TRASHFUTURE - Operation Clippy

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could have nuclear-powered data centres sucking up all the information about everyone ever, with easily-ignorable caveats for ‘protecting’ ‘American’ ‘citizens’ rights.’ Wouldn’t it be nice they fueled AI that will definitely work. Wouldn’t it be nice to be a roving constituency MP going on evening walks and sucker-punching your constituents? What if we told you… all of this can be yours? *T-SHIRT ALERT* Two new t-shirt designs—Avignon Popes and Banished to the Lagoon—are available for pre-order on our website. Get them here!  *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s UK Tour here: https://miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

I'm depending on you all having seen the Mike Amesbury fight video. Of course, but not because of any interest in politics, it's because I watch fight videos on X the Everything app religiously. And so like, obviously when, when that popped into my favorite, like reprehensible fight aggregator, uh, Twitter account, I was like, holy shit, is that the MP for runken? Fight aggregator, isn't that just Wetherspoon? We can recreate them in the aggregate. Yeah, that's right. Money fight.

Wait, that's just like boxing? I invented a new sport, it's called money fight. Yeah. Whenever you throw money at each other, like Scrooge the Duck. Mr. Beast will be debuting this in a week's time. No, money fight in the sense of not relying on having an especially hard guy in your group when you're on a night out in Stoke-on-Trent, but that there being a kind of average level of scrappiness amongst the group of lads that makes you an intimidating prospect, but one which goes under the radar.

People underestimate your abilities in a scrap. Me and my friend group are very much the Oakland Athletics of this all bar one. It's like a numbers wise manager put you together by going against conventional wisdom. Exactly. Yeah. When Gaz was put in charge of the Newcastle under Lime Scrappers, they seemed like a rag tag bunch, but with a simple method of arming them with pint glasses, he found they could perform at an above average level.

Wait, the invention of glassing? That's like the nightmare. Hahaha! Doing pub fights, Saber Metrics, you've just got like 50 Excel spreadsheets open all the time? Well, this guy's glassings per minute is like, you know, it doesn't look great at first, but if you really drill down into the data you can see he's got potential. So what's interesting is he doesn't hit very hard, but that doesn't break the glass, and he gets more punches per minute.

What's less important is how many punches he throws and how accurate those punches are. That has better predictability for how many geezers he'll knock out. We've been looking at the wrong data. And now the Trash Feature Podcast presents a hidden tape from the Nixon collection that was released recently. Haldeman, you've got to stop. I'm going to not. Richard Nixon begins by saying, who gave us this Tony Hinchcliffe character? I was told

he's to fire up the crowd in Peoria with some abusing racial remarks about the Puerto Ricans. But I met him this afternoon. What is he? Some kind of a expletive homosexual vaudeville act? What the expletive is he some kind of a expletive homosexual vaudeville act? What the expletive is he doing on my campaign?" H.R. Haldeman replied. He's popular with shut-ins mainly. John Mitchell's boy likes him on the radio. John Mitchell made the connection. And as to, no, he's not. Or at least we don't believe he's an out and out Mary. He's married. He has a wife. The president replied, I don't care if he's in a lavender marriage. Don't ever bring him around here again My god that pansy Arthur Schlesinger is gonna eat us alive for this one What's the what's the expletive point of it having an imperial presidency if we got to put up with these people?

Welcome to TF the podcast with two introductions. It is Riley's November favorite introduction at the website. Yeah. Guess, guess which host of Trashfuture has been thinking about Richard Nixon all day. Me, I was masturbating. He's a sexy man. Yeah. I w we haven't actually decided the name for our kids just yet, but it was on a, it is

now on a short list. So Richard Nixon, Richard Nixon, cause funny like a coast of our kid born in 2001. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Richard Nixon. Cause funny one word.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Chinese dengists, a lot of them named their children Richard Nixon. Uh, Hussein, this is one of your final episodes before you take a little bit of time off.

It may be the final one. It may be the second to final one. Uh, well yeah, we'll wait and see. Maybe the baby will make a, uh, make a cameo at some point before January, depending on how December goes. We'll see how it goes. Ultimately, ultimately the kind of retirement plan for us is we all have kids or like between us enough kids that we just, the podcast descends to them.

Yeah. We do. We're going to do Nepo baby stuff before this and they're still going to do the same bits and trash the next generation. Uh, yeah. Like this, like Degrassi. You should think of it as less Hussain taking a hiatus from the podcast so much as he's going Haldeman mode by becoming increasingly inaudible. I'd like to add, H.R. Haldeman was a lot of strange things other than just hard to hear. Really? One of Richard Nixon's orbiters was a weird guy.

But his inaudibility masked so many of them, thus proving me hatchet. Better to shut up and be thought a weirdo than open your mouth. Although I gotta say, I do think it's very funny that like, people who work for Kamala Harris, we're not going to talk about this that much, but I do think it's very funny that people who work for Kamala Harris are now going to have to like, find out who Big J. Ockerson is for opposition research. Like to me that's very amusing. It's just that the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards podcasters having a really outsized impact on election.

Every time. Every time. It's never the podcaster that you want, you know. It's the podcaster who orbited Joe Rogan and now kind of like psychologically tortures stand up comedians by making them drive to Austin and sleep in their cars before like, you know, auditioning for him in a really creepy sort of way. Yeah, absolutely. And you know what?

It's like, where do all of these people come from in Trump world? Just like having to explain to Kamala Harris, right, who is an evil but like quite serious politician. Having to explain to Kamala Harris, who is an evil but quite serious politician, yes ma'am this guy was loosely associated with a podcast called Legion of Skanks. The Royal British Legion of Skanks. Is that anything? Where's your skank poppy? She goes onto the wrong podcast and it's just talking to one of those British podcasts that's

just sort of about soap operas. Well, I can tie this back together, right? Because Trump went on, on Joe Rogan, right? This is what this has all been building to. And I was trying to think about who the equivalent of Joe Rogan in Richard Nixon's day was for him going on Joe Rogan being like, uh, no, I was never schmuck DMT. What the fuck accent was that? I have this. How about I try it? How about I try it?

Yeah, please, please edit that out and replace it with Riley. No, Joe. I haven't. I haven't tried the spirit molecule. I think it's dangerous. Yeah. And so I was thinking about this and I came to the conclusion that that is just Frost Nixon. David Frost was the Joe Rogan of his day. Yeah, we have already seen FrostNixon, and it's unfortunately, it's a podcast. I want to talk a little bit about the UK though, because... We have to. I know. We do. Well, no, because something fun happened, which is I love it when MPs get fighty. And the MP for Rönkern has appeared on November's Fight Aggregator Twitter.

Yeah, my world star vertical column that I keep in tweet deck, running all the time on my second monitor. Just in case I need to pick me up, I can look at some content of people fighting each other. And so I happened to see one of Keir Starmer's Slaytive like highly qualified, eminently selectable and electable candidates, just straight up haul off and sucker punch a guy in the street in a sort of like regional town center in the middle of the night, and then start punching him some more while he was on the ground, and then get pulled off him, start punching him some more while he was on the ground and then get pulled off him. While a bunch of kind of screaming women like vaguely held him back and he kind of

was really funny about this was he invented his own like post hoc justification for having hit the guy by as he was being pulled away going and you'll never threaten me the MP for runcorn again. Which is a good warning because I like to threaten the MP for runcorn regularly, and so it's important. It's like a cop shouting, stop resisting to cover the police brutality, you know, to be like, stop threatening me. Stop threatening the MP for runcorn. MP is sa- he's the MP for Worldstar. MP safety is so important.

