Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Toronto Mike'd #72

Episode Date: March 20, 2014

Mike talks to audio guru Andrew Stoakley about his 88.1 and 102.1 analysis and stories from CFNY.

Welcome to the 72nd episode of Toronto Mic'd, a weekly podcast about anything and everything, often with a distinctly Toronto flavour. I'm Mike from torontomic.com. Joining me this week is audio guru Andrew Stokely, and hosting this audio file are the good people at Core Fusion. and hosting this audio file are the good people at Core Fusion. Audio guru Andrew Stokely, what do you think of the new location for Toronto Mic Studios? I miss the monkey. I think you should bring the animal motif down here to the new location. It would brighten it up a little bit.

The monkey on the palm tree, I miss it too. Yeah. But there is space here. There's like a canvas in front of us. I could go crazy. Yeah, you could easily, easily make a nice motif or decorative artwork of some kind. Although I'm the worst artist ever. I think I'm the worst artist ever.

I couldn't draw myself out of a paper bag. So you're not going to help. No, no, no. I can't even draw a stick figure. That's how artistically challenged I am. So tell me, let me just fill in the audience. So just recently on Sunday, I moved this podcast studio from its perch on the second floor with the monkeys and the rhinoceros and the elephant

and everybody. And I vacated that room because at any time over the next few weeks, my son, my second son will be born. And that's going to be his room. So I'm in the basement now. And I actually really dig this space. As you see, I got my workstation here and I got my podcast. Yeah. You know, studio here. It's nice. It's a,

you could easily put three people. You put a chair at the end of the table here. Yeah. And I got a foldable chair like that. Ready to go. Yeah. I mean, you could easily get it.

And you know what? The acoustics are pretty good in here. Okay. That's my question. So tell me about acoustics here. So I know you might, you once told me that, you know, soft surfaces are better.

Am I saying that right? Fabric? Something that absorbs sound as opposed to a hard surface, which would reflect sound. Yeah. So I've got the carpet down here, but otherwise there's not much. It's all, watch out. It's all hard. It's all drywall.

Yeah. And a hard table. But we're just getting lucky here that there's some decent acoustics happening? Yeah, like, you know, as we talked about before, you and I, you know, humans are really good absorbers of sound because we're mostly water. We wear clothes. You have some chairs down here, you know, and the microphones you have to help because you have really good directional broadcast quality microphones which help to cut out extraneous noises so that's why when when uh when alan cross leans back oh yeah like this off mic yeah this is me right here on mic and then alan you know kind of sitting back here i mean it's

but he should know better right should he should know was he just uh sabotaging the toronto mic empire there no i don't that maybe he just come Go with me here. We're going to create some controversy. No, because if you watch his podcast, because sometimes Michael Hainsworth and him, when they do their live Geeks and Beats, they'll sometimes do a live-to-air that you can watch them do their thing.

You know, Alan's got a, I'm assuming, it looks like a Neumann or an AKG, a really nice, super quality mic, but he's got a, I'm assuming it looks like a Neumann or an AKG, a really nice super quality mic, but he's got it on an extension arm. And he can get that. He can sit back and bring it right to his mouth, where these ones were on desk stands right now.

But I should look at you. Now that you have the space, I could easily see putting in some proper boom arms. But you know, if we had installed boom arms in my other table, which is now my son's desk, then I changed, as you see, this is a new table. Yep. Yeah, it's a good thing we did.

We would have been doing that this morning. We had the foresight not to do something awesome like that. Yeah. And besides, if you sit up like this, it gives you proper posture, and it gives you better work of your diaphragm and so forth. So do you, audio guru Andrew Stokely, do you officially bless this new space yes i like it uh i like it a lot you know and it's downstairs you know it's it feels like a dingy old you know uh pump up the volume christian slater feel to it uh you know harry hard on was that his name i'm trying to remember that was

harry hard on i think yeah i can't remember. It was Harry Hardon, I think. I watched it in theaters and I came out of that loving it. I think I was the perfect age for that movie. I think we will have to get rid of your fluorescent light that's on the wall. Fluorescents have a really high pitch and it's the bane of all on-location audio

guys. Could I just turn it off? I could have candles like Venus Flytrap and WKRP, which is another show I absolutely loved it's that's you know what i want to be venus flytrap there you go well then you need some more velvet um some black light uh some scented candles and uh you know some some sexy r&b hits that's what you need. Consider it done. There we go. Right off the bat, I want to say a big thank you to you because, as you know and as people know, I'm participating in the Ride to Conquer Cancer. And you, my friend, have pledged the highest amount of all, of everybody, including loved ones and people who have been my friends for life if you everybody you andrew stokely pledged the highest amount um well uh you know i i i don't it's okay to cry this is the moment no you know my uh i i don't talk about it a lot my mom passed away of breast

cancer you know 15 16 years ago in 1998 and uh and i don't talk about it i'm not a huge proponent of the whole campaign of everything you know my mom died three months after diagnosis it was quick it was very painless for her And I'm glad now that I look back at it happened that way. I would have hate to have seen her, um, wallow away and wilt away in a hospital bed. I don't think I could have handled that as well as I did, uh, this, um, you know, and, you know, you're doing this and I think it's great. You're doing it for yourself. You're doing it for your friend Mike. Yeah, I'm definitely doing it for Mike Kick. And I think it's great.

I can't ride a bike because of my knees. I can't run, so I can't run, but I can bike. Yeah, anyway. So I thought I would do it, and you know what? It's a great cause. It's a great donation and uh i wish you nothing but uh success on it and you know i know you've been training a lot i when i walked in the door here at the house the first thing i saw was your bike at the back of the uh yeah i was out the last two days the weather seems to be turning looks like i can actually get out there yeah yeah the snow we had a lot of rain in niagara yesterday and that helped to wash away

a lot of the snow and remaining ice so really all we have left up there is just the stuff that shoveled you know at the by the plow and the stuff at the end of the driveway pretty much everything else on the lawn is gone which was uh nice to see so let me first of all i'm obviously i'm sorry about what you had to endure with your mother and cancer sucks yeah cancer sucks and it doesn't um you know the thing about cancer is it's it doesn't it has no feelings it doesn't target people specifically it doesn't discriminate it no you know it's there and um you know my mom had a really really aggressive type of cancer and at that point now again this was in 1998 and i know stuff has changed but at that point 98 um you know princess margaret did all they could do and there

