sea Change Brewery and Shitty's Distillery.

That's two D's, so I'm not swearing. You can swear on this program, but that's a shitty. I don't like to swear, for the most part. And he actually proposed with a Will You Marry Me Beer? Because he owns the brewery and had her picture on it. And it's just a gorgeous song. So tell me more about Jay though. Like, like this is a new music from Jay Sparrow, but I'm a Jay Sparrow ignorant. Yeah, I met Jay probably close to 20 years ago at CMW in the lobby of the Royal York Hotel when I walked by and I noticed this like cool,

punky, Jack White looking kid wearing the same creepers that I was wearing. So we immediately started a conversation with him. He was sitting with a great video director, Michael Maxis, who worked with Billy Talent and millions of other bands. And we just totally hit it off. He ended up moving to the beach. Okay, it's the all beach episode today. And he was in a punk band called Murder City Sparrows and they all lived in one apartment on Queen Street East and they were looking for management. So we started managing with my partner then Todd Arkell and then Jay. We did a couple of Murder City Sparrow records Gordy Johnson produced and then Jay just up

and left and started working with Rain Maeda on different apps and music things and went and opened a restaurant on the west coast. Finally settled in Edmonton and just kept putting solo albums out during the course of his whole career. But it's not as... He just makes records for himself now. So he also won the CBC Great Canadian Song Quest as well many years ago. So he's just a great friend and I wanted to shut him out on his wedding day tomorrow. And great music. Congratulations on your wedding, Jay. So Jay owns a craft brewery? Yeah, Sea Change Brewery, which is... It's in Edmonton?

Edmonton and Calgary. They have houses now. At some point I'll find myself in Edmonton again and I'm going to seek it out. Yeah, I've never tried the beer because you can't get it in Ontario, but it seems like very- You had a new exchange. You got to bring Great Lakes Brewery- Some Great Lakes there. Great Lakes beer to Edmonton and then swap it out for some shitty, it's tough to say

that word of the Ds, right? Because my Ds and T sound the same anyways. But that's their distillery. So now they make gin and vodka, right? Gotcha. They're just coming out. But I think they have the same anyways. But that's their distillery. So now they make gin and vodka. They're just coming out. But I think they have the same aesthetic as Great Lakes. When you look at their cans and their names and stuff like that, it's very cool.

So hey, if anyone Great Lakes, go take a look at Sea Change and Sea Change, take a look at Great Lakes. Look, trust me, the guys at Great Lakes, any excuse to go visit like another craft brewery and they'll make a trip to Alberta and do a do a collaboration or something. There's Mike lackey is probably booking a flight right now.

Although knowing lackey is going to try to bike there. I don't know how long the bike ride that is. But by the way, Cameron, we're speaking at the very almost the very end of August 2024. That means a couple of things. But one is I can tell you by the end of tomorrow, which ends the month, I will have biked 1500 kilometers on Toronto and Mississauga streets in the month of August 2024. 1500 kilometers. I saw that you broke your record.

This is, yeah, I never cleared 1400, but I'm absolutely going to clear 1500 this calendar month and I'm here to pat myself in the back and say, I couldn't believe it when I first cleared a thousand in a month and now I'm hitting 1,500 and I'm kind of mind-blowing because I'm also kayaking so what the hell am I getting any work done Cameron? You must have the thighs of a stranger to quote Canadian rock band. You've got the thighs of a stranger. Love it Jay Sparrow. Way to kick that one out. By the way since I mentioned that the month is ending This is the last live episode of August because I have one in the can that will drop tomorrow That's the 40th the anniversary of much music episode a big surprise special guest blah blah blah

but that means this is the end of the seasonal sponsorship for Toronto Maple Leafs baseball the season is over for the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball team, but I'm just here to tell you cam Cameron. Okay. You don't care. So who knows what I'm going to call you? I'll just be glad I'm calling you CC. I like CC CC Deville. That was poison, right? You got it. Pick up that guitar and talk to me. That book is yours. That's the history of Toronto Maple Leafs baseball. It's such a fascinating history and they play at Christiey Pitts. And I'm here to tell you, Cameron, in 2025, we need to hook up at, that sounds dirty, but it's not, we need to hook up at Christy Pitts when I record live there during these Toronto Maple Leaf games, because it's amazing. Yeah, I'd like to do that. And I thought about it this year, but the Sundays

didn't work, but that's a subway hop. That's easy. That's easy. Get off at Christy's station. It's a short walk. I did that subway ride for the playoff game, which again, we got swept in the first round. So welcome to Toronto Maple Leafs, anything, but I think we're going to be better in 2025. I love the manager of this team, Rob Butler. Yeah. He used to play for them at one point. Did he not? He played for the Toronto. Yeah. He actually has the record for the highest batting average in a season and all

of the IBL, the inner county baseball league Almost 500 I want to say something ridiculous, but yeah his brother played for the team as well rich Butler Those are East York. Yeah baseball legends. I played for East York when I was a kid. So okay. It's all coming I think Troy birch at Great Lakes. I think he coaches at with the East York League there now It's still going strong my next next door neighbors kids play for it. And I'm a huge baseball fan. I, my grandparents moved to Detroit in the sixties when the Toronto telegram went down, he was a typesetter and went to the Detroit free press.