Well, I mean, for instance, that guy, you know, his face did a lot of damage to the MP's fist. So, you know, we've got to start thinking about these things. Yeah. What I love is, as you say, number one, the soberest anyone has ever been is the official TF position on Mike Ames parade. I think we can legally say that this guy was good to drive. Yep. The most legal to drive, sober as a judge, MP, wandering by himself at night around the town, and then having a discussion with someone that ends in a, I guess, this guy rapidly face-butting his fist with his face.

I guess the thing is, right, until you get in the fight, that's gotta be a pretty fun experience to just be like plastered and walking around your own constituency late at night, feeling like... It's gotta be like the political equivalent of Bad Lieutenant. You're just like, yeah, I'm the fucking king of Runken. And then, then a guy mouths off to you. Yeah, then the people's joker shows up and you're fucked. But, but you have vanquished the constituents in single combat.

Second pledge become meaningless. Does they fight each other? Does they bite each other's wrists? I had a good Herzog in there, apparently. Are you referring specifically to Bad Lieutenant 2? Directed by Werner Herzog. Port of Call, Runcorn. It's one of my favorite sequels ever.

I think it's an amazing film. Yeah. Well, I think what we need to do is we get, need to get all the MPs into a money fight type scenario. Cause I think, you know, the MP for Runcorn, obviously he's winning his fights, but he could be winning them by more if he leverages simple data analysis. We're now at a, at a dividing time where we need to decide how are we going to take care of MP safety? Because obviously like Mike Amesbury was just walking around minding his own business sober as a judge. And so like there's nothing else we could do to like make him take more precautions. So I think either we need to like get MPs into like MMA or plausible. We could start

arming them. The phrase going for an MP's service weapon, like, immediately projects it into the forefront of my mind in like 12 foot tall golden letters. But in the tradition of British parliament, they should only be armed in like, Obstruce medieval ways, like crossbow, halberd, like, big mace. Jacob Rees-Mogg has bisected a constituent with the Ballista Bolt. Yeah, mounted on his penny farthing. Just like, let's see you say some shit to me once I finish loading my arbalest. Well, you see, the thing about the Ballista is it wasn't particularly combat offended. It was mostly intended to terrify the enemy and cause them to rout.

And that is much in the same way I employ it in my constituency is very rarely used in anger. Oh God, Marc François is coming and he's telling behind him a fifth century Chinese or early gunpowder artillery. But Marc François is dragonlots. Yeah, why is this artillery piece named the Richard Nixon? Yeah. Why is this artillery piece named the Richard Nixon? The other, I think, option for improving MP safety is of course, not every MP can be Mark Francois. You know, some of them are labor MPs. All of them wish they could. Many of them are labor MPs and they need to be protected differently. Now,

I was thinking maybe either some kind of a vac cube or an avalanche protection sphere that they could just deploy around themselves when they are faced with a threatening constituent in one of their traditional nighttime constituency walks. Yeah, that would be fun. If you try confronting your labor MP about the fact that he maybe like owns several like slum properties and like a children's home from which children have been going missing, then he simply gets into his like Zorbb. You know, from like, zorbing. Did anyone consider that he was going for like a mental health walk, and that the man

who confronted him was actually confronting his mental health, and therefore, he was defending his mind? You know, until the moment that he realized he might get in trouble for this, I bet his mental health was great after that. Oh yeah. Real morale booster. I think, yeah, we should give all MPs the avalanche protection backpacks where you pull a rip cord and then it inflates a giant sphere around you.

What from fucking tomorrow never dies? Yeah, it's a real thing. Is it? Yeah, it's a real thing. Fucking James Bond can't invent anything. Okay, fine. Yeah, that's right. But I think that could be fun. You know, you're like, Hey, Jazz Athwal, how come children keep going missing from the care home that you own? And then he could look around. He doesn't own it. He's just besties with the guy who does own it. And he rents it to him. Okay. They keep getting round house kicked by Mark Francois, but no one will report

on this. Yeah. That he could just pull the rip cord and then he could be encased in a safe protective bubble. Yeah. Speaking of where this is, um, what November you were mentioning earlier was, uh, Jazz Athwell, another squeaky clean candidate elected for a master party political media manager, Keir Starmer. Also, also Wes, Wes Streething's former boss, Because Wes Streething was under him in council, where his job, Wes's, was like, uh, child safety. This will be relevant. Oh, cool.

Because it transpires that, yes, Jas Athwal owned one of the many properties that he owns as a landlord. Some of them were just infested with mold and ants. This one was rented to a child care group, which then sold its services to Ilford Council. Mason- In a completely unconnected thing, Ilford Council spent like 500% more with this firm after that than they had done before. Jason- Well, because they had to find all those children. Expensive finding children. Jason- They're very small. They hide in small places.

Mason- Yeah, who's saying? I'm making notes right now, but my child may be vanished and be somewhere in Ilford. Doing Ilford Taken? I have a very particular set of skills. Mostly knowledge of the A12. It would be regular Liam Neeson, because Liam Neeson in Taken isn't French, right? The guys who take his daughter in Taken are like, weird Euro Trash French guys, so it would be those guys on the phone, to regular Liam Neeson, quaking in their Essex boots.

That's right! Quaking in their immaculate white trainers. Yeah, there you go. Pant legs stuck to their ankles. Long stream of piss down the inside of a pair of Calvin Klein jeans. A 2019 offset inspection of the home, which opened in 2013, reportedly mentioning bullying and intimidation, which led to children being stabbed. A September 2020-

What? Yeah, led to a child being stabbed. Huge escalation in that sentence alone. Like, oh, there's bullying, very, very bad. Intimidation, worse than that. Leading to getting worse. Still a child getting stabbed. Well, very simply that child shouldn't have threatened the MP for run calls. His hands are registered as lethal weapons. You mentioned the bull. You'll get the run calls. Yeah.

A child has been bludgeoned unconscious with a pair of nunchucks after interrupting the local MP on this 5am walk. The thing is, when the MPs are all first elected in the Commons Chamber, some of them get like guns and swords and stuff, but others just get like potlids. Yeah, it's like battle royale. I can't wait to like speak to, have to speak to my MP about something boring and procedural and get my head shorn off my shoulders by a Kusaragama. The one MP who gets poison.

He has to use like skull doggery to kill his enemy. He has to lure his constituents up to a delicious cake, you know, or like an apple that's suspiciously placed in front of them. Oh God. Okay. It's everyone on my street draws lots to go complain to our local MP about the number of potholes because he's the one guy that was given the Zanbatu horse killer sword. I tried parking outside the constituency, surgery, and he cut the front two thirds of my car. It sucks that I happened to live in the constituency.

They got the land mines this year. Incredible arms. He cut the front two thirds off. My car is such a fascinating way of phrasing that because it makes it sound like you were sat in the boot and observing helplessly as he calmly cut the front two thirds of the car off, leaving you sat harmlessly in the very rear. The other thing about this, right, tides of history moment, when the last time that your local representative was the guy who could swing the horse-killing

sword the hardest was like the early middle ages. We're going back. We're going back. Return the V to when your local representative to like central government also happened to be amazing with like a zwei hand turn. Yeah. Well, I think that's it should be like purge rules, right? If you want your MP to

do some casework for you, there should be one day a year where you're allowed to like engage him in single combat and if you win, he has to do whatever thing is you're bothered about whether it's something important or whether it's like, I don't like where my neighbor puts his bin. Like if you make him yield to you in single combat, he is duty bound to do it. Well, this is the thing, right? That's that swings and roundouts, okay, that's very useful to us, but there's also one day a year where we have to be Jeremy Corbyn's volunteer bodyguard from an army of the boldest men on the internet.

