Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Toronto Mike'd #29

Episode Date: March 25, 2013

Rosie and Mike chat about their favourite documentaries, my home ownership dilemma, breast reduction surgery and the future of watches.

Welcome to the 29th episode of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything, often with a distinctly Toronto flavour. I'm Mike from torontomic.com. Joining me as always is Rosie from mytorontoscoop.com. And hosting this audio file are the good people at Core Fusion. Hey, Rose. Hey, Rose. Hey, Mike. Do you know nine and a half years ago, we were 29? Is that right? That sounds about...

No. Wait. Yes, that's correct. You are correct. Nine and... What does that mean? Oh, I get it because this is episode 29. Just made me think about being 29.

I still feel 29, but I'm not. What does 29 feel like? Because when I was 29, I felt like I was 39. And now that I'm 39, I feel like I'm 29. Well, you know what? That would probably make sense because when I was 29, I had just bought my house and I was getting married. And so you're having a year like that.

So that's why you feel 29. Oh, that does make sense. Because I will talk more about buying a house. But I am definitely getting married because I rented a tux. I know. It's funny because it just hit me because a couple of weeks is April. And I'm like, Mike's getting married soon. It's April, then May, then May then June yeah less than three

months from now it's nice I have uh I have um I haven't you know everyone's kind of getting uh getting old so I haven't had a wedding to go to in a while so I'm really looking forward to it yeah no one invites me to their wedding so I'm in the same boat Rose you have to have your own if I want a wedding I gotta yeah basically if I want to go to a wedding, I got to get married. What else happened in the wedding front? Monica is doing her own invitations and she's doing her own decorations that go on a table. What's that called? Centerpiece.

Centerpiece. And she's doing her own. I can't wait to see them. Pillow that a ring goes on. What's that called? I don't know. Ring pillow. Sheow that a ring goes on. What's that called? Ring pillow. She's doing her, she sews and stuff. I see a sewing machine.

In one corner of this big room, there's a podcast studio. And in the other corner, there's a sewing studio. I so admire that Monica can sew. To me, it's so impressive women that can work, or men, that can work a sewing machine. It's amazing. She's making drapes here. She made drapes for my brother's apartment that he's moving into on Saturday.

And yeah, she makes these drapes and they look like $1,000 drapes. It's like $80 of material. Window coverings. Is that what they're called, Rose? I don't know what anything's called. It's just a fancy way of saying drapes. Rose, I'm looking at you right now. Yes. And you don't appear to be wearing a watch. No, that is a hair elastic. I pulled up my sleeve and we both did a

double take because there's something on her wrist. It is a hair elastic, not a watch. Can you please tell me, do you ever wear a watch? Do you own a watch? Tell me about you and watches. Okay, I do not wear a watch. When I was younger and first working, I did wear a watch because, believe it or not, I didn't have a cell phone in those days. And I actually found that having a watch was helpful. But I find watches tend to make my skin irritated. So I always prefer not to wear one. And then once I got a cell phone, I always had the time on my cell phone. So I stopped wearing

it. I don't really wear a lot of jewelry. So last summer, Scott's mom bought me this really, really cute white watch. And it was so cute. So I wore it. But as a rule, like I don't, I don't wear a watch. So you don't wear a watch? No. Okay. I don't wear a watch. I haven't worn a watch since I was a teenager. My brother, you might not have listened to episode 27 that I did with my brother.

Did you listen? He wanted to know if you listened. I listened to the beginning and then my... And you bailed. Boring, you did tears. No, I just wanted to hear you guys together. The problem is that we were actually, Mike and I were just talking about this. I wish I could listen to podcasts in my car.

I would have so much more time, but I don't have it set up. So I have to listen at home and it's with my little guy. He doesn't really let me do anything that isn't related to Thomas the Tank. I can imagine. So he has a vivid memory of me in high school. He thinks it was like grade 11 and he was in grade nine. But his vivid memory is

I had a physical fight with, do you remember Simon Grahn? Are we allowed to use names on the show? Oh my gosh. Are we allowed to have names? Yeah. Do you remember Simon Grahn? I totally remember him.

