Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - Talking Into a Hairbrush Like a Psycho w/ Mark Normand

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

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Yeah. Schultz. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Oh, that was a big year. Big year. It's all downhill after that. I actually, oh, even Rick Glassman was that year.

Oh, he's a cute dude. I got a bad review. This reviewer loved Rick Glassman and hated me. And maybe that's why I don't like Rick anymore for all this time. Did you have a good experience at the Montreal New I did. I had a great time. I got a manager. I got laid. Yeah, I had a great time. I was the manager. I fucked him. But yeah, good times. I love Montreal. Just a fun city. And that used to be a fun fest. Now it feels kind of like it's fizzled out. Okay.

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Hi, slugs. I am on tour. I'm going to be in Boston, New York City, Atlanta, and Raleigh. You can get tickets at EstherOnIce.com. Have fun with my comments. I watched your interview with Neil Brennan, and I want to say that this might be like a companion piece to that. All right. If we're lucky. Oh, yeah. So I want to, there's some, I'm going to list for you a few things I want to talk about.

You grew up in a dilapidated mansion in New Orleans. Yes. You've wet the bed. Oh, yeah. Staying at women's places. Big time. Your wife met your parents and it validated for you how weird they are. Yes.

This is great. And you have sleep problems. Big time. Okay. A lot of these are things that I relate to. All right. So I'm like ready to go. Okay.

My parents won't talk to you either? Wait, your parents don't talk to you? No, I'm just kidding. Okay. But they're a little distant. Okay. They're just doing their thing. I'm doing my thing.

Okay. So that would actually already validate something that I'm suspect of. Were you emotionally neglected as a child? I think so. I mean, I want to say they're good folks. Yeah, same. Yeah, never molested. They paid the rent and put food on the table. But I think they're just kind of Southern waspy workaholics. They just went to work. We watched Seinfeld at night, and then we did our own thing.

Wait, that's very similar, except not waspy workaholics. But okay, so I recently, I've always felt like I had a really, like a pretty good childhood. And I've always said that like I was watched, not raised. Meaning like they kept me safe, like they knew where I was, but no one really interacted with me. And like they even like took me to dance class. And like, you know, if I wanted, I was like, oh, I want to try tap dance. Like they drove me there. But I am always like, why is there this hole inside of me? And I recently learned it's because like my emotional needs were not met.

Like one time my fiance was like, you just seem like someone like when you were a little girl, no one ever spoke to you. Wow. Do you feel like you're a little girl who's never been spoken to? I'm Anne Frank. No. Yeah, I guess. But I don't know. I had a bunch of friends. I was never home. I was out skateboarding all day or at a sleepover. So I made it work. Yeah. But I never felt like we could talk. We never had a birds and the bees or any of that shit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Same. In fact, when I asked my mom where babies come from, she said, I don whoa yeah that's crazy yeah so and i also always was sleeping over places and me and my older sister like once we both got boyfriends we were never home like always with a boyfriend or

always with like friends um okay so it's crazy to me that you grew up in a dilapidated van in new orleans mostly because i've been to New Orleans once, and it was like the exact opposite of everything I've ever experienced in life. Like it's so doesn't even seem like it's in our country. I noticed there's a few memories I have. Please. One, there's like a bad smell on most streets. Yeah, a lot of urine and vomit.

Two, the old houses seemed scary just from like walking past them. Yeah, they're terrifying. And then the third was I thought the cemeteries were like at least very cool and creatively inspiring. Yeah, wow, good notes. So if I was scared of these mansions from just walking by,

were you scared living in one of them? All the time time and there's not we don't believe in street lights in that city it's weird because it's like this touristy city where everybody's coming in from cleveland and all these places so you think you'd light the fucking place up we'd like to not get mugged and the crime is through the roof so yes terrifying we had a house alarm that would go off at like two in the morning and as a nine 9-year-old, you're like, well, there's somebody in the living room. That's just weird. You know, you're on the second floor and they're below you.

Then you come down in the morning to get breakfast before school and the TV's gone. Are you serious? Yeah, so it was a little jarring. I think that's why I'm so skittish. But you got used to it, you know. And like when the alarm would go off, we had a connection to the police. Like it would trigger the police. So they would call.

And if you said Batman, my parents made the code Batman so us stupid kids could remember it. And so the police would go and you'd go, Batman. And then we'd hang up and go back to bed. And Batman meant everything was fine. Batman meant we're not dead. and go back to bed. And Batman meant everything was fine. Batman meant we're not dead.

Were you then awake at night like listening for scary sounds like you couldn't sleep? Because sometimes I'll be in bed and I'm like, is that a sound? Yeah. Did you have that?

All the time. Oh my God. And I think I walked in on a few robberies. Not walked in, but saw them happening and that was pretty scary. And I think I have

a repressed memory because I think about this all the time. This is so crazy. Because our house was so dark and dusty and fucked up that like, I think I saw a guy at night in like a little tucked away, like hiding. And I think I blocked it out and just went to bed. And now every time I go to my apartment,

I have a tiny apartment. I check every closet. I check under the bed. I'm convinced there's a guy in my house all the time. This is so insane. It's like so hard for me to understand that someone who grew up in a dilapidated mansion in New Orleans, like how did we end up in the same career? Like, of course, we seem so different.

But also, I feel like I am afraid of the same things but I you actually like experienced it like I was always afraid someone was breaking into the house and in fact I still have recurring nightmares where I'm in my childhood bedroom and someone is coming to the front door of the house oh yeah do you have dreams like that not really uh I have daydreams. Like I'll just think about like somebody knocking on the door, trying to get, trying to get the door open, but I don't know. Daydreams, Mark. Everything you're saying is like so severe. Oh, really? I didn't know this was that crazy, but yeah, I, we got broken in all the time. It was just, it became kind of normal. I mean,

our band, our stairwell with this big spiral staircase going up to the second floor, it had no railing. So I would just go every day. Like, that was normal. We had a big window with duvetyne flapping. It just became normal. Were there ever any positive experiences about living in an old mansion?

What were those? Good question. No one's ever asked that. So I was a big skateboarder. We built a half pipe in the backyard. Nobody cared. We built like rails and stuff to grind on in the big parlor. We had this huge parlor. And we would just skateboard in the parlor when it was too hot out or at night or whatever.