really wasn't a lot that you know they were really honest with they said you know and i'd rather have a doctor i'm one of those you know i'm a practical guy i'd rather have a doctor tell me a realist yeah you know don't feed me sunshine and unicorns just say you know me too is she gonna die or is she gonna live and the doctor said she's going to die we don't know when but there's really nothing we can do it's a it's a super aggressive form of cancer and will make her remaining days as comfortable as possible. And, you know, Princess Margaret at that point released her, and we brought her back to Brampton where she was, and, you know, she really wanted to die at home. And, you know, in the last two weeks that couldn't happen,

and so the palliative care unit at Peel Memorial, which I think is now called Trillium in Brampton, you know, I have nothing but great things to say about them and their nurses and doctors. And, you know, I was there holding her hand when she when she passed away. All right. Now, on that note, if anybody wants to we'll change gears aggressively here, but I want to let everybody know I am targeting four thousand dollars. So I have cleared the minimum to ride, which was $2,500. So that's amazing. But I want to hit $4,000 for my 40th. And if you want to pledge, go to torontomike.com in the top left corner.

There's a link to pledge my ride. And just click that. And I appreciate any amount. Thank you. And thank you, Andrew. And I hope a corporation does come out. You know what? I got denied.

So Ford denied me. So I got sent to an official for Ford Canada, who are great people. We'll talk more about them later. But they're fantastic people. But they sent me to a form to fill out. And I filled it all out. And then they came back. At least they came back and said no.

Most companies actually just never responded. But Ford actually came back and said, sorry, it doesn't fit our whatever, whatever. But each corporation they're awesome for look they look all i know is when i wanted to take my buddy mike kick to a raptor game uh ford canada came through so they got nothing i got nothing but warm feelings for that company but they did but corporations have not stepped up which you know is unfortunate but so be it let's let's move on you want to move on to music yeah let's move on to music i want to talk to you about indie 88.1 yep because in episode 50 you shared some of your concerns and feelings about this new station yeah in toronto yeah and and now what actually you've become like a big source when people want to get feedback and discuss 88.1, they all end up on episode 50 to hear what you had to say.

And I should point out just before we dive into your follow up with you that Adam Thompson, who is the program director at 88.1, will be a guest on this podcast soon. He wants to bike over. So he's waiting for double digit temps. podcast uh soon he wants to bike over so he's waiting for double digit temps i'm waiting for the same thing to bike to their studio because i've been invited to tour their studio and uh see what's going on there yeah furthermore alan cross who he's got an interesting title something about uh guidance counselor yeah something like that but he's essentially a consultant of sorts uh he goes in there once a week. And Alan Cross was on episode 66. And we talked a great deal about 88.1.

So if anybody wants to go back and preface everything, listen to episode 50 and 66. And that brings us to this, episode 72. And you, Andrew, are going to share some of your feelings about 88.1 today yeah um well you know what i went i went on their website uh first of all i should say i've had a hell winter i have traveled non-stop constantly uh the weather has been crappy it's been horrible um and so i got home i've had like three major road trips all lasting more than 15 or 16 days. And it sucked. I've had cancellations, plane delays, whatever. And so I finally came home. I got home at 2.15 a.m. Monday morning after being up since five in Fort McMurray, working a show. I know that feeling. Yeah. Doing it, getting the airport, coming home, blah, blah, blah. So, and we had talked about doing this cause I wanted to come in and you said, you know what? Why don't you do a follow-up? Tell me what you think. So

I started listening on the way home. I listened for a good solid two hours of Indy 88. And then I listened all day Monday. And then Tuesday I actually actually started to take notes. And I've got those here. And then Wednesday, I kind of listened on and off with CFNY. And I went to their website. This is their, if you go to their website, this is Indie8's manifesto. They say, I, we, together we're indie. And we put music first. The artists, the audience, the inspiration, the songwriting, the instruments, the album cover, the poster art,

the live show, after show, secret show, tour t-shirt. Popular, obscure, signed, unsigned. We believe indie comes in all shapes and sizes. We put the quest to uncover, discover, and rediscover it first. Then we play it, interview it, debate it, stream it, socialize it, chart it, support it. Because music's what inspires us.

It's an expression of who we are, a passion made greater through sharing, a universal language that connects us all. We're a platform, a melting pot, a collective, a home for everyone who believes music matters. The station where I becomes we. That plays your favorite songs you just might know not you ah i knew i was gonna screw up you just might not know them yet indie 88 giving great music a home that's on their website that's what their creed but you have to read that in alan cross's oh sure

i don't i don't have't have the cadence or the... Hey, you're closer than I am. Yeah, well. So I find it interesting that their manifesto doesn't necessarily reflect some of their musical choices on their station. I think it's great. I love it. The manifesto's good, but you haven't witnessed that in practice necessarily. Necessarily. In some cases, yeah. And you know what? I think they're improving. Like I said, I hadn't listened to it a long time.

And so I listened Monday. I listened to it Tuesday. Tuesday, I really started to take notes. I went through their stream and started writing down. I know one of the biggest complaints that I had uh and people continue to have are the repeats that uh indie 88 does going through their their streaming system and so forth i've noticed that their quote hits their popular tracks they're looking at anywhere from three and a half to five and a half hours on a rotation basis and And this would be like the latest Monsters and Men and that kind of stuff. Yeah. But I should point out that it's my biking station,

so I listen to 88.1 on the bike. Not in the car that often, but it is my go-to station. I do also listen to 102.1 sometimes. It's my shower station. But we'll talk about 102.1 uh soon but please continue okay so like for example um of monsters and men so on tuesday this is uh that would have been the 18th right um yeah so i went through and as i said i listened i listened pretty much from about 7 30 in the morning until about four o'clock in the afternoon because, you know, life and family gets in the way.

So I kind of wanted to base it on a typical workday, somebody who would do an eight-hour shift at a retail store or an office, which I think is what a lot of stations cater to. So of Monsters and Men, they played two tracks uh dirty paws being their most popular yeah so they played that at 3 16 in the morning 7 43 in the morning 1208 pm 4 44 and at 9 37 in a 24 hour period so i went through their back catalog and and looked and

and saw what they played they also played played Mountain Sound at 5.16 in the morning. So you're playing an artist, different tracks, two hours within each other. Tokyo Police Club, Canadian content, obviously, right? CanCon, Hot Tonight, they played at 12.44 a.m., 5.20 a.m., 9.34 a.m., 1.59 p.m., 11.13 p.m., and they also played a different track, I forgot to write it down, at 4.41m., 1.59 p.m., 11.13 p.m., and they also played a different track, I forgot to write it down, at 4.41 in the afternoon.

