Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Jeff Woods: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1528

Episode Date: July 31, 2024

In this 1528th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with radio veteran Jeff Woods about being bi while they kick out the bi jams. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, The Advantaged Investor podcast from Raymond James Canada, The Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball Team and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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They're pillars of the community since 1921. And today returning to Toronto might is Jeff woods. You should have read that intro. No, but it's your show bear. Remember that line? It's your show bear. What's that from? Bad News Bears?

Talk radio. I don't remember that line, but... You would love that movie. Okay, that's the Eric Bogdashian? Bogosian? You said it. You said it. Hey, do I get to hear you doing voiceover?

Like do you do voiceover work? You know, I do I get to hear you doing voiceover? Like do you do voiceover work? You know, I do some I have an agent and I I do a million auditions and then you walk away and you John Gallagher gets the game to win the lottery Like why am I watching the Super Bowl and I hear John Gallagher and I say why why am I not hearing Jeff woods? Strange, isn't it? I remember years ago I was looking for an agent and then one found me, but before that I was sort of, you know, sending out tapes and they're like, we have a couple of Jeff Woodses.

We have a Jeff Woods. Well, I think you're as unique as a snowflake. Jeff, welcome back. So for those who need to know the ongoing, you know, your previous visits to Toronto Miked, and we're gonna do a lot of catching up up but maybe even before I tell people about your previous appearances we should set the table to say that we are kicking out the bi jams. How difficult was it for you to come up with a list of ten songs, bisexual jams,

bisexual songs? I had five on the tip of my tongue as it were and then I did a little research as one does. What else is on the tip of my tongue as it were and then they know research is one does what else is on the tip of that? You never know. I found about 10 or 15 more so I don't know. I got a little it down to 10 I have 10 really good ones coming up. Okay, and just so I know we're going 10 to 1 right? Yeah, okay Okay, no, I thought well it's up to you I thought that's what I have a plan to do but I can you know go change up and just to point something out that You actually have the you know know one artist is represented three times like I'm just shocker really yeah guess who gets what guess which one it

is the guess who how do you know it's undone she's come undone no clap for the wolf man clap no no pun intended my goodness all right so we're gonna kick out the bisexual jams we're gonna gonna talk about that. Let me read the descriptions from your previous visits. In one of these episodes, that's the episode where you came out publicly as bisexual for the first time. So let me first set the table by saying you were here for the first time in June 2016. That is over eight years ago. So our relationship is over eight years old. I remember it well. And then we saw each other shortly after.

That I think. A ubiquitous energy seeker. Right. Where I introduced you to Ashley Bu Schultz. Love the guy. And then I ended up meeting him way up north near near Thornbury where I live. You know he's kind of gone like his partner in crime is still very active touring with Tea Party. They went to Australia so he's very active but Ashley Bucholtz is actually I want to say gone like off the grid. I have no idea since USS broke up I have no idea how he's doing where he is how to reach him. Have you had any contact of Ashley Bucholtz? I only through a friend. He's a complex individual, one of the kindest,

warmest, most creative guys I ever met. USS is a cool band. You had them on here. A couple of times. And I will say that I remember singing Hayden's take with Ashley Buchold. And we really bonded. We both loved that song on the 1993 New Music Search

CD from CFNY, a station I'm gonna actually ask you about shortly. love that song on the 1993 new music slash makeup aficionado and he's really tight with ash so just say just say Toronto Mike would love to have a chat with you ash yeah drop that note for me okay so episode 177 so we're going way back to 177 that was June 2016 Mike chats with former Q107 broadcaster Jeff Woods about his life in radio the legends of the best way to get it is on Amazon, on paperback for like 22 bucks, unless you have credits and you can get it for next to nothing. But it's a 22 dollar book. And all the tips here. OK, and then you came back.

This is, I think, when you came out August 2018. It was episode three hundred and seventy. Mike Chance of Broadcaster Jeff Woods about his podcast, his sexuality, his favorite songs of all time and more. So we kicked out the jams. But please, can you give me a little insight? Like what gave you the courage? I don't know if it requires courage, but I'm gonna, we're gonna like drill into this later because I had a little chat with

you outside and I have some thoughts on things. And you are writing a book about this and you're raising money for this book called Being By. So we're gonna dive into all of that. But why did you come out in that episode 370? I think as you asked me, you're like, come on, spill the, you know, because I think it's important. People, why do you have to tell me about your sexuality? I think that it's important because it's one of those things.

So the B in LGBTQ, 2S, two spirit, which is bi in and of itself, if you're aboriginal and you're bi. The B is the most prevalent, the greatest numbered of the letters. It's not G, it's not L. I guess Q is the greatest because queer is kind of an overarching theme of the entire spectrum. But B is more than all the other letters combined. Yet you wouldn't know it from society, would you?

Because it's one of those things where there's lots of bi guys that have wives, and we don't know what their relationship is, or what their agreements are. There's lots of bi women who have husbands. There's lots of monogamous bi people. There's lots of poly bi people. But bi is kind of invisible. Gay has the gay pride. And it's just

called pride now if you're part of the entire spectrum but still bi is not believed by a lot of people oh you're just on we're gonna dive into I was honored that you felt comfortable enough to you know share that side of your your life with us thank you well you asked and I thought what have I got to hide this might be asking these questions it's the hiding that is the biggest problem among bisexual Do you remember when Tom Hanks won the best actor award for Philadelphia and then in his speech? He was thanking his teacher who was a proud gay man, but wasn't out of the closet So like Tom Hanks inadvertently outed this teacher of his in that Oscar acceptance speech

I wonder how that went with the teacher. I mean a movie about it. to do that. There's a movie about it, with Kevin Kline. You're not supposed to do that. And I feel like maybe I did that in episode three. I wasn't bothered. Why would I be bothered? You have to be proud or at least open about who you are. We're gonna get into it, but one last visit here. Although you did show up as the special guest

when we kicked out the Pride Jams on Pandemic Fridays with Stu Stone and Cam Gordon. Right. But July, 2022, that was episode 1,079. We reconnected. I think that one I let you zoom in from Thornbury, but we talked about John Deringer at Q107 because you were his program director.

I was for a while. Okay, and you didn't know about what was going on. I didn't say that, did I? I can't remember. You were slippery, but. I always knew about everything that was going on at the radio station for about 20 years. Is that because, well, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to out you again, but you were dating Colleen Rusholm at the time?

I was dating her when John came back to the radio station and did Afternoons up in North York. So you would know a lot? Yeah, she was co-hosting with him in the Afternoons show. You would know everything? All the things. Well, we also talked about your golden voice and we talked about your sexy new podcast. That's is that so what are your current podcasts before we get to be still have the the podcast that

grew out of the radio show. So was legends of classic rock and that became records and rock stars when I when I when I left the corporation and that still continues records and russstars has like 235 episodes. Amazing. You know, it's a smidgen compared to yours. But it's quality, not quantity. You're the most prolific. And quality, not blowing smoke out of your ass, but you know, you do a good job.

And then I- Wait, wait, can we spend more time with you blowing smoke up my ass? With me. And then, maybe. And then, The Blue Hotel became a podcast a year and a half ago about relationships, largely, navigating them effectively, if you're lucky, if you work hard at it. And about pleasure, largely.

So I interview people from therapists, largely, to relationship coaches, to drag queens to trans people to anybody Anywhere in the pleasure spectrum as it were sexy stuff right there. Okay, kind of sexy the blue hotel podcast So again, I want to get to the jams. I pledged to get to the jams earlier But even now I've gone, you know, and then between the jams we catch up like I got like like one question I'll ask before I kick off. Like, have you had any contact with John Derringer since he was let go by Chorus?

No, but I have a funny little story and I don't mind sharing it. And John and I met in 88, because he was doing Afternoons then at Q107 and I was like the new guy doing the swing shift. Right. And John was always great to me, right? The one thing I wanna clarify about

being a program director at Q107 when John Deringer was doing Mornings is this. People are like, what about management? Why don't they get rid of all the management that were responsible for him getting away with? Like protecting him almost. Like enabling him. So what I did was, when I became program director,

I had no women in the room on the show. It was a three-guy show. Now, I'm not bragging that I didn't put women on the air. What I'm saying is, I didn't want to put someone in a position where they would be compromised, verbally abused, blah blah blah. Well you knew the the the history, the trend if you will, when there is a woman working on that morning show with John Derringer at the helm and you were

trying to protect women from experiencing the same fate as like an Andrea Ruiz or a Colleen Rush home. Yeah it started with Colleen and Jackie and And then it went to Maureen and then eventually I went to, why is her name? She's the one. Jennifer Valentine. Jennifer, of course. So yeah.

That would be an episode of Toronto Mike with those women all in the same panel. All that stuff, yeah. So Colleen, I've got to witness Colleen coming home. You didn't have the, and it's worth just revisiting this, that you didn't have the power, even though you're program director, you don't have the power even though your program director You don't have the power to remove John derringer discipline John derringer

He was the goose that laid the golden eggs for a long time with the company and it was doing incredibly well After Howard Stern was taken off the station Local advertising, you know Saul's Clothiers and Corey's Clothiers Saul know, Saul's Clothiers and Corey's Clothiers, Saul. Saul Corman. Yeah, at Babe Blue Radio and all those places, spent a lot of money on Q and they were happy to have a local DJ and his name was John Deringer. So they did very well. So my, the limit to what I could do was not putting a woman in the room. Okay, well I'm glad you clarified that because, yeah, yeah, it's just, just something that,

uh, you, you, you did you, what the best you could do with the power you had. Okay. All right. You ready to kick out the by jams? I couldn't be more ready. All right. Let's kick out the first one. I've loved this.