So we could skate in the house. We had a basketball goal in our parlor. So we could play basketball in the house on a hardwood floor. Sleepovers were awesome. Yeah. You know, stuff like that. We climb under the house and look around and go on little adventures. Was the vibe that like because your parents were workaholics, they weren't there. So you were just kind of like free to do whatever you want. Totally. OK. I had a similar thing at my best friend's house where she had a twin brother. So she always had her friends over. He always had his friends over.

And it was her grandma's house. And her grandma didn't speak English and was like always upstairs. And it was a big house. So it was like we always would just get to go there and do whatever we want. Yeah. There was like no supervision. That's the best. Yeah.

I mean, that's what Home Alone is all about, you know. And so did you ever like engage in like, okay, so basically I feel like if I lived, or if I was even just for one day in this place that you grew up in, I would like want to use my imagination and feel like I'm this like rich Victorian princess. Like, did you ever like imagine cool things living there? All the time. That was all I had was imagination. I would wear a cape. I remember I jumped off my balcony

because I thought I was a superhero and I hit my head on my knee on the way down and knocked myself out. A construction worker had to bring me in the house. It was a whole thing. But I wanted to be a superhero because I wanted to fight crime because all I knew was crime.

The whole neighborhood was dangerous and the house was getting broken into. So I was all in. I had a utility belt I made. I put little pebbles in it, like rocks, and I had a slingshot because I had to cope with this horrifying environment. So I wanted to be a superhero really bad,

which a lot of comedians I've heard of want to be superheroes. Oh, yeah. One of my best friends in comedy, this guy, John Campanelli, he has like a Batman poster in his room there you go there you go late 30s yes Seinfeld's obsessed with Superman you know it's a thing but so it sounds like you're you and your parents you they watch Seinfeld with

you so there was like that was probably I'm assuming was that like your intro to like oh this is what stand-up is I could could do that. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, and they liked it, which was weird. Like, whoa, this is getting their attention? Maybe if I do this, I'll get their attention. Hell yeah. That is, yes, totally same with like, well, for me, actually, I would say more like growing up,

we would go to family functions and my dad was Jewish and we would always be with my mom's side of the family because my dad had me very late in life, so all of his family was dead. But like, so we'd be with my mom's side of the family because my dad had me very late in life so all this family was dead but like so we'd be with my mom's family the the Gentiles and my dad was like the silly Jewish guy and he would always get laughs and so I saw and like I was like oh that's a way to like yeah you know get approval yeah suck people in. What are you, a Polack? No. So my dad is Russian Jewish and my mom is Finnish. Oh, interesting. People think Polish because of the last name, but it ends in a Y and that means Russian.

You're right. From what I've been told. My dad is not like, him and both of his parents were born in America, so they don't like speak Russian. You're a Ruski. I guess, technically. Yeah. And I do. I lean like Russian sugar baby in photos sometimes like in a good angle.

Okay. So you said on Neil Brennan's podcast that when your wife met your parents it validated for you that they were weird. And I have the same experience like when my fiance met my parents even actually like when my college friends met my parents they it's like oh this is not normal this is weird do you know what the weirdness is about them sure yeah well there's so many things. How long is this? But my mom will do a thing where she won't respond. And it's not in a mean way. She just won't give you any interaction or response.

So she'll go, how was your show yesterday? And I'll go, oh, it was great. I got heckled by this guy. He threw a bottle at me. And she'll just stare at you. And you're like, nothing on the bottle? I got threw a bottle at me. You gotta give me any.

So I think also with comedy, the whole thing is response. It's just joke, joke laugh so i love that because i need that response from large groups of people because i didn't get it from them yes okay also relate to that um i the first time i ever went out to dinner with my fiance and his parents they were like laughing at all the things he was saying and I literally thought it was physically impossible for your own parents to find you funny. I thought there was like something genetically where they can't. And it was just mind-blowing. And okay, another thing too, like, sorry, I will make this all about me.

No, no, go nuts because I feel better. I remember seeing a commercial when I was in elementary school for Hasbro or some game company. And it was like, get Monopoly for your next family game night. And I was like, what is family game night? Right, right. I felt so betrayed. Okay, wait. So what else is weird?

I know what you mean, though, because I would go to friends' houses and they had pictures of them all over the family photos. And they're at Disney World. I was like, your parents took you to Disney World? That's insane. Who would carve out? What kind of parent would carve out like a week to go to Florida? That blew my mind. My parents were just working.

We didn't go to Disneyland. But yeah, all kinds of weird stuff. What else is weird about my parents? It seems like. Yeah, go ahead. Well, my dad was always bottomless. Okay.

Walking around the house just like it was a comfort thing. A lot of genital, a lot of male genitalia swinging around the Norman household. And you have a sibling?

Older brother. Wait, so what's, is he like the same as you? Is he like, this was crazy or is he? Yeah, he's kind of stuck to his own thing. He a like a dungeons and dragons goth guy like he dealt with in a different way i went out

and like you know vandalized and got drunk and he went in went cocoon he like stayed in his room put the black shit on the windows dyed his hair wore finger fingernail painting shit, black fingernails, and just went into like chat rooms, you know, and I went out. He went in. Okay. And I like comedy. He loves numbers. He loves computers. He loves kind of he's a computer programmer now.

How much older is he than you? Two years, so not that different. And it seems like maybe you're not that close. We're kind of like coworkers. You know, there's love there, but we're so different. I'm goofball and he's serious. Yeah. And he's got two kids and they live in Wisconsin.

So another thing I very strongly related to, which is I'm newly re-obsessed with this topic because I'm basically having trouble sleeping. I have always struggled with it going like bedtime was always like I don't want it to come I'm so scared of it and I think a lot of it has to do with like so I actually like I need others to be awake when I'm asleep so so when I went to bed at night everyone was already asleep and I hated the idea of this like quiet house where I'm the only one awake because then I felt like I have to be the one that's on alert.

Interesting. I see what's going on. And anyways, so two years ago, I started not smoking weed, but using weed, like eating it and vaping it. That's what I do. Really? Yeah.