Fantagrand, that seems to be a real popular, and it's covering across a whole bunch of stations. They played Fall in Love at 1.38, 6.27, 3.01 in the afternoon, and 7.45. City and Color they love they played I just heard that

a minute ago yeah they played that at 1203 241 1040 or 1057 244 756

and 1105 now sometimes they're playing multiple tracks but it's the same artist the National you know we just

we have to bet though that does not bother me like to me multiple tracks is okay yeah you know we just script that though that does not bother me like to me multiple tracks is okay yeah you know what multiple tracks don't bother me uh i think what i said in the in our original podcast in episode number 50 is that that's fine if you want to play an artist and you want to play great do it but go back and find something that maybe you haven't heard because i i i just during my shower today i heard them them uh actually you know what i think it was never mind i think that was 102.1 in the shower never

mind please continue i was gonna say i heard city in color but it was save your scissors and uh that's okay yeah yeah they went back for that one okay um there's another artist by the name of dance joy they're playing that one along i think the track's called riptide uh that was at uh 4 28 in the morning 9 16 1 35 604 these seem to be four or five hours apart like yeah just to be just to be devil's advocate yeah absolutely so these these top songs which are like popular right now like that of monsters and men what was that track they keep playing dirty paws yeah i actually love that song like it's a great great i do too i have i own the album the album's great i i was in iceland you know that i um don't mind if every four or five hours that big song of the moment by that cool band is played like i want

to hear it right this is what i think it's tough for a commercial company like 88.1 to who's trying to get listeners is yeah you can you can do a non-repeat workday or whatever, but when people want to hear that song, and every four or five hours does not sound excessive to me. And I think since that first conversation we've had, they have maybe pushed out their repeats a little more. Now, there was an anomaly. The Strumbellas, who are currently my favorite

Canadian band right now, they have a track that's on the radio right now called Sailing. And you know, it was a funny... Andrew, we're a music podcast. If any excuse I have to play a tune... Well, I'm going to be honest. If anyone has not

seen these guys live, their two albums they have don't do their live show justice. Their lead singer, Simon, is just charismatic. The band is tight. Their music is great. You can sing along. It's a hell of a show. Check out their website.

They're playing live all the time. I keep bugging them. Please come down and play in the show niagara um i've actually yeah i think it's via twitter or maybe in person but i've heard you rave about this band yeah uh so you're this this is you know you've sold me i gotta see these guys live yeah well like i said you know and they're great they're really interactive on twitter and i don't know about Facebook because I'm not on Facebook. So anyway, they played this Tuesday night at 12.35 a.m. and then played it again at 3 o'clock. Whether or not...

But it's a band you don't hear. I don't think they're a no-one. I don't think 102.1 is playing the Strombelas. Nope. So this is not such a bad thing that they're getting this kind of exposure. No, but... But they're playing it at 12. of exposure no but but they're playing it at 12 35 in the morning they're playing it at 301 in the morning and then they played it again the

next time at 9 35 p.m we'll call it an outlier maybe that's yeah you know it's one off we'll call it an outlier and i think yesterday i think i did hear because i was listening yesterday i did hear it in the afternoon on reina's show um i just didn't have my paper i think i was in the car at the time um one of the things so you know they they do have some you know what the fuck kind of tracks they're still playing they do that they will go out with the what wtf tracks what the fuck tracks they're still playing that damn elephant song not as much but on tuesday oh the john lennon song yeah they played twice, and I guess they have a new track out. I don't know what it's called, but you can distinctly hear them. There's a band out of, I don't know, they're called Chromio.

Okay. It sounds like Len, or, you know, check the OR. Oh, get out of here. Tom Green. I don't. Organized rhyme. Yeah, I was sitting there when I heard it, and I'm going, what the hell am I listening to?

It kind of threw me off, and I don't know if it's in there because it's a can-con. They just need a band that they can fill. I think sometimes they do something different. You'll be listening along, and then they'll throw in Insane in the Brain. I guess that's a common kind of track to go to, but they'll throw in these.

Yeah, I know listening when Alan was on, he said you got to throw a cookie every once in a while because you had mentioned Young MC's Bust a Move. Yeah. Okay. Okay. You know what? I can't argue with that.

That's a great track that brings back a lot of memories. But everyone enjoys hearing it because it's once in a blue moon now and it takes you back. Yeah. You know what? I could see that, but I don't know if it fits in what the format of what they're trying to do with the station i i don't i'm still trying

to figure out and maybe they are too i mean you want to hear my biggest pet peeve of all is that they there'll be songs that every station is playing ad nauseum okay the biggest one i can think of would be the daft punk song yes uh remind me of the name of the uh get lucky no yeah get lucky okay so get lucky every station in toronto played it to death all summer long yep i don't understand why yeah why would 88.1 still be playing that song like i don't know maybe that's a song you don't play because it's very poppy it's very mainstream and it's everywhere well i went through because i wanted to see what artists that they were playing, that Indie88's playing, that I could go and listen to on any other station.

And so if you look at the Chum chart, 104.5, they're playing Imagine Dragons. They're playing Lorde. Everyone's playing Lorde. They're playing Tegan and Sarah. You go over to Virgin Radio, they're playing Lorde. They're playing Bastille. I just looked at their charts, right? Not their playlists. But this is their top tracks.

Now you go to The Edge. Lots of overlap there. Lots of overlap. Foss the People, Arctic, Bastille, Fentagran, Arcade Fire, Vampire Weekend, Young the Giant, City in Color, Lord. So, you know, I will give Indie88 credit.

I have softened my stance. I enjoyed it. I got to be honest. I enjoyed listening to it the other day. Even though I did hear repeats, I knew I was going to hear repeats. Because you were doing eight hours, right? Yeah, I did. You know going in and Toronto Terrestrial Radio, you're going to get your repeats yes because you know there was a study i think it was i want

to give credit to either now toronto or the grid it was the grid great okay because i blogged about it and they did a some now it was obviously a small sample size they only did one day i think maybe 12 hour period you did a 24 hour period right but they did some so in terms of repetition 88.1 actually won the competition for least repetition they were far better than 102.1 for example well i listened and went through their charts and i you know what i i don't honestly know it to me it sounded like you know tarzan dan and all hit 680. Like it was, I went through, um, the Arctic monkeys. Do I want to know? Yeah. Okay. So this song right now, they played it in a 24 hour period. They played it at 1255, 316, 6 AM, 803, 8am, 8.03, 10.58, 1.22, 3.56, 6.32, 8.55, and 11.27pm.

