TRASHFUTURE - Certified Gerard Butler in Gamer (2009) Moment feat. Justin Roczniak

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

We’ve brought on friend of the show and Well There’s Your Problem host Justin Roczniak (@who_shot_jgr) to discuss Tesla’s promise to deliver, and they’re serious this time, self-driving cars. However, investment banks and analyst newsletters made up of people who won’t be getting bonuses this year due to Twitter’s stock nosedive are perhaps a little more sanguine about the prospect. We also discuss more Saudi Ozymandias megaprojects and envision a better world that would exist if people picked a different Gerard Butler movie from which to derive their entire personality. *T-SHIRT ALERT* Two new t-shirt designs—Avignon Popes and Banished to the Lagoon—are available for pre-order on our website. Get them here!  *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s UK Tour here: https://miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

Hi everybody, welcome to this, it's Monday. It's the free one. Free episode of TF. Well, it's Monday for us. Who knows what day it is for you. Or what year it is. Write in. Do not write in.

Maybe you're listening to this in the post-apocalyptic wastes. Yeah, that's right. We're avoiding mounds and mounds of letters of people just writing in to say, it's Thursday. A great letter to receive on a Thursday. The postman thinks we're like a dementia home. Because we just keep getting letters that say what day of the week it is. All right.

I'm very confused. So yes, yes, yes. Don't write in. We don't of the week it is. Alright. He's very confused. So yes, yes, yes. Don't write in. We don't need the piles of letters. But what we do need is to introduce our guest. It is Justin Rozniak. Roz, how's it going? Oh, I'm doing pretty good. I'm having a nice time. I'm here with my favorite podcasters except for Liam. He's not allowed

here. I know. He knows what he's doing. We have an episode for you I've been wanting to do for a week, but it's kept getting pushed back by other stuff, which is of course we are going to be looking at all of the fun things that Elon has announced that are going to be coming out any day now. Yes. Checking in with all of the things that will certainly happen. Yes.

A guy who has never, ever broken any laws. That's for sure. LIAM Can you imagine Elon not delivering a project? I can't, I can't, I can't imagine that. ALICE He's so reliable. LIAM Yeah, he is the king of project management. ZACH Do you think when he goes to jail for doing like Tammany Hall boss tweet vote buying buying that he's gonna like start a company from

jail where he reinvents the prison shiv. Oh he'll become like the guys in Goodfellas. He'll make the prison dinner each day. Johnny Dio was on the Huel. He couldn't get the shaker in so he had to do it in a cup. It just tastes awful. What's the South African equivalent of garlic and shaving it really thin with the razor blade? I don't know.

You get the built on really thin. Yeah, some very, very thin burbles. Yeah, we're going to get to all of that. We're going to get to his recent sort of political chicanery, his cool new van, his cool new robot that I'm sure is not just a guy, and all of that fun stuff. If we have time, there is a report that was done by the Resolution Foundation, which was like a sort of social good charity. It was like CEO became a labor MP and has just written a report that I would describe the opposite of Well There's Your Problem, which is train bad, car good, but for decarbonization. I saw that one and was infuriated by it. Perfect.

Yeah, that's why I picked it. Here's a health to the resolution. The resolution foundation brought you in stunning 144p. They are putting the car in decarbonisation. Yes. Very pixelated report I'm currently reading. I was so mad. I bet this says some dumb nonsense. I can't read it. It's in binary.

That's how they get you. You just write really dumb shit, but then you make it illegible. So no one knows how dumb the shit you wrote is. Haldeman was actually a very stupid man, but no one knows this. He couldn't even speak. They used to have to do that by photocopying it 45 times. Now you can do it with computers. It's amazing.

Did any of you ever know about those services where like back when people used to be like handing stuff in to university by email You could like corrupt a word document and then submit a blank corrupt word document Yeah, we can start a think tank that does that like oh, I know our policy on fuel subsidy paper is supposed to be out today But the file was corrupted. I guess I'll have to hand it in on Monday. Listen, listen Henry. I've hired a man of subnormal intelligence, but he's completely inaudible. The Chinese find it intimidating. News time. So as you know, I love reading about stuff that Saudi Arabia does to try to make its economy normal.

Which they're going to manage any day now, along with Elon releasing all of that stuff. Oh yeah, absolutely. Like, we are going to be eating like one new Maraba cube full of crow when a self-driving Tesla takes us from Neon, which is not a nub, all the way to Oxygon. I've got some actual, I'm being handed a bulletin here. There is some more bad news about the public investment fund. Oh no. Oh no. Have they discovered a black hole in the budget five times larger than they previously thought?

Saudi Rachel Reeves is a fantastic bit. She's got the hairdress on, but the shape of the hair is very evident under it. Well, she also did just die at Ginger recently So that does sort of suggest at least an interest in Wahhabism. Saudi Rachel Reeves standing in the background as her husband reads her statement about the economy. Just Keir Starmer with an inexplicably new hennaed beard coming out. Yeah.

We're going to be doing the sword dance of all four nations. How long should the light be? In a bid to explain the scale of the massive project he's overseeing in Riyadh, this is from the Financial Times, Jerry Insorello points through his office window at a forest of cranes towering over a construction site. The New Yorker, a veteran of the hospitality industry, is now chief executive of a $65 billion Duryah Gate project. I only have to note here that this is a guy who definitely was paid a visit

by Edward Caban. Or Edward Caban's twin brother. The NYPD. Yeah, 100%. Listen to No God's No Mez if you wanna get that reference. But yeah, this is certainly someone who has been either threatened, bribed, or both by the office of Eric Adams. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, my name's Joey Inzarella, In the ancient Italy, my family invented the rebellion. Before that, all you could do was vote. Everyone in Italy was Democrat back in the day. Listen, voting for Cesare Borgia is harm reduction. Do you want to Medici in the fucking Duomo? Yeah, they're electing a tribune of the plebs and all I can do is vote for Amy Klobuchar. I don't understand. I'm fucking throwing my vote away here. I want to vote for the Grak guy or Mark Antony or someone. They will be running about a hundred years apart,

but let's not worry about that. I love this shit of like, if you do not vote for the Borscht, then you just want the Medici to win. He's electable if you vote for her. Yeah. The Crutcher Borsia, electable if you vote for her. Yeah. What are you talking about? I voted for Francisco Sforza. Like the kind of Jill Stein of Northern Italy.

Okay. And Francisco Sforza is a lot of things. A Jill Stein equivalent. I do not think he is. Yeah. He's going to sue you lot of things. A Jill Stein equivalent. I do not think he is. Yeah, he's going to sue you for saying he's like Jill Stein. Sort of an RFK then, I guess.

Well, I'd imagine him more like a libertarian candidate just because he basically did just lead a mercenary army, find a city and just say, this is my city now. The Marianne Williamson of Northern Italy. We gotta, we gotta get on the like Northern Italy, like a sort of Renaissance political maps, you know, 270 city states to win. Yeah. Yeah. I believe Da Vinci would be the Elon Musk equivalents. He keeps doing this stupid fucking star job. Mr. Never gonna fly. He keeps saying that humanity has to become intercontinental. What does that mean?

