Tosh Show - My Favorite Drag Queen - Rock M. Sakura

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

Daniel sits down for a fierce conversation, and learns about all things gender expression and sex work with drag queen Rock M. Sakura.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It really is just as soon as the cameras go on, get your screen time. All right, let's get back to how you supplemented your income. I started doing sex work, because I had a friend that did sex work. Is sex work a nicer way to say prostitution? I mean, you could say prostitution. I think it's more of a fun word. Ta-show!

Ta-show. Ta-show for show. Welcome to Ta-show. It's Valentine's Day Eve. I hope everybody's all horned up, ready for the big day tomorrow. Make sure you store it up. Don't release today. Just keep it all pent up until tomorrow.

Then hit your loved one with all of your goodness. I've got no plans for Valentine's Day. How about you Eddie? Nope, nothing. What are you watching lately? Watching beef on Netflix. I'm already irritated. I'm watching beef on Netflix. I'm already irritated. I'm watching beef on Netflix.

Everybody has to say like, I find it so annoying what you watching and then they say what they're watching and then what platform it's on. I don't know why that bugs me. And then that one seems to be very popular but people always try to say something you've never even heard of. There's too many platforms. Epics. You watch anything on Epics?

Name one show that comes out on Epics. You, uh, hold on, Eddie, you name one person who's watched a show on Epics, and I'll interview him on this podcast. Oh, I'm watching Diarrhea of a Handyman on Roomba. Oh, really? I've never heard of that. No, no, Diarrhea of a Handyman is good. It's on season two on Roomba.

Is it the vacuum? Yeah, yeah, you know, they're producing content now. You should check it out. You know, I watch that Lupine, that French heist show. It combines two things that I find irritating. Magicians and the French language. This guy's always, he's got disguises and nobody ever recognizes him. Not even his wife and kids.

You know, he puts on the crazy makeup and he becomes a different person. Meanwhile, they played with it. He's a black gentleman and they played to the joke that oh, all black people look alike. They've made that reference to that before, that racist stereotype. This guy doesn't look like anyone you've ever seen ever. He has the most unique face, his body is huge, he hunches forward. So anytime he's in disguise, and then just walking around the city as the biggest art thief in the history of the world,

it's like, well, it's that fucking dude right there. Oh yeah, now he has gray eyebrows on, but it's still the same guy It's like when SNL, you know, they've they always have like a 20-something year old cast And then when they dress up like old people, you're just like well, that's just a fucking that's just one of the kids Dressed up like an old person. I'm just I'm just I feel like Lupine should have been arrested old person. I feel like Lupine should have been arrested. Anyway, I don't get it. I don't get it at all. Yet I watch it. Mainly to work on my French. Let me tell you another thing that I watch. I know this isn't a recent release, but I

just watched it. And I only have one thing that I want to talk about. This little mini series hijack on Apple. I only had one problem with it. And it's, it's at the beginning when they kind of, they've got some dirt on the pilot to get him to open the emergency door for the whole thing to take place. He's, he's got to flip a switch to open, open this door, but the co-pilot, a woman is not going to let him. So, and he's like, no, no, I'm going to. And she's like, I'm not gonna let you. So he takes like a metal thermos

and just beats the shit out of her. This is my only problem with the whole show, which none of it is plausible. But this is, why not instead of just beating the shit out of her so that you can flip this switch above your head, You just take one arm and hold her arms and flip the switch. That was my issue with that. Oh, what else?

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Well, that's confusing. I mean, it's not confusing to be a single mother, but stay-at-home and single, that's quite a drain. It's a luxury to stay-at-home and be single. And usually it's one or the other. You don't get both. Whatever. Let's get to it.

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Okay, if you're anything like me and my guest today, you've made a career out of dressing up like a woman. Please welcome the beautiful queen herself, Rock. Oh my god, thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. My first question that I ask all my guests, do you believe in ghosts? I absolutely believe in ghosts. Okay, so I don't know how much background checking you did, but... Not much. Okay, good. I used to live in San Francisco and I lived in an artist's commune with 23 other people.

And it was located in an old converted nunnery. So where nuns lived, where they ate, they drank, they probably died. Masterbated? Most likely, yeah. There were odd stains everywhere. God, that's a hot thought. You think they do?