Like Barry Taylor said, top 40 for grunge. I was even shocked. I really was. I had to go back and forth and back and forth and make sure that I hadn't missed one. That's how you kill a song. Because this is actually a kick-ass single. This is a great song. that's how you kill a song, because this is actually a kick-ass single. This is a great song. The album is awesome. Yeah.

You know, but yeah, this is like came... Just be glad this isn't CanCon, or they would have doubled that up. Oh, yeah. I also did a track of their, quote, you know, what you would consider edge artists, bands like the Fo fighters and red hot chili peppers yeah okay so they played um red hot chili peppers one two three four five six seven

eight times in that 24 hour period and they played the foo fighters one two three four five six seven times yeah you know different tracks all different tracks but you know there's a hell of a lot more artists out there than just those two guys um you know they were playing and they're still playing daft punk they still played it um arcade fire is really big of course on both yeah and you know what it's an awesome album and rightly so because it's the CanCon choice. And so you know, Reflector's still big. The only thing that upsets about me is I heard Reflector a couple of times

on Indie88, and they're playing a radio edit version now. What's the bad word in that song? I don't remember. It's shorter for time. So instead of all that really funky stuff at the beginning, which they were doing when it first came out, it's now basically starting with a lyric.

And, you know, so be it, I guess. Maybe I'm mellowing out, but it just, you know, I want to hear the song how it was supposed to be, you know, especially when it's on a, if it's a seven-minute track, great. That's your time for your DJ to go have a pee, right? You know, that's what you can always tell when the guys on the overnights were, you know, it was time to go to the bathroom. They'd put on Tainted Love by Soft Cell.

Yeah, yeah. Well, in the old classic rock era, I guess it was always Indiegogo da Vida. Yeah, yeah. You put on Zeppelin or something like that and just, and then, you know, you got time to go for a smoke and have a pee because, you know, that was, well, I guess back then you could smoke in the studio still. You could snort blow off a hooker's ass back then, okay? Yeah, well, you could.

Just ask Steve Anthony. Yeah, well, I don't have anything on my arm to, that was a weird interview. That was fun. I told you, I think I told you that story, right? No. No? Okay, so I was the editor at the school newspaper in Brampton. It was called the Iliad.

And Steve Anthony had just been hired by CFNY to be their morning guy. Yeah. So I called up the station and said, listen, we want to come do, I want to come do an interview. Oh, yeah, you did tell us, but tell it again. Yeah, it's a school newspaper. Anyway, it was like 7.30 in the morning, and he was wired beyond wired. And during the interview, he was basically sitting there scratching something on his arm. And it was bleeding by the end of the conversation.

I thought, oh, you need some help. Like was just and look at him today yeah new hip and all yeah is that is oh that's right yeah that he drop kicked the monster kick the monster truck yeah that's funny i mean but you know what it's one of those funny things i can see myself doing that especially if a camera on you you do something stupid like that. Yeah. Yeah. But getting back to Indie88, you know, one of the things I also talked about is, you know, why do you listen to radio? You know, what is it that draws people to radio? And I'm a big believer, and I could be completely wrong. You know, this is my thoughts on learning from, you know, some of the greats in our industry. A first year radio instructor by the name of Dr. Jerry Good, who if anyone knows radio in Toronto, that name will

send off, you know, bells and whistles. He was an amazing program director, station manager, knows his shit. And he's the one that, you know, in our first year radio, we had to do a 24 hour radio monitor. And that was a great experience. You go through and you record 24 hours and you transcribe what the announcer talked about, how many times they say the station ID, how many station IDs are played, what commercials were played, what tracks were played, how long each segment was. And it gives you a really, really interesting outlook on what the station was or is. And that's a really good tool. But anyway, I think one of the things I had talked about in that episode was, you know, you don't get to hear their announcers.

That's true. There's not a lot of time for talent to talk. Yeah. And I noticed, and again, it could just be my perception, A, I only listen to their morning show, but their morning show doesn't do, you know what,

most morning shows don't do a lot for me anyway. It's a little breakfast television-esque. Do you think the three of them, so they got the two guys and the gal. And they kind of chat about current events and quirky little things. And it's not, by the way, it's not horrible. Like when I'm listening, I don't cringe and have to turn the station like I have with some other morning shows in the city. But it doesn't add a lot.

Like I actually think that if you're going to make it all about the music, maybe I would like maybe tell me a little bit about the song or the artist or tell me a little story relevant to the track i'm about to hear because i find with myself when i get a little tidbit like this guy's grandmother grew up in toronto and did something like something stupid like that i start to like the song more like i like i like the backstory to the tune yeah it was um it sounds to me and again it could just be their recording whatever or how they have their studio set up. It sounds like all their bits are actually recorded and then they're played back during, oh, maybe. I don't know. I get that feel. But a great example was on Tuesday. The South by Southwest Festival happened in Austin.

My brother, who lives in Austin, goes all the time. Keep it weird. And there was that tragic incident where the guy plowed into a group of people and you know unfortunately three people were killed um and a lot of people injured and there's a it came out on uh you know austin television you know fark had it and then it just kind of spread there was a girl who um befriended one of the bands there and uh you know unfortunately she couldn't make their show so what did they do packed up their gear and actually went to the hospital and played the concert for her in her hospital room and that was really cool and this morning show was talking about it and then i thought what a

great opportunity here's an indie band you know out of the u.s whatever we're talking about them hey why don't we play their track yeah nope. Nope, nothing. That's a good point. And it went to something else. And I thought, well, there is a really lost. Yeah, they talk up an artist and now you want to hear them. Yeah. Here's a lost opportunity. And, you know, so I tweeted out to the radio station.