Okay, I recently am trying to stop. I know. Is it bad? Is there side effects? Well, I don't want to like scare. Talk to me, sister. I can take it. Wait, when did you start using it? I don't know.

Eight months ago. Oh, really? Yeah, but it helps. No, it is like. So, okay. Weed solved so many of my problems. It helped me with sleep. It helped me relax.

I think for the first time in my life, like I learned what it felt like to relax. with sleep. It helped me relax. I think for the first time in my life, like I learned what it felt like to relax. And weirdly, I didn't realize this till I stopped using it, but it was like helping my digestive issues. Oh, sure. So the reason that I stopped was because I did hear that it's like, it does age your brain faster. Oh, really? And the brain. Whoa. And if you're getting your dopamine from drugs, you're not getting it from like effort. This is I'm getting into a little bit of a tangent, but I'm really trying to focus right now in my life on like getting my rewards and my pleasure from effort. Because I don't know if you've experienced this, but I feel like when I first started stand-up, I loved it and I got pleasure from doing it, right? Like after a good set, I got like that high and that buzz.

And then as time went on, I kind of got less interested, which is another thing I want to talk to you about because you seem like you've never lost interest in it. And then it was all about like being done and getting high after. And so that's why I'm cutting back. But anyways, that's why now I'm having more trouble sleeping. Anyway, anyway. Interesting.

So much to talk about. Fascinating. So right now you're using weed to sleep and that's helping you. Just to sleep, not the dopamine thing. Like I hate being high. Oh, okay. I just like it to help me sleep because it kind of shuts me down a little. Do you eat it or what do you?

I do a little gummy. Okay. And very low. I'm a real lightweight. Okay. And very low. I'm a real lightweight. Okay. And so has that like solved your sleep issues for now? It helps for sure. Yeah.

Because on Neil's you said you were taking some like illegal. I'm taking a thing called. Oh shit. It's a schizophrenia drug. Do you still need that? I take now. I used to take a full one. Now I take half of one and the weed.

And it seems to be working. So I'm taking less of the drug. but I'm still taking some of it. When you don't have that or like, what is it like? What's the experience of going to bed without that? Like, well, for me, it's the mental. It's all my brain just goes and it usually tends to go to a bad place. So I'm just laying there like clock ticking, going like, this person hates me. I shouldn't have said that. That was bad. What am I doing with my life? You're stupid. You know, whatever. Intrusive thoughts. Yes. Which I was going to ask you why, but I think I already know why you have sleep problems. It's because people broke into your house. That and the bedwetting,

because the bedwetting, sleep meant equaled embarrassment. Yeah. You know, so I think that has some tie in. I really want to conquer the challenge of sleep. And I don't know. If you're using weed, though, I feel like that's I'm like happy for you. And that's great, especially if it's like a low dose. Low dose. And the doctor, I asked the doctor and he said, go for it.

I don't want to take that away from you. Respect. I'm currently like trying to go on my own. what is it called when people do that sober i guess yeah cold turkey something um and i'm also uh i'll dabble with like a little melatonin oh that's good stuff but that's also not good for you really but it really works oh i thought that was the the one natural good stuff. But that's also not good for you. Really? But it really works. Oh, I thought that was the one natural good one. No, it's like you think it is, but then when you go a level deeper into wellness, like the LA hot girl level of wellness, it's like everything is bad and you have to be really careful. Yeah, but these gals are using Botox and fake tits and, you know, nose jobs.

So what the hell do they know? That is a really good counterpoint for some that okay that is noted all right so okay sleep issues you're using weed oh do you okay have you ever lost interest in stand-up oh that comes goes, and I think it's like a relationship. You gotta keep it spicy. So, for me, I still love it because it's so hard. Like, writing a new joke is fucking hard. And then you gotta figure

it out on stage and make it work and get laughs, and bombing is so painful. So, to me, the fact that I can't crack comedy is what keeps me in it. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. And the rewards, I think, get better. Like, I just taped a Netflix hour. I'm doing theaters now, not to brag,

but I'm just saying, like, it's so much nicer because those open mic days were hell. Bar shows getting heckled. You know, all that shit was hell. No one listening. The TVs are on behind you. So I can really appreciate it, putting all this work in, and then there are rewards at the end. Like, you had the weed reward. Right. TVs are on behind you. So I can really appreciate it, putting all this work in,

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No, absorb it. Let it sink in. It's going to hurt, but it'll motivate you to kick ass again. I do get, I get off on failing on stage. I'm like, oh, I can handle it. And that makes me feel strong and tough. And it was just really encouraging to hear that you're like open to going up there and failing.

Oh yeah, because if you fail and come out of it, there's nothing better. To me, a new idea working, it will bomb. Also, I used to see Louis C.K. in the height of Louis, like pre-cancel, bombing all day long. And it was like motivating for me because I was like, oh oh that's a great idea but it didn't connect the audience didn't get it and seeing this guy at this level this was like

when he was the guy and he would bomb a lot and i remember being like all right that gives me hope because you gotta bombing gives you information like okay that's not good that kind of worked take that out you know so you gotta do it okay do you deal with though the insecurity that like what if some of the people are in this crowd specifically because they're a fan of mine and they want to see me that is tough i hate that i hate it too because i want to work out and they're like oh i like this guy now he's not that good fuck him and i do feel like that's a really good excuse to like keep myself from growing yeah I'm like well even if like one percent of the people in this room it's just one percent that

like came because they are my fan like that sucks it's so much pressure you do not want to let someone down who likes you feel the same way it kills me but you gotta do it and you gotta think of the long term the long term is you'll have a special out in a year or whatever, and they'll see that and be like, oh, that was great. That's true. Like I've even had people DM me and be like, I saw you at the comedy store. You had swagger up there. And I'm like, okay, like, I guess like, at least if I show them that. Yeah, no, no. Just, just be like, I'm working out tonight, you know, or say that up top. Just to give them a little bit like, oh, okay, this isn't her normal stuff. Oh, I didn't even think to do that.