Yeah. So I became a Tigers fan until the Expos came along. Then my dad and I used to do a fishing trip to North of Montreal, Lac Saint Jean every year, but we'd go in early and go to Jerry park and see an Expos game Amazing and we went to the C&E Stadium the first year of the Blue Jays and I was I was there the night that George parked it Touch a mold or Joe Carter. Yeah, they're Joe Carter FOTM Joe Carter. I saw Rob Butler tweeting today

He was upset Joe Carter's not in the Hall of Fame and then then I'm like, just dig in a little, you'll see. But that guy was money for 30 home runs and a hundred RBI is in a season that Joe Carter just, you could just, you could just bank on it. Yeah. And one of the greatest sporting moments to watch live in my life to see it. So what was your vantage point?

Like where were you sitting? Not that it matters, but 119, row 31, like looking towards How loud was that building? I don't even know. Like I saw it on TV. Uh, and I, I, the moment it's out, you realize it's, it's over. You are, uh, you won again, second year in a row where it will see champions.

Everything after that's a blur to me. It was just went bananas. I can't imagine being in the dome for that. Well, I remember like, I remember the crack of the bat and seeing it and was going towards left field and was like, oh my God, if this stays fair, it's over. It's a walk off. And then it just erupted. And it kind of looks like it's hooking foul.

It was, it was going that way, especially because we were looking straight down to left field, like we were looking straight at the pitcher in the MCA record seat. Mitch Williams on the mound. Yeah, it was crazy. Working for MCA, that's a Leonard Skinner gym. Yeah. And then, yeah, everyone was nuts.

We stayed there for about a half hour and then I knew the owners of Gretzky's very well, the Bits home family. And we, we got into Gretzky's and partied there after the game. So. I just can't believe what I'm hearing here. This is that, that's what, that is the greatest moment in Toronto sports history. You know, is that Joe Carter walk off in the 93 World Series. Amazing. When I played the Tom Cheek call

of that home run for Joe Carter, he mouthed it like it was a song. Like he would just, he just mouthed the whole thing. He's probably had that played for him a million times, take or leave a few, but what a moment. And Jay's haven't won the World Series since. No, and my friend Steve Poults, I don't know if you know him, great singer-songwriter, was in the Rugburns in San Diego, he was Jule's boyfriend, co-wrote, do you remind me, oh,

we have to get Steve on here next time he tours through. You had me at Jule. He has a song called A Brief History of My Life, and when he does it live, he has tape recordings, he talks about great sports announcers, baseball, Joe Bach and Ernie Harwell. See you tomorrow night. Yeah. Ernie. Yeah. Absolutely. The Tigers guy. Yeah. So he plays those samples and he does the touch them all Joe Tom cheek call as well. So check out Steve Poults, lots of great music. We'll get him in here and I will play that. And it all sounds amazing to me. So, uh, just to put a bow on the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball is that that's it for 2024. Hope to be back celebrating Toronto

Maple Leafs baseball in March or we'll see next season and look forward to giving out more of these great books. But so you're the last recipient of the Toronto Maple Leafs history book in 2024. Excellent. It'll go in the library beside my book of the history of the Blue Jays first season or how baseball came to Toronto. I think it's called that book that my dad bought me. So love it. Yeah. Okay. We almost had the giants. It was a period of time in the, I don't know, mid seventies when it looked like we might have the San Francisco Giants. Yeah. Great history there. Yeah. Are you into country music? Sure. Okay. So then look

at my shirt. Yeah. Well, Steve Earl crosses over, right? But he started as a country. Sure, of course. But like I was listening to Steve Earl on Q 107, right? Because then Copperhead Road and all that stuff. But and of course, wailing on the wire, this guy's this guy's the real deal. This Steve Earl, big fan of this guy, but there's a station in town. It used to be for a long time, it was Flow 93.5. And then they flipped to something they call Today Radio. If you heard a Mark Wiseblood episode back when he would come on every month, we both wondered what they were thinking and how can this succeed? This can't possibly work. And a couple of years later,

it's flipping to New Country 93.5. And I'm thinking you must have a couple of years later, it's flipping to new country, 93, five. And I'm thinking you must have a lot of experience with, you know, radio in this market. We talked about much music earlier, but can a country station, a new country station succeed in Toronto in 2024? You don't have a crystal ball, but what are your feelings on that? Very much so. Um, when they first tried it, I forget what it was a kiss country, 92, five. Yeah. Everyone in the city had a kiss mug with her see I forget what it was a kiss country. Yeah, kiss. Yeah. 92.5. Yeah. Everyone in the city had a kiss mug with her see kisses and it was a great promotional ride. Mugs and kisses.