I said, listen, why didn't you guys just. And they said, oh, well, here you can look at it on YouTube. And I said, I've already seen the article. I already know about the story. But it would have been really great to say here's the band have a listen what do you guys think you know here's an opportunity to maybe add another artist to your repertoire now they do a bit of that like i listen when i buy carlin is the guy going okay and carlin will basically and i don't mind carlin you know i don't i don't i just never heard of carlin before this gig,

but he seems to be a nice guy. He's kind of got an interesting voice, and he tells you interesting things. Well, that was the one thing. He probably, for me, was the most improved announcer on that station. You know, as I was listening to it, he was doing some segments where he was talking with phoners,

and then it just all of a sudden dawned on me. It's like, huh, okay. You know what? He's got a personality. He's interacting, and you kind of heard that radio thing turn off, like that fake whatever, and it was just him. I thought, this is great. This is why I tune into radio you know after after that episode came out and people were saying on and i i wrote yeah a pretty long diatribe about why i love radio

you know and why i fell in love with radio it's not because of music especially in this day and era i can find music anywhere i tune in because i want people to tell me why they love yeah let me like the throne of glory they used to have right wasn't that awesome that was like the because I want people to tell me why they love. Yeah, let me, like the throne of glory they used to have, right? Wasn't that awesome? That was, the Matt Good, Alan Cross 90 Minutes,

and I still say this, was the best 90 minutes of radio I heard. It was just two dudes playing music that they both love and talking about. You know what I do?

I like people to play me your favorite songs and tell me why. And then when I hear that song, it may change the way like i might have heard that song 10 times yeah but now i'm hearing it like sort of through your ears because i have that context and that's what i'm that's what i like i like to hear throne of glory stuff was great yeah but back to carlin really quick on carlin yeah one when i listen to carlin

i picture bill wilichka okay now quickly think of bill wilichka. Okay. Now, quickly, think of Bill Wilichka introducing a song in Much Music. Okay. That voice is very similar. Bill Wilichka's voice. Somebody do this for me. I'm too lazy. Bill Wilichka's voice and then Carlin's voice.

Okay. Very similar. I'd have to go back. I wasn't a big Much Music guy, but I know who you're talking about. We'll find some clip of Bill Wilichka somewhere. He certainly wasn't, you know, whatever. He was no Steve Anthony.

He was no Steve Anthony he was no Steve Anthony Michael Williams who I met at a Spoons concert recently Michael Williams there's a picture of me at a Spoons concert recently

yeah recently see there are words you don't hear normally together I saw Spoons within the last within the last three years they played my high school

in 1986 they're amazing by the way they do play that I notice you get these old kind of what we call like CFNY type tunes

that come up. Okay, quickly on Carlin, one more thing. So he was going to play a new Sam Roberts song, but before he played the new Sam Roberts song, he played an interview he did with just a clip of Sam Roberts talking about the song. And Sam Roberts was really adding this wonderful texture and context to the song. Yeah. And he's talking about why it's got that name and the chord and what it reminded him of and why he wrote it and then we play the song i'm telling you

i liked the song far more hearing you know why did the artist do this and that so that's the stuff i like from radio when tell me why you like it or a little tidbit about it or a piece of trivia about it or something about the song or the musician before you play it or after you play it preferably before. And then it just adds a whole other dimension to the tune. They do the segment, you know, like the music headlines. Well, who cares?

Oh yeah, that's Laurieann, is it? They all do them. And it's the same headlines throughout the whole day. You know what? I can find that stuff. You know, I want... Although I don't mind that. But in that sense, there's no one size fits all here like one guy wants to hear the top 40 songs over and over and the other guy wants to discover new music yep some people don't

want to hear something they don't know because they don't like what they don't know and they came to tune in to hear something they know they want to hear smells like teen spirit and someone's going to turn that station the second they start Smells Like Teen Spirit because they've heard it a million times. Yeah. Yeah. It's so tough, I think. Yeah. You know what?

It is. You know, like I said, it was probably a little hard on my, you know, the original podcast because I was so excited to hopefully find something again that I could fall in love with what I did, you know, with the original Spirit of Radio. Good luck with that because everyone's chasing their teenage years i think that's we're all trying to get that feel that's what i feel i'm trying i watch my blue jays i watched them yesterday yeah i'm i'm all i do every season is try to chase that feeling i had in 85 during the drive of 85 i'm just chasing the

drive of 85 and it's just a recipe it's not going to happen but i chase it every summer no and you know and i'm not i'm not one to look back on nostalgia in terms of music i like hearing new music you know um it's it's it's that's why i listen to music you know that's why i listen to radio i want to be introduced to new stuff of course you know like the strombellas yeah the strombellas uh dan mangan was another artist he's a songwriter out of vancouver uh you know there's just but radio i find today radio doesn't break artists anymore you know it wasn't like the 50s it wasn't like the 60s uh even the 70s it's just everything is corporately formatted. And I hope Indie finds their target.

I still don't think they have found their target audience yet. But they play a lot of Pixies. Yeah, they play a lot. And 102.1, I mean, maybe it's changing. We'll talk a bit about their new Sunday show. But 102.1 stopped playing that stuff at some point after Alan Cross. They stopped playing a lot of stuff. Ross Winters came in and basically everything before the 90s

disappeared. Yeah, and it went to a harder edge. Yeah, it's Three Days Grace. Three Days Grace, Linkin Park. That was the other thing I noted. They've softened up now. That's the thing. They're playing Linkin Park. They're playing Red Hot Chili Peppers. They're playing Nirvana. And then they play Daft Punk it's kind of a they're playing lincoln park they're playing red hot chili peppers they're playing nirvana and then they play daft punk you know like and that you just go and

they play lord yeah and you huh it's one of those what why does it are you doing that just because you're throwing up you're trying to get somebody to stick with you or like what why are you playing that you know what is the reason you're playing that song why are you but on that note of going off bait off the path if you will every once in a while now every once in a while if a station wants to throw in something like this i'm okay with it yeah Don't do it every hour or don't play this song every day. But something like this once in a while,

honestly, because you haven't heard it a lot lately and it brings you back and I happen to have liked that song. I like that band. Yeah. I know you tweeted something. Yeah.

So you turned off the station when this came on. Yeah, I did. I feel terrible for the Adam Thompsons of the world Who have to appease you and me I guess they just have to look at the math Are there more yous or more me's? And I think they're still trying to figure that out You know

I can't stand this song I shouldn't say that I like this song But I'll talk to you why. Okay, is this an offline story? It's an offline story. Okay, fine, that's fine. If that's a personal offline story, fine.

Without that, though, this song is fun. Oh, yeah, you know what? Not very current, but fun. But fun, sure, I'll give you that. I guess now that you're a decade old, you can kind of pop up once in a while. Yeah, I mean, there's songs you can find in the vault, if you will, and play them. You know what? Sure. I'll give you that. But it wasn't something I was willing to hear at 3 o'clock.