What the hell do you mean, occupy the Indies? Where even is that? Yeah, exactly. He's flying around in his little screw propeller. Bringing in Pete Buttigieg to the Borgia Corps. I suppose that the Marianne Williamson would be like, what, sort of like, Alexander II, like a pope who really believed in it? I really love how this podcast is just turning into, like, what historical bits occur to

us on a given day, and I know this is largely my fault, but I'm still very glad. The guy whose family invented the rebellion. The guy who invented what, the Callans of January in Rome. Yeah, the family name was Inserezione, but they changed it to Ellis Island. And something about Pope Sixtus V, I don't know any of these people. Pope Sixtus V would be a fun pope. He'd be like, uh, get it? Yeah, he was on the O-line for the Avignon Popes. You met my good friend, Tony Rebellion-Miglis. No, sorry. Okay, alright.

Avignon Pope's special teams unit. I'm a kicker with the Avignon Popes. I actually, I'm just a cardinal, but they've elevated me because I have said I'm so good at converting field goal. Yeah, no, there's a guy out there like spreading incense before the kick, you know? Okay, that's just Warhammer 40,000. Alright, I'm reading this news item. Do your best. So Joey Insurrection is chief executive of this like big construction project in Riyadh.

He's the next guy to get bone-sword if the shit doesn't go to plan. Well, some of what he's saying, this is the next thing he says, which is the most please don't bone-sarmy sentence I've ever read. The Crown Prince is saying we're in a new phase, and the new phase is, okay, we're in good shape everybody, but we have to now be mindful of how we're spending, just in case. Very mindful, very demure. So like, what they're saying essentially, is money is now real. Yeah. Wow.

We recognize, and I say this brandishing a bone saw, we recognize that previously you've been pissing a vast amount of the kingdom's money up a wall to no ostensible result. We have now entered a new phase of your limbs stay attached if you do some fucking work. Yeah, well, it's the, we were in a phase of you were pissing the kingdom's money up a wall with no tangible result, and we're not gonna say- That's our job.

Yeah, we're not gonna say whose idea it was to do that. We assume the Bonesawed guy. He did that. Let's just say, you know, my name is Joey Insurrection, it's not Joey Truncation. Joey Dislocation. We assume this is all the fault of the guy who left his car at the airport parked horizontally across three spaces with all four doors open. Alarm just still going.

The meter's running. Yeah, just much later it just slowly runs out of gas. So it says, so there's not anything remotely close to an austerity program happening here. I want to be clear about that. Sure. This is not austerity. The Saudi government is not doing austerity to its own mega projects. Trust me. Value engineering is fine.

Sometimes it's fine to do some value engineering. All right. You want to do, you want to do austerity. You're going to have to call in Tony Possimonial. Okay, that guy. Now that guy's thrifty. It's not austerity. We're just spending less money.

Well, that's, that is the next sentence. It says we have to be on our KPIs and deliverables because there's no error margin. We have to spend the kingdom's money responsibly. This like the guys they've hired to build bridges to the moon in Saudi Arabia are talking like Rachel Reeves now. Yeah. What if we built a shoestring to the moon? I think it's impressive that they they to get people into the country with the free

money glitch, who managed to spend money faster than the free money glitch allows. So Public Investment Fund Insider says that the fund is coming under pressure from the government to demonstrate returns. It's MBS standing outside with a very threatening boombox. No, it's choose your next words carefully. Say very little. Yeah. Say as little as possible. It's a very fine line between being a private investment fund insider and being inside a

suitcase. I'm just a crown prince standing in front of an architect telling him to get his shit together or he will be walking backwards out of the nearest embassy. The insider goes on to say, we don't have unlimited money. Oops, this was all predicated on unlimited money. Uh oh. But we used to. That's what's crazy for them.

It's like in any other government saying we don't have unlimited money would be like an obvious truism. But for the Saudis, this is genuinely a new state of affairs. They're having to reckon with conceptually. It's hard. After the oil price went down, everybody started getting whacked. Exactly. They're in a kind of arrested development type situation.

MBS is like Michael Bluth that he's trying to like stop Lucille from spending all of the money that they don't have. Michael Bluth but with a bone saw, crucially. Yeah, Michael Bluth Salmon. All right, early contender for the episode title right there. I also don't know where the banana stand is, so you know, that's a big problem. They made it very long. Ultimately, we are confident that Vision 2030 is on the right track, but we just need to fine tune things a little bit, which is hardly a surprise given the phenomenal nature of this structural transformation. But then what's really funny is I was looking at this elsewhere because Bloomberg's been doing a lot of reporting on the new Maraba and the Macabre recently.

I follow so closely because I'm obsessed with this stuff. Wait, they're building something called the macabre. That's a funny- You might not have been here for that one. Yeah, the macabre. The macabre means cube. Cube means a shape that's like a sort of quadrilateral three dimensions. You either build the macabre or what happens to you is going to be- Well, you either build the macabre or you leave and watch, basically. They're putting you in a smaller cube. As a quick reminder, the macabre is supposed to be one. Yeah. Basically. They're putting you in a smaller cube.

As a quick reminder, the macabre is supposed to be the world's biggest structure when it's done. It's a cube rather than a line, so they've invented some more dimensions. Inside it's going to be a skyscraper that has the usual, their usual Saudi blend of fine dining, shopping, entertainment. I like that they're doing like seventh century BC Greece from first principles. Like we've invented a line, now we're inventing a cube. And inside the cube will be draped with like screens so that when you wake up in one of

the many upscale hotels in the giant tower inside the cube. Wait, wait, wait, will there be dining options? Yeah, there will be dining options. And shopping. And then like one cultural venue. The second I was right, this wasn't a true Saudi project. The cube then is much like the S sphere in Las Vegas, except large. Yeah, the cube is, it's a similar premise to the sphere, but it's like a live work sphere.

It's like, what if the sphere was way bigger and then it had a skyscraper inside it that had dining, hotels, entertainment and shopping. Sort of an oncology type vibe, but for like, only to support the lives of like rich people in like, was this in Riyadh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think the key difference, and this probably cuts to the difference between the Saudi and the American mentality, is that the sphere exists to torment the people who live outside it, and the cube exists to torment the people who live inside it.

So you could go to sleep on Mars and wake up under the sea, basically. Terrible for anybody who has any kind of mental fragility at all. I'm getting the feeling that the Saudis are getting jealous of the Egyptians. They look at the pyramids and they're like, oh my God, what do we do? Look, we can do shapes too. We have shapes. That's not an unfair analysis of what's happening because it is like, obviously the broader context of this is like Saudi trying to sort of assert its dominance in a very kind of fragile and tumultuous region. And the thing

that like, I mean, a lot of the sort of Emirati states have is the kind of a, what, what do we actually have to offer? And I imagine that like a lot of the Saudis kind of attempts to build this stuff quickly and to not really think about how is this going to work and how is like, how are you going to build you going to build basically a mini state from scratch, does sort of come with this idea of trying to prove themselves to be more than just the de facto place for the head of Islam because of where it is. To me it always sort of comes across as like, you want to sort of prove that you're more than just kind of a religious site with a bunch of malls attached, but you don't quite know what you want to offer. And so it just sort of feels as if like you're throwing a lot of stuff at the wall. None of it's

working. Getting very mad at it. There are a bunch of suitcases just lying around everywhere. You know, just trip over them. To what you're saying, right? We know, I think it's worth rehashing anytime we talk about this, we know why Saudi is doing this, which is that they looked at Dubai, they see what Dubai became as a lost opportunity. But the problem is, they're too stupid and gullible to understand that what people actually liked about Dubai, what it did, and like that it basically just create and that it stepped in to in many ways be a kind of Switzerland of the Middle East. Yeah, to sort of like, transition from an oil based economy to like, whatever the various Gulf