Yeah. Well, I personally can't wait for us to live in what? The constituency of Berserk. That's going to be great. Jazz Athol, just before we move on. He is, once again, appears to be involved somehow in some business that is actively harmful. Yeah, it's called being a landlord.

Well, indeed. He is the landlord of this commercial property that is used by a care group that is selling its services to the council at what appears to be a relatively high price, of which Jazz Athol was the leader. He appears also to have been like constantly talking on Facebook with the guy who runs the care home and once called him a Dawn according to the investment, uh, investment into the investigation, excuse me. And, but then of course, when called said, Oh, I don't know that person. And then when quoted lying in this news outlet, the Londoner, uh, his lawyer said, you shouldn't take seriously anything he said in the interview. Cause he was on the train and it was busy. ALICE Yeah, well he just hung up on them.

Cause he said like three times, yeah I don't know who runs this place, and then they said, is it the guy who you keep calling the Don on Facebook, and he hung up on them. They're all such shitty liars, it's so insulting to have enemies this stupid. It's like, oh I've been losing a chess for like three consecutive years to a dog. It's like, I've been losing a chess to someone who's not playing with a full complement of pieces because he's eaten both his bishops. This is who we sort of fought to get into these just immobile forever seats. The only thing we could say is that the next election is likely to be a wave election

because Starmer in this point of his premiership is now polling lower than Sunak was at the same point of his premiership. He polls worse right now than some diseases. He polls worse than Eric Adams. Amazing. He polls worse than the guy who everyone else in every level of government above him can't stop telling to resign and like has a can't buy a phone without getting seized by the police officers.

Eric Adams. He's polling worse than Eric Adams. He needs to take more Turkish Airlines flights. I keep saying this about honestly, if Keir Starmer was like doing some Turkish mafia stuff, I think his polling would go up. I think he would seem a bit cooler. He'd have a bit more mystique. He comes out with a skin fade.

Yeah. Comes back with veneers. The key thing about Turkish organized crime is all the cheap cosmetic surgery that gets him. He's like, he's stopped taking bribes off Lord Ali. And then he just comes back. He's got like the high pain, he's got a full set of veneers. He's got like, he's got hair plugs.

And then it's like, nothing, nothing has happened. I've just, I've just been doing a little bit of a manscaping and I think it's made me more able to lead Britain into, into a new era. What are you talking? No, I told you, I got rid of the suits Lord Ali brought me. This is an Emporio Armani t-shirt that's skin tight. As you can see, I've got this Balmain belt on. The other thing I think is funny about that polling though, is that Starber is at 26%

in this point of his premiership. At the same point, Sunak was at 29. At the same point, Johnson was at 40, May was at 46 and Cameron and Brown were both at 59. Which is like, what we're seeing is not like a bad leader, although we are seeing a bad leader. What we're also seeing is just a gradual collapse in confidence in a political system from everybody except people who are basically directly employed by it. Yeah, well I mean this is the thing, all of these guys had this brilliant chess gambit

of we are going to ride this loveless landslide into power, and at no point in any of this are we ever going to do anything that might make us popular. We're just going to become widely hated and stay that way. And then it's going to work out fine. Don't worry about it. And then they're going to do things like ban disposable vapes, which is now appears to be policy, but also like compensate, making sure that military families are either exempted from or compensated for the imposition of VAT on private school fees.

I thought you were going to say that the military families get to still vape. Okay. Janissary, like hereditary privileges. Cause your dad was in the royal signals or something and now you get to hit the disposable vape. You have to be able to vape if you're in the royal signals. Cause that is one of the signals. You just blow a fat cloud into the air.

And it lets up. In fairness, Daniel Khalif, the hot guy who escaped from prison, the spy for Iran, he was in the Royal Signals and he's one of the vaping-est men I've ever seen. And now he can send his kid to private school. So well done, sir. One of the vaping-est men I've ever seen. He just has... You know how Anya Taylor- Taylor joy has a face that knows what an iPad is, right? By the same token, there's a guy who it doesn't work if you put him in a sort of a context

that doesn't have vapes in it. You're saying his lips know the taste of banana ice. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah. Um, so we, we talked about West reading a little bit. Um, let's, let's go into that a little more, because there are a few developments... Yeah, I'm so angry about this one. Well I had some developments about his plans to digitize more of the NHS, and evidence around that. It turns out I'm pretty angry about those too. Yeah.

Evidence about how some of that works, but then today, just today actually, he appeared to speak in front of a conclave of transphobic nurses, or something? ALICE Yeah, so like, the deal with this is there's like half a dozen, uh, like, TERF nurses. I'm not even really TERF, right? Cause they're sort of sponsored by Christian Concern, who you may have heard of. Well, we should dig into them at some point in the future, but like, strange, often US-backed

evangelical lobbying group, who do a lot of weird activism like convincing parents of dig into them at some point in the future, but like, strange, often US-backed evangelical lobbying group who do a lot of weird activism like convincing parents of brain-dead kids to fight it out in the courts because Jesus will heal their very sick baby and then doesn't. One of the things that they also do is sponsor this little group of nurses, whom West Riesing met with, and apparently had a pretty sympathetic meeting where he was like, yeah, you know, sex is biological and we've, we've gone wrong in our society and we have to like, do something about this and the NHS is going to like be run under my watch along those principles. Which is, apart from anything else, a total humiliation to not just trans patients, but I think a lot about trans healthcare workers, right? I said as much on Twitter that I know a lot of people, trans people who work in the NHS

doing thankless jobs for fuck all pay across like inhuman hours. And their reward for this is West Streeting saying, yeah, but hold on though, I know which bathroom you should piss in better than you. It's just, it's beyond insulting. It's beyond insulting to them, as you say, and you almost have to ask, like, at this point what's it even for? I mean, it's not even like red meat, right? Because the kind of people who like this stuff will never be satisfied, least of all by a Labour government.

It's, you know, I don't... Some of it's the cruelty is the point, but some of it is just that like, this is what West Rieting personally believes. I don't know what's going on there, and it will be interesting to find out one way or the other, but like, there is some deep personal transphobia going on behind this, because a lot of Tories, for instance, who were like, perfectly happy to do this shit when it was convenient to them electorally, would privately be like, yeah, we know this is nuts, it's just, you know, this is what plays. But there's not really any, like, electoral calculus to be done here, it's just man who earnestly believes in this stuff. And that's much scarier to me. A man who earnestly believes in this stuff,

making sort of high level decisions on healthcare at a time when, like, you know, I see trans people see trans people self reporting, like, yeah, my GP just said they're not going to give me hormones anymore. Oh yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You know, at a time where, you know, that kind of activity, which like even in previous years, relatively recently, I would have been quite surprised at GPs refusing either on political grounds or personal grounds, or just quite simply that they're worried that they might already be overstepping whatever the legislation is. It's a story of institutional capture fundamentally. The reason why GPs started doing this more often is because of guidance that came out of the Royal College of GPs, who you may remember

Hilary Cass was a former president of. It gives you some sense of the kind of organisational culture at the top of that. It's the same thing that happened with the Equality and Human Rights Commission, right? Where these institutions that are sort of like supposed to be like fuzzy and woke and apolitical are very, very easy to destabilize if you're sort of like aiming in a targeted direction. And that's exactly what happened. It's almost a little like, like how councils are so easy to take for a ride because they have this relative, they end up with like a lot by just an amount of money standards, not a lot for running a local government standards of money that they've put like bill from accounts in charge of managing.

And then it's very easy to just walk in there, a place where no one's really looking and do something that is extremely impactful and beneficial for you personally, because everyone's looking at a lot of the bigger institutions. "-Why shouldn't Ron Korn have a monorail?" Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, it's not unhelpful to think of this as a scam, functionally, in the sense that it is diverting time and resources from, you know, providing healthcare to burnishing the reputations of people with some, like, very self-interested and very weird agendas.

