Tosh Show - My Fitness Guy

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

Daniel starts the year off right with a visit from the man who invented p90x, Tony Horton. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey there, I'm Maya Shankar, and I'm a scientist who studies human behavior. Many of us have experienced a moment in our lives that changes everything, a moment that instantly divides our life into a before and an after. On my podcast, A Slight Change of Plans, I talk to people about how they've navigated exactly these moments. Because as we all know, the only constant is change. So let's make the most of it. Listen to A S change of plans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Justin Richmond, host of the Broken Record Podcast.

Join me along with co-hostly arose as we sit down with the artists you love to get unparalleled creative insight. You'll hear revealing interviews with some of the most legendary figures in music, like Paul Simon, Usher, Pete Townsend, Damon Albarn of the Grillets, and Missy Elliott. And you'll hear from up-and-comers, like jazz artist Levy, who told me about her fast rise to fame during the pandemic. Listen a broken record on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Over the past five years, making my true crime podcast,

Helen Gone, I've received hundreds of messages from people asking for help with an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families, and their communities. I'm Katherine Townsend. I've launched a new show on the Helen Gone feed, Helen Gone Murder Line. Every week, I feature a new case and help as much as I can to get the word out

about unsolved murders. Listen to Helen Gone Murder Line on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's your best current health and fitness advice? Consistency is really, I mean, there's a lot of them, but consistency is everything, man. Because everybody else is just surviving, doing the basics, but anybody else who's training on a regular basis, they get to have a much more interesting life. Like my wife and I went to Italy, and we got on a bike tour for four and a half hours. So she's into it too.

Not as much as me, no. I would have loved it if you're like, no, no, no, she's morbidly obese. She's just happiest can be. I'll say it if you're like this. Just happiest can be. No, she's huge Tosh show

Tosh show Tosh show show welcome to Tosh show We're back Did you miss us? Eddie how are you doing good happy new year? Happy happy new year to you 2024 sucks. Already what happened? I don't.

I'm going to talk about gambling for a second. Okay. Here are your people say like, oh, do you have a gambling problem? You know, who doesn't have a gambling problem? People that win. You lose. You lose a bunch. Yeah, then you get up.

Then you have the problem. But it's just it's seen that doesn't seem fair. It seems like if you lose a bunch, yeah, then you get up, then you have the problem. But it just, it's, that doesn't seem fair. It seems like if you win a ton and you're gambling constantly, that's the problem. Whether you win or lose shouldn't affect it. But the reality is, no one's ever in a gambling anonymous meeting. I just win too much. I got to find a way to stop this. It's affecting my life, all this winning.

Anyway, people get annoyed with bad beats, but this is what I'm gonna do. I don't have a gambling problem. I should know because I'm around from almost all my bets. Sometimes I call and bets have people play some for me, but what are, so here's the bet that I made.

It was basically over three days. This is a five leg parlay, okay? Now I'm going to take the amount. It's not staggering, $100. That's an acceptable bet, right? Okay, here's what I bet. Missouri Tigers, barely in the SEC to beat the Ohio State Buckais. Yet plus 150 on that.

I say Missouri is going to do it. Heck of a year, I'm like the buckais are going to fall easy money. My next bet was the Georgia Bulldogs versus the depleted Florida state seminals. Who got hosed? But let's be honest, there's no way a third string quarterback was going to do any damage in the playoffs. But whatever, I took the over on that. The line was 45.

I think Georgia put up 170. So that was easy. Next bet, Oregon ducks by 16 and a half over Liberty. Those Christians, I was like, they're undefeated, but they're Christians and they've got no place in football. Oregon ducks hammer them, I got that. Okay, then this game was a bit of a sweat, the Alabama Michigan game, Jim Harbaugh,

versus Nick Sabin. Oh, who do you hate more? What did I bet? I bet Michigan. I was like, I hope Michigan can cover one and a half and I got a little lucky over time and they did. I got issue with Harball. I'll tell you about it some other time. You want me to tell you now? He once said that any of his players, if they were going to have their girlfriends get an abortion, that he would rather them just give them the child and he would raise it. And that was insane to me. Like I just, I literally pray at night that thousands of student athletes get their girlfriend pregnant

and give their kids to the Harbol, as Harbols, and they have to raise them all. And then I hope they grow up to be buck eyes. Okay. Okay. Now my last leg. Oh man. What is it?

It's Washington versus Texas. Texas is favored by four. I bet Texas. Oh! The whole time I was furious. I see Matthew McConaughey on the sideline and I'm just furious. I fucking bet the wrong team. You could tell in the first few minutes, like, oh, this isn't going to work.

Put that manning kid in. Anyway, so I lost because of that last bet. Now technically, when you have a big parlay and it's starting to come in and you're on the last bet, you should go bet the other team, the opposite of your bet, to cover your losses if you do lose, but whatever, I didn't do that because I only wanted to win the full amount, which was $3,352.5.

And the first thing you're supposed to do to make sure you don't have a gambling problem, you're not supposed to chase your losses. So what do you think I did? Do you think I bet another hundred dollars on something else? No, that's not. I chase the winnings that I lost. I put $3,000 down on Washington plus covering the over in the national championship game.

How you like them? Huh? Yeah. I may have a problem. Whatever. Who cares? None of your business. What I gamble while I'm telling you so that I guess that makes it your business.

How's Aaron Rogers doing? Huh? What's he up to? All right. Oh, man. You know what? I would, uh, they're always worried about these, they talk about Hollywood just is invested with pedophiles.

Do you guys know any pedophiles? No. No. Me neither. I guess that's why I always think it's so funny when people say it. Oh, you oh, you're in that Hollywood world. What do you talk? I don't know.

Eddie here, got two kids, a wife, John back there. He's got two kids, a third on the way. Everybody I know is normal. I think the problem is people, you know, you live in a big city. You find a handful of people that are normal and you hang out with them. And if you don't hang out with them, you're the pedophile, I guess. I don't know where these pedophile groups are hanging out. Well, that's a way, you know, be funny if this list comes out.

And I'm on it. Oh, that would be awesome. That's why I never take photos with fans after shows. I don't know which one of you is a fucking pile of shit. I don't want to meet you or talk to you. Anyway, any New Year's resolutions, Daniel. Hmm. I do have resolutions. I don't like to discuss them. They're mainly financial. You know, be a richer husband, be a richer father, be a richer podcaster, a stuff like that, you know, the important stuff.

No, I certainly don't care about my body. That'll never be a resolution. Oh, this is the year. No. I know a lot of people care about that stuff, but it's already the second week of January. So what's done is done. You'll like today's guest, though. He's responsible for getting millions of doey white dudes who are too lazy to go to a

gym ripped. Enjoy. Hey there, I'm Maya Shankar, and I'm a scientist who studies human behavior. Many of us have experienced a moment in our lives that changes everything. A moment that instantly divides our life into a before and an after. On my podcast, A Slight Change of Plans, I talked to people about how they've navigated exactly these moments.

Something died in me that day. It never came back. I'm so grateful that something you did emerge. A new me emerged. A new me was born. I also talked to experts on the science of change about how we can live happier, healthier lives. These momentary experiences of all, they tend to through their challenges to your belief system, help us be more resilient. Because as we all know, the only constant is change. So let's make the most of it. Listen to a slight change of plans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

your podcasts. Hey, this is Justin Richmond, host of the Broken Record Podcast. Join me and co-hostly arose for in-depth creative conversations with the artist you love. Over the past five years, we've interviewed some of the most legendary figures in music, like Paul Simon, Ferrell, Damon Albarn, Andre III Thousand, and Usher. And you'll hear from rock icons like Pete Townsend, who shares wild stories about his formative years with The Who, and Johnny Marr, the legendary guitarist and co-founder of The Smiths, who has an unwavering devotion to his craft.

Or the stories behind the legendary hits Babyface wrote for Whitney Houston and Madonna, plus how he collaborates with the new generation of R&B stars like Kailani and Dogey. Listen a broken record on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. The token record on the iHeartVideo app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear of all. And for millions of Americans, there is no greater unknown than what to do when faced with an Alzheimer's diagnosis. My name is Dana Torito, and my podcast, The Memory Whisperer, takes a closer look at Alzheimer's disease and those affected by it.

Like many of you, I've experienced the disease firsthand. I've been an advocate and care partner for decades and have written extensively about the subject. Each week, I'll talk to people who've been personally affected by the disease and learn how they cope with it. Folks like TV personality Lisa Gibbons, Action is the antidote for fear. And nursing dementia researcher, Dr. Feyron Epps. We no longer can be silent. We have to be what we have to share our experiences,

so we can help each other and learn from each other. Listen to the Memory Whisperer on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. My heart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Pasha! My guest today created the most popular home workout program of all time. He's a celebrity trainer to countless stars, and yet I still refuse to let him help me. Tony, thank you for being here. Pleasure to be here, man.

All right, first question, I ask all my guests. Okay. Tony, thank you for being here. Pleasure to be here, man. All right, first question, I ask all my guests. Okay. Tony, do you believe in ghosts? Absolutely. Oh, god damn it. Well, only because I've had very close friends experience them in their homes. But you never experienced it.

Ashtray, on a mantle, Slidoff came down and shattered in a billion pieces. We live in California, stuff falls constantly. Oh, all right. Maybe my friends are full of shit. I have to get new friends. But as anything ever happened to you were like, this is obviously a ghost. No. See? All right. Just so you know, I've never had a trainer in my life. I've never worked. I don't work out. I've never trained. Well, you're a German and you're physical. I'm very physical. Yeah, so you get it a different way. Right, I exercise, but I've never, I never know what I would do. I have a, a, a role machine.

It was great. I do that at night while watching like a, a sport, a game that's DVR'd so I can, um, plow through it. Yeah. I do intervals. Well, there you go. And that's it.

So you figured all that on your own. You didn't need a guy like me or one of my programs. Yeah, but here's my question to you. I've never worked out. I'm 48 years old, I think. Could my body get in six months? Could I get just three months? Four months. Could I get ripped ish? Absolutely. Do I need to do steroids? Absolutely not. But should I? to shit. Absolutely. Do I need to do steroids? Absolutely not. But should I? Absolutely not. Could I look like Chris Hemsworth? That would take longer. How long? About nine to nine months to a year. And I could literally, but you'd be miserable. You'd be so miserable. Sure. Because it's not in your DNA. Yeah, but I would leave my wife and I was just fucking going to tear. You'd be something. You'd go viral. Oh, that's a thing. I always think it's funny when actors do this.

When they like for a role, they get jacked. And then when they go back to not being jacked, their bodies, something looks off. It's like, oh, you look, your body reattached to that. You don't want this world. You don't want to be really fit in that out of fit. Because a lot of it is psychological and mental too, because you're doing all this world. You don't want to be really fit and then out of fit. Because a lot of it is psychological and mental too, because you're doing all this stuff. You've got this discipline, you've got this plan, you've got a trainer or whatever method you're trying to get there.

And then it goes away, and then you're not the same person that you were. Your personality changes as you go through those massive changes. So I've been fairly fit for almost 40 years. So this morning I worked out, I did 24 sets of just pull-ups and push-ups with some buddies of mine and 24 sets of pull-ups and push-ups. So 12 and 12. Total how many pull-ups did you do?

The pull-ups today were 13 pull-ups and 23 push-ups every single time. The routine is called the challenge out of one of my workouts. It's easy because it's just all body weight and gravity and you just go as hard as you can. I used to do pull-ups, I used to do pull-ups, but then I don't like that it would put calluses on my fingers. Oh, that's weird, but okay. What do you mean weird? That's so cares. You don't care. I like to. When people shake my hand, I like them to know that I've never worked. Shake my hand, how's that feel? Feels all right, right? Yeah, like how loose I go? That's weird. Yeah. My calluses weren't weird for you, were they? Yeah, I call loose I go. That's weird. My calluses weren't weird for you, were they?

No, I mean, they weren't weird, but I feel like you maybe you've just built up some tolerance. I have. You shave your arms. I do. Okay. I do. I shave everything.

Oh yeah. Why do you do it? I don't know. I cleanliness is maybe worse. It works cool. It looks better. I have chest hair, I, I, cleanliness is maybe worse. It works cool, it looks better. I mean, I leave, I have chest hair, but I still, but I do, I shave down the arm, not shave the armpits, clippers with no guard.

So it basically goes away, but it's, yeah. And then I leave the armpits alone for the most part. I don't like it. I don't like it when your arms are down and you see a tough hair right now. Oh, I don't, thank God, I don't have tuffs. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Do you actually enjoy working out? Most of the time, no. Okay. No. But I like the way it makes me feel. It allows me to ski hard and climb well and. Ski hard, snow ski? Snow ski, yeah.

I love skiing. I do too. When you're flying down a mountain going so fast, I think it's so hysterical because, like if something were to go wrong and my body is starting to like roll, it's just, I just know that it would just be disastrous. But guess what? I still do it every year.

I still fly out of control speeds through woods. Through the trees. I'm just in the trees and I'm like, a few years ago I hit a tree so hard, snapped it. It was probably only about this big, but snapped it, it was just brutal. I'm just laying on the ground screaming,

going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And then, but eventually you have to just get up and go down the hill. Yeah, go, go, get somebody to drag it down. No, I was deep in the woods. Nobody was anywhere near us. This was, I was the top. Well, this bad season, somebody hit me so hard.

It dislocated the ligaments in my collarbone, just skiing. Or punching. Skying, he just, he blindsided me. I didn't see me and I went down. That was painful. Where'd you go skiing? Where'd you like to go? I live in Tahoe.

Oh, which mountain? In Tahoe. I mean, I don't want to tell people my home mountain, but it's Alpine. Yeah. Mines Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Nice. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to tell people my home mountain, but it's Alpine. Mine's Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Nice. Yeah, I love it there. Alpine.

Great. Well, Alpine got re, you know, it's part of Palisades, which got also gotten reared. Which was squat, but that's a derogatory turn for Native American girl. And so, and then the locals there, they're just like, well, I'm always called squat. I'm like, well, why? Why not just say, oh, I didn't know that. and okay, if now I'm learning something and I can change sure I don't have a problem calling it pal. I like pal. I say a great name. Sure. Yeah, but you have to turn on squad drive

Do you really? I think so. Oh my god. They have a lot of streets to change. There's a lot There's that's amazing. Where are you originally from? Born in Rhode Island, but grew up in Connecticut. East Coast. How's growing up in Connecticut? Okay. Where are you from? I mean, I lived everywhere, but Florida is kind of where I moved from.

We lived everywhere too. My father was in the Army and moved from... My dad would just get fired. That was mine too, a little bit. So he just fined a new job. And I was just like was mine too a little bit. So he just fine a new job. And I was just like that too a little bit. No, he said he was getting transferred, but I don't know that that was actually true.

I didn't know his kid either. That's funny. Yeah, yeah. Yes, we moved six times before fifth grade. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. 13 times before I was 12. Damn. Wow.

And country's like four or five different countries. Maybe your dad was a criminal or something. I mean, he was he worked for the church This is okay. Well For a long time he worked for the church then you got into it worked at McDonald Douglas I believe oh and then he worked for NASA but human resources he wasn't a rocket scientist My dad was a was a plastics engineer just like the graduate. Uh-huh. He worked for Ohnscording fiberglass and engineer, just like the graduate. You know, he worked for Ohn's Corning fiberglass

and companies like that. Were you physically gifted as a child? Not even close, no at all. Could you fight? No. Did you ever get in a fight? I got in lots of fights. What do you mean, lots?

People beat me up. For real? Was that just the neighborhood I had a time? It was the neighborhood. It was the kids in the neighborhood. I had a speech impediment which made life difficult. What was the speech impediment may ask? Something called cluttering. Uh-huh. Just talking really fast in the world's all the words all piling up on top of each other And then the stammering would come so they would make you know kids. Oh look. There's a flaw

Let's make fun of them and push them around. I think I got into comedy because of my hatred of bullies Oh, wow. I probably got fit because of it. Did you win any of the fights? No. No, I did not. Not really. I was about to get beat up once and I got really loud and took on a posture and the kid back down.

Oh. He back. I was like, this kid, Nick Vancho, wherever you are, buddy. Let me tell you about TJ Miller. What about it? No, it was a TJ Miller real person, that's a comic. All right, not that guy. This guy, TJ in St. Louis, Missouri, he was new, moved in, and all of a sudden

he's just like, sort of fighting everybody in the neighborhood. He was like, it was this was sixth grade. I went to Sparing Middle School. And it was like a guy that like, read the book 101 on going to prison. Like you just fight everybody day one. Anyway, he came up to me in the cafeteria and just punched me in the mouth and I didn't do anything. And this like girl was standing next to me and she's like, what, why do you do that? And I'm like, I don't know. And but I didn't hit him back and I didn't fight

because I didn't want to start fighting because then I would get in trouble. So, it's the one time in my life that I really, I feel like I was in a fight, I got punched and I didn't do anything. Were you in many fights? No, no, no, never. That was really kind of the one, huh? Which is weird because I've always like, wasn't afraid to say horrible things to people

if I felt like I was attacked. That's why I used to get in fights. I would say to something to poke at somebody, which was stupid because I'm instigating, getting my own ass kicked. But you know, they were just bullies and I felt like they shouldn't get away with it. When you leave Connecticut.

1980. 1980. How old are you? I'm 65. Man, yeah man. You look great for 65 I guess I don't know you live in LA yeah you should look good lighting and here's great my wife put the makeup on and this is who I am you what about your hair you've all you've always had good mind I've good hair it this is the color that it grows out I do die this part of my beard though what

I can any work physical reconstruction in your body at all. This is just me. You never have to face. Nothing on purpose. You never had the face yanked on or anything like that. No yank, man. That's why I grow the beard to kind of cover its laws in there. Neck don't lie. Neck don't lie, baby.

That's just, yeah. That might get done one of these days. You can't, I don't think they can do it properly. Well, yeah. Well, I have a friend whose mom did it, she looks ridiculous. Like, who's your guy? Who, I want to know who your guy is, she looks ridiculous. And I say, who's your guy? Who I want to know who your guy is. But I don't think I'm there yet.

Is life, hey, enjoying it, or do you, are you somebody that's always looking back on the past? Do you think, no, the best years are to come? I've had good years. I had 20 years with one company, making all my workout programs that came to an end, unfortunately, and I had to kind of reinvent myself. And the reinvention process has been hard.

You know, I mean, it's been a struggle, but, you know, we've had some more wins than losses. So I feel like I'm very fortunate. First of all, so you moved out here in 1980. Oh, man, talk about the cocaine. There was some. There was some. There was a lot of weed and there was a lot of beer. Uh-huh.

And there was some vodka. Ah! But I stopped all that about 30 years ago. You moved out to Los Angeles to chase your dream. What was your dream? I wanted your life. What oh wow. Oh yeah, I wanted to do stand up and movies and TV and yadda yadda.

I modeled Little and I did some commercials and I had bit parts and some movies. But I wasn't ambitious. I attempted stand up for a couple of years and it was a bear, man, it was really, oh, let's see, Horton, you get 11.30 and you get there at six o'clock and you're sitting around, talking to other wannabe comics,

I mean, you probably know the drill. And you're up there and there's four people left and there's shit faced and you go, oh my God, here we go. And you get your six minutes. And then we do showcases me at about five others, which you know, you pack the room with your friends. And a lot of my stuff was very physical and irreverent and probably stuff you can't even do anymore.

What were some of the odd jobs you took on as soon as you came out to LA? Well, I was a street performer. I was a kind of an x-rated mime. So I go down to the Santa Monica Pier, I go into Westwood or UCLA and I get my hat out and I make 25, and I do that a couple of times a week, so I could eat. You were an ex-rated man. Yeah. Not always. I mean, I did the box, and I walked in the wind, and all that other stuff. But a lot of it was, you know, imaginary women

that were like in front of me, and I, you know, and there'd be another one, another one. It was pretty good. What people like, steer their children away from you? Yeah, a lot of them would. Like, would, out on the pier, that didn't go well. But up like, if I did a show, right? I just play nine inch nails and I turn it up and I'd go crazy and do that.

What was a show for what? Like showcases like little, you know, you did be a Monday night and me and my five friends would rent a bar because it was a slow night and we talked to the owner and whatever we would do that. And we'd invite all our friends and we would do our do our acts. This is interesting here. I didn't even know that was a thing. There was. I don't know if it is now, but it was. invite all our friends and we would do our door acts. This is interesting here. I didn't even know that was a thing.

There was, I don't know if it is now, but it was. I wonder how much you could make down in Venice right now. I always would quit when I had about 25 bucks. I just couldn't, because you're down there, I mean, when you're performing for food to survive, it's not the same as if you're just doing it because it's your gig and you're having fun with it. It wasn't fun.

It was, you put the makeup on, It's 95 degrees. I got all black on and a vest and a hat and yada yada. And most people, it was the 95 degrees down in Santa Monica. Maybe not the 80s. No, but no, it never was. It's still not. Not even. It's a comfortable 82. Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. At least you weren't the guy in the silver? Yeah, I hear it. It's too much. All right, so how did you get into, you know, the whole working out craze of everything? So I was at that point, one of the many jobs I had, I was a runner over at Fox a PA.

And I was working for a guy by the name of Harlan Goodman, who used to be a music guy. And I'm on the lot and, you know, whatever. I'm feeding the cats, I'm hiding the weed, I'm making the coffee, I'm delivering the scripts, whatever I did, that was my gig. And he was noticing my transformation. He's like, holy shit man, you look,

in the last three months you look totally different. Can you help me? I wasn't a trainer, I didn't know what I was doing. I just, I went to my buddy's garage. He had some dumbbells in there. And so I had trained Harlan, and he lost about 45 pounds. And I went, maybe I'm a trainer now, shit.

And so I trained him a few others. And then he went back to music because he and Julia could make a movie to save their life over at Fox. And Tom Petty was walking down the hall and saw Harlan and said, holy shit, you, this is my Tom Petty, by the way. You look fantastic.

I'm fat, I'm going on tour, can you help me? So Harlan told Tom Petty to call me. Uh huh. So Petty calls me up. My roommate Bob picks up the phone and we had buddies downstairs that were jokesters and he goes, dude, there's somebody downstairs you know, effing around saying, they're Tom Petty.

Go hang up. So Bob hung up on Tom and then he called back and I went to his house the next day and started training Tom and I had him for four months. He went off on tour, he got ripped and strided and tore all the sleeves off his shirts and everybody went, what the hell happened to Tom Petty? And that was how it got started.

That's amazing. I'm a fan of Tom Petty and he's a gainsville guy. Was, yes, RIP. He doesn't strike me as somebody that would have cared about his body. Well, because he saw Harlan's big change, right in front of him, in a hallway, at Eastern Management, he was like, okay. And I went to Tom's house the next day, and he put it out the cigarette and said,

I don't work out, I don't know what am I supposed to do. So I got him a bench, I got him a life cycle, I got him a heavy bag, I got him some dumbbells. And we just, you know, we went, and we just bullshit and train, and he was horrible. The first month, he didn't know what he was doing. He was like a noodle, you know, but then he just got into it

You know, I mean, I didn't I'm not a drill sergeant. I'm not your therapist. I'm just your buddy here trying to help you get through this How long is Tom Petty working out four months? How many hours? We were there hour hour 15 every every day five days away five days of my day through Friday Yeah, I was training for 32 years. I don't know Really? Yeah, that's impressive. years, I don't know. Really? That's impressive. I mean, the fact that he wanted to work out confuses me.

Well, you know, Oh, did you work on his diet and everything? Did you know about that kind of stuff? I mean, I'm not a nutritionist, I'm a endocrinologist. I just made mine. I made, I was a mind-training top editor getting him ready for a worldwide tour.

Right, that's what I'm confused by. Like like how did you know how to do this stuff? Because I had been exercising for years, you know, I mean, I went to world gym in Venice and there's Lou Faringon and Arnold and I would just like spy on everybody. Everybody who looked really fit and lean and I do my own research too. I mean, this is before the internet even existed. So I had to go into the library and get books and read about kinesiology and exercise science and see a smart person. Not really.

I mean, you figured that stuff out. I just, I thought, hell, this is better than doing my mom on the pier. This is better than, you know, go-go dancing, a chip and Dale. This is better than building furniture. This is better. What about you, a chip and Dale?

I was a go-go dancer, not a performer, not a rig. I was at a different, when the club closed, I'd get in a box about this size and I would dance dance or not a performer, not a rig. When the club closed, I'd get in a box about this size and I would dance on the box. There's nothing wrong. I don't feel it. I felt like as that came out, I needed a whisperer. I don't know why, I just feel.

All right, so from the day your agent said, hey, skinny pudgy boy, two training Tom Petty was how many years? Maybe a year, maybe only about a year. I mean, that's impressive then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, all right. So did you tell him how to eat and stuff?

I made suggestions. I said, hey, look, part of the problem is what you're eating. So the little I know about it is, let's just make a, I made a list of the things you should avoid as a whole, and then all the way down to things that were sort of neutral. Like, yeah, you can have these things once in a while to just foods, vegetables, whole grains,

and lean proteins and healthy fats. So I just gave him a list of foods, and he had his own chef, right? He had his own people. So they were making, they made a little shift, and that was part of his success, for sure. Where was he living? Where was he living?

Woodland Hills, up in the hills, looking into the valley. How nice was the place? It was, you know, big, long driveway gates open up, but boom, gold records and platinum records on the wall looking into the valley. How nice was the place? It was, you know, big long driveway gates open up, but boom, gold records and platinum records on the wall. I got a short driveway. I have a real short driveway. And I always hated that about it.

The property I went with, no one's impressive. Like, oh, the gate opens and it's like, you can just fit a car on the other side of the gate. And that's not impressive. Not as, no Not as, the long ones are great, man. Right, no one's telling a story about my driveway. Yeah. Bruce Springsteen. Yes. You trained him?

Yes I did. Was he a bitch on leg days? That's a great question. No, no, he was into it more than I was actually. Is it not fun if the person despises it? Oh, I mean, I can name names, but holy crap. I mean, you're just babysitting sometimes. It's brutal for some, because you know, they...

Well, to me, that's why you would like, if I was motivated, I wouldn't fucking need you. It's just, here's the, you say you like the way working out makes you feel at the end. That's always been my problem. Working out or any exercise where it's just an exercise just makes me sleepy. Oh wow. I just get tired. I just get tired. I just get tired.

Probably because your body reacts that way when it's not used to it. But then after a while that starts to go away. It goes, you go from sleep to energize, especially if you're adding good warm-ups, good cool-downs, you're not over-training, you're not lifting too hard, you're not trying out, you know. Do you need to stretch before you work out? A lot of people do, some people don't. Oh, great answer. Yeah.

I mean, if you're a former gymnast or a ballerina, you don't need as much usually. Yoga, where are you at on yoga? All the time, every Friday, hour and a half. It's so important. How did you come about inventing the P90X, the whole thing? I want to hear about that. Well, I had been, you know, I was working a little bit and I was working with Nordic Track going back and forth to Minneapolis.

I had a show on the Playboy channel called Playboy 360 where I was the host. So I was a three camera show with teleprompters and a co-host. So I was learning how to, you know, be more comfortable in front of a camera, in front of an audience, all that kind of a thing. Did you get to have sex with a playmate in a lifetime? No, I, there was one that I used to view in college who ended up being my makeup artist on the show. Like, so here she is in front of me.

Okay. But I was dating somebody. I was dating somebody the whole time I worked there. So you've never dated a plane mate in your life? I did, I did. I like that. It was nice. Sure.

Yeah. You go back to that in your role of that. No, not that one. I don't go back to that one. You go back. All right. So you're doing Nordic track. Yeah.

And so I was just, you know, getting better at that kind of thing. That was a dumb machine. No, it was silly. It was silly. It was on the rollers. Yep. And it was just this over. Not with silly. It was silly. The wood was on the rollers. Yep. And it was just this over and over and over again.

But whatever, it was a gig. So I would fly to Minneapolis about six or seven times and I would be there on camera spokesperson, dude. And then that was an experience and I had that show where it helped me out. And then one of the gigs was just this young entrepreneur that said, hey man, I'd like you to be the main trainer in this really inexpensive little thing called Great Body Guaranteed. It was a $2,000 gig and that was that.

And then we put it out into the world. And then people noticed it started making money. So he said, let's do another one, which is kind of rare because most things that end up on an infomercial die. Oh, okay. So we did something called Power 90. He gave me some time to develop that. And he said to me, like, when you're working with petty or idle or Bruce or any Linux or

whatever these types, can you recreate that in front of a TV without all the extra accoutrement? What just the dumbbells and some bands. And so, yeah, sure, it's a gig. I'll figure it out. And I did. And then that thing, I lived in the same apartment for 21 and a half years, and that power 90. 21 and a half.

Was it rent controlled? 1438, 15th street, Santa Monica, rent controlled apartment. Car got broken too, like at least twice a month. It was, you know, it was the hood, sort of where I was. Well, the nicest of hoods, but yes. Yeah, yeah. And then power 90 came out and I was getting royalties at that point.

And I was able to move on and get a real home. And after that, we thought, like, what's next? And then, you know, I thought it was a bad idea making power 90 harder. And we said, let's call it P90X. Let's add pull ups. Let's add martial arts. So he gave me a full eight months to develop that program.

And when we first put it out there, it died because people went, oh, we crap, that's way too hard. I'm not gonna do that. But then there was this, these devotees, it went, oh, shit, that thing is real. And they started submitting it before and after pictures in their own little video.

And we took that footage and their photos and we put it in the infomercial. And it went from, and it was on every channel 24 hours. Now, were you, did you have a stake in this? Yeah, I had, well, I got development money. And I also got, I got a piece of the pie every month. I get a check every month. Jackpot, would you say P9EX? Apparently it was the biggest fitness program in history.

Something like that. Well, if it makes you feel a bit, in my office, I'm back in the day, there was one copy of it that we all pirated it. Yeah, a lot of pirated. It was, it was at one point for whatever some six month period of time It was the single most pirated DVD in the world. That's something and I would sign them and I go that's I go that ain't That's pirate I could tell I used to go to DC and train all the senators in congressman when I was there I used to go to the Pentagon and train folks there and they go hey, can you sign my thing? I go Congressman. This is this is a pirated copy during the the PE X thing, let me just get a few of these right here. We had a Crunchy Frog, Super Skater, Spin Squad.

Looking back, do you wish you would have spent a little more time coming up with names for these exercises? Yeah, okay, well, most exercises are called like letissimus dorsi, you know, lat poles. And the most traditional names were dull. And I would add names because I go, this name sucks, I've got to get a better name here. What about people that did these workouts

in their apartments? And a lot of people who live below were very unhappy. I've heard those stories a lot. It seems like a nightmare. Yeah, I mean, plyometrics, for example, which is just jumping. So you're just, for an hour, people, or taking the broomstick and going, stop. Is every door frame a gym to you?

Was that an intended spit take right there, almost? Not everyone, no, because some art's strong enough. Right, that's what I wanted. That one wouldn't hold up. Did you ever get like sued for people? Yeah, lots of them from their doors. We had a few lawyers who were working really hard a few times, yeah.

You can just hang from any door? No, no. The device that we created was pretty unique, pretty special, but it didn't work on every door, no. Here's my thing with Polps too. If I can touch the floor, I will. You know what I'm saying? You've got to bend your knees so you know what I'm saying.

I'm not going to do that. Why not? Because it's just like when people go running and obviously you're like, oh, I don't want to run anymore. So I just stop running. Or wash, or walking. Right. It's like, I need to be, for me to do pull-ups properly, I need to be hanging off of a building. So you're an all or nothing guy, right?

Right, if there's no consequences, it seems stupid not to just put your feet down. So you're getting a taller doorway then. Seriously, did you feel that P90X was kind of the precursor to CrossFit? Absolutely was. I didn't mean it to be, but that's what happened. A lot of people who went through P90X felt like,

oh wow, look who I am now, I got really fit. And a lot of people did P90X2345 15 times. And then a lot of those folks all made their way over to CrossFit. And the bummer about CrossFit for a lot of folks, as they started getting hurt, is CrossFit stupid? For some people, it saves their life. For some people, it's amazing and incredible and the community and all of that. It's great, but a lot of people end up getting hurt

because they're just overdoing it a little bit, you know. Do you flip a tire? Is that your thing? I've not in my thing. I don't have a tire, I don't flip tires, but when I took a class, here I am, flip and tires. Where do they get all these old tractor tires from? I don't know.

You ever gotten inside of a tire and rolled down a hill? You want to talk about a rush. Have you, you've done it on your show? Well, no, I've been in tubes before and went and rolling down a hill. You want to talk about a rush. Have you? You found it on your show. Well, no, I've been in tubes before and went and rolling down a hill as a kid. That was so much fun. What about the shake weight? Do you ever try it? No, you never touched one. You never didn't seem silly to me.

Oh, I mean, you could mime that thing perfectly. I just did. Dumber exercise, the shake wake or the thymaster? I was in the thymaster commercial. That was one of my first jobs. The original ones? The original ones. Oh wow.

Yeah. Fuck Mary Kill. Suzanne Summers, Body by Jake, Billy Blanks. Oh God. For you. No, it's not an easy question. Suzanne Summers, which one? Which one?

The one I would have sex with. Yeah. Well, you can have sex with your wife Mary. You could marry her. You don't pick her to marry? I'm already married. I was one of the one I would have sex with. Yeah, well you can you can have sex with your wife Mary's you could marry her You will you don't pick her to marry I'm already married. I would know this isn't this is hypothetical All right, so you're gonna fuck Suzanne Summers. Okay, then which one are you marrying body by Jake or Billy blanks? I'd have to I'd married Jake and I'd kill Billy. Oh, man. RIP Billy. Where do you feel how do you feel about steroids? It's it's It's just trouble.

The future is going to be a problem if you're going to be doing that. What about Venice Beach in the 80s when you saw Muscle Beach? Like, you saw everything. Yeah, it was all going down. And still, they're still being abused today. Sure. It's all about ego and looks. And when you exercise, it's Norepinephan Dopamine serotonin, something called brain-derived

neurotropic factor, BDNF, which gets released out of the temporal lobe of your brain. And when I read this book Spark by Dr. John Raidie years ago, I was like, oh, shit, this is why I should be working out now, not because of all the, not because I'm chasing girls or trying to have big arms or any of that silliness. The chasing girls part, that, that, see, that's where I always, I always, but they didn't care about that. They cared about, no, no, You were funny, you were smart. That's why, you know.

Exactly. That's where I want to be with you. The reason I never worked out was because the women that I was attracted to, I could get. If I couldn't get them, if they were like, no, you're not strong enough to date me, I would have gotten stronger. Oh, wow. Do you know what I'm saying? But then again, I'm thinking back in the day, it was easy for you.

Not easy. You're a handsome guy. Sure. I'm not ugly. I'm not ugly, but I'm not. But, you know, women just, they want a personality. They want somebody who's got a reason for being on this earth. You know what I mean?

You know what it is? I'll tell you, physically. I mean, LA, it's a little different. I'm tall. Yeah, tall's good. Tall offsets muscles on some level. Tall's good. And I'm only medium height.

Well, we call that short in the tall world. Yeah! That's why I have muscles, because I'm only 5'10". 5'9. I'm 5'10. All right. Are you using 5'10 and a half? But I've lost a half an inch.

Oh. In that weird, how that happens. Yeah. I can't wait. I don't think I'm starting to shrink yet, but I look forward to it. What's your best current health and fitness advice? Consistency is really, I mean, there's a lot of them, but consistency is everything, man. The more you do, the better you get, right?

The less you do, the more complicated it is, the more frustrated you'll be. So if you're gonna, you know, if you really wanna be fit and healthy, you gotta, it's gotta be constant. You know, people say, hey, man, how often? I say all the time, all the time, like breathing and eating and paying your bills and going to work all the time,

because everybody else is just surviving, doing the basics, but anybody else who's training on a regular basis, they get to have a much more interesting life. They, like, my wife and I went to Italy, and we got on a bike tour for four and a half hours and we did the same thing and. So she's into it too. Not as much as me now. I would have loved it if you're like, no, no, she's morbidly obese.

She's just happiest can be. I'll say it if you like. Just happiest can be. No, she's huge. No, but she's into fitness too. Not as much as me. If I don't work out though, is there any reason to start if you're saying like, oh, yeah, it has to be constant because constant seems so overwhelming to me.

It's five to six days a week, something. What do you think about taking a walk with your dog? That's great. It's not good enough. Yeah, yeah, sure it is. I always give every guest on the show a gift. I would love that. Right, so this is um, oh shit.

This is a Britain's never been used in Venice Beach. They play this this paddle tennis game. That's not a pickle ball. No, it's not pickle. I play pickle ball. And so this birdie goes, oh, this isn't pickle ball. It's a different. I go, I don't fucking want a different sport.

I got a sport already. Right. So he's like, no, no, it's a good bet. So it's over $100, I think. Here is your paddle. Thank you. And like, Is it loud like pickle ball?

No, I don't think so. You play with it like a dead tennis ball or something like that. They only play it in Venice Beach. They got Venice Beach managed to have their special paddles made for just them. But you know, it's right, you know, I'm talking about those courts that are right next to like most of you. Yeah, I always thought that was, was pickleball, but it's not pickleball. It's this. Put on the fort, but that's your paddle now. But he's going to be mad at me when he listens to this episode and sees that. Maybe that. Yeah, my wife's cousin. He's a, he's a good guy.

But you don't, don't try to introduce me to something new. I see that. Will you give that away? Probably. If you had signed it, though, it would have been... I'll sign it. Well, yeah. Yeah, sure.

But where's the going to show up? It's a black paddle. I'm talking about it too. Because I was like, Venice Beach. I can show up down at Venice Beach with that paddle and look like... Yeah, I know. I'm going to be so confused about this guy down to Venice Beach with that paddle and look like, I don't know. I'm gonna be so confused, is this guy gonna go workout or is he gonna go play,

they won't, and I'm sorry. Somebody options for me. How's that gym on the beach? Is it just complete garbage? It's the right thing for the right people who do it, but I just, it's not, you know, lifting heavy weights, lifting a rusty old sand filled weights and those guy, a lot of those guys are using

the roads. And then the smell of the homeless shit. It's funky down there. Yeah. What did you think about Venice during the pandemic? That was sad, wasn't it? I don't even know what happened. What happened?