And some crowds love that. They're like, oh, we're getting to see the inside shit, you know. Yeah. I know that I certainly, as like a nerdy person and a fan of like creative people, I would like that experience more. At least more than when I've gone up and I've just like been insecure and like delivered the old boring jokes that I know work because then I'm like not okay that's another thing that that like since I've been in New York

and like really giving a fuck about my stand-up it's like one of the keys is being present on stage for me do you feel like that's really important to you? Definitely. And I can get very robotic. I'm a fucking machine. I'm autistic, obviously. So, like, you gotta, when the guy's talking, just go, hey, stop talking. Because I used to go, don't ruin your momentum.

Don't ruin your rhythm. But it's better to just address it. Yes. Being present is, like, again, it's kind of scary because yes if the it's unknown and also if you're not mentally active in the right way being present can you can just like fuck it up even more i don't know but it is it's not worth doing i think if in the long term if you're not like fully present but also one last thing before we move on i think you got to remind yourself because we've all been there.

The standup is kind of boring. It's not as fun as it used to be. I used to be a janitor. I used to move furniture. I used to work on a construction site, sweeping up sheet rock. We get to do comedy. You got to remember that.

Even when you're like, ah, I got nothing out of that. It didn't really get me off. Just think I still get to do it though. I still get to be a comic and go on the road and tell jokes and do shit like this where you sit down and talk in front of cameras. You gotta be grateful for that.

That is a really good mindset. It's hard to have that, though, because I do feel so much shame in being a comedian. Really? What do you mean? Well, it's like, first of all, even just now, the fact that we're having a semi-serious conversation about stand-up on a podcast, it makes me want to die. It's so cringe, but the fact that we're having a semi-serious conversation about stand-up on a podcast it makes me want to die it's so cringe but i do think we're actually we're getting somewhere

yeah we're not being too pretentious we're not like let me tell you about the art form and here's how i break down a bit we're not doing that shit right like i think though that actually what i'm saying is different from what you're saying but what the thing that makes me so cringe is when people do take it too seriously and they think that they're like hearing can't know about telling jokes like we don't want to be that but i i think what you're saying is actually the opposite it's like hey this is silly and fun yeah and like let's be appreciative of it that is i'm like i guess that is cool because i used i was a johnny rockets waitress oh there you go. But that was also very performative for me, so it's not quite like sweeping up. But you know when you get sick of your boyfriend or your husband or whatever you're going with here,

your fiance, and you get sick of him and then another girl hits on him and you're kind of like, oh, geez, and you get pissed at her and then you're like, wait, I like this. This is my guy. Fuck you, bitch. Get out of here, you whore. You know, that's when stand up. You got to remind yourself like, I got a good thing here and I want to keep it.

Because when the pandemic hit, it got taken away. I was crushed. I didn't realize how much I relied on it and needed it for a purpose in life and a goal and all that shit. So that was an eye opener. Okay, off of that, I would say that when I'm, now that I'm back in it and like thinking about

ideas and jokes and trying things, like I noticed that my anxiety has been greatly reduced because I've realized that I'm a person that I need some sort of a creative outlet or like a project because if I don't have that, it's going to be intrusive thoughts, ruminating thoughts. It's going to like, my brain will go circle, circle, dot, dot, whether it's about be intrusive thoughts ruminating thoughts it's gonna like my brain will go circle circle yes dot dot whether it's about a creative passionate thing or if it's about like oh my god like that person doesn't like me or you know i fuck this up forever so i do think that i don't remember why i got to that point but it's like to fight the intrusive thoughts it's like

just throw some yes creative spirit on it you gotta have a goal and it's like to fight the intrusive thoughts. It's like, just throw some creative spirit on it. You got to have a goal and it's good. You know, when you have that thing where you're like, oh, I have two shows tonight. You kind of get that nervousness. Like, oh shit, I got to like kind of prepare or mentally get ready. That's good for people.

Yeah. Everyone wants to avoid that part of life, that little discomfort. Lean into it, go for it, and you'll be happier after. Otherwise you're going to just sit online all day and that's going to make you way more fucked up. Yeah. Which is what the whole country is doing, basically.

I'm trying to think, like, if someone is not, like, a person who has stand-up, like, what are other creative outlets that they, like, can focus on? Like, I'm just trying to think, like, if it was the pandemic and I couldn't do, which also when I go back to L.A., like, I won't be able to do it as much as I'm doing it here. Which side note, you do know that you're kind of like the gold standard for like stand up obsession and like how many sets people do. Like you're like the unwell example. It's like no one can feel like they're doing enough because someone could always be like, well, look at how many sets Mark Norman does. But I'm also filling a hole and i just love it and i think and it also has people a lot of people hate me for that why well they're just because it shames them they're like i didn't do any sets people go well he did three and you're like oh well fuck that guy no you always need someone like

all right like i think that's a good and it's also impressive that you've maintained that reputation for like 10 years that's why i'm like how are you still so into a good – and it's also impressive that you've maintained that reputation for like 10 years. That's why I'm like how are you still so into it? But I hear it's – I get it. Yeah, it's fun. It's good. So, okay. And what else am I doing, you know?

Is receiving compliments uncomfortable for you? Yeah, totally. Okay. That I recently read from this like psychologist, uh, that it's because it's, it's likely because your parents never complimented you. So it's like a weird, uncomfortable thing. Definitely. Yeah. I have that too. I'm like, if someone comments to me, I'm like, ew, I'm disgusting. Like, ew. Yeah. Same, same. I went to film school and I had to write or make this movie at the end of it. And I showed it to my parents and my mom goes, this is bad. And I remember being like, ah, damn, that hurt like hell.

But that still feels familiar. Okay, so a couple, like maybe eight years ago or whatever, I did this pilot for HBO that was about me going back to my high school and auditioning for the musical like as a grown adult and we like filmed documentary stuff in my parents house and we caught my mom on a hot mic like didn't know she was being recorded and she was like this is really sad like she can't sing this is gonna be really bad oh my god that's so finnish you know holy moly oh so you're familiar with the finnish culture sure i've been there it's it's very finland i have i did a gig there yeah whoa i went for burke kreischer there years ago did they laugh laugh? Barely. Yeah.