Absolutely. Really? Yeah, I think so. I bet they don't. I don't think they do it with their hands. I'm sure they just sit on a really rigid chair or something. And just grind it to a pole? Just grind it on the side, yeah. That's more holy sit on a really rigid chair or something. Like just grind it. Just grind it on the side.

Yeah. That's more holy. That's more. Anyway, tell me, so that all these nun spirits were in your building. Oh, okay. So I used to have a room that was next to the old chapel, um, which was like really small, really cold San Francisco. No one believes in central heating or anything like that.

One night I was alone in the space and books started flying off the shelf straight at me, straight at me. I swear to God. And one of them happened to be a Bible. I mean, if that doesn't scare you straight, nothing will. Where are you from? I'm from Santa Clara, so like the Silicon Valley. I know you're not supposed to ask woman or age, but what am I looking at right now?

What do you think? Oh, 32. That's exactly, I'm about to turn 32 in like a month. Right on the head, seriously. What about me reads 32? I don't know, just the experience of Northern California Yeah, that sounds about right. Did you say hella growing up? I? Absolutely said hella growing up. Oh my god rock am I supposed to only call you rock you can call me

So my full name is rock M Sakura. You call me rock you can call me Sakura you can call me rock M You could say anything people call me Shakira because they can't pronounce M. You could say anything. People call me Shakira, cause they can't pronounce soccer. That's fine. Shakira is rich. And you are in your ethnic background is Filipino? Oh, Filipino, Vietnamese. I just did a 23 and me recently. Did it work? Yeah. It came back and it had results.

And I had gonorrhea. So it was like, yeah, it's okay. It happens. Of course it does, but they shouldn't tell you that way. Well, I mean, it was like 30% Swedish and 70% gonorrhea. Gonorrhea. Yeah. Fair enough. I did one of those before.

I just wanted to, I was, I was just hoping that I was something more interesting than I am. What, what was the conclusion? It's just like fucking white. Like just a white. Did it come back and it was just a middle finger straight in your face? Just like you elitist prick.

Like. Steve Jobs. Why is, what the fuck does this mean? You are gay? Ish. Interesting. Let's talk about your childhood for a moment up in Northern California.

What was your childhood like? I grew up in kind of like a mobile home park, so most people would call it a trailer park. Yeah, that's what I'd call it. But I was really heavy into video games. Were you? Yeah, but I was really heavy into Nintendo and like Mario Kart. Oh, so fun. Funny enough, like it translated translated into my adult life.

Like when I was maybe 19, I was playing Mario Kart like competitively. Really? Yeah. Like for, OK. That's very interesting though. That you went into a professional video game playing. Well, it's also too.

The video games also permeate into all of the drag and stuff too. How early on did you say I like dressing up? I started to like dressing up when I was like 24 and I stopped liking it like maybe two years ago when I started doing it for a career. Ah, you know, a friend of mine had a quote and I always loved it.

He goes, I'm lucky enough to get to do something I once loved. I mean, truly, if you guys want to go out there and get your passion, like do the thing that you love, wait for it to die in front of you, in front of your very eyes. When did you come out of the closet? Well, I was kind of like outed

by my Renaissance computer at the time. Because, okay, so here's what it is. You gotta delete your history. I didn't know you had to delete the history, okay? I was like 12 or something. We just, computers just came into the game for everybody. And the whole internet was created for, Poor it.

Okay, so I didn't know how to look up gay men, okay? When you're a kid, this is what you do. You're like, I want to see gay people, gay.com. I want to see men's asses, men'sbutts.com. So that was the search history that my mom found in the computer. Who's sitting on those website domain names? Eddie, is that you?

Yeah, who's got men'sbutts.com? Men'sbutts.com, you had to get in early to get that website. By the way, what do you think of straight doing drag? Oh, I hate them. No, I thought you just meant straight people. Fair enough. Do you hate straight people? No, I don't hate straight people.

