TRASHFUTURE - *UNLOCKED* Flowers for Algernonce feat. Hesse Deni

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

  This episode was originally published as a Patreon-only bonus episode on October 11, and we've unlocked it to ensure that there's holiday content available!   We are joined by Hesse Deni (@ZeroSuitCamus) of the Seeking Derangements and Movie Mindset podcasts to discuss A VERY ROYAL SCANDAL, another installment of British TV movies dramatizing the Prince Andrew Newsnight interview…but this time with an inexplicable voice. No, literally, what is going on with the way they’ve depicted Emily Maitlis’ voice? It’s a baffling assembly. Check out Seeking Derangements here!  Check out Movie Mindset here!  Get access to more Trashfuture bonuses like this one each week on our Patreon! *POPES/LAGOON SHIRTS STILL AVAILABLE!* We've got some extras of our recent shirts that can be purchased online and will ship immediately! Get them here: https://trashfuture.co.uk/collections/all *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s UK Tour here: https://miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

["The Moonlight"] This was an insane idea to do twice, I think. But... Well, the thing about the Prince Andrew interview, right, is that it is kind of the Bin Laden raid of British journalism, in that every fucker involved got their own self-valorising media project. Well, we had to make the show twice, because it gave us a chance to get the Emily Maitlis voice right.

I think we can agree that in this version, Ruth Wilson absolutely nails the kind of eroded vocal chord Prince Harry voice that is definitely how Homely Maitless really speaks. This, it really, this was somehow like ten orders of magnitude worse than the last one. It was three times longer. Yeah. For a kickoff. You took three hours of my life to make me watch this. I was wondering how they were going to make it, stretch it to three hours, but when it

opened in the year 125 with two soldiers outside Hadrian's wall, I realized that it was going to be very comprehensive. You know why Hadrian's building his wall? To keep at nonsense. I was really hoping for like an origin story of like the Woking Pizza Express. I feel like that was missing from this like trilogy of episodes. You know what this most reminded me of? By the way, we're welcoming of course, official Prince Andrew interview, self-valorizing media project correspondent, Hessa Denny. Welcome,

Hessa. Yes. I thank you for having me, but also I have a bone to pick with all of you. Because, I mean, Audicure, Peter Greenaway, DM Thomas, I demanded we did a whole movie mindset episode about Dennis Potter. I've seen every fucking episode of Line of Duty. I have so much British bullshit crammed into my head that I could talk about, and somehow I'm the Prince Andrew correspondent on this podcast. ALICE It was rough getting typecast. ZACH I know, but I truly love it. So I wouldn't have it any other way. ALICE This is just as well, because we are doomed to repeat this forever. We are going to get a different narrative of the Prince Andrew interview from everyone involved on the BBC's side,

narrative of the Prince Andrew interview from everyone involved on the BBC's side, from now until the end of time. So we look forward to having you back for, like, the Sound Guys, sort of like, uh, like three and a half hour movie about this. First as fast, then as, what the fuck is that voice she's doing? That should be the Sound Guys episode, trying to make Ruth Wilson sound normal! The voice, Ruth Wilson's voice in this was like the voice of three kids in a trench coat pretending to be an adult. I actually don't know what you mean. I'm definitely old enough to see Hitman. You have to let us in. I mean me.

A solid 70% of my notes just say, why is she doing that voice? Yeah. It really did remind me of like when, when I was younger, when we were all younger and like you'd sort of go to the off-license to go buy, try buy some cigarettes and you were trying to like, and because I was the only person who had like facial hair at that time, I was sent to do it and like, I had no idea how to. And so I just like deepen my voice, try to deepen my voice. I'm definitely over 18. I'm respected broadcaster, Emily Maitland. Now, now sell me a 10 pack of PNH menthols.