Yes. But the music was different back then. And I think, you know, I talk about this quite a bit to friends. Like if you listen to Jelly Roll or you listen like Post Malone or Hardy or like, there's some great rock country stuff coming out right now and it's all crossing over and there's some amazing records and I think the timing is absolutely perfect to have a country music station in Toronto. But I'll be curious if they do play that stuff like, cause you could play the cover of fast cars or whatever and people are going to like it or whatever. Uh, and the guy, I can never remember how to say his name.

Uh, I won't even try a Shaboosie. Yeah. Am I saying that right? Shaboos name. I won't even try. Shaboosie? Yeah. Am I saying that right? Shaboosie. I sound like an old guy. I'm Steve Buscemi with the skateboard or whatever. Hey hello fellow kids.

Shaboosie whatever. But I'll just stick with the old staple, little Nas X, okay? But I wonder what flavor of country, I feel like it might go older, just some chatter I've had with some people, it might not be that new country stuff. We'll see, but I don't think you're going to hear Hank Williams or little. No, but it might

be like, it could be a lot of like Garth Brooks, which is would be fine. I think but that may be that kind of stuff. I think you like Kenny Chesney. Okay, Trace, Satkins, probably a little more modern. Maybe it'd be great if they played Copperhead Road. It'd be great if they played Jack White and Loretta Lynn. Yeah, no, that was a great, that was great song. Absolutely. Woo, the mountaintops. That was great. It'll be interesting to see how they do it. It's like indie eight does a nice mix of new alternative and classic alternatives. So if they can do that in the country station, more power to them. Stay tuned, New Country 93.5. I think it debuts on Tuesday, but let's kick out another Cameron

Carpenter jam. They should play this on the new country station. They could. 52 years old, I'm bored and tired, horny and stoned. I'm listening to the pixies on the radio in my car. I'm missing you, I'm missing me I'm missing them hard to believe It's been so long since 1984 I won't hear you calling on the telephone I'm already gone

Been listening to the Clash record playing And I'm scratching out my head and saying where all the good times gone. I won't hear you calling on the telephone, I'm already gone. Clear up. Another FOTM jam. We heard Bob Cegarini. That's an FOTM jam. Ken Tizard.

My friend Ken, who I do publicity for. I'll be totally upfront with you. You need to disclose that. Of course you do. Yeah. But I love this song because I think we've all been there. We've all gone to pick up the phone to call someone and they're gone. And you remember listening to a Clash record with them or Pixies record or going to see Thundermug and they're not there and Ken's also in the Watchmen that's how I first knew Ken and then he went and played with Thorin Lee. You know you can listen to the Ken episode but it was interesting he did an AI video for this. Jay was on his show the Whiskey Wednesday show which Ken does live every

Wednesday night on YouTube at 8 p.m. and Jay had done an AI video for his single that we just played. So Ken thought, you know, why not? I'm not going to spend a lot of my money out of my pocket on the fourth single on the Dag Sessions and did an AI video, which is great. And then last week, he has a song called Chemo Brain, that's a 41 second instrumental. He asked his fans to send him the prompts if they were doing the AI video and they basically built another video for him, which I just think is really cool. I think Ken's really cool.

He's got the bonafides, he's with the Watchmen, of course. I think I'm still missing Joey. I have three quarters of the Watchmen are FOTMs. There you go. No Joey yet for some reason. Well, maybe you can get him because they're playing at Danforth Music Hall in November, the Watchmen. They just announced their show there. I'm a big Watchmen fan and I like them personally too. Danny Graves made a long drive to sing live at one of my events, TMLX.

I don't know which one it was now. TMLXX, I think. So at Great Lakes Brewery in Southern Etobicoke, Danny Graves is singing a cappella under the night sky. It was unbelievable. Sammy Cohn is a dear friend of the program. He gave me this Brian Linehan picture, telling me the watchman, from the watchman telling me

that Brian Linehan would be proud of me. How could you ask for a higher compliment? And I think it was Sammy you were talking to when I was first suggested as a guest and Sam said, yeah, I think it was Sam and Mark Weisblot, two names we just dropped. Sounds about right. Okay. So love the Watchmen and Ken Tizzer. I wish that the new country station was cool enough to play something like that. Yes. We'll have to find out who the program director is. I'll get work in them.

Maybe get called Wayne Webster or something, somebody's got some who lives in the beach. Of course he does. Too many beach people. Shout out to Bob Willett, who's also like, he's a bit he's like, yeah, he's upper beach, way upper beach, but we'll call that way upper beach. Absolutely. I like that song too, that already gone. I like that sound. I like Ken and one day I got to get Ken though in basement. We had to, he's, he's that living up North, right? So we zoomed him in. Yeah, he's out in Campbellford. So unless he's in Toronto doing something, he's, he's a caregiver for his wife as well. So he doesn't get, you know, just doesn't zoom in. I'm like, no, Cameron's making the trek across the city. Absolutely. I wanted to ask you about the Oasis reunion. Do you care? Do you find, you fall in this closely?

You're a big music fan. As I said to someone the other day at Betty's, I saw the Tackle Show, I'm fine. And I also, I've seen them quite a few times. And the last time I saw them at whatever the arenas called now, Air Canada Centre. But it was Air Canada Centre. I was more excited because it was the first show in Toronto from the Arctic Monkeys.

Oh yeah, that would be exciting. And that was a great show. But Oasis, they write good songs. I find the two of them boring. They're not very happy and they support Manchester city. And I'm an, and I'm an arsenal guy. So I really don't care about the reunion, but I'm hearing August 24th, 25th Downsview that's the rumor going around.

That is definitely floating around. How many was it? What would be capacity for a show like that? Do you have any sense? Like, I think they could do like 300,000 up there. If they opened it up, has been there, right? Like, like how many, like, Sarstoc rolling stones and ACDC and everyone else.

That's wild. Okay. Stay tuned, everybody. And they're not that great live. They're kind of boring. So... A ringing endorsement from Cameron Carpenter. Yeah, sorry.

Bring back the Arctic Man. If you know, as someone else said, if there's Cranky Brothers you want to bring back together, bring Ray and Dave Davies back together in the Kinks tour. Love it. Okay, let's kick out another jam. All right. Another FOTM jam. Are you ticklish? She quips, desiring to feel satiated But she finds it hard to articulate it Black licorice touching red lips Have you seen her looking devilish? Have you seen her looking devilish? He ends up speaking all age-yabberish

Desiring to be elevated But he finds it hard to articulate it It doesn't matter if they all know what you're up to It only matters that the guy's in love with you You introduced me to this gentleman who does not live in the beach but lives near me here and he's a Mimico guy here now, but talk to me about James Clark. Okay, this is James who lives down the street. His new single, Black Licorice Red Lips, he's playing a little further west tomorrow night at the Moonshine in Oakville.

And that's where I saw Sandy Horne last with playing with Rob Bruce. It all connects, doesn't it? It's crazy. And then he's doing September 21st upstairs at the Elmo Combo. So upstairs. Doing Saturday night upstairs at the Elmo. He's played downstairs a couple times. He's had his birthday party there. So he's got the big room upstairs. So I'm really looking forward to that on the 21st. And of course produced by FOTM Mo Berg, this record. And I liked his music very much, James, and I liked him very much. And the conversation happened because of you. So thanks for saying that out.

There you go. Very cool. And do you frequent the near here whenever you're forced to come in this neck of the woods, maybe to see James or to see me, whatever. What about that village vinyl shop that's on Lakeshore near Islington? Have you ever frequented that vinyl shop? I have not. I don't go into a lot.

I have a lot of vinyl at home. I don't collect anymore. I still have it. And it's just like, I can't. I just can't. But at least you can play your vinyl. I actually have nothing in this home that plays vinyl. I don't play it at home.

I just have it from years of collecting it and being at a record company having thousands of records. Well, sell it to Alan Zweig, okay? He's always looking for rare vinyl, that guy. I've got a catalog. It was in storage for a while and I just got it all out. So I have to put it all together. That's nice. Yeah. Ivor Hamilton just moved to, I don't know, Grimsby or something?

Yeah. I don't know. Somewhere near there. So he had like a whole truck just for the vinyl. Yeah. It was a huge move. I'd be like, I'm selling this. Alan, get over here, whatever you want, make me an offer. I just, I don't know. No, I'm tired of moving it. But it could be a fire sale soon.

Yeah. Although I saw the Rockaderos record online for $36 the other day. It's just like, Hmm. You don't have a copy. No, I do. Oh, you thought I have, maybe there's $36 coming my way. That's funny. Okay. James Clark, good FOTM. So in the Toronto Mike feed, you can find an episode of Ken Tizor. You can find an episode with James Clark. You can of course find an episode with Bob Segherini. Yes. Of course, producer Mo Berg, multiple episodes with Mo Berg, who's with the now doing lots of fun stuff with the trans Canada highway men, which they sound great. So Mo, by the way, like yourself, senior citizen. Yes. He's a three months older than

I am. He's from Edmonton. He is. There you go. Just outside of Edmonton. Okay. You know, that's like when someone says I'm, I'm from Toronto. I'm like, Oh yeah, whereabouts are you? And then they tell me they are like Markham and I'm like, do you know who you're talking to? That's not Toronto. Yeah. This is more like the Scarborough of, of Edmonton. Like Mo's like it's, it's part of Edmonton. Yeah. It's only if your mayor is the mayor of Edmonton, it counts. Hey, actually let me kick out another jam before I ask you about what I think was a, an omission last time you were over. And again, what's this experience like compared to being in the point rain in the

backyard? Is this better? It's comfortable. I was, I was kind of fun and memorable being there trying to hold up two umbrellas, keep my beard dry. It was quite a scene and I did feel terrible. And then I made it right after your episode, I made adjustments like, okay, I can't have this happen again.

You were like sort of a guinea pig and I made adjustments, but it was memorable and it was kind of neat to be out there and you never know what's going to happen with mother nature down here. It's we know unless there's a power outage, it's just going to be, we're going to just be fine. And that's kind of boring, right? Like, come on, we need some excitement. No, it's just gonna be, we're gonna just be fine. And that's kind of boring, right? Like, come on, we need some excitement. No, it was an adventure, I enjoyed it.

Okay, good. Let's kick out another jam. ["JAMM"] She's a very kinky girl, the kind who don't take home to mother. She will never let your spirits down, once you get her off the street. She likes the boys in the band She says that I'm her all time favorite When I make my move to her room it's the right time She's never hard to please Oh no That girl is pretty wild now The girl's a super freak

The kind of girl you read about Sweet magazines That girl is pretty kinky The girl's a super freak I want to do a Dave Chappelle right now, but okay. Rick James, super freak. Yeah. Well, as you know, and I think I was Motown label manager for eight years. That's the missing link. After we recorded, I realized we didn't have a chance to dive into the whole Motown part of your career. And this is part of it with Rick. So I was the product manager for Canada, which means you're the person at the label who deals with their LA office, their international office. They send you all the new releases.

You decide what's coming out, what's not. You do tour publicity. You go on the road with them, stuff like that. So Rick, unfortunately, couldn't come to Canada around the time of Street Songs because of an army issue and being... Well, he was a draft dodger. He was a draft dodger. That's how he ended up here with the Miner Birds and all that.

Yes, back in the day. So he could never get back into Canada. So we never had the luxury of seeing a Rick James show up here. But Larry McCray, who worked at Motown before I did and still one of my dearest friends, he started a tradition of taking journalists down to Rick's house in Orchard Park. So he would take them down every year and Rick liked Beck's beer, which he couldn't get in Buffalo at that point.

So he'd put a case of beer in the car, you go down, take some journalists down. So I followed that tradition. I took Jeannie Becker down to the house. Well, speaking of much music's 40th. There you go. And Norman Otis Richmond, who was a great Canadian urban journalist. And just to hang out at Rick's house while he did interviews in this incredible house in Buffalo, which was one of the first 15 houses that ever sold for more than a million dollars when he sold it in the late 80s and moved to LA.

Indoor pool, teak rooms. So I would just sit in the room, have a couple beers with the Mary Jane girls while he was doing interviews with Jeannie Becker and stuff like that. And then I went down to Buffalo to see the Four Tops and the Temptations and Rick was there because at that point he had done Standing on the Top with the Temptations. So it was just a cool hang. It's like, sorry, what happened with his life? It was 20 years ago that he passed. Yeah, you know what? I hope he made a lot of money on the MC Hammer hit, You Can't Touch This. That was the only Grammy he ever got. He never got a Rick James Grammy. He got it for You Can't Touch This by MC Hammer,'s best R&B song, the only Grammy. Like Street Songs did not win R&B album of the year,

like that's unbelievable because this is one of the great R&B funk records ever made. Yeah without a doubt and hearing it again in the headphones it's like so much of, so much was borrowed or taken and sampled whatever by MC Hammer for his massive hit You Can't Touch This. Yeah but he got paid, Rick got paid for that. I hope he got, I hope he made a lot of money. Yeah, but we all know where it went, so unfortunately. Unfortunately, and Rick James, the story of him in the Yorkville scene playing with Neil Young and all that is fascinating too.

Yeah, and it was, I think it was Leone Helm when we first met him when he was Ricky Matthews. He was calling himself Ricky Matthews at that point. And I think it was Leone who was the conduit to everything that happened in the Yorkville scene. So unbelievable. Yeah. Look, the ongoing history of the Toronto music scene here with Cameron Carpenter. And so before I play the next jam, can you give us just a little more on your mode? Like who else you were working with at Motown? And so how long you working with Motown?

I took over, Larry moved to A&R in about 83 or 84 so he suggested I do it at Quality Records so I was working with Stevie Wonder was like around the time of In Square Circle, Lionel Richie, Hello that era. The band I was probably closest to was the Commodores, Night Shift, even though it wasn't the original Commodores but some of them were there but it was JD Nicholas was the Commodores, Night Shift. Even though it wasn't the original Commodores, but some of them were there, but it was JD Nicholas was the new singer and we had a huge hit with that. I actually went on stage on Ontario Place in front of 16,000 people, interrupted the show,

premeditated with a cordless mic, to stop the song. It's like, stop, stop. It's like, everyone's looking like, who is this guy coming on stage? And I had gold records for them. So that was like a really cool moment. Shout out to the Ontario place forum. Yes.

And then we did a record presentation in the back of roots, the old coach house on Avenue road, because that was their hangout bar and Frankie gay was in Toronto at that point and songs about his brother, Marvin night shift. So we have pictures with Frankie gay giving them gold records as well. So an oversight, we covered a lot of ground again. I wrote in that we talked quite a bit about MCA, BMG, Sony, not enough about Motown. And Motown straddled two labels too, as I worked Motown at Quality and then when Motown got bought by MCA in 86 they asked if I would come with them to MCA. So that's

how I ended up at MCA. And now you know the rest of this story and you won't be going to the Oasis, Oasis, Oasis. I haven't even been drinking the Great Lakes. You won't be going to the Oasis show at the Downsview park in 2025. Well, it depends on who the support acts are. That's true. Okay. I can always leave before the headliners. I dare you to, I dare you to leave. I bet you were, you're, that's, you're, you're the kind of guy you would leave before Oasis hits the, uh, hits the stage at dance view park. They literally hit it at virgin fest when no got tackled. He had to This has been great. Let's kick it out. Okay. I am here and I'm married to you The t-shirt you are wearing is blue

And I ironed it for you And when you walk around I can see that there is a stain where you have dropped some food Working every day can get you down The same routine of going round and round But I still go around And nothing is to feeling is to feeling is to nothing now I'm feeling down I'm waiting to see, I'm waiting to feel I'm waiting to lose Everything

Everything Everything I love this song, Cameron. I don't know how I discovered this. I read a lot of blogs. I do a new playlist every Friday morning on Spotify of 30 songs that I think I need to listen to. And I go to New Music Friday UK. And this is a duo who've been around since 2006 from Lancaster, England, husband and wife, totally indie, no management, no label,

no agent, put everything out on their own, have a great sense of humor. Iggy Pop loves them. Iggy did a song with them called I Am War On. And they're just, I don't know, they just captured me the first time I heard them. I just love the sense of humor and the interplay between the two of them. All their records are great. They're actually... Is there a new album out today?

No, that's the next band. But the name of this duo is The Lovely Eggs. The Lovely Eggs, yes. Wild. No, because again, I was about to say people should be listening to this episode of Toronto Mikes with the headphones on, but I think all Kick Out the Jams episodes are better with the headphones on. But this song, great in the headphones too. Yeah.

And this song is called Nothing Everything. Yeah. So fucking trippy. I know you don't swear. I got to swear a little bit on this one. I never heard of the Lovely Eggs and I never knew this song, but instantly likeable. Excellent. Well, that was one of the reasons I picked some of this music and the next song as well. Just to, I have nothing to do with this band. I just like them. Excellent. Well that was one of the reasons I picked some of this music and the next song as well. I have nothing to do with this band. I just like them. It's just like my style and discovery for everyone else. Sharing the love. Okay. I would actually like to ask you a question from the live stream. This

is from Andrew. He also thinks this is a wicked jam. Oh cool. He makes you want to dance with rye lyrics. Yeah, it's cool. He says, can you ask him of a time when he felt like he was sacrificing his own reputation for a talent? I'm interested in how you'll answer this one. Like, you can interpret that as you with, but maybe you're doing your job supporting an act and you don't think it necessarily reflects well on you that you are out pushing this particular act maybe? Well, I don't know. I had to work with a lot of artists.

I didn't particularly like their music, but I'd always try to find something in common with them or something to talk about in the car, be it football, be it... Steve Earl is the best. Steve could talk about anything. But like Dave Matthews, all of a sudden we hit it off on something else. It might have been Backgammon or something. So you just try to find a level with an artist. So when I was being paid to work at a record company, I had to work, as I said, lots of artists I didn't necessarily like, but I just did it. That was my job. In my, you know, my- What about assholes? Like, uh, okay, fine. You did not your cup of tea, the music, and you find something to relate to them on. But what about, there must, you must have had to represent some jerks.

Yeah. Vinnie Vincent. But the beautiful thing about working with Vinnie is he introduced me to Mark Slaughter and Dana Strum, who became Slaughter, who I worked with for years. And I'm still in touch with them. I see them every time they're in Toronto. I gave them a gold record in London and I forget what year when I was at a Chrysalis convention. So yeah, Vinny was difficult to work with. He was just telling me how to drive around my city and, oh, by the way, get me a hairdryer for my hotel room and stuff like that. Just like,

please. I like these other two guys. I'll hang with them for the rest of my life. So yeah, no go Vinny. Yeah. Okay. That wondered how you were going to answer that one. Now I want to tell you, this is a pro tip for you, Cameron. If you have a, I don't know, we talked about your vinyl collection there. Maybe you don't want to move that again, but if you had any old electronics, old cables, old devices, don't throw it in the garbage. Go to recyclemyelectronics.ca, put in your postal code, and you could find a place near you to drop it off, to be properly recycled so those chemicals

don't end up in our landfill. Recyclemyelectronics.ca. You got it? Can I bring them here next time? You can bring them here, and then I'll go to recyclemylectronics.ca. You got it? Can I bring them here next time? You can bring them here and then I'll go to RecycleMyElectronics.ca. Because I do have bins of old chords and radios. You know what? I have an idea and I got to talk to Clip Hacking at EPRA and they're behind RecycleMyElectronics.ca.

We're at the next Toronto Mic listener experience and I'm hoping to have one late November, early December or mid December, summer there at Palmer's kitchen to have a bin where we collect these items and then we can get them to a proper recycle my electronics.ca facility. So I'm working on that. It's a great idea. And you already shouted out Ridley Funeral Home earlier, but I do want you to know you do have that measuring tape from Ridley Funeral Home earlier, but I do want you to know you do have that Measuring tape from Ridley Funeral Home and just yesterday Brad Jones from Ridley Funeral Home drop by we recorded a new episode of life's Undertaking which is Brad's excellent podcast and it was it was fascinating as always so subscribe to life's

Undertaking from Ridley Funeral Home. I get to co-host that show and it's great fun. So check that out We only have one more jam to go. But before I kick it out, it's funny how certain like topics Electrify the city and great debate and one of them is this beach versus beaches thing. Okay, so Here's a question for you. And this is pointed out on the live stream We never called it the beach jazz festival For 27 years or whatever people have been going to the Beaches Jazz Festival. So Cameron Carpenter, how do you respond to that? Do they have it wrong at the Beaches Jazz Festival?

Yeah, because Leto wasn't born in the beach. So I've been going to the Beaches Jazz Festival since it started as well. And I was there this year. So nobody's perfect. I've been going to the Beaches Jazz Festival since it started as well. And I was there this year, so. Nobody's perfect. Okay. Ask, you know, if you can't anymore and there'll be actually the CFC picnics coming up next weekend.

Norman Jewison called it the beach. Went to school with my dad at Malvern Collegiate. And it was on stage when I was getting my diploma, my degree from University of Toronto at Convocation Hall. Norman Jewison shook my hand on the stage. Fantastic. And Ivan Reitman is also no longer with us. Lots of shouts out to Ridley Funeral Home.

But Ivan Reitman was the keynote speaker that day at Convocation Hall when I got my degree. Wow. When my son got his degree at McGill, it was William Shatner. That's pretty cool. And in one, well, OK, we're in year three now. So in another year and a half, I will also be at a convocation at McGill for my daughter. It's a great school. My son had a great time and he's now a senior copywriter at a great ad agency and McGill did the world of wonders for his education.

So love to hear it. I had a yeah, Michelle's having a great year. Three just started last week, this week, this week. What a blur. Okay. This is, this has been a wild, like this week feels like it's been a couple of weeks. Okay. So this is her first week just winding down. Things are going well. Let's kick out your final jam. Everybody thinks they look a bit like James Bond Everybody thinks they look a bit like James Bond James Bond in any kind of role model I collect homebys and commemorative stamps And there's something James Bond about that I am Putin intolerant

And there's something James Bond about that Everybody thinks they look a bit like James Bond Everybody thinks they look a bit like James Bond Everybody thinks they look a bit like James Bond Everybody thinks they look a bit like James Bond James Bond ain't any kind of role model I buy 50 free cigarettes in Bond White Bond I drive a jet black

Tell me, Cameron Carpenterenter about The Bug Club. This song is called A Bit Like James Bond. Yeah, they're a Welsh duo, just like The Lovely Eggs. It's just two of them. Once again, just a sense of humor, funny lyrics. They just signed with Sub Pop. And once again, I have nothing to do with them, but their new album is out today on the Intricate Inner Workings of the System is what it's called.