What about people that are straight, but they feel like they can only hang out with gay people? Do you find them a little fishy? Yeah, I do. I mean, like a lot of straight men that hang out with gay men, they're fishing for something. They're fishing for compliments,

or you know, like there's a lot of straight men that get validation from gay men or like teasing gay men something about it. How'd you pick your drag name? So my name actually comes from like I was raised by TV rather than actual people and the thing that I related to most was anime. So my name comes from like a like a main character from an anime series from Cardcaptor Sakura. And the Rock M Sakura part is a pun off of Rock M Sakura robots because when I first started doing drag, I was doing a lot of weightlifting and my arms were a lot bigger than this. And so whenever

I would look at myself in a picture, it would be so jarring just how big my shoulders and arms were. I mean if you oiled up right now and started flexing, you would, I can tell that you're in amazing shape. Bring out the oil! Okay, let's go. Now actually anime was wasn't that your first experience in dressing in drag was going to an anime convention? So I went to an anime convention and I cosplayed as a character from Street Fighter named Poison and essentially the outfit. But you only picked the girl because the girls were interesting. The thing is like male characters to me, like a lot of male characters just don't have the...

I just can't relate to them. There's a type of like depth to a lot of female characters that I really appreciate more, you know. Also to boobies are fun when you wear them. A little uncomfortable at times. I mean, they can be if they're really sweaty. Yeah. I dressed and drag almost my entire career. But the original reason that I started is is ridiculous. And most people don't know this story. I was in a relationship with a girl and she was The original reason that I started is ridiculous, and most people don't know this story. I was in a relationship with a girl,

and she was very, very jealous to where it was just like a thing, where it's like, oh, this is gonna be a deal breaker at some point in this relationship, but right now you're too good looking, I'm gonna stay with you. So I would dress as a female I would dress as a female so that I wouldn't have to cast a female to play the part.

Then I would go home and she'd be like, oh, you know, there would just be rage of her jealous of who I worked with that day. That was why I dressed as a woman just so that I didn't have to get yelled at when I went home. It's kind of a similar situation to like Shakespearean except like they didn't like women. Yeah, that's the main difference. That's the main difference. Alright. You good at walking in heels?

Oh no. So what I like to do is I'll step out and then I can't walk in them so I'll just get on the floor. Are you good in heels? No. No? No, but I mean I could pull it off better than most straight guys can. Would you say that your strut is sexy?

I am an eight and a half in women's. Oh, why are you a tiny feet? I know they were bound as a child. Oh. Yeah, lotus foot. I've heard about that. Mm-hmm. They thought that the practice was done, but retro.

Do you wish you had gay influencers on social media to look up to when you were growing up? I hate gay influencers now. I hate them so much. So absolutely not. No, I would love- Would you consider yourself one? Oh yeah.

Okay. I hate myself so much. You have no idea how much, just like I loathe myself. That's not true completely. Not completely. Who is your idol? My idol is, so I read a lot of manga. Do you read manga or watch anime a lot? Okay, so one piece which is getting a live action adaptation soon.

The creator, Ichiro Oda, is my idol. He works so hard just to create something that he really loves and really cares about. And he's goofy, he just like, whenever he creates something, it's just because he likes to do it. Like it's just the story he wants to tell, and I really admire him for that. Is there a difference between cross-dressing and drag?

I would say cross-dressing is more for like straight people and like doing it for like self-sexual gratification. I would say cross-dressing is more of that for me and drag is more of an art form. Drag definitely you can make a career off of it. I'm not sure how much cross-dressing. Let's talk about the financials of your career. When you were living in San Francisco with, I don't know, how many people in the- 23.

23 people. You were doing drag then. Was that paying the bills at all or no? Absolutely not. Okay. How do you make money in drag? Here's how you make money in drag, okay? This is a crash course for you people that are watching.

You put on a wig, you put on a dress, put on shoes, doesn't matter if you can walk in them, okay? One, two, three, put on at least a little bit of makeup, like maybe like a Pinkiesworth, some eyeshadow, and if you go out into a bar and you just lip sync a little bit to a song that you maybe know, you can make two or three dollars, and then maybe backflip.

And that's it. That's the basis of drag. Makeup, wig, shoes, backflip song. And no money. And no money, yeah. So basically for a lot of drag queens, we do drag for like gender expression and we happen to get money at the same time because we perform as well. When I was in San Francisco,

I could definitely not pay my bills with drag. Before I did drag, I was doing, I was working in fast food full time for like 10 years. Oh, it's too long. Oh yeah, absolutely too long. I'm surprised I'm still around, you know? I worked at a Jamba Juice. I would have thrown myself in a blender.