I demand that you sell them to me. I was so, I knew we were in for a heater when, first of all, the first time I watched this, for some reason, it started me at the third episode and I was, had just gotten home from a night out and was a little bit, you know, like off the, off the sauce as you will. And I was like, this is how it starts with Prince Andrew in like a church and it's dark. It's really dark as fuck. Like what the hell? This might be interesting. I love that scene so much because it goes up to the cleaning lady who might as well be a stand in for like 13th century peasant talking to feudal lord. Like she looks

up at him with a mixture of fear and awe and he's like, did you by any chance catch an interview I did on news night? And he says news night with that kind of skeptical voice that only a man that posh in the UK could say it like he says news night the way like a regular posh person might say like TikTok or something with an air of like, oh, some kind of new fangled business. Like anything that's come about since 1750 is inherently untrustworthy to him. And that was like, I believe this entirely. After, after he finished his talking to her, she runs away from him. She like runs like he's too old for him. It's a great, this is a great series for if you particularly if you like the

affronted posh person saying the word what like if you want some what it's got some great ones in this. I loved Emily Matliss walking around her apartment towards the beginning saying like the damned Tories are absolutely ridiculous I am so completely can't believe about the Tories. I hate Brexit. Oh yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of the start of like Emily Maitlis, like toast in mouth, listening to BBC news podcasts, like I'm late for news night. Emily. Yeah. And like her like poor house husband, who's just like in his little like apron making food and being like, I hope, you know, the kids need to eat breakfast. And she goes on

like, she yells at her son, Milo, about like eating a banana for a really long, like for a much longer time. But you didn't get back. The fact, listen, I can get the weirdness of her son being named Milo and the weirdness of the voice that she's doing into one drop, my soul drop from this whole thing. You shouldn't be reading this. I'm serious, Milo. I heard that and it was like a jump scare.

That's like late in the third episode. And I was like, you're fucking That's like late in the third episode. And I was like, you're fucking right Emily Maitlis. Why am I here? Why am I consuming this? The third episode really plays like they forgot that they had to make a third episode until like the morning of. Why did they? There's like no reason for it to exist. Oh God, we've got to make a third episode out of this. My theory, my theory is that they were sort of making it at the same time as the other Netflix film. The other Netflix film was going to come out first and so it's like, you can't just do

like a make for make of the same story. You have to have like a third thing to it, but it all feels really disjointed. It does sort of feel like they're really reaching for like some kind of conclusion to this, which is not like, yeah, nothing really happened. And also she decided to quit her big news job to do a podcast. Yeah, no. Do you know what happened? I after watching this, I think this reveals a hidden truth about Emily Maitlis. And this might be controversial of me to say, but I think this that she's an alcoholic after watching this because she shows up to the interview.

She's hungover as fuck. She goes to the bathroom. She's like super hungover. There's a scene where she, it's 2am and she Googles Prince Andrew money allegations. Yeah, she Googles Prince Andrew money. And then calls all of her coworkers and is like, you won't even believe it goes so much deeper than we thought. I just read an article at the Mirror and it's so unbelievable. Yeah, well look, Who Among Us isn't up at like 2, 3 in the morning in the year of 2016

to 18, Googling Jeffrey Epstein. Well, there's one bit where she like, it's like after the interview and she comes home and she's like watching some of the reactions come in and she just goes, Vodka. And it's like, she's a fucking BBC journalist. She's not a like detective in mormants investigating a series of murders of sex workers. Like what is this portrayal of Maitliss? Honestly, they did Maitliss so dirty in this. The fucking voice, the portrayal is absolute fucking nerd, but also an alcoholic. Like what is going on?