states have done. So like Bahrain, Navy base, Qatar, TV station, and the UAE, particularly Dubai, Hype House. Hype House and also bank that won't disclose anything. And also in every bank you can get like some amazing fillers. I mean, also, you know, transitioning from an energy economy to a tourism economy always works great. Look at West Virginia. Yeah. The crown prince wishes to know why, why the Essex men with the veneers and the women with

the fake tits are not coming to Saudi Arabia. He demands answers. Why are the Russian influencers not here? Why I wanted to talk about this as well, this separate item on the Numeraba, is that apparently officials of Numeraba, along with those from the line, have been discussing challenges with supply chains costs and finding skilled workers as they increasingly compete with one another for these things. So we are very quickly going to get a kind of hunger game situation of like European square glasses guys desperately trying to meet their KPIs as they begin to

cannibalize one another's project. Okay. So actually, so Dubai is Middle East and Switzerland and actually Saudi is a Middle Eastern Russia. Like you've got MBS has created a system where everyone in charge of every different industry hates each other and they're in direct competition with one another. Basically, like this is a really good analogy, not least because if you ever look at any of the like diplomatic photo calls MBS does, he also does the Putin thing of like sitting in a room that is like 2.5 times larger than it needs to be. So he's like sitting sort of like 50 feet away from you for no reason at like a gold desk. So yeah, Putin vibes. Well, it's a cube.

True. Chief executive of New Maraba, not Jerry Enzarello, but Michael Dyke said, the inventor of the little street. Yeah. Do not confuse me with Michael Lesbian. Shout out to Michael Lesbians for inventing Lesbians. Thank you, Mike. with Michael Lesbian. Shout out to Michael Lesbians for inventing Lesbians. Thank you, Mike. Great guy, didn't I? Oh yeah. Down to earth.

You are very funny. It was just the BTQ plus community before that. And before that it was B&Q. Before that I think it was Woolworth. Mikey Pickham mix. We don't talk about him. He got in a lot of trouble. Michael Dike. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mikey Pick and Mix. We don't talk about him. He got in a lot of trouble.

Some guys, they filmed him in a Mark McDonald's car park. Whenever OAPs are like, oh, there was none of this like LGBTQ shit when I was a lad. They're right, because it was Woolworth's back then, and you could get Pick and Mix from it, but now due to a complex series of mergers and acquisitions. It's every queer person. Yeah. Queer person. Michael Dyke said, it's masquerading as a building today, the new Murabba and the Mokhab,

but it's actually so much more. It's a capital city the size of Riyadh deserves to have a global central icon as other capital cities do. And to which he might say- The size is Riyadh. It's like pretty small, right? Well, they're trying to turn it into like an alpha plus world city by just building

the biggest buildings they can think of there. And if you wanna, I think that actually Britain, we're cash strapped, right? I heard Rachel Reed. True, yeah. We should sell them our Anish Kapoor tower. Like the London- Oh yeah, the one that looks like a helter skelter.

The one that is a helter skelter actually. Yeah, they put a helter skelter on it and it costs 30 pounds to go down it. Awesome. That's pretty cool. We should sell that. What could be more London than a helter skelter? It costs 30 pounds to go down. But it was designed by Anish Kapoor and it looks terrible. Awesome. So this is, I think this is really fun. The projects are now competing with each other.

The girlies are fighting. Fun fact about that tower is it's actually my WhatsApp background. I took a picture in which it was the background in the picture I was taking and then I accidentally made it my WhatsApp background and I've never figured out how to change it. It's been my background, my WhatsApp chats for years, but it's like, you don't really notice it because in the background of every message you ever send, so it just starts to blend into nothingness for you. You have the power that everyone who lives near Stratford wants, which is the ability

to stop noticing the dumb tower. The dream of every architect is that your building does become the insta view, your background of your Instagram. So, So just know if you're WhatsApp and your texts are going down the Anish Kapoor Helter Skelter, but for free. I want to move on because we were going to spend 10 minutes on that. Before we go into Elon stuff, there has been an orb update. Everybody put down what you've been doing.

If you're listening to this and you're doing something, at the gym, you're doing the dishes. Stop. I'm on this and I'm doing something. I have to close like five tabs of Saudi royal palaces. This is an episode of Shapes. It's all shapes. It's very much very platoniconic solids I believe is the word.

Mmm. Look, you don't fucking... We have dealt with Cube. Cube is done. Now is the time of Orb. There has been an Orb update. Pythagoras. 3 ATBC.

That's triangles. I'm reading right now, because you're all being, you know, silly. You're not taking this seriously. I'm reading from an, because you're all being, you know, silly, not taking this seriously. I'm reading from an article about the orb. Okay. The orb has a new look. Okay. So number one, first of all.

You remember the old and busted shit tier orb for pets that you used to have, but you're still fucking with the like a gen one orb. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't even around. That's the version of an orb where it's like a green text. It's like, oh, it's not even iMessage. It's using an old orb. This is not the sphere.

That's the sphere. The orb is different. This is the world coin orb that verifies your humanity. This was the orb that would like, you know, it would be like yay big, like a basketball and it would like float around and it would like scan your face and be like, what's up? And also steal all of your data. Yeah, the orb has a new look.

And they were like evangelizing this in like various cities where they were like, you could be like an orb ambassador and you could order like a shitload of orbs and the orbs would just like be distributed around the city. Orb ambassador when orbs bids murders right there around the city. An orb ambassador when Orbsbuzzmood is right there. Maybe they wanted a gender neutral title. Also, ambassadorb, come on. Is that going apostrophe in it? The orb has a new look. Riley, are you okay?

The orb has a new look. It's running on a new chip set. It provides five times the AI performance for faster identity verification. So you would have one orb that would functionally be as good as five previous orbs. We made the orb five times as good. You could have been orbited by like five orbs like the fucking Overwatch Buddhist robot.

Five Dragon Balls in one Dragon Ball. Also the new orb, so you're all being, you think you're all stupid for making fun of the orb now, right? The new orb is easier to mass produce. It has fewer parts and it operates three times faster with five times, so it's as good as three orbs with five times the performance. There must be another bottleneck in it somewhere. Can you absorb in the orb?

And people will soon be able to verify their humanity using the orb at coffee shops. I'm always doing that. Is that end of list? At coffee shops? Yeah. That's the only place you can verify your identity. To be fair, people do love to go to those. Are you old enough to buy this coffee?

I mean, to be fair, this fits perfectly with Britain in like 2024. The only place where you can like do any governmental business is a black sheep coffee Usually I just tell the barista my name and he makes the coffee. I don't know why I need to be verified Yeah, but what the barista is terrible at judging whether or not you're a human Blade Runner style You know, it isn't terrible at that isn't all. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, they've also partnered with the soft bank backed Deliveroo for South America rapi So also when you order like a takeaway in South America, you can also get it with a side of orb. Great.

So you might be, especially if you're a new listener, you're feeling very alienated by this discussion. Maybe we should remind you what the orb is. Yeah, it's the thing. It's the basketball shaped thing that looks in your eyes and scans you. Donald Trump was there in Saudi Arabia, you know, I... Different orb, different orb.