Do you consider Jamba Juice fast food? Yeah, it's fast food. Oh, you know? I worked at a Jamba Juice. I would have thrown myself in a blender if I had the opportunity. Do you consider Jamba Juice fast food? No, it's fast food. Oh, you know you do. Yeah, I think it's fast food if you go to the right Jamba Juice, but everywhere they take like fucking 10 minutes and make your drinks. I'm not talking about the speed of it.

I just meant like, when I think of fast food, I think of McDonald's and the stuff like that, the burgers that are non, I don't think of Jamba Juice. Well, it's not good for you. Jamba Juice isn't good for you, too. The calories too. It's all sugar. It's too much sugar.

Yeah. Now come on, give me back on track. Oh, okay. So your career path, you're in San Francisco, you're not making money, but before that you were not making money in fast food. That was awful. All right, let's get to it.

Quit my job. I moved to San Francisco so I could do drag full time. It was like my aspiration. I thought I could do drag full time and pay for all the bills. Uh-huh. It's an expensive city. It's an expensive city. And for some reason, they only like, they pay the lowest out of any of the cities

that I've been in for like a drag show fee. So like they'll pay like $35 for a show. And like here in LA, they'll pay like a hundred to 125 a show, um, like base. So I kind of had to supplement my income. When you lived with 23 people and the electric bill came in, did you guys split it 23 ways? I had it fixed. So the one person I guess took care of the electricity.

I guess it was like the landlord or something like that. Whatever. All right, let's get back to how you supplemented your income. I started doing sex work because I had a friend that did sex work. Is sex work a nicer way to say prostitution? I mean, you could say prostitution. I think it's more of a fun word.

If you say it like that. Okay. Prostitution. You like, you like, Yeah. Prefer prostitution. I like it. Okay.

Say prostitute. Prostitute. Hooker. Hooker. Whore.itute hooker hooker whore whore Can't be a whore whores don't make money hand job. What's that gonna cost me back in the day? It depends on whether or not I use two hands one hand. Oh one hand. Oh, that's 50 50 bucks are nice one hand An extra one is 25. It's half off. Yeah, that's nice percentage-wise how many men During the sex worker days would you say were straight?

Oh, well, I mean like, I can tell you how many were married. I'm not sure how many of them were straight. Right. Okay, fair enough. Married. Good 90%. No. Wow. I'm the other woman. That's a lot of straight men getting hand jobs. Yeah, well... How long did you actually dabble in the sex work? So I did sex work for about two years

So I was on RuPaul's drag race to get ready for the show You have to get all of these outfits and wigs and everything ready for the competition They give you like a list and you get everything ready And I know some of the some of the girls are mean at some of the other girls if they don't have the best wigs. Oh yeah. So that was like my nightmare if I was gonna go in

and they were gonna like make fun of me or be like, oh, San Francisco drag is horrible and trashy. So we all have to pay out of our own pockets to fund all of this stuff. So I was like, suck and play crazy. I was like, left and right 24 seven. I'd wake up, suck, go to sleep, suck. Do you ever have to eat?

Yeah. To make ends meet? No, I haven't done that. You've never tried it? Oh, I've done it. I have, see this is how you know I'm gay. I got really excited because of the one time I did it. Okay, so I did eat, I did eat ones.

And honestly, people ask me what it's like. And when you explain it to a gay person, it's just like a sandwich you can't swallow. Oh, no, that's not good. You ever make out with an Arby sandwich but you can't swallow it? God, you didn't have to say Arby's. God damn it.

God damn it, you didn't have to say it. The meatnater. Roast beef. Oh. Roast beef. All right, so you have to say RVs. God damn it. God damn it. You didn't have to say it. The meatnater. Roast beef. Roast beef. All right. So you have done it one time. Good for you. Yeah. It was fun. I was like blowing bubbles. Someone said if you do it, just do the alphabet on your tongue. Yeah. That's cute for like a junior in high school, but after that you better bring some A game stuff.

People have sex for free all the time. And we get mad at someone or judge people that have sex for money that are professionals. It's the only time that we look down on professionals and act like monies ruining the integrity of the game. I know, it's so weird. Going from sex work to not sex work, when I have bad sex, all I can think of is, God damn it, I wish I got paid for this. There's people out there,

the same people who are criticizing me, they're having bad sex and they're not getting paid for it. That is a horrible life to live. There was a guy I had a client once. This is just out of nowhere. But he had, I think he had his prostate removed. So he had a prostate cancer. And so he had one of those inflatable penis.

