Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - 90's Nostalgia w/ Celebrity Hairstylist Clayton Hawkins

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

Wow wow wow this week we are going back in time with the Celebrity Hair Stylist ICON + Ebay aficionado, Clay Hawkins. We talk Spice Girls, Farrah Fawcett Hair Care, Beanie Babies, Wizard of Oz Collection Fandom + so much more. We also discuss what trendy hair style is on the horizon & why Clayton is finally ready to allow Esther to get the hair style she’s always wanted. Get ready to feel things you haven’t felt in decades.    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itstrashtuesday Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@itstrashtuesday   Listen to Trash: Trash Tuesday Podcast iTunes Audio Feed: https://bit.ly/TrashTuesdayPod Trash Tuesday Podcast Spotify Audio Feed: https://bit.ly/TTPodAudio More Esther: Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@esthermonster Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/esthermonster More Khalyla:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/khalamityk Tigerbelly Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@TigerBelly More Clay!! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/claytonhawkins/?hl=en Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@rosebudbakerstandup TikTok https://www.a-frameagency.com/hair/clayton-hawkins     00:00 Explaining Beanie Babies to Khalyla   00:40 Clay Celebrity Hair Stylist & Esther’s BFF is Here!   00:45 Reaction to Esther and Motherhood   12:47 The Type of Girls We Aspire to Be   04:40 Clayton’s Wedding & Esther letting Loose   07:30 Clayton Loves a Flop  09:32 The Bump it 14:00 Clayton and Esther’s friendship 17:23 Dippity Do Hair Gel 20:42 Explaining Beanie Babies to Khalyla 26:00 Britney Spears Pepsi Cup, Perfume and Wild Commercial 40:15 Ebay Methods 44:40 Madonna Episode & Is This the Gayest Episode? 51:52 What Hairstyles are now In? 56:20 Esther’s Dream Hairstyle   Production: Stella Young: https://www.instagram.com/estellayoung Tiny Legends, LLC: https://www.instagram.com/tinylegends.prod   Shot and Edited By:  Guy Robinson: https://www.instagram.com/grobfps Sean Wanless: https://www.instagram.com/soundandshutter   Art Direction and Social Media: Ariel Moreno: https://www.instagram.com/jade.rabbit.cce   Branding & Music: Branding & Logo: https://www.instagram.com/jason_cryer Theme Song: https://www.instagram.com/bobbyleelive Banana Break Song by: Can Nguyen: https://www.candyedits.com   This video contains paid advertising.  #trashtuesday #khalyla #esther #podcast

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grew up in the philippines guys i don't know a lot of like the references of like okay so this was like bitcoin for girls and what it was was wow i'm learning so much that was a huge part of of my life and it must have been what 96 to 98 yeah i think so were they all bears or did they come in different shapes oh my god you're not understanding oh god we're doing a bad job explaining um honey you name it they beamed it I am so happy to see my favorite person on the couch here in the Trash Tuesday studio. Welcome, Clayton Hawkins. He is a celebrity hairstylist. You're my gay hairstylist friend. Yeah, I am.

My first. I'm hitting a lot of, you know, checking a lot of boxes. friend yeah my first i'm hitting a lot of you know checking a lot of boxes and a lot of people don't know this but you took um our og bloodbath pictures for us for this podcast i did just on an iphone which kind of felt like funny and wrong to do but yes i did take the og bloodbath pictures at the pasadena courthouse yeah which i might get married there i'm thinking about it it's beautiful there it was really nice this name is so much better than bloodbath no one likes this name no low vibrational dark energy horrible how but is trash tuesday is not high vibe trash is fun one means trash it's another person's treasure a bloodbath there's nothing good about a bloodbath i love that thank

you you're the first person to say that i mean i, I don't love Trash Tuesday. It's not like the best name ever, but it's certainly better than like, it couldn't get worse. We can't part with it anymore. I think that's the consensus, right? We're sticking with it. Yeah, we were thinking if we would change it again, but it seems like we're just going to stay. Yeah. It would be depressing to change it like a third time, right? Oh my God. Clay. So Clay is also one of my besties.

How do you feel now that I'm a mom? Do you see a difference? Yeah, you actually. Okay. I'm going to be really brutally honest because I feel like that's what this, you know, vibe is about. I thought that Esther was going to kind of like in Brooke Shields book when she had the baby want to throw the baby against the wall. That was my biggest concern that it was going to be one of those like Matt Lauer situations where he's saying like Tom Cruise is saying to Matt Lauer, Esther shouldn't be on psychiatry, like, you know, on the meds. I thought it was going to be bad. OK, I thought that it was going

to be like postpartum times 100. And here's the thing. She is doing so well. She's such a good mom. I've actually never seen her happier i know right it's so weird it's weird for me too trust me like i thought for sure she'd leave that baby at my doorstep oh my god that best that was best case scenario i was praying that that's like the outcome that would happen she's such a good mom i went and visited the baby the baby is gorgeous nobody saw that coming the baby is stunning is it weird to have a hot baby but she's gorgeous no i i agree with you i did not see it coming i did not what the hot baby or the fact that you're like all of it such a great mom all of it i thank you for saying that i wouldn't say i'm a great mom. I'm happy to be a mom.

I'm trying my best. We're all trying our best. You know where the baby is right now, right? I do. Yeah. She has one of those air tags, so I can always check it. No, but thank you for saying those horrible and nice things. I appreciate you both.

No, I'm so happy. And I feel like she even like, I'll I'll be like wait have I seen Esther smile before like she just seems like I don't know I'm I'm genuinely so happy for you everyone that asks like how's Esther doing how is she people people ask about you I'm always like I'm always like she's the best mom ever she's so happy it's like the dream scenario thank you for saying that i thank you thank god oh what yeah the biggest surprise of the year is that i think for me how much you're loving it same actually same it's a big surprise for me too um clay how's married life married i'm going on a year it's been a year almost you got married i got married last year yeah i had a big wedding

esther was there i can i actually conceived my baby like right after your wedding i know well you also did show your vagina on the dance floor i didn't mean to i didn't mean that yeah why did the vagina show up so much on the dance floor you needed like a snatch guard it was bad um but yeah i actually had a big fun wedding i had i, if I do say so myself. It was incredible. I didn't anticipate how great it was going to be. Because the whole time I was just like, I don't want people to be bored.

I don't want people to be bored. So I basically made like a bar mitzvah. There was like caricature artists and drag queens and mariachi. I feel like that's the way to do it. Because I think that the drudgery for me, okay, like the reason why like I think weddings in general have never been that appealing is because it seems like such a pressure cooker to get everything together. And when really it's like people should just be relaxed. Like there should be no feeling of transactional anything. It should just be like, let's go have a good time.