A chilling portent of things to come. I mean... It's also probably worth noting that trans healthcare is not a thing in and of itself, right? It's kind of multi-departmental and I've spent quite a lot of time in maternity wards recently and so it's very clear not only how that all sort of... The idea of gendered medicine, how that's not really a thing, but also how, well like going into a war, you sort of see how complex that all is. But what you also see is how like defunding, like the effects

of sort of defunding that, all of which is to say, like whatever move that is made to sort of like placate these weirdos, and they are weirdos, don't get like, even their beliefs about like women and and mothering and birth and all that stuff, it's really weird and actually very, very dangerous. And the consequence of this is just going to be like, you already are going to have dwindling, struggling maternity wards that, you know, a lot of them, and even in London as well, because like some backstory from my part, we transferred two hospitals because two maternity wards were just not kind of up to standard, even for the purpose of safety. As in, you would be in one of them

and you're like, this could kill you if we stayed here. And that is going to be what a lot of these departments start to look like. And I don't know how to explain, because it's already been explained. And what is very clear from a lot of these freaks that seem to want to advance this to like own whatever trans people that they see online is that like, well actually, and we should really call them out on this. Like they are willing to let, they're willing to let a lot of people die needlessly to sort of placate their own bizarre maniacal agenda. And I don't think you should, I don't think we should sort of like beat around the bush on that. Absolutely.

But if you want to talk also about like a reduction in the quality of care, then also let's talk about not just West Streeting's wacko beliefs about like sex and gender. Let's talk about his wacko beliefs about the possibility that you just have to throw a computer at the NHS to fix it. So this was one week ago today, as of day of recording, Stormer, supported by Streeting, said of the NHS, we need to go from analog to digital to use much better technology, whether that's the ambulance services, hospitals, neighbourhoods, and making, just generally making much more use of technology. Which is fine, right?

That's fine to say, that's true, but the question is how, for what, in, as always, the question is how, for what purpose... Who is supplying the technology, what oversight do you have over it, and is this a fairly transparent way of getting around deeper structural problems? Yeah. Who is supplying the technology? Why is it G4S? Why are G4S doing it wrong?

These are all the questions. It's worse than G4S, it's fucking Palantir! It's gonna be Palmer Lucky, the guy who, you know, gets up on stage in his fucking Hawaiian shirt and talks about how cool it is to be part of a warrior cast. I'm handing you a note. I'm handing you a note. It's Peter Thiel. It's Peter Thiel.

Palmer Lucky is Anderil. It's another Lord of the Rings reference. Oh my god, these fucking nerds. If you've ever enjoyed the Lord of the Rings books, you should be thrown off the fucking atta stoop. So, this is, this is the, it is Palantir who's doing this, where they are, one of the changes they're bringing is a single patient passport that allows you to bring information from GP to GP and so on and so on and so on.

Again, a good idea to have, but as ever, instead of creating the state capacity to do these kinds of things, especially when it will be completely fucking impossible to ever change providers. The definition of vendor lock-in is, we have all of the information that is customized to their pipes, to their servers, that interfaces with an app that they basically create the entire back end of. How can you say, I don't want to be with Palantir anymore, I'd like to go with, you know, whatever other vendor. I just also think about the still ongoing situation where a bunch of pathology in London, a bunch of biomedical sciences, cannot get done because it was all underpinned by one system which was then hacked by like a ransomware gang, so you just couldn't get blood tests done.

Oh yeah, and also this constantly happens with the NHS already. One of my friends worked in middle management in the NHS and he says that they are constantly sold new IT systems, which then mysteriously don't work with the other software that they use. And then the new IT system person they've employed is like, oh, well you could always use our software to do that other thing that you use other software for. And they're like, but it should work with our software. And then it, and then it just never does. Crazy how that happens.

Yeah. This particular change is going to be a single source of all patient health information, test results and letters accessible by the app, which again, run by Palantir is makes the, this thing that does sound relatively convenient, right? Sound much more, oh, quite sinister. And in fact, you know, again, the aggregation of all, what I, one thing that does sound relatively convenient, right, sound much more, oh, quite sinister. And in fact, you know, again, the aggregation of all... One thing I always said, and I sort of stand by, is that if data about you and other people who are roughly similar to you is being aggregated by someone, whoever's aggregating it gains

power over you. Because they are able to understand you in ways that you might not. They're able to be... Yeah, they're putting your ass in the panopticon. No, they're gonna put you in a really good baseball team. That's what Palantir are up to. They're finding the healthiest guys in Britain and they're gonna create an excellent baseball team. The London Mets are finally gonna be up to scratch.

There you go. And so, you know, and also we know, like, bringing all of this information together, a huge amount of like this digitized the NHS drive is being championed by Streeting and Starmer as a way to unlock a little bit of more copper wire. It can be ripped out of Britain's walls in the form of selling that information to pharmaceutical companies because the NHS is relatively unique and it is one umbrella organization, sort of, that manages the health of a huge number of people. And it's also worth noting, of course, that as per usual, there are lots of personal connections here. For example, and this is,

again, noted by Ethan Schoen, who's been on the show a couple of times, who's very good at finding these things, is that Peter Mandelson is a lobbyist for Palantir, who is friends with the former boss of Joe Dancy, West Streeting's fiance, who just got a £100,000 a year job at Labour HQ and was one of the candidates who failed to get elected, who also is a lobbyist, but that West Streeting himself was personally pushing very hard for NHS take up of Palantir's product and referred to anybody who was skeptical about it as a tin foil hat wearing conspiracist. Well at Palantir we've built a very buttery application. I think you'll find that it just slides right in. We're not just talking about technology that works to invade privacy, because in the same

week, there have been reports that OpenAI, their transcription tool, Whisper, which is heavily heavily used by medical centers around the world to transcribe patient consultations with doctors, has now been analyzed by a number of engineers, who've discovered about 50% of whisper transactions contain significant hallucinations. Oh, of course. Yeah. So now every doctor that you see, or every health professional that you see, is going to see in your chart that you said something that you didn't say.

Yeah. But of course, the audio snippets then have to be deleted for data protection purposes. Oh, of course. So, cool. That's fun. And so this is more information here. Another developer said he found hallucinations in nearly every one of 26,000 transcripts he created with Whisper, and the problem persists even in well-recorded short audio samples with clean backgrounds, with another study uncovering 187 hallucinations in 13,000 perfectly clear audio snippets. ALICE I mean, it's good that medicine doesn't

typically involve a lot of very technical or specific language, right? RILEY Yeah, of course. Because the average person would obviously say something like myocarditis. And not something that sounds like with much more common short words. Yeah. The patient has an oak heart. I mean, that is true. The patient is a very stout person. But in one example, the research has uncovered a speaker said, he, the boy was going to, I'm not sure exactly.

Doc's a hold them in audible. He, the boy was going to, I'm not sure exactly, take the umbrella. But the transcription software then added, he took a big piece of a cross, a teeny small piece, and I'm sure he didn't have a terror knife, but he killed a number of people. Fascinating. Where did the terror knife come from? See, this is one of the only things I find funny about AI, and also what's so terrifying about this, is that when it's unpredictable, it is unpredictable. Like, it just comes out of nowhere.

Taking a cross and garlic into the doctor's surgery to ward off the receptionist. You can't get me, it's past 8.30am! Some kind of ghost in the machine of every possible conversation that's stolen from anywhere yields up the words terror knife in a GP consultation. It's so surreal. A speaker in another recording described two girls and one lady. Whisper invented extra commentary, adding, two girls and one lady who were black. Oh, it's woke. They weren't white, by the way. Yeah. I mean, it's like they weren't white by the way. It's doing that kind of Tumblr post from 10 years ago.