Oh, an inflatable penis. Yeah, it's like one of the balls is a pump. And then it like it. Did Reebok make this? It's balls is a pump and then it like it it the Reebok make this it's kind of yeah it feels like it. You felt it? He was a client. Oh that kind of client. So yeah I had to pump up his Reebok wiener. No way. Yeah and then oh my god and so he he was really convinced in telling me that he could get an orgasm so he wouldn't just be like, oh yeah, I'm gonna, he would look at me straight in the eyes and scream. And I don't know why he would look at me straight in the eyes and go, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Do you know how hard it is not to laugh at someone's face? Sure. Yeah. And did anything come out? I don't think so. Maybe air. This guy's weird. Maybe like a giggle. Yeah, and did anything come out? I don't think so air This guy's weird like a giggle you ever had one of those orgasm where nothing comes out Yeah, like when you're on your sixth time for the day because I just don't want to do anything I've never done that you've never done procrastination to that point. No, no, okay. I have you

I'm glad you got out of it. It was two years But no, I miss it you do not I do miss it It was two years. No, I miss it. You do not. I do miss it. No, you don't. I miss it because the thing is, I really did like doing sex work because of multiple factors. I was in a monogamous relationship for a long time, so I got to explore more of my sexuality. Two, the clients always make you feel so like young and pretty they're like oh my god

You're so beautiful so it was like a good ego boost and I love having sex with older men And that was it that was the norm that it was older men It's usually older men once or twice I've had like younger men and they're like I got to get rid of my virginity. You've been someone's first I've been someone's first. Oh, that's cute. I've been a couple of people's first and then I virginity. You've been someone's first. I've been someone's first. Oh, that's cute. I've been a couple of people's first and then I've never I've never been someone's first. Never?

No, not even your own. Well, no, I got my own. Whose hand was the first on? No, never mind. We don't like we don't we don't talk about him anymore. Yeah. But the danger element of it that obviously that doesn't feel good. I mean, sometimes you drive really fast on the highway and it't feel good. I mean sometimes you

drive really fast on the highway and it feels really good you know what I'm saying. Alright. Yeah so the danger is kind of nice sometimes like you never know where you're gonna go. Did you have a pimp? No I wish. Would you like to be my pimp? No. I don't want you to do that. Because you don't want to wear a hat. No I like hats because I'm losing my hair. And that's nice. Then you don't like canes. Yeah.

No, I don't want a cane. No grill. I don't want a cane. It's one of those. I don't want you in sex work. That seems like it's beneath you at this point in your career. I think what it is is I just, I literally can't go back into sex work

because I've been on TV. If I get back into sex work, I'm gonna get people, I don't know, talk about it, or it's gonna become a big thing. It's gonna intrude on my other career. It's gonna become my career. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it seems like it would help the bottom line,

but whatever. Yeah, oh yeah, it would. Did Grindr put gay sex workers out of business? Absolutely not. No, if anything, we get more work because of it. The thing is with Grinder, like other dating apps is like, you spend so much time on the app swiping and trying to find people and getting someone to come and setting up the date and everything and then it's all free so people can just leave whenever they want.

With doing sex work, it's like, here's the time, here's the place, have sex, we're gonna have sex, and then I'm gonna leave. You were only on four episodes of RuPaul's Drag Race. How did you become so popular just off of those four episodes? It really is just as soon as the cameras go on, get your screen time. Every time the cameras return on,

I would just be a spark of joy. My entrance for Drag Race was I walked out, I said my entrance line, which was all tuck and no play, make Rock'em a crazy bitch. I got onto the floor, did a full Homer Simpson whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop on the floor and jumped on all of the tables in the workroom. Just for fun. Sure. Do you know Alyssa Edwards? I haven't met Alyssa Edwards personally, but I know of her. She's like Drag Race royalty.

I have a good friend of mine. Is she? Alyssa? We just did a show together. But you know what I tell you? Let me tell you something about Alyssa. Four hours minimum. To get ready or waiting for her.

I don't know what she's doing. Four hours minimum. She's baking or waiting for her. I don't know what she's doing. Four hours minimum. She's baking a cake every time she gets ready. Four hours minimum to get her ready. How long does it take you to get ready? Today I got ready in like 30 minutes. Oh man, that's that's. I'm the Auntie Alyssa Edwards.