100%. And also like we're two guys. I mean, spoiler alert, I'm gay. But like it's like we're two guys. So it's not like there's any like rules. You know, it's like a dog wedding. It's like we're two guys i mean spoiler alert i'm gay but like it's like we're two guys so it's not like there's any like rules you know it's like a dog wedding it's like you can do whatever you want and i don't know we were i know i paid for you know me my husband paid for it wasn't like our parents were in charge so it was like we could do whatever we wanted i also not to get like sappy but like i also because i've been with my husband for like 11

years i didn't think that it would feel as like romantic and beautiful. And I was like, oh, my God, like I fell in love with him like all over again that night. But probably because you were in your you were in the mindset of let's just have a great time. So like, again, there's no pressure there. Yeah. Like, because I think that people forget about the spouse they're about to marry sometimes when there's totally too much wedding planning involved which is why like eloping is like such a dream for me too I know but you don't get as much attention I know that is true but or spend so much money as you'll find out I love to spend you know wait so tell me how Esther's um vagina made

multiple appearances she just was like crawling on her hands and knees dancing a lot. And like, yeah, just someone was like, I just saw that girl's vagina. But that's okay. It actually was such a safe space. It was such a safe space. I feel like I hadn't let go, like, butt loose

like that in years. I mean, you got pregnant right after. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, come on. And you you don't drink which is the craziest part of it no i don't yeah she doesn't drink so that does make it worse as it was um now when you came over to meet ace you you got her a lot of gifts and like dave is still upset about it um yeah i you you really are bad at receiving things it turns out but you got her a tickle me elmo an og tickle me elmo from 1996 oh wait that's super special i'm addicted to ebay and i make a lot of like tiktok videos where i try out old hair products old like curling irons roller roller sets that I buy off eBay.

Yeah. But then I also just buy a lot of like vintage stuff. I'm just obsessed with things that have like history and are old and weird. So I don't have really anything new. That's how you categorize Jar Jar Binks merchandise. I love Jar Jar Binks. I feel like I'm the Jar Jar Binks of like the beauty industry. Like so much hype, so much promise.

And then like everyone's horrified when i'm actually in the room wait didn't caroline just didn't she just buy a jar jar binks t-shirt yeah so and she actually sent me she'll send me some cool like phantom menace stuff um i just love i love like missed opportunities like i'm obsessed with like the star wars especially phantom menace because there was so much hope there was so much promise it was going to be this incredible thing missed opportunities like i'm obsessed with like the star wars especially phantom menace because there was so much hope there was so much promise it was going to be this incredible thing and it just it missed the mark and for me that's just like so i can't explain why that just tickles me in such a fun way he was on the cover of rolling stone jar jar yes before the movie

came out they're like this is going to be the next et and it just didn't work that is i forgot that there was so much hype oh my god i forgot he was hyped but you're right because i'm like why is that name jar jar banks why is that so embedded in my brain he was hyped dear and i just love um you like catastrophic failures i guess but i'm just like now i'm like rooting for jar jar so do i buy jar jar things yeah i buy the occasional jar jar thing off ebay is my husband horrified by the things that i buy yeah did you do you happen to have anything with you any fun ebay purchases i i brought a whole bag of recent ebay purchases that we could go through let's please i totally forgot this is like a whole on like and by the way esther these aren't gifts

i'm seeing things and i'm already freaking out okay so let's start with just like some simple stuff like i said i already see something that i'm feeling i'm getting here's a bump chicken skin uh-huh chicken skin goosebumps i was like what's chicken skin what's happening okay goosebumps fine i'm from a goosebumps house okay a bump it you guys i i tried to make the bump it come back i did like an interview with the lord two years ago where i was like this is going to be the year of the bump it no one else agreed i'm every summer this is going to be the summer of the bump it so here's a bump it do you feel as though the bump it sort of was too closely tied to like the jersey shore yeah but that's amazing let's go back there like let's bring that back okay so i have a friend who i

think has single-handedly kept the bump it alive and she is um i'm pretty sure she's like a nikki nurse like very important person yeah out of the face it's good right and she it's beautiful on her so I think you're right she looks so good with it yeah I mean there's a time and a place it looks did you use this on me for my premiere no that was like a full-on we use like hair we use like part of the couch like we use like hair patty well first of all Esther had her movie premiere and she was like i'm not gonna have hair or makeup and i was like that's unacceptable like i was i think i offered to pay you to come like do that i was like i'll i'll pay for it like makeup anyway so we did full-on glam but that was just like a wig and like stuffing on top of your head okay stuffing thanksgiving stuffing yeah no that's true you did make me do glam and i'm glad that you did that you looked gorgeous she looked gorgeous

she did it was like lana coated okay this is for like the little it's a portable blow dryer for the car this is from the 70s that you plug into like the cigarette lighter can't be safe i've tried it while i'm driving it smells like a house on fire it's certainly not right but you know i just like things like this the mars attacks like alien very cute this is good are you sure that one's not a gift this one isn't a gift it turns out i just checked oh that's a really good one am i allowed to touch you can touch you guys and like you can break wait i want to know more about why mars attacks because i i understand but i can't articulate it myself you know again the movie didn't quite land the movie didn't quite land and that's why i'm

rooting for it but that image is just so iconic of the big hair i should recreate it for a tiktok thing yes it's so scary but stupid at the same time that is just to me that's like my blood type is that image i'm just addicted to like that aesthetic. Okay, let's keep going. This is obviously a classic, just a Britney Spears action figure. Oh, so cute. So cute, a simpler time, everyone was happier. Can I get a price point on the Mars Attacks doll? That one wasn't too bad.

I think it was like under a hundred dollars. Okay, okay. This is really melting my heart. Okay, Farrah Fawcett shampoo. Wow. I just made a video before I came here with that, which is actually a picture of vitamins and minerals and minerals. It was $2 and 69 cents.

I definitely paid $150 for it on eBay. And you know, surprisingly when I normally use the old hair products, they smell like the cat's ass. This was actually not bad. This has smelled pretty good if you want to take a whiff. One of the ingredients is hydrolyzed animal protein. Oh.

Hmm. We, people now use the hydrolyzed pea protein, but animal protein is fine. And where did it get from? The bones? Is that bones? I don't know, but I actually don't think my immune system can handle smelling that. No smell. It actually is like for 40 years old or whatever.

It smells like Mr. Bubbles. Oh, that smells so nostalgic. You would love it. It smells like Mr. Do you remember Mr. Do you know Mr. Bubbles? Yeah. Can I taste it? Yeah. Yeah.

Taste it. Taste it. I need some protein. Yeah. Animal protein for the baby. That is so strong. That is really guys. I don't feel good. Okay. Well, you haven protein. Yeah. Animal protein for the baby. That is so strong. That is... Really?