It's a different orb, okay. It's a different orb, cut his mic, cut his mic. Different orb. Just to remind everybody, Sam Altman and another business partner of his, when they decided, okay, well, artificial general intelligence is obviously coming any minute now. It's going to take away every role that a human could have. We're going to need to keep people supported with like some kind of UBI or whatever so that they don't starve to death. However, because AGI is going to be so much more intelligent than us in any system that

we could possibly put together, we can't just have it done by social security numbers because how would you know who's a human and who's an AI? It's really, really funny to hype your own product by being like, it will outwit me instantly. Like, I'm making something that is gonna make me, like, gonna make me look as dumb as a toddler. I love that these guys have the same belief structure as like, Jehovah's Witnesses. They're like, the end of the world is gonna happen on Tuesday, and then it's Wednesday and they're like, okay, we were wrong this time, the end of the world is actually gonna be Monday morning. They look in this orb. Yeah. That's why we need the orb. Guys, they don't want me to celebrate my birthday. You're all going to be raptured into like

runescape or whatever the fuck it is that they want. I would genuinely respect the Jehovah's Witnesses a great deal more of that with their belief system. Yeah. That's like if you smushed them together with the AI guy. Yeah. You die, you get plugged into God's RuneScape server. Yeah, that's right. God's griefing me again. Yeah, Book of Job. God's been griefing us all for a while, let's get real. Why is God a big skeleton?

Basically, they said, okay, well what we're gonna have is we're gonna have a blockchain, but to get a wallet on the world coin blockchain, it's just called WorldDow because blockchains aren't cool. You're gonna need to verify your identity at an orb, which is not like proof of identity so much as proof of humanness attached to a crypto wallet. Okay, yeah, for sure. So like, if you want to like, do anything in this brave new world, you are going to have to have ordered like

from like you have to get a takeaway in South America. That's because regulators in the in like the global north keep saying to Sam Altman, please stop putting your orbs around. Yeah, because I remember they were going to try this in like Barcelona or some shit like that and then it just never panned out. Yeah, I've got a better idea. What if to get your social security U you'd be I payment or whatever. You just had to click which squares had traffic lights in them.

That seems to work pretty well. But it's like an endless thing. So it's like you click all the traffic lights and you then get more like click over the hill. And there are no hills. That's hell for Jehovah's Witnesses. Right. It's like if you if you lived a good life, you get to go to the RuneScape server.

But if you lived a bad life, you have a purgatorial existence of doing captures get to go to the RuneScape server. But if you lived a bad life, you have a purgatorial existence of doing captures. Until you get to play RuneScape. You've been captured. And you can't even get into the capture dimension without selecting all the squares that contain motorcycles. And there's always a bit overlapping, like the corner of one square, but it's like three pixels. And you're like, do I click that? Or you select it and then it's like, oh, no, those are mopeds and they're different things.

You're like, that's questionable. I just want my UBI. I hate AI. Bogged down in God's semantics. So basically World has it, they're called World now. Their new plan is they're in step three of their plan. Of course, step one of any good plan is develop the orb. Step two is build a distributed ownership network using blockchain, obviously connected

with the orb. Step three is the one that's all question marks. Step four is the last step is redistributing the benefits of artificial intelligence via the world blockchain to verified humans. But the third step is scale. We need more orbs. This is a quote from chief device officer Rich Healy said, we need more orbs. Rich Healy or Morbius, if you will.

He says, Rich Healy said, we need more orbs. A lot more orbs. Thousands more orbs than we have today. You might say that it's morbid time. These people went through an airport security line and were like, this is great. We should do this for everything. We morbidly morbies. We need more morbs. We just, everything should be orbs.

We need to do like a paperclip problem AI, but for making more fucking orbs. In order to do that, the world team needs to scan more eyeballs across the globe. And so they have their next generation. Leave my fucking eyeballs alone, you freaks. The startup promised everyone, including the reporters who were at TechCrunch, who were there, attending the live event would receive an orb to take home, though it's not immediately

clear how individuals would put it to use. When pressed for a more... Just floating around your house. Exactly. Like Guilty Spark from Halo. I've stuck a couple of googly eyes on it. It's just following me around. Now it thinks it's human. It's getting very confused.

So when asked if there were any more, let's say, immediate applications, the Tools for Humanity founder unveiled a program called Deep Face, an attempt to combat online deepfakes. Ah, okay. Okay, sure. So you say, like, this footage of me is not, it's like a deep fake because my orb has been following me around for like a year and knows I would never say any of those words. Orbs orbiting your head.

Constantly. Some of my best friends are orbs. So basically it would be like, oh, the idea would, and again, this is something that has not been thought through. An ally to the orb community. This is something that has not been thought through at all, clearly, because it would be like, oh, the idea would, and again, this is something that has not been thought through. From the orb community. This is something that has not been thought through at all, clearly, because it'd be like, oh yeah, well, if you're on a zoom call, you can verify that it's you because your zoom call will be connected to your world coin proof of personhood that you will have already

established. So you're like certified or approved to like transact or whatever. But then what, wouldn't an artificial general intelligence that's able to like, crack any system of social security to redirect UBI payments toward itself, wouldn't it just be able to figure out password 123 or admin or whatever? It's blindside again, right? But like, in the sense of like, I'm gonna invent something that is like 40 steps ahead of me at all times, however, I'm pretty certain I can outthink it.

Yeah, potentially. That this is why we need to, you know, we don't know the answers to these questions, that's why we need to build 500 nuclear power plants right now to redline graphics cards for months, and then we'll know the answer. Everyone else, you stick with oil and gas for now, and then we will come get you and hook you up to the giant nuclear fleet that we're building essentially to dig and fill in holes. How have I ended up in the future where I'm against building 500 nuclear power stations

right now? It's like they're so close to the thing we do need to do, but they're just doing it wrong. It's like, what monkeys paw have I wished upon? Where they're like, oh no, we could actually just like do the thing, but we're only going to do it to like, to like run the machine that makes the, like the fake women with the huge wet tits. Yep. We're in an economy where the most valuable thing to do is to directly generate entropy. It is entropic in the broader sense too, it's perfect.

Like, it's the fucking Thomas Pynchon short story. Hey, but at least now you can say, those aren't my big wet tits, because those are not verified by my orb. My orb knows what my big wet tits look like. You may find yourself in a beautiful house, with big wet tits! Do you mind stating yourself? Find yourself with a beautiful orb. big wet tits. Do you mind stating yourself? You find yourself with a beautiful orb. Yeah, I love my orb.