That is dream, no shade. I love everything about Alyssa. Also great shoulders. Oh yeah, well, cause she's a dancer. I know. But strong. Jesus. Like strong women. I mean, I like weak women too. Yeah, me too. True or false? Drag queens invented contouring. Um, it's true. Is it true? How do you like on Google? Yeah. Yeah. Is Google always right? No. What's what's what's a lie on?

Wikipedia about you is there anything on there that's not true? That's my birthday. Ah good for you I always lie about my birthday so that no one knows exactly when my birthday is I just feel like it's weird You have any tattoos? I don't do you have a tattoo? No, I've got no tattoos. No tattoos I don't do you have a tattoo? No, I've got no tattoos. No tattoos We okay, I don't want would you get a tramp stamp a tasteful tramp stamp for you I would get I would get a tramp stamp that says if you can read this you'll probably get pink eye Okay, see there you go. That's so you would get one. Hey, there's that old Female yeah, she's British. That's a drag queen. Is that allowed? Are there actual women? Are they allowed?

Is she, I was like, is a female allowed to be a drag queen? Oh yeah, for sure. Oh, okay. So this is a contentious topic too. Like a lot of people think that like cis women can't do drag. I don't think they should be allowed to. Like I personally think that anyone can do drag because drag is just like playing with gender, like gender expression. And I think to like take women out of the equation is misogynistic to me.

Beat it ladies. Yeah, get out of there. That's where I stand on. Unless you got a dingaling, you can't lip sync to this Beyonce song. I don't think straight men should do it either. Yeah, I don't think anyone should do it. I think it should just be gay men. I think gay men should do it either. Yeah, I don't think anyone should do it. I think it should just be gay men. I think gay men should have it.

I think that if gay men only had it, it would be a little bit boring. Yeah. Agree to disagree. Now that you have gotten a little bit of notoriety and fame, can you now make a decent living just as a drag queen? Yeah, actually. Well, it's a mixture of drag and social media. So it's the social media influencer that's also like the niche is drag.

There's sponsorships, there's people that do like advertisements with you, there are people who will book you for shows in person. I just did a gig at a college. We did Drag Bingo. I didn't even have to, I barely had to perform. And those kids' tuitions are in my pocket now. You read to the kids?

There's the drag quotes that read. Oh no, absolutely. You don't read to the kids? No, I just don't like children. Do you? They're so sticky. Oh, that's fair. Yeah, and ugly.

Sometimes. Most of the time. They go through phases for sure. Do you wanna be a mother? I would love to give birth. Is that the end of the statement? Are you working out constantly? Yeah, I do work out constantly now. I go to the gym like every other day.

Uh-huh. What gym do you go to? I go to Gold's gym. You get a free membership to Gold's? I don't get a free membership. Gold's, why don't you throw her a free membership? Yeah, throw me a free membership. Do her a solid. Do me a solid.

NetJets, why don't you throw me some free planes too, please? Yeah. You, what do you, what's in your cart right now on Amazon that you need me to purchase for you? I have a three set of brown tights and oh god what is the other one? What's the other one? A weighted blanket for people with anxiety. Have you ever slept with a weighted blanket? It's awful.

Is it bad? I mean to me it feels like you forget that you have it. Then when you wake up in the middle of the night to go pee, you think there's somebody who's holding you down. It's scary. I wanna get a weighted blanket because it's like what those jackets are for dogs when they're going through a thunderstorm.

And I just like having the weight on me like it helps with anxiety Sure, you just want to work out all the time. Yeah, and I even while you sleep. Yeah I also just like I don't have to pee in the middle of the night You don't that's cuz you're you're young you're still a young flower. No, I don't drink any water I've got a large prostate. I can tell you You cannot. I can tell. That's not something you can eyeball. The seat is down here and you're up here. That has nothing to do with my prostate. I can hear it from here.

You can't hear a prostate. If I touch it like this. My doctor goes in and he says it's getting better. And he goes, is this thing on? No, he's never done that. But it does make me get in the baby position, lay on my side, hold my knees up to my chest, and then he goes up my butt.

Wait, really? Uh-huh. Is that what a prostate exam is? Yeah. They go up your butt and just check. Yeah, but you have to be in the fetal position? Yeah. Oh, he does.

He makes me lay in my fetal position on my side. I face out this one sad window and I look out on Wilshire Boulevard. At least you get a window. Some people get your pregnant poster. But for 20 years, I've looked out that window in fetal position and just been fingered up the butt by this guy, this old man, this old doctor. And he's like, oh, yeah, your prostate feels pretty big.

And I'm like, how come none of my friends ever have to get this exam? But imagine if you did that and then you got $200. I mean, you're speaking my language. Can you explain that I want you to take this seriously, unless you don't want to? I mean, you're speaking my language. Can you explain that I want you to take this seriously unless you don't want to? Okay, I'll take it seriously. Jesus Christ.

Can you explain this red state controversy about banning kids from drag shows? Okay, so the whole drag queen controversy right now, basically what it boils down to is drag queens are being used as a way into taking away trans people's rights. So like take away human rights. The thing is that every, every like 10 years they changed the scapegoat, you know, and it just happens to be drag queens right now. Okay. We don't want kids at the drag show that have any money. They're not going to tip. Right. Sure.

They're not going to be like work, bitch. Are you supposed to tip during the entire show? Yeah, okay? Don't touch the girls don't touch the girls and tip what what kind of money am I supposed to be throwing out? Okay, it depends on whether or not you like the performance Well, let's say I like the performance and I want to be respectful and but but what's the amount of money that I Should be handing over I would say maybe a dollar or two. Oh, that's nothing. Yeah, if you really like it, you can give them a five. If you really, really like it, give them a 20.

And if for some reason you are really, really drunk and you want to let them know that you are a sugar daddy, 100. Okay, okay. Now places like Arkansas, Texas, Tennessee, they're the ones passing the anti-drag laws. Mm-hmm. Is that just a refreshing excuse for you to never go there?

When I quit drag, I'm gonna move right there, so I don't have an excuse to get back into it. Where would you, have you ever been to the southeast of our country? Southeast, which way is that? No. You've never been to the Bible Belt? No, I don't like belts. They're not flattering on me. You ever been, you ever been to Mississippi? No, I don't like belts. They're not flattering on me. You ever been to Mississippi? No, I don't think so. Alabama?

I think I would remember. You ever been to Georgia? Yeah, I've been to Atlanta. Of course you have. Yes, I've been to Atlanta. Big trees. Big trees in Atlanta. That's all I remember.

Well said. It was wet. Okay. Are you in a relationship now? I am in a relationship, yeah. Are you happy? Yeah, my partner and I were very happy. That's nice.

I think what it is is as a drag queen, you have to, like, I kind of treat my drag persona as like my daughter. You kind of have to go into a relationship being like, look, I have a child and you've got to, they come with me, okay? If you want this relationship. So if you find someone who's on board and they can love you with that, then keep them. Okay. Don't let them go.

It does ever like prefer you to be in drag and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's this about? When we first started dating, my drag was real crispy crunchy. What does that mean? It did not look good. So if you tried to get an erection, it would not happen. As a gay Asian man who happens to also do drag,

do you feel at all targeted in this country? Mostly by like chasers, I would say. I'd say the main target that I have right now is people who really just want to have sex with drag queens Do you perform at the same place in Los Angeles all the time? It changes. Where do you like to perform here? I like to perform at Hamburgamaries, Ontario and at precinct in downtown LA Like precinct always has interesting names for their shows. They have like bitchin and it's hosted by a girl named bitch pudding.

There's fat slut and it's hosted by a meatball. Fat slut? Fat slut. I don't know if you guys got the fat slut, but it's fat slut. Fat slut. Fat slut. Hosted by meatball. Meatball. Yeah, it's just a fun. It's a very fun. It's a great time. What percentage of your of your week are you in drag? I would say maybe four to five of the seven days I'm in drag at least once, like at least for like an hour or two, which is great for my career.

Like I'm constantly doing stuff and I need to be in drag to do this. Horrible on the skin. Takes years off you. Well, imagine wearing makeup every single, I mean, I guess women wear makeup every single day. But like heavy, heavy, heavy makeup every single day and taking it off is disgusting.

Taking it off, scrubbing your eyes, it just hurts. It's horrible. If you wanna stay pretty, don't do drag. Don't do it. It will age you and you want to stay pretty, don't do drag. Oh, don't do it. It will age you and you will. Eat your skin. Uh, men's butts.com available 12 bucks. It's available.