The doctor was his, uh, his mother. Yeah. Doctor illegible. Yeah. This is something we've seen actually before where sometimes the system prompts for AI models, like where it says that you are Gemini, you are a model that blah, blah, blah. You're very helpful, et cetera. Um, they will just include an attempt to make it more equitable. They'll include like black, Asian woman and so on to try to like, make it not just always make white men.

This nine year old boy who was gay. I wonder if that was that. But in a third transcription, Whisper invented a non-existent medication called hyper activated antibiotics. I mean, shit, maybe they're cooking with that because that sounds too drastic. Yeah, it sounds cool. Start hyperactivating that shit. We got to get those before the Chinese do. And the impact of course, right, is that this could lead to huge amounts of faulty transcriptions

over millions of recordings, which again have all been deleted. You know, it also is like, is this the most popular open source recognition model? It's built into huge amounts of things. And you know, there are health tech companies based in Europe, like the French company NABLA. It's basically an interface for whisper. Like that's its foundation model that it uses. That's a company name to say very carefully, by the way. Yeah. Fully looked up from the notes there. Now, NABLA said no model is perfect and that theirs require, Sorry. Uh-huh. Yeah, Nambla said no model is perfect. And that theirs currently requires medical providers to quickly edit and approve transcribed notes. But again, you can say all you want. Everybody has to edit their transcribed notes. But if you're going to keep also putting pressure

on people and say, the whole point of the transcription system is to save you time because we're not going to hire more people, then what you're really doing is you're saying, hey, check the notes, but you don't have more time. But also, why is it adding in whole sentences? Because even if you just get the fucking inbuilt function on TikTok to transcribe something, it will do it better than this. So the reason for that isn't that it's hearing something else and trying to make words out of it. The reason for that is that it will sometimes just go off on a tangent because it's always worth reminding people how generative AI works, which is that it's the assignment

of tokens, a numerical value, and then it draws a graph, which it thinks continues that line. Yeah, no, sorry, I understand that. But what I mean is, is in like, there are kind of, there are good transcription tools that exist that simply don't do this. Like they might get things wrong, but they don't like add in whole sentences about, you know, who was who was queer and latinx, by the way. Yeah, it's that they don't, they don't do that because it's also because like they're not based on like generative AI. They're based on different underlying technology. It's just that this is bad for that.

Oh, okay. Fine. One similar company, which is by the way, important to note that we don't know if it uses Whisper as its foundational model, is Tortoise, which is T-O-R-T-U-S, which is currently running a pilot program at Great Ormond Street Hospital. Dom Pimenta, the CEO of Tortoise. I really wish his last name was Pimento. That would be fun. AI and healthcare is the only realistic solution to the workforce problem we have. But saying the quiet part loud, right? We can't keep treating these people like shit all the time. We need, we need to be able to like generate new stuff.

Yeah. We need to be able to generate new staff who will occasionally just like have their eyes roll back in their head and you know, open their... We need to make chat GP. The kind of assumed margins of failure, right? Because like any health system is going to make mistakes and kill people by accident, right? And we, we bake that into the NHS as it currently stands that it has like, you know, malpractice and it has like accidents and it has misprescription and all the rest of it.

Right? And if your nan dies of that, well, you know, we're very sorry, but there's just the cost of doing business. Can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, right? Can't make an omelet without killing a few nans. Exactly. And we're witnessing those things being shifted to, well, you know, we're very sorry that your transcript said that, you know, you started talking about the terror knife, but that's

just an unavoidable part of healthcare in the 21st century. That's just the way things have to be. You go into the doctor with an arm ache and you come out and you've been prescribed PrEP and you're like, what's going on? We say these are things how things have to be because it is also people like West Reading who spent the last six months going up and down the country saying the NHS is unfixable. It is in crisis. It is the worst it's ever been. There's no solution to this problem. We have to reform. Everything is broken, right?

As he is raising the opportunity, he's throwing up the ball for fucking Dom Pimenta to spike it. And who then goes on to say, clinical staff waste a lot of their time doing admin. Imagine the cognitive load of all that work. Doctors are trying to see their patients while they're driving their car. What if we could create autonomous driving for doctors? Awesome. Put your doctor in a Tesla. Meaning more time of a doctor's day taken up with work because that doesn't mean the shifts are gonna get shorter.

Quite the opposite. Now you just have to work on your commute. But that was a metaphor. I don't think he was being literal about- Yeah, sure. But like this is exactly the kind of thing. It's plausible that I would have believed it. This is exactly the kind of thing that like is going to be shoehorned in. It's not necessarily going to be that, but it will be something as stupid as that.

Yeah. This is how none of the solutions are like really... It kind of reminds me of when I was about to go to secondary school, my mom was a school governor at my primary school and she got invited in her capacity as a school governor to go and view the comprehensive school that we were technically in the catchment for, which ended up getting shut down a few years later. She had like a tour of the school and she looked at it. She went in the school library and the librarian was there and she said, there aren't really any books in here. Is this the library? And he was like, yeah. And then she's like, but if it's the library,

why aren't there any books? And he just went, it's all on computers now, isn't it? And I feel like that kind of approach is what's being taken with the NHS here. Just like, no, it's on computers, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, don't need any of that. Computer. Yeah, don't need a doctor.

We have an iPad. Get an email. Yeah, easy. I want to do our last segment here. We're running short on time, which is, I think probably, I've talked a lot in superlatives recently about the importance of certain events that have happened. For example, I think the global investment summit that was hosted by the Stammer government a few weeks ago is probably one of the most consequential things for life

in Britain that has happened in recent years. I think in terms of something similar has happened in the United States recently, about six weeks ago, which I think we mentioned briefly at the time, a number of AI CEOs, including the Jensen Huang of Nvidia, Sam Altman of OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and so on, all went to the White House to have a meeting on AI energy infrastructure and national security. Yeah, Biden wants to find out why his ping was so high.

ZEKE Yeah, Biden was like, where are my emails going? The other people who were there, there were some people who you'd expect, like the Commerce Secretary, Energy Secretary, but most importantly, I think, in terms of thinking of... if you're interested in AI and what states are doing with it, and how states are going to react to it in the future. Ooh, is it securitizing it?

Well, it's Jake Sullivan was also there as well. Mmm, I have some thoughts about that man. As well as John Podesta, which was very funny. Yeah, the Clinton crime family in effect. But, you know, what we have talked about... Yeah, we need a guy in this cyber security conversation to click on a bunch of, like, spearfishing emails. Yeah, it's, don't do what Johnny Don't does.

John Podesta opening his emails, like, on an iPad in the Oval Office. Just like, I could grow my penis right now, I'm gonna click that. Oh boy. What are you guys talking about? I'm on chat roulette. Oh, um What are you guys talking about? I'm on chat roulette. Oh, um, don't listen to what they're saying. No. So, but when we talk about AI inevitably and the UK weirdly, we've talked about things like investment and planning and to a lesser extent,

but not to no extent have we talked about national security in the U S that conversation has, I would say progressed progressed an enormous amount in the last six weeks, and probably one of those very important national security memos has now been published. So, that was the result of this meeting six weeks ago with Sam Altman and Jake Sullivan, essentially. ALICE Yeah, no, we super duper promise that this thing works, and therefore it's a critical national security asset. You know, China can't get this and we have to get everything that we want and you have to guard it for us.