These are not my big wet tits. This is not my orb. That's why you have to have the suit so big. He's carrying all those orbs. Alright, alright, I want to move on. This was supposed to be 15 minutes of opening riffs and flimflams. And here we are, 2 thirds of the way through the episode,

only now getting to the Elon Musk. Oh, that guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I remember this. So this is a little context. In 2016, Elon Musk said during a press call that a Tesla vehicle would autonomously drive from Los

Angeles to New York by 2017. In 2019, it was said that Tesla would have a million robotaxis in the row by 2020. And then by 2022, he said 2023. And he didn't. And he said it again. Except he actually changes religion every time, but adopts the same principle. So, Elon Musk is now saying full self-driving Teslas are closer than ever, despite the fact that in the race

for autonomous vehicles actually working, I would say he's a distant fifth in that particular again, working very sort of big, big caveats and air quotes around that. The people closest to doing something that seems vaguely like driving is Waymo, Tesla not even fucking close, not nearby, not in the same ballpark, not in the same league. No, in fairness they have something called full self-driving. It's just somehow that's not actually full self-driving legally. It's neither full nor self nor driving. It's like modern standard Arabic. Well, the Holy Roman Empire. Musk, however, was not to be deterred. To announce the full self-driving and the new cars Tesla would release to

support a full self-driving world had an event called WeRobot creating a quote futuristic world at a studio lot in Burbank with photos, including a map that showed four separate areas that have been inside and assigned titles like Tesla theater, New York, metropolis and Westworld. Why are New York and Metropolis separate? Maybe Metropolis is the Fritz- it refers to the Fritz Lag movie, but what does New York refer to then? No, I'm thinking like, is there like, you know, one is New York and then the other one is like themed about or around like Baltimore or something. I don't know.

The real Metropolis. I'm more concerned about a guy building robots having a Westworld themed. Has he seen Westworld? He just watches stuff on TV and then says, I'm going to do that. Westworld. That's cool. I wish I had a Westworld. And then there you go.

Yeah. And much like the show Westworld, there's a lot of like guys involved. So the handout says that guests could visit the different areas for things like Texas barbecue, arcade games, and a block party complete with street performers. Again, I went to the Morgan Stanley fucking Reddit, man. Well, I went to read the Morgan Stanley analyst briefing note that was released several days after the Tesla event and the Morgan Stanley vibes report. Morgan Stanley. I would hate to have Morgan Stanley issue reports on the vibes of my afters, you know? Four people just sitting around a kitchen table until six AM.

Levels of ketamine were much lower than forecast. Considered to be sad. Troubling implications. So, Morgan Stanley called the event quote, disappointing, citing its lack of details. Oh, so much the same as the afters one. Receptacles for drinks were mixed at best. The amount of mixers on offer was lower than was forecast. It's only Texas barbecue, they really wanted some Carolina barbecue, you know.

Morgan Stanley analysts making themselves a gin and tonic in one of my, like, coffee mugs. Just being like, this is going in the fucking report. Drinking a gin and tonic out of the little washing machine liquid ball that you put in the drum. And like the write up of the report on Bloomberg, it would have said something like, in the Uber and then in parentheses, the ticker symbol for Uber up like 3% and parentheses, it was noted that there would be several, that there was a significant amount of liquor

as well as mixers. However, when analysts attended the afters, it was identified that only expired orange juice was on offer, and it actually belonged to an associate, flatmate associate of our friend. I love when I plant these little land mines that I know are gonna be in your head specifically for the next two weeks, Riley, of like the Morgan Stanley vibes report. You have done so again. This is going to be, this is going to be a Mesoamerican ball game for me. It's a Mesoamerican ball game of two halves. You know, they had us in the first half of the American fantasy ball game. Morgan Stanley vibes report sounds like an Instagram meme page. It definitely has that sort of thing. Like's very much like a junior analyst starter pack.

It's like a picture of like Gucci loafers and like a junior analyst in New York, maybe, but not here. Yeah. Getting incredibly sued for selling a Morgan Stanley vibes report team t-shirt. Oh God. Now we have to make the Morgan Stanley vibes report t-shirt. Oh God. Now we have to make the Morgan Stanley vibes report t-shirt actually invest in an index fund that tracks the Morgan Stanley vibes report. Um, I actually work at a small hedge fund with trade on European vibes and vibe

derivatives. It might be the only thing that brings back the house party, right? Cause the house party is dead. Maybe if there was a sort of like objective report, then yeah, maybe. I mean, isn't Morgan Stanley already pissed at Elon because he has cost them all of their bonuses in the New York office. I believe so. We only know that for sure about Barclays, but we have to assume that Morgan Stanley is structured a similar way. So yes, anytime Elon does something dumb regarding Twitter, it costs a lot of M&A guys a lot of money. So all of these guys are sitting there thinking, well the Texas barbecue is pretty good. On

the other hand, he did cost me $200,000 a quarter. Yeah, way more than that. They're flying first rather than private now because of this guy. We've got to fix the vibes, folks. Hundreds of thousands of people's retirements are depending on this. So to say nothing of those invested in the ARK ETF, but Dan O'Dowd, CEO of Green Hill Software, another trading firm, and a vocal skeptic of Tesla's autonomous driving efforts, said that the demonstration looked like, quote,

a 1950s Disneyland ride rather than the future of transportation. Quote, Elon Musk is trying to compete in the Tour de France on a tricycle He said in an email note So Roz let's talk about this the two new cars released we'll get to optimus in a moment We're the cyber cab and the cyber van and I don't think you're a big fan of either of them, right? Oh, I I only saw the one the robo van. I think he called, no Elon specifically called it a Roboven.

Talking my Roboven in Hoboken. Yes exactly so the Roboven looks like every single other autonomous you know transit vehicle that anyone's built in the past decade or so none of them have worked they all are pretty low speed it's it's like all these people were like they took a ride on the air train at Newark Airport You know which is uncommonly small for an airport people mover and they were like damn What if we could have this everywhere all the time for everyone, you know, but it's it's I mean it has this sort of weird like retro styling it has like, you know, it's clearly an unserious vehicle because, you know, there's skirts over the wheels. That's always terrible for maintenance.

One speed bump, one speed bump, and it is just gone. Snow, any amount of snow. I don't think Elon knows what snow is, based on the rest of his cars. I'm reminded of that one electric vehicle company we talked about where they had motors on the individual wheels closer to the wheels the axle It was another one that set up and then failed. It's gone now Okay, yeah, no Rivian was that guy on the X-Factor? Motors Lordstown Motors did that were again if it goes over a bump, then it would stop working Yes, please carry on. Yeah, I mean, you know as with most of these things

It's very low capacity per vehicle There were like renders of the thing being used as like a school bus which putting people who hate their children Yeah, like putting eight unsupervised kids into a locked box for 30 minutes. Nothing bad's gonna happen there into a locked box for 30 minutes. Nothing bad's going to happen there. Getting a sort of micro hunger games on the way to school. Yeah, it's sort of a Lord of the Flies situation at that point. Van of the Flies. I was raised in the crucible, the crucible environment of the Roboven.

It taught me my strength. So the other thing about the Roboven is, as you say, it is a big box with no option to control it from inside. It is, it has couch, a white interior and couches that face one another. It looks like something Adam Driver would have in Megalopolis, that he would drive to the club. The thing is, right, this, the kind of aesthetic of it is better than the Cybertruck, that's

not difficult, but it still is. This is true. You have to work pretty hard to get me to dislike a van, and yet he still manages, right? Even the Elon Musk of like 10 years ago, right? Even the Elon Musk of five years ago when he was just annoying, I would be like, well, you know, whatever, file this with the Teslas in the sense of like, yeah, they'll probably kill you and they're very poorly made, but like, it's aesthetically, it's not offensive to me. Right. Whereas now

he's, he's like incinerated so much goodwill that I'm just like, Oh, this is the like dipshit van for cunts. Yeah. I see one of these and I'm keying it. Like you touch it flexibly. I'm not even like automatism kicks in. You know, it's like, you can't control it yet. You get alien hand syndrome. Going back to blind sight. It just, it just, it just tickles your parietal lobe in such a way that your hand is already up with your key out. Yeah. Even the nonces are ignoring the kids who get out of the robo and they're like, that is, that is sad. In that way, it's ultimately a great child protection. Yeah. Make an un-non-subtle child by making them so too cringed. Yeah. Too dusted. Oh no.

Sorry. I only molest kids with swag. Okay. So that's the Roboven. Um, but he's also announced the cyber cup. So he said the cybercups would be available to buy and cost less than $30,000 each. They're two Cedar cars that would work as a RoboTaxi service and that would be, they have full self-driving using cameras and that customers could call the RoboTaxi once and use it for as long as needed, whether a short trip or a full day. Niamh It's kind of the thing that he was ostensibly intending to do with Tesla early, to make luxury EVs and then wait for things to reduce in cost to the point that he can make the

Model T that anyone could buy or hire. Or you're gonna be able to buy your Tesla, because it can do full self-driving obviously when you're not using it, because cars are parked 93% of the time, send it off to do taxi work and then it'll come back to your office when you're done using it because cars are parked 93% of the time, send it off to do taxi work and then you know, it'll come back to your office and when you're done at work and the back seat will be covered in vomit and everything will be broken. I was going to say, yeah, across town, a guy is throwing up in the back of my car, but you'll have made like 35 bucks. Good luck finding some bits that I haven't thrown up on.

And the other funny thing is after this event, the company that produced Blade Runner 2049 has sued Tesla Motors for the car company's use of AI-generated images that were used in the presentation of its new Cybergun, and that was meant to place it in the Denis Villeneuve sci-fi film. Alcon, the production company, does not want the film associated with Tesla,

because Musk is basically personally so weird and off-footing. He says, quote, any prudent brand considering any Tesla partnership has to take Musk's massively amplified highly politicized capricious and arbitrary behavior, which sometimes veers into hate speech into account. If as here a company or its principles do not actually agree with Musk's extreme political and social views, then a potential brand affiliation with Tesla is considered to be fraught. It's very funny because the Blade Runner 2049 film shows up a lot in like, in cell adjacent

films that you'll like. So I think it's very funny just to be like- But the production company is woke. Yeah. It turns out. Yeah, I haven't seen the film, but I guess the Ryan Gosling character with like the big giant hologram girlfriend is more normal than Elon Musk. Yeah, well if you are an in cell, you just kind of like spin the big wheel of which Ryan Gosling performance you're going to make your entire personality.

Yeah. Nobody, nobody really does, um, only God forgives, which is a real shame, I think. You know, I think, I think we see more swaggy incel. Incel who's really into the notebook. Like, when will I get my old demented trad wife? Like, when will a woman gradually remember me over the course of reading her a book for two hours? Women don't want to remember nice guys.

They only want to remember jobs. You're in her DMs. I'm in her memory. That's right. I'm in her old folks day room. Tesla is still of course full, so about full autonomy and won't work as a company unless it's achieved, Musk says. Uh-huh. Do you remember that thing from the biography of him

about how he plays poker? Right. How Elon Musk plays poker by doubling and tripling and quintupling down on every hand, losing all of his money and then just like going back for more money until everyone else is bored of playing with him or he wins. Oh my God. So he plays like, he plays like a C he's like a suicide guy. I used to do this like, I used to do this in monopoly.

You were the monopoly Elon Musk. Mr. Bond, have you ever played monopoly? Yeah. I just like burn through my cash really easily, like making these very dumb calls. And then I would like call the temper tantrum until someone like gave me some money so I could do it all over again. Blood trickling from my eye. Spiritually, I understand where he's coming from. Yeah. Yeah. So he's done this again, but with full self-driving where it's like I've bet

the entire company on this and the fact that I've lost every time. But Mr. Bond, you forget yourself. I own the water world. Of course, what's amusing about the way he plays poker is that's a roulette strategy that only works as a roulette strategy. Uh huh. But also, it's work before we get into the robot, the quote unquote robot, it turns out just a guy being piloted by, you know, someone else. Yeah, this was so funny because A, it looks like a guy in a suit. Last time it was a guy in a suit last time

It was a guy in a suit now. It's just a kind of like remotely operated type guy and The big showpiece thing was like it pouring a drink right and acting as a bartender and all of Elon's various like orbiters went They're like the fucking old god of the battle of Austerlitz at this point. Like two thirds of them are dead. Yeah. But his, his remaining, his surviving or this is a holding the ground of let's see a woke bartender with pronouns, uh, like slowly pour a beer into a glass that had already been filled with ice. As only remaining orbiters are, you know, people who are saying like, this bartender's not gonna maybe give its pronouns, if I get it to do my house cleaning as a South African, it won't vote ANC, stuff like this.

Oh, the insanely racist South African guy, yeah. No, come on, what? That doesn't even make any sense. I'm stuck on this concept of woke bartenders. Even the bartenders with good politics aren't woke. They're bartenders. It's like, cause they saw like one TikTok of like a pink head, they, them pouring drinks and they're like, I, I'm too scared to go to a bar now because there might be like a sort of person of war. Yes. I keep putting like pick and mix in my pint. I mean, to be fair, bars do be doing shit like that now.

According to Musk's statements of April of this year, the robot is expected to perform and begin performing useful tasks, most likely autonomously, though he didn't say by the end of this year, it could be available to the external market as early as 2025. This is also my Morgan Stanley Vibe's report. I am also expected to begin performing useful tasks around the end of this year. Musk promised that the robots could quote, do everything, including walking the dog, babysitting and mowing the lawn. But again, if we know that, let's just imagine.

Me sort of procrastinating on taking the garbage out. Well, you know, if you look at the report, I'm projected to start doing tasks like this by the end of the year. So there are two sort of versions of this, right? One is that they remain tele-operated, which means that all of- You have a Tesla employee, like five feet away with a remote control, sort of like doing everything that you want, being like, beep boop, no, I will never vote ANC. The robot is walking your dog and then the signal drops and it just stops, just holding

the dog just like in the middle of the road somewhere. Just a weird guy in a black zentai looking robot being like, it's like thick Afrikaans accent, I actually find the Democratic Alliance very compelling. Or it's in the middle of making a Long Island iced tea and the bottle is, you know, just inverted, and it's like, ooh, it's going to be a pretty strong one. But also, right. There are two situations you can imagine, right? Well, and let's assume that like it can be tele-operated from anywhere, which is of course the dream of Elon and sort of his political tendency is we

want people to do cheap labor for our dog walking, but we want to live. We never want to see a non-white person, which is basically a tele-operated humanoid robot is like, oh great, perfect. The person who does my dog walking can be a dog walker who walks dogs from home and lives in like, Costa Rica. Well he's trying to recreate the South Africa of the 90s, you know, like, tech way. The dystopian future of this, of like, someone in a basement in like, Kenya or fucking Uruguay or something with like, nine monitors, each of which is a different in Kenya or fucking Uruguay or something with like nine monitors,

each of which is a different person's dog walk. That's what they're going for here, I guess. Yeah, so that's one version of it being tele-operated. Or if it's not tele-operated and it is based on the same AI that is driving the Teslas, or not driving the Teslas as the case may be, that essentially it is akin to a large language model where it knows what its visual inputs are and what its distances from these things are and therefore, contextually, what actions it should take. But we know, of course, that all that does is create an averaging machine. Yeah, cheerily walking your dog into traffic. Yeah, exactly.

They made a short film about this. It was called Wallace and Gromit, the wrong trousers. Yeah, these things are going to kill more dogs than the Arizona police department. Yeah. Why does my Optimus robot have an ATF vest on? Why has it got a tank? How come my Optimus robot has the same badge that Nixon gave Elvis to fight the drug wars? They've built a robot to kill dogs, Henry. It's better than we could have imagined.

Inaudible. Can we get this guy over in Cambodia? Sounds of woofing heard on the tank. Send me in, Nixon. I want to kill the dogs. We don't need you anymore, Elvis. We've got a robot piloted by someone Elvis, we've got a robot. Piloted by someone in Venezuela. That's what we got, a robot. It's piloted by Batista's old bodyguard.

Pinochet's driving this robot. I think that this will be the biggest product of any kind ever, said Musk. Everyone's going to want their optimus buddy. You know who this, you know what Musk's increasingly reminding me of, anytime he does this hype thing is, um, do any of you remember the game developer Peter Molyneux? Oh, uh, is that the fable guy?

Yeah, the fable guy, the black and white guy, uh, the guy who I believe he's now doing something with NFTs because of Corsias. Um, like the guy who used to promise things like, oh, by the way, this, you know, this video game that we're making in like, you know, 2005 will fully be able to like, be your best friend. Oh, project Milo. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if you're listening to this, I think that was him too. For fuck's sake. Project Milo has been a success. You've never met me and yet I am your best friend. We've created one so far. We can make more.

I'm being piloted by guys in Saudi Arabia. You're being piloted by a guy in Saudi Arabia? Yeah, that's right. Oh God, he's deep cover. I'm Milo Bin Salman. I mean, in fairness, I have never seen you vote ANC. So is it like, is it like a sort of like Jared Butler in gamer situation where like a teenager in Saudi Arabia is piloting you? Maybe.

That's such a specific film to reference. It's so rarely the case that something is a Gerard Butler in gamer situation. Yeah. Certified Gerard Butler in gamer moment. Guy has only seen gamer with Gerard Butler. I feel like that actually... But actually, no. I have seen gamer with Gerald Butler. I feel like that actually, but actually no, I had no, I have seen some other Gerald, but at one point they all have Gerard Butler in this. This is more of a Gerard Butler and PSI love you situation. I have seen that.

Yeah. This is a classic. If incels picked one Gerard Butler role to mold their entire personality around, that would be a very different and I think much better world. Playing for keeps. This is just a classic Gerard Butler in plane situation in that I'm not good at flying planes. I know you're all, it's like it's like the most relevant and most likely General sir, there is a Gerard Butler in White House Down situation developing. And I am Gerard Butler and you are the president in White House Down type situation.

No, but he was in Olympus' Fulham. White House Down is the one with Jamie Foxx. If Gerard Butler is in White House Down, stuff's going very wrong. Yeah, Channing Tatum and Jamie Foxx. Is it Channing Tatum in White House Down stuff's going very wrong. Yeah, Channing Tatum and Jamie Foxx is a Channing Tatum in White House Down. Yeah Magic Mike situation is developing in this room because I've been hired. I hear there's a very special boy You've been a very naughty president sure thing off the Secret Service uniform is all Marilyn Monroe was trying to do. Yeah, Marilyn Monroe approaching JFK, bursting out of the cake and being like this.

It's a fucking Robert Carlyle in the full Monty moment. Secret Service guy swinging his tie around his head. And also we're under attack by North Korea. Yeah, I didn't believe it either. Might as well see some hard cock one last time. Any of those old adventure games, that's one of the things. I can't use these two objects together. I can't look at this hard cock right now. It's not time for me to do this.

I was so surprised that the North Koreans were attacking as well, but apparently it is a Chris Hemsworth in red dawn 2012 situation. Maybe. Perhaps. Yeah. I do also do think it's quite funny to reference like good actors or like good-ish actors by the worst film that they've been in. And I do try to do that.

Sorry. And also Gerard Butler. Are we saying Gerard Butler is a good actor? Look, I'm not saying he's bad. I'm not saying he's good. I'm just saying he was in one film. It was called gamer. This is very apt to this particular moment. It's not something that should have lasted this long in terms of like a laughing session, but I'm going to let you do it. So you're saying this is a Nicholas Cage adaptation situation.

Yeah. That's a good movie. That's a good situation. I have a Gerard Butler story. Oh yeah. It's a, it's a Gerard Butler in the bar of my venue at the Edinburgh Fringe type situation. I didn't actually speak to him, but he was in the bar speaking to various people. And it turned out that he'd had a photo with the bouncer outside, who's a guy I'd been chatting to a bunch during the Fringe, who was from rural, tribal Pakistan and had moved to the UK. And he had already sent, he was like, oh, I've put the picture of me and Gerard Butler up as my WhatsApp story. All of my friends in Pakistan are going crazy for it. And then it's like, well, you have a window into like a different culture and like Gerard Butler is genuinely the biggest celebrity.

They've all seen the film gamer. They love the movie gamer. For the 2% of trash feature listeners in like Pakistan, like, well, I appreciate you listening because clearly like my co-host is don't. Oh my gosh. You live in the ethnically Pashtun part of Pakistan and you love the movie Gamer. This could be the podcast for you. Yeah. They're going to one of those really long hyper-targeted t-shirts.

Is this a Gerard Butler in the movie game. A title situation. I am being piloted by a boy in Western Pakistan. So don't fuck with me. The funniest version of that shirt is like I am being piloted by a member of the Hakani Network and I vote. But it would get you arrested immediately. Talk about being logged in.

But at least you're not voting for the ANC. I'm on the wide area Hakani Network. What were we talking about? It's a Morgan Freeman and Invictus moment. What were we talking about Elon Musk or something? This reminds me of when Gerard Butler was being piloted by that boy in the movie Gamer. I would like to tell you that Andy Dufresne was also being piloted by a boy in Western Pakistan, but sadly that would be a lie. Andy Dufresne was in a Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption situation.

The only man in Shawshank being piloted by a boy in Western Pakistan Elon Musk did a bunch of other stuff Elon Musk is gonna turn us all into ratatouilles, unfortunately Riley when we did the planning for this one You're like, oh be good to do this one cuz it's all stuff that we've been trying to talk about for weeks and somehow We've just never gotten to it, you know? But I'm really excited to like tick this one off the list, you know? Really inbox zero this shit.

Yeah, unfortunately it's a little bit of a Barry McGovern and waiting for Godot situation. It's a little bit of a Ryan O'Neil and Barry Lyndon situation. It's a Gerard Butler game remote. I love that. That was really fun. and Barry Lyndon situation. It's Gerard Butler in gamer mode. I love that. That was really fun. I enjoyed that a lot. It wasn't even supposed to be.