And it'll probably be my upcoming X start to finish album, which I've been doing every day since COVID. I play it. How can people follow you on X? And I hate calling it X. Okay. The app formerly known as Twitter, how do they follow you? I think I'm either all different. I think it's cambo 59 on Twitter. Why do I think it's CC?

It's CC 59 on X. CC 59. It's cambo59 on Spotify, which I also do a different theme every day, an album cover, a set list, piece of swag, whatever. When I drop this episode, we're going to take a photo by the Toronto tree, and then I'm going to get your lasagna out of the freezer, then we're gonna take our photo and then I'm gonna make sure I tag you all over the place so if people find my post I'm at Toronto Mike almost everywhere find my posts you can then connect to Cameron

and follow Cameron and find out what's going on in the camp carpenter universe I can honestly tell you this is my first exposure to the Bug Club. Yeah, once again, male, female. There's a lot happening with women in rock right now. Like, Wetleg, The Beaches, The Damn Truth. I don't know if you know The Damn Truth from Montreal. They're playing next Friday at Redwood Theatre in the East End. But it's a female-led classic rock band writing all new material. And I always say if Swan Song had signed a band in the 70s from Canada, it would have been the damn truth, even though they weren't around.

But just great classic rock. The Last Dinner Party, Cross Dog, great punk band led by a woman in Peterborough, Dead Pony, Pony, Thunder Queens, No Bro, Destroy Boys, Avalon Stones. Wow. Lots going on. There's so much female rock right now. I think it's absolutely fantastic. And it's nice to see rock making a resurgence and the ladies... Love it. And one of the many places I bumped into in the last few years was at the Rivoli

for the Subversive documentary premiere, Simon Head's documentary about Lois de Galo. Yes, I was there, which is now available on Apple TV and YouTube and your FOTM Jonathan Gross. Oh, you have a copy of it. You're doing better than I am. I know. Simon gave me a copy. Jonathan Gross produced this DVD. Yes, fantastic. Oh, that reminds me. Next week, are you going to the David Kines, speaking of Munch Music and their 40th week, are you going to the David Kines, speaking of Munch Music and their 40th anniversary,

are you going to be at the David Kines Hollywood Sweet Breakfast? The Hollywood Sweet? Of course. That's one of my favorite tip events. Starting next Friday morning. That breakfast is gorgeous in the crystal ballroom at the King Edward. Yeah, fantastic. So I plan to be there as well. And I was there last year and I saw you there. And I believe you're the guy who introduced me to Jonathan Gross?

I did. And the picture I put on X today is from that party because I had my suit on and that's Ron Suter from Universal Films behind us in that picture which I never noticed he photobombed that and Moron used to work at MCA Records back in the day. So when I see you at this event next week, you can introduce me to like future FOT, you can cherry-pick who would be a good FOTM because I met a few people that day that went on to become FOTMs and one of them being Jonathan Gross and You seem to have a good eye for talent. So let me know who I should be booking. Thank you. And speaking of films

I'm just gonna yeah, go ahead. I'm gonna PR segue this. Go ahead. I'm also working this year with Shorts Not Pants Film Festival in Toronto. I've been on the jury there for the last five or six years. Not the jury, just the selection committee, which is a great film festival, shortsnotpants.com, which will be at the Carleton Cinema November 8th and 10th this year. We're just picking our final films now, so.

Well, thanks for doing this. I loved hearing you kick out the jams. I learned a great deal more about you. I'm gonna see you next week. Yes. And I gotta say, I appreciate you fighting the traffic and making your way all the way west to what I call the West End beaches.

It's worth it for the book, the pasta, the tape measure, the beer. It's well worth the trip to Acton. It's worth the trip to Acton, home of the great Ross Weston. They named a lane birth the trip to Acton home of the great Ross Weston They named a laneway for him in Acton, Ontario. No way Go to Acton and you can find the the Ross Weston laneway somewhere there. Fantastic. Love Roz and that

Brings us to the end of our 1,543rd show You can follow me on Twitter and blue sky. I'm all over the place, even on Instagram. I'm at Toronto Mike. Much love to all who made this possible. That's Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, RecycleMyElectronics.ca, Ridley Funeral Home. And for 2024 2024 we say goodbye to the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball team. Hit me up at Mike at Toronto Mike dot com. If you're interested in opportunities that are now available I'd love to talk to you. The last episode of the month will drop tomorrow. It is a very special very thorough origin story of MuchMusic, which launches 40 years ago tomorrow. Check that out.

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