Essentially, yes. I mean, OpenAI said that it believes building additional infrastructure in the US for AI is critical to the country's industrial policy and economic future. We appreciate, they said, the White House convening this meeting of hands for us Foxes as it is a recognition of the priority of infrastructure to create jobs, help guarantee the benefits of AI are widely distributed and ensure America will continue to be the forefront of AI innovation, said the OpenAI spokesman after that meeting in late September. They also shared privately generated economic impact analysis with administration officials, basically

saying, look, if you build gigantic data centers fucking everywhere, it will create one trillion jobs, which we know from here is a lie. Right? Accidentally doing like too cheap to meter nuclear energy, but using it for AI is one of the funniest and dumbest outcomes I can imagine. Well, this is a huge part of what they were talking about because the other basically, right, that meeting happened. No one really knows what went on inside until this memo comes out. So a couple days ago, the memorandum on advancing the United States is leadership

in artificial intelligence, harnessing artificial intelligence to fulfill national security objectives and fostering the state security and trustworthiness of artificial intelligence was released. Oh, you'll never turn that into an acronym. Yeah. This is now calling to mind AI Chernobyl. Just like comrade Dyatlov, we can't shut the reactor down now. It's in the middle of generating a picture of Jesus as a crab, beckoning Donald Trump out of the sea.

Well, this might get dangerously close to AI Chernobyl in that one of the only ways you can plausibly do this are nuclear power plants. So you just get regular Chernobyl, but it happened in order to provide you with Shrimp Jesus. So, the first principle that it says is the United States must lead the world's development of safe, secure and trustworthy AI. To that end, the United States government and civil society will, and basically they say, turn everything towards this. Civil society, academia and so on, promote and secure the foundational capabilities, quote, using all available legal authorities to assist in, for example, attracting and rapidly bringing to the US all individuals of relevant technical expertise who would improve competitiveness

in AI and related fields and so on. If they actually knock this together, what they're talking about, what they're laying the groundwork for here is the kind of like AI equivalent of a Manhattan project, right? Like this is, this is being written about the way nuclear physics was in the thirties. Or like operation Clippy. There'll be a scene in the film where they will put like the protective glasses on, but instead of a nuclear explosion, it's just going to be one giant shrimp Jesus. Until someone invents a shrimp.

Yeah. Jesus. A man breaking down in tears because he sees a woman with three tits. So for example, right? This is November. I know you joke, but like this is- No, I don't. Well, yeah, this is quite directly sort of beat for beat, more or less the same as a nationals NSC 68.

Yes, all of the fucking tragedy and pathos of the like, you know, early cold war, but over shrimp Jesus, you're gonna get like the fucking, they're gonna have to execute a modern day Rosenberg's for like leaking how to make Shrimp Jesus pictures to China. For leaking the prompt that makes the best one. They can't spare the electricity for the electric chair. It's all going into making Shrimp Jesus.

The logic, the structure, the goals and a lot of the like means were quite similar to the massive buildup of nuclear arms in the early, as you say, early Cold War in the 19 it's genuinely like if you had done Oppenheimer, but the bomb didn't work like ever. And then, and then the back third of the movie is just Oppenheimer going, wow, that was a waste of time. Yeah. And so I am one day going to become death. Any second now. Yeah. The back side back then it was actually Oppenheimer going around every government office going like the bombs are totally going to work. It's going to work so hard.

You're going to, it's actually going to kill us all. That's how much it's going to work. Yeah. Sort of is what happened. Kind of did like, yeah, the Fermi was like, yeah, what if it just fucking ignites the atmosphere? So yeah, nothing new under the sun except that I genuinely, you might think to yourself, right? Well, if the US government is taking this at this high level completely

seriously, maybe there's something in this. Do not be fooled. Everyone involved in this is absolutely stupid enough to be betting everything on a technology that is a huge waste of time. Jake Sullivan said privatebie Jake Sullivan said, private companies are leading the development of AI, not the government. And that's one of the distinctions actually between sort of the 1950 memo and this one. Which is that, like, this is, that was largely seen as a state-led activity because it needed to be kept secure. So I was saying private industry wasn't involved. Far from it. Alistair Duggan Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got Matt Damon involved,

as I recall. Trey Lockerbie Yeah, not that it wasn't involved, you know, like I say,, they got Matt Damon involved, as I recall. RILEY Yeah, not that it wasn't involved, like I say, far from not involved. But this is so different. ALICE No, no, no, it was Leslie Groves in the movie, because it's a military project. RILEY This is essentially, the US national security community looking at OpenAI or Anthropic or whatever, and saying, okay, you're now securitized. You are now as NatSec as like, Boeing, as far as we're concerned.

You we are going to bring you into the fold, which means we are going to protect you and nurture you for forever. By the way, the last guy we did this for was Elon Musk, and that has been biting us in the ass constantly, like every six months minimum ever since we did that. It's so funny he spent two years on the phone to Putin while being a high level national security contractor. Yeah, like, not to get too Mueller-she-wrote, but that is basically treason. And it doesn't matter, because he's one of the... he has been securitized.

He's a critical national security asset for some fucking reason. This is our critical national security dipshit. This one Redditor holds the entire edifice of like the space program together. I have been speaking a lot with this Elon Musk. He tells me that things in America are very epic. I do not understand what this means. You're telling me that the American space program is being held together by a sort of esoteric fascist. Oh my God. The fact that he just, he only thinks in memes.

The point of studying history is to be able to remember something that the current situation is a bit like, and then waggle your eyebrows a lot. Study history is 80% reading 20% forehead exercise. I mean, the guy thinks purely in memes. If anyone has ever been an NPC who gets his chip replaced occasionally and is mad about the current thing, it is Mr. The-based-your-old-chads are going to overrun the they-them army. Getting a phone call back from Donald Trump, switching out his chip and becoming like, I'm dark, MAGA-based democracy defender or whatever. It is very amusing to just see him switch effortlessly between these things while forgetting

he's a national security contractor, but also having his companies be so individually a linchpin in things that everybody still needs to suffer him. It is... ALICE Yeah, speaking of suffering him, it's interesting to use that phrasing, because I'm trying to figure out what off-ramps there are for anybody who wants to be rid of a turbulent Elon Musk, and I genuinely can't think of any besides taking a swim off the back of his yacht. Like, there's not to say that I think it should happen, although I do, it's just that I don't... I mean, it could have been Zuckerberg, right?

They had the MMA fight. Agent Zuck, you've been injected with experimental CIA hyperdised fucking antibiotics. Another thing about studying history is that you get to do counter history. And I do imagine that a lot of counter history will be like, what if Elon and Zuck did have the MMA fight? Like, how would that have, would that have like humbled Elon enough to like not do the weird X jump at every opportunity? Oh, like sliding doors stuff, you know, would have changed the course of his life. I'd like to see him do the fucking, the fucking little star jump with two broken legs. I mean, cause the way to think about these guys is increasingly they're basically kings

of stuff. And they're not even good at swinging swords around. Yeah, come on. This guy isn't even good at jumping. Yeah, he'd be easily defeated by the MP for Runcorn. Well, that's the way out of it. We just, we deploy, we lure Elon Musk to Cheshire over sort of Saturday night and we just wait and see what happens. I'm saying that these guys are basically becoming kings. And this is... Sam Altman sees his

opportunity to become a nation state, essentially. Jensen Huang writes about sovereign AI as the most important end goal of what he's doing, which he refers to as a nation's capabilities to produce AI using its own infrastructure data workforce and business networks. And so the whole point of private companies leading the development of AI, not the government, is regardless of whether or not it does work, what it represents is a huge capture of a huge amount of productive capacity by a shrinking number of people. It's also pretty funny because we don't really produce anything autochthonously in the West

anyway. Okay, you can say that we're producing a, like we've got our own AI data centers, like they're not in like China or wherever, but we don't make the computers in the West. So like... Well, we actually, again, that's also a very important factor here, which is that for a very long time, the only place that could really make those computers was Taiwan. But a TSMC-owned fab in Arizona just increased its output beyond the fab in Taipei for the first time. So a huge amount of investment is going into this stuff. Another one is the expectation of the national security community in America is that the

demands of AI use in the way that they're looking at, which is generating AGI, creating God but also using God to spy on people, is going to increase America's overall energy demand by 25%. Oh good. Overall. If we put it that way, that seems like both a lot and also weirdly low. To be like, yeah we invented God, he's gonna put your electricity bill up. Like a bit.