I got a lot of compliments after, but they're very stiff, stoic people. Yes, that's how my mom is. Like very dry and like all monotone and like nothing is funny or, you know. Yeah. Unless like you fall down. That's funny. Right, exactly. Okay. Would it be accurate to say that you have a hard time looking

at people? Yes. I can do it during a pod because I'm aware I'm on camera, but otherwise I don't like it. Why not? It's just too intense. Yeah. You know, the eye contact, it's heavy. Yeah. It is hard. I wonder if that also goes back to like childhood like sometimes me and my friends will laugh that like we do stand up because like mommy didn't look at us so I don't know makes sense my lady wants it in the bedroom and I I just I can't do it I look at her nose or her ass or the the cat I struggle with that too like, I can't, sometimes there's a good time for it and sometimes I can't do it. Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, I need to disassociate.

Okay. Oh, does travel for stand up? This is a thing that I struggle with and I wanted to know how you feel about it. Does it get exhausting? Do you get like homesick or do you actually like that part of it in any way like and if so how or why I well obviously I hate the airport I hate the fucking security and all that but I love being on a if you got a decent seat when you're on a flight and you're kind of like oh I'm safe here yeah you know like no one can bother me. No one can call me. I do love that.

What do you do when you're in that? I'm a big podcast. I'll bring a book. I'll take a nap. I just, I'll watch the movie. I'm like, oh, we got movies. This is great. I feel like a kid again.

I feel like, oh, I'm locked in and no one can bother me. Yeah. That is kind of nice, which is ironic because I'm in the middle of the sky. And I'm like, I feel so safe. But I love the road. I love like, I feel so safe, but, uh, I love the road. I love hotels. I love being in Oklahoma. I love being in Denver.

I just like being somewhere else. And we do more as comics than most people do in a year. Like, you know, in a weekend, I mean, like we'll go to like three different cities. I'll rent a car.

I'm doing Montana next weekend. I'm, I'm so excited. I get to see Montana. I've never been there. I can see the mountain ranges. Who the fuck lives in Montana? I'll meet some people. So you will like make the most of it and like do the things and eat the food.

Yeah. And then I go both ways. Sometimes I'll be too hung over and I'm like, fuck Kansas City. I'm closing the curtains and I'm jerking off all day. So I have both, but I love it. I do too. Yeah. Like I do think I would I'm assuming is it safe to assume that like the times where you are taking advantage of the city you like leave feeling better and

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Exactly. I do struggle with that though. It is really hard to motivate getting out of the hotel room especially for me

when it's hanging over me that like I'm going to be doing a long set at night. I want to be the most energized version of myself. That makes sense. But I do think that's like a lie

and I would be just as good if I went on a hike. Like that's just like unhealthy. Because you do get energy from using energy. Like your body kind of picks it up. But do you drink?

I don't. Oh, see. That's huge. That's a huge leg up because I'm putting poison in my body every night and it's definitely wearing on me.

Let's discuss that. Okay. Okay. Do you drink after your set? Yeah. Never before. And what does that do for you? I think it's a come down.

It's a treat. Yeah. It's like, oh, we did all these shows. We sold merch. We shook hands. We took photos. Let's have a fucking cocktail. Take the edge off.

Kick your feet up. And how drunk do you get? Well, I like to feel it. You know, I'm not going to have one, so I want to get a kick your feet up. And how drunk do you get? Well, I like to feel it. You know, I'm not going to have one, so I want to get a little banged up. I won't go blackout. I used to, but I don't do that anymore. But I'll definitely get pretty tuned up.

And does that not help you sleep? Horrible for the sleeping. Horrible. I mean, you're getting horrible sleep, and then you wake up, your whole next day's ruined, and then you feel shame and sadness and embarrassment. So it's just piling, putting gasoline on this already anxious fire I got going on in my head. But I love it.

Interesting. Okay. It sounds like for you, alcohol is like what weed has been for me. Yes. Where it's like, oh, my God, I can't wait to do it. It's going to relax me. It's going to be so much fun. Yeah, which is why I'm trying to put a pause on it.

But I don't, yeah. That's. But alcohol is way worse. So all the shit you're like, oh, weed, it makes your brain age, all that. Alcohol is that times a thousand. So you're good. Do you ever think, like, I don't always want to do. And I'm not, by the way, I want to be clear. I'm not trying to shame you.

No, no, no. I think it's cool. Bring it on. I'm just genuinely curious. Sure. Because I want to keep smoking weed. not by the way i want to be clear i'm not trying to shame you i think it's cool i'm just genuinely curious because i would i want to keep smoking weed i love it so much but yeah do you ever do are you ever like oh i gotta stop this i should stop this do you ever have like those internal conversations and what are they like all the time i mean and by the way don't don't hold back i'm an open casket i will tell you anything and i'm never gonna be offended but i do love it and i know it's horrible for me and it's definitely ruined me and a lot of you know i've had duis i've wrecked cars i've fistfights all this horrible shit said crazy

shit i shouldn't have said but now i've kind of gotten the reins on a little bit and i love it so much that i don't abuse it oh you know but know, but it's still bad. So I've definitely slowed down. I used to black out once a week, twice a week maybe. And now I don't black out ever. And I drink only on the weekends. I think when I have kids, I'm going to cut it out all completely. Okay. So if you're doing it only on the weekends, that does feel more reasonable to me because I was doing weed. I literally got high every night for two years. Wow. So that is at least like only on the weekends seems great. All right.

If I can, that would be great for me. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. And you think if you have kids, you'd stop? Yeah. I just stay with a friend. He's got two kids and I slept on his couch and I was drinking every night and I wanted

to kill myself every morning because they're up at 6 a.m. They're pushing you. They're poking you. And you want to be like, get out of here. We should have aborted you. But I'm like, you know, just so hung over with kids. It makes you realize like I couldn't do this if these were my kids. Right.

It like physically wouldn't work. Yeah. Does your wife drink? Yeah. She's a booze hound, which is what we get along. We go out. We drink together. That's fun. Yeah, she's a booze hound, which is what we get along. We go out, we drink together. That's fun.

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So when I get a good seven hours, I'm a pistol. Right. Yeah, no, like not getting sleep and then having to work is so scary. And then that anxiety will like keep me longer. Anxiety. Oh, my God. I'm only going to get this many hours. And then it gets less and less.

Exactly. I think like if I just got advice from someone that was like, just forget about that. You'll be fine on four hours. Like tell yourself you'll be okay. I don't know if that'll work but well i heard of two tricks one from a smart meditative yoga douche he told me that all these thoughts that are going by look at it like traffic and just let the thoughts go by like cars don't let them don't grab one and think about it just go oh yeah that is that is shitty and let

it go by look at it like cars on the road and i was like that's pretty good and that does help and then the one breath in one breath out do that three times that actually helps oh so just lay there at night going yeah and it does help breathing it's so embarrassing but it does help it helps yeah It's embarrassing to admit something so basic and simple would actually be a useful tool. But I think in this technologically advanced digital world, baby, I think we got to come back to the roots a little. Do you find that you're a little burnt out on screens? Yeah, oh yeah. What are the things that you'd rather be doing with your time or that you're trying to do more of as opposed to like scrolling? Well, I used to write every day for an hour and change every single day.

Like, okay, and what was that routine like? Like morning, coffee, like what was it like? Well. Pen and paper or just like brain walking? Walking. For me, it's all walking. And like I was a psycho when i first started comedy comedy was so hard and i was so bad at it that i would use my lunch break as a janitor and i would

write in the boiler room alone for an hour and not eat but i would write and i got some great material out of it and i kind of learned how to write jokes but it was tough you know just that motivation you know because you want to just go to Subway and get a foot long and fuck a kid. But you got to go. That was a Subway joke. But and now and then I was writing every day. And when I quit having a day job, I was writing every day. And I was really I felt like I was putting out good material.

And then you kind of start coasting. And then you're like, fuck it. I'm hung over. I'm not going to write. And now I look at a screen instead of writing. And I'm like, I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm watching a fist fight and a deer getting shot or whatever. So I've tried to cut that out and just go to the writing again

or the gym or whatever it is. And what does that look like for you writing? You said you're walking. I take an hour and I go, all right, it's 1.06. I'm going to write till 2.06. And I walk and pace and talk like a psycho with a hairbrush in my hand. And if anybody saw it, I'd kill myself

because it's so embarrassing. And now my lady works from home. So I have to go on the roof and do it. And every now and then I'll be on my roof of my apartment in New York and talking and somebody will come up to like water the plants and they're like, sorry. And they'll go back down the stairs backwards.

And I'm like, oh, that was embarrassing. Cause I'm like, Uber's weird, huh? And I look like such a douche. That is actually so much more humiliating than like being caught jerking off. Like that is so- Way worse. Wait, so, and then if you say something

that you think is good, you write it down? Then I write it down. And it gets the brain flowing and it makes your standup more natural sounding, I think, than if you're like, here's the setup, here's the punchline. But if you talk it out,

I feel like you can find way more angles. That was always something that got in the way of me having more material at a faster pace, which was that, like, I could never sit down

with a pen and paper and write jokes. Oh, yeah, same. It's like, I wish, it's wish I had realized that 10 years ago. I know. That that was never going to work. That's not the art form. It's a speaking art form.

And it's like the way you say things is also part of the writing process. Yes. Again, if you're writing a book yes you can sit and type it or whatever but like that is i've never it's so humiliating i've never thought to do it but you're like inspiring me to like get a hairbrush and like that is i like so much respect for how embarrassing that is and that you're willing to do it and well it's hard to start too because you have to go like what am i doing walk around hold on so you have to go i know i'm stupid i'm holding a hairbrush you say dumb shit just to get you out of it and out of your head and moving on with it

okay how did you cope with the humiliation and pain of wetting the bed with a fellow adult that you had sex with the night before well it's like we cope with anything else. You make a joke out of it. You try to blame it on them every now and then. But yeah, I would just go. I did a lot of apologizing, a lot of jokes. And then I would do the thing where I would pay for their dry cleaning and I'd buy them flowers. That was like my fucking Derek Jeter.

He fucked a girl and he gave her like a bag, like a goodie bag. Oh. Did you know that? No. Yeah, he would give you like a bouquet and an edible arrangement and a gift bag. That's kind of smart. Yeah, because it also stops women from being like, you know what? He did this to me.

Well, let's not. But maybe he did. We don't know. Or it just stops the angry feelings of like, hey, this guy used me. Like, no, no, we had a great night. Here's a gift. Right. You definitely don't want.

That is one thing where it's like when people hook up and then the guy is like mean afterwards. Oh, that is weird. You want to like at least be polite. We all know. Whatever. Okay. So how did the women react to that? This is what I need to know.

Most were pretty forgiving like obviously you have a girl like oh jesus are you fucking serious and it's so embarrassing and you want to kill yourself but uh most of them were like it's all right just get out of here or whatever like can you can you wash my sheets i go sure you got it so it was usually pretty good but as good as you can get there was never like a oh it's okay i love piss you know it was never that obviously but uh it was i bought a new couch for a lady once i mean i try to do my part and redeem it and when did how long ago did that stop happening well that was most of most of college so whenever i got out of college so not as like an adult comedian not really no maybe once or twice in the last 20 years how are you still afraid of that like 15 years does that still haunt you and

live with you the like fear of waking up and having wet the bed not really unless i'm hammered if i'm really hammered i'm like i might wet the bed tonight but it was all booze related okay because i did as a kid i got over it and then the blacking out would trigger it again i once the first time i hooked up with this guy that i like had a crush on for a long time i had i got my period like the first night I slept over. And I also made a joke. I was like, oh, I guess I was a virgin.

That's great. That's a great joke. But it's such a... It's brutal. It's a really painful feeling. But I assume he was cool with it. He wasn't mean. He wasn't like,

oh my God, it's totally fine. It was not like the... I feel like the guy I'm with now, he would not – he would have been like, who cares? But that guy was kind of like, it's fine with like a face. That's – I never got that. It's a natural thing. I get it. It's vulnerable and bloody. But like why make a lady feel bad i think he maybe

didn't like me that much oh okay okay well that's different separate issue oh did you ever like have cool experiences in cool cemeteries in new orleans oh well we used to go there and drink a lot and uh you know tell ghost stories and hang out because they were pretty, you know, vacant, obviously, at night. Yeah. And our cemeteries are crazy because it floods, obviously. So they build mausoleums. So we don't have graves in New Orleans.

No, I've seen graves there. Well, they're grave stones, but they're actually, they're built up. They're a little like, they're not six feet underground. Are they above ground? Some are above ground and some are just like these stone blocks with a body in it because you can't.

If it's coffins, they'll flop up during the floods and then they'll scatter all over the city. That's how bad the flooding is. You've seen Katrina footage. Right. So we have mausoleums mostly. Okay. So you can sit on them and hang out and jump on them were you affected by katrina i was not really i mean our house got fucked up a little bit we

lost the car but i was in lsu an hour away and we were fine but my parents had to stay with us for a couple days and that was brutal do you feel like your parents are proud of you now I think now they are took a while what is like the vibe like are they like oh my god this isn't because my parents now I think are so like they thought I was such a nothing yeah like any tiny accomplishment I've ever had they were so shocked by so it was like such a even I remember like the first time I was on, I did, remember Craig Ferguson? Sure. I did a late night set on Craig Ferguson. And I still have this email from my dad that is like, I cannot believe how far you've, like how much you've, it was.

That's huge. It was, but I look back and I'm like, they really thought I could do nothing. Right, right. Do you, but so they are so overly proud now that it almost to a point where it makes me uncomfortable because I'm like, this, so you only like me because I have Hollywood success, which is fine. Like I'm so desperate for it that I'll take it anyway. But deep down, I'm like, you know, it's like my mom wants me to buy her a pair of Uggs. Like what, what what who

who what do you really like yeah do you i get that do they feel is it like an overwhelmingly proud or is it just like a little bit of a pat on the back it's uh like wow how about that you know but i get what you're saying but i i do think when it hit home that's when it really connected with them like i was doing the theater in my in in New Orleans and it sold out and they were like, oh, wow, this is crazy. Like when it's in their town and they can see it with their eyes, it's not like I got into the cellar or I did this show in Poughkeepsie that went great. They're like, I don't know what that means. But when it's in the city they live in, they're like, oh, this is real. And people are hitting them up for tickets.

And they're like, oh, shit, when it came home to roost. Yeah. And that's really when they opened their eyes to it. When I shot my special, I did, like, part of it, it was just, like, documentary footage of me and my parents. And they came to watch me headline Gotham. Whoa. and they came to watch me headline Gotham. Whoa.

And I think it's in the special where I'm like, Dad, are you proud of me? I'm headlining Gotham. Oh, God, I could never do that. And he literally goes, well, it's not Madison Square Garden. Oh, that's classic. That's a great line. Wait, why could you never do that?

I could never go, Dad, are you proud of me? Wait, really? No, no, that would be too awkward. Interesting. Yeah, I'll go for it that's great that's i think that's healthy i'm too like i don't want to make them feel weird or i don't want to feel weird but i will say that maybe because there's cameras rolling that like makes it easier because this is all kind of silly sure of course of course but what and but that garden line, that's a perfect button on the whole special. I mean, that sums it all up. The best jokes in my special were said by my dad on accident, for sure. Was he trying to be funny?

I don't think so. That's even better. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Skokie. It's a suburb of Chicago. Oh, Skokie. You've heard of it? I've heard of it. I don't know anything about it. I've heard it. It's a funny word, skokie it's a suburb of chicago oh skokie you've heard of it i've heard of it i don't know anything about it okay it's a funny word it is a funny word it's the world's largest village and it's famous for a kkk march hey there you go yes because we have

the highest number of holocaust survivors so the kkk chose our town our, to march in to sort of like really stick it to Jewish people. Yeah. You hear that, black folk? You got off easy on that one. I think people forget that the KKK hates Jews and Mexicans. They hate everybody. They hate everybody except for, I think they hate non-Catholics. Like they even hate certain white people with different religions.

Oh, okay. So, yeah. And same with the Holocaust. The Holocaust had gay people, it had black people. That's true. Jews really steal the show, but there are others. Yes. Jews steal the show with the Holocaust, black people steal the show with the KKK. So,

wait, do you have any Chicago gigs coming up? I just shot my special there. Where? At the Vic Theater. I love Chicago. That's awesome. It's a great town.

Did you eat anything exciting? I had the beef. I had the Primanti's or whatever. Not Primanti's, that's Pittsburgh. Portillo's? Portillo's.

Yeah. I had that. I had this guy, Professor Pizza. He's like the Chicago staple. He came out and cooked pizza in the green room.

What else did we have? We had a bunch of... did you have a hot dog had a hot dog went to lake michigan saw the green river it was during saint patty's i'm the only douche who filmed on saint patty's the crowd was hammered the whole time oh yeah we in chicago they take saint patrick's day so oh yeah i hate it and in fact at my college university of illinois and urbana-ampaign, they have this holiday called unofficial and it's unofficial St. Patrick's Day. It's the Friday before and all the kids start. Have you heard of this? That's when I was there the Friday before. They start drinking like at 8 a.m. 8 a.m. I saw him. Why is that okay? Well, I'm from New Orleans. Mardi Gr gras is the same way okay and every tailgate you know they get hammered at like 11 a.m i was such a nerd in college because i hated it that everyone was drinking obviously because i was just like jealous that they weren't paying attention to me

but i was always like in my head i was like you guys think that you're gonna drink and then just quit when you get out like you're gonna be you're not gonna be able to go to work either you'll be too drunk anyway i was a fucking nerd. Geez, yeah, I know, right? Narc over here. Wait, okay, so you shot your special at the Vic. At the Vic, yeah. Went well.

I love that town. I would put it number three as the best comedy city. What's one and two? Well, I think New York is up there, but audience-wise, I think Denver might be number one, laugh-wise. Is that based on the comedy works or other places comedy works the paramount it just the audience there get it and i think more specials have been shot there than anywhere else i always thought that that was

literally just because comedy works was like a great room but you're saying it's audience related yeah yeah i did the arena there with schumer, and that was killer. She did her special there. Whoa. Rogan has done a special. Demetri Martin, Dave Attell, Greg Giraldo, Dana Gould. Like, so many specials are done in Denver. What are your vibes on Philly and Boston? I feel like those are the— Oh, I love those.

Those are both great. The Wilbur's great, and anything Philly I love. Now, as a person who's lived in LA for 14 years, and now I've been in New York for two months for the first time, I have to say, and I know this might be like hacky, like new girl in town, but I'm so remarkably energized by the city, like physically, creatively, mentally.

Like I love it so much to the fact where I'm like, this was a clerical error. I was never supposed to live in la like what did i do wow how and i'm curious like do you also feel because you've lived here a long time do you still feel those things i'm saying or do i sound a little bit like new girl in town well that's the thing about new york it is energetic it's great it's fun but it's also like that that crazy gal who's fun in bed but there's also tons of other red flags you know the hobos the kooks the shitting the the subway is not running at the right time uh you land in new york and you're like oh i'm good to be home fuck i can't get an uber or the uber is 800 or i got shanked on the fucking air train you know

there's always something with this city it just fucks you right in the ass. It finds a way. So it is great. It is awesome. It is culturally diverse. And we got every kind of music and food. And the city is beautiful. But it is hell in a lot of ways.

It's not a natural way to live. The tiny apartments, the freezing cold, you know, the trash piling up, the rats. You know, there's a lot of downfall. Okay, yes, true. I could see after two months that becoming a little bit more annoying. Yes, enjoy it while you're here. It is a great, I'm going to raise kids here, I think. So you're here to stay.

I'm here, yeah. Do you ever go to LA and feel like, oh, I could or would live here? I love LA, but I love to visit. And I'd say the same with Austin. Austin is beautiful. It's great. The weather is amazing. The beach in LA is great,

but I feel like LA, I see through it within like a week. I'm like, all right, I'm out. I got it. I'm going back to a real city. What does that mean? What do you see? I think the people are a little vapid.

I think it's a lot of chasing celebrity and not about real, I feel like it's not about like real talent or goals. People have talent, but it's not about like, oh, I want to work on this art form or I want to progress at this. It's like, I got to get a sitcom

or I got to get famous or I got to be a TikTok, whatever. And you feel that when you meet people and you feel like, are they looking at me or like looking through me? Then you show them, hey this is my wife and they go well she can't help me fuck her so then you're like oh man you guys aren't like real people anymore and no one really is from there it feels like these are all very accurate there are generalizations but they're

obviously generalizations for a reason but i would my counter point would be like is there really none of that here because here of course we have it too okay because i was going to say it's like new york and la are both cities where people are like trying to make it yes and like i try not to shame that because i do get it but at the same time what i'm feeling here is so positive and different in the other direction that i have to like give validity to what you're saying because it's like, yeah, I feel like I like I literally went to dinner in Brooklyn with four women I've never strangers. Really? Like and it was this girl like came to my show and she seemed cool and was like, whoa, almost like when you meet a person and it's like kind of like a flirty connection. Yeah. We like had that and we're like, oh, let's keep it going like kind of like a flirty connection yeah we like had

that and we're like oh let's keep it going and then we that's great and i'm like that maybe is not so typical but it is definitely a new york energy thing definitely definitely like i'm i don't know there's just it seems also like people are smarter here and again that could be really a basic blanket thing that is made out of nonsense but also i'm saying it i like it i like well i think la is beautiful and has its its pluses but i do think the isolation uh hurts yes community aspect of la that is you're in your car you're in your house you're not connecting and you're not. And because connecting takes a little bit of effort. And in LA, it's so comfortable. Maybe not so much anymore, but it's so comfortable that you're like, I don't want to do that.

I can go home and smoke weed. Yes. In my cool apartment. And that is a problem. And I think that's why in LA, like I lean more towards being kind of like a sad mope. Right. Here, I'm not. Yeah. I mean, again, it's getting hacky of like a sad mope. Right. Whereas here, I'm not, yeah. I mean, again, it's getting hacky of like LA versus New York.

I get it. But also, no, I'm fully engaged and on board. So if people are like, you guys are lame, it's like, we know. Yeah. I mean, how many times in LA do people go, we got to get lunch, and you never do? Totally. But in New York, I feel like you get the lunch. And I hate that because I came from a Chicago suburb where it's like,

oh my God, a thing that annoyed me so much about like the culture there when like the first few years I was there, people would text me, I miss you. And I would be like, then ask me to hang out. That's a great point. You're not allowed to text me, I miss you and not ask me to hang out. I'm right here. That could be a bit. Write it down. Writing it down, speaking it into a hairbrush. Mark, thank you so much

for chatting and where are you going next? Where can people come and see you? First, I want to say your mom texted. She said this episode sucked.

She said it was really sad. I'm all over the road. I'm going to Australia to do a bunch of gigs there so I'm excited about that. Okay. This is random, but I did gigs in Australia a really long time ago. They were terrible because I was not good.

But coffee and Thai food in Australia is like so good. I'm down. All right. Bring it on. Love Thai and I love coffee. So yeah, marknormancomedy.com. I have a podcast called We Might Be Drunk and Tuesdays with Stories. Love Thai and I love coffee. So yeah, marknormancomedy.com. I have a podcast called We Might Be Drunk and Tuesdays with Stories.

And then you heard All Over the Road, which is my singular pod. What is Tuesdays with Stories? That's me and Joe List. We will go on the road and have adventures and then come back and talk about it on Tuesday. Does that come out every week? Every week. So you have three podcasts that come out every week? Yeah, it's a nightmare.

I feel so much better. I've, at times in my life, I've had four podcasts and it felt like a human punchline. Yeah. Like culturally represented in media as like a joke, as like a girl with too many podcasts. But I think right now I have two.

Okay. Crash Tuesdays and My Pleasure. And I'm playing the Wilbur this fall for this. Whoa! I'm really excited. That's one of the best rooms in the country you're gonna have a blast oh yeah great great theater it feels like a club it's very intimate but it's still 1100 seats or whatever the hell oh my god you're gonna love it I am excited so for people listening I'm coming to Miami, Boston, New York,

Atlanta, and Raleigh you can get tickets at esteronice.com and Mark where can people get tickets to see you marknormancomedy.com check out one of his three podcasts yes please see you guys next week thank you