It's crazy. There's like, I also like one of my favorite details. Like in the first episode there's a part where she comes home from work and her husband has left a note, like her soy husband, the most one of the most soy husbands I've ever seen in a TV show leaves a note like I picked up the dog's shit for you. That's my job in the house. Dogshitting in this. It's a weird, weird fixation. Like her husband like compares her to a shitty dog at one point

when he's like my disgusting journalist wife yeah he's just you know this dog whose shit is like a weirdly big fixture of this narrative is not the only high maintenance member of this household yeah well you know who else is a dirty dog right mmm that's right yeah I mean- They open one of the episodes with a kind of like shared humanity thing between Emily Maitlis and Prince Andrew, where the thing they have in common is waiting for their dog to piss and or shit outside in the morning? In the first episode, Emily Maitlis comes home from work, opens up YouTube, and to cut back and relax, pours a glass of vodka

for herself and watches a YouTube video that is a slideshow of pictures of dogs. I believe this one unquestioningly. I think there's some absolute truth in this, like it buried right there under the surface for us to see. So we watched the Amazon series of Very Royal Scandal. Just put this in at the beginning before the fact that we just did like unprompted 10 minutes of feverish recollection about stuff we saw in this. We all had to get it off our chest.

We watched a very, as November said, we watched a Very Royal Scandal, the sort of spiritual sequel by the same production company and same people to a very British scandal and a very English scandal. So I guess that's the one that comes third. And they were like, look, this is like a deep impact Armageddon thing. Some producer must have like gone from Netflix to the BBC, taking the idea with him. And they were like, look, Netflix rushed out Scoop and they were those idiots. They centered it on that ditz asshole Sam McAllister, who

we all know did fucking nothing. ALICE This one made me miss Scoop, is the thing. And Scoop is not a good film, but it is a film that makes decisions, whereas this one doesn't. NICOLAS It is certainly a shorter film as well. DARREN Oh, I disagree with that. I think this one makes some absolutely, like, there's one thing in the third episode that we'll get to that I think is one of the most vile things I've ever seen in a TV show.

It's really, like, blew my mind how evil this was. But like- The third episode, the one where they invent feminism. Yes, of course. And that's the scene I'm talking about, I think, is the scene where feminism is invented. But something that, like, 30 to 40% of my notes are about how this film is shot, and how do I put this, every single scene of this movie takes place in a room where all the lights are turned off.

It's got this heavy, heavy blue filter over everything. There's a bit that made me laugh out loud in one of the episodes where a woman enters her office and switches on the light, and the lighting of the scene does not change. It remains completely dark. No, there's an amazing moment where, after the Prince Andrew interview, they throw open the curtains as if, metaphorically, they've just shed light on everything. And the scene is still so dark that you can't see shit.

They tease you, because in every single frame there are four or five turned off lamps in the background, and it's like, all I can think is that maybe it's a tribute to, you know, the great London bombings of World War II. They had to turn off the lights. If I thought Britain actually looked like this, I would kill myself out of sheer despair. It's genuinely, it's like they filmed this using an underwater camera. Well, you know what it is? They know that they can't turn the lights too high because the royal's lizard eyes can't

take the other simulation. Guy who has heard something described as murky and decides to shoot a film from first principles based on that. No, yeah, I think they were trying to do a Godfather thing, but towards the end of the second episode there's a scene where they play Who Am I, the game where you put a card on your head and it says a person and you have to guess who you are based on things people tell you.

And Prince Andrew has a card on his head, and I genuinely, and I paused it, I could not read what was written on his card. He says fucking nonsense. Oh gosh, am I... The series wants you to turn your brightness up to 100, but I don't negotiate with terrorists, so I watched it at the correct value for what it is, and I could not see a fucking thing. That's one of those things I get the start of Call of Duty, where it's like, correct value for what it is, and I could not see a fucking thing. Yeah, that's one of those things, like at the start of Call of Duty, where it's like, adjust your screen until Emily Maitlis is barely visible. Here's the other thing about this show, right?

Here's the other thing about this show, is that because it needs to have three episodes, and because it wants, instead of being like a show about, isn't this crazy that this bumbling idiot talked to like this journalist? They wanted to make everybody quite human. They wanted to make everybody have depth of character. And the whole third episode is about the impact of this total non-event that did nothing. And so like what essentially the only place the series can go then is say, yes, Prince Andrew may have had victims, but so too did the embarrassing interview of Prince Andrew have victims, such as his daughter.

Yeah, the whole third episode is this weird right of reply thing? Like, they give Amanda Thurst, cause disastrous press secretary, this kind of piece to camera about, like, nobody actually proved that he was fucking kids, so. Okay, so this is so funny and a really funny comparison with scoop because obviously in scoop they have Amanda thirst played by Keely Hawes, right? And she's portrayed as like sort of halfway competent. And in this movie, they fully have her played by Joanna Scanlon, the woman who played Terry Covelly in the thick of it. And she's just playing Terry Covelly. She's just playing the incompetent DOSAC PR person. Wait, let me see what I wrote down for her.

Cause I honestly, if you were the real Amanda Thursk and you're watching this and then, and you're just like, you turn it on, you're reading it like they've made me fucking Covelly coms. They've made me Covelly coms. You're like, you are ringing your fucking lawyer. I wrote that in my notes that she is like depicted as like a dowager that the Marx brothers would fuck with. Like duck soup.

How Prince Andrew got into my pajamas, I have no idea. And the other the other major difference, right, is that Sam McCallister played by Billy Piper is the main protagonist of Scoop. And this one and like the whole story of Scoop, or one of the stories of Scoop is Sam McCallister is not come from the same rarearified Oxbridge BBC background as the rest of her team does. ALICE And you know what? Retroactively, this series kind of makes her right a bit, because in this, she's just this wavy haired extra who gets two lines of cheeky cockney sparrow, and then is relegated to

the background for the rest of the whole thing. DARREN She might as well have been like, Jennifer Coolidge's character in Legally Blonde. Truly. ALICE Also, didn't that whole thing about Sam McAllister being this kind of like, bolshy working class woman get unraveled by the fact that her parents attack sexiles? DARREN I mean, yeah. DARREN I mean, yeah.

I mean, obviously. I mean, even Emily Matliss does that in this fucking show. When they go to the, like, palace, Emily Matliss delivers the incredible line, I don't think I've ever drank from a cup of this posh before. So I had one more thought from the very, from our sort of front matter of this. I mean, look, we've talked about the actual plot of this story before. It's impossible to do a well structured like review of this because it's everything about it makes you want to be too frenetic about it. I'm going to be so real. I could talk about this for five hours.

Absolutely. Just to be like, yeah, by the way, this takes place in an alternate version of England where the sun has been dimmed by about 75%? I actually think, right, I think one of these a year is like, that's fine, but it has to go on forever. Like, we should do not just others, some different perspectives. I think in 200 years, when everybody involved has been forgotten and the name Sam McAllister is just like, consigned to history. No one remembers who she is. We should still be making this movie by people who don't really know what they're portraying. Kind of like Guy Fawkes thing. We are doing like a penny for the night.

Yeah. You can, you can, you can do a version made out of Lego. That could be cool. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. Like the Pharrell movie. Why not? Well, Pharrell is Prince Andrew. Also the fact that they're like, you know what Scoop didn't do? You know what Scoop didn't do? They didn't have a guy playing Jeffrey Epstein. That's true. OK. Wait a second. Can I talk about can I talk about the Jeffrey Epstein guy?

Of course. Can I please be real with you guys? What the financier? Every every single performance in this was terrible. Except for Jeffrey Epstein. who, for some reason, is portrayed as a hairy, lime Orson Wilson the Third Man-style sexual dynamo. One of the sexiest and, like, most alluring, charismatic men you've ever seen. And it's so jarring. It's wild. You get this scene of him creepily threatening Andrew, and it's actually well acted. You just can't see it.

Yes. It's so fucking... And this guy is killing it. And it is literally... I genuinely, this scene, that scene with Jeffrey Epstein made me think there's gotta be something wrong with the camera. Like someone did like, did a setting wrong or something in the editing room. Like we can't fix this. We can't bring the brightness up. There's nothing we can do. Fuck.

We have to have Jeffrey Epstein shrouded in darkness like Voldemort. Well, maybe like, well maybe like the trade off of doing free episodes was like, you can't pay the lighting guys. And they were like, well, we've got to do the free episode. So if that means we just light everything with like room lights, then... Yeah. You could have had two episodes of this that you could see or three episodes that you couldn't. Yeah. I'm really excited to see the folk version of this in 200 years. I wish I will be alive to see it. Cause I think, you know, when it you know when it's become confused with all kinds of details of other stories, like it somehow involves Emily Maitlis confronting Prince Andrew in a McDonald's car park.

I'm screening a little film I like to call the people's Emily Maitlis. Speaking of right, the other thing is in Scoop, Emily Maitlis is very much a kind of cold commanding presence. Yeah, they like jerk her off a bit in terms of like, oh she's so intimidating and scary, whereas here it's like she has a bad case of protagonist syndrome. No, they've given her like the Bridget Jones disease a little bit. Yeah, I was gonna say exactly the same thing, it's pure Bridget Jones, it. Oh, bloody hell. Got to interview Prince Andrew and I'm wearing the wrong knickers. Oh, Christ. My shitty dog is like knocking stuff over in my house. It's because she's

an alcoholic. I'm telling you, that's the subtext. There are so many freaks in British journalism and especially like British TV broadcast media. And Maitlis is like resolutely not one of them. She's one of the more normal together broadcasters that we have. I feel like, and I just don't understand why they've like sort of like, she's like catching strays in this. They're just making her look like a fucking idiot for no reason. There's no evidence that she is an idiot. The thing that it reminded me of like towards the end of the second episode, I realized that the depiction of Emily Maitlis reminded me of, like, that episode of The Simpsons where they go to China and they see, like, this Chinese, like, communist propaganda play.

And I'm like, this is, like, exactly what this is, but from Emily Maitlis. It's, like, trying to make her look good, but actually like kind of doing the opposite. And it became like, like the third episode, her arc in the third episode was unbelievable because they kept trying to like the entire Emily Maitliss thing in the third episode is that they're trying to come up with reasons for her to be sad and conflicted about this interview and each reason falls completely flat and they can kind of tell. So they try newer reasons every single time. Like they bring up her stalker from the past out of nowhere in like the last 20 minutes. And it's like, okay, why was that

not part of the movie earlier then? Well, it's mentioned briefly when they say, uh, you know, as anyone ever been a victim of abuse, and again, she like, has a very telling look. No, no, nothing like that. I've never been a victim of abuse. Yeah, by the way, our feminist hero, Princess Beatrice, is in the room for that long. Yeah, that they do a shot at the end, the last episode, of like, girl boss Princess Beatrice taking, like, her seat and like, leaning in, in the room where like, girl boss Princess Beatrice taking her seat and leaning in, in the room

where all of her dad's lawyers are working out how to get him, like, protect him from extradition for sex crimes charges?! D- The whitewashing of Princess Beatrice is one of the- it's the most vile thing I've ever seen. L- Oh yeah. D- Cause there's a scene in this where Princess Beatrice heroically decides to go forward with her wedding and she does that while watching the actual footage of the real Virginia Jeffrey on Panorama, like getting interviewed and crying and she's

like, I, women have to stick together is the message. But like, obviously she's not, she's still like on her dad's side. It's like a whole... For something called a Very Royal Scandal, there's not much royal going on here. It's all just Prince Andrew, the royal family is completely absolved besides him. ALICE All they do with the royal family is turn it into the thick of it. There's a real like, the thick of it-ification in this, where every sort of third note that I make is like, the thick of it-ification in this, where like every sort of third note that I make is like, oh fuck, Emily Maitlis said the word fuck, Prince Andrew said cunt, and some of it lands quite falsely because one of the things that it does with the royals

is go, here's the Queen's like, press secretary, or here's the Queen's private secretary, very kind of like, effete, mannered, courtier, or whatever. By the way, by the third episode, we're giving him Malcolm Tucker lines. We're all like, he's talking about how this interview is getting like, you know, we're getting our shit sucked through a macerator, or whatever the fuck. Would this guy, who looks like the kind of like Alec McGuinness, the kind of Alec McGuinness George Smiley, talk this way, or are you just kind of trying to shock me still? My favourite is like the royal PR people coming, cause you never see Charles and you never

see the Queen. There is a really really funny bit where Andrew gets rattled by Charles over the phone though. Yes. He says I'm a mummy's boy! He's a mummy's boy! You fucked phone, though? Yes. He says I'm a mummy's boy! He's a mummy's boy! You fucked up, okay? You shouldn't have been bloody non-sing now, listen, this is how it's gonna be. There's so much of just, like, various royal aides coming in, listen, we've had a fucking

communique from upstairs. You know what I mean, fucking upstairs, Her Majesty! You, we do, You know what I'm fucking talking about right? Check out that dollar bill in your pocket. You're going to do as you're fucking told or you're going to be dead. I love the way that like the royal PR machine is portrayed because again, as you say, this is all like the whole series is alternating between like, oh, I'm sorry. Did I just shock you by saying fuck? And then like pieces to camera about what people think. And the piece to camera about like the orders essentially a piece to camera about the Royal

PR people is the these people are idiots that we have to defend from themselves because their lives are too frictionless. And if there is going to be a theme stated for this whole series, that seems to be basically it, but they just can't decide if that's like worthy of protection. Cause like, as I say, like it's one of the things that they sort of try to imply is that, Oh, well, maybe Emily Maitlis should have thought twice before embarrassing this man who is like too stupid and venal to understand when he's incriminating himself.

Yeah, this is the weird thing about it, which is that in a way, Prince Andrew is like the character that comes out of it the best because he just comes across as like mostly an idiot rather than malign. Now, whether that's true or not, who can say? But like, it's interesting that they've decided to like absolutely rat-fuck Emily Maitlis for no reason and attempt to sort of like weirdly rehabilitate Prince Andrew at the same time. If you were to say, how could you do the most,

like not sort of successfully sympathetic, but how could you try to make the most sympathetic Prince Andrew? It reminds me of, it also reminds me of, there was another, I think there was another show, I don't know if it was made by the same people, but that was about the OJ trial. Oh my God, one of the worst shows of all time. Ryan Murphy's OJ trial show.

And they were like, okay, we're going to make this show, a very Brentwood scandal. We're going to make this show and it's going to be really ambiguous as to whether or not OJ did it. And we're going to ignore the fact that he clearly did do it. And we're also going to have David Schwimmer running around just being like the juice, the juice. This is all I remember from that show. If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. The Kardashians come up in this, so there is a link.

There's a scene in that show where David Schwimmer, I'm sorry to divert here to digress, but- Yeah, so this is our most well-structured show. Come on. Yes. Oh my God. There's a scene in the OJ show where David Schwimmer as Robert Kardashian is sitting down with his daughters, Kim Kardashian, Khloe Kardashian, Courtney Kardashian at like a breakfast restaurant. And they're like being brats. They're like, give me the camera. I want to take a picture of myself. And he's like, girls, no matter what happens in the future, make sure that you never become

the Kardashians. In that moment, they truly became the Kardashians. Yeah, but just as like that show, when it was tried to be like, oh, let's leave it ambiguous as to whether or not OJ Simpson is like, you know, a murderer. This show is also saying, let's leave it ambiguous as to whether or not Prince Andrew is a pedophile. So as you say, Milo, it's like they're trying to do this weirdly even handed thing where they're like trying to compensate for the fact that like Emily Phelous is a normal journalist and Prince Andrew is a royal pededophile by being like okay we

need to try to make them coming we need to try to make it ambiguous between which one is good. NM by far the most cynical bit of this which which has he alluded to is like well he has daughters and there's a bit in the third episode where Maitlis feels this kind of regret and conflict over having done the episode because she's in St. James' Park jogging and she runs into Beatrice and Eugenie who just kind of like give her the death stare. And it's like, this is outrageous. What are we doing here? Okay, yeah, that's what I want from this show. I want Emily Maitlis' running playlist. Like the shots that we get of her, there's one where her husband begs her to go for a run. And then the next shot we get is of her running through the

park listening to Sky by Soneek, which is like such a choice. And then halfway through it just goes, and then it cuts off and it's like, Prince Andrew's pulled out of the interview. He's like, fuck, I'm not even out of breath. That's just what I sound like. One of my notes during the interview scene is just Cliff Richard, Wired for Sound video. And I think it's because it's because I was watching the music video for the song Wired for Sound by Cliff Richard, because I had seen this. I knew I know the interview. I've seen it 100 times for this fucking podcast.

I don't have to pay attention. That's why it's so weird is because you can watch this fucking podcast. I don't have to pay attention. That's why it's so weird is because you can watch this on YouTube, you can watch the real thing and yet both Scoop and this insist on filming the interview more or less in full. Yes, and I think Riley, the thing that you're getting at that it's trying to portray it as ambiguous as to whether or not Prince Andrew is guilty. I think that the real crazy thing about the show, like one of the crazy choices that they make that I am obsessed with, is that they genuinely, I think, try to portray it that like Prince Andrew is not competent enough to consent to have sex.

Like, it would have been tricked into doing it because he's so stupid. It's also kind of, they find a way to make it a woman's fault as well because the reason why he has this scene with Jeffrey Epstein, the only scene with Jeffrey Epstein, is not because he's like, you know, wanting to get Jeffrey Epstein to procure underage girls for him to abuse, right? It's because he wants Jeffrey Epstein to procure underage girls for him to abuse. It's because he wants Jeffrey Epstein to pay off his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson's debts, and he looks like this kind of embarrassed Toth who has been lured into the spider's web of this kind of mafioso pedophile.

Prince Andrew, the only crime he is guilty of is loving his wife too much. His ex-wife! Yeah, loving his wife. True love never dies. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, if the Queen is Tony Soprano in this show, he is Johnny Sack. He loves his wife.

He'll pay off her. He'll nounce anyone he has to pay off her debts. I genuinely laughed out loud. I laughed out loud at the scene where Prince Andrew goes to visit the Queen because he walks into the house, whatever the fuck the royal house, that one house that she's in is called, and he goes through the hallway. All the lights are off. All every single light in this entire show is turned off.

And then the Queen's door opens and it's out of focus inside the room. But I counted and you can see inside the room through the thin sliver of the door. You can see five lamps surrounding the queen and every single one of them is turned on. It's the only lights in the entire show that are turned on and it's like yeah, the queen has like this beacon of light, this truthful beacon of pure light, and they're like, it's the whole, like, a huge plot point in the show is like, oh, the Queen hates Andrew, and Andrew, meanwhile, is famously her favorite child. It's like they don't even- She feels betrayed by him. Like, when this interview drops.

I can't believe you betrayed me by having your crimes eventually become public. If you're speaking to mummy about these. They keep doing this thing, and it's the same thing that Scoop buys into, even more so given that this is determined to valorise Maitlis, right? Getting this interview, not just getting this interview, but doing this interview required some like, incredible journalistic acumen. When what seems to have actually happened, if you watch thing is, Maitless asks him, did you do any of the nonsing? And he panics and immediately says several, like, unforced admissions that make him sound extremely weird.

TZM- He crit fails the speech check. And, like, I... The real thing about this, all of these movies that we've watched, because it feels like we've watched a thousand of them. It feels like I've been watching these movies every day for my entire life. And the whole thing is that they are pretending to be about the truthful and brave and beautiful journalism of the BBC, when really the crazy thing about the Prince Andrew interview, I realized watching this, is that it is a spectacular failure of like modern PR or not even that. It's what the thing I actually realized by the end of this show was that it's a spectacular success of modern PR because the like royal families PR people were like, we got to cut Andrew We gotta just let him go on TV, go crazy,

because we gotta like, and then just cut him off, because like, he's a dead weight. If you wanna make the Godfather comparison, it's like, it's like taking credit for killing Fredo. Like, okay, who cares? Yeah, yeah. It's not, I feel like we are like doomed to watch every version of this movie in every universe.