Oh my God. You know, this song, right? Of course. Remember the year? Only because I read your notes from the early 80s. 82. We'll give it a moment to breathe and then I'll bring her down and then we'll talk about the book being by and how people can support that. Thank

you. There's a glimmer of sunlight landing on the street Suns that cross the speed of scream That voice, wow. I will say though, if you had put a gun to my head, hopefully you don't do that, Jeff Woods, but if you did and you said, hey, who's the artist? I think I'd be dead. I actually could not remember who the artist is. Who is the artist here? Romeo Void. Yeah, I didn't have that in the chamber, if you will, but

why did you choose this song? Here, listen. Yeah. This. I like you better. So you hear that, you hear that from both men and women. Might have been better if you slept together. Only on days ending in Y. I'm kidding.

Well, there is a question actually. So you were, we talked about, okay, so here's something where my ignorance, you helped me with something in that, when I think of bisexual, I almost think of it as a 50-50 split. Like you're, as a, you know, You'll be as sexually adventurous with one gender as the other, or non-gender even. And you were very clear that you had this ratio, right? Like it's sort of like- I felt like it was 80-20. 80-20 is used in so many contexts, but I felt like it was always that. And if I did the math, which if I made a list, it would bear out to about 80-20. So we're

talking sex but Basement Dweller who's got a who wants to know the current number he says great sax on this one this song. Such a good song. The thing about this song Mike and and to our listener to our one listener thank you. Well I gotta say hi to Jeremy Hopkins there's a bunch of people on the livestream but and most people here is as a podcast, but go ahead. Thank you, people. This isn't technically a by jam, but I perceive it that way because of who I am. Romeo Void, 1982.

She said, the singer, that she was randy as a goat, and she's coveting a hymn, but still, I think it transcends gender and sexual preference love it I just love it and she says it like 14 times or more I might like you better if we slept together so the main question is is there a percentage update like it doesn't matter this is your personal business right now. Yeah you know if I had to if I had to update since the last time we spoke and I came out here in 2018 it's probably 70-30. 70-30. 70 is for women yeah and 30 for men

I have something that really drives this home more than anything else I don't know if you remember there was an artist named Phil Oakes Of course, he was a folk artist Hawkins came over and kicked out some Phil Oakes. Oh, it's Phil's big inspiration. So get this Yeah, I got to talk on the Blue Hotel podcast to his niece Robin Oakes Oh, it's OCHS Phil and his niece is Robin and Robin is from America And I call her the foremost leading the foremost voice of bisexuality because she is that And she came up with the definition she came up with it over years of doing research around being bi right can I read it to you? It's quite. Yeah? It's not long. You can read the phone book, Jeff.

Robin Oakes puts it this way. I call myself bisexual because I acknowledge that I have in myself the potential to be attracted romantically and or sexually to people of more than one gender, not necessarily at the same time, not necessarily in the same time, not necessarily in the same way, not necessarily to the same degree. So that's really the best definition. Which way is the wind blowing today is kind of the thing. But Jeff, are you a serial monogamist

or in open relationships? I, foolishly, but you don't know what you know till you know it. For years I tried to be a monogamist and I tried to be loyal specifically to female partners and it just wasn't working and the definition of insanity is... Trying that over and over again. Yeah and expecting different results. So now I'm appalling. So you basically recognize that you're

you're not able to be true to these women so stop pledging monogamy when you can't deliver like you should just be open and honest with your partner that you know within certain parameters you may experience other partners. The society that we live in particularly I'm a a boomer, I'm at the end of the boomers, right? It's 1964, I was born. So the conditioning that we got as that generation was, was not what I really am, which is bi. It was get married, have a family, yada yada yada. And I respect that and it's wonderful for many people, but it turned out it wasn't my thing. I didn't have kids. I thought I was shooting blanks

because I might've had a bit of sex. And so I went and did a sperm count test and they're like, no, you're good. You just got lucky. I think I was just the king of the pullout. Hey, you mastered that technique and not recommended by the way, Jeff. No, it's really not.

You dodged some bullets there. No, if there's any people young listening that are about to have sex later on today, don't do that. I got a vasectomy. Let me recommend this to you, Jeff, would get a vasectomy. I did.

Okay, how long ago? 20, 2019. You know what? Oh, I got mine in 2020. The thing is, here's what happened. I was with this wonderful woman, and she knew I was by from the beginning because it's something I started doing years ago. It was right up front, full disclosure. You know, here's my story. I have no kids. I'm not a trillionaire

and I'm by these things are not good. I have this voice that you can listen to every night and so she was cool and and then there were she was she's a friend of Ash Ash from USS that's probably the closest maybe she'll sing take with me on I only said that because on the live stream there's a drinking game where every time I mentioned lately I've been mentioning Hayden's take quite a bit because I put together a special episode about Hayden's take and I see him every Wednesday night at High Park because Hayden's kid plays in the same division as my kid in soccer. So Hayden's on the brain

Okay, hey on the brain. Oh, so we were dating and then we split up and then and then she called me one day and said I'm pregnant and and she had a bunch of kids already So I said well and I was really compassionate obviously I felt for her. Your baby? Yes and it wasn't going to be safe for her, her age and she'd lost some children and so I said I'll go get a vasectomy and I love you and I'm sorry this is happening to you and she went through the procedure

and we got back together because she said I handled it better than she'd ever imagined anyone would. And so I went and got the vasectomy and I feel good that I did that because I wasn't going to have kids anyway. So this begs, firstly, have you hit the milestone birthday yet? We're talking in, what is this, late July?

Have you hit that yet? Yeah, I hit it, don't say anything. Okay, because I hit it I hit a different milestone, but I hit a milestone recently too, but congratulations on that I think that'll blow some minds that you're now a Sex to Jerry and is that is that appropriate enough? I'm like you're a sex to Jerry I'm gonna take that one of two ways No, I mean ages is is not just a number but I feel like it is the more you talk about how old you are the more You're pushing yourself to the end and I don't I don't want an end. No, but you're in you're in good shape Reasonably good. You look good. You look good for a 70 year old jeans

That's what sex to Jerry Scepter scepter. All right, quick question. Let's say that phone call you got I'm pregnant I feel like now it's like a Christmas card from a hooker in Minneapolis or whatever. Charlie, I'm pregnant. You get this call. Jeff, I'm pregnant. Yeah.

And what if she was a titch younger and it wasn't so dangerous and she said, well, I'll quote Madonna in Papa Don't Preach. I'm keeping my baby. I would. Jeff, I'm gonna keep my baby. I was super sad that she that she didn't and I knew she couldn't but I would love to have had a child a daughter in particular. Well this is where I'm going because it's clear you

didn't want to have you didn't want to be a dad but if it sort of happened you know unplanned you'd be up for that challenge. Yeah years ago years ago it actually looks like 2019. Oh but many years ago it actually looked like it was happening. This is only 2019, oh okay. Many years before that, but I think she was, I think she wanted to play house this other woman. And I don't think she was actually pregnant. As I put in the chapter in the book, Radio Records and Rockstars, the end of the chapter,

the last line was, there was no baby. Wow. So, but here's the thing. That's a move. To really tie a ribbon around this, I didn't want to be in a position like so many people where I was a single dad, where the relationship didn't work and I was getting kids on the weekend. I thought that would be heartbreaking for me.

Very interesting, Jeff. And I really gotta say, I appreciate your candor with all of this because I'm asking some super fucking personal questions. I like it. But I just feel comfortable enough to do it. And I want to talk about this book, being by and how people can support it. But I'm actually going to play your second jam before we do that. I feel like maybe I'll keep teasing it.