You guys... I don't feel good after that. Okay, well, you haven't... Okay. I'm used to smelling, like, blood-curdling, bone-chilling things when I'm doing these, so this was, like, a relief. God, I love that they put her face right in the front. I know.

It's so simple. And it's made by Fabergé. I'm like, is that the egg company? That's totally unclear. And this was 100? Fabergé. I'm like, is that the egg company? That's totally unclear. And this was $100? I think it was like $150. Great buy. And I had to really, I had to like set an alarm in the middle of the night because people are bidding on this.

Are you putting it somewhere nice in your home? Are you showcasing it? Well, I have a whole like Pee Wee's Playhouse like glam room that I film everything in. But I have like thousands of wigs and extensions and all of my trinkets I'm I'm I'm turning into like an 80 year old weird gay Palm Springs man like with collections and that's so cool I want to be that so bad I know you and you have it in you thank you the first time that I ever worked with Esther well first of all so I'm a hairstylist right and I got like on my call

she okay you're gonna work with this girl Esther and I said Esther Povitsky with a name like that she has to be like a Russian supermodel she's gonna be 18 I was like I'm like just like the way that like the law of attraction works I'm like name that whatever she's got to be gorgeous and then I found out it's like Esther who's a comedian and we hit it off like immediately and she was like wait do i not hate gay people like it was i mean she didn't say that but that was sort of the vibe and i feel like you just needed i just no you know what it was is because i was so in the comedy space and i was like the person doing my hair is funnier than anyone i've ever met in all of comedy and like something is what's going on here well i mean have you ever really laughed at a comedian it's like if you if

you need to do that for a job it's like i sort of like i feel that a lot with most people that i meet i'm like oh they're like inherently funnier than any of like the stand-ups that i'm like always around well i'm sure if i was like oh let me try to be a stand-up comedian it would literally be like flop city like horrible i don't think so i doubt that i actually wanted people in the comments to say that but yeah yeah um but yeah i don't know anyway but we hit it off right away and you know esther's not only her hair but her life needed some organizing so i sort of felt like the need to like almost like a conservatorship for esther And, you know, Esther's not only her hair, but her life needed some organizing. So I sort of felt like the need to like almost like a conservatorship for Esther to take some things over.

It's true. Well, you did when you found out I was driving myself to that premiere. She was going to what we went to the premiere of like a Disney movie. Right. Yeah. What was the movie? I don't remember. She was going to like a big premiere when you first met yeah so she was on the freeform show and so the way it works with me is like

we don't like to say the f word around here got it okay what about fox family okay the original okay uh pre-abc family but anyway so yeah she was going to this big premiere and i was like okay you're all ready to go and describe what your what the car was at the time also a 2001 toyota camry with a lot of dents and she was going to drive that to like the pantages and walk into the premiere and i was like i'll i'll pay for the uber like you can't do this like that's not how uh this works and and i actually work with like a lot of well she wasn't young but like people that are like new to the industry so um i feel like sometimes i'm like a a fame sherpa for these yeah that's a nice where i'm like even if you're just paying for like you know the cheapest uber

like you can't drive yourself to these events but i feel like that is very standup comedian coded, especially Bobby coded, like rolling up with, you know, a backseat full of, you know, sugar-free Red Bulls, like that kind of like vibe, right? And unfortunately, you know, and maybe it's sexist. It's one thing for a man to do it, for a beautiful young woman to do that. Like, I don't want to see her roll up in the car and then like, what, like walk down the stairs

from the parking. It's embarrassing to do it in a in the car and then like what like walk down the stairs from the parking it's embarrassing to do it in a dress i think that's what it is it's embarrassing to have full hair and makeup and then like you know get out of the car and do all that like you need to validate your parking yeah it's not cute to go up to like go up to like the head of disney and be like where do i where do i validate this it's tough um should we go through so this one is dippity-doo this is like from 1955 what hair gel so it's a setting gel lotion i did this on tiktok and instagram and it has like inexplicably like 30 million views it because it works okay it works really well so smell that dude this is so cool what a cute name

so deputy do like reached out to and like sent me their new stuff they still exist they still exist yep but smell it it's this one's going to take you back okay i'm really scared this is tough this is tough dude i can't believe you made me smell that i can't believe my eyes are burning i'm not joking i'm not joking what is i like that you guys we're different we're different i literally have a sore throat yeah yeah no it actually will cause and then cure the sore throat so that's what's special about this but yeah it actually worked incredible i did like a roller set with it and it just worked so well. How does it hold though after all of these years of just sitting on a- On a clear, maybe it's the glass, the fact that it's actually glass.

Oh, that is true. So it's not interacting with the chemicals in there? I don't know, but had like portable curling irons that you put like almost gasoline into. This is before batteries were invented. Yeah, but even now you can't do the curling iron with a battery. I don't know what this was. See, you're coughing from sweat. No, no, I was coughing before that.

Oh, she's very sick. Got it. Uh-oh. It might have been from the farrah faucet i'm i don't feel good no no no you actually feel great you're fine okay um what else what else oh this is another farrah product which is basically like her blow dryer i will say this i love the color scheme i love the soft yellow look at the screen come on see like i live for this stuff you guys this wasn't that long ago think about how weird humans have gotten now like that was that could have been you 60 years ago

thank you now a sunscreen okay even more like cancer causing like chemicals i love that wait so this farrah faucet is a speed styler. Yeah. So it's like a- Portable? I don't know. Let's take it out of the box. Oh my God. Wow. Doesn't this remind you of like a weird dentist's office in like the early 90s?

Yeah. It's, it's something I don't want to touch it. Does it make you, you guys, this stuff makes me feel things. I can't explain it. This, the color scheme of this makes me feel things. This type, this yellow makes me feel things this type this yellow makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside correct and i a lot of this stuff that i'm nostalgic for i wasn't alive that i know of like during that time but i just feel so drawn to it

yeah i know i know what you mean i have that too is i think it's just like that we're sad people oh is that what it is yeah i'm just i'm searching for something can i take a picture of that one too i'm selling all your stuff of course yeah please what else is so good what else what else what else oh well obviously princess diana i have this i'm anyone does how do you not have it in a container well i have the tag in the container but no i let she's free range, you know, free running. Wait, I don't know anything about this. Well, there was a thing called the Beanie Baby craze. Okay, maybe I missed this whole Beanie Baby craze because I grew up in the Philippines.

Guys, I don't know a lot of like the references of like. Okay, so this was like Bitcoin for girls. And what it was was inexplicably these little bean. There's actually documentaries and books about this. I read a book called The Great Beanie Bubble. But anyway, these somehow became. There was the promise that these would be worth their weight in gold. And it's unclear who started this or perpetuated it, but there was this scarcity.

Right. There was a scarcity mentality where they were like, you need to get these. They're rare and they're going to be worth millions one day. Is there anything special about the Beanie Baby? No, no, no. Of course not. This is about as special as you're looking at it. This post after she died.

So this was in honor of her life. Yeah. Okay, so that's a special Beanie Baby. And the thing is, I don't know what it has to do with her. I think they just had this in the works and said, throw Diana on it. And purple because royalty? I think that was just luck of the draw. Wait, now I'm questioning, like, did her estate?

You don't think that they had anything to do with her death this baby baby look i just i i watched where were they that paris night i watched all of the crown and i have some thoughts but um but the thing is is that it was all about scarcity like you never know which one is going to be taken off shelves forever and then if you have that one you're like set for life and moms would go crazy like they were people would be like fighting at stores and they'd be like hoarding them or like. I remember we had a neighbor and she would like every Friday. She knew they would get a shipment Saturday and she would call every like Hallmark store toy store and be like, what's coming in? What time is it coming in?

Like people were. I miss this fandom. Yeah. And nobody liked the actual thing. Nobody was playing with these being like, these are great. It was all about capitalism, which I love. Yeah. And I wasn't even allowed to play with mine.

Oh, yeah. Do you still have yours, Esther? My mom got rid of quite a few of them, but I still have a pretty generous collection. But I don't have everything. Are you sad that they aren't the equivalent of like the pokemon cards that really are like super valuable are they really valuable they are i'm waiting for that bubble to burst and i think we should do it no i think i i don't want it to burst because one of my really good friends like that's her nest egg got it she has like complete everything of all of the danger i never clicked with the car because i'm like what are

we doing it's paper yeah that doesn't make me feel anything. It's a piece of it's a photo on a piece of paper. And that made me feel nothing. Yeah. But these Beanie Babies, I am sorry to say, like, they're not that impressive. Right. I mean, you didn't live through it. So, of course, that's going to, you know.

Yeah. You're just. But it gives you a rush in your body when you see him. You had to be there. But it gives you a rush in your body when you see them. You had to be there. And also it was just to see neighborhood moms become like kingpins before your very own eyes. It was a sight to behold. Did you get involved in the Happy Meal Beanie Babies?

Yes. I think they were called Teenie Beanies. Yeah, Teenie Beanies. Yeah. So McDonald's. Wow, I'm learning so much. That was a huge part of my life life and it must have been what 96 to 98 yeah i think so were they all bears or did they come in different shapes oh my god you're

not understanding oh god we're doing a bad job explaining um honey you name it they beamed it all shortly after okay so now this sounds fun to me because if oh she thought it was just bears yeah i just thought it was just bears right right right no there's the flamingo the duck i know the duck is quackers the duck's name is quackers it was the tag it was the name it was the description there's also a poem and is it a poem? There's always a poem on it. Yeah. Okay, so now it seems fun to me. I get it now. And well, by the way, now you... So they have a sequel line called Beanie Boos,

which are the same thing, but with like wild eyes. And now you will see them everywhere you go. They're at every airport, every CVS. Yeah. They're everywhere. But they have no value. People learn their lesson, I think. Well, I think they do have value because they've been on the shelves for like 20 years.

The moms aren't going to CVS and droves. Esther, just look at that. Wait, go back to that other one. Oh my God, that was so good. By the way, that I have. I have all my teeny beanie babies in their original packaging. Of course I have the lobster. The lobster is good.

I have all of those. But look at the penguin. The penguin, the way it's sitting. Is that me? I don't know. It's just like the beak But look at the penguin. The penguin, the way it's sitting. Is that me? I don't know. It's just like the beak. I like the penguin. Oh, I'm feeling things.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm feeling things. Thank you. And that's ultimately why I'm here is to finally make you guys feel something. You know? And shortly after this was the Furby craze. Do you have a Furby in your bag?

I was here by the time the Furby craze happened. But Furbies were actually fun. But they didn't ever really work. Mine worked. Mine, wait, is that true? Because I feel like mine never did what it was advertised to do. Oh, well, no, listen, they weren't trained. They did whatever they wanted.

Okay, your job was to like help like rear them. What did you ever get a Furby to do? Wake me up in the middle of the night. Like, you know, that was a big part of the appeal. Okay. Also, they were completely ripped off from the guy from gremlins yeah like yeah identical yeah so i don't know how that worked out let's let's see what else okay let's see what else okay this is just a commemorative i'm assuming from a movie theater britney spears pepsi cup holy fuck and oh my god it has the little game play pepsi stuff.com yeah okay you can peel actually peel no no no no no no i'm not gonna peel or i'm gonna kill

myself on camera what if you win something do you think it's still valid it has to be what if you yeah do you think pepsistuff.com still exists oh my god this cup is amazing it's this is no no this is not from a movie this is from the 2001 world tour oh so it's a concert drink even better yeah but it's i get why we didn't know that because it's not like dream within a dream branded yeah it's pepsi branded yeah this is like her pepsi look so that's why so you know things okay what else what else what else okay obviously these are a cliche but we have to have them the spice girl lollipop now for some reason i don't take this the wrong way but scary just didn't come when i ordered them all they did

not include scary these feel i have baby not good will you eat one they feel so much they feel soft wait this is like taffy because it has gum in the middle so the gum's all that's left i ate so many of these when i was whatever age i Wait, this specific, the Spice Girls one? Yeah, the Spice Girls Fantasy Ball Lollipops. They sold them at limited too. Were you not here when this happened either? No, so this is really a special moment for me. I didn't know that these even existed.

But I love the Spice Girls. Jerry was my girl. Oh, Jerry was my girl. What? Ginger Club! Confetti! Oh my god, ginger was was everything i've never met other gingers before and then my brother gave me the jerry hallowell playboy he was like you love

ginger so much you're gonna like this and i was like i don't know that i do like it's all her life and who she's married to and how is she doing doing? All of, well, she's. She's doing well. Yeah, she married a principal of like an F1 team. So she is. What is that? Formula One racing. A rich guy. So she is like a very rich guy. I was thinking she was like talking about like a middle school.

Like the principal of like F1 elementary. So he was most recently in the last couple months caught with someone else. So there's a little bit of scandal there, but we think they're staying together and working out because they're a very very like beautiful like wealthy couple they can get past that yeah i think they can i have sort of uh the humiliation stuff though yeah i have a toxic question who do we think is the least successful present-day spice girl or do we not even want to go there well let's let's let's go there because I think a lot of them have had a lot of TV success right so like Baby Spice and Scary Spice have hosted been judges on same with Mel C because she was on Asia's Got Talent as like the main judge there too I think Sporty is the least popular i would say but she's had the biggest solo success i agree

i agree so and she's and she's respected as the best vocalist in the group correct so i actually think that they all know i think they all have done pretty well pretty well for themselves and when you hit that sort of strata stratospheric is that a word sure when you hit that level of success even if it's just for a moment of time one to two years you can milk that until the cows come home yeah you know yeah it's beautiful to see i and i and scary spice i think she had eddie murphy's baby like that's huge yeah that's that's like, of course. That's a huge accomplishment. That's where you want to land.

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with all my heart nonetheless but she did have a perfume um called v by vicky that's so funny when it's opened uh and i have to say it smells worse than any of these like 80 year old hair products okay vicky gumbelson a new fragrance i gotta say this um um oc housewives one of my faves to this day and i can't wait for the new camera everyone everyone's just iconic now in case you don't know now vicky is and i say this with peace and love and she's successful at it she's simply a life insurance salesman so for her to also have a perfume it is a little bit wild but again these are the kind of things that bring me joy these are the kind of things that bring me joy. These are the kind of things that I'm like, yes, I need that.

It makes you feel good. It makes me feel good. Did you ever have the Fame perfume by Lady Gaga? Oh my God, the one that turned black or was black? Yeah. No, but I've looked at it on eBay. It's in my recent searches. Oh, I might be able to hook it with a bottle if I can find it.

And is it still black? It is still black. Yeah. Now, I remember at the time, they really went out of their way to explain, it's not going to stain your clothes. It's not going to stain your clothes. And when you're pitching something and you're already having to like promise and apologize for a future event, that's always tough.

It was a really strange way to come out of the gate with a but she was cool i remember they were like what does it smell like and she was like it smells like a prostitute oh yeah and that was like at the time now it's like everybody thinks they're like an edge lord but at the time that was like yeah that was like badass i feel like all of the um tiktok viral scents are all geared towards smelling like a stripper right yeah and going back to that simple like what we had when we had the the victoria's secret strawberries and champagne remember that and the whole just like um the mall what's the mall bath and body body which like i'm pretty sure those chemicals have to be banned. A hundred percent.

Then they're still selling them though. Oh my God. Cause you walked into like a seventh grade classroom in the early 2000s. Plumeria. You needed a mask. Cucumber. Oh no, the cucumber was disgusting. I put it with the cucumber melon.

This is why our entire generation, our entire generation has lupus because of this. Cause all of the Calgon, all of the, the you know all of those scents do you guys remember like did you ever go through that discovery phase where you found out that walgreens sold like knockoffs of the the expensive designer perfume of course that was i felt like that's what it must be like when you become a billionaire like when i found those it was so like for 99 cents i could get 99 cents because i would get them at the 99 cent store in like when this is i'm talking on like seven years old and you have like literally three dollars and a booger to your name like i would go into the 99 cent store and i would buy these knockoff

michael jordan colognes and when i tell you the amount of liquid it was like an evian bottle like it was so much liquid the spritz would always get stuck and it just smelled like gasoline and i felt right as rain and i felt cool as fuck oh simpler times i know and that's what we're trying to get back to but it's like you know we're getting there never gets filled you know you have to constantly uh-huh you know you have to it's like one of those uh it's like the titanic they're constantly having to like fire up what would they how did the titanic move there was coal i think so yeah so it's constantly needs to be kindled i remember that scene where they still had to like manually those guys were hot they were so hot they were the hottest guys they were hot yeah all right

what else what else what else can i ask a question about celebrity perfume? Who would you say has the best, most successful celebrity perfume that's ever been? Curious by Britney Spears. Ugh. That's, and it's known as like the best cheap, or not cheap, but you know, best like, what's the word for perfume? Like affordable perfume. It is known by, because for some reason I fell into like a TikTok wormhole of this guy that like reviews perfumes. for some reason i fell into like uh tiktok wormhole of the sky that like reviews perfume for some reason you fell into that well the algorithm

knew what i needed at that time and at that time that day in particular that's what i needed to receive so yeah i think fantasy curious maybe it's fantasy that's the one what's the og i think curious what about the what about the perfume commercial which maybe we do need to pull up where she's with the fortune teller oh my god can we just pull up the britney spears fortune teller commercial because the way she reacts to this fortune teller is just odd oh i oh this was sort of like i think so if it's yeah. Just watch. It's worth it. Oh, wait. I have seen this. This was when you kind of knew the Empire was about to fall.

Do we get sound or no? Because the sound is crucial. So she just gets up. You you know that's a voiceover so she goes into the room the woman says go back a little bit i really want you to see how she sits down and how she reacts with this woman with this woman she goes in looks and then just gets up and goes i just think about that always there's something about this whole thing though that just makes me sad oh it doesn't make me feel like with a fortune teller and just like everything that's happened to her i'm like oh you didn't want to maybe you wanted to know what was going to happen so you could prevent it we sort of ignore we don't yeah

we're actually but i think that she's in a great place and that's i'm not yeah that is true so i can't take that on whatever you're trying to do right now you're right you're right she's in a great place she's doing so well yeah so anyway is i love the wizard of oz again i know i said in the beginning but i am gay so i love the wizard of oz but in particular so i actually just keep like clips in here this is just for my glam room this is like a music box wizard of oz but here's what i love so here's what i love wizard of oz is the 50th anniversary 1989 collection so in 1989 it was the 50th anniversary and everything was wizard of oz it was like the way that Star Wars and Harry Potter is now. I mean, do you remember this growing up?

There was so much Wizard of Oz content, products, things. There was Wizard of Oz everything. Toilet paper holders. But why? Why so long after the... But that's what's cool is that that had such a lasting legacy. As a little boy, I was obsessed with a 50-year-old movie. Yeah.

Yeah. It's the best movie ever. And they really pushed it. So I like the like 1989, early 90s. Like they had everything you can imagine. Now, from what I've heard, you have a Wizard of Oz collection that travels to different schools. I guess when you put it that way, it does seem like it's been a problem for a while. So I had a wizard of oz collection that kept growing and growing and by the time i was like in sixth grade it did travel

libraries so the collection got its own agent that would then send it to different libraries you know what i thought when you first said that i thought that you to this day you do a show and tell of wizard of oz he should wait why is that not a tiktok subset of your i you know what we're getting there i'm in this for the long game so i think we're getting there and also you know the wizard of oz fan collector community is and i say this with peace and love some of the most vile disgusting people you'll ever see on the internet um i lurk in a lot of the facebook groups and when i tell you it is just some of the most vile, disgusting people you'll ever see on the internet. I lurk in a lot of the Facebook groups. And when I tell you it is just some of the worst of humanity.

What are they fighting? Are they fighting? They're fighting. They're cruel. I would say there's a big, unique cross-selection of just awful gay people. And then like January 6th people that love the Wizard of Oz, right? So they meet in the middle and it'll be a little girl posting, I'm playing Dorothy in my sixth, you you know somehow she wandered onto this group she'll say I'm playing Dorothy

on in my school play look at my costume and the comments will be like you idiot that's not screen accurate like you fool like she wore blue socks moronon. Like enough with the white. So like people are so cruel. Someone will be like, oh, I got this at a garage sale. I think it's from the 70s. And they'll be like, fuck off. It's from the 80s, you idiot. Like they're so mean. And I obviously have never like commented, but I can't get enough of it.