I mean, it was just a shell of itself, especially what you saw. Yeah, I mean, I have been down there and I bet you 20 years. Oh, I haven't been down there in 20 years. When I first moved here, I was in Santa Monica in Venice all the time. Right. I was at the beach all the time. For 21 years, such a novelty

having grown up in these coasts. I always think it's weird when people moved to California, but don't move all the way. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, we're gonna live in, what's the hipster area? Silver lake. Like, like what? Ugh, you're, you're moving out west, go all the way, get to the water. I'm a beach person. Yeah. Oh, so you used, I, I, well, I've served my whole life. It's all I can't explain. That explains that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't

touch the board. Okay. Where's your favorite surf spot? I won't tell you. Do you go to like, Honolay Bay and do it there? No, I don't like to travel for surfing. I like to be in my house. Yeah, I just, that's what I like. So you're a Malibu guy. Yeah, I don't like traveling.

Yeah. It's like too much. If you ever had Laird Hamilton on your? Yeah, I surf with a Laird every day. Oh, no, you never had him on my show though. I don't know him well. I know Gabi a little bit better than and Laird anyway, what did you do? You worked out with them? Yeah, they have a

Olympic-sized pool and they do a lot of underwater with dumbbells and breathing and it's intense. It's a little bit scary. Is it just underwater because you're not tall? Well, there's a sh there's a low end and a, and a deep end, you would be, you would be tall enough in the deep end either. And is every, is every side of deep end? Damn dude. I'm five, 10, I'm not five one. No, come on.

You're, you're, you're, I think technically the average height of men in this five, eight, five eight, aw, you're right. You don't think a guy five, 10 doesn't know that. Yeah, we've, we don't need to look it up. We know it's five eight. That's right. Have you seen think a guy 510 doesn't know that. Yeah, we've we don't need to look it up. We know it's 5.8. That's right. Have you seen that car commercial about bent carrots? Yes, I have.

Yes, I have. I really call that. I don't know why I said in your wheelhouse, but this is a bit carrots. Yeah, because I was out of my wheelhouse. I don't know. Anybody that because you had an info. It's not carrots. You had an info, you had an info commercial about your body.

I assume bent carrots is a weird thing. I have a friend who has the bent carrot thing. Oh, really? I mean, the fact that just came up in conversation once and it says, my wife likes it. I said, okay, his wife likes it. It must be hooked up. That would make it better, I guess.

I'm right, a hard left is a tough sell. I didn't really get it into the direction so much, so I don't know. Oh, hey, I wanna talk about your disease. Oh, gosh, yeah. Ramsey Hunt, type two severe, what was it? Ramsey Hunt syndrome. It affects your vision, your smell, your taste,

and your balance. It's like vertigo, because vertigo's this, this is this inside your brain all the time. So if I tried to look right, I'd have to go that way. And then I'd have to go super slow, because if I tried to look right, I'd have to go that way. And then I'd have to go super slow. Because if I went like this, it would just the shakiness and the nausea would just kick in and I'd, wow, you know, how did you get it?

So I do you get this pure, if you have a chicken pops, chicken pox virus in your body and you get you, it's shingles, it's shingles in your ear. So you get me to get my mom's that shingles. My aunt aunt she complains about it. Brutal. So it's burning. Oh it's burning all the time. Like lighters on your skin the whole time. I had this whole ear was just open pussy, awful sores and it affected the fifth, sixth and seventh cranial nerves that affect your sight and your smell and your taste and your balance. So it was going into my brain. And so nerves are weird. They'll take their good time to heal or not.

A lot of people, I had Bells palsy for a while, which is a great look for a non-camera guy. And mine went away, but a lot of people's don't. Justin Bieber is still around a little bit if you look at him. Okay, but so he definitely had it. He definitely had it. And also, uh, finestein, Senator Feinstein. She did P90X. She did not. No, no, she did.

But the Obama's did. The Obama's did. The Obama's did. Of course they did. Yeah. I know. Michelle looks like a definite after photo. How old right now?

Are you going to live? I, the number I use, you're probably gonna give me some shit for it, but I think maybe 109. But if I, if I, I mean, look, I feel better at 65 than I did at 55 or 45 or 35. Because I keep making little adjustments with my diet and my mindfulness and my breathing techniques

and my hydration and my supplementation and my electrolytes and my hydration, and my supplementation, and my electrolytes, and my foam rolling, and all my cold plunges, I'm always, you know, I'm always, you're doing all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm open to trying things that make me feel better and function better. If I was gonna guess how long you were gonna live, use it 109?

I'm probably late 80s or early 90s. My guess is 66. Wow. No, I got things to do. Yeah, wait a second. That's a great question. Hold on. If you knew you were only going to live one more year, would you keep doing all this stuff?

No, if I were one more year, I would start planning the worldwide tour. I'd go ski in the more year, I would start planning the worldwide tour. I'd go ski in the Alps, I'd go ski in South America. I would go to, you know, I would spend a lot of time in Jackson Hole. I got, I'm saying the workout stuff, the cold plunges. Would you like stop doing a cold plunge? Well, if it helped me continue to do push the envelope

with everything else, I probably would do some version of it. Okay. No, I just didn't know if it was like, no, it's just such a party of your life and that you enjoyed it so much. It's like, no, it's not an end to a means. I mean, with a year left. I mean, I fucking, five years. Five years that I'd keep doing what I'm doing. And I'd keep experimenting with new ideas that maybe might help me too.

Are you trying to cheat death? No, death's coming and I'm all right with that. And I hope that we can just download our brains onto something and then put it into a new body. Maybe kind of cool. If I could live long enough so that whatever they come up with, I can. I'm all for that. Well, listen, this is like, was I any good? You're wonderful. Oh, thank you. I appreciate your time and your outlook and I wish you the best. Appreciate it. Likewise, man.

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