Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - Out in 2024: Imposter Syndrome, New Year Resolutions with Chloe Cherry - Ep 150

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Starting point is 00:01:34 giving foot jobs okay i've never given my feet a virgin like i'm not talking about point anymore this is like my own personal and okay is it like what okay because i've never done a foot guy on here a couple episodes ago my feet i'm saving my feet for marriage. Is there foot foreplay? Do you slowly seductively take your socks off? Do you hand them a card that says circle? Yes or no. And then you come back. Do you foot job to completion? Slugs. Happy new year. I have three shows left on this tour this month, January 7th. That's this week in San Jose, January 18th in Portland, and then I'll be in Seattle January 26th.

Starting point is 00:02:12 You can get tickets at esteronice.com. Hey, Sluggies. I can't wait to meet you. I can't wait to perform for you. My set is so good, if I say so myself. A little cocky, but I think I've earned it. Come see me. You can see me next January 12th and 13th in Edmonton. You can see me February 16th and 17th in Denver,

Starting point is 00:02:31 Colorado. I'm doing Annie Wood and Friends February 20th, February 21st and 22nd. I'm in Vancouver March 1st and 2nd. I'm in Fort Worth, Texas. I will be in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I'm coming back to New Mexico, guys. I'm so excited. That's March 8th and 9th. At the end of March, I'll be in Washington, D.C. And May 9th, I will be in Los Angeles at the Netflix, the Netflix is a Joke Festival. And then in June, end of June, I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida. I'm sorry I had to change those dates. And you can see me every Thursday on Annie Wood. You guys, welcome back to Trash Tuesday. Happy New Year. It's New Year, baby. 2024. This is our first episode of 2024, so we're very excited to be ringing in the new year with a guest we've been wanting for a really long time. Please welcome Every Girl's Girl Crush, Chloe

Starting point is 00:03:20 Cherry. Here she is. Thank you. So gorgeous. Thank you. Hotter in person. Wow. Hotter in person. No, we were just saying that like in comedy, we don't really meet people as good looking as Chloe. So we're like really intimidated and just like excited. You know, she's like a foreign creature. It's a creature we're not used to seeing.

Starting point is 00:03:41 But wouldn't you say there are infinitely more attractive female comics than there are men? Yeah, and we're allowed to be. Because we have to be. Yeah. Really? Not by choice. It's almost like 9 out of 10, really. Wait, explain.

Starting point is 00:03:53 Because it's so hard to come by a good looking, like, they're all fogos. Did you just watch Stavros' special? Is that what this is about? No, I'm just kidding. I love you, Stavros. I think of the male comics. I think Stavros is the sexiest. Stavros, i voted yes to

Starting point is 00:04:05 banging you on would you bang him before anyone was following no i have vibes with starburst i love him but you already know i like i like them portly pleasantly plump and mustached so like oh i love the mustache mustache and like slight receding hairline really grow a mustache yeah it's fun. Oh, yeah. For me, maybe. Chloe was saying that she's ugly for porn. Yeah. That, like, I was, like, ugly for porn.

Starting point is 00:04:31 And I was really ugly for runway modeling. And really fat for runway modeling. No, maybe fat, but not ugly. Oh, my God. All runway models are ugly. No, you're so hot compared to runway models. Or if you look at them, you're like, oh, something's like, there's like an alien feature. Yeah, they definitely have alien vibes.

Starting point is 00:04:48 Yeah, especially if it's like super high fashion, right? Like I can't, you know, just being very like prototypically like pretty and symmetrical. I just feel like it's like not interesting anymore. Yeah, you're so right. I mean, not to like shit on like these gorgeously perfect specimens. Totally. No, they deserve it. But I don't find that they, like, they keep my interest, like, for very long.

Starting point is 00:05:10 Do you think plastic surgery is ever going to become, like, people getting filler in just one side of their face? I think you should try it. I think you should be the nurse. Do, like, a jack to, like, make yourself look asymmetrical instead? I mean, look, I make yourself look asymmetrical instead. I mean, look, I was born with beautiful asymmetry. So maybe this is my era. Wait, so Chloe, so you like kind of started your entertainment career in porn.

Starting point is 00:05:38 And then you were cast on Euphoria. And so now you're acting exclusively. I saw you're doing some indie films. And so are you done with porn? Yeah, I haven't shot a porn scene in over two years. Like I haven't been anywhere near the porn industry in over two years. I haven't been to like a porn event. I haven't shot a scene. I haven't like posted a nude. Like I haven't like done anything sex work related. Was that a long deliberation or was it like you woke up and you're like, I think I'm done with this? Honestly, it was just because of the fact that like I believe that like sex work wasn't going to last for forever for me. So I was like, I might as well get out now rather than like, you know, eventually get to a point where like I'm just not able to make money the same way I did at first.

Starting point is 00:06:23 And like I just wouldn't want to be like I didn't want to be like scrambling at some point you know I just figured I might as well just like make the transition when I got the chance to you know and also like porn is like um it's super fun but like it's just very like physical like I don't know like I was having sex last night and I was like damn I forgot how like hard porn was to like perform and you did extreme things like gang bangs you did like I mean the deep throat stuff I can honestly it's like two inches in I did crazy deep throaty like giant like f***ing

Starting point is 00:06:53 mandingo I don't know if you know who that is but like I do yes big yeah like really like good at down there and I loved it and it was so cool to perform and it was so cool for people to be like whoa wowzers do you have any like bloopers of you

Starting point is 00:07:08 just like throwing up on giant c**ks Roman shower those are not bloopers they like that actually yeah they like that because I remember there was like

Starting point is 00:07:16 I think two scenes where I did that and they were like yo this is so hot they're gonna love this and I was like okay because usually like

Starting point is 00:07:24 if I was gonna do like a c**k sucking thing I would try to eat something like an apple but first maybe it doesn't look as gross being thrown up in my opinion like not bologna or something yes exactly nothing like red color yeah and then like uh the the gang bangs were also like really cool and like they were just like craziness and like I don't know sometimes I look back on that and I'm just like whoa like young people are like so horny because like I just don't know if like I could keep up with my old self that way and like there's plenty of like you know you guys had Angela White on and like she to this day is like

Starting point is 00:07:59 she's been performing for so many years and she still does like all the hardcore stuff but like I just feel like I'm just so like unlike athletic you know like I'm not athletic enough to like do porn for that long I guess I don't know what it it's just I couldn't my body just like I couldn't keep up with that like because it is like it's like a sport it's like that makes sense to me because there's a there's a boxer his name is Lennox Lewis and I always always admired him because when he won the heavyweight title he was like I'm done with this like I'm not gonna wait for another dude to completely like brain damage me like I'm at the top of my game but I kind of understand that because like porn

Starting point is 00:08:38 but like this I mean the hardcore it's like it's one thing to do a sweet little like oh I f**k my stepbrother kind of like but the stuff that you did was really olympic level totally I but I did both I did a lot of the f**k my stepbrother stuff like a lot of that and then I also would do like really crazy stuff and like honestly the crazy stuff it just like pays more and it like gets you more popular and like people that are like super into porn are like into like the insane stuff you know and like I was like really looking to like you know make a name for myself and I just kind of knew that's how I was gonna do it but it's so crazy how like nothing in real life will ever compare to like the sex that happens in porn like there's no way I could

Starting point is 00:09:21 ever match that like I have never in my life had sex with somebody in real life and have them like match the energy of like make blue or like he's really popular like porn performers that like, you know, like just have been professionally for like 20 years, you know, like you'll never find that in real life. And do you guys want that from you? Like when you hook up with a guy for the first time, are they like expecting like a crazy? No, nothing. they expect literally nothing like i maybe i just like it's the type of guys that i i i thought that that was gonna happen like i thought like oh well since i do this stuff like every guy is gonna like want to do this and stuff but like most guys are just like super super normal and like i have to like talk them into doing anal and you're you're you're climbing talk them into doing anal. And you're going to talk them into doing anal is my dream. I could never.

Starting point is 00:10:08 I'm always like reject, reject, reject. But you've talked about how there are people who are just born to do porn. Yeah, totally. And like when you were younger, you knew that this is what you wanted to do. Was it because of the performance aspect of it? I honestly think I just have like a sex obsession and something like I literally like if I wasn't an actress I think I would be like a sexologist or something like I have a sex obsession like I would be like

Starting point is 00:10:35 a sex therapist or something like I love sex and like I just like everything about it like I think it's just like the greatest thing ever I just think that like some people yeah are just like born like being able to like perform in that way and like so many people like I remember when I first got in we're like this is so insane that you're doing this but like there's like it's just kind of like you know like something that I always say is like nobody chose to be born and we definitely didn't choose to have to work to live so a job should be all about what kind of day that you can get through and the kind of day that I could get through was like having hardcore sex you know like that's the kind of day I could get through like I couldn't get through the days that I had in the jobs that I had before being a porn star and then obviously

Starting point is 00:11:21 like doing porn like it really showed me how much i liked acting and stuff and like now i like really just want to be an actor from now on i just felt like because for some reason i just had this desire to like do it because what i really liked about porn was that you got to have a lot of sex but it took out all the personal stuff from it like you were having a lot of sex with attractive people that could like fuck really well but you didn't have to like hit on them you know didn't have to rizz them up or whatever like you didn't have to like drama yeah and you didn't like there just wasn't like all this like complicated stuff like you didn't have to fall in love with them even though i did all the time fall in love with really oh my god would they get the vibe too yeah this one guy i remember whenever we would do scenes together we would like we would come on set we'd

Starting point is 00:12:05 lock eyes and be like I miss you and then we would run up to each other and like kiss each other it was like he was my husband or something but he wasn't my husband and you never had like also just sorry just to clarify that's not how you would act with a husband I just want to make sure I know you're young but that's so hot it was really hot I think about it all the time yeah and you guys never like dated off camera we would like f**k off camera we never dated I don't really like I haven't been in like a monogamous relationship in like a long time I like can't really like handle being monogamous like I like it literally terrifies me this idea of like I like, I'm just going to f***, like, one person. And it's like, what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:12:46 Yeah, you sound like my ex-boyfriend. Have you always just been in, like, open relationships then? Honestly, yeah. But you've been a boyfriend girl, right? You've always been in long-term things. Yeah, I've had a lot of, like, boyfriends and just, like, situationships and stuff like that. And, like, I had, like, a girlfriend and it was all, all of it was all, like, open. Like, I've always had open relationships and I think part of it was because I was in porn and like they just didn't feel like

Starting point is 00:13:09 it was fair that like I was fucking people and that kind of just like and then now that I'm out of porn and I haven't been in porn or any sex work in two years like every person I see I still can't be like okay I'm just having sex with you and like know what else yeah and it's weirdly gotten like worse since I've gotten out of porn like now like I just fully like can't imagine being monogamous and like it uh kind of drives people away but I'm fine with it for now I think one day I'll change you know one day I'll be ready also there's so many people that are like poly and I don't want to be yeah you don't want to be poly I don't want to be poly. You don't want to be poly. I don't want to label it. I just want to f*** around.

Starting point is 00:13:47 Yeah. Like I just want to, I don't know. Like I don't want to, I hate the idea of like labeling, like we're poly. Like this is my primary partner. Like it just. I know. And then we're fluid bonding. That really makes me uncomfortable, that term.

Starting point is 00:13:58 I think the problem I really had. Problem I had being single is that like it's really hard for me to have just casual sex one night stands are just not something that I ever found um like it didn't seem fun like if I didn't have an initial connection with someone if there isn't like some type of like mutual liking like I'm out there has many romances are fine like when you have sex for three weeks four weeks like those situations situations. But outside of that, like hookup culture is weird to me. I feel like I could not survive a three week thing because I'd be like, so we're just walking away after three weeks. Like I would be so chemically

Starting point is 00:14:36 bonded. Really? I like that thought also freaks me out. Or they do something so icky that it takes you out of the chemical. I've had that happen where you're like, oh, we're, nope, this is done. I think for me it's because the first time you have sex with someone is hard. It's rarely ever that great. Like there is some type of like learning curve. Yeah. So it's like, I want to hit that peak before I exit. But I've had a guy where like, he's like, the sex is like really good and crazy. And he's like spitting in my mouth and it's like insane. And then he's like, it's three weeks later and he wants to come to a show and he's like trying to be funny. And I'm like, why are you talking to Kyle Kinane? Do you know what I mean? I'm like, I'm so embarrassed, you know? And then

Starting point is 00:15:17 I'm like, I gotta go. I'm still so turned off by men that are too good at sex. Like that's not, like that's feminine to me. I don't know. It's, I don't like it. It's not your. that are too good at sex like that's not like that's feminine to me i don't know it's i don't like it it's not your what's too good at sex like describe what too good at sex is it's just like they're too confident they're too they know their way like i just i'm not clunky there's no awkward like you always say like if a guy if you're hooking up with a guy and you could tell he's using moves from the last girl, it's just like, let's start fresh, clean slate. And you're right. Like the first time with a new partner is never that good. But that freaks me out because I'm like, isn't the first time like the only time guys like it with you?

Starting point is 00:16:00 Totally. Oh, my God. Yes. Because once guys have had sex with you, they're like, okay, time time to kill her that's what the cavemen do and you can't really when you're dating someone you can't be like i'm waiting they want to fuck right away right i mean no i want to fuck right away because like i just like what the fuck am i doing just like hanging out with some man that's like like i have male friends that like i don't fuck but like i'm not just gonna like hang out with just some guy and just like wait

Starting point is 00:16:26 to fuck them. I've never been able to it never makes any sense. Yeah no no way like if I'm attracted to you like I want to fuck you right away to like figure out like if I like you

Starting point is 00:16:33 because like I get sex and love confused I kind of like it. But it's working. I think sex and love I'm trying to think of where I stand on that because initially okay so I want to fuck him as soon as I see him of course and if there's an initial connection but I think I do wait it out just because I like the suffering of it all not even for him but for me yeah like I'm

Starting point is 00:16:59 never like an everyday sex kind of girl like even though I could and it's probably pleasurable I want to like build up and like edge out till like I'm like feeling the suffering and I have like my own version of blue balls yeah I like that right I can't believe that you want that why it makes it hot it yeah it's like withheld yeah but I'm more like on her thing of like let's just go yeah when you know you know how fun is it though when it's like a co-worker's man you can't tell anyone that's like the hottest when you're like no one can know that's me well that's me and Dave no one can know we have that we have that down pat now I also read in an interview that you said that like one day you want to write a memoir.

Starting point is 00:17:50 And I feel like all, you know, all of us girlies like have that in us in the back of our head. But I'm just curious, like, is there any certain subject? Like, I'm just curious, what would the Chloe Cherry memoir? I think I want to like really, really, really deeply get into like what got me on Euphoria. Because there's this misconception that because i made a euphoria porn parody that that's what got me cast on euphoria and that doesn't make any sense to me because like why would someone watch a porn parody and be like oh they should be in the real thing because like i also did like parodies of like so many other things like that 70s show and they weren't like oh let's uh you know like I don't know but like and I actually

Starting point is 00:18:25 made the porn parody myself I produced it myself but I made it after I had already gotten cast on the show because I just like was like oh like I might as well like do this because like I don't know I just thought it would be cool and like I didn't think it was gonna become such a big thing but like that's how everything is you know you did it after you were cast on the show after I was cast on the show and then everyone says the opposite exactly yeah and the way I got cast on Euphoria was Sam Levinson um he like found my Instagram and like my Instagram stories like I used to be like before I was on Euphoria and like when I had like last followers like I used to be like very like like I would constantly like make these like little

Starting point is 00:19:03 videos that where I would like just tell jokes or like I'd post memes and like I would just have like a crazy Instagram story and he was like really intrigued by that so they just sent me the audition and I remember Sam Levinson on set told me that like I made this video where I was like sitting in the mall and I was like looking to the side at people like this and he said that he just loved my eyes and thought they were perfect and like that's how I got cast on the show that's what sam levinson tells me and like also i know it wasn't from the euphoria porn parody because i was cast before i had made that you know and um so i don't know where the fuck people got that idea like who made that up like i don't know it's just it's scary having people like perceive you the narratives that are around and you never can

Starting point is 00:19:46 really can control them totally it's so weird yeah exactly and they love doing it there's no way and i just like i'm like who is like out here like coming up with these things and just like why are they so correct to people and like i don't know and i feel like every podcast i go on i tell the story that like i made the porn parody after I had already been cast on the show to celebrate being cast on the show which is also weird it's also a weird move I like it hopefully you do a trash Tuesday porn parody yeah she's out of the game though um how would you say like your life has changed since then and obviously it sounds like you like since then you quit porn but also like you, like since then you quit porn,

Starting point is 00:20:25 but also like, I don't know, do you go back to Lancaster where you're from? And like, what's that like being like on the biggest TV show, like of our, of the current generation? I mean,

Starting point is 00:20:36 I do go back to Lancaster because like my parents still live there and I like to see them and it's fine. Like it's literally never anything crazy. The only thing that's bad is that like sometimes I'll be out and like people I'll see like people that like I went to school with and they'll just be like staring at me. That's so funny. Does that feel a little good though? No, not at all because they creep me out. I don't know why. They're like, that's the girl that used to do the announcements used to do your school yeah exactly that's so funny yeah how did that how did you start doing the announcements I just I knew this teacher my favorite teacher in the school was a guy who like

Starting point is 00:21:15 ran the morning announcements and I just asked him one day I was like can I do the morning announcements he was like yeah and uh but then eventually I like stopped because I started like smoking weed in the morning they were too slow I just would like show up to school too late yeah by the time but yeah that was pretty irresponsible of me but um yeah it was kind of weird going back to Lancaster and like I don't know like and then people will all the time like say that they went to school with me that they had class with me like I see that all the time like you know I'll read like my comments people will be like oh I had class with her like I'll click on the profile be like I've never seen you in my life but that's kind of weird about going to Lancaster that a lot of people like claim that they like knew me or like they'll claim

Starting point is 00:21:56 these like different stories about me that like they had hooked up with me or like whatever and like they'll say all these things and um but other than that like going back to Lancaster is fun like I still have like one friend there who was like my best friend growing up and she's still there and she's amazing and Lancaster for the most part is pretty fun to go back to there's great thrifting so you I had heard on an interview that you did that a lot of like your friends that you were friends with in high school when you started doing porn were like you ruined your life and not a lot of them it was just one girl this girl that like was always like really really weird and like I was kind of just friends with her because like we were friends when we were younger and then like you know like you don't I'm the kind of person that like I don't want to like

Starting point is 00:22:38 abandon a friend just because they're being a crazy and a weirdo but like yeah she like said this whole thing where she was like you know you're never going to be able to have a husband or children or anything and like and it was just weird because like I don't know I've had plenty of guys like be like let's get married you know I don't think it stopped me from literally anything and um I just find it so odd that she said that but I really think that she said that because like she when we were growing up always said that she was going to be a model and then she never became a model and I think that she was like jealous that like I actually went for something like that instead of just like being too scared I don't know and also

Starting point is 00:23:16 now you are a model I know you're all of the things yeah is there any part of you that's like showed her you just don't even think about her anymore? I mean, I've honestly felt really bad for her for a lot of like I still feel bad for her. But, you know, I think she was just kind of like jealous and just kind of wanted to hurt me. But I then like my best friend growing up, Lizzie, like she literally like was the one who gave me money to get a cab to go to the airport to first go shoot porn. Like she believed in me so much. And she, I remember the night that I, before I left to go to Miami to like shoot my first porn, she was like, hey, look at Kim Kardashian. That's such a good friend. I know.

Starting point is 00:23:59 Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So like my like actual close friend, like she like like and then like my other most of my friends I like still talk to occasionally you know um they were mostly completely accepting of it a lot of them thought it was cool it was just this one girl that I was friends with that like was so horrible about it and like I don't know why did when you were little, did you ever imagine being a movie star? Yeah, but I honestly didn't think that I was like attractive or talented enough for that. Like I thought that like for some reason I was like, OK, I'm good enough for pornography, but I didn't think I was good enough for like modeling.

Starting point is 00:24:42 Because like I guess growing up, like people weren't like talking about how I was hot. Like it wasn't like no one. I don't know. Like it just wasn't like a thing of me being attractive. Well, they were all Amish. So they were making jam. They were churning butter, bitch. They were busy.

Starting point is 00:24:59 They were looking at you. But like I just never really thought I was like just like hot or cool enough you know I don't know so do you think you're hot and cool enough now uh yeah I think I'm just about I love that do you have any imposter syndrome or anything oh my god yes I like every time I'm on a plane I cry because I just am so nervous about my life and people perceiving me and my future and stuff. And for some reason on a plane, it's because I like I can't distract myself with like my friends or the Internet. So I'm just like there on the plane and I just I'm like watching the Barbie movie and I just start like crying because I just think about like I'm just so I have horrible imposter syndrome like I constantly think that like everything's just gonna like crumble down and people are just gonna you know what I mean like I just I don't

Starting point is 00:25:53 know like it's just so hard for me that's so relatable especially when you yeah totally but you can you can buy I pay $50 a month subscription and I am on the internet the second I can be on a plane. Try Hawaiian Airlines and you'll have it. But sometimes it doesn't even work. Yeah, when it doesn't work, it's rough. If it's over water, it will not work unless, you know. But that's so relatable because I feel like it's really only until you've hit a certain goal that you really start to feel the imposter syndrome. Like you go from like delusion thinking,

Starting point is 00:26:25 oh, I deserve this. I can get this. I'm entitled to this. And then you get it and you're like, I don't deserve this. Everything's going to come down. I'm going to lose it all. Oh my God, more and more and more.

Starting point is 00:26:34 Yeah, totally. And then the more that people perceive you, like the more opinions are said about you and the more that it like fucks with your brain. Because like you're always like the subject of discussion to people and like especially in like certain like scenes and stuff like it's just it's just weird like it just I don't know it messes with your perception and it's like what's the one thought or the one like you know it's it's one thing when you when you've done porn for so long and people talk to

Starting point is 00:26:58 you a certain way or about you a certain way which you're used to right they'll say everything they want call you this call you that but like what is the one thing after you started on Euphoria that made you like really insecure? Like, is my acting good? Is it like, like what is, what were you feeling the imposter syndrome over? Just like if I even have a good enough personality to be anything close to a celebrity, you know? Like what an interesting thought.

Starting point is 00:27:25 Because it's like, aren't you all just like, every celebrity, you don't have to have anything good to be one. Yeah. Aren't you supposed to show the director that you can be nothing? You're like, I'm supposed to show you I can have no personality in this moment and take on your personality that you've written. That's an angle, I guess. But you know what also is interesting?

Starting point is 00:27:43 I feel like some actresses are like, oh, I hope all my acting doesn't fall apart and I have to do porn. And you're like, you've reversed it, so now you kind of can only go, not that porn's down, but it's like, do you know what I mean? You started at a high.

Starting point is 00:27:57 I've never heard of an actor being like, I would do porn if I could. Now that I'm thinking about it, I also have not heard of that. That might. And I think that might be so funny. Now that I'm thinking about it, I also have not heard of that. That might be your plan. That might be my plan. That might be where I'm headed. There's one thing that you've done a couple videos on, which I'm so envious of because I think it's fucking genius because it's so regular, and that's peeing in public.

Starting point is 00:28:19 Oh, I love peeing in public. And it's because I have so many friends that just pee in public. Like, you know, we have Jenna. And she's like, fill me, fill me. And I'm like, she did it. Chloe is the renegade in this. Like, she has really done it. That was like my entire OnlyFans was me peeing in public.

Starting point is 00:28:34 That's so funny. Like, what do you mean? Like, just on the side of the road or like? Or anywhere. Literally anywhere. Different styles. Yeah. Different angles.

Starting point is 00:28:43 Anywhere. And people loved it. They loved it. And you don't. Uh-huh. Anywhere. And people loved it. They loved it. And you don't do OnlyFans anymore? No. That's restraint. I mean, if you were to go back, I think that's, I think you could just pee. I could do, probably have to poop in public now.

Starting point is 00:28:53 No, no, no, no. I mean, that disgusts me more than anything, but I think pee is hot. Yes. It looks sterile, right? Yeah. It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile.

Starting point is 00:28:59 It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile.

Starting point is 00:29:00 It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile. It's sterile. Are you a golden shower girly? Um, I, honestly, like, every dude that I have fucked in like the past two years has been like so vanilla. They would never do that.

Starting point is 00:29:10 Like the guy that I like dated for the longest, like I would ask him to do that and he'd be like, no, what the fuck? And then, yeah, I just, but like, I feel like I would, but like. It seems warm. It seems like of all the things that would be like. Okay. Speaking of piss once and for all, I know you've already said this in another interview but like i need you to demystify squirting oh and tell the world what it is well every time that i demystify squirting

Starting point is 00:29:35 and then i like there's always like a reddit thread that comes up where they're like chloe cherry's just jealous that she doesn't squirt and it's like no like i did porn like i worked with people that were like very famous for squirting in the industry and i would watch them like drink a bunch of water like pedialyte was what they really liked and like that's how they would get those like big squirts and like isn't it like doesn't it just feel like logical that like you would have to drink a lot of water for that that like your body isn't just that it's not i don't i that's how it works but you're saying it's just urine right in porn it is but like your body could like squirt but it's not going to be like the way in porn it's like where it's right yeah like giant like water like totally that's not the way that like real

Starting point is 00:30:23 like the sprinkler because like your pussy can be like so wet and juicy that like squirts a little bit but like it's not going to be like I squirted where it's like you're in a huge puddle wait you really have yes and I don't it's not like consistent it's just sometimes but I also cannot come if I have to pee so it's like so I don't know where the squirting comes in totally I just guess the reason I always say that about squirting is because that's what everybody did in the industry was they would have to like drink a bunch of water. Like no one just like came to set and was like just spraying the squirt everywhere. It's pretty rough. It's hard.

Starting point is 00:30:56 It's a hard life. You got to bring quarters for people to do their laundry. It's like you're leaving a mess. What is the history of squirting? Like when did it first like appear in porn? I think it's, I don't know when it first appeared in porn. I'm pretty sure it was, like, the 2010s, but don't, like, take my word for it. But, like, what, the reason why men like it is because, like, men that watch porn tend to, like, not really, like, men that watch, like, a lot of porn and, like, that's where, like, they basically, like, they don't really, like, have sex or really, like, they like a lot of porn and like that's where like they basically like they don't really like have sex and really if they just kind of watch porn like they don't

Starting point is 00:31:28 really comprehend the idea of like coming without something spraying out yeah they can't understand so like they like don't comprehend the idea that like a woman could just like come and like nothing sprays out of her because like when they come something sprays out of them so like they don't understand that like a woman could come and like nothing sprays out. So it's probably attached to their ego. Yeah, totally, totally. To be like, well, if this is what I've seen women can do, like let me get you there. And it's like my body doesn't do that.

Starting point is 00:31:56 I mean I can just pee all over you if that's what you want. I think I'm having a pregnancy aversion to Annie's squirt. Like it's triggering my acid reflux, the thought of it. Triggers Todd's too. So are we still undecided on whether or not like, I don't know, like there has to be. I don't feel it's pee, I'll say. When it happens, it doesn't feel like the same as pee. Really?

Starting point is 00:32:19 So you're like our evidence here. It just doesn't, it doesn't look this, I don't know. I've never tasted pee or my squirt, but I'll'll investigate but i just never know when it's gonna happen in porn they like drink a bunch of water to do it yeah so like when you're watching porn i'll try i'll investigate i mean there's like stuff is i like like otherworldly like they're spraying the whole room and it's like every five seconds yes literally anytime they tap it it's yes exactly exactly that's what i'm talking about like that's not that's like you have to like drink a lot of water and like pee because like i used to do

Starting point is 00:32:53 squirting scenes and like i would just drink a ton of water and like yeah it's um but like i have seen like riley reese squirts for real but it's literally like, yeah, you know, like, yeah. The first time I squirted, I was in a hotel room that had a hot tub in it. So maybe my pussy like kegeled it in. Maybe I absorbed it in. Like really humid in the room and you were moist. And then you have, um, I've heard you talk about, um, anal orgasms and how you describe it actually makes sense to me no one has ever described it before in this way where you're basically just hitting the g-spot but from a different angle right yeah yeah it's like from the other like your g-spot is like deep in your pussy and then like it you if you can get in your ass like you can hit the g-spot from the other way

Starting point is 00:33:41 so it's like a deeper prostate basically yeah. Yeah, yeah, kind of like that. And I've heard that like some people, like because your G-spot can be positioned in like different places depending on like the person. And I've heard that like for some people, it like hits more than others. And like, I don't know, it's different for everybody, you know? Does anyone have theirs in their throat?

Starting point is 00:33:59 Is that where yours are? When they're blowing guys? I have a question going back to the pee. So you don't like poop because one of my friends. I hate poop. I'm staring at poop. Don't bring poop back. My boyfriend's boyfriend wanted pictures of her pooping.

Starting point is 00:34:12 They bring it out. They have it on a tray. They're like, oh, you're grossed out by this. I'm very anti-poop girl too. I hate poop. I don't admit to doing it in front of my partner. I hate when people poop in my house no matter who they are. Even if it's my mom, I'm just like, don't poop in my house.

Starting point is 00:34:26 No one, no. If I'm in a hotel room with a boy, I go down to the lobby to use the bathroom. I do not go in the room. My parents won't let me poop in our house, but it's because there's a sewage issue. And my dad, recently, the last two trips home, has asked me if I could save my poop for when I go to a gas station. I'm like, dad, I'm pregnant. Like this is not sustainable. Yeah, no, I'm door open. Eye contact. I like watching my man poop. We have bidets. It's nice and clean. I mean, I don't really mind someone else doing it in front

Starting point is 00:34:58 of me. Like just me personally. Like I'm so shy about it. Every guy I've dated in the past like 10 years has had to take a shit on our first date in my apartment it's like crazy oh my god one time I had a guy over to fuck and he comes in he's like hey and he goes I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the bathroom really quick and then

Starting point is 00:35:17 he is in there for a long time and then like he opens the door and it like smells I'm like oh he took a shit and I literally was just like you have to go home yeah I sent him home I don't hear about and it like smells. I'm like, oh, he took a shit. And I literally was just like, you have to go home. Yeah. You sent him home? Yeah, I sent him home. I don't hear about this on first dates

Starting point is 00:35:29 and I'm like, you gotta just call the date. Like you can't do that. Yes. Who are these people? We didn't, Todd did that and we did not hook up.

Starting point is 00:35:37 Why don't you just do an enema before every date? We did. Like, are they that confident? Normalize enemas, man. Normalize enemas. They probably think it's gay. They're like, it's gay to do an enema i used to feel bad for the girls that would have to poop at the club like you ever go to a club you go to the restroom and someone is like struggling and you're like all the fucking places like it couldn't happen before they're sloppy that's a sloppy move that means they

Starting point is 00:36:07 didn't like shit enough before they went out yeah or they did a lot of cocaine oh really that makes a lot of sense stimulants any stimulant will make you poop like coffee but yeah i wonder i can't relate but why is it so bad to do it at the club? Like, you look so pretty. You're so dolled up. You're like, can you imagine Esther's legs like dangling under the thing as she poops? It makes five more minutes. You're wearing like, like cute club shoes. My purse turned into a squatty potty when I put it over. Do you have a squatty potty in your purse? It makes me sad to think of myself getting so glammed up, putting in all that effort,

Starting point is 00:36:45 choosing the right shoes, and then realizing like, oh, fuck, I have to take a shit in like this public bathroom. I could not disagree more. It's like, that is such a bonus to your night. Like, now I'm going to feel better. Like, I'm going to have, I'm going to be lighter. Girls are on the couch. These are the pee girls. Pee versus poop. That's this episode episode guys i definitely don't call it that i promise i'll put poop in the title for you i do want to clarify i'm also afraid of poop like that's obviously such a scary thing all right i'm poop i'm poop you guys are p like when you have you know when you do it in the back in the back space oh my i listen i'm scared

Starting point is 00:37:28 of residue okay when i i did when i did anal it was like a to-do i did it with one guy one i was i'm not an anal girl maybe in the future but as of now not it was such a to-do with this guy that i was calling all my gay friends i was calling porn stars they were so over me they were like this is so embarrassing to ask it's like if someone asked us like how to start doing comedy. Like, where do you do your first open mic? I'm like, how do you do anal? This girl was like, we're done. I ate soup for breakfast.

Starting point is 00:37:53 I did an enema. The guy that I was living with needed to come up. I had to buzz him in. So I took the enema and then he like, he did the buzzer and I had to like cut my ass and like run to the door. Oh. And then come back. It was wild.

Starting point is 00:38:05 It was wild. And I did not shit on his ass. I feel like if you're doing anal prep, it's like the night needs to go on your time. Like he needs to wait at the door. It wasn't. We knew it was happening. No, that's the different guy. That was like my roommate. And then I was going to like the hotel.

Starting point is 00:38:19 It was only he got a hotel. It was like an anal hotel. We wanted an analcation. Can you name a couple anal hotels? Is it higher than anal hotel? I don't remember what it was, but it was on, it was near the bus. I was going to see my nieces and I would take the bus to Boston from New York. So he got a hotel near the bus. It was like very sweet. He was a gentleman. And so then I'm on the phone with my friend and on the bus, like, and I'm trying to be quiet, but I'm so loud. And I'm like, and then he fucked me in the ass. And I like did this enema. And I'm like telling the whole

Starting point is 00:38:48 anal story. I get to my sister-in-law, I would meet my sister-in-law at her work. She's like, works at this bank and fraud. Like she's like a big deal and it's a very proper place. And I get there and she goes, um, one of my, uh, employees just asked if you were on the Bolt bus because her sister was sitting in front of you and heard everything you said Annie oh my gosh

Starting point is 00:39:13 you had that Bolt conversation but I feel like it's more embarrassing for her to have like eavesdropped unless you were really just announcing it to the whole I don't know I don't know my volume I will say if you got to eavesdrop on that kind of conversation about juicy you were lucky yeah you loved it all the way the whole thing was very good i want to get back to anal hotels do we can we can we agree hilton hyatt anal hotels yes um any boutique

Starting point is 00:39:43 family-owned bed and breakfast, not anal hotels. I don't know. It's nice to have a nice home-cooked meal afterwards. No, but you want a hotel where you can like

Starting point is 00:39:51 call down on the front desk and like 24 hours Yeah, you can leave a hundred. You can leave them like, look, I made a mess. But it's like, you're not usually making a mess. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:39:59 I've never had like a messy anal experience. You want extra towels when you need them. You want room service. You know, you might be sore or whatever.

Starting point is 00:40:07 Do you guys ever take Imodium? Only if it's intractable diarrhea and I'm on my sixth day of like death. Oh wow. But that's the lube.

Starting point is 00:40:14 I take Imodium every time I do anal. Just so you make sure it's not, it's like, it stops. And then I like enema a lot.

Starting point is 00:40:23 Right. It works. And then are you kind of like, are you like stuffed up afterwards? Like constipated afterwards? Because my sister-in-law had to make me, she had to make me chili. And then my niece came up to me and she's like, here, auntie, my mom told me to give you a prune. So cute. Aww.

Starting point is 00:40:40 I got fudge packed. Triggering conversation for the pregnant lady. Just don't picture it. No, I've been doing, have you done a suppository? It's like vaginal, not anally. Oh, okay. Way to one up me. But like you stick something up your butt and then it like triggers.

Starting point is 00:41:02 And then you start pulsing. It kind of, yeah, I don't know why, but it why but it just it's all greasy it is always very greasy it's a tablet of grease yeah because they have suppositories for hemorrhoids oh maybe you have the one that i take is canasa which um we did on the live show i put a suppository on my butt i don't remember that he blacked it out i was blackout drunk from my belly button. Yeah, no, I'm very happy with my relationship with suppositories right now. I had a great morning. What kind of suppositories do you take? Oh, so it's the brand Fleet.

Starting point is 00:41:34 Fleet Rules. You know it? Yeah. Why are you so greasy? I always have their enemas at home. Fleet enemas. Yeah. You're not alone, Esther.

Starting point is 00:41:42 I'm with you. I see you. I see you. Way to branch out,. I see your job. I'm like, they've changed my life. I have a fleet fetish. I do too. I really do. Do you do foot stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I, uh, I suck toes. Okay. And I like my toes sucked and, uh, I love giving foot jobs. Okay. I've never given my feet a virgin. Like I'm not toes sucked. And I love giving foot jobs. Okay. I've never given my feet a virgin. Like I'm not talking about porn anymore.

Starting point is 00:42:10 This is like my own personal sex. Okay. Is it like, okay. Cause I've never done like. We had a foot guy on here a couple episodes ago. My feet, I'm saving my feet for marriage. But. Okay. But do you like, is it like when you go to give a blowjob and you kind of like kiss down

Starting point is 00:42:21 the, do you kind of like run your toes down their waist and like. No, I'm pretty like. Is there there foreplay is there foot foreplay I'm I think maybe because I did so much porn I'm kind of just straight to the chase I'm like do you want a foot job sit down do you slowly seductively take your socks off wait do you hand them a card that says circle yes or no and then you come back do you foot job to completion i it's pretty hard you have to be like really into feet to do that so i think i did like in porn but i don't think i have like in my personal life done a foot job to completion usually it's just like a fun little thing can i can i pitch you a title for your memoir? Yeah. Chloe Pops Your Cherry.

Starting point is 00:43:05 Yeah, I was, I have an idea for it. I'm not going to share it, but I'm thinking of it in my head right now and it's a good idea. Okay. I feel rejected, but it's okay. Look, you make pitches in life. I know, I know, I know. Keeps you strong. Keeps you strong. You can't ever be rejected by. Chloe, you're a collage artist right or yes a performance artist you're an everything artist yeah I'll do anything honestly to be creative because like when I get bored or like sad I just want to like be creative and I did a different interview this morning and they were talking about my rapping on um SoundCloud and I was like I don't even think I'm good I just I don't know it's just something to do you know yeah and that's why I was like, I don't even think I'm good. I just, I don't know. It's just something to do, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:47 And that's why it's on SoundCloud and not Spotify. And that I do make the collages, which I think are better than the wrapping. It's like objectively better. But still, like, I haven't made one in a while because I also like don't really, I also have imposter syndrome with that where I'm like, there's no way I could be an artist, an artist, you know? Yeah. I heard you saying you were like, I wish I could just sell my collages. Yeah. I wish that I could, like, I didn't have to like, I didn't have to like constantly be

Starting point is 00:44:13 like getting, like doing auditions and like, you know, getting rejected or like, you know, getting the role or like, you know, like I wish that like my collages sold for like millions of dollars. Like that's what I, I wish was going on. I feel the same way because I draw and it's like sometimes like with comedy, it's like it's just never ending. Like Esther knows it's like we make a like we make our set and then there's to be a new set. And then it's like it's always like growing and evolving. So there's never really like an end to anything. And sometimes like I was doing this festival in Vegas and I was on Fremont Ave and I was like watching like the tin guy. And I was like, who, by the way was on Fremont Ave and I was watching the Tin guy.

Starting point is 00:44:46 And I was like, who, by the way, inspired my outfit? But I'm like, I picked something too hard. I was like, I could just be there as a guy weaving things together and selling them. I was like, why am I not just weaving something? I would love to just draw and sell that. I know. That sounds so much more meditative than what we do. But don't you think it would turn into the same thing? I think it be the same thing then it would be like it's too hard to create art

Starting point is 00:45:09 yeah I I feel really similarly to you where it's like it doesn't need to be good like I just do it I need to when I'm bored or sad or alone like I need to do something creative to express myself and I found that I really I think a lot of us judge ourselves where it's like, well, it's not good or no one's going to see this. So why am I writing it? And I just am really working on getting those voices out of my head because it is sort of just to stay afloat to just get things out is really good. And also like my fiance and I get into this like argument a lot.

Starting point is 00:45:45 out is really good and also like my fiance and I get into this like argument a lot so like when if we ever do like a craft not to flex um but like so we were making stockings for the holidays and he you are really nest you're nesting I know I don't know how this happened but he was like they're fishnets you find out he was it's for our anal occasion he was like um your color palette like he was just like nitpicking my color palette he's like you're gonna just i go really fast when i do it and sloppy and he's like it's supposed to be neat and cute and i'm like no it's supposed to be like different lives baby that's like like that's the entire book of like rick rubin right like where he's basically like like the reason he's so good at his job and has been like has produced like you know iconic albums is because he doesn't care about what people like he only trusts what he likes so it's like for him it's

Starting point is 00:46:38 like like real like artists it's like you you've just got to like what you put out like without even thinking about yeah yeah i think you're the real artist but dave dave is also making what he likes probably more better than i am so yeah more better let's be more better this year i want to let you know she was sick a while ago and isn't still yeah i was sick like weeks ago it was just a common cold i got tested for everything it was just a common cold. I got tested for everything. It was just a common cold. I told her ahead of time that you've been cursed with COVID. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:09 I've never had COVID in my life. What? Yep. What is your blood type? I don't know. Sparkly, dark? What the fuck? Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:47:18 Oh, my God. Don't put that banana there. You're making us funny. You're making us look bad. She's like, oh, my God. Too hot, Chloe Cherry. Too hot. I can't believe you didn't know you were hot.

Starting point is 00:47:28 Honestly, I still don't know. No one will ever convince me. Kalilah. Kalilah knows. Do you know now? No, no, I'm not. It took a while. Sometimes it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:47:37 You're really hot. It's crazy. It's super hot. Thank you. Thank you. We had dinner at Pache, you, me, and Sawyer. Yeah. And I remember sitting down.

Starting point is 00:47:47 So I was like, come on in. I'm having a meeting with someone. But just come in. Drop. And as soon as I saw it was you, I was like, oh, my God. I was like, I can't even look her way right now. I swear to God. Do you remember that?

Starting point is 00:47:58 Yeah, totally. Did you go in the bathroom and beat your asshole real quick? Because I was nervous to meet you. I was like, she's too cool for me. Yeah, but we didn't say a single word to each other I think that's what happens where I'm like oh god like it's the same reason like how I don't know how to flirt with boys I actually yes yes but I know how to effectively oh my god I was just talking about that with my friend yeah that like ugly guys like you can just like throw game at them but then like guys are actually like you

Starting point is 00:48:19 just completely ignore and just like oh I've never like yeah I'm like you can't if a guy thinks they can have me I'm like I don't know how to if I think a guy's hot I mute him on Instagram and never talk to 100% I always say the first night I met my I met Dave when I saw him my first thought was that guy's hot I need to stay away from him I need to hide yeah I think something short circuits in our brains where it's like it's almost like I cannot stand the thought of possibly desiring this person and handle the rejection of it all so it's like how about I just like delete him from my head also I don't trust myself yeah with an ugly guy you're like it's like I can write this off of my taxes this is you're gonna be so grateful and then you like date them and

Starting point is 00:49:00 they're so mean to you and you're like oh wait my bad wait that is that is so true by the way oh shit I thought this was gonna be really easy mean to you and you're like, oh, wait, my bad. Wait, that is so true, by the way. Oh, shit. I thought this was going to be really easy. No, because you're like, oh, wait, I'm so much cuter than you. You're going to be really nice to me. No, not all the time. Mean to me. Have you ever had like a boyfriend or like some guy that you're like just seeing or whatever

Starting point is 00:49:21 and like you like can very much objectively tell like he's like less attractive than you but he's like so fucking sure that he's like hot hot hot hot hot yeah that would piss me off to no end yes that's like yeah that's I feel like every guy that I date they're just like I mean I I'm really attractive so like I always get this female attention I'm like what are you okay sure and then you have to like and then to like tell him the truth female attention. I'm like, what are you? Okay, sure. And then you have to like dig in. And then to like tell him the truth, you'd have to be like, well, I was actually doing kind of like a low self-esteem thing where I was like trying to get you to like put me on a pedestal and then you have to like admit too much. Wait, is that a really unfair question to ask your partner?

Starting point is 00:49:55 Like who do you think the hot one is in the relationship? I am going to ask that in my next relationship. Yeah, I really am curious. I do that every time, Gwaila. I've done that many times. And the answer is, if it's not you, you should start a fight, right? The one answer is that you are. Yeah, of course. Being with a guy who identifies as hotter than you, like, no, no, sir. It's all your power. You don't want to be my ex. I know you're like, delusional. Okay, but I chose you. So here we go.

Starting point is 00:50:23 We have to be the prize. I think that's like our job. I love being the prize. Totally. Yeah, I agree. But it's hard with like men in LA. Like they think they're like really cool and hot. They're like, look at my car. You're like, okay, you have rims on a Honda.

Starting point is 00:50:38 Good job. I think it came from that. I think it came from the place like that. I think you bought them. Dave, like one thing I love about him is that he really does not spend money on himself. it came from that i think it came from the place like that i think you bought them dave like i one thing i love about him is that he really does not spend money on himself like he has no self-confidence so he just like that's her favorite thing yeah it's like shitty car just like but i think you guys are gonna like drop cash on your kid that's what my mom keeps saying i don't think so we

Starting point is 00:51:00 already we're getting our all of our nursery from ikea. We're like, this shit, it doesn't last long. Ikea's cute. Because Ikea's gross. Yeah. Like, why would we invest in, like, a nice nursery or whatever? But so last night I was thinking, I was finally like, I guess it would be kind of nice to be with a man who, like, had a nice, had nice stuff that I could, like, share. We could share our lives. But, yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:24 This is what I chose. I chose the Honda Civic for life. Well, you don't want to date a guy. But I have like a brand new one and I'm really into it. I love Honda Civic. I have a brand new Toyota Corolla. They're really nice.

Starting point is 00:51:36 They're amazing. Yeah, they're so fast. They're so good. Yeah, Teslas are faster. But I'm so sorry because I had a Honda too and it was fun and fast and then I got the Tesla and I'll never go back.

Starting point is 00:51:49 Yeah, I just feel like such an asshole douchebag if I got a Tesla like oh that's the best part yeah that's the best part you cut people off and you're not there for their it's like you manage those emotions I'm gone baby I'm no longer around you you can find me yes I'm doing my makeup I feel I my Toyota Corolla identifies as a Tesla. I would love to see you come into a Tesla. You'd be so cute in a Tesla. Can I just say, I really- We should get you the Tesla, the X, where the doors go up. That's a good mom car.

Starting point is 00:52:14 The Toyota Corolla really is legit, though. I'm obsessed with that car because my mom has one. It's so good. Actually, the exact same one as yours. Toyota's rule. I had Toyotas my whole life. They absolutely fucking rule. No, I get in it and I'm like, this is- Or Hondas, sorry.. Toyota's rule. I had Toyotas my whole life. They absolutely fucking rule. No, I get in it and I'm like, this is...

Starting point is 00:52:26 Or Hondas, sorry. I like Hondas. I've had Hondas like my whole life. I always had cameras like that. And then I had a weird thing happen where I had to switch to Hondas. And I was like, it was good, but it was like, I did miss my Toyotas. What do you mean a weird thing? It was like a documentary that I did.

Starting point is 00:52:40 I was in the Comedy Store documentary. And they wanted to do a storyline where this old comic from the Comedy Store who was working as a car salesman now at Honda was going to like, the Comedy Store was going to like hook me up with this car. So I went to Alan Berski at Ocean Honda and they sold me a car that was so much more expensive than the Toyota I had and put me out so bad. And the gas, it was like a gas guzzler. And it was to the point where it was like it was a problem and there was no storyline about it. And I just had a car.

Starting point is 00:53:09 I was like, I just signed a lease. There was no help. I forgive and I forget. And guys, watch the Comedy Store documentary on Showtime. Episode four and five are the cutest. There will be nothing about the Honda Civic in the show. You will not know anything, but you may see some tension. What was the cool boy car in high school?

Starting point is 00:53:24 Like for me, it was if you had. It was a hatch some tension what was the cool boy car in high school like for me it was if you had um it was a hatchback that was the shit yeah jeddah jeddah no way everyone had a jeddah everyone was a jeddah jeddas every i mean i would have never guessed it might have been pennsylvania yeah in pennsylvania every motherfucker has a jeddah for us it was the um honda but the hatchback okay no we would have thought that was i would have been like really yeah acuras were cool um lexus was king and then a lot of uh my friends had like the older old mustangs those were cool like my friend cars my friend alex who was a drug dealer who was like making like i think he's i think maybe r.i.p but

Starting point is 00:54:03 r.i.p uh we're not sure most of the kids from my high school are no longer with us but um he she's not really old she just went to like a school for bad kids yeah they're elderly I'm 97 years old I'm the class of 97 not because of the year but because of my age but um so yeah he drove a Lexus. That was like, and he made like $50,000 selling Coke. He was like the cool guy. But guys, it didn't turn out well for him. So I'm going to tell you now, you shouldn't be making 50 grand a month in high school. You might not make it.

Starting point is 00:54:35 Holy shit. 50 grand a month in high school? It was crazy. It was crazy. I would be dead too. It was crazy. Everyone was dead. Also his mom.

Starting point is 00:54:42 His mom. Oh, Asab was cool. Yeah, Asab was so cool. Kind of girly though. But you're from Vermont. Vermont's different. What do you mean? Like a Volkswagen Rabbit would be cool there.

Starting point is 00:54:52 My dad did this crazy thing that I will never forget. The first time we came to America from the Philippines, I was a teenager. And he was really proud about this car that he had purchased for the family, which was like a French car called a Renault. And I'm telling you, it was like the only Renault in Los Angeles. And it broke down like the second day we were here. There wasn't a Renault. It wasn't practical, but it was, no, it wasn't. But like my dad was really into sobs too. Cause he was like, they make planes or something like that. I was like, okay, like very European. Yeah. My dad was into sobbing. There was a lot of cries. I've been trying to get that edge that went in for a while when she brought up sobs.

Starting point is 00:55:38 That's what I thought at first too, which is sobs. Hobbs is like oh like yeah of course my boy okay my boyfriend that I dated um freshman year of high school who basically ruined my life he took my virginity on a waterbed he was in prison for years not for fucking me but um he had he had a dodge neon it was like red and he had rims on it and he would he would wear like his hat like kind of like on top of his head and he would lean back his seat so you could only see like the little button on the top of his head and he would lean back his seat so you could only see like the little button on the top of his head and he would be like driving like this brad and he would come in and we're like brad's so cool he's so awesome and then he told the whole school i fuck like a dead fish which i think is fucked up when i was literally swimming i was on a waterbed it's like

Starting point is 00:56:17 that is such a mean thing it ruined it actually ruined my life It made me so insecure to fuck people. But also like, okay, can I just say though, to defend, not to defend Brad or men who talk like shit about like women, but like the stuff that I've said about men to like my girlfriends, like he obviously told everyone that like, that's fucking asshole. Well, the school had 17 kids graduate in class. So he just had to say it, whisper it once. Yeah, but that's like fucked up, right? But like, I think you've actually mentioned this on a show where it's like, we say worse things and more explicitly and with more detail to each other about our sex stuff than men ever do.

Starting point is 00:56:56 I wonder though, is it a reaction to having been tugged shit on for me? Is it like, okay, this motherfucker did this and I'm telling every, I'm going to say, tell every centimeter. Also, dead fish was such an insult for us when we were younger, right? I'm like, I'm trying my best. I'm 14 years old. I can barely ride a bike. I learned how to ride a bike three years ago, dude.

Starting point is 00:57:12 I remember a guy telling me one time, like, no, he didn't tell me. He told a bunch of our friends. He was like, yeah, you know, she was like, fun to fuck, but she didn't have enough ass. And I was like, you, and this guy was so fucking ugly. Like, probably of all the guys I've ever fucked, the ugliest guy i've ever fucked in my life and he had the fucking nerve i thought i was like this was a charity case i thought i was like being mother theresa and being like you know what bleep his name out i was like you know what i'm gonna give looks like he hasn't been laid in a while i was like i'm gonna fuck his ugly ass

Starting point is 00:57:42 talk shit to you and bleep that out again but and then we had sex and he told a bunch of my guy friends like, yeah, she just didn't have enough. I love your ass for me. And I'm like, fuck, bro, you didn't have enough dick for me. There's a lot of things you were missing, but I didn't have enough chin. Oh, it was so interesting that like people in high school were saying that like when you fuck them because everyone that i had sex with in high school like never said anything i don't know i i mean at least it never got back to me and maybe that's why i became a porn star because it was so confident in my sex abilities i'm thinking that well you're saying that girls say worse about i think guys are worse no because guys are not in as

Starting point is 00:58:25 detailed like when we say stuff i think they are detailed i've i've heard even men have talked to me about guys or girls that they fucked and it's like they're it's like fucked up i'm like why are you saying yeah like my what i've heard my guy friends say and i'm always like i don't say stuff like this like what even to you guys like i i don't feel the need like even like the person i was with who had a mp my master plan i like have positive i found positive reviews i think it's not necessary i'm not talking about shit talking i'm talking about the details we exchanged with each other about the sex that we're having oh i feel like i like will like shit talk but, like, shit talk to my friends. I'm not going to, like, go to his friends

Starting point is 00:59:06 and be like, you want to know something about your friend, you know? Yeah. That would actually be amazing. Zero out of ten. Go tell him. I think I've done that.

Starting point is 00:59:14 I think a guy who gave me BV, I was like, he needs to wash his dick more. I think I, like, told everyone in Santa Fe. I mean, that's like, but that's just, like, public health announcement.

Starting point is 00:59:22 I'm like, tell your friend to wash his dick. Like, what the hell, dude? Yeah. If they gave you something, that's fair. That's PSA. I'm smelling it the whole fucking time. His like famunda cheese.

Starting point is 00:59:30 It was like he wasn't like, he didn't wash his fucking uncircumcised dick enough. And then, and he was so mad at me because I really, he tried to fuck me for so long. And I finally, and it was good sex, but then it was nasty. I'm like, ew, you left me with a fish filet. I smelled so nasty. It was so gross. Guys talk about everything. It's like, and this is what I just tell them, like, like they'll complain about like different kinds of smells or the, you know, girl they hooked up with wasn't clean enough or. I just did that. What? It's just funny because I just did that about him. Oh yeah,

Starting point is 01:00:03 but I don't, I don't know. I'm just, I always tell my, I'm like, you guys are gay. Like, you just don't like vaginas. I think a lot of guys are gay. There was this guy in porn that I loved working with who would tell me that, like, he didn't like, he couldn't get as turned on when a girl was, like, super clean. She, like, douched a lot and, like, wore a bunch of perfume that, like, his dick wouldn't get as hard because she didn't like smell like a natural woman.

Starting point is 01:00:25 I like that. I get that. I like when guys are like that. That's fun. Yeah. When they want you a little. That's definitely the preference of the show. Not like smelly.

Starting point is 01:00:31 Yeah, but like a little like. Smelling a natural person. I almost feel like that was a problem. The guy that I'm seeing now has just no body odor and I'm like a kid, like scratch and sniffing, like you know scratch and sniff stickers? I do that. I keep searching for a scent

Starting point is 01:00:50 because I'm like, I need to know that you stink a little or you have like some type of like, you know, odor about you, but he just doesn't. And Bobby didn't either. No body odor, nothing. Do you think it's,

Starting point is 01:01:02 do you think he's like cleaning himself a lot before he sees you? No, it's not. It's genetic. And he has a rugged-y job, too, so he would have a smell. No, he works in the office. How can you tell? Office of the rugged-y job?

Starting point is 01:01:12 Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. And he has a fantasy that she masturbates to your... No, no, no. I was right. You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he does the office job of the rugged-y. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:21 No, but Bobby had the same thing where it was like he just never had body odor because he you know some Koreans some Asians don't I found it to be really unfair but yeah no it sucks when there's a smell in the room and it's not mixed like oh it's just me oh fuck I wonder what I smell like I feel like I just can't tell like I always like trying to like smell myself like ask people if like I smell or whatever they're like no feel like I just can't tell like I always like trying to like smell myself like ask people if like I smell or whatever they're like no but like obviously they're just being nice. But do you find that you have a keen sense of smell for like other things around you? Yeah yeah but I feel like I have like a pretty like my nose isn't really that sensitive like

Starting point is 01:01:58 I can deal with like bad smells. Oh yeah you can that's right. Yeah because that is interesting because like a good thing. Sensory adaptation really is a thing, right? Yeah. Because there are people who do not smell their own BO and it is very, very strong.

Starting point is 01:02:11 It's so weird. And you're like constantly worried that that's me. Oh, no. I worry about that too. Yeah. Someone would tell you. Someone would tell you.

Starting point is 01:02:17 Okay. I think if you're a pretty girl, someone will tell you. Okay. I think if you're like a nasty big dude, people are like, you're already a nasty big dude.

Starting point is 01:02:24 Except I do tell people, like there's some people that work in my area who are really and I'm like, you have you can't smell like this. This is crazy. I make jokes or whatever. But I had a friend when I had a TV show, four episodes. You guys might have missed it. It was on E. I had hired a writer on it and he had such bad BO that I had to pull him aside and I was like

Starting point is 01:02:45 I just want to help you for your next writing job like you have to like when you take your shirt off at night and you wash it you have to scrub the armpits then wash it then you can't just take a piece of clothing

Starting point is 01:02:58 off the ground and put it back on how did he take it? he acted like kind of insulted at first and I was like I need you to really know that I'm telling you this to help you. Yeah. That's really interesting because I don't know how I feel about that.

Starting point is 01:03:10 Like, it sounds like there's almost you can't win in that conversation. Okay. So this is how I felt. We were at the E building and there was a moment where he was on the elevator with Maria Menounos. And I went, I did something weird. It's like the butterfly effect when they go back in time and like I felt like I like shifted history by having the two of them on the same elevator like I was like this was these people were never supposed to meet and now nothing will

Starting point is 01:03:34 be the same yeah yeah like something there's an earthquake so you felt like this responsibility I just also he was going into like a more serious writer's room afterwards and I did I just wanted to and I and I knew his boss there was going to be like actually very mean about it. So I was like, I really was trying to do him a salad. Do you think he was? He still smells like shit. Yeah. I feel like people that smell bad, no matter what you tell them to do, they're still going

Starting point is 01:03:58 to smell bad. It's just inherently them. And as long as I'm not next to them on an airplane, which has happened to me before, I'm not next to them on an airplane, which has happened to me before, I'm usually cool with it. But there is this theory that sometimes I often think about, which is like, do people smell or our biologies just don't match? Because I have found that couples, say for instance, I had one of my high school best friends and her husband both had really bad breath but they had

Starting point is 01:04:26 the same flavor of bad breath but they really liked each other and so I was like oh like this sort of like makes sense that maybe they don't like smell it on each other and maybe my breath to them just is really unattractive so it's like I think it there is like an element of like like just biologically matched or not. Yeah. Right? For some smells, yeah. For some, yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:48 Obviously, not all. Not like, you know, you didn't wipe well. Oh, I hate the way you said that. What a nightmare. I hate the way you said that, Esther. What a nightmare. Wait, you're a poop girl. I thought you'd love that one.

Starting point is 01:05:01 Oh, I come in with my skid marks. I say, get ready, baby. Let's go. No. girl. I thought you'd love that one. Oh, I come in with my skid marks. I say, get ready, baby. Let's go. No, I just, I will, for the sake of having an argumentative, a good balanced panel, I will be the poop girl. But if I, if I would have taken the hemorrhoid girl last time, you keep taking the. I'll take it guys. I'll take it. I've got my man. I'm good. I'm good. You got to study. It's okay to be the poop and hemorrhoid girl.

Starting point is 01:05:22 There's, there has to be representation for everyone. And I'm here for you. Are we doing the last thing we Googled thing? Yeah, it's fun. Should I get my phone? Yes. Okay. The last thing I Googled was the Baby List showroom, which is so sad.

Starting point is 01:05:43 The last thing I Googled was food near me. And then I Googled myself. And then I Googled Maru Coffee Los Feliz. then I googled Aroldo vintage and I googled BMI calculator. You're such an LA queen. That is as LA as LA gets Maru BMI calculator. And what was the googling yourself? Googling yourself is good. Wow. That is the ultimate LA like check-in, I think. Yeah, totally. And that's like every day for me, honestly. Mine is a peace and love-based community sound bath.

Starting point is 01:06:13 That's kind of LA. Very Annie. That's kind of LA. Let's see. Okay. My last three are this year's influenza virus. This year's flu shots efficacy, is at 52 percent yeah i got it and then got the flu so okay yeah is it 52 percent and and then the next thing was um a bakery that

Starting point is 01:06:33 has the snow puffies after that i googled oh these um bottega veneta sunglasses. Ooh. I was looking at houses, a five bedroom, or no, five baths, five bedroom for $6 million. Oh Lord, is that your, the range you're looking at, Annie? I'm just looking, you know, have a little fun.

Starting point is 01:06:57 $6 million for a five bedroom. They just, I just, there was a QR code on this one house and then these are all theirs and I went, oh, okay. Whose BMI are you calculating? Mine. Wait, I want to talk to you about food and what you're what I do I I I uh I have some kind of obsession you could say diet and exercise baby tell us everything okay so um I mean I've thought about this a lot I used to always say like you know like I used to say that I just like eat whatever I want and like because I thought that that was like it was really unethical to be like

Starting point is 01:07:28 oh I like try to I thought it was unethical to like show that to like younger people and stuff or like more vulnerable people that like you you know do certain things to look a certain way um but like now I feel like it's actually more ethical to just be honest about it and like I do like diet like a lot and like I exercise a lot but I mostly exercise through walking because it's like the only thing dude walking is like the only thing that like keeps my weight down and like keeps me toned and stuff like everything else I do that just like doesn't work well enough for me like running also works but like I prefer walking and um yeah and I have like crazy eating habits like most days I don't eat anything until 5 p.m and then I'll stop eating

Starting point is 01:08:14 at 10 p.m okay it's like a five hour fasting window and like um I honestly I just like having the control and stuff and like I also have like an obsession with like my body and what I just like having the control and stuff. And like, I also have like an obsession with like my body and what I look like and like how people perceive me that like, I just, you know, I refuse to like really let myself like, you know, I try to eat like one meal a day usually. And like, I just refuse to let myself like get carried away and start like snacking all the time. And like, cause anytime I have, like, I literally just feel so guilty about it like so bad about it that like it feels cleaner to me to just drink like my black coffee in the morning and then nothing until 5 p.m. and I don't know it just feels good and I like having the control and like it just feels I don't know I just enjoy the control that I have

Starting point is 01:09:01 over it and like controlling it and like and like I like being like skinny for some reason. It just like fulfills me, even though like I like have body dysmorphia and like, I don't feel like I'm skinny, but like, I like being like, you know, having like a low BMI or whatever. Like it just makes me feel better about myself, you know? Yeah. I think that's super relatable. I think in most, I spent most of my twenties just being like hyper fixated on every single calorie. Like I knew the nutritional, um, like the nutritional label of like ketchup. Like I knew how much sugar, like how many net carbs, cause I was like hardcore into Atkins before they like repackaged it as like keto or whatever. And even today, right? Like I was at the doctors before this and I don't owe a weighing scale because i do know

Starting point is 01:09:45 i have that disordered kind of like um yeah um mentality like around food and exercise and i was like don't weigh yourself i was like you can't escape that they have to weigh you at the doctors and i almost had a fucking meltdown as soon as i i saw my weight i not only cried i had to call my sister she had to console me and i was like do I really look that big? Like how, like, I just like full on just like hating myself. And I hate that that thing like will now dictate like the rest of the week. Because I was actually feeling sort of nice when I woke up. But I totally know what you mean. And I think that, you know, a lot of things in my childhood led to the fact that maybe like I had no sense of control.

Starting point is 01:10:25 But this is the one thing I could control, which is like diet and exercise. So I throw it all in there. And I'm a lot better now because I'm, you know, almost 40. But in my 20s, like my God, like I would run until I would lose all my toenails, like over exercise. And then like restrict, restrict, restrict. And, you know, like I get it. But I'm thank you for not pretending that, oh, I'm just, you know, like I, I get it, but I'm, thank you for not pretending that, oh, I'm just, you know, I eat pizza. I eat like pizza, but it's like one or two slices and that's

Starting point is 01:10:54 all I eat in a day. Yeah. And you probably clock it. It's something that you've thought about very, you know, I, I totally get that. Like, I think I'm sort of just like, you know, um, there are people on one side of the fence who are like, you know, we shouldn't be talking. You shouldn't be openly expressing like things that you're disordered about or even saying that aloud. But it's like, no, I'd rather have people fucking tell me so I don't feel so fucking alone in my food obsession, my exercise obsession. exercise obsession. Well, I want to throw my hat in the ring and say that being pregnant is really fucked up for your body image because it's, there's so much pressure to not be insecure or not speak out about it. Cause it's like, this is when you're growing a baby. Like it's, you're supposed to, this is healthy, but it doesn't that all that can be true, but it doesn't

Starting point is 01:11:45 also mean that I'm not like feeling away. Yeah. Looking at certain things. And obviously I'm, you know, all of the things it's beautiful and I'm happy to be putting on weight and have just want a healthy baby, but like, it's still hard. It's still still like I still look at other women's bodies who are skinny and I'm like I want to beat that right now yeah are you kidding me Esther that is so fucking real because one of my biggest hang-ups about when I think about getting pregnant is my vanity yes like 100% I hate that it is that way and I wish I didn't have to like say it out loud because people are like, well, you know, your body is meant for this. It can handle this and be proud of your tiger stripes. And it's like, you know what?

Starting point is 01:12:31 I have a hard enough time with my body not being pregnant. Like I know I'm going to be really hard on myself. And yeah, I am vain in that way. Yeah, and your nipples are going to get so big and chewed up. your nipples are going to get so big and so I again, like, yeah, like, I love how you're like the expert on all the damage, the body damage, but you've never been pregnant. I've clocked it. I've been thinking about it. I'm the oldest. I'll just take that as the oldest. I'm the oldest of the crew. I had a thing happen to me over. Okay. So over Thanksgiving, my one of the brother-in-laws that was hanging out with us at this we were at the jersey shore

Starting point is 01:13:05 he was doing cold plunges in the morning so he had like my mom and i went my mom's in her 70s to go do a cold plunge so we were just going in naked and he's like a photographer he's like do you want me to film it and i was like whatever healthy thing will happen from me going into this cold plunge will be taken away for you filming my fat ass after thanksgiving running into the there will be nothing of this. And I'm so happy with that. He took a picture from a far away and I zoomed in and I went, oh my God, you can still tell. Yeah, I do just, and I also want to say like if you're out there and you're pregnant or whatever,

Starting point is 01:13:36 like, yeah, it's okay to still have all of our same old body image issues. And like, obviously we have to work on them. But then there's this additional spotlight where you're like oh is everyone gonna be like let's see how much she gains while she's pregnant like i i just feel the snapback yeah and i'm like fuck like it's just a lot on me and i i just really respect you being so honest about the way you feel about your body and like the way you're eating i just i i really like commend you for that i think that's cool as fuck because i remember that moment on tiktok where all of a sudden there was like all these videos of megan fox actually being honest about what she ate and

Starting point is 01:14:15 we're all like yes thank you it's not just i play with my kids and the weight falls off yeah yeah anyway um we unfortunately have to wrap it up this was so fun but thank you so much to our dream girl come back chloe cherry this was amazing you guys are all so perfect angel girl on instagram right yep um we love her we love her on euphoria and we love her um her diet and we're we're praying for a uh renaissance of that peeing in public. Honestly, what you're really going to get is just a bunch of really sick movies that I've been in. I've been in a bunch of movies. Not like a bunch.

Starting point is 01:14:54 It's not like a hundred, but it's like five. No, that's amazing. It's going to be great. Yeah, that's a hundred. We can't wait to see all the indies that you've been working on. That's the best. Yeah, I'm so excited because they were all just so fun to work on and they're all going to be really good. And I think they're going to be like moonlight the indies that you've been working on. That's the best. That's so cool. Yeah, I'm so excited because like they were all just so fun to work on

Starting point is 01:15:06 and they're all going to be really good and I think they're going to be like moonlight level indies. Yes, and congratulations, dude. This is so cool. And I have more indies planned. Like I have a bunch more booked.

Starting point is 01:15:16 Like I'm going to be busy in 2024 shooting movies and I'm hoping that I shoot an indie movie every month, like every other month. like that's what I'd how or like a regular movie like any kind of movie I just want to shoot a movie every other month for the rest of my life or like until I'm 80 I love it we love it we love our indie darling Chloe Cherry and we'll see you guys next week with a brand new episode.

Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - Out in 2024: Imposter Syndrome, New Year Resolutions with Chloe Cherry - Ep 150

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