Yeah. He's a bit juicy to run. He's like a C63 AMG, you know. Very powerful, but like, it does come at a cost. Not good for a bit juicy to run. He's like a C63 AMG, you know, very powerful, but like it does come at a go. Not good for a daily driver. Yeah. God on the one hand, like sanctions on Russia on the other hand, these will have about the same effect on your heating bill. So they also say, right, and this will be, we recognize this when we talked about data

centers in Britain with Paris, that the government shall coordinate efforts to streamline permitting approvals and incentives for the construction of AI-enabling infrastructure as well as surrounding assets, especially data centers and nuclear clean energy generation plants to be hooked up to those data centers. So, like, they are much in the same way we did with an economic development lens. With a national security lens, the US is doing largely the same thing, or at least their appropriations- ALICE Which is funny, given that last I heard they were having some serious risks about having to physically secure just their power grid. There was this thing from the NERC that came out a few years back that they've since been

very quiet about, which you hope is because they're remedying it, that you could, with no tools and a small group of people, take out nine substations and one manufacturer in the US, and the US power grid would be irrecoverably damaged like it would just be off indefinitely. So, you know, uh, well that's why in fact a lot of these nuclear reactors won't be going into the power grid in general. They will be powering particular data centers because that's way more important. We built God and then we killed it in a power cut, because we didn't get like a surge protector for our PC. So when the power went out, we just killed God by accident.

Well God's kind of like a Furby, like even if you take the batteries out, he's quite hard to sharp, like you have to lock him in a dark cupboard. Tamagotchi. I have one theory about this, which is that I remember when we talked about Wirecard, their escape plan was Deutsche Bank, where they'd buy Deutsche Bank, then hide all the crime in Deutsche Bank's gigantic book. You think that OpenAI's escape capsule is the federal government? I think their escape capsule is to basically become a privately owned department of the

federal government that's also considered to be the most important and at the center of all the others. Yes. I mean, it's a good plan. This is the first smart idea to come out of OpenAI, to be honest. It's simple. We take over the government. Yeah, they're stealing the Declaration of Independence. Well, now we're going to AI generate the Declaration of Independence. It's going to kind of start normal, but it'll get weird. It's going to kind of start normal, but it'll get weird. It's going to say some stuff about the terror knife. That's going to be like John Hancock, who was gay and black also.

Another possible audience for this is like US allies. So for example, the US and the UAE have struck a deal related to building a huge amount of like data centers and power plants in the UAE. Don't the UAE struggle with access to water? I guess you could- Are you used to cool the data centers? Also, isn't it hotter than dog shit in the UAE? Shouldn't you build data centers somewhere where it's naturally cold?

Look, don't ask me these questions. What do I look like, Jake Sullivan? We're going to park 40 Ferraris inside the data center with their windows and doors open, running the aircon full blast just to keep the data center cool. It're going to park 40 Ferraris inside the data center with their windows and doors open running the aircon full blast just to keep the data center cool. It's going to be fine. Wouldn't that still ultimately generate slightly more heat than cool? No, no, no. Don't worry about it.

It's not as if we've been doing that on like a civilizational scale. Yeah, but look, you can also cool those data centers and you can cool the aircon that is like cooling those centers by getting some fans from like Sainsbury's and Tesco and cooling them with the fans. That's right. Like a little old lady who cooled down a fly situation. That's right. Yeah. But when we talk about this deal, the government deal between the two countries was following and supporting a private sector deal between Microsoft and G42, the UAE tech investment company. So this is like private sector in every Microsoft and G42, the UAE tech investment company.

This is like private sector in every way is like leading the charge here and the state is just basically building the infrastructure around them as they go. But what Sullivan says further is one thing is for certain, if we don't rapidly build out this infrastructure in the next few years, adding tens or even hundreds of gigawatts of power to the grid, we risk falling behind the implied China. In what? Like ability to generate shit? Someone else will develop the freeboob Jesus shrimp with shrimp on their hands. Realistically, right? This is, let's take it on its own merits, which is let's say that

it does what they want it to do. Right? The idea is we risk falling behind in the creation of the genie that we assume is going to be able to like, just sort of give us whatever we want. And we need a huge amount more power to create, well, you know, God, basically. Because the Chinese will build God first. I mean, this is... That's fine. This wasn't expected to be Chinese. If anything, this is... I remember we read that article by Henry Kissinger and the other AI guys quite a while ago. This is the national security memo that that article wanted to inspire.

See, his legacy is still alive. Well, indeed. I cribbed some of this in the ACLU. The memo writes frequently about the need to protect human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, privacy and safety. And that list of good things is copied and pasted again and again and again and again throughout the document such that you'd sort of... And again, this is from the ACLU's AI Security Project. They say, quote, you'd forget this memo exists to prepare bureaucracies to carry out the work of developing and integrating artificial intelligence into every aspect of the nation's military intelligence, security and law enforcement operations. It is about improving the surveillance and investigative capabilities securing diplomatic and military advantages and improving the lethality of

its soldiers and weapons. But by repeating like a mantra, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, privacy and safety, this document seems to say we're the good guys because that's what we're doing. Unlike the bad guys who are trying to build the same capabilities to do the opposite. And what goes unsaid, this is me again, and is that the extent of this data collection that we'll need to continue, if all of this compute and nuclear energy is to be used, right?

If you're going to require the US to generate 25% more electricity, you're going to need a huge amount more data, more data than exists, which means you have to start gathering more data on everything and everybody, which I imagine will make the Patriot Act look very, very, very small potatoes. And the memo itself, which I've read a couple of times, it's quite dense, makes clear that there's a risk management framework that prevents someone from being monitored simply for the exercise of a right guaranteed under the Constitution,

if they're American. It's very easy to find some additional justification to like, surveil Palestinian rights activists, for example, or surveil any non-American as invasively as you want, for any reason you want. And in fact, I'll ask the system to clutch together any justification you need to do whatever you want to them. And all of this is going to be overseen by opaque in agency oversight boards, which again is one of these things that sounds quite technical. But the fact is, they're trying to get around their ever being a church commission in the memorandum creating the mandate to build God. Well, as Nietzsche would say, if he was alive now, God is alive and he's Chinese, so we

must kill him. He was dead, but he's back and Chinese. They've built God in China. Incredible things are happening and Chinese. They've built God in China. Incredible things are happening in China. They've built God and he's Chinese. So he's speaking Mandarin. He says, Hello, Jesus. He doesn't call him Jesus.

He calls him something Chinese. I don't know. I don't know what he says, but they're speaking Chinese, the Holy Spirit too, they're speaking in. He's eating, he's eating the sacrament with chapsticks. He's using little chapsticks, okay. He's having, he's having dim sum. Chinese God up in heaven. St. Peter is up there too, he's also having dim sum, he's enjoying prawn toast. He's got a little whiskey. Really really enjoying the theological implications of God the Father taking the Eucharist. Yeah, it's kind of like self suck.