It was supposed to be a very general observation. Oh yeah, sure. In many ways, like, Gerard Butler in gamer is kind of the human condition, right? So I do want to say like two more things about Elon Musk. Oh, that's what we were talking about, right? Yeah. Yeah. Number one, moving on from the robots, the moving on from Gerard Butler and Gamer. For now. The Gerard butlers who are all in Gamer,

who are running around the Elon Musk We-Robot event. We're the Gerard butlers in Gamer, you could not reference. Is that his political shenanigans also, which we alluded to at the top of the show, his like basically doing what appears to be like running numbers for getting people registered to vote is so funny that he's like, yeah, like not, not to be like Elon Musk will surely be arrested for this one because we predicted falsely his demise in many, many, many occasions. Like his bone sawing, for example. It didn't happen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Tim Apple did not like take him out behind the woodshed, which is, you know, fucking get it together, man. But like Elon Musk is like committing electoral crimes. Appears to be. He appears to be. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

How about this? It is being argued by some professors of like electoral law that what he is doing is Really say it's a it's a prosecutor in miracle on 34th Street Some people are suggesting once you have a pack you can just basically do anything. There's no laws But you know, I have no idea if this is legal or not I'm just wondering, you know, why aren't we starting up a racket here? Get people registered to vote, get $46 or $47 or whatever it is. You know, this is, you could easily, you could make a lot of money for cheap. You could steal Elon's money.

Get out the vote for like, for Jill Stein. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean, it's just registering to vote. It doesn't tell you who to vote for. So, that is also illegal. To pay people to register to vote. That's an illegal thing.

But then the ambiguity is, is he paying to register people to vote because it's actually just a petition that pledges that they'll register to vote. It's similar. It's murky enough that it's just it's like it's definitely. What is it? What's the word? Justiciable. It's what he's doing is at least justiciable. This is my real question is and is anyone actually getting paid? Yeah He handed one guy a like million dollar novelty because that's gonna be the real question is that okay?

He said he'd pay you however many dollars to register to vote But then what if he doesn't pay you if you register to vote you get entered into a lottery and then one person a day Wins the lottery basically and you have to register to vote in a swing state, which again is like, if you were a judge looking at that, you wouldn't be like, oh, he's doing all of these clever tricks to get around the fact that it looks like he's bribing people to register to vote. But the problem is that's not how the law works. We remember that. Oh, I can't get him.

He used too many loopholes. Yeah, but that's not how the law works. That's not how the law works. If a judge is like, no, you're clearly doing that, then that's that will just go ahead then. You can't like trick the law in that way. I'm reminded of the time that Lawrence Fox was like, ah, I see people are saying that something I've said that seems racist seems racist. That is baseless because all allegations of racism, unless they're about racism against white people are by their very nature baseless. I can now make baseless because all allegations of racism, unless they're about racism against white people, are by their very nature baseless.

I can now make baseless accusations, you're all pedophiles, and he was sued like a dozen times or whatever. You know? Yeah, he got like the kind of kill streak, but for losing libel suits, which is really funny. Having a certified Lawrence Fox in Lewis moment. You can call in an AC-1 first on the fucking libel call.

Yeah. Get Elon for false advertising, I thought they gave the $47 to everyone. Yeah, that's neither here nor there, but it very clearly appears that what he has done is come up with this idea himself, consulted his lawyer who quit years ago. Yeah, but imagine being Elon Musk's lawyer, right? Like that's a real like, um, Joe Pesci and my cousin Vinnie. Sort of a, definitely, definitely an unpleasant job, I mean.

You have a lot of work. You're gonna be taking the first robovan out of there. You give him whatever advice you give him and then he ignores it. Like you would have to be like, one of the worst lawyers and also like, desperate for continued employment to get. Does that one Dershowitz represent you? Dershowitz My client is a... he's an eccentric billionaire, and he has a long standing love of two things. Petitions and lotteries. Now, why should it

be illegal for a man of such peculiar means to indulge his love of both of these facets of our great culture in concert with one another, your honor. All I ask the court is, is it really a crime to run your own lottery? Your honor, you weren't even there. Your honor, this is a certified Mr. Smith Goes to Washington moment, I'll have you know. This whole damn system is Jack Nicholson and a few good men. If Dale Winton can run his own lottery, why, why should Elon Musk not be on it? Dale Winton in that accent. A combination that never occurs.

So have you ever seen In It To Win It? They broadcast it before the main national lottery and thunderball draws. You may be familiar. It is a quiz show for the simple minded, sir. If it pleases the court, I will show a simple clip now. That simple country lawyer has been English the whole time. It's just people get thrown off by the accent, but he actually knows what like supermarket sweep was. I was in a coma after after a terrible No, what is what this is what this is this is just a very specific hard for true accent There's one town in hard for true. They also just outside. That's where they got it from Yeah, never seen Michael Barrymore's my kind of music

This is the last thing I want to say about Elon before we close the show, is that what he gets for going in so hard for Trump is that we all know that Elon's main interlocutor in every form of his life in business is the government. He wants to sell to the government. He's always getting sued by the government. He's a government regulators are constantly telling him to do things and he wants to be put into a position where he gets to be his own counterparty for like every SpaceX transaction or like any time. Like vertical integration. It's why Trump was trying to give him the like sort of innovation

czar job. Yeah. That's what I love about the government. They keep suing me. They keep giving me the contracts to help me pay the lawyers to fight the lawsuits. My lawyer from that one town in Hartfordshire. A different town. Of course he's called, of course it's like, it's like, oh, what, what if, what are we going to call it? The department for government efficiency. It's Doge. We're calling it the Doge department.

Fucking sucks. Yeah. Cause it's run by that old Venetian guy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know. They have the whole palace and everything. That'll actually be pretty nice. I think they should, they got a couple spaces left open on the mall still, so the National Mall, so they should build the Doge's palace there. Now remember, voting for Jill Stein for Doge is throwing your vote away. If you want the progress of Venice, you've got to vote blue down the ticket for Doge.

You have to choose by lot and then have that chosen number of people randomly reduced down the ticket all the way. Yeah. I mean, that does sound kind of like the American electoral system. Yeah. That is the electoral college. Yeah. I would love to talk more about the Venetian electoral system because it's fascinating in its weirdness. But that might have to be another day. I'm noting we're well over time. So Roz, I want to thank you so much for coming and hanging out with us today. It was a certified Justin Rosniak in having a nice time in a podcast moment. Yes. The Morgan Stanley vibes index is off the charts actually, yeah. Oh, you were sent here by Morgan Stanley. Like a mystery shopper.

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It's a great thing to wear on a date. Like your date can ask you where's the shirt from and you can explain everything about the shirt and the origins of it. And they'll think that it's really good and cool. And then you save a lot of time because you don't have to go on a second date with that person. Yeah, because they'll be so in love with you in the first one that you'll be married. And then you'll be inviting us to your wedding. Yeah. It'll be a certified Billy Crystal in when Harry met Sally moment. So the other shirt is of course another one that will make people look at you and go, what? That's the brand. That's the brand position. It is a Venice banished to the lagoon shirt. My favorite feature of it is it features the actual flag

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for last show. Just a bunch of our fans showing up shirtless to a live show in November. Brutal. Frostbite casualties. All oiled up, extremely buff. Actually, that's not terrible. A guy's like naked torso sat next to each other with like podcast written across their chest. Okay. Standing up and like waving a trash chute to Scott. All right. Here's, okay. Official request at our next live show. I want more live sports style silliness. I want that kind of thing.

Bring a sign. You have six friends who are willing to bear torso. If you have a foam finger that says podcast on it, I want you to wear it. I want to see all kinds of live sports silliness at our next podcast, please. Okay. All right. The Patreon, you already know about it. I mentioned it earlier when I said about the shirts. Milo, you're going up and down the country, you've been sent to a bunch of cities, I'm frankly surprised to see you doing.

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