That is a name I've not thought of in like 20 years. That is ridiculous. Yeah. So we were talking and you got to go back and listen to 27. We're talking. He's got some memories. Apparently some people wanted to beat me up at Power. And when he came to Power.

Who would want to beat you up? You're like so harmless. I know. To you I was harmless. Why did I miss this? So I guess when he showed up at Michael Power in grade nine, he had to fight some battles that were like leftovers. Like he had to deal with-

Battles? There's a Game of Thrones? Yeah. I don't understand that reference, Rose. Don't spoil that. Because when they wind up that series, I'm going to go from A to Z. Scott's just like diving into it.

No, I got to wait for it to finish. Okay. So long story short is he remembers I had a swatch watch and I had a fight with Simon Grant. And long story short is he remembers I had a swatch watch and I had a fight with Simon Grom and he says all he remembers is after the fight

which I guess brutal like he found it You had a fight? Yeah. I'm sorry. I know you're talking about watches. We can't go into

too much details but the bottom line is he doesn't he was surprised at how the only detail I was concerned about after this fight he witnessed

was that I actually smashed my swatch watch on Simon Grom's cheekbone. Anyway. So you don't like Simon Grun. He listens, you know. I don't. No, I have no idea where he is. I have no recollection of whether or not I liked him or not.

Can you listen to podcasts in jail, Rose? I think you can. You can get degrees in jail. So you can stream internet in jail. You have Wi-Fi. Hell yeah, I'm sure you can. I mean, I don't know for sure, but...

Free Wi-Fi. I gotta tell you that new jail they're building in South Tobacco. The one they don't have enough guards to watch? Like, they can't open it because there's no guards. It's beautiful.

Honestly, it is the most gorgeous building ever. It is so lovely. Anyways, I'm sure in that jail you can listen to podcasts. Okay, so I just wondered. So did you win the fight? I don't remember

any of that detail. I don't know if I won the fight or not, but I lost my watch in it. So I haven't had a watch since, but fight? I don't remember any of that detail. I don't know if I won the fight or not, but I lost my watch in it. So I haven't had a watch since, but not because I was traumatized by that, but because I stopped liking the feeling of having things on my body.

Like I didn't like jewelry, no jewelry. Like I just wanted, I took out the earring. I stopped wearing the watch. Even when I was married for many years during that period there was long times where I had no ring I didn't like it restricting me so today I have nothing

and I don't wear a watch but I wondered if you wore a watch because Apple and Samsung and all I'm hearing out of the technology world is that they're building watches watches are going to be the next big thing I guess you'll have it'll be like you'll have access to email

and texting and all your exciting stuff on your wristwatch. I could see that being popular because people do wear watches. Watches are a pretty popular fashion accessory. I know a lot of people that wear a watch. And I think if you can combine a watch with technology, I could see that. I could see that working. So essentially you'd move your iPhone to the watch, your iWatch. Yeah, I could see it. And you wouldn't have to have an iPhone because you could do it on the watch. The thing is...

Like Dick Tracy. You know, personally, you know, for me, a watch is like jewelry. Like if I wear it, it's because it's like a pretty bracelet or something that accents, uh, an outfit. Um, so I don't know, it'd have to be pretty cute for me to want to wear it every day. I could see it more. I don't know if,

um, if, yeah, if you wore a watch every single day and it worked with, with all your outfits. So will it have Pac-Man on it? Cause the coolest kid in grade four or whatever had a Pac-Man watch. Um,

I don't know, but I used to love Pac-Man. Pac-Man was good. He's good taste. You have good taste in games, Rose. I'm still reeling that you beat up Simon Krohn. I didn't say I beat him up. I said we fought. I think it was a draw, to be honest. A draw? Yeah, I don't know. He had

a chip on his shoulder over something. I wasn't one of those guys to... At the time, I was like, you got a problem? Let's go kind of guy. If I wasn't one of those guys to, at the time I was like, oh, you got a problem? Let's go kind of guy. If you're listening, Simon Grahn, rematch episode 30. Fine, I'm up for it,

but I don't have a watch to break, so let's go for it. Sorry, Rose. I wanted to play some Twisted Sister. That's cool. Because I watched Rock of Ages last week, and they featured this song. A bunch of 80s rock songs are in that.

Like a lot of mid-80s, I'd say. Mid to late 80s. So that's kind of cool, because I was listening to a lot of rock in the mid to late 80s, and I enjoyed the show. I thought it was really cool. So you got good tunes and we had good seats. And it was a good time. So I don't even know if Rock of Ages is still at the Sony Center.

It might have moved on already, but it was pretty cool. I know that I didn't see the movie, but Tom Cruise was in it. I don't know how greatly reviewed it was but i thought it looked kind of fun well i it was so fun neither of us have seen this movie with tom cruise singing guns and roses i heard it's a different plot line like the movie is darker than the i guess in theater everything was happy-go-lucky at the end everything works out but maybe not so much in the movie but i kept i heard that Tom Cruise sang Sweet Child of Mine in the movie. And in the play, there's no Sweet Child of Mine.

It must have just been that he wanted to sing it. So they licensed different songs anyways. I don't know. But it was cool. The tunes were really good. Oh, that's great. Yes. And I wanted to ask you, Rose, if you've ever considered,

and I'm only asking this because you're a well-endowed woman. Did you ever consider breast reduction surgery? Did you ever have back problems because of your boobage? It really came out of nowhere. Yeah. My segues are, I'm not going to do any segues. That's a new thing I'm going to do. No segues.

No. And I don't, I mean. Because you don't need to reduce your breasts. I think I'm finely proportioned. Surgery never really crossed my mind. Oh, because you don't need it. You know, I don't really, I think I'm finely proportioned. I don't, surgery never really crossed my mind. Oh, because you don't need it. You're not, no back pain. No.

And you don't need to change the aesthetics because you're happy with how things look. Things are good. Yeah. All right. I'm not saying you need breast reduction surgery. No. I don't know. You'd have to really.

I know. I know. Have some issues, I think. Is that right? Because this is where I'm going. I'm going somewhere with this. So I do know in my life, yeah, I'm not just randomly telling you you need breast reduction surgery. God, no, I'm against it in principle.

But some women I know have had back conditions and stuff and they needed to do breast reduction because of chronic backache. I've heard this. This is like a medical reason they might do it. Okay. But my friend and your friend and our friend Freddie P. from Humble and Fred just went under the knife last week to have breast reduction surgery. His man boobs. His man boobs.

So he's a man. So he didn't have a bad condition or anything like that. He didn't like how it looked. So for pure aesthetic reasons, he had breast reduction surgery. So I was just wondering, he seemed to be fine the next day. It didn't seem like it was a big deal. Day surgery thing. He's out and then you see him the next day.

He was back in the podcast two days later or something. I just wondered what you think about breast reduction surgery. Men or women that isn't because of back pain? I guess if he didn't feel good about himself and that's going to make him feel good about himself, why not? So now when you see Freddie peed out, he'll likely not be wearing a shirt.

Because if I'm going to get pectoral implants, I'm never wearing a shirt again. You know what I mean? I think if someone is thinking about embarking on surgery, obviously it's been something that's affected their self-esteem for a while. And he's not single. He's married to a woman for a long time who he plans to be married to for the rest of his life. So it's not to, like, get chicks or whatever.

Yeah, and then it's, you know, obviously something that bothered him. And if it makes him feel better, I mean, I think that's the case with any, you know, cosmetic surgery. If it's going to improve your self-esteem and it's safe and, you know, and you have the time and the money, why not? Okay, so do I have your okay to get pectoral implants? I've been working on it with swimming since Thanksgiving. And, you know, I have some definition there now, but I'm thinking I need those, like, big plates. Well, it's funny because I think what people don't know, and I only know this because I worked summers for a plastic surgeon

when I was in university, implants of any kind, particularly ones in the chest, I don't know about pectoral implants for men, but breast implants for women are extremely painful. The recovery is, it's outrageous. Every single woman afterwards said to me, I had no idea it was going to hurt. So it's easy to reduce, but hard to add. Well, I have no idea about reduction, what that's like, but putting the implant in a foreign substance in your

body and then your body reacts to it by building scar tissue up around it, which needs to be massaged so it doesn't get hard. There's a lot of stuff that people don't know. Rose, you talked me out of it. I am not getting it done. I'm not going under the knife unnecessarily. Just lift some weights. That sounds like

a better idea. Sounds incredibly boring. Rose, do you... When I wrote about Google Reader being discontinued, so Google Reader is an RSS reader that I believe you use because you mentioned you were going to miss it. I did, yeah. I do. I stopped. Well, it's here until July 1.

When things get discontinued, I stop them immediately. It makes me mad. Like iGoogle. You got to move on. Yeah. I was so mad about iGoogle. They took away iGoogle, which I never used, but it sounds like you used. I loved it.

Sure. And then they took away now Google Reader. Yes. So I've been playing with alternatives, and there's one I quite like to a point where I think it might be even a little better than Google Reader. It's quite good, and it works on my Android device. And it works on my laptop and my desktop. And it all synchronizes.

And it's called Feedly. F-E-E-D-L-Y. And have you had a chance to try alternatives? I have not. I'm just missing things every day. Oh, I can't afford to miss. Because there's too many news feeds that I enjoy every day that I don't want to not read. And I can't just bookmark all these websites.

I need to see it in my reader. It's just so much more convenient for me. So I just want to let you know and our listeners know, if they try Feedly, it's a great Google reader alternative. Yeah, I think that will be the one i try um although for now the bookmarks are are okay but i did um i did like google reader i have to admit i like all the little google products how they're all um packed together but the one that i'm really enjoying that you i'm so happy you told me about because you actually saved me a lot of, um, of, uh,

time and energy is Google drive. And you know, I, I feel like no one knows about, about it. I didn't know about it. Um, and it's awesome.

It's like, it's basically Microsoft word, Excel, PowerPoint, everything like all in your, in your, in your Gmail. It's amazing.

And it's great for like, if you're sharing with someone and you can track changes and you can see what they change, and you can have one version that you both work off of instead of emailing back and forth a spreadsheet or a Word document or some crap like that.

It was so awesome. I had to do, there's a new client that I'm working, I've just attained in my copyrighted business, and I had to take an editing test and they wanted to see that I knew AP style and all that and

I wanted Scott to take a look at what I'd done and he was at work last night and it was just like, share the document and he could just take a look at it, writing within Google Drive. It's amazing. It's so handy. It's wicked because you know he has to log in as Scott to see it so you don't have to worry at it right within Google Drive. It's amazing. It's so handy. It's wicked because he has to log in as Scott to see it

so you don't have to worry about it being in the public space. It's so secure and wonderful. Anyway, that's Google Drive. And that's how we do our podcast notes, which I've just lost because I don't think I'm connected to the Wi-Fi in here. Oh, that would do it. So I will lead you down the right path.

So, by the way, it's Boontown Rat if you want the pattern. Well, someone has to come to my place and to tap in. I'll survive without them. But it's yeah, it's how Mike and I work on our podcast notes, which means, you know, we actually don't really even have to speak to each other during the week. We just work on them in Google Drive and it's awesome. And if you needed to speak to me how would you communicate with me like would you uh email me i would email you okay i'm not i'm not in the whole i don't know the instant messaging gchat thing well gchat integrates with google to me they're very they're one in the same i know but it pops up and i prefer i like email it depends if it's real time like if you need real

time i think gchat's better i know i don I don't know, though, because even, like, you reply pretty quickly. And if you don't, it's probably because you're doing something. So I don't need to, like, immediately have your attention. You know what I mean? Okay, but I'm thinking more of do you text? No, I do text. You're a big texter, right? Yes, definitely.

And I wrote recently about texting because texting is troublesome to me because texting only comes to my one device the phone which when i work at home here during the day the phone might be on the couch somewhere and i'll be working at my desk i might be listening to a podcast or tunes and i won't hear my little beep or whatever my little notification i have a text and i might not check for like four or five hours. And if you sent me anything else, pretty much anything else, like an email or a G chat, it's going to come to all my devices at the same time. So it's going to come to my computer I'm working on or my laptop or my tablet or my phone. So I always like my brother's a big texter, but sometimes I don't get these things for a long time because it's the one device. And I always ask him, why don't you send me an email? I prefer

email much more because it goes to all my devices and I can reply from whichever device I'm on. So I just wondered what your thoughts were on that. But you always have your phone on you. Well, I do. And I like texting just because it's quick and easy. And I don't know. It's fine for me.

Would you rather go a week without your phone or a week without your toothbrush? Well, I don't even think I could go a day without my toothbrush. So the answer is? Toothbrush is always going to win. Yeah, I actually agree, but it's an interesting question because would you just do a week, one week? You got to do one week where you don't brush your teeth but you get your phone it's tough to go a week without your phone you you try it yeah in the city like it's just not so it's nothing

it's apples and oranges yeah but so that's what makes it interesting because uh i thought it was an interesting question because i think a lot of people will go the week without brushing their teeth i'm gonna say no really yes oh because i wavered for a while like i considered like fuck i'll go one week one week it's not you're not gonna lose your teeth or whatever please please don't hopefully we never have to make the choice between our toothbrush and our phone but i bet you a lot more people than you think will choose to go a week without their toothbrush to get to keep their phone i think you'll be surprised how many people won't give up that phone for a week i think you're surprised i don't know ask around do me a favor ask your friends and family over

the next couple of weeks and then come back with that information i'm not gonna do that i'm that's it i'm writing a blog entry later today to ask the people i'm gonna do it i'm gonna ask on your website and then everyone can let us know on your on your site rose done you coughing over my song rose i'm still sick i'm sorry You know I'm a dreamer But my heart's a ghost Rose, I love this song. Speaking of 80s rock. Although this is the remix.

They put out some remix in 1990 or something. But it's pretty similar. So that's Home Sweet Home. So I wanted to talk about homeownership with you, Rose. But I'm too in love with this song that's playing. All right. That's a good subject. I prefer to talk about that than Freddie P's breasts.

No, I don't know. I just wondered what you thought about it as a woman. It's so much like it's just there's no need. I mean, it won't go back to the breast thing. I just wondered what you thought about it because, you know, why go under the knife if you don't have to and you're 55 or whatever and you've got a wife and kids and you're happy and there's no need to reduce your breasts

because you're not going to become a swimsuit model or something. I'm just curious. I don't know why, but now I can't get a picture of him out of my head. Anyways, home ownership. All right, so I need your help on this. Okay, so I own a house with my ex. We own a house.

With Taryn. Yeah. I've never named her on the show. So I own a house with my ex and my kids live there a lot of the time. When my goodness. So I own a show. I own a house with my ex. And my kids live there a lot of the time. When they're not here, they're there. And my ex lives there all the time.

That's the house they grew up in, right? And it's close to their school. Right. And they love it. So I don't want to, I want that to stay there for them. Of course. Of course. So I don't want to sell it is what I'm saying.

Yeah. Okay. So no selling. No selling. No selling the house. Okay. It's all good. So now I'm in an apartment that you're sitting in right now. them of course of course so i don't want to sell it is what i'm saying yeah okay so no staying no selling okay it's all good so now i'm uh i'm in an apartment that you're sitting in right now yes and rosie i was about to say rosie moved in but monica moved in right you did you move in no monica moved in february 1st so she's been here a month and a half or something yes so that's why i see her lovely sewing machine that's right the. The sewing studio. So I have a huge mortgage with the house I own with my ex.

Right. So the bank won't give me... Well, you know how that algorithm works. Like if you have too much money, oh, you don't get more money. Yeah. It's a whole algorithm thing. So I'm kind of maxed out on this bank algorithm in terms of money they'll lend me. So they've lent me all the money for the house I don't live in.

Got it. Got it? So I can't go to like TD Bank and say, give me a mortgage for 200 grand or whatever. Momonica can get a mortgage to X. Right, so a certain amount. But X won't buy the house we, because we want to live in Toronto.

Of course. So X is, yeah. We need more money than the X. So even if we save money, but you know, I have an expensive life because I support lots of homes and things. If we save money and she gets a bit of money out of this, that,

and the other, plus the mortgage that we would qualify for does not equal a house we can buy in Toronto. Does that make sense? It makes total sense. But I can easily, easily, easily make my mortgage payments and everything. But the can easily, easily, easily make my mortgage payments and everything. Like there's no, but the algorithm, I fail the algorithm because of the home I own with my ex.

No, I understand. So basically the bank is seeing you already have a huge mortgage and they're not going to give you another one. It's quite like, it's like a numbers game where when they do the math to see what money they can lend me, they realize I borrowed all the money they can lend me already. Yeah. Yeah. So we were chatting. And you guys want to buy a house, obviously.

Yeah. Like we'd like to buy a house in Toronto. We're getting married in a couple of months. And right now, there's a big rent check I cut every month. Yep. And I don't get anything out of that. This is a big apartment because you have bedrooms for your kids. Yeah, and there's a wonderful pool.

Yeah, no, it's nice. Yeah, so I pay a good rent and I don't get anything out of that because it's just rent. So why can't I put that rent towards like a mortgage and invest in a home that I could own? I know.

I'll own it with Monica. Especially because for years you did that. For years you did rent. For years you did, you know, did rent for years you did put pay down and you have equity it's just that you don't have here's the other thing so I told my ex

you can have the house I just need my name off the debt but she doesn't qualify for the debt on her own she's gone to the bank to go through that if she qualified for the debt on her own she would take the debt plus the house and I would just walk away from it all. Yeah, but how is she going to carry that by herself?

Yeah, that's right. Unless you're a pop star or an investment banker, you're not going to be able to afford to do that. Right. So she doesn't qualify for the mortgage on her own. So she needs me on the mortgage, which is why I can't get another mortgage. Right. So, thoughts, two things.

Am I SOL? Like, is that just shit out of luck? Or do I need, like, somebody to come and, like, give me, like, $150,000? What you need to do is buy a ticket to the Princess Margaret lottery. No, I won't. Come on, Ro. I'm asking you these serious questions.

My friend Jen and I, we buy every year. We split a pack. And every year, we split a pack and every year we win nothing. I wouldn't play a dollar lottery. Every year we do it. It's kind of a fun thing we do together. We imagine what would happen if we win.

I think because I actually have known people to win it. I used to work with a woman that her and her husband, they won a house. A colleague of mine, her aunt won a condo i think because i actually know people that have won it we think oh well we'll buy it but it's the only thing lottery type thing i indulge in but i've never even won so much as a crock pot or an ipod so rose do you have any viable solutions to my heart-wrenching story yeah it's well first of all, first of all, I mean, it's, you know. You're going to tell me it's a first world problem. Well, it's a problem, but I mean, it's not really, it's just the, it's a situation of

your life, right? You don't want to sell. I mean, the only real way to get out of it without, yeah, winning the lottery or somebody endowing a lot of money on you is to sell the house or Taryn needs to remarry someone who can take it on with her. And then your kids get to stay in the house and you can buy a mortgage. But as long as your name's needed on that...

So those are the only two outs. She has to make more money or get married to someone who's money or we need to sell that house. That's the only two options yeah or someone's gonna give you money all right yeah or a lot a lot of uh a lot of a lot of money because that's it so right now we're in the market without actually being able to afford anything so well then the thing is too is you actually need quite a lot of money to buy a house in toronto because

i think you guys you know you want to be you don't even want to be, you don't even want to be West Toronto, right? You want to be like more central? No, I think the house we'd buy would be between, would be between 550 and 650. Yeah. It's not that, I mean, it's certainly a lot of money, but for even with the housing market softening from what I understand, that's a lot, not a ton. You don't have any answers, Rose.

Thanks a lot. You were my last hope, Rose. I've crunched the numbers. I've racked my brain. I thought Rose will have the answer. My big help is to buy a ticket to the Princess of Africa lottery. Rose, do you watch documentaries? I do. I do.

I love documentaries. I love them. Maybe in the last couple of minutes here, I thought it would be fun to maybe we just run down some of our favorite documentaries because I love documentaries too. So I'm going to just drop some names. If anyone's listening and wants to check out these documentaries, I'm going to go quick so you're going to have to rewind

and re-listen to these. But I have a list of my favorite documentaries from the last, I don't know, 15 years or something. Dear Zachary, A Letter to a Son About His Father. Have you ever seen this? I haven't, but I hear it's wonderful. You need to see it, so see that. Dear Zachary,

The Impostor. I just saw it, and I recommend it to my brother and my mom. They love it. You've got to see The Impostor. Impostor? Alright. I just saw it and I recommend it to my brother and my mom. They love it. You've got to see The Impostor. Impostor. All right. Searching for Sugarman. Sugarman. Oh, I hear that's amazing.

See it. Okay. Because that's pretty new. Won the Oscar and it's great. Excellent. Exit Through the Gift Shop, which is about Banksy. I like that one too. Euro Dreams of Sushi.

I haven't heard of that one. There's a sushi chef in Japan, famous for his sushi, and you've got to see this documentary. Okay. Man on Wire. Guy walks a wire between the World Trade Centers. Got to see that. Capturing the Freedmen.

I'm going to say nothing about it because I want you to go on cold. Capturing the Freedmen. All right. Enron, the smartest guys in the room. That one I've seen. It was good? Did you like it? Mm. Capturing the Freedmen. All right. Enron, The Smartest Guys in the Room. That one I've seen. It was good. Did you like it? Mm-hmm.

It's very good. Hearts. Actually, I was going to say Hearts of Darkness, A Filmmaker's Apocalypse, and Gimme Shelter, but those two are actually from a little bit longer ago,

but Hearts of Darkness is pretty good and Gimme Shelter, but the last two I'll say before I hear your little list is Hoop Dreams, which I think everyone's seen by now. You've seen it? I have not. Oh, my goodness. Rosie, Hoop Dreams, which I think everyone's seen by now. You've seen it? I have not.

Oh my goodness. Rosé, Hoop Dreams! It's one of those ones where I feel like I have. See Hoop Dreams and Crumb. Robert Crumb, the cartoonist. Oh, Crumb is amazing too. Go see Crumb. Do you want to give me your list? Pass me your tablet since I X'd out of my tablet.

Since my Android device beats your Apple product. I had my list. Since my Android device beats your Apple product. I had my list up on my iPad, and then I cleared it, and then I'm not connected to the Wi-Fi here. But next time I'll have myself more organized. Actually, when I saw that you wanted to talk about documentaries, I was like, yay, because it was a fun exercise to figure out which were my favorite ones.

Good. Let's hear it. Because my brother will want to write these down, because he's always looking for a good documentary. And I want to see these too. You know what, Mike? Put them, when you post the podcast, put a list. You're so right.

I could do that. Put a list because even I'm like, I want to remember them. Go to TorontoMike.com for this list. Go ahead. All right. My favorite, or one of my favorite documentaries ever was Lake of Fire, which is, it's actually about, it's about the abortion debate, but if you ever want to see something that shows

both sides and really, really, really compelling, it's the kind of thing where afterwards, whether you're pro-choice or pro-life, you see both sides. Lake of Fire. Amazing.

Page one, Inside the New York Times. Really, really, really good one. How old is that one? I think it's about two or three years old. Okay, good. It's fairly new. And again, yeah, it's just about the New York Times, just what's happening in journalism.

And it's really, really interesting if you were following at all anything that happened with the advent of Twitter and social media and the effects they have on journalism. No Direction Home. Oh, yes. Bob Dylan. So good. I saw it.

Very good. So good. So good. Loved it. I really like music documentaries, and that was a great one. Spike Lee's documentary, When the Levees Broke, about the New Orleans tragedy.

Wow, that one was really hard to watch. It's so heartbreaking. I really recommend it. Scott was actually watching it. It was one of the ones, we call it watching by osmosis, when your partner is watching something and then you kind of

join in because it's so good. Oh, like The Apprentice. There's a lot of stuff that we watch by osmosis when your partner's watching something and then you kind of join in because it's so good. Oh, like The Apprentice. Yeah, well, I don't watch The Apprentice, but there's a lot of stuff that we watch by osmosis with each other. Rush, Beyond the Lighted Stage.

Oh, very good. It's very good. Oh my God, it's so good. Okay, really quickly before you go, that's good, but see the Anvil one too. There's one about Anvil,

which is a Toronto band. That's even better. Anvil. Awesome. I really like Michael Moore and Roger and Me, the one about... That's the first big one.

Yeah, obviously the effects of the General Motors plant closing on his hometown. Just devastating. I really like the duck because I used to do spelling bees when I was young. And I like spelling and spellbound. That was excellent. Adorable. It's a very good duck. Oh my God, adorable little spellers.

They're just amazing. That was excellent. Adorable. It's a very good documentary. Oh, my God. Adorable little spellers. They're just amazing. This one, I don't know how much it would stand the test of time if I were to go back and watch it now, but I remember at the time, I was very affected by it, An Inconvenient Truth.

Oh, the Al Gore PowerPoint. Exactly, yeah. That's one of my faves. And another Michael Moore one, Bowling for Columbine. That's a big one. It's amazing. It's amazing. I always remember the...

Manson, right? When they talked to Manson? Yes. It's just amazing stuff. That's a good one. And that's also the one where they go up. Is it the one where they walk up? It's in Toronto and the Toronto person has their door unlocked and it sort of made Toronto seem

like this really safe place. You know what? You mentioned Michael Moore. All of his are actually pretty good. Sicko is really good. So good. Oh my God. Fahrenheit 9-11 is good. I forgot about Sicko. Sicko was really good. Fahrenheit 9-11 was good.

Actually, no one ever talks about Sicko. Here I am forgetting about it. It's really good. I loved it. I also enjoyed the Enrog doc that Mike mentioned. And then one that I thought was really overrated. Let's hear it, Rose. I like to hear that too.

Well, everyone was like, you got to see this. You got to see this. It's so incredible. And everyone was talking about it. And I believe it won lots of awards. But I thought Super Size Me was really, when we finally watched it, I was like, yeah, okay. So eating lots of McDonald's makes you really sick, obviously. His follow-up documentaries are far worse, though.

This guy, he did one about searching for Osama bin Laden before they found him, obviously, which was horrible. Yeah, Spurlock, Morgan Spurlock. I agree, overrated. I just felt it was a bit gimmicky. It's like, okay, yeah, no, if you eat McDonald's, yes, obviously you're going to be really sick if you eat McDonald's every day.

And I think what kind of bothered me is like, you know, a lot of people don't eat, a lot of people eat McDonald's every day because it's cheap and it's, I don't know. But also because it's fast and they're lazy. It's, you know, it's, I just, I didn't think it was that good. It's really a lot of effort to make your own food.

And just one more thing about, there was a documentary that I really had wanted to see, was excited to see, and then because of the fact that the subject of the documentary turned out to have, you know, sex related charges against him, I now don't want to see, was the Elmo documentary about Kevin

Clash. Well, yeah, the doc was good, but you're right, you need to watch it before. And that's the thing, I feel like it's like I got ruined for me because I was going to seek it out. It's actually going to be tough to watch now. And now I find so much better. I even find when I see Elmo on TV, it just kind of breaks my heart, you know, so that is one that I wanted to see and now can't. And you're a lucky girl, Rose, because you're going to blow out of here and go to a warmer climate.

Yep. I'm off to Florida. My family's off to Florida tomorrow night. So I'm excited for that because it's been a long winter and I'm sick. And the doctor actually said the warmth will be good for me. I'm going to start the show again, Rose. If you don't mind, I think we need to redo that. I forgot to press record.

There, let's go out with that one instead. So, Rose, I'm going to miss you next week when you're in Florida. I will miss you too. I will see you soon, though. And you know what you did, Rose? You closed my Google Drive thing, which has my script I read. I've got it open now. And that brings us to the end of our show. You can follow me on Twitter at Toronto Mike and Rosie at Rosie in Toronto.

See you all next week. Bye for now. guitar solo I want to take a streetcar downtown