I can't remember what time they played it at, but it was just like, huh? Really? Fair enough. Sure, sure, sure. Oh, well, what can you do? So let's talk briefly about some changes at 102.1 in my opinion 102.1 has made changes lately that seems to be a direct response to the presence of 88.1 could very well be because they've soft i've noticed they've softened like you know you mentioned daft punk but even like stuff like city and soft new songs i think city in Color has a new song called Hard.

Something Hard. I can't remember the name. But I noticed that 102.1 is... Harder Than Stone? That's the one. And it's a soft song. So it's called Harder Than Stone, but it's a very soft, sweet little stitty. Yes.

I kind of like it. But I think that that's one type example of 102.1 softening their playlist. That's one type example of 102.1 softening their playlist. And I noticed that as a direct response to 88.1, which came in and played Pixies and stuff like that, and they play The Clash, suddenly 102.1 has remembered their past, specifically, particularly with regards to Sundays,

when they brought back Scott Turner to do what they call Spirit of Radio Sundays. And I listened last Sunday, loved all the tunes I heard, a lot of great old tracks that I used to listen to all the time, and it felt good to listen to it. What do you think about the Sunday show with Scott Turner? I missed last week's because I was in Fort McMurray watching people throw a 40-pound rock down the ice. Oh, and you were trying to get Rob Johnston on Twitter to score you the audio files. Yeah.

And he wouldn't do it. But he DM'd you of the secret location, right? No. Good. I'm glad you didn't sell him out. No, no, no, no. I've known Rob for a long, long time. Rob, anyway, for people who don't know, Rob Johnston is the, I believe he's the director

of creative services there for the Edge. And he's got all the ongoing history of new musics. He has all of them In a vault somewhere. So I meet him in dark alleys after night. And Rob used to be a volunteer. If I remember correctly, and I'll have to get Rob, if he listens to this,

I know you'll send it out, but Rob used to work at the station and was volunteering as a phone operator and other stuff when I first started there. And he went to school. We both went to Ryerson to RTA. So we go back, we go back a ways and Rob's great and he's awesome what he does.

So, you know, that's really good. And Scott Turner is awesome at what he does. Yes. I, you know, if anyone has ever looked at my LinkedIn profile, not that you need to, but at the bottom, I talk about my time at CFY and I think a bunch of people, he's number one on the list. Scott really kind of took me under his wing and showed me a lot about the industry. I followed him around to a lot of his club gigs to learn more about DJing.

I would go in on Saturday mornings when he was doing the Saturday show and just kind of hang out and watch him work. I owe a lot to him. Are you the reason he changed the K to a C? No, I don't know. Was that your recommendation? No.

I think what happened when the massive firings occurred and he showed up the next day at 108 as the program director, I think that's when he changed it um but when this when they announced this i sent an email out to him just to say you know what congratulations um and i got a really nice response back to him i'd love to see him and and and it's been so long since we've you know we've we've actually seen each other in person if you will it's just to say thanks um but i was super excited when i saw that information and i had like you know i've been on this i was on a 19-day road trip and uh i was off and i was in vancouver and i was listening to it via their stream on on my computer

and then when i had to go out i put it on my uh on my my ipod or or my iPhone and listened to it there. It felt like I had been transported back till I was 16, 17, working at that station again and remembering why I love the music that I love. And I think talking with Rob and what they were planning to do or what they're hoping to do, and I missed last weekend. I'll be able to listen this weekend. I think what they're trying to do or what they're hoping to do. And I missed last weekend. I'll be able to listen this weekend.

I think what they're trying to do is educate their listeners, their younger listeners, as to why the bands you love so much owe so much to the artists from the past, connecting the history of the station to current artists. And I think that's awesome. And if it's only for six hours on a Saturday and they go back to the regular programming, so be it.

But I will tune in on Saturdays and listen and enjoy. Yeah, and I think it's just like a bone CFNY is throwing to old farts like you and I. It could be. I don't know. Who knows? You're a radio guy, not me.

Are Sundays typically days where you get lots of listeners? Maybe that's a good day to kind of do that. I don't think it's their core. I mean, their main stuff. It's why CHFI does so well in the ratings every year is because Monday to Friday they're in offices and so forth. I don't really know what numbers draw on a Sunday. Maybe CFNY said, hey, you know what? We got this great slot on a Sunday. Let's fill it up with something really good. Well, it's good. Yeah. And I'm glad to have it because I miss those tunes.

Yeah, I miss them too. But I think, a song for the sake of playing a song is great if you're just kind of sitting around. But the way they're doing the show and the way Scott is presenting it, I think is really great. Why do you like bands today? What was the one he was talking about? Were you talking about the one with the New Order and Temptation and into stuff like, oh, uh i'm i'm drawing a blank um but you know he's saying listen you

like such and such well yeah like the amazon.com thing right like you if you like this you might like this than the other yeah and even like a lot of i find a lot of the young people they don't understand the history like you got like like Joy Division, New Order type. Where does New Order come out of Joy Division and what happened there? Like that stuff for the younger crowd I think would be fascinating, but they got to learn that somewhere. Yeah. When they announced it, I think I put a picture on your website

that has from the School of Rock, which is a great film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's Jack Black and the kids come in the next day from class and he has written on that chalkboard the history of rock if you will and all the sub genres and then the sub genres on top of the sub genres and he's going through pointing to you know okay you like led zeppelin that's great well you know zeppelin inspired you know whoever and you know it goes it goes down the alt side it's got you know depeche mode or the you know new order and duran duran and morrissey whatever yeah and i think

that's great and that's you know i think that's what they're kind of trying to do here cool very good do you have time uh to share some cool cfny stories so i love talking to you because you always have you have that airplane two story that i still uh my brother steve liked that story too and we talk about it it just was a great story yeah i'm not even gonna you're not telling that story now because everyone's gonna go back to episode fifth because no actually it's probably an earlier episode i'll post it i think it was the very one it was either your first appearance or the second one the airplane twostory i love tell me some brief uh and interesting cfny stories um okay well a really bizarre one is uh at old 83 kennedy road south uh and alan because when you had him on you asked for questions and i said what was his favorite menu item at calypso garden i got that one in

yeah so the caribbean fried rice and they're usually the special that place was awesome i think it's still there uh anyway so we were sitting down having lunch one day and all of a sudden the lunchroom opens up and chris isaac and his drummer kenny show up and they were to do an on-air interview and i was like oh i guess this would have been about the time that wicked game wicked game was out and he was pretty big um and they came and sat in and they were doing a show that night or the next night and you know like what are you having for lunch? I said, well, you know, this is the Calypso Garden special. So I ended up going downstairs and buying these guys some lunch and then bringing it back up and just sat and, you know, shot the shit.

And he was super nice, just mellow and his drummer, Kenny. Can you name a second Chris Isaac song? Because I can't. No. Isn't that weird? Yeah. drummer kenny can you name a second chris isaac song because i can't no isn't that weird yeah you know i think he went a little more country after that and uh probably just it went off great story uh reminds me that he's like a one-hit wonder wicked game was a great tune but can't

name a second one goatee are we ever going to hear a second single from goatee that we like because that uh somebody that i used to know was everywhere yeah i don't but it's been a few years now we've had you know there's tons of just throwing it out there i just thought of goatee somebody that I used to know was everywhere. Yeah, I don't. But it's been a few years now. We've had, you know, there's tons of one-hit wonders. Just throwing it out there. I just thought it goes, yeah, he needs another hit. Tons of one-hit wonders. Okay, tell me another one. That's a good one.

So when you had Alan again, this is great. He had talked about this in other podcasts he had. You know, people, it was on the Geeks and Beat podcast, and they said, you know, what's the worst interview you've ever done? And he mentioned the beautiful South. And he said they didn't want to be there. They had been there all night. They were all hungover. Anyway, so that night I was bantering the show. It was at the concert hall or the old temple. And my job that night was to go and banner. And so I was there and I was bantering the show. What does that mean? Well, in the old days, I would hang a banner.

Yeah, well, CFNY used to have this plastic map. Oh, so you're literally bantering. Yeah. I thought it may be code for something. No, no, no. We'd go out, and I'd either have the Clarion car audio cruiser, or I had a CFNY Pathfinder. Sometimes I had to take the old Humble and Fred Chrysler. So in that picture I keep posting, are you the driver?

No, I don't think so, but I drove that car a lot a lot all right and that thing had no power steering it was brutal to drive uh yeah and you know you're trying to parallel park on queen street it was anyway yeah um so i get down a thing i start whatever and i went downstairs and we were hanging out and then the band showed up and they were grumpy and they just wanted to drink and so somebody said where can we go drink? Because I said, well, there's a pub. You know, people said, well, there's some places. I said, well, there's a great pub across the street called the Morrissey Tavern.

And so their radio, like their publicist and everything, the whole band en masse got up, went out the back door and went down to the Morrissey pub. We were all there drinking. And I guess at the time, this was their huge North American tour. This was their, you know, the House Martins had broken up. And this was the reformation. It was the first album, Welcome to the Beautiful South. And they were hammered.

And a photographer and a writer from the NME had come over with them. And they were shooting stuff. So anyway, whatever. The concert was great. Finish, wrap up, go home, whatever. Three months later, it's a Saturday morning, and I'm sound asleep. It's like 6 in the morning,

and the phone rings at the house. And I guess my mom was up because she came down. She said, get up. The phone's for you. And I'm like, well, okay. So I pick it up, and I go, hello, it's Scott Turner. And Scott's on the phone. He goes, hey, Andrew, you're never going to guess.

I'm in England right now. Like, Oh, okay. He goes, you're on the front cover of the NME over here sitting with the house or the, that's a big deal over there. Yeah. And drinking pints. And he says, and if you also go into the story, you're going to your pictures and all these stupid articles. And I'm like, well, I didn't know, you know, and that was, you know, that was fun. No, that's funny. But you know, Alan said it was his worst interview ever. I mean, they weren't exactly the most friendly guys. I think they really didn't want to be there. Um, you know, and Alan really talked about that. Yeah. Nothing's worse than an interview with somebody who doesn't want to know. No, you know, like the one answers. Um, and one of the, I, you know what, I'll,

I'll do another quick one. Um, the 1990, and I've said this before, the 1990 Canada Day show at the Molson Park in Barrie, I still think is the best lineup, especially of Canadian artists that that show has ever had. You had Lava Hay, for people that remember, Sass Jordan was there, the Northern Pikes, Grapes of grapes of wrath 5440 the tragically hip pursuit of happiness and the the headliner was la boîte uh the box and the box yes box so you know what if you were a fan at that time i mean canadian music really uh you know had come out of its shell uh grapes wrath were huge 5440 was huge is this after so this is after the release of up to here yeah okay yeah it just they had already in the blue album

and up to here was out so they were really starting to hit their peak but they were the second they weren't the the top the headliners no the top five the top three were 5440 then the tragically hip and then the box which i guess for whatever that that you know that required the format um so the the 5440 had come out and we were sitting so i was sitting at stop at the at the side of the stage um just kind of down in front of people can remember the amphitheater or the the molson park yeah uh you know it had that big huge concrete stage it was an awesome venue the sound was great because it was a natural amphitheater. And then it had a hill and then the fence and then the general emissions.

So I was standing at the side of the stage with Alan Cross and Don Burns and Martin Streak. And we were sitting there and the hip were on and it was awesome. I mean, people were going batshit crazy. I mean, it was great. And they came on. It was kind of the last song. going batshit crazy i mean it was great and they came on it was kind of the last song and they started doing new orleans is sinking and anyone who's ever seen the hip you know they'll they'll do a weird show or you know everyone you know the killer whale tank track so he started going off on something i mean he goes on rants yeah and in

the middle of it the band keeps playing well he leaves the stage and wanders over the side uh the side and grabs something comes back on and then he starts taking his cowboy boots off he takes his cowboy boots off and he puts them on the ground he's still singing doing his stuff and then he takes this bottle which turned out to be ron's no lighter fluid and starts dousing his cowboy boots and he's still singing and then he lights them on fire and he's still singing and these boots i'm like you know 15 feet from these boots that are on fire and i thought you know what this is awesome and these are the this the these are the days before we have a camera in our pocket at all times yeah you know what i i have gone back and tried to find some pictures from the era and it's true i have like

three or four pictures because no one had a camera. Nowadays, you'd have hundreds of cameras for that. That'd be on YouTube before you got home. Oh, yeah, yeah. So you know what? That was great. I had, you know, and there's tons of other ones. I mean, and I got tons of stuff from the road,

but, you know. Well, save something for the next appearance. The next time I move my studio. It was just, you know, it was a life-changing experience to work there. It really did change the course of what I was going to do for a profession. And I'm eternally grateful. Very cool. Yeah.

Now, let's spend the last few minutes chatting about something that's still blowing my mind. And I'm going to set it up it up then you're gonna dive in but you've told me that you have done 800 events at the air canada center i'd say that's your number yeah i've done 800 plus events i would say okay so that's amazing first of all in itself you did 800 events at the air canada center but ready for this kids you have never sat in the stands to watch anything nope but anything like obviously not a leaf game nope not a raptor game nope what about a concert nope so you've never been a spectator at the air canada center for anything despite the fact over 800 times you've been in the venue for something because the last thing i wanted to do on a day off was go back to that bloody building.

That's really what it comes down to. You know? Are we allowed to say what your wife does? I think we've mentioned it before. My wife do it? Yeah. So your wife works for Ford Canada. Yep.

Okay. Before we became buddies, I had a relationship with Ford Canada where I do test driving of their automobiles. Occasionally, they would invite me to a Leaf game, for example, because they have a row of seats in the fourth row. Yeah, they've got 12 seats because they're huge corporate sponsors of the NHL, of the ACC, and all that.

Yeah. So this Saturday, the Leafs take on the Montreal Canadiens at the Air Canada Centre. Am I right? Yes. And this is a historical rival. This is a huge game. And you're going to be in the stands.

Yeah. I'm kind of weirded out by it, to be honest. And I'm going to be there, too. Yeah. And I had nothing to do with that so tell me uh i was gonna ask uh because i have been invited to leaf games in the past in fact i've seen the leafs versus habs from those seats yeah so uh how you got the invite how did you get the invite as if i don't know and then how did i get the invite and how awesome is it that i get to be there when you take in your first ACC event ever?

You know what it was? I think my wife and I have joined calendars because I travel so much. She kind of looks to remember where in the hell I am in the country. Yeah, we share Google calendars too, my wife and I. It just makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. And so she looked at my calendar and saw that it was open and just literally wrote in there you're going to the leaf gate that's what it said in my calendar says you're going to the leaf game and i was like oh well this will be an experience um and that was

you know really that was it she didn't say who else was coming it was just i have tickets and i thought she just had like a pair because sometimes they'll get recognition rewards and sure um you know uh so it was it was yeah it was it was cool and i was in germany recently and i'm in my i had an apartment that i rented for a few days in germany and mains although they call it mines we would call it mains and it was uh i was sitting there and I got this email from your wife. And it was not only inviting me, because I've been invited a few times, but I've never actually had a plus one before. Actually, she said I had a plus one. So I'm actually bringing Monica.

And then I found out you were going. And then the best part is there's a Ford Canada credit card. Am I right about this? Is there a rumor about this? Are we allowed to talk about this? I don't know. Cut it now? And then the best part is there's a Ford Canada credit card. Am I right about this? Is there a rumor about this? Are we allowed to talk about this? I don't know. Cut it now?

It could be. I'm not too sure. All right. We don't know about this. Honestly, my wife tells me lots of things, but she doesn't tell me everything. Because I usually don't eat for three days before, and then I have 12 Haagen-Dazs. Well, the box isn't being open as far as I know. To the back, the luxury? Yeah, the suites because it's a smaller group.

I think there's just a bunch of bloggers that they've invited. Oh, I have to sit with bloggers? I think so. Oh, I didn't know that. I have to bail. I don't know. To be honest, like I said, I am privy to information that needs to be known.

So, you know. You want a need-to-know basis. Yeah, all I know is we're driving down and we're going out for dinner and then we're going to the game yeah i wanted to join you for dinner because i got that invite too but my son has a playoff game and you can't miss that yeah it ends at 5 30 yeah and the timing just doesn't work for me at a seven o'clock but no you can't miss playoffs so yeah so i'm you know what i'm kind of looking forward to it uh you know it's it's going to be be really weird because I know all the ushers. I know a lot of security people.

Just come in disguise. Like, just come in, like, glasses and a big nose. They'll be sitting there going, aren't you supposed to be working, Andrew? If the audio fucks up, are you going to say anything? It's a CBC. No, it's a CBC show. I don't know.

And they never fuck up. No. It'll be RDS. It'll be funny to see if I get, you know, if somebody calls in sick or whatever. If your pager goes off. Yeah, if my phone starts. I'm going to turn that.

That's a good point, you know, and I'm going to turn it off for the game. Turn it off. When was the last time you saw a live sporting event, professional sporting event? I want to say it was 2008 or 2009 at the Madison Square Garden in New York. And it was the Rangers versus the Pittsburgh Penguins. And we were on a day off between doing a game in Jersey and a game in Madison at a Rangers game. And we had a day off and we called up and we got tickets.

So it was great. There it is. Hey, did you hear the news it was great. Oh, there it is. Hey, did you hear the news? Tell me. Speaking of this. Yeah. Because you're the lowest of the low guy. Yeah, so we follow along, you know,

Steve and all that. Yeah. Steven left the band. No, I didn't get this news. Yeah. How come I didn't? Did you tweet about it? No.

I just saw it. And the only thing that is, Steven has never tweeted about it. If you go to the Lost and Loved website, there's a line that said, and this happened in October, and I had no idea. It just said, you know,

after 22 years together, the Loved is not happy to announce that Steven Stanley has decided to leave the band. And that sucks, you know? It does suck. It's a good thing we caught them. When was that at the horseshoe? Two years ago?

Yeah, I think less than two years ago. Yeah, last... We were on different nights. I went on Thursday and you were on Friday. It was the winter previous. Yeah, it was December. Right, right, right. So, you know, I'm...

Well, that sucks. Yeah. You know what? I guess that's it. I guess they're done. Well, that sucks. Love this band. Shakespeare, my butt. That sucks. You know what? I guess that's it. I guess they're done. Well, that sucks. I love this band. Shakespeare, my butt.

That sucks. You know what doesn't suck? That I get to see you Saturday night, leaves and halves. I'm looking for... I get to meet Monica for the first time. Maybe Jarvis. It depends how things go.

Yeah, if I get a text from you that says, FYI, you know, or if she starts getting... Oh, she goes into labor at the game. We'll just deliver there. I'm not leaving. Well, no, you know what? They have a medical person. Just check your contractions, you know.

When it goes to lower than five, you know, squeeze every five minutes, then, you know, I'm ready. And we're close to lots of hospitals. You're right there. It's perfect. Yes. And that brings us to the end of our 72nd show. You can follow me on Twitter at Toronto Mike and Andrew at Stokely Audio.

See you all next week. I don't know what the future can hold or do for me and you, but I'm a much better man for having known you.