I feel like that's sort of universal across all fandoms, right? Right. Like there really is like a like irrational like aggressive kind of you're doing it wrong like how dare you stray from or how dare you not know this one piece of information that makes me laugh so hard poor any any child that stumbles upon that page i love it and i also love because it's like, you know, this is a fandom that, again, like I said, is like weird and also like hardcore Republican Karen moms. And it's like for them to be able to coexist. I mean, I have that doll for them to be able to coexist in this way, I think is like pretty special.

Is that my room? So, yeah. So that's sort of that. That's another obsession. Thank you for bringing that today. I I do really think that you should. Very cool. Just a gift, a small gift. I think you should display these toys because they are toys on your TikToks.

Would you not? You know, I obviously am coming out of the closet here on this podcast admitting how. How many toys you have? How off I am just as a person. So maybe the time is now to do that. And I do. You said something earlier that I want to go back to, which is that you've set alarms in the middle of the night for ebay okay why is that because sometimes the bid the auction will end at a certain time how now how competitive is it for let's say the car hair dryer the car hair

dryer nobody wanted so that one was easy to get but what's the most competitive for some reason this farrah thing was really competitive and also like not to um uh you know not to sound like arrogant or something but since i've started doing a lot of these old hair things on ebay and some of them have gotten traction or whatever the prices have all gone up like crazy and a lot of people are buying them like trying to like for sure it's such a good idea that you came up with to start doing that. It was hard to find a full one because a lot of them are just like empty. Yeah, that one. See, that's like 40 bucks.

Like that's pretty reasonable. 24 bucks. Yeah, that's pretty reasonable. I'm very curious about your upbringing just because I do feel like we're very similar. We get along so well, but you literally grew up in LA. Right. Like kind of a showbiz family. And I don't know, like, is that why you're so much cooler and more advanced than like

the rest of us? I don't think that I'm either of those things. I think that I'm obviously stuck in the past and I think that I'm lagging. No, growing up in LA was great. I loved growing up. I mean, it's all I ever knew. And anytime I meet someone, they're like, you're a unicorn. I never meet people from L.A.

I'm like, I only interact with people from L.A. Like, we just sort of keep to ourselves. Yeah. I really wish I was one of you guys. Esther, you're so in the club. You've been here long enough. Yeah. Esther.

Do you count Kalilah as growing up in L.A.? When did you move here um 15 14 between 14 and 15 but this is the first place that i the first city in america that i landed coming from asia girl so i'm for sure i i also the the way that i got to learn la was not through anything like fancy like i i can get anywhere i you i will never get lost in la like i don't need gps anywhere and that's because like i have fucking bus pass and i would just i i learned it really fast i learned everywhere i needed to be really really fast so i feel very much like an angeleno at heart well i use the bus and the

subway which by the way there is a subway system when i was like when i was like 13 14 that's what we would do you would your parents would be like i'm dropping you off here and then you would literally get on the bus get on the subway like go downtown like beg people to give you cigarettes like on skid row like it was fun and you'd have to know your routes ahead of time and you'd have to know like your transfers because we didn't have like any. Phones. Yeah, you didn't have phones.

Well, I did that in Chicago. Like we took the bus and the train, but I can't imagine that here. No, here it's different because our subway system here really is janky. And it also will break down all the time. So you would say like, oh, I'm going to the movies. And, you know, your parent would be like, okay, I'm coming to pick you up. The movie's over. And you'd be like stuck on the subway with all the lights out like it was it was very thrilling would you do that

today would you ever go on the subway like is it i've i've taken the subway to like um a concert before like at staples center yeah i feel like that's a smart way to do it especially are you serious i picture it as like this very scary dangerous thing no it's not so i mean especially if we're going with a concert it's all like fans of whoever's playing that night and then three to four mentally ill people screaming but like you outnumber them and also it's not even it's just a situation of like the parking because sometimes just getting out of the parking lot or getting to your uber can take an hour when i saw beyonce it took me an hour just to get to my car um and all like the quote-unquote like the crazies that you come across like on like the bus or the train or whatever like they become so familiar to you

because you see them all the time and like they you know you they it no longer feels like foreign or like scary you're like oh that's sideways oh that's boom boom like you you know you get to know it's like being in new york like i mean i took the subway two days ago in new york like it's just i take the subway in new york i'm cool yeah yeah that i feel like is the easiest city i mean san francisco too it's apple pay that's what yeah i know that's the game changer because oh because i the card and all that was actually uh that's too much too scary i'd rather i'll stay home but yeah now they have the apple pan the subway that's such a game yeah yeah i'm really appreciative of that um you went to madonna this year i went to madonna i feel like everyone did but me how did i miss such good seats too

you did yeah of course you did but it was you know i went in now madonna is queen and i feel like madonna is i feel like maybe that's my next job is to really teach gen z and the younger generation that like yeah whoever your favorite is or your number one is they wouldn't exist without madonna are they not appreciating madonna i don't see enough madonna appreciation from the younger kids at all i agree that is so weird because i feel like we revered even the pop stars like the shares before our time but they still like share that's what's crazy they still fuck with share because some of those references and those looks are just undeniable and believe is a song that is i think believe is bigger with the younger generation than any Madonna song, which is hard to say.

It's hard to believe, actually. It's hard to believe. I love Cher, but I think Madonna is my number one. Madonna is incredible. And so my expectations for the show weren't—I went in with, like, no expectations, basically. And I was blown away i had what did you think you went to it was i mean i hate even saying this out loud but i i was like days from giving birth so i only stayed the first half because i was just really uncomfortable did you get to like

the vogue i did okay and what i saw i mean it was the best thing i've ever seen i felt like i'd been waiting my whole life to see these songs being performed because it was all early Madonna I mean she was doing burning up she was doing like debut album I'm literally getting the chills like I just as a little girl I never thought I would get to see her play burning up like that's crazy the fact that we got that like I know it's so amazing um so it does hurt me that I didn't see the whole thing but no but you were there and that's this might be our last chance to ever see do you think your viewers are gonna like tune out and be like this is the gayest episode i've ever seen in my entire life do you think people are gonna take their lives no but this really genuinely makes me sad that there is a lack of appreciation for

madonna with with jimmy the tour helped the tour and i think that when they inevitably make a movie as they do with everything, then people will. What's going on with that movie? I don't know. I can't say. But I think that people will. Listen, the cream rises to the top. And I think even I think people are going to look back at the past decade of Madonna's career in the rearview mirror and be like, wow, we were so ageist.

Oh, for sure i think people are gonna and all of a sudden the people that are like judging how she looks or saying whatever are gonna like have revisionist history and be like i always loved her like i loved that she like you know dressed however she wanted at that age there's gonna be such revisionist history with her the most amazing thing she's ever said it was she was like the most feminist thing i've ever done is just stick around yep and i feel like that's so real um who are your like top ultimate like if you had to list your like top five or even more like not just pop stars but like your gay kid icons oh as a kid like or but that you're still feeling for them now but it's from childhood i mean from childhood like can i, from childhood. Can I guess?

You can. I'm going to guess like Rosie O'Donnell is in there. Love Rosie O'Donnell with all my heart. Kathy Griffin. I love, I mean, as like a little boy, I was like, why am I watching this horrible workplace comedy called Suddenly Susan? I loved Suddenly Susan. It's not good though.

It wasn't, but I know what you mean. Yes, it hit as a it hit it hit something i'm like why am i watching like this is not why would an eight-year-old want to watch this like sitcom about fax machines made it to the philippines but it made it to the philippines i love that to hear that suddenly and i think that's really what the ultimate lesson of today is is that suddenly susan it made it to the philippines and they were very selective you know it's like there's a few things that didn't quite make it there and a lot of probably great american shows that never quite made it across the pond but suddenly susan made it there we go i think i know why because everyone was obsessed with brook shield right the philippines

so what also was great about suddenly susan and they this doesn't happen now on tv shows because now shows just get like canceled right but back in the day they would do something called retooling where it was like suddenly the next it would be one season and then the next season half the cast would be gone she'd be like in a different city so every season they really were like okay it didn't quite work now we're gonna have her like in the inner city okay that didn't quite work now we're gonna add sherry shepherd okay that didn't quite work now we're gonna make it like a romance and it never was consistent and i loved that but they gave it so many chances right and that's what's so

beautiful as they gave suddenly susan chance after chance and if we could just do that with ourselves and give ourselves the grace that nbc gave to suddenly sus Susan in the late 90s yeah and retool because that's ultimately reinventing yourself just retool just to retool maybe add Sherry Shepard in the mix you know um we're talking about Kathy Griffin she's up there um my dream is to work with Catherine O'Hara I mean that's my that's everyone's dream well everyone's dream now I mean with Schitt's Creek like she's sort of but like Well, everyone's dream now. I mean, with Schitt's Creek, like, she's sort of, but, like, I've been writing for her. But just forever. I know.

But you get most of your dream clients. Yeah. I'm lucky. I work with, like, incredible girls. I work with a lot of, like, young girls and pop stars, and it's super fun. I love, yeah, the best job ever. I'm so lucky. It affords me to buy junk, so I, you know, will never be a homeowner.

Catherine O'Hara, like what a choice. Like, I feel like you couldn't give a better answer. Ugh, goated. Wait, sorry. What's with the bananas? Are we doing a game? No, we, we. It feels like a curse.

I love bananas. And bananas was always a way for me to re--up on my potassium when i wasn't you know when emotions ran high and i thought when you pulled out the wizard of oz oh i needed it yeah you needed it you need a banana yeah okay so it's an insult right oh and there's a banana there okay so that's part of it's part of it's not just like because you're gay that we're oh right it's not that okay got it okay i thought it was like it wasn't targeted got it okay cool can i ask a question as just a person who knows nothing about anything in terms of hairstyles what is it could you give us like a brief like what's in or like what 2024 i don't know just i mean everyone's very into like the coquettish very like brushed out um hyper feminine looks right

so like beachy waves all of that is kind of out you want like super voluminous um just fluffy i mean for so long people were like i don't want fluffy hair esther you and i are like people didn't want fluffy hair fluffy hair is back but i'll tell you where things are heading um is we're we're going into an early 2010s revival any minute now that's what i figured was next so what that means is we're going to be seeing a lot of hombres the hombre is coming back and you know the hombre started as you know it was a consequence of like the great recession so all these young blonde girls couldn't afford to get their hair done but they looked cool as the roots kept growing out and then everybody just sort of copied that

this is so funny to me because like the the girls that hung on to the ombre to to this day are considered choogy right because it was the 2010s right but we've gone full circle we've gone enough time has passed where the ombre is back is so interesting to me and i think what's going to happen now is that sort of like you know because of like all the tiktok trends and people like my skincare my hair care like everyone's so like hyper vigilant focused and like i gotta get my money pieces done and my baldiage and everything perfect it's like we're gonna have sort of like the other direction where everything is more lived in more grungy less effort i like this this i like you know it's that sort of indie sleaze tumblr era i think we're gonna see again like um

i think we're gonna see like the tumblr like pastel colors but not like you went to the salon and got like fantasy colors put in like you know really like bleached out pinks and like sea foams and maybe this is a young man's game pink girl yeah yeah she's ahead of the game and both of them do you see the ariel show yourself yeah super cute yeah so yeah she's she knows what's up yeah so it's sort of that like 2010s indie sleaze tumblr era american apparel um because we burned out with the 90s early 2000s so i think we're at the max y2k and listen i was a big champion of the y2k aesthetic i feel like i did a lot with a lot of my clients yeah thank you for that i brought a lot of like space funds back not say that i did it but you did no but like especially stuff i did with olivia rodrigo and stuff we did a lot of very like y2k hairstyles and um now i just think we're just we're gonna keep the train going and as long as

we're not moving forward and we're just looking back then i will feel comfortable so what would you do what like what would you do what would i do well you what do i always say about your hair thing about esther's hair let me put the banana down let me i need to touch hair for a second the thing about esther's hair is esther's hair because of like the sort of i don't want to say like whatever whatever ogre oils that she produces creates the softest, most shiny, beautiful hair. She has beautiful hair. If I were to put product in her hair from like sopping wet and give her a blowout and do all that, it wouldn't look as good as if she just lets it air dry. I've had to tell like hair people.

I'll be like, so my best friend is a hairstylist and he says that it's better if you just don't do anything. Yeah, definitely not blow dry let it air dry and then if you know when you're on a show they can like you know you do a little iron work curl a few pieces straighten a few pieces one or the other but you know but her hair just looks naturally so beautiful which is you know not fun for me you know i want to get in there and root around wait but okay in terms of color like would you get what would you allow have you ever colored your hair esther yeah you had highlights yeah i had highlights for doll face what about when you had the haircut the bob that's right the bob

so she had a haircut that really can only be described as late in life michael jackson i every time i saw her i just kept expecting her to wear that red button down shirt and dangle that baby from a balcony in germany that was the vibe it was giving as it grew out it got better oh yeah you gave me the space buns for my special oh we did a lot of why too you know what you might have been the pioneer when we did your special yeah and again that was a situation where she was like oh i don't think i need to get my hair done and i was like no like we need to make your hair iconic and this was so cute we did that in 2019 yeah we were we actually were ahead of the curve on that dude i agree that was all you obviously as i did not want glam at all you didn't want glam um i actually think i insisted on doing that job

remember yes you did you were like i want to do your special i was like it's beneath you no i anytime i get to work with esther is literally like a joy and normally i'm forcing it i do think this is genius because when i think of i'm very visual when i think of her special i think of her this haircut this hairstyle and the look yeah yeah yeah that's that's a much better you know not backlit picture i love that but that's sort of like the vibe was she's also like she is this like you know millennial icon so let's bring back that sort of like our childhood and bring that sort of forefront yeah um you so since i've met you i've told you that i wanted to do this one specific thing with my hair and you've always told me not to oh Oh, is it dye the underneath red?

Like, and I quote Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah. Can we explain this to me, Esther? How do you want it? During the Osbournes, Ozzy had this amazing hair. You know, he has that long black hair. And then he has just the underneath at the back red.

And I think it looks so cool. Let's do it. Okay. Let's actually do it. I think the time is now. That is so you. that is so you that is so you 100 let's do it i feel like if you ever get married yeah that should also be like the vibe like those glasses like all black dave would be so mad wait see you know how they um on tick tock there's that whole whole drama between Brooke, Tana's co-host with a bob?

Have you seen it? No, I'm on a different side of TikTok. So basically it's this whole discussion of who should and shouldn't get a bob. Can you clarify? I mean, bobs look good. If you're going to like take care of your bob bob but the bob has to be specific it can't be shoulder skimming if it's just hitting your shoulders here and like flipping out that is that's a no bueno that's when we get into like dangling the baby territory but a sharp bob

if you have a sharp clean bob that's sick and for any face shape neck length i don't believe in the whole face shape thing because i think it's inherently racist because i think that it's trying to make everything look like a eurocentric oval face oh my god because okay so round faces are beautiful square faces are beautiful you know everyone's so to have to make everyone's face be this like euro oval yes okay so that's the whole thing, right? It's like, oh, how do we frame the face? And my whole life, it's like, well, you have, you know, Filipino, Asian, we have big faces. And it's like, how are we? And again, we've always kind of like, like revered the Western idea of a smaller kind of tapered, you know, this part of the face.

And it's like like you know what like you're absolutely right like whatever face shape goes no I'm fighting against like all those things like I'm obviously like a very offensive person I probably said about 40 things today to Esther that are questionable but like no ultimately like I one thing that I really try to push forward with everything with like hairstyling and you know I'm working on people that are like some of the most photographed people in the world is really trying to not make the Euro centric standard of beauty be like the ultimate. That's something that's really, really, really important to me. Even the fact that I don't have a nose job is is like is a no a progressive thing I eat a political statement it is a no it honestly is like I could have had a nose job when I was younger I'm

people in my family have all had nose jobs and I was like I'm not I'm not doing that makes me so happy because when I talk to people who said they considered getting a nose job in high school I'm like I'm just so glad that you didn't like i'm so glad you didn't and also guys like the nose no i think like men with um more like romantic noses are the hottest like i always notice the nose first yeah i mean plastic surgery on guys is pretty it's it's it's it's a fine line but i feel like it's swinging the other way now even for girls right because before it was like oh girls with like bigger noses like even including myself i've told you it's like people are like oh you have a hump you know that's what makes you beautiful

your nose is so beautiful i've always liked my nose up until i started doing podcasts or people started pointing it out and i'm like wait a second but i like that i haven't and will not yeah unless there's some need for it because I have a collapsed nasal valve. Well, that sounds bad. It is. Like I can't breathe out of this nose, but at the same time, it's like I don't want to do anything that might change that. No, if you had like a little Whoville nose, it would look so off on you. you and also like obviously there are exceptions to like you know every rule but like for the most part you take one thing away from what like the universe gave you and it's like then everything

else looks off balance and then you're like oh fuck i need to like move my eyes back because my nose doesn't match and you're just it's this like game that you can't keep up with like you kind of have the face you were given for a reason you know some people are obviously like disfigured or something and they need help like i'm not talking about them and i love those people but you know what i mean like so yeah i think it's kind of like a losing game to like try to you take one thing away and the rest doesn't work i agree i hope that the culture shifts more towards that because i don't like that everyone starts to look the same i feel like everyone is i hate how everyone looks the same now even with hair it's like i feel like and that's what i love like doing these old uh

because i also do a series on tiktok where i have this 1965 hairstyling booklet right and i'm doing every single hairstyle in the book on myself in wigs and there were so many different looks back then like hundreds of looks that you would see on the street and now it's like you see the same eight hairstyles you see the same 10 hairstyles you're right it's getting a little boring i mean not to say that i've ever had anything but boring hair but like still i i know what you mean. Everyone is looking like a carbon copy of the next. So if someone does want to have the Michael Jackson shoulder skimming, like go off.

If somebody wants to have like a pixie, like go the fuck off. I don't care. Like just sort of do your thing. Okay. That on that note, is it, is my hair so long that it's embarrassing? No, I love long hair. Really okay love long hair it's witchy it's like i love it okay yeah okay i can keep it okay um well i guess we're out of time i i feel a lot of things yeah i came here to make you feel stuff when i got handed the banana that was like a tough tough moment. But I feel like we've moved past that and I'm happy to be where we are.

Should we cheers with the banana? Yeah. Thank you for bringing all of this fun stuff. I know, again, I am taking it back. Honestly, if there was one thing I would steal, it would be the Farrah Fawcett. I think that's my favorite out of your pack. For me, it would be the Mars Attacks Martian Girl doll or Spice Girls.

Well, the next time I come, I'll bear gifts that you guys can keep. No, no, please don't. Please don't. No, I'm going to bear gifts that you guys can keep. Dave does not want... One more thing.

Did you have trouble receiving the gifts and why? I brought the baby beautiful, what I thought the baby would want, which is, again, like a Britney Spears doll, a Tickle Me Elmo. What else did I bring the baby? The Dream doll. Oh doll oh the band dream I don't think they made it past he loves you

not um and Dave was just like oh no oh why'd you bring so much stuff oh god like really like putting his hand in his face he didn't like receiving those things. Clay just went all out, which is what he cut, sort of what he does. It's just sort of his thing. Yeah. I, I, I go hard.

Yeah. That's so sweet. But then she gets to have all of that. Yeah. No, it'll be great. That's what an infant needs. Yeah.

You know? Of course. Clay, where can people find you? You're on TikTok. I'm on TikTok. So TikTok is, it's Clayton Hawkins,

I-T-S, Clayton Hawkins. Andck is it's clayton hawkins its clayton hawkins and then instagram just clayton hawkins not just but um we love you thank you for coming here i hope you'll come back i'll definitely come back please come back guys thanks for Oh my god.