Oh, come on. There are a few things that November and I were talking about earlier. I didn't anticipate that this podcast would end up in any of the directions. Were any of them Chinese? When we were talking about the script for the Nixon thing at the beginning, we were talking about also, that's right, two people worked on that. Could you do it? Well, one person worked on it and then asked for the other person to say if it was good. Um, but we talked about all the stuff that we think that would be fun to get a cameo of Trump saying. And number one-

Because I want, when he, when he loses again, right? I want to get a cameo from him in prison because I think that I, I hope they'll let him, you know, and when they do, I want a cameo of Trump saying Frank Colombo. The name Frank Colombo. It's gonna cost you four packs of cigarettes to get a cameo from me, Donald Trump. Maybe one candy bar. I think, yeah, him saying Frank Colombo would be great. Mr. former president, you have some mail here.

It appears that a woman in Scotland, uh, is entering the make a wish foundation because her blood is fucked up. Cause I really, really want to wish I got the disease of wanting to have a wish real bad. I got the disease of thinking about what it would be. Wish deficiency. Yeah. I have no wishes. I'm my only wish. My fondest wish is to hear you say the name Frank Colombo. Uh, but now I have another one, which fondest wish is to hear you say the name Frank Colombo.

But now I have another one, which is I want him to list all of the dim sum that there is. Hargow. Shumai. I'd love to do that. They're having Jesus and God. They're having Xiaolongbao. They're drinking the soup. One of the few things that AI is good for that's funny is Donald Trump singing in Mandarin. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Hard to argue.

We need to build a nuclear power plant so that can keep happening. So Peter is having one of the little egg buns, they're kind of sweet but also salty. You can't quite say if it's a dessert or not. I'd like to meet this General So-sh-on sometime. I can't believe what I was trying to talk about. What I was trying to talk about was, we say it is, it sounds quite like, you know, like spotish and technical to say that, oh, they're going to rely on internal oversight mechanisms rather than like, and then like visible democratic accountability. But that's sort of what makes national security overreach

tick. And what this is, is a gigantic private sector led for just the requirements of their models. They need more data to train the models because otherwise they're going to have to get feedstock that was generated by itself. They need a huge number of more ways to intrude into people's lives and spy on them. And because they want to build God before the Chinese do, the American national security community is perfectly willing to turn all of the resources of its gigantic spy apparatus to their ends so long as they say, we can build God as long as he's American. And the other thing to note here as well is that counterintelligence is going to become

very significant where AI infrastructure and intellectual property is going to be now listed among official counterintelligence priorities. But you know that you have to ask as well, what's this going to mean for all of the tech guys who are going to ayahuasca orgies all the time? Is Ayala going to have to get national security clearance? Mr. President, so we believe that these people indicated here came in the fluffer. I'll never be able to look at one of those diagrams the same. Henry, Henry, where do we stand on my birthday party? Good God, these people are sick. And came in Haldeman.

Inaudibly. Oh, I'll fluff them for you, Mr. President. Oh, don't Clinton. I'll do it. They can come and me. That's no problem. That's Elvis. That's Milo's Elvis. Milo's Elvis is very Clintonian. I just want to be a cop. Anyway, look, what all of this amounts to, I think, is an announcement of an intention to do something much bigger and more autonomous than the Patriot Act.

When I read this national security memo, that's what I see in it. Oh, good. Yeah. I see the using a lot of powers that have already been conferred, because a memo is different from an act, right? But using all of the powers that have already been conferred upon it by previous administrations, including the Patriot Act, very much so, using these kinds of precedents, the idea is going to be to advance surveillance because that's what it requires to make AI work. It requires surveillance to advance a huge amount more surveillance into more people's lives and to make enforcement of, let's say national

security priorities, much more sort of powerful and present. So OpenAI, its response to this particular memo was, we believe a democratic vision for AI is essential to unlocking its full potential and ensuring its benefits are broadly shared. By democratic, they of course mean liberal democracies, i.e. the US. Not democratizing AI. They say, AI is a transformational technology that can be used to strengthen democratic values or to undermine them. That's why we believe democracies should continue to take the lead in AI development, guided

by values like freedom, fairness, and respect for human rights. And it's why we think countries that share these values should understand how, with the proper safeguards, AI can help... They're going to make a dictatorial AI in China. ...AI can help protect people, deter adversaries, and even prevent future conflict. We're already collaborating with DARPA to help cyber defenders better protect critical networks. We're already collaborating with USAID, which is using chat GBT to reduce administrative burdens for staff. We're also seeing opportunities to deepen our collaboration with the US National Laboratory and our Bioscience Research

Partnership with Los Alamos. And of course, what they're not saying there is partnering with the FBI, CIA, ICE, local police forces, all of these sort of enforcement arms of the state. So you know, that is a, you know what, putting my marker down, let's see where it goes. And you know, let's debate after November, let's see who takes this forward in which ways.

But, you know, anyway, anyway. We've gone very long, so I want to say once again thank you very much for listening to this free episode of TF. There are shirts if you wish to cover your torso. Shirts are so fucking good. Yeah, the shirts are great, I love the shirts. I'm going to actually- I never really wear the shirts except to sleep. I will wear the Avenir Popes one. I'm going to wear the Avenir Pope's one.

Do you just nag your own merchandise? Yo, most of the shirts are kind of pieces of shit, but these two, pretty good. I wear the shirts all the time. I sort of live in them to the point where my wife is just like, please wear one of your other shirts. They drag the average of my wardrobe up because like I have so many of them I have so many shirts. Ultimately if I'm reaching for a t-shirt It's probably gonna be one with one of our bits on it. So far we've had I hate the shirts and my wife hates the shirts I wear them all the time because they're Chinese beautiful. I just did a straightforward Endorsement I was able to like endorse these. They're good shirts.

I don't hate the shirts. I feel weird wearing my own brand. It'd be like, what if Calvin Klein wore Calvin Klein? I think you've already- Riley in collaboration with Riley for Riley by Riley. Yes, that's right. I'd wear that. Anyway, I really like both of them. I like the banished Lagoon one. I love the Avenger Pope's one. I'm all honey. Oh, no, interesting.

So you're racing them oppositionally. I think it's so, so sad how we pit t-shirts against each other, you know? We teach them to shrink themselves, to make themselves smaller after a couple of washes. Yeah. It's kind of a pick me t-shirt, the Lagoon one. I've driven myself crazy with national security memos today. If you buy both of the t-shirts, it's cheaper. The listener can't see this, but Riley is wearing Aidan Jones merchandise.

You're wearing another guy's merch. That's fine. Check out Aidan Jones. Yeah. So do check out the shirts. I really like them, as I like all the shirts. I like all the shirts. Don't tell the other shirts you've got favorites. I love the shirts, beautiful. And also we're doing a live show. We are going to be alive in London on November the 24th. At 7 PM.

At 7 PM, it's a Sunday. So Sunday, Sunday. Yeah. Stay out in the fridges. Invisibly late. Uh, show up to work late. Get in trouble. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Things you shouldn't hit with podcasts live. Yep. That's right. Uh, we've resurrected the Rockford Speedway man. Okay. This is getting too detailed now. If you are a $10 subscriber, there is a discount code for discount tickets on the Patreon at the $10 tier. If you're wondering where that is, it does exist. Go there to retrieve it. Yeah. Please come to the show.

Also I'm in Birmingham on Sunday, the 3rd of November, which is soon. Please come to that. If you're in Birmingham and want to see my show. Yeah. Lovely. Lovely. Lovely. OK. It's going to be in Chinese. Hey, honestly, get out ahead, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right. I'm picking a horse in this race and it's China. All right. All right.

We will see you on the bonus episode in a few days everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye.