Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - We All Secretly Want to be DJ’s Ft. Dumfounded & Jenna Jiménez

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

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My theory, everyone secretly wants to be a DJ. That I think you're absolutely right. Everyone. Let's give her a round of applause. And that's why as a society we attack the DJ, we make fun of, we berate the DJ, but it's because we all want to be the DJ. Hi, Slugs. I am so excited that next week I'm going to be in Austin, Texas, November 22nd and 23rd doing shows at Cap City.

You can get tickets at the link in the description. I cannot wait to see you guys. Oh wait, and then also, slugs, I have a solo podcast and it is called Group Therapy and I am discussing all of my innermost private, most horrid, yet lovely life things and goings on. And you can check that out at the link in the description or go to esther's group therapy dot sub stack dot com. I can't wait to see you there. I'm so excited.

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We're in our shipwreck era. Heard of it? No one's doing well. I'm actually a little bit on the up, which is, I actually take it back because I don't even want to say that. I take it back. Well, don't say it because you have to live in the up.

It's just, we went like a month without, we went like a little bit without filming and in that time. She was bad. We both went into a shipwreck. Is it because he missed me? That's what it's looking like. I try to FaceTime you every other day.

You do and you do a great job. She needed you more. But sometimes it's about the osmosis, it's about the air particles exchanged. Can I tell you that Jenna came over and tweezed my shin hairs? And look how great she's doing. Look at me, I'm honestly, I gotta say, I'm thriving.

I was doing very badly for two years. Shut up. Damn. And now? She's the only one that's doing well and I don't understand it, cause she was shipwrecked. I was, I was the shipwrecked. She was like deaf for two years.

We need to introduce our guest, cause he's not talking and I fear it's. Oh no no, I'm just soaking it in. Oh. If you say you're doing well, I'm gonna kick you out. No no, I'm not doing well. I'm not doing well.

Thank God. I'm doing much better. I relapsed, you know, so. What? I was sober for like two years and like. Wait, is that real? About two months ago, but it's okay. No, we'll talk, if you're open to talking about it, welcome. So you're drunk right now or what?

No, no, no, I'm not drunk right now, but I have been drinking again, yes. Welcome back to the show, Dumbfounded. Hey. We should give this credit. Rapper, everything. show, Dumbfounded. Hey. We should give his credits, rapper, everything. Oh, writer on beat. Concaster, actor in my movie, Drugstore June. Oh, that's so good.

Oh, yeah. He's so good in it. Thank you. And he's fine. Aw, thanks. Jenna's been saying that for years, though. Thank you. From like the, when we used to record at even Beachwood.

We did Tiger Belly. I think the first time we did Tiger Belly, we were there. Yeah, and Jenna was said, who's he? I remember. Yep, been fine. Sick. Sick. I'm driving.

Wait, what do you mean you relapsed? No, I just started drinking again and kind of, yeah. I was sober, clean, clean for like two years. Wow. What was the, why did you choose to get sober? Like did your life like sort of come undone? Yeah, I was just, I was drinking a lot for, I mean for a really long time, you know,

and then just the last year before I went sober, I was getting kind of crazy and I had to like chill out. And, but now that I'm back drinking again, it's not as crazy, you know, it's like moderation, but I do want to get back on it, yeah. Coming back to it though, was that like a, I'm in a terrible place, I'm gonna take this drink or? Sorry, that's like a really insensitive.

No, it was like a celebratory thing, and you know, I was in a good mood, and traveling, and you know, I had a drink, and then kind of slowly got back into it. You know? Yeah. So you felt like you were probably in a better place and could manage it.

I think so, I think so. That sounds like me when I went off my Lexapro and I was wrong. Yeah. And this is a PSA for Lexapro. Don't go off of it. And now she back. Yeah, I mean I could start gaining traction and start drinking a lot again,

so I gotta like chill out and like, you know. You know, I sort of felt like I was definitely on that path in my 20s, and the only thing that stopped me, and if it wasn't for this, I probably would have still been like heavily drinking, so I started to literally shit blood. Like, my body was like, bitch, you're done.

Like, you are absolutely done. I was so uncomfortable, like, bitch, you're done. You are absolutely done. I was so uncomfortable. I used to go pick up your suppositories. Thank you for validating my experience. I had to. It's real. I remember the mesalamine. Yeah, I'm like, Jenna, I need. I don't know what it is you just told me,

look, these need to stay cold. This is where you need to get them. It was like a drug deal. She would refrigerate. In transport, she would have to refrigerate my Suppositories that I would stick up my butt cuz I was like bleeding. She's like your caretaker, you know Oh, she's Dispository Esther would be dead. I would not donut

Esther only brought donuts so I could take care of her You don't have an emotional support human? Like someone you travel with, someone that you just know they're going somewhere? You know, when I was touring a lot, I always toured with my DJ and he was kind of the responsible one. For a long time I didn't know how to do simple things like check into a flight and stuff like that. Because I always had somebody. I was just like, I was like a child. I was a child. I mean, I was just like I was like a child. I was a child I'm I was touring since I was like 15 years old, you know, then you and Bobby are I used to think you guys are very different I'm finding out that like thing. I thought of when he said that

Every day now, so they're cooking. I don't I don't you know, I ordered I've been eating out for I don't clean years You know him and Bobby are the only like to I'm also Bobby's emotional support you know but one time I left a town for two days yeah I got oh and it was like after y'all been dating for like six years or something Jenna found Bobby alone in the dark in his room hypoglycemic like no sugar and dying like rotting and I cuz like, Jenna, can you check on Bobby? I don't know what's going on with him. She goes there and she was like, hey Bobby, can I help you? He was like, I don't know what to do, I'm hungry.

I knock on the door, no one answers. Luckily I had his key. I go in, I'm like Bobby, Bobby, no answer. And then I just hear, in here. And I'm like, what? I go into his room, dark, it's like 2 p.m., 3 p.m. He's just in his bed, like catatonic, and he's like, I don't know what to do when Kailah's gone.

What do I do? Okay, but this is what you guys do. My mom does this too. You guys make the man unable to live. Esther, this is your playbook. I followed, by the way. You literally when I first met you it you literally told me to my face make them so they cannot live without you. Did I say that? Yes you were like you have to

set it up so they will die without you. I don't remember saying that. And also another thing I remember make sure that you find a boyfriend with no family with no mom Well, I think Bobby has that thing that a lot of parents have where they don't want to figure out the thing on their own Like they don't want to learn the thing like my parents don't want to figure out tech. Yeah, they're like no, it's just it's too much I can't yeah Isn't isn't that weaponized and competent? don't want to figure out tech. Yeah, they're like, no, it's just too much. I can't do it. Yeah, I think so. But isn't that weaponized incompetence? Yes, that's what I was going to say.

I was looking for the word, but I think he has weaponized incompetence. Oh, 100%. I do not even know that word. Do you know about the Ozempic drama? No. With Bobby. No.

Do you know about the Ozempic drama? No. The Ozempic drama is this. I had helped him get approved for Zep Bound with our doctor, Dr. Zep for a Monday. Don't say his name because then everyone's gonna want him and then we're gonna have less appointments. Oh he's your doctor too? Yeah. Okay that's right. And so for a Monday, that Wednesday before that Monday, Bobby tells his assistant, I can't wait. I need to start it today.

I don't know why he needed to start it on a Wednesday, but you know, Bobby's so like, can be very manipulative and if he wants something, he wants something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Exactly. Like get me black market shit. I don't care. I wasn't aware of this and apparently she finds a nurse to come over and give him a vial

and says here's two milligrams. He thinks two milligrams is the whole, is the dose. So he draws out the entire thing, shoots himself up with two milligrams when he's supposed to start at.25. Yeah. And then starts vomiting. Oh no. with two milligrams when he's supposed to start at.25. And then starts vomiting for every 30 minutes projectile. Calls me, he has shows in San Francisco,

sold out shows in San Francisco. And he's like, I don't know what to do, I'm vomiting every 30 minutes. I have to send over an IV nurse to give him Zofran because he's basically gonna die. And that's him. It's like so- When was this?

Like three weeks ago. Very recently. Are you serious? He's probably really skinny now from- Why, so he just- Bobby comes back, he looks like dumb. I wanna see. I wanna see skinny Bobby.

I'm kinda excited to see this transformation. So Bobby is on ozempic. Well, I ratted him out to the doctor, to our doctor, and I was like, because he was like, if you tell Dr. K what I did, I'm never going to speak to you again. I'm like, he needs to know. And so I ratted him out,

and I think they're figuring out not Ozempic, but Zep-bound. What's the difference? It's just a different like like market. Yeah, I love Medical tattletaling. I just I think that's the best highest form of tattletaling. Did I just break HIPAA you think? No, by the way HIPAA doesn't exist in my world Okay, we don't need HIPAA. No Hippocratic Oath here Yeah, no, I mean there's some like shit. Like, I've done some skin shit. What's your skin shit?

Tell me. I've done a Botox thing before. But you know what, that's the greatest move in Korea though because you save thousands of dollars when you get any cosmetic thing done there. Yeah, I did micro-needling. I put the salmon DNA on my, you know. Salmon?

Ooh, salmon DNA. Yeah, I go crazy. Can you tell us everything you need to get there? Yeah, because I'm afraid of Botox and I really like it. Micro-needling and then you like put in a salmon sperm like thing all over your face. Are you actually 72?

No. I don't know like, with the skin stuff. He doesn't know, because he doesn't probably know his birthday, like how to, it's harder not to be Korean and like not be into it. You know, my parents, I mean, my mom's like super into the skin stuff. So like I'll go and I'll go with my mom and we go like back to back so

she tells you what to do she tells me about it she like sends me a thing and then I have like a bunch of Korean home girls who do skin stuff so I go to them and I'm like yo let me get that I'll post a thing for you and she'll do it for me put us in the group chat yeah can you put us on a group chat got great skin though all you guys Well, my eczema just started flaring up today. I don't know but thank you. Yeah, thank you Yeah, I feel like you looked at me last so I won't even really respond. He was looking at doughnuts. Let's just move, we'll keep the ball rolling

What do you know how to do on your own that you've learned? What don't you know how to do? Do you know how to write a check? Yeah, I know how to write a check. Oh yeah, you're a money guy. That's the one you know? No, but I have a business manager who does everything

so I don't handle any bills. Did you open your own bank account? No. Okay, what would you do? How would you go about opening a bank account? Like every month I don't handle anything. Like I have a business dude who does it. Do you get mail? Like if he wanted to just steal money from me he totally could and get away with it. You're just letting everyone know. Do you need another business manager? No, I trust him. I trust him.

How I see it is, ultimately you're gonna have to have somebody on your team that you can trust, because anyone can fuck you over. Yeah, that's true. See, my business manager is my dad, but he is an 81 year old compulsive gambler. So, it seems like it's a good idea, but it really might not be.

You're actually a millionaire. I just can't trust family either sometimes. You can't, but I would would say Esther you're a hawk Like I don't think anyone Gets away with anything. Yeah, I would be so afraid to even take a penny Even just because you would look at me and even I just have a question I was just wondering Cuz you're suspicious too. Yeah, even if you't do something, I would be scared that she would think that I was actually even possibly gonna do something.

You have to, you show all receipts every time. Yeah, I think Esther, you're the most unscammable person in this room. Thank you, thank you. And you're maybe the most scamable person. I've gone scammed. You have? I've gone scammed multiple times,

but my most recent scam is so embarrassing. I haven't even talked about it yet. This was like three months ago, I got scammed for- Like a boomer? For like, I got scammed, I haven't talked about it. This is embarrassing, because my friends are gonna probably see this shit, and they're gonna be like, okay.

That's okay, we're here. So I was gonna buy a classic car, like an El Camino, like 19th- That's my dream car. Ooh. What year? I have a 1987 El Camino. That's my dream car. What year? I have an El Camino right now. What?

Of course you do. So I bought that car, but before I bought this new car, I was on eBay and I saw a classic car, and I won the bid. It was like for $25,000 or whatever, and then I'm communicating with this guy, and he was like a few cities up north in California and he's gonna ship it, but I sent them the money

and they just disappeared. Without verifying anything? I didn't verify shit. And what happened? That is so sad. It's done, I lost the money. There's no eBay protection plan? And then I looked it up and I found a Reddit post

that this company was scamming motherfuckers. Wait a second. And I'm an second because if I just typed in the company on Google the first search result was this reddit post about the scam I don't blame you for this because I know angry no no because eBay you when you're bidding on eBay you trust it I would never have thought to Google the seller. That's crazy What did it what was it a verified seller that it is there not seller protection buyer protection?

I didn't know about none of that shit. So that's where I would feel the most embarrassed if I were you And this worst part is I still wanted the car so I ended up spending double on the thing So I've actually bought a car from a legit homie who was selling it. So I spent 50K on 25,000 dollar car. But I respect that, because at least you have the car now, and you just don't have the car yet.

That was my pride. I had to actually follow through with the transaction. You were gonna be so salty if you didn't. Nah, it would've hurt. Wait a second, guys. I feel like you can still get your money back. Let's back up here. Yeah, let's back up.

I know, I reported it in everything. To whomst? Like the bank, fraud, wait a second. I feel like you can still get your money back. Let's back up here. Yeah, yeah, let's back up. No, I reported it in everything. To whomst? Like the bank, fraud, all that stuff. Did you do it? I wired the money, and then it was like, it's fraud, but they couldn't do nothing. They can't do it. Who do you call when you're like,

I got, you just called your bank, and you're like. I call my business manager. Right, see that's the thing. And usually if I make a wild transaction, like he would check me about it, you know? But like I just went around, you know, behind him and did it and it was embarrassing. That's why I can't do nothing without him.

This is not quite the same because he didn't lose $25,000, but I remember a time when Bobby spent approximately, let's say two grand on Instagram targeted ads. And it's like, look at this, he's like, grand on Instagram targeted ads. And it's like, look at this, he's like, babe, look at this. It's like a new clothing brand and everything legitimately looked nice, I was like, whoa, those are really nice pants. He gets it in the mail, turns out it's all children's clothing.

He didn't stop to check that it was a company that sold, but the pants, you know, they're not true to size in the photographs, so we got like a large bulk of just like kid pants can I have it? he's a shopping fool like I went to New York and I went to a shop like buying some clothes and he was like oh the shop owner was like what do you do I'm in entertainment it's like oh yeah Bobby Lee was here two weeks ago he bought out like half the store and shit.

Like, he loves shopping. He loves shopping. That motherfucker loves shopping. The store owner was just trying to get you to compete with Bobby and buy a lot. I was like, I'll take this whole store too. Also, he is not, he does not discriminate. He'll buy very expensive things and fast fashion.

Yeah, that's true. Like, the targeted ads are all for Bobby. Like the 9.99 little like big slippers, he'll buy them. He spends a lot of money on like designer homeless chic stuff. Yeah, that's his vibe. The golden goose shoes and all of that. But that's so choogie now, right? I don't, I never was into it.

He loves that shit. He still does. Like on top of that, I'm really bad with money. Like I have a crypto wallet right now that I lost The password to that that has thirty thousand dollars. Do you want me to help you? It's probably double that by now. I flipped my no you could see the thing you go to ether scan and see how much is in There is 30k. It's a hot week for crypto I flipped my whole house to find this 12 seed 12 word seed phrase thing. I can't find it is done

I'm here listen here here, listen here. If I can get you in. I'll give you a thousand dollars if you can get me in. A thousand if I can get you your 30K? Well how much do you want for this? Like 16. Jenna, find out what car he tried to buy on eBay and then post it and then scam him again.

Wait isn't Steffi really good with money? She is, oh my god she she's so cheap, yeah, and she's frugal. I mean, she had a show called Cash Cuties that I was on, and they break down your expenses for the month, and she did that. I did that show with her, and she's one of your best friends.

I imagine she probably just wants to rip her hair off when she hears this shit. I don't tell her about it. I haven't told her about it. I haven't told her about it. I think that's what he was embarrassed about saying. Stephie is who I buy my apples from. Really? Oh, you do? Yeah.

Yeah, she works the little farmer's market, you know, apple booth. That's so cute. She's my apple friend. That's so cute how like we all know each other in like different ways. This is a community. It's community.

Yeah. We're getting there. And she's trying to make a little extra money on the side. She's just trying to stack, you know? Apples is the way to go. What kind of apples? Honeycrisp for me. Wow, okay.

I wouldn't have pegged you as a honeycrisp. Yeah, no, only exclusively. I would think you're like a pink lady. Fuck off. That's horrible. See, I don't think I'll ever be a farmer's market guy. Why? You changed.

No, I love the concept, but it's like, I don't, you know. It's not a concept, it's a real thing. Yeah, no, I didn't think I'll ever be a farmer's market guy. Why? You can change. I love the concept, but it's like, I don't. It's not a concept, it's a real thing. Yeah, no, I love the idea of like, I'm gonna take my bag and get a baguette like sticking out of the bag. And it's like, it's so cool, but like, that's not, you know, like I don't be cooking. Like why would I be cooking?

Well, what are you doing on Sunday morning instead? Like, I like, you know, workout and like hike. I like hiking and you know. I like hiking and you know I like cold plunging. You know that's like a very dude thing. But I will say like Farmers Market, it doesn't have to be stuff you cook. I go with Gene to the Larchmont one and he gets eucalyptus like every week. He gets really good sourdough. I mean it doesn't have to be cookable things. Gene is a very well-rounded man. He is, but you know what?

He does still call me when he has to cook something and he was like, how do I cook the salmon in the rice cooker, you know, because you can steam it and stuff. Yeah. But yeah. During grape season, I just go and get three pounds every Sunday.

You know, I do. You have a good grape hookup. I do. And it's the hot guy. It is the hot guy. Yeah. Who's also Asian, which do I have a thing? We have a picture of him.

You have an Asian fetish. He sent me a picture of him, like, at the grape stand. And you know what? He just started watching this podcast, so what up? My face is crooked now, but it won't be forever. Watching a podcast of like a crush is like getting some good intel. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like when I was a teenager, do you remember like Zanga? It was like a blog thing on the site. Yeah. Where people would input like diary entries and stuff on their page. And this was early on, early 2000s. And I remember middle school, like my crush would like put diary entries and she didn't know like I knew her link. So I'd find out all her deep inner secrets. What did you find out?

Oh my God. Just little things of what she liked and stuff. So when I got her a little gift, it was exactly I knew what she liked. But see, that translated to today is like, it's scary. Yeah. Isn't it? Yeah, it's actually not respecting your boundaries.

I really liked that at first and then you said that. That's true, it's like all of a sudden you from on Netflix or something. Although the greatest moment of my life is like early on in me and Dave's relationship, he had listened to a podcast I did with Eliza Schlesinger talking about Yankee candles and then he got me Yankee, I know, now I would never, but at the time,

okay, it was a different time. It was a different time. Yankee candles did have their moments. They did, we're a snickerdoodle. Like Bath and Body Works time? Yes. Okay, okay. You have to remember, I'm a little older than you.

Are you? No, you're older than me. No. Day. Wait, how old are you guys? 72. Wait, what? I'm 40. I'm 36, I'll be you guys? 76. I'm 40.

I'm 36, I'll be 37 in two months. We never celebrated, or I guess you got a co-celebration with Jules. 40 is a big deal, right? 40 is a big deal. I'm writing there. And I didn't think that it would matter so much, but you know what I did, which I think is a life hack.

My whole year of being 39, I told people I was 40 to kind of prepare myself for like the heartache. So by the time I did, like, you know, I practiced saying I was 40 before I turned 40 and it helps, because then you're like, oh, okay, here I am. But then you missed out on 39. But 39 is so inconsequential.

Yeah, 39 is whack as fuck. True, okay. I feel like. You're right. It's a good one to miss. My plan is because I haven't been able to celebrate my big 40th birthday because of my face paralysis. I'm gonna make 41 my big thing. So next year I'm gonna have like a big 41.

That's dope. I wanna do a big 40th birthday. What's your age? I'm 38 but I'm turning 39 in February. You're gonna do a big 38 you said? No, no, no, a big 40. Big 40, yeah you have to. Maybe I'll do a big 37 just cause that's what's closest

and I wanna copy you. Are you a big, you're not a big birthday celebration. No, I hate it. She hides, you hide. She hides and when I text her like, so grateful for you, blah, blah, she's like, okay, are you coming over next week? She just stumps up your text.

It's so stupid. Not even. Barely. But how are you feeling about 40, like any other insights you can share? Is it not a big deal or is there just, it's too much going on with your face that you can't? It's too much going on with my face. Yeah. Yeah.

I think I wasn't able to like, you know, every day I wake up, which is kind of fucked. Okay, here's the thing. I know we're all like obsessed with like Botox and like, dude, so half of my face is legitimately paralyzed, right? So it's like, I got Botox on one side from like here to here. And now that I've had this, I am terrified of Botox. Like I will never get that shit again.

I hate the feeling of it not moving. I can't really. See, I'm terrified of Botox and this is just like. Well then don't get it. But it's like it looks so good on my friends. It does look good. It does look good. I can't really tell you have this thing,

which tells me like, are you just not as expressive regularly? Look here. Yeah, I mean, but I'm just saying. She's not smiling like this. That's because half of her face isn't working. Yeah, and then my eye won't close. I showed you earlier.

That's crazy. You saw the eye. Yeah, it's kinda cool. Oh, thank you. Can I, where can I get it? It's actually really, but I know someone who, like, it's a thing where people get Botox and then their face gets paralyzed, so you're not wrong to fear that now someone who, like it's a thing where people get Botox

and then their face gets paralyzed, so you're not wrong to fear that now. Oh, so that's a thing. Yeah. Oh God, no, never then. Yeah. But I don't think it's a temporary, it's a temporary thing right now.

Yeah, yeah. Because Botox only lasts for like three months, right? Bobby always roasts me for not having like an upper lip. You know why? He does that to everyone. He doesn't have an upper lip. Wait, let me see, I didn't even notice your lips. But I saw his photo, I'm like,

he doesn't have a fucking upper lip. Wait, you have the same similar lips to him. Let me see. I didn't even notice your lips. I saw his photo, I'm like, he doesn't have a fucking upper lip. Wait, you have the same similar lips to him. You have, no you have lips, it's just that, cause look, when you close your mouth, it's there. It's just that it goes, it's angled. You have a lip. Yeah, alright. Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm necessarily

looking at men's lips either. Yeah, I didn't notice your lips at all. Bobby's staring at my lips. He's obsessed with men's lips and asses. I notice hands. He is. I notice it. When I'm around him, you pay attention. He's always commenting on men's bodies,

their asses, and their lips. You're so right. He never comments on women's bodies. No, he needs to. He needs to start commenting on women's bodies. My god. That is so true. To prove something, I don't know what.

Something. I notice hands and overall face and vibe, but not features and lips, and definitely not asses of men. On men? Yeah. I think I look at women's bodies more, actually. Yeah, that's common for women, I think. My number one thing in anyone I'm going to be attracted to

is voice. And I tried to test this theory. I'm like, truly how important is someone's voice to me? Because I've been saying that my whole life, right? So I dated a guy with a very squeaky voice, because he was like cute, and he was like good looking, and I just, I tried so hard and every day when he was like, good morning, sweetie.

I was like, oh, oh, oh. That sounds like Stevie. I couldn't do it. So I think that I am very shallow in that. How's my voice? That's a good voice. Yeah, that's good. Thank you.

Ew. Instant turn off for me. Good. Bobby has a nice voice. Incredible. Very, very distinct. When I talked to him on the phone for the first time, I was like, ooh, this is nice.

Go ahead, Esther. No, I was just gonna say that I think you can really get tricked though by a good voice because I've been in that situation where you're in high school, junior high, and there's a group of guys hanging out, you're on the phone, then you meet one over the phone and you're like, he sounds hot.

And then in person, you're like, you feel like you betrayed yourself. Like voice fished. You will, you just, you're like, how was I attracted to that? Like, cause you create this thing in your head based around the voice. And then when you see it in real life, you just. But Esther, this isn't love is blind.

Like I am like, you know, we're not behind pods. I'm just saying you need to be careful, okay? Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. And I had one of those experiences in high school. We can bleep his name out, but his name was, he was this really what I thought was like a really dreamy sounding cholo on the phone.

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and you knew their parents' phone numbers and like, hey, is Trey there? And you would just speak for him. I ran up the phone bill a crazy amount or you call a crush and you had the other homie on the line too, like, chilling in. Yes, I used to be the other. Why would you do that?

I forgot why we did that. There was a reason we did that. It happened though. It was a weird thing. It was like a. I remember my friend Marco, he would talk to his girlfriend and he would three way it with me on the landlines

to have me like listen. I don't know why. Oh no no no, I see why. I remember why. We did do that. It was like, it was my homie like asking her like, so what do you think about, what do you think about Johnny?

Like you know that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was just there like, that's why. Like I was trying to figure out why the fuck that's weird. Yeah. Did it ever go wrong though? Like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It wasn't always like, he's all right. Oh, I miss those wholesome days. I know. Yeah. Do you guys, did you guys ever play around with like the party line? What? Oh yeah, I know what that is, Yeah, where if you didn't like their voice you could just skip on to the next person Yeah, was that LA thing it I think it was very LA thing

It was a very Latino culture thing like a lot of Latinos were on this so you can go to my friends through your phone. I Just remember chat roulette Similar problem later. Yeah, this is pre computer. Yeah, and then you would have like this must be an LA with like randos But I met a guy on the party line. Wow. What did you do? You actually like had phone sex Yeah, we like okay, so you meet them like okay So if you don't like their voice you switch to the yeah, you can switch the next person Which you know like you press a number you can go to a separate room just you two by like pressing a thing and you go it's weird that you need to know how to do it like

you think you're gonna do it later today yo that is really right and fucked up it's my ADHD it's like I need to know every single step or else nothing makes sense there's a good podcast about this era and how it worked really yeah he Yeah, yeah, I'll send it to you. He's like, I'll just send you the link so we don't have to do this. Wait, so what happens? And then you exchange numbers with that person if you want to carry it on outside of the party line and then we just started like talking, you know, about like life and stuff in my little high school life. And then you had phone sex. Um, we got very flirtatious and sexual but most of the time because I'm a 15 year old I'm not meeting up with anyone. I don't have a car. I have an MTA bus pass

Yeah, like so it basically like ends there. So you're having sex with this Asian trailblazer Basically Yeah, I was bad too I was I was bad too. I was like the movie, the kids, you know? You know, like there's like that new coming of age movie that just came out, Dee Dee? Dee Dee, yes. But I wasn't even like that.

I can't relate to that movie because I was way worse than that kid, you know? Like I was bad as fuck. Okay, but at least you had the safety of being a dude. I would just hitchhike all over LA. and dudes would be like, you need a ride? I'm like, I sure do. I never like feared for my safety. And then now looking back, I'm like, oh, my God, I was not scared at all. And it was so amazing.

But everyone always took me to where I needed to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing bad happened. So friendly. Oh, yeah. Everyone's so great. Yeah, everyone was so great. Bad things did happen, you girls. I know. You girls. Bad things did happen, so let's stop that.

Let's stop it. I mean, I wouldn't do it now, but you guys have to admit, like, we felt safe growing up. I'm not, I was not as free-spirited as you guys. That checks out. I didn't feel safe. I wanted to recreate my trauma, apparently, because I was sexually assaulted not I was not as free-spirited as you guys that I didn't feel safe I wanted to recreate my trauma apparently because I was sexually assaulted and I was younger and what happens is that you start to seek out Yeah, very dangerous situations for it to try to make sense according to dr. Drew, so that's why I was like

Yeah, I was just recreating bad shit because that's sort of like I'm familiar with that. Mm-hmm Like me and my sister yeah like I was bad and my sister was two years younger than me was even fucking crazy really yeah she young I would like Latino gang bangers and you know tag bangers she still is my sister's crazy she has like Los Angeles head across oh my god English just that's my bitch she still hangs the only with Latinos like wait I want to I want to have a similar kind of you yeah we will be a great young

we'd i'm where you guys close that was was the close yeah yeah and she you know is crazy cuz you know we both dropped out of high school we're both bad as fuck and now she became the social workers she's a great mom and all that stuff but one year she went from the site forty ounces until like having a baby and like being a good mom.

It was crazy. I love that story arc though. That is just like me, yeah. No, it is, it's so real. The most powerful drug on the market is motherhood. It will fuck you up and shift you and change you like in a way that, like you're her brother and you're like, I didn't do that, how'd this happen?

That's what I'm like, I wanna settle, I wanna just have a baby. To just. But not take care of it. No, I'll take care of it. It'll force me to take care of it. It'll also just force me to hunker down. If I got someone pregnant right now, it's not the craziest. You wanna go?

It's not the craziest thing, you know? No, it's not the craziest thing. It's not the craziest thing, you know? No, it's not. Like I'm almost 40, it's like I can take care of it, like financially and all that, like I'll do it. I genuinely think that it changes the chemistry within you and I think you would be an exceptional dad because you are so

Like you do so many things and a lot of things are fun for you Yeah, I feel like you would have so much fun with a kid, especially when they get older and you get to show them stuff I don't want to plan to have a baby though. I want to accidentally have a baby and hopefully That person I'm having a baby is a great person But that is so many like on like that is so scary sounding to me and hopefully that person I'm having a baby is a great person. It sounds like a bad. But that is so many, like, that is so scary sounding to me. I'll tell you why, because it is,

I mean, I'm sure Esther, you can attest to this, it is so hard, even with a person that you love, to like, get it right. You know what I mean? That's true. The newborn stage, like, raising a baby is already so hard even with someone you have a real connection with. Like imagine if it's just a rando. Like you wanna be a dad, you wanna actually

like be in their life. So I think like choose wisely. It sounds like you're like, you want this thing but you are maybe afraid of the mental commitment too to being like, yeah, this is the type of person I am now, this is what I'm gonna do. It's like, if it happens to you, then you'll be like, all right, I'll step up, but I'm not like, committing to it.

I like the plan. Really? I like the lack of plan, plan, because it's like, you're just sort of like, low key manifesting it. You're like, if it happens, like, it'll just kind of happen, whereas you're not, which is honestly, Kalyla, the best way, because think about it like this.

If he's like, no, it has to be perfect. Think of all the friends that you know who are like, I want kids, it needs to be this, this, and this, and this, or I need the guy that needs to be this, this, and this. They're fucked, right? They have too many specific needs, they're planning, and I do this too.

And they're let down by. Yeah, so I think this sort of like, I'm open to it is the best way. Yeah, but not the random person, because I'm telling you, having the kid with the wrong person I've seen my friends do that, ruins their whole fucking life. They're not a random person,

they're a person I had sex with. No, but they're supposed to be a good choice. It led up to, you know, we built some sort of bond to get to the sex part, you know. They have to be a good choice though. Yeah, you're right. I mean, here's the thing. I think the reason for that mentality is because

I have a lot of friends who are kids now are like 10 years old and they had kids a little earlier and they just like made it work and they're not with their baby's mom, but somehow like it all worked out and it's cool I mean I guess it doesn't work out all the time there's a lot of problems there it just how I mean my brother had a kid with someone he didn't stay with but they get along in their co-parenting in their separation but I have a lot of friends whose lives are miserable now

because that person has made it their job to make their lives miserable. And they have a kid with them. And use the kids as like, you know. Right. Leverage, yeah. Leverage, yeah. That sucks.

But also my parents were like terrible parents. Were they really? Oh my God. Oh, tell us. They were the worst Asian parents on the planet. But didn't your mom like get here through South America, through Mexico? Yeah, she carried me and my sister

to the Mexican border illegally. What? Yeah. I don't know if I should be saying that with Trump in the office now. My dad's why I'm here, I'm with you. Yeah, I came here illegally. And my mom was the only Asian person on that little trek.

How did that happen for her? Because my dad came here first to set up shop in LA cuz I'm from Argentina Yeah, and then so they set up shop my dad set up shop He sent money back from my mom to like pay these coyotes that will help her Get into the Mexican border because she couldn't come So she carried me as a baby when I was three and my sister one years old through the Mexican border And she told me about the whole journey. It was like scary as fuck. I don't know why like I'm actually The real because the risk of that is giving me the chills like how did that's just She has when you go on that journey. You don't know that you're no

She said it was she said it was very scary like she said it was a very scary thing. And I'm actually gonna sit down with her and get the specific story, because I'm writing a book thing right now. And I need only... Is it a book or a book thing? It's a memoir, it's a memoir, yeah, yeah. But this is incredible because it's like, I know that you say she was not a good parent and stuff,

but it's so scary to have, well, how old were you when she was? Well I was only three and my sister was one, so she's carrying two babies, you know. But I'm only saying she wasn't a good parent just because my dad and mom were violent in the household with each other throughout my whole youth.

I don't remember like- So it was like their relationship that made it. It was their relationship and it was really my dad, he was alcoholic, abusive, but I don't remember like one happy moment in my household growing up That is such an interesting thing that I've like started to kind of like realize for myself to is growing up It's not the thing that hurt me the most it's not what my mom did to me Necessarily like you know she was like abusive and like she did like the old school, like, you know, beat your kid shit, right?

But that's actually not what I think hurt me the most. What hurt me the most is seeing her unhappy. Yes. I never, I cannot remember a time in my life where I saw my mom joyful, smiling, relaxed, not anxious. And I really now see that as like, that's what I carry. That became like my inner dialogue as an adult. There is nothing more upsetting than a parent

who is not like living for themselves or has any joy. It will, it like consumes you. And parents don't think that it does that to their kids. Right. That's true. Like you can't be a martyr. You really, now that I, you know, through therapy, I'm realizing that like, I feel sad that I never saw her happy. Yeah.

Because it's like, of course she wanted to be happy, but she was young, terrified, had gone through a lot of abuse, had me and my sister very young. Like, how could she have figured it out? That's why I try to do a lot for my mom for sure because she still has to like unprogram herself. That's so hard. To do it and it's like so hard. Like I still struggle with it.

I'm trying to put her on trips and all this shit. She doesn't know what the fuck to do with herself. Like I saw that you guys just took like a pretty special like family trip for the first time. Yeah, it was the first ever family trip ever. Your mom? Hawaii this past year. Yeah, it was my mom, me, my sister, and my sister's son.

And like it was intense for me just to facilitate this thing too because I'm the one in charge of this shit and I've never been in charge of shit. Now that I know. But look at you, you did that. I did it, it was crazy. I think I chose your hotel for you.

You did, you helped me out, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you check in your flight alone? Yeah, I checked in for everybody. Okay, look at you, you did that. I did it, it was crazy. I think I chose your hotel for you. You did, you helped me out, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you check into your flight alone? Yeah, I checked in for everybody. Okay, look at you. How do you like being an uncle? It's great, it's great, so cute, you know, nine years old. And a lot of people say he looks like me when I was that age, so it's really interesting.

It's cool, I feel like I'm there, I'm present. I'm not trying to be like the cool uncle who only checks in on weekends I'm trying to be there regularly But yeah, I mean I'm trying to break generational Special like so when you when you thought about it you were like I want to go on a family trip I did and I want to continue it. I'm trying to do a set do another one in Korea with us It's a challenge every time still. Because it sucks that every time with my mom,

I get so angry for something. Yeah, I mean that zero to 100, me too. I feel so guilty though. This is all of us. What is this? We love our mothers so much. The most maybe. And we want them to be happy so much

so that it makes me feel aggressive, angry. I want her to live for her. I want her to stop asking how everyone's doing. I want her to literally be like, oh I'm busy now, I can't pick up the phone. I'm doing whatever. I told her, I'm like, I don't care what the fuck you do. Do something.

She's like taking care of the feral cats in the neighborhood now, which is great. But I'm like, I don't care what it is. Do something that's not just our lives. Is your mom similar like that? Yeah, for sure. I want her to go to the activity. She has like no friends and shit. My mom. Go do some bad mittens with bad men or some shit with some other Koreans or some shit. What is this though? Because I told my mom like, Ma, you need community. We cannot be your only community because it's like we're not need community. We cannot be your only community because it's like we're not your age, we don't understand certain things, right?

And she's just like, I don't need it. And I'm trying to convince her that she does. And all she does all day, she wakes up, she eats a monster breakfast, she works out like crazy, and then that's her day. It's crazy. And I'm like, get out, get to know, and they won't. She lives for me and my sister.

That they'll never understand. I didn't know that your mom was like that. She doesn't have no friends. She's like, oh, I have Joy. I'm like, who's Joy? She's like, we talk on the phone once a week. I'm like, when was the last time you saw Joy? She goes, 11 years ago.

Like, that's not a friend. She in my beginning voice fisheded and that is not Joy. They used to work together apparently but. I will say my mom does well with like always finding some dude. Like she'll always have like a man friend. You know what I mean? Because she's like, she's very youthful. And she looks younger than her age.

Yeah, she just looks really young for her age. So your mom's like a hottie. Yeah, you know when I was young it was annoying. I had friends who was always like So your mom's like a hottie. Yeah, you know, when I was young, it was annoying. I had friends who was always like, oh, your mom's hot, that kind of thing. Yeah, but now it's like, hell yeah, my mom's hot. I don't know if I'm doing that, but yeah. I mean, she's just, she's very youthful.

And your mom and dad didn't stay together? No, they were never happy together. I always wondered how they ever met and how they got married. It was like, just didn't mix, they didn't mix, you know? So they always fought, my dad was very violent with my mom, very abusive, like beat the shit out of her like throughout my whole life when I was a kid, seeing that.

And that's why me and my sister had so much freedom to like roam the city and do whatever we want. I mean, luckily it's like, that's how I found like rap and freestyle and all that, cause I was able to go out, you know, 10 PM on a school night to like an open mic in Los Angeles or some shit, you know? And my sister too, we were just free to go do

whatever the fuck we want. I dropped out of high school, my parents didn't even know for two years after. What? Whoa. Yeah, it was like, I was just got away with so much shit. Wait, were you lying or no one ever asked you? No one really cared, no one checked.

There was too much other shit going on. Yeah, like anytime I needed to get something signed from the teachers or something. They were just like sign it You know, it's just like also like language barrier. They don't want to deal with anything You know, they're just like you sign it you handle. Yeah, you know, you do this paperwork or whatever. So That's interesting because I'm looking up why this is happening with you guys and if they're saying because helicopter parenting it was so affluent with boomers that we now feel a responsibility to take care of them because that's what we were taught

by our parents was helicoptering. Yeah, I mean. I feel like that should just be standard though. I think people should take care of their parents, no? That's a cultural difference because I feel that way too. I am. But it's like. But ever because I feel that way too. I am. But it's like.

But ever since, this is the longest I haven't spoke to my dad, almost all year I haven't talked to him, and I feel so much more stress-free, honestly, it's crazy. Wow. But I need to, at some point, fix it. It just got weird. But that's a good boundary for you to at least

have perspective about and know, okay, I can intermittently put him into my life the way I want to. Yeah, I've always kept him in my life, you know, and it's always been difficult knowing like all the awful things he's done, but I just can't fully abandon him in a way. Yeah, I don't think I would be able to either. Because you get older as a man too, and you see glimpses of like possibly why he could have turned that way too. You know, he came to this country with stress, doubt, felon, alcohol, and gambling.

All of that because he was stressing the fuck out. And that is an excuse as like violent behavior, but like you can sympathize with that, you know? And I think my relation this past year got weird because I started living in borrow money and it just, our relationship became transactional all the time. That's like what my dad always says,

there's no such thing as borrow. If you lend someone money, consider it gone. Yeah, for sure. That's what happened with this. Because then that person is gonna keep ducking you and you just basically like lost a friend, lost her in the end. Which dad? My, oh not Roger.

Yeah. Your dad dad. My dad dad. He's like if you have it, like, say goodbye to it. I'm broke and I'd be lending people money all the time. Yeah, it's not a good move. But you know, I was thinking about this recently and I think it would have helped me growing up to see pictures of my mom as a baby or as a child.

Why? Oh, like some human. Not just, because when I'm born, she's in my head, she's born as mom. And I don't know her any other way than just someone who would nurture me. They were never. No, and I have big cries in the shower now when I think about my mom as a baby. Yeah. And the day that she was born and being a very innocent, pure thing and a child seeing things for the very first time and it breaks my heart. I get so choked up thinking about it now because I'm like, oh, it would have really helped

if I had had some perspective about who this person was outside of just mom. But it's impossible to have when you're younger as well because you don't understand the perspective due to the nature that you're just not old impossible to have when you're younger as well because you don't understand the perspective due to the nature that like you're just not old enough to have that perspective. I just I feel that I would not have wanted to see that because it would have freaked me out because you don't want like I just think as a baby I guess I'm thinking about being a baby but like I don't want to see my mom as anything other than mom that's so scary really yeah that's so scary not when you're a baby but like I still don't have pictures of my mom you don't as a baby I've never I don't know

what she looks like as a baby they don't exist wait why because should they grab in the Philippines third-world no camera okay yeah they didn't have photos and shit I mean they did but probably, but probably, I remember seeing, like, I think I've talked about this. I only have, like, two of my dad, and the youngest it goes is when he's, like, seven. Oh, wow, that's pretty young. I would have loved even that,

because the youngest I have of my mom is of her in, like, a yearbook, and I remember seeing it for the first time when I was, like like six years old and crying and being like that's not my mom because she looked like really young and I'm like there's no way that's my mom. Dude immigrant parents though, that is,

that's like in and of itself something that I can't even fathom. I mean like our parents, obviously immigrants, well, but you know, like that is something that's like, I can't even imagine being, I can only imagine being born somewhere that is horrific, not having the money. I mean my dad had one pair of shoes for like seven years, didn't go to school, was helping his dad,

who was an alcoholic with work, cause his dad drove trucks and then he would just be drunk. So my dad at like nine had to start driving. Oh my God, at nine? At nine? Cause my grandfather would be so drunk that he was just like, he couldn't do his job. Nine is not gonna say ready to be drunk. He's like, hey wait my moles.

Yeah, but it's like. It is crazy, moving to a whole different country. Swam here, my mom would pay the guards to look the other way. Like it's a whole thing that. Imagine you're driving, just driving here and there's a nine year old on the road. I think that's what happened recently.

There was like an eight year old girl who drove to Target, got herself like a frappuccino. Okay, that's awesome. And like drove home. Yes. That's American culture at its strongest. But I feel like that's maybe shocking over here, but if you go to the Philippines,

like adults will ask their five year olds, like go get me a pack of cigarettes. Yeah, yeah. I used to do that for my dad. You know, grab cigarettes and booze and all this shit, run errands for him and shit. I'll never forget thinking that my grandma was trying to bond with me,

asking me if I wanted to go to 7-Eleven. That wasn't it. It wasn't just that she thought I wanted a snack. It was that she ran out of cigarettes. Yeah. And you're like, ooh. And I got to go with, yeah. How many times did she do this? It was just once.

And I was like, oh my God, grandma wants to go with yeah, how many times did she do this? It was just once and I I was like, oh my god That was the one body somewhere. This is so Beautiful just once. Yeah Remember, I remember finding a VHS porno tape in my house further than my dad had and it was Ron Jeremy I was like like Seven eight years old. I like I found this tape and set said something like, Cinderella or something, and I popped in the tape. And it was just like Ron Jeremy just laying pipe, and I freaked out, I ejected the thing,

and my first reaction was I undid the tape. Oh my God, how dramatic. I don't know what got into me. And then after I looked at it, I was like, fuck, my dad's gonna find out now. So I just went down to the apartment hall and threw it down the trash chute. And I remember like a week later,

my dad like talking to my mom, like did you move this tape or whatever? And I was like, fuck. Oh my God. Where's Cinderella? Yeah, where's Cinderella? You'd be like, what tape, dad? So much drama of the olden days of

Ripping a tape. Olden days? Like there's no drama of that nature in our time currently. That is beautiful. That is the equivalent. That is very like the old. Like smashing the phone. Oh yeah, maybe. Oh yeah, that's true.

It takes 30 minutes if you look at me. I'm going and I'm going and I'm still mad. And I'm going faster and then I go slow. Like that is. And they're like then I go slow. That is- And they're like, whenever you're done. That is beautiful. There's nothing like that no more. It's all digital media, so.

We used to turn it back when it would kind of come loose. Yeah, you would just put your little finger in there. If I was gonna write a play, that would be like the height of the play. I haven't even seen a good paper tear recently. Oh yeah. I haven't seen one of good paper tear recently. Yeah. These are the lost things of the cell phone generation. When was the last time you bought paper?

Oh, I buy paper all the time for my printer. I'm a printing thread. Oh, I print so much. You print, oh yes, you do. So much. Not only for my deodorant, I print all the labels, but I also for sides, if someone sends me something, I don't wanna look it in my phone.

If it's a schedule, I wanna print it out and look at it. Yeah, I do sides on paper too. That's so cute guys. I'm old school. Printers, and if anyone including, if you have a printer that works, call me. Esther's printer never works. I have a fixture printer.

I don't believe in printers that work. I haven't found them. My printer never works. Call me. No, I don't believe in printers that work. I haven't found them. My printer be working. You got a laser or what? Yeah, inkjet, HP. That sounds like something that got invented in 1993. And you're like, it's amazing. Do people not use laser printers anymore?

Is it mainly? Yo, I don't know, but printers. Printers, I like reading sides off the paper, then scripts too. I have to. Sides, a schedule, sides off the paper, then scripts too. I have to. Sides, a schedule, anything. It's gotta be printed out. I don't wanna look on my phone

and have to zoom in and out. I miss burning CDs for people. Yeah. That was my love language. I still have hella burnt CDs that people burn for me. That's all I did all day long was burn CDs for my loved ones. Just cause I love them all day long was burn CDs for my loved ones. Just come out and do them all day long?

But does it burning mean copying? Yeah, copying. Yeah. Not creating the mix. No. No, no, no, no. You would burn, no, you take the MP3 files and you burn it onto a CD.

Oh. So you do create the mix. Yes, creating a mix as well. You do create the mix. I always thought burning was just copying a CD. No, no, no. When you create the mix, it is so specific. And you know how you were starting to

title your playlist long sentences, like 4 a.m., drinking coffee under a willow tree, or whatever? Yes. That's how we used to do it. That's how I used to do it back then. It was very specific, and we would write messages. And you used to write it around. Yeah, I did that.

Yeah, and it was such a love language and I miss doing that. Does it have the same effect if you make a Spotify playlist for somebody? No. No? Kind of, I still do. Yeah, like I will still.

For me it feels no. No, really? Maybe because no one's ever made me one. Oh. Ever. I'll make you one. But it feels like it would feel no. No, you choose a cover art and everything and the title, the playlist, all that stuff.

I guess I just don't know because no one's ever made me one. I always felt a little bit of a pressure like creating a mix for somebody because I didn't want them to judge my music taste and things like that so I spent a lot of time, I'd stay up just like I'm doing research on stuff, you know, just to really curate a great mix for somebody. I totally get that pressure and you also have to kind of like songs you like but also obscure one so they think you have like out-of-the-box musical taste you would so do that I hate to break it to all of you I hate to break it to all of

you but everything that you're all saying lines up with my theory that everyone secretly wants to be a DJ. I never argued with you about that. I think you're absolutely right. Let's give her a round of applause. And that's why as a society we attack the DJ, we make fun of, we berate the DJ, but it's because we all want to be the DJ.

And you know my history of my DJ dreams, right? I think I unfortunately dropped that bit of wisdom, that information. What was the name again? I don't wanna talk about it, Stella, but I did have big dreams of becoming a DJ and not even that long ago. It was like in my mid 20s and I swear to you in my head,

like I was it, like I was so fucking good. And it was like embarrassing, but you're right. I mean, I think it is the sweetest gig in modern times. Being a DJ, getting paid stupid money for that. Yeah, to just play. It's crazy. But I personally don't wanna be a DJ because I don't wanna figure out the technicals.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't wanna be a a DJ it's too loud it's too loud but I would want to send no one would like my mixes anyhow it would be like three six mafia lady smith black mambazo and they'd be like we're good people love that yeah together no people always like your my playlist like what my my music if it goes on random in my car, it's not good. But this is also a form of reverse DJ.

You're like, my music is so weird, nobody would like it. I'm too weird to be a DJ. Yes, true, that's so true. Oh my god, there's different angles and this is just a different angle at DJing. Because you want us to hear it and be like, wait, what was that? You said it will come after a Three 6 Mafia?

That's so weird and interesting. You're so special and different. I'm just so used to people not, no. Someone being a DJ is a hot thing. I find it un-hot. Really? Really? Yes.

Yeah, yeah. I think of like when we used to go to Vegas and, oh God, let's not bring that up either. It's un-hot. I'm not going on my used to go to Vegas and Oh God, let's not bring that up either. I, it's like, I'm not going on my way to hate on DJs, respect DJs, do your thing. I'm attracted to intelligence, so. You just, it's a job that doesn't require intelligence.

Am I wrong? Am I wrong? You have to know how to. No. I think it requires some level of skill. It's taste too. Do you think DJs? I do like people with good taste.

Do you think DJs read? No, but I mean like, Okay. You know, Rick Rubin reads. He's not a DJ. No, but I'm saying he's a tastemaker, right? He's somebody who just knows that he trusts what he likes and is able to sort of convey,

because he's not a musician. But he's a producer. And yes, he leads with his taste, but that's not what he does is play music. But he does lead with his taste, which is a similar skill to a DJ. All I think of when I think of a DJ is the de-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne Swedish House Mafia? You know, the guy. Who? David Guetta. No. Calvin Harris? The guy, and you guys know who I'm talking about.

That's not clear enough. I know, I'm telling you. Whatever melody you're doing. I know, I'm telling you. Kiss Try Again. Oh my God. No, please don't try again. Are you talking about like Skrillex or something?

No, except actually I used to be obsessed with Skrillex when I was in college when Dubstep first started. Met him, I was in this hip hop dance crew and he came to like perform at our fucking show or whatever. Why did everybody go to college and do hip hop dance? That's like one of- I don't know but I was in dance to excess so- What is that? Oh y'all. The people will know. The people I'm speaking to will know. The people will know.

This! Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. No, it's like Martin Solvay and Dragonette. That's who I think of when I think of DJing. I don't like it. Wait, Esther, so with your theory, do you think that we hate it because we secretly wanna be a DJ also? Yes, and I do understand that I'm fulfilling that theory now

by hating on DJs. But yes, I do think that everyone, they're a cultural, like, it's just a thing that we all make fun of all the time. But yet it's obvious that it's like the easiest gig, and everyone loves to play and have choice over the music. Every party, everyone wants to be in charge of the playlist. So it's not a unique talent,

you feel like anyone can get into it. The entry level of it is too easy. Well, I don't even know if the entry level is easy because I wouldn't even know how to become a DJ because I have tried and I can't figure it out. No, the entry level is easy to be a DJ. Anybody can be a DJ. Right, or like when someone's like,

career shift, I'm becoming a DJ That's like Dean. Do you not like it when Paris Hilton became a DJ? No, I hated it I'd rather her do nothing than be a DJ. I didn't even know she was a DJ It's yeah, it's she it's more of an international side career. These are not on my radar Guys geez DJs are not on my radar. Guys. Geez. You guys are hating on DJs way too much. No, we're not.

No, let's not hate on them because it is a real job and they're doing their thing and that's how they want to express themselves. Yeah, that too. I agree with that too, sure. Okay, that's been our episode. You know what? This year I'm going to reignite my DJing career. I mean good for you, but don't share that with us No, you know what this will be good for me because I'll be behind the scenes I'll you'll tell me how it's going and then maybe I'll learn to find a way to respect DJs wait. You don't respect them Next week dumbfounded and where can we go find more you? Just on socials, just look up Dumbfounded. And when is Beef season two?

They start filming soon. But it hasn't started yet. So it's not going to be for a bit. How exciting. Wait, and you write on it? That's amazing. Yeah. It's going to be good.

I love season one. Thanks for tuning in. We love you, Sluggies. And we'll see you next week with a brand new episode.