It'll be like, what is it when Jimmy Kimmel says that the Matt Damon is coming on the show and then he gets bumped every single time. I'm going to just completely bump it. But right out, let's play a little bit of another by jam. And then we're going gonna talk about Bean Bye. ["Been Bye"] Papa, he left home today and said he ain't coming back again. Said he ain't gonna be nobody's second best

just because mama's got a special kind of friend. Well, Papa, he left home today and said he ain't coming back no more. Said he ain't gonna take no damn back seat What's this artist? It's Ben Harper. And for a lot of people it'd be like, wow, that's Ben Harper that was from his first major label record. 1994 was the year. I remember that coming into the radio station in Edmonton and I thought Ben Harper is kind

of great. What station in Edmonton were you on? The Bear. I helped launch The Bear with Patrick Zulanoff and Eric Samuels and Scruff Connors. Scruff. Scruff Son is a big real estate magnate. Scruff Son is that. He's done very well with that. Shout out to TJ. Absolutely. And Scruff Man, the stories on Scruff could fill up a few dozen episodes of Toronto Mines. Yeah, for real. Rest in peace Scruffuff Connors he's been gone a while. Is that, see 94 because you got ten years on me so that's like 04 but what what brought you out to Edmonton

again just you were just... You know I'd sold my record store and traveled around the world and then and then Hetze FM and St. Catharines called and said you want to do some shows they got my tape from somebody, right? So I went and did a pile of- Well, have you heard your voice, Jeff? People are gonna want you on there. Kind of like the rock guy. So I went and did a pile of shows

and I finally said to the boss, you know, I did more afternoons, I did evenings, I did weekends, I did all the shows. I said, are you gonna hire me or what? So he took me for lunch. It was standard broadcasting, right? They just acquired a pile of stations out west at the time Carrie Slate did And he goes actually I do want to hire you but not for here

He goes I'm gonna move out west and start a new station and would you like to come to that market? Which was Edmonton or do you want to go to Calgary? He gave me a choice I said I'll go wherever you're going because I had great respect for the guy big big radio mind Eric Samuels so he packed up a scruff and his producer Patrick Zulanoff and me and we all went out west and started this station a rock station you should have filmed that for a documentary series it would have been smart we didn't think like that no so Ben Harper yeah mama's got a new girlfriend now and if you read the subtext of that song

but daddy was by two they were both by but he couldn't handle. That's the thing. A lot of people don't mind their partner being bi, but they don't want to be second best in the relationship and they don't want to be second fiddle as it were. Well, you said you're poly. Now, my concern with poly is less the sexual part and more the the emotional part that once you get that intimate and close to somebody if they take your heart it feels like that's the where it gets sticky is the the heart the emotions. There's a love. It's an incredibly complex situation it takes more communication honesty-reflection than any other kind of relationship. The people that do it well communicate effectively.

And some people, because sometimes, for example, you have a nesting partner, someone that you love living with, someone that's your primary, someone that you're, that do all kinds of things with, groceries, and all the things, your and your lovers too But sometimes after two decades a lot of the way out for people Maybe the kids have left whatever the reason is right is just goodbye and Some people have decided that there's a different way forward. I don't want to not know you

I don't want to not be with you., however I have a proclivity to be with other people too. So great communicators can pull it off beautifully. But it's obviously not for everybody, because I think even though you're upfront and honest about all this, you will have partners who think they can roll with it and then realize, oh I can't because he's basically on a date on a Friday night and he's making love

to somebody else. Or she. Or she, of course, he'd listen to me. I think the biggest thing that goes wrong in relationships is humiliation. So if you have a female partner and she has a proclivity, she's bi and she wants to have a female lover. She needs to tell the female lover that, hey, I've got a primary partner and he's gonna know about this

I tell him this isn't a secret with him. There's no secrets, right? So so there's no humiliation key is there's no betrayal because you're not deceiving anybody here We have a greenest about it. We have agreed to what we have agreed and and we proceed accordingly and and it's an ongoing conversation You don't just say one day Hey, let's be poly. Okay, Bob, and then you never talk about it again. It's an ongoing thing. Absolutely Interesting now this book you're writing. It's called being by yeah, I'll be done the first draft next week It's gonna be 300 pages like 85,000 words. Do you plan to self-publish this book, Being By? I am self-publishing because while I did get offered a publishing deal years ago, for the

first book I decided to go it alone because I wanted to learn how to do it myself. That's very punk rock of you. Very stubborn too. I love it. Because I could have gotten greater distribution going through with a publisher, but the money split made more sense to do it yourself. I didn't get a ranch but but the split is the split and I wanted to learn how to do it and I thought You know, what is it about writing editing doing a cover doing a layout getting it printed? Promoting it now if you could know I'm gonna ask you in a moment about financing this and then yeah how listeners can help with that

But have you considered not printing it like like what if it was just an e book? Yeah, I have, but a lot of people that collect, say records like me and a lot of people listening or collect books, it's nice to have that tangible thing. I really enjoy reading a book at the beach or in the hammock and a physical book is nicer on the eyes and I just like the tactile idea to when you print the book, a couple of pages in the hammock, and a physical book is nicer on the eyes. I just like the tactile nature of it. When you print the book, a couple of pages in the back should be made of tissue paper. That sounds strange.

I think I know what you're getting at. Here's a cool thing. So 1974, Mike. Year of my birth. Todd Rundgren came out with an album called Todd, a double album. And in that album was a sleeve with lyrics and stuff, but not just lyrics, but this sleeve had all the names

of people that had been part of the fan club and on his previous record sent their name in in the mail or sent something, it's like in a contest, but it was, so all their names went on the sleeve. So in this book, but it was, so all their names went on the sleeve. So in this book, everyone who supports the Kickstarter campaign, which ends the... I need the details, so slow down, Jeff, here.

You're saying there's some kind of a crowdfunding campaign. There's a crowdfunding campaign called Kickstarter for creative projects, right? Whether you're making a record or publishing a book. I decided to do it. Did you ever interview Miss Emily, the blues artist? No. Wonderful woman.

I called her one day and said, how did your Kickstarter go? She goes, we made it. She was looking for 20,000 to fund the album. An album costs more than that to make sometimes, but in any event, the crowd, her fans, ended up helping fund it. And so she gave me some pointers and I launched this thing and they said, do it for 30 days. the most successful ones get funded in 30 days so I did a

budget and to make this book happen is about thirteen and a half thousand dollars to pay all the people. Is that the Kickstarter target is like what thirteen point five K? Thirteen but they take a they take a bit of a cut so I rounded it to 15 to cover the expenses properly and then I put it up and we're like nine days left and we're at 27 percent funded if you don't fund it a hundred percent you don't get the money I didn't know that yeah I didn't know Jeff I'm learning I've never had the ball go fun me is. GoFundMe is not that. GoFundMe, I did GoFundMe for the first one and I worked and it worked famously and sold 500 advance copies. So you could be 95% to your target and if you

don't get to a hundred nothing happens no money. Well hopefully your buddy with deep pockets puts in because you don't have to. Who is this buddy? I'm gonna call them after the show. I don't know. I hope he's listening and they top it up so you can make I feel like you could crowdfund this just if your exes all donated like 20 bucks you know it's a really good idea I reached out to a couple of them and okay so you're you got some work to do here so if you were going to direct somebody listening to us right now where would they go to open their wallet, tap their card, whatever, to help you publish,

self-publish, being by? I'll tell you where and then I'll tell you what you get, because I'm not a believer. Yeah, go to this at the sales pitch point. You get something for something. After your sales pitch, I'll give you some gifts from my partners and we'll do it all in this chunk right here. Please go ahead

If you Google being by Kickstarter or Jeff woods being by Kickstarter I mean Google's credit just comes right up and then you coming up over there Jeff And you have different tiers they encourage you so the book would be one tier, a signed dedicated book to you, delivered to your house. That's the first tier. But do you deliver it to the house? Well, I do get involved in handing you the book, not in that one. That's a Canada Post thing. Okay. Tier number two is an invitation to the Toronto launch party at my house in the junction, which is a great venue. Where I bring the book for you and I sign it and hand it to you and we have a burlesque show,

we have food, we have drink, we might have a drag show. Just a really nice party for 100 people only. That is tier three, right? Another tier is you get the book, I send it to you, and we have a Zoom call and we talk about you because there's a lot of people that wanna talk about this stuff. That's like therapy maybe with Jeff.

I think that's awesome. That's a good tier, the book and the Zoom. And then another one, which some people are digging, is a custom audio narration. So you have a story about yourself, or you have a story you wanna give to somebody as a gift. I will collaborate with you and do an erotic narration, or any kind of narration really,

with your characters, your name, your friends, whatever the thing is, I read it to you and I send it to you, so you've got this custom-made narration. I was gonna ask, what's the tier where you call me up at night and wish me a good night's sleep sex talk sex talk pillow talk. Yeah That's a great idea. That's here. That's that's some some people men and women listening who I think would be interested in

I think I missed the boat on tier five. You didn't consult me you know, I'm here for you but I will say on the live stream they think that being by this book that you're finishing up here and funding via Kickstarter and people should contribute what they can get this thing done. Jeremy says will be a good read. It will be good to read at Hanlon's point. Yeah agreed I love that place. I haven't been this year yet. It's one of my favorite spots. You want to kayak over with me later? I just love laying on the beach with like-minded people who don't really wanna wear clothes.

I have so many questions, but I wanna get to another jam and then I'll give you some gifts and then I'll ask you more annoying questions. And not all my questions will be about being bi. I have some radio questions and more. I'm gonna open a book then. You know, that's why I said, I said I'm not zooming with you, Jeff. I want you in the studio. I'm gonna open a book then. You know, that's why I said, I said I'm not zooming with you, Jeff.

I want you in the studio. We're gonna get into it here, but let's kick out another by Jam. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah! Oh yeah! I'm up on the 11th floor and I'm watching the cruises below It's down on the street and it's dry and hot, the boots is the flow Oh my heart's in boot, sister, flow

Oh, my heart's in the basement My weekend's at an all-time low Cos she's hoping to score So I can't see her letting him go Walk out of her heart Walk out of her mind Oh, not her She's so swish squishy in her sad and tired In her rock cold and vividly bubbly hat

Oh God, I could do better than that So good. Is this your favorite artist of all time? You know, I go Beatles and Bowie. There's David Bowie. Queen Bitch, the song, 1971. The album Hunky Dory that he wrote for, he wrote with Lou Reed in mind. Trag queens and hookups and New York City, right? Did you ever meet Lou Reed?

I never met Lou, strangely. I went to see him play. It's one of the few concerts I walked out of when he played the Hummingbird Center years ago. Really? I was at Sony. Why did you walk out? I was just so bored.

He was just stuck on the same note for about five songs on his guitar. Interesting. I'm like, really? Do we want to do this? I don't think we want to do this. He was just so self-indulgent. Love Lou Reed Records though. You know. While we produced Transformer, as you know. And New Sensations is a favorite from the 80s.

In any event, Bowie with the... Queen Bitch. Queen Bitch. David's just so crazy. I mean, we talked about David. I won't have to say too much. Other than the fact that it was my favorite interview of the five or six hundred I've done. David in 2002.

I'll bet that would be a bucket list chat. I listened to and watched so many interviews with David and I have to say this because it's true. He seemed when we talked for that hour to have more fun in that interview than he'd ever had in an interview. We laughed like a couple of kids. It was so fun and funny and he swore a lot and he laughed hysterically and he told me stories. I'd never even heard him tell That's that's on the records and rock stars podcast. I have some radio questions for you But first I'm gonna give you a couple of gifts because you you know, you're in town to do other things You didn't ride your motorcycle from Thornbury just for Toronto mind and through a torrential rain. Where's the rain?

Oh, last night? Oh my gosh. What did rain here? From Thornberry down to about Cookstown, down Highway Twice. I know Cookstown because you got the Alastin Cookstown outlet mall. Is that right? Is that high 89? Yeah, yeah.

I think. Well, my grandmother lived in Guilford, Ontario for many, many years and I used to drive up to Guilford and take her to Bradford to buy her groceries. Sure I went through Bradford. Okay well shout out to Bradford. I believe Al Greggo might be from Bradford. I could have that wrong but shout out to Al. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger and riding in torrential rain. I can't imagine. I can only imagine a bicycle but I can't imagine a motorcycle. It's like getting bullets to the face. But I'm here. I lived through that.

We did three jams and there's still seven to come. Well, hey, listen, we're going to cook with gas here. But I do want to ask you. What do you want to give me? I want to give you your fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. Gosh, thank you. So I gave you like a assortment there. You got a lager, you got an AO, you got an IPA.

You have MF's favorite beer, Hay's Mama. You got a logger, you got an ale, you got an IPA, you have MF's favorite beer, Hayes mama, you're going to enjoy that collection of fresh craft. I like a nice premium logger great lakes long. Well, you got the yeah, you definitely have the logger there. That's one of their best sellers, but great lakes, you know, delicious fresh craft beer brewed right here in southern Etobicoke. Good, good friends of the show. Speaking to good friends of the show, I have a lasagna for you in my freezer, courtesy of Palma Pasta.

Did you receive a Palma Pasta lasagna in the past from me? I've not yet, this will be my first time. That means it's been a while since you've been here, okay. So, because I've been handing these out for a while, but you'll love it, you'll be telling me, Mike, it's the best Italian food that's not in Italy here. My favorite dish is lasagna and steak, steak and pasta. Well, you're going to be, I don't have a steak for you,

but you got your pasta, you've got your beer. I have a book, that brown book there, that is the history of Toronto Maple Leafs baseball. And Jeff, I don't know if you're still in town, but on Sunday, I'm at the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball game at Christie Pitts. And after I throw out the first pitch I'm gonna record beyond the left field fence

I'm gonna record at a table an episode of Toronto Mike and literally I got my buddy Elvis there and Anyone who drops by and wants to jump on the third mic He's gonna pop on a Ben Rainer says he's dropping by swing and you're welcome as well I'm writing a book. I gotta finish the book. I'm on deadline. I can't believe you're writing a book. I can't even read a book and you're writing a book here. But Toronto Maple Leaf baseball, everybody's invited. Get your butts to Christie Pitts, especially this coming Sunday, because I'll be there

and we can hang out and you can have a Leafs logger. And last but not least, recyclemyelectronics.ca. That's where you go, Jeff. If you have old cables, old electronics, old devices, you don't throw that in the garbage because the chemicals end up in our landfill. You go to recyclemyelectronics.ca, put in your postal code, your Thornbury address, and they'll be like, hey Jeff, a couple of, I don't know, a kilometer this way and you can drop those off to be properly recycled so they don't mess up our planet Earth.

Great concept. Good concept. And I mentioned this morning, I think I said in the intro, but I was biking my kids to camp this morning and I biked by Brad Jones from Ridley funeral home. No joke. He was walking his dog with his wife, Jody. His dog's name is Arthur named for Arthur Ridley. Anyway, it was good to see Brad and everybody should listen to his podcast.

Life's undertaking. Brad Jones is a pillar of the community. As I've said many times, let's good to see Brad and everybody should listen to his podcast. Life's Undertaking, Brad Jones, is a pillar of the community, as I've said many times, let's get to another jam. And then I have questions about radio and I have questions about being by, and I'm glad you finally have a, what I call an FOTM jam. That means we are finally kicking out a song by somebody who I've had on Toronto Mike, let's kick it. Doesn't get more anthemic than this one. I'm gonna cream my jeans right now. Creaming my jeans ladies and gentlemen. Here's a here's a roll of paper towel

for you Michael. Blonde, scheming bitch She make my body twitch Walking down the corridor You can hear A hustled little click I want her so much I feel sick So good, isn't it? Talk about an anthem. So glad you're kicking this one out. It's one of the first songs I thought of of but tell me why you're kicking out High School

Confidential by Rough Trade. I remember being 16 in my Oshawa bedroom listening to the radio. Q was the station that was playing this. I mean Chum FM was probably playing it too. They asked for, I remember Carol Pope told me that Chum FM requested a censored version. That's correct. Yeah, crazy, right? They didn't like the cream my jeans when she comes my way. Yeah, it's funny, huh? It was a family company. Chum FM, Chum AM. She was a bit ambiguous about it, wasn't she? She said that rock and roll is about desire and passion and I'm singing to both genders. Carol Pope, you interviewed her, I interviewed her too. Fascinating. Yeah, so we have something

in common there. I love my chat with Carol Pope. She's pretty great. She comes up to Calling One and does a show about once a year and she's pretty wonderful. I like how she name checks Anita Eckberg and Mamie Van Doren a couple of pinups from the back in the day Sexy little song isn't it? Did you talk to her about her relationship with Dusty Springfield? Yeah, we did touch on that What did she tell you? Well, she was telling me about we just talked about that her few Dusty's funeral Dusty gone too soon and how Carol Pope was hanging out chatting up the Pet Shop Boys at Dusty Springfield's funeral but she was a you know very very much into Dusty and Dusty's career which you know son of a preacher man everything is

fantastic and then she had some issues with some substance abuse issues and her career went down and the Pet Shop Boys offered her like a life raft like a offer her basically helped resurrect her career with what have I done to deserve this and it completely brought back Dusty Springfield and people like me discovered Dusty Springfield. She's great honest as is Carol Hope. Rough trade and Kevin Staples obviously a principal member of that band too. discovered Dusty Springfield. Great honest, as is Carol. Hope, rough trade. And Kevin Staples, obviously,

principal member of that band too. The funny thing is, talking about by women versus by men, and what has typically happened in society is that we have fetishized as men, bisexual women, because we often put ourselves in the scenario. Oh, you're gonna bring a girl home. I can't wait I got threesome, right? on the other hand the way by men have been looked at by some of society and still is

That it's just a step on the road to a gay town and and and sometimes that it is that and Usually it's not that you Drex is a radio guy. Did you ever hear of DREX? No, but I know this name. Yeah. Was he with Chorus? He was with Chorus. He did an overnight national show and then he worked for Rogers, Jack FM in Vancouver and then and that blew up and they replaced him. But DREX has a bisexual, he's gay,

has a bisexual sister and he goes, you know what Jeff? And he was a guest of my Blue Hotel podcast. He said, when people tell you who they are, why don't we just believe them? Like, why are we going to contest, hey, bisexuality's not even a thing. You're just gay and you're in the closet and don't want to admit it. I think that when you're of a certain age

and you've lived the way you've lived, you know you best and it is a thing. And while we're fetishizing women and putting ourselves in this scenario, let's not do that, but let's believe people. Let me ask you, so you rode your motorcycle here, you've got lots of tattoos, okay? You're like a rock guy, you're the voice of rock and roll.

So you're kind of a, I don't know if the word is alpha male, but you're macho-y, I don't know. You can tell me. Okay, but I'm guessing where I'm going with this is, your fan base who want to hear you tell them about ACDC, for example, or Rolling Stones or whatever. How openly, how accepting are they that you're attracted to men

and will enjoy sexual experiences with men? That's a great question. A lot of people are cool. I don't think it matters who you are, what you do. Once you open up that topic, people are either going to be okay with it or uncomfortable with it. And then you have to look at why are they uncomfortable with it? What does it say about them? You know, they say what somebody feels, things says, and how they treat you says more about them than it does about you.

If you're incredibly uncomfortable about something, there's something within you that you have to look at more closely. If you're homophobic, does that mean that maybe you have this proclivity too and you're uncomfortable with that? Perhaps. I'm sure there are some people who are disappointed with the news after me being on the radio for 40 years

that they find out my sexual preference isn't just the opposite sex. And I'm okay with that. But again, this ties into the crowdfunding. Do you feel like a good core of your followers, your audience, are unwilling to find it? If you said this book was about Keith Richards or something, they'd be like, take my money please, Mr. Woods, I love what you do.

But it's about being by and they're like, I don't want to quote them, phony quote from them, but I don't want to support that queer bullshit. I'm sure there's some people that feel that way. I think one of the encouraging facts I checked yesterday, there's a backer report. If you pledged in the Being Bi Kickstarter, you're a backer, you're backing the project and you're helping it get funded. The split is 55% women, 45% men that are getting, that are supporting it. That's encouraging to me, but there are a lot of new names.

People that were in my periphery, people that were Facebook friends or Instagram followers, names I remember, but there's a lot of people that were supporters of the first book that was about music and radio that aren't showing up yet. But everything happens as it should and in its own time. So as much as I want it to be funded, and I think we've got a fighting chance

to get there to 15 grand. Are you nervous though? I'm nervous for you because you only have what you said, nine days to hit this target. I've tried to shed things like nerves around that and just manifest and be positive about it You know how you this sounds a little woo for a lot of people and it was a little woo for me But you know a lot of women in my life are like Consider that it's already done

Feel positive about it see see the finish line. See the success. But just keep doing the work around it. Like go on Toronto Mike podcast and talk about it as we're doing. Are any mainstream radio stations putting you on or is it like no we can't you know he's a I don't know. That's a great question. Check this out. So Records and Rockstars is on a bunch of stations and then you know London and Owen Sound slash Wingham and Barry, Rock 95. And so I created a promo, a 60 second promo,

which you can see when you open the Being By Kickstarter. There's a video with a voiceover, it's me talking about why I'm doing this book. And so I took that audio promo and I sent it to the radio stations and they're playing it and I had a conversation first It's like hey, I'm sending you a commercial effectively to run during my show every week Are you cool with that because I wanted to clear it with them first not just surprise them Oh my god, what's on the radio and and they were all very receptive to it. There was no argument. So

The radio stations are good about it. I had an interview with Craig Venn because he does the morning show. FOTM Craig Venn at The Rock. At The Rock with Lucky. Love it. And we spent 10 or 15 minutes talking about the book and he was fully supportive of whomever. What about Toronto? I mean that is I know they market to Toronto from Oshawa but what about the many Toronto stations we have? Yeah, 1010 should do something with me. I haven't, you know, no one's been knocking my door down to talk about it, but it's a

great subject I think. Okay, now this next song, because like you said, we got six to go here, but I have a lot more questions, but the notes I have from you says start near one oh four, but I'm going to start the beginning. Okay, like I'll maybe we'll talk. All right, you know, it's like I was trying to be a stop producing my show. Jeff was trying to be, but what would you know? I don't need that. I'll let this brew here. I am maybe I'll turn it up at the one minute mark. Let this one of my favorite background. This is the she's amazing. Check this Has any Toronto station aired your wonderful show records and rock stars?

Yeah, I got a story about that after this jam. Okay I, you, he, together, come on, baby, let's go. I, you, she, together, come on, baby, let's go. I, you, he, together, come on, baby, let's go. Oh yes, I know this, yes. I, you, she, together, come on, baby, let's go. I, you, he, together, come on, baby, let's go. This could be your anthem, Jeff. You know who loves this too? Iggy. Iggy Pop loves this artist.

It all comes back to Bowie. Yeah, Bowie and Beatles, really. Steve Kane was just here wearing his Stooges t-shirt. Love Steve. I call him the punk rock president. I call him the Stooges t-shirt from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the This is a perfect buy jam You he together come on baby, let's go name check the artist for those who don't know peaches She together beaches the teachers of the peaches was an incredible record. That's the one that he likes the most Fuck the pain away is a song

Do that work? Yeah, temporarily anyway, you know, that's um, yeah, is it the endorphins? What's the Dopamine dopamine Roll addicted to the dopamine hits and you get a heavy dopamine hit from From sex which is also why Instagram does so well why there's so many people addicted to sex social media and sex Peaches at the same time. Maybe I want so many people addicted to sex. Social media and sex. Peaches. At the same time maybe. I want to hear, well whatever you want to talk about I want to hear, but I do want to hear that story that you said there is. So Toronto, like why won't a Toronto station air Records and

Rockstars right now or did they do that in the past? I think you'll love this little story. So when I got let go by chorus because I got to the point where I was making too much money, I mean they just discovered one day, oh my god, we're paying them one So anyway, we've parted ways and then Blair Bartram. It was the program director at this point of Q I was working for them nationally, right? You know this and my show was national so I wasn't in Q in the building But I was working from home, right? But Blair who I do I'd known all these years good He's at CHFI now is he see it's well. I think so good guy. He called me goes You got a new radio show he goes tell me more I said well It's legends of classic rock with a new name because I've developed and created you didn't know that name right no

Course on the name you know like they do with everything like they did an ongoing history of new yeah Yeah, they put it on a shelf shelf and then you're out to see. So I just started Records and Rockstars. He goes, can we have it? Which is ironic, right? The company that let me go wants my new show. So they took it and they ran it for quite a while and then they changed program directors

and they changed their vision of, you know, they wanted to reimagine the whole thing, which is a great new corporate word, buzzword. And then they dropped it. And, but then I got is a great new corporate word, buzzword. And then they dropped it. But then I got other stations, like I said, other markets. And you own this show, and I don't have a clue what it cost to air. Is there a sliding scale, depending on who's asking for it?

Well, it used to be a cash thing. Ask the station for five or six or seven or a thousand bucks a month to have the show. And but then barter is a thing and anyone listening that does media understands that what they give you instead of cash is time, airtime, commercial time. So if your show is an hour long, there's room for 10 minutes of commercials. They give you two or three of those minutes and you sell them yourself like you do with the humble and humble and Fred did this for years. Yeah, the funny 820 in Hamilton.

Yeah, so you don't know money really changes hands, but you can sell ads on their station. So I build my clients directly and then I do commercials for them. I gotta say this, mad respect to you for that. You're doing this yourself. Like you're independent and I love the fact yourself publishing the book and I love the fact that you're taking this big swing with this crowdfunding like to me. I've got such respect for that Like I told you before when you were outside with me before we started recording like I don't know if I have the courage to Ask everybody to help crowdfund something. I think the only time I would do that

Is for charity like i'll do that for the terry fox run or the ride to conquer cancer or something I think that's all incredibly honorable and and go fund me seems to be one of those places Although it does some creative projects funding. It's it's more for you know, so-and-so needs an operation or so-and-so Fell off a ladder and can't work. Can you help the family because the kids need to eat? But but this is more of a creative And and like I say you get something for it. I'm not just asking you to fund me, I'm asking you to fund the project and I hand you a book. And you pick your tier and it's all wonderful to me. Now, Moose Grumpy on the live stream

says, we talk about Rob Halford from Judas Priest all the time. To think in the 80s he was just a macho guy in leather. How did we not realize? Some people realized. I think that's a great, thank you for, you know. Moose Grumpy, also known as Dawn, but I don't know her by Dawn, I know her as Moose Grumpy. Thank you, Moose Grumpy slash Dawn. It's funny how, and I love the fact

that a lot of artists became so big in the eyes and ears of so many music lovers that they got a pass Rob Halford got a pass who got the biggest pass what Bowie got a pass Freddie got the biggest pass right Freddie was bi He wasn't gay. He was bi He he had female and male partners as did Janis Joplin for example, right? But but Freddie just transcended everything. He could have said, you know, I like pretty much anything within the confines of the law.

And we would have given him a pass, because we loved his music so much. Everybody deserves a pass, I think. Well, I would say at this point, 2024, it's not even a pass. Like, you know, consenting adults, it's all good all good it is yeah and North America's is largely pretty good I mean of course the the us and them culture of Republicans versus Democrats and so on is a whole other kettle of fish and there's a chapter in the book called us and them that really dives into that but I don't think history will be kind to

some of the the hateful rhetoric directed towards trans people. No, and there's a chapter called Trans in the book too and I interview a friend who was Candace and is now Charlie and Charlie is a masculine, intelligent, compassionate friend who talks about the challenges of becoming transgender. It's a wonderful interview. You know, the big thing, here it is.

Why are you doing the book is because there are at least two dozen countries in the world that liking same gender is illegal and punishable by, certainly, jail, time, abuse, physical and mental, and death by hanging, shooting. I mean, legit. Couple of countries, couple dozen countries in the world in 2024.

In 2016, they held the Olympics in Russia. Sochi, Russia. And at the time, I remember thinking, why are we all going to Russia where it's literally against the law to, if a woman were to kiss another woman or a man were to kiss a man, you can't demonstrate and show any sense of pride at all in that country without risking arrest.

Why are we all going to celebrate this country that is got homophobic laws? Yeah, step into the dark ages. It would be like going to South Africa during apartheid. It's like, no, this is unacceptable and we shouldn't be there. Thank you. Agreed. Wholeheartedly. All right. Another jam. Again, this is the second FOTM jam. So the first FOTM jam was Rough Trade because Carol Pope's been on It's a pretty signature sound, isn't it? Saw these guys at the Diamond, you know, the Phoenix. Yeah, of course.

Was that before they opened for Rolling Stones? 89 is when they opened for Rolling Stones. It was that same year. Wow. I think it'd rather relax, get back, enjoy the ride. Saw that show at Sky Dome. Get straight on, yeah. You're a wild card gambler if you like it both ways. That concert's kind of famous for,

it played Exhibition Place, or Exhibition Stadium, and Sky Dome. Right. There weren't a lot of people in their seats to see this band living color, but even though call to personality was a massive song on q and o seven at the time, yeah, but yeah, this is living color. This song is called by it's called by nineteen ninety three the perfect

tell me so mick loved them. That's that's how they got a deal and he wanted them on the road, but he just thought they were a cool band. But of course, the Stones had a great history of cozying up to incredible artists from Stevie Ray Vaughan to Peter Tosh. Did you think in 2024 we'd still have the Rolling Stones on tour? No, I did anyone? Well in 89 that concert was called Steel Wheels, that tour. And the joke was it was the steel wheelchair, like that these guys were so old and they're going out on the road.

That was 1989. Yeah, guys weren't even 50 years old. Unbelievable. And yeah, now Mick is dancing around using his 81 or something. I love it. I love that they're still doing it. Yeah, there they go. Now back to radio. I was hoping you could say a few words about somebody you worked with who we lost recently, but you worked with Bob Makkowitz senior. Yeah, loved Bob. Would you share some words about him? He's the the FOTM got

away because his son was on the program and we we tried to get bob uh... macko senior any took a polite pass but uh... what can you say about macko late nineteen eighty seven i sent to one of seven uh... tape on audition tape to try to get a big there and uh... an arctic and i tried two years ago and they actually give me a offer but i don't need to accept the job with project andifax. So now it's my second round of trying to get in to Q and I was working with my dad's shop. I was building kitchen cabinets, kind of a between gigs gig. Sure. And my dad came out to the shop and he said, Jeff, line

two Bob McGoetz. And he had a big smile because he was well aware of my affinity for Bob. I mean that's the reason I got into radio in the first place was the influence of Bob MacKowicz. I loved his on-air presentation, I loved his passion, I loved his knowledge, just loved the way he sounded on the radio and the best. There wouldn't have been a derringer without a MacO because he was a mentor for all of us. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? It's a good thing. Specific to being a radio music freak that we all are. But Bob said, come on in, I wanna talk to you about.

And so this is the thing that he said that makes my heart most warm. He said, Jeff, you remind me of me, and I'd like to hire you to work at Q107. And the gig he offered me included, he said, Frost, Andy, does 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. psychedelic Sunday this is 1988 yeah and it's a long show for a guy why don't you do noon to 6 and Andy can do 9 to noon so that was what I was hired for

amazing in all fronts and no Macco senior. Maybe no Jeff woods on Toronto Mike Absolutely. Yeah, Bob was the guy But I helped him clean his office out three months into my gig there because he got sick of management like we all do eventually Bob and I had a few drinks in his office because you did that back then and we packed up his office and he went home But we we crossed paths again and again and again and I have massive respect for the late Bob Macklewood, Sr. No Cleveland, no Bowie. Would you concur with Michael Williams? That's Michael Williams telling us no Cleveland, no Bowie.

We might hear more Bowie later. That's a- I don't know that reference. He's from Cleveland, Michael Williams, which is a key part of this and yeah, his he elaborated during the show, but I actually off the top. My head can't remember now exactly the origin of that phrase, but apparently and I'm not sure how true it is because before playing Cleveland, David Bowie had a hit

but in Britain, but he credits Cleveland with breaking David Bowie, but Cleveland gets credit for breaking rush and that might be more deserve it. I've had conversations of don't a helper about that one. Right. I'd go more with Cleveland and and it's just name Alan Freed right right right. All right. We're going to kick out another one here, loving this very much here, but in the news lately is a lot of sad news about chorus radio stations and not just the radio by the way but the news stations as well and television but chorus in in serious financial trouble I

don't know what do you own any chorus stock no I sold when it was $25 this year good for you yeah because a lot of people held on and now it's whatever it's penny stock now, but you know just rumors They could declare bankruptcy at some point but a lot of cuts are I don't know if you are friends with him But a good friend of this program Bob will let he was working He was a program director for the Kingston stations that thing will bingo Bob. I like Bobby's been a good man to me Well, bingo Bob is he got let go he was a canary in the coal mine over there, because then they cleared house. Like there is no, I don't think there is anybody working at Kingston radio stations anymore, and the same can be

said for Peterborough and other stations, but I'm just wondering that on the sidelines here, what you think about the fact that your old stomping grounds are cutting costs like it's their job. It's not shocking. The last chapter in my book, Radio Records and Rockstars, I interview John Paracall. It's not shocking the last chapter in my book radio records and rock stars I interview John paracall who is one of the brightest minds in radio and not just radio, but he consulted for Nike and VH 1 and q107 and all the others and he put it quite succinctly the problem with corporate radio Is that all these big media companies in there in their frenzy, feeding frenzy to own everything went into a lot of debt. Eventually the thing with debt is you got to pay it back. Right.

And that's, that's, that's essentially the problem with most corporate structures is they owe a lot of money and they got it cheap when they got it cheap. And it's not so cheap anymore because the rates fluctuate. So, uh, they're like, how do we how do we we can't save our way to prosperity we better sell all this stuff. Shut it down and a lot of good people though have to lose their their livelihood in the process. Yeah you know what and it's it is so difficult for people when they have bills to pay

kids to feed. I feel for everyone who's lost their jobs. Here's another By Jam. I want to see what I can find. Talk it, it's a bottle of wine. When it feels broken. Take it, she's so easy to like. Even I know what is broken. Rock boys, don't walk away. Remember you were talking about alpha males and machos. Not a word is spoken. Rough Boys! Don't walk away! I feel pretty please here.

Talking about alpha males and macho. Oh yeah, outside we were talking about that. Here's a story from a story. Talking to Craig Venn about the Bing by Kickstarter yesterday, the day before. He said that when this came out in 1980. Rough Boys. Yeah, the DJs on a certain Toronto radio station, they were all in the room at the same time having a little party talking about how Kowsend was gay or bi and

they all made jokes and laughed for an hour like the toxic males that they were. And of all the people in the room, numbers tell us that at least a couple of those guys were bi or gay. And yet they all sort of jumped on the bandwagon of having to make fun of a thing because they hadn't grown up yet really. Well, I was in schoolyards in the 80s because I was in primary school. And I think the first go-to insult you'd hurl at somebody is, that's gay or you're gay. That was the go-to insult. Yeah. And when the other one is a word that starts with C and ends with E-R.

Yes, 100%. Right? That was the number one word that people threw at each other. Boys, boys from boys. You're talking a lot about cock suckers and I get the feeling that maybe you've thought about it a lot Yeah, that one and it's just I think I will say two nights ago. I'm flipping channels and I Encounter on one of the the movie channels. I have I guess one of the crave channels is they're air year old virgin. Okay. So it's like one of those movies where if I flip by it, I like watch for a while, but there is a scene there, a video game scene of Seth Rogen and Paul Rudd's

characters. I think they're playing a video game and they're going back and forth with basically insulting each other by why they're gay or how they're gay or whatever. Like that's the big insult was. And I was thinking this doesn't age well at all. And we're not going back to the 80s with that one. You don't have to go back very far in these comedies we all loved and watched where the punchline is something to the effect of you do this, therefore you are gay.

Like that is the insult. There's a chapter in the book, me thinks thou protest too much. And I think we're finally at a point. I think you get some credit for this as well in the book, Me Thinks Thou Protests Too Much. And I think we're finally at a point, I think you get some credit for this as well, because of you coming out as a proud bi man, that no judgements here. You're ink stained, literally. You got so many tattoos, you're riding your motorcycle, you're listening to rock and roll,

you've got that voice, you're a cool guy, and you, yes, 20% of your sexual adventures are with men, and you love it, and I think that's gonna help remove the stigma, people like you coming out like that. Thank you, this is super kind. And I can't wait to read this book. I think you're gonna really like it. Well, so it's 90%, 80% nonfiction. My first book was all nonfiction

But the other 20 ish percent is erotic stories Some based in in truth the names are that's why I wanted a couple of pages tissues The stories are a lot of fun And and then there are some of them are hetero and some of them are bi and some of them are two guys and a girl Some of them are two girls and a guy and some of them are a room full of people with no clothes on which is fun. Wow. Wow. Am I in this book at all? Is there any Toronto Mike in this book? There is a

mention of Toronto Mike and the fact that in 2018 I was on your podcast and came out publicly. Okay so let's not bury the lead here Jeff. So FOTM's who are listening crowdfunded this book There's literally a mention about Jeff coming out on Toronto mic. I think that's awesome. You you acknowledge that how appropriate right? I want an autograph copy I want you to personally deliver it and then I want that phone call at night to to say good night Maybe with a story or two. Okay, the last part of costume, you know when I was thinking okay I thought of a rough trade and the other song that instantly came in my head

when we decided you'd be kicking out By Jams is this song. And of course I didn't influence any of these songs, but here it is, very glad to hear it. It's so good. Yeah. This could have been 1982, but it wasn't. It was the early 90s. Right. Just the new wave sound I love so much

Streets like a jungle They call the police Following the herd Down to grace On holidays, lovevin' the nineties Is paranoid On sunny beaches Take your chances Looking for girls who are boys, who like boys

Who think girls who think boys Are their girls, who take girls on their boys Always should be someone you really love Girls who are boys who are boys who take girls on their boys She had Damon Albanspin, Blur. A great by Jan. You know for the cover of the British single for that song they used to An image of directs condoms how appropriate Beautiful said it was about tacky nightclubs basically and all these blokes and all these girls

meeting at the watering hole and copulating There's no morality involved or There shouldn't be people being people. People being people that's what it's all about. A couple more radio questions here. You can't dodge all my radio bullets so we talked about Chorus and the cuts. Now no dodging from Jeff Woods but we talked about these cuts. What is interesting is this morning they launched a new radio station.

Chorus owns it of course. A new radio station in Calgary and it is the Edge. So they have taken the Edge 102.1, which we... It's comedy. This is all comedy. And now there's Edge in comedy. It's in Calgary. Now, what are your thoughts on that?

I mean, is that the... This is just going to be... What you write out of ideas, you recycle old ones. What's cheaper that way? Well, Q10... The Kick in Calgary years ago, one of the stations I applied to in the 80s when I got into radio, KIK FM in Calgary, it was like an old school rock station right? Much like Q in Toronto. KIK became a number of things, but it became Q107 Calgary because they ran out of ideas. And what they didn't realize and what they never

realize is there is a very different East-West complexion Nobody in Calgary gives a fuck about Especially in Vancouver, but nobody in Calgary to gives a fuck about the East politically or societally So q107 didn't really work. They brought me out to make it work, and I did my best But you know they're just recycling ideas and stuffing them, stuffing the square peg into the round hole in other markets. So is Edge gonna have an affinity? Are people gonna have an affinity for the Edge, which is a Toronto brand in Calgary?

No. There you go. But it's cheaper for chorus, right? Because it's the same look. Well you don't have to thank you. You just have to go, why don't we do that over there? Now that is an interesting point you make, but like I always wonder, so in Toronto at our rock, our Q&A 7, we hear a lot of Max Webster, okay?

Which I love. Which I love too, because I'm born and raised in Toronto, you're from Oshawa here. What about out west, do they give a fuck about Max Webster out west? Only if you're from Ontario, right? Right, and then there's bands I hear about, and geez, if you named one, I'd tell you, but I'll hear about a band and Hey, but but Kim this just to wrap that Kim Kim's known nationally is Kim Mitchell and then there's an affinity for him from coast To coast I just but Max was not very specifically Ontario band. Let's face it very interesting and there's a Street Heart for example

I'm thinking of bands that and they transcended their And they transcended their western roots. Toronto was huge on Street Heart. Those records were big. Okay, so you're here to educate me. I always feel like that wasn't as big here, but I'm 10 years younger than you, so maybe I missed a lot of the Street Heart. When Street Heart did Action,

and they covered Stones Under My Thumb, those were high rotation songs in Toronto. Big jams here. Okay, do they give a fuck about the spoons at West? The hits mattered and largely because of Much Music, the national station, right? So somewhat. Bridgen is all in this country, Much Music. And that's sad too, there is no Much Music now. Yeah, I loved it. Remember JD Roberts came on my little radio show in

Halifax and when the beginning of Much Music and he was a heck of a musical mind and a sweetheart. New music and he was the first VJ well he's tied for the first VJ with Christopher Ward right who penned many an Atlanta Miles hit. Did you know Atlanta Miles his real name is Atlanta Biles? That I did not know. Stick with me Jeff I've got some things for you. So we are on our penultimate jam now. Now I mentioned there's an artist that gets played three times. I teased that off the top. Well, no artist has been played twice yet, so people will have to do the math themselves. But let's get into your penultimate jam.

Can I have more questions? I loved when he played acoustic like this. I just really need you, always need to meet you You're always on the strong page of life, it's good as it's not Oh Lordy, oh Lordy, you know I need you, love me, or move me, or hug me I'm only dancing, she turns me on But I'm only dancing, she turns me on Don't get me wrong, I'm only dancing 1972, that's when David Bowie started outing himself as bisexual in Melody Maker in England in the rag. Jeff, I'm only dancing, that's what it should have been.

David said that was his attempt at writing a bisexual anthem. And it's a penultimate jam here, more Bowie here. Love it. Best one still to come. Best one. We'll save the best for last. A couple more annoying questions from your host, Toronto Mike. Please, Mike. So we talked about Macco Sr. passing and you said some eloquent, lovely words about Bob Macco Sr. So when Bob Macco was the program director at the Fan 590, Derringer's in the story too, but we'll put Daringer aside because I want to

talk about the the overnight show called The Game and on this show was his son Bob Jr. Bob Jr. and Bob Jr.'s good friends Strombo and Jeff Merrick. Yes. Okay. So think about this moment in time where, hey, you know, this station, you can do an overnight show and you can cut your teeth and people like Jim Richards and Elliot Freeman and a whole bunch of interesting people we all know today. Jim Richard should have you on to talk about being by. That's a great point. I've gone on this show a couple of times. Well, he's got the afternoon drive now at 1010 and I bet you he'd love that convo. Have you reached out? I should reach out after this. Jim Richards if you're listening, Toronto Mike says put Jeff Woods on the afternoon drive to talk about being by, especially if only nine days left. Let's get this done.

Okay. Great. Take a note. So Jeff Merrick though, I have had more notes in the past week or so, I've had more notes about what happened to Jeff Merrick. And I don't know. See, I do know, but I'm not putting it in public. But bottom line is, Jeff's okay. I literally texted with him yesterday. He's going to be fine. It's unfortunate that he no longer has this job

he had for many years, and he was very, by all accounts, he was very good at this job and beloved, if you will. Talking hockey on television, correct? On radio and television, so there's both components. And podcast as well, of course, because he was the cohost of 32 Thoughts with Elliot Friedman, which is a very popular, it helps when your podcast is advertised

on Saturday night Leafs Habs games on Hockey Night in Canada. Like you don't tune in to see Leafs and Habs on a Saturday night and see Toronto Mike to go to trontomike.com and subscribe today but but but thirty two thoughts are very well promoted and very well listened podcast about hockey and there will be no more Jeff Merrick on thirty two thoughts. He's no longer with Rogers, so I'm just here to say Jeff Merrick, one of the great Toronto Mike guests at the end of the show. I was wrapping up and he's like no man. I

want to hear some real statics and shoot the breeze for a little longer. So literally we went. It was the longest episode at the time. We just listened to like Real statics and talked for for a long long time Jeff Merrick great episode episode 74 if I remember correctly I love the real statics and Jeff's always been a good fellow to me. Yeah, Jeff Merrick is a good guy It's been good to me too And I would often book him on humble and Fred because he got his started in a sense He got he's on doing his live audio wrestling, but he was like the news guy on humble and Fred show

on Mojo radio. So it's like, those guys go way back, but Merrick no longer at Sportsnet and he's going to be okay. Cause he's Jeff Merrick and just, just wanted to throw it into the universe. Cause it kind of connects to everything with Macco senior that Merrick's a good guy. There's always a transition right when you lose a gig and it feels really strange for quite a while it varies depending on

what your other opportunities are but invariably if we are fortunate and if you have a positive mental attitude there's a day that comes where you say I'm really glad that happened or it wouldn't have allowed for this thing. You make lemonade, right? Life gives you lemons, Jeff, you make lemonade. Or fuck those lemons. No, you make- Fuck the shit out of those lemons. You paint that shit gold, right?

So, you ever fucked a lemon, Jeff? No, not lately. The acid's, it's not good. Don't fuck a lemon, stick to the pies. American pie. I saw the follow- to American American pie too. I guess just a couple of weeks ago on Netflix and it was actually worthwhile.

It was funny. It was a good follow up. What's Jason Biggs doing these days? That's what I want to know. I can't imagine. But okay. So much love to Jeff Merrick, a good FOTM who, you know, he'll lick his wounds, he'll recollect, you know,

and then he'll, he'll find something. And then you, like you said, he'll look back and say that was the best thing that ever happened to me. This is how it all works for all of us. I think so. Now one more quick note on Radio Front is your ex. Now that doesn't narrow it down very much, John. How many exes do you have?

A five, four ex-wives and five ex-fiancés. Okay, that's okay. Did Colleen Rushfilm ever make the cut as a fiancee? Or no, I never saw she did indeed. Yeah, and she married the names of these. She ended up Mary Colleen and ended up marrying another Jeff after we stopped. We stopped and then she dated him and then we got engaged and then we stopped and then she went with that guy again and she married him and they still owns a barber shop

Rodgun and barber, so, you know your shit. Okay, so calling rush home who were talking about And this is like I mentioned Bob will let being a bit of the canary in the chorus coal mine because he gets let go And then months later the whole station has gone all of the stations in Kingston are gone But calling rush home was sort of a head of it. Like she was a part of a two-person team in Ottawa But Colleen Rushall was sort of a head of it like she was a part of a two-person team in Ottawa Working for chorus on a boom. That's very confusing. Yeah with Tim Morgan I really liked that show but I think a lot of these two-person shows This summer and you know Colleen a little head of the curve there are becoming one-person shows Simply for cost reduction reasons course is cutting a lot of salary, cutting a lot of bodies.

Colleen spun this, and again, Colleen will come on Toronto Mic at some point to speak for herself, but this was spun in the press releases by Corus as Colleen Rush, who is not much older than me, is younger than you, full of life, vibrancy, wonderful radio personality, but Colleen suddenly retiring from radio. Okay? So it's like she retired and this is how it will officially go down into the history books until she corrects the public record. I haven't talked to her in a while, but clearly this is possible though. One of the challenges a lot of morning

people have, and she and I talked about it, you know, at length because we live together for a few years, that you never, you never she said Jeff you never get used to getting up at that time of morning and for her it was 3 30 ish for never later than four because she was at the station at five right and on the air at six or earlier and I suspect she's really happy to not get up anymore that might be true but it is a wild coincidence that this happened in the same summer when all across the country, two person morning shows at chorus are becoming one person more. Yeah, they're saving money. If you're paying if you're paying three hundred or four hundred grand for two

people to do a job and you can pay half of that and then half that maybe because you know what you're fortunate to have your job still here's here's less money and it's it's it's under the guise of restructuring which is the only way they can you know make that happen again? Colleen will come on and speak for herself because I don't have any insight into this but it is possible. They said to her Will you accept this exit package and she said I? Would like an exit package to not wake up at 330 a.m And to come back home to Toronto, because she was on the air in Ottawa,

and her husband, of course, lives and works in Toronto. And it's possible that both are true. Like, this is a cost-cutting by chorus, and it is her choosing to retire from radio. And she probably said, put another zero on that, and that might look like a better exit package, right? Hey, now. You know, the thing that radio... like a better exit package right? Hey now, how's your exit package?

The thing that radio does that I least like in a fairly long list and I don't mean radio as a medium, I mean radio management as an entity is they pressure people because people don't know, here's your package, sign it within five days or and they and they give you the impression that if you don't Sign it you're not gonna get anything. It's complete. I'm gonna bullshit. Just hold on to that package kid an entertainment lawyer and and and you'll probably do better that is amazing advice and Just wanted to say calling great radio personality in this market forever And was recently in Ottawa and no longer on the radio and I think that that's another example of radio not as being a shadow of this for myself that great

people like Colleen Rusholme are no longer heard on it. She's amazing you know what you know what I got for you because I know you love going back to an episode and referencing it. So when Colleen's here eventually you can pull out this little sound bite. So here's what happened. So years ago when she and I split up and I went out west with another girl and ended up marrying another girl,

she, you know, and rightly so resented me beyond belief. And that was like 2003. And fast forward to 2007, and now that relationship that I went to was over. She called me and she said, I forgive you for leaving and blowing this thing up that we had. I completely forgive you and I understand. And I was thrilled, right? So we became friends again. And we saw each other at a couple, we saw each other at Pat Cardinal's celebration of life for example and we got along famously. And she was with Jeff, her now husband then.

It was lovely. And then weirdly, about six months ago, I went to look on Tim and Colleen's page, the chorus radio station morning show page and they'd blocked me from it. Tim, not Tim, I think it was her, because she and they blocked me from it Tim not Tim I think it was her because she'd also blocked me on her Instagram, which was odd. I was quite supportive of their show because I liked it and So I texted her I said was it something I said I Think she blocked me on phone too, and we never had a bad word like for decades

We considered each other friends like happy birthday texts, you know that kind of thing that we do with exes. And I've never heard from her as a follow up. But she gets these, you know, people, people gossip. Maybe she got some erroneous information and has this new thing that she's upset at me about. She knew that I was bi and she was okay with that Her dad's gay and she's always been open about that, but she had a real sensitivity towards being with a guy who might in That's Fred Patterson by the way might it Freddy's the best she had a sensitivity around like because her dad left her mom because he was he was gay

or by well, I'm going to ask Colleen. It's a lot, isn't it? What's going on here because wonderful? You guys should be friends. One of my favorite broadcasters, one of my favorite humans. She's one of the funniest people in every room and whatever I did or whatever you think I did, I'm sorry if it was offensive. It's funny that that was Fred Patterson, who I should have turned off my ringer, my apology. But it was funny that was Fred Patterson calling

because other than Fred Patterson, Colleen Rusholm is the most frequent radio partner that Humble Howard ever had. Oh wow, yeah. Right, because they were on Boom and Easy Rock. They were good together. They were good together, absolutely. And Stu Jeffries, Long May He were on Boom and Easy Rock. They were good together. They were good together. Absolutely.

And Stu Jeffries, Long May He Rock on Boom, still doing Mornings, who was Colleen's other long time radio partner. She's had a few. And Big D was another one of them. Look at that. OK, well, Colleen, let's, if I can patch things up between you and find out what's going on. Maybe she got some bad intelligence from somebody. But probably. Gosh. Wow. OK, one more jam to go. You ready, Jeff? I'm ready.

Oh, Mr. Three time I jam man Nothing stands in your way when you're a boy Clothes always fit you, life is a pop of the cherry When you're a boy When you're a boy You can wear a uniform When you're a boy Other boys can wear a uniform When you're a boy, other boys check you out You get a girl, you say your favorite things When you're a boy Boys

Boys Boys, boys, boys keep swinging, boys always work it out. And keep the color, boys keep swinging, unfold the flag. 1979 the Lodger record from David. He said it was a song full of irony and indeed it was. Funny guy, right? Amazing. Amazing. David Bowie appeared three times in our By Jams here. Again, people can Google it, but Jeff Woods, Being By is the name of the book he's almost done this book I'm in his book I wonder if I'll make any of these fantasy stories but that's that's as interesting you pointed out I mean whether you're gay or whether you're by there's a lot of people that are like here's one oh I don't care if they're gay as long as they don't touch me. How many times have we heard that cliche in the world? We have something called gaydar and then

and there's another one, an update called by fi. Is that like gaydar? Okay, so tell me, am I by well, no, it's more of a an energy feeling. I know I know that you're not because you don't, you know, I'm not giving you that you're not because you don't you know I'm not giving you that energy no you disappoint me on some level well sorry the big thing is because we have Gator on bi-fi no one wants to touch you there's there's there's a sense people understand people aren't trying to get with the straight guy right like you know what is it trying who is it who is trying to get somebody to change teams or something?

Is that Seinfeld episode? Probably. Sounds about right. And then like no one knows their equipment better. Like I said, if you can't compete, no one knows your equipment better than they do. Jeff loved this very much, man. Kicking out the By Jams. And I love that we had three David Bowie songs and we we covered a lot of radio, we talked, and again,

so your show, Records and Rockstars, is it on The Rock in Oshawa? It is, yeah. So that would be like the place you could hear it if you live in Toronto and you're looking to hear some Jeff Woods. Yeah, 94.9 The Rock out of Oshawa, the UTS Rock station. They do a really, Doug Elliott's the program director, one of the smartest guys I worked with in radio. There's still a couple of them left, he's one of them. So yeah, Saturdays at 6 p.m. I do records and rock stars and then Sundays noon to 6 I do a whole afternoon. Kind of modeled after psych Sunday but it's a little broader than that.

Have you heard from Andy Frost lately? Nobody. I heard from him through a friend who said Andy says hi and and high back. And his son's an NHLers, so maybe he's yeah, but but but but he his episode of Toronto Mike was fantastic and I love doing my Andy Frost impression. It's quite something. And Scholes does a good one, too. Did you have John Scholes on couple of times? Absolutely. His frost is great.

Speaking of employment lawyers, I feel like Skolls works closely with an employment lawyer. I see him sometimes on CP 24 talking up there and I feel like that gig belonged to my good friend Dana Levinson and then you can't compete with Skolls. Yeah, he came in and took that. Shout out to Dana Levinson, big Madonna fan there. She's a beauty. Good chat with her yesterday actually. It's funny on the Good chat with her yesterday actually. It's funny on the same, I heard from a bunch of people yesterday, I hadn't heard from in a long time, Dana Levinson, I heard from Mary Jo Eustace who gave me the big news that she's going to be on the new season of a Canadian show called Traters, not Traders, but Traders.

This is like a world, a show that's in different markets or whatever that people seem to enjoy and then the new season of Traders, but but will feature Mary Jo Eustis and that's exciting I think more news on that in September I hope I didn't spill the tea on that one but Jeff would speaking of spilling the tea you're amazing don't forget your beer I got your lasagna and thanks for coming by and kicking out the buy jams good luck with being by thank you for the support of the being by Kickstarter on now but only till the 10th of August. Time is running out. Do it now or Jeff doesn't get any of that money. So we got it. We got to

make this happen in the next nine days. And that brings us to the end of our 1528th show. You can follow me on Twitter and Blue Sky all over the place actually at Toronto Mike go to Toronto Mike calm Much love to all who made this possible. That's Great Lakes Brewery Palma pasta Recycle my electronics dot CA the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball team drop by Sunday 2 p.m. Christie Pitts no ticket required jump on on the mic, say hi, have a dog, hot dog

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And they're brokering stocks, the class struggle explodes And I'll play this guitar just the best that I can Maybe I'm not and maybe I am But who gives a damn because Everything is coming out rosy and gray Yeah the wind is cold but the smell of snow warms me today And your smile is fine and it's just like mine and it won't go away