Let's get it. You get it and you can have men's butts.com. We don't need tossshow.com men's butts.com. That's the new domain. And the first thing on it is we'll say, delete your history kids. I vividly remember what was on that website for gay.com too. It was like, you would click it and then it would be like, it would be an animated like animated Naked Man

with two friends you go. animated like animated naked man with two friends you go. And like it was like a flaccid, very flaccid hairy wiener that would just bob back and forth. I vividly remember it. So if my mom went to that site, that's what she would have seen. You circumcised. I am circumcised. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. They took away my beanie.

What are you gonna do? If I had a genie first wish unlimited foreskin. Really? Yeah. What a waste of your first wish. Oh, are you kidding? You can put anything in foreskin. You wouldn't need pockets ever again.

Or socks. I kid it. Or a sleeping bag. This just seems like you find a genie. I just, I don't even know four skins going to pop into my head. He's going to be just as surprised, but then he'll be like, this is the best wish ever. This makes sense. Yeah. You ever thought about getting into politics? Oh my god. I have been in so many politicians working in sex work. It's crazy. You don't know how many like in the closet

Republicans there are and like Republican radio people there are that just like to have their backs blown out by an Asian drag queen sex worker? So to answer my original question. No, I wouldn't. Okay. What's the name of that tree? Bradford Pear. You know, you ever you ever smelled a Bradford Pear when it's blooming? Is it the cum one?

Yep. Yes, I have. But when my high school growing up had them all around. No wonder. That's what did it. I mean, that's what said it over the edge. By lunchtime, I was like salivating. I mean, you can't have semen trees all around the lunchroom.

Yes, you can. Yeah, I always thought it was funny that that Radford pair was the tree of West Hollywood. Is it really? They're everywhere on all the streets there. That's funny that you knew about the come tree. Everybody knows about the come tree. No, everyone does not know about the come tree.

Really? And I learned about the come tree the old fashioned way. You smelled it. Smelling. I was like, why am I smelling jizz here in West Hollywood? I don't know why. Oh man, the Bradford pair. Well, I appreciate you coming on my show.

It's lovely to get to talk to you and thank you for sharing your story. Well, thank you so much for having me. I think right now I'm going to go and get that domain for men'sbutts.com. OK. And I'm going to go buy a Bradford tree. One of the best shows of the year, according to Apple, Amazon and Time, is back for another round. We have more insightful conversations between myself, Paul Muldoon and Paul McCartney about

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And I'm Jennifer Fessler also from the Real Housewives of New Jersey. I joined the show in season 13. And we host the new podcast, Two Jersey Jays. You know us from the Real Housewives of New Jersey and now you'll really get to know us. We're going to tell you probably more than you want to know. We are going to have lots of fun on this podcast while we discuss what it's really like to be a real housewife and all the drama that comes with it.

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on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. What a great, mature interview. My thanks to Rock for coming by. A lot of you right now are probably wondering, hey, is there a huge wooden circumcised penis in between Carl and Daniel? Yeah, there is. And let me tell you this story, this big wooden dick. Okay? It weighs about a buck fifty. It was given to me in season one of Tosh.0.

A fan found out where we shot the show and came to our offices. We didn't have security back then, walked right in and it's like, I'm looking for Daniel. And then somebody in my office goes, oh, his office is right there. Just in he came with this huge wooden dick. And I was a little upset that he breached our zero security fortress,

but I took it, and over the years it's appeared in dozens and dozens of bits in the background or whatever. But when I got home today, I said, Carly, I just interviewed the best guy, and guess what? He's gonna want our wooden penis stool. I didn't wanna get rid of it until I found the perfect home for it. And I think rock is the one. So I hope you enjoy it as a token of my appreciation for you being on the show.

Okay, now it's time for the big announcement. Remember last week, Carl, I said that I was gonna announce what new casino I would be performing at in Vegas, my new residency. All right, Eddie, give me a drum roll. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Oh man, I will be at the Cosmopolitan. That's right. I'm staying in the MGM family I will be performing at the Chelsea theater there also this week tons of other shows are going on sale I'm gonna be in Sacramento and Fresno, you know about the Dolby. I got some stuff coming up in Kentucky Indianapolis Battle Creek, Michigan the fuck am I doing there? Oh, I'll tell you what I'm doing there.

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