We're living the plot of everything everywhere all at nons. Right? There we go. All right. of this movie in every universe. We're living the plot of everything everywhere all at nons. How long were you working on that one? The one thing that becomes clear in this movie versus scoop, right? Cause scoop is all about just like tricking Andrew's idiot PR people into letting him emulate himself on TV. Closer to being the story, right? Like by far. Yeah. Why, why are they so having a go at Maitless here? The amount of times you see her with her hair in rollers, the amount of time you see her spending thinking about shoes, it's such a bafflingly sexist portrayal of Emily Maitless

for no reason. Both of these movies are so sexist and it's really crazy. The fucking shoes bit, there's a bit where she walks into her editor's office at Newsnight and it's like, what should I wear for this interview? And she's got two pairs of heels and she's like, the monarchist, the conservative pair of heels or feminist, the sexy pair of heels. And her editor goes first wave or third wave. And she says third wave, obviously. And it's like, what are we doing here? What is this for?

She's not transphobic. She's not. That's for us. Cool. Fantastic. Also, I don't even know if that's true. Like I also think she might not. Of course she fucking is. Like she- No! But like- Yeah, of course. Oh my god.

It's so frustrating. It's really like, and there's like all these crazy little bits of being like, oh, Newsnight is one of the most important TV shows of all time. Newsnight is simultaneously strong and weak, right? It's both the underdog that's always on the chopping block, but it's also like, you know, this is the home of fearless journalism. What is the journalism though? Because this show makes it clear how they get all the facts, which is that people just email them. How do you get all the quotes from Virginia Jufre? It's like, well Panorama did the work and emailed us. And it's like, well, how did you get the interview with Prince Andrew? And it's like, well, he happened to email us about

Pitch at Palace, which by the way, Sam McAllister in this movie is shown as being uncritically supportive of them doing. Like, let's talk to Prince Andrew at Pitch at Palace. which by the way, Sam McAllister in this movie is shown as being uncritically supportive of them doing like, let's talk to Prince Andrew at Pitch and Palace. Yeah, this is so stupid that she's like, this is the actual story. Pitch and Palace thing. Sam McAllister is like, listen up babes. Okay, we're going to get, we're going to get Prince Andrew on. Right. I'm going to get my parents over from the Isle of Man where they're tax exiles. We're going to do Prince Andrew. Yeah, no, she is portrayed as like the woman who Hugh Grant is like gets caught sleeping

with in Bridget Jones and Emily Maitliss is Bridget Jones. So it's, but also like the only journalism that the Newsnight team does is receive emails and then present them to Prince Andrew. That's not true. Because there's no like researches besides panorama in this. We do see Maitliss doing her own research, which comprises like Googling Prince Andrew money at like three in the morning with a sort of like pint glass full of vodka in her hand. She learns something at one point from reading a five year old Mirror article online and I'm like, you are a journalist,

is this what journalism is now? Just reading other journalists? Every shot back to her it's just a progressively bigger glass of vodka until it's like top secret proportions. Can I say one thing though, is that she is doing rave her excellence by drinking vodka water throughout the entire... Yeah. Oh my god, the pingas are starting to kick in. Just carrying my rainwater butt full of vodka to Buckingham Palace. She had a half full bottle of Pepsi and she put a dropper of a few drops of GHB in it.

She's researching Jeffrey Epstein. I will say that like the bit that is accurate is that element of like, the stories that they'll sort of come across as like these big scoops are things where once you go back and I was like, oh, this was published by like a newspaper years and years ago and everyone ignored it. And now it's sort of become of interest for like some reason. And it's sort of like one of the questions I had both in scoop and in this is like, there's no sort of like reasoning behind why this becomes a story after a long time when it wasn't. So from what I remember in scoop, it was like, no, like the Andrew Epstein connections have

been there for a while and it was sort of actively, the impression was that this was actively ignored for like, this is too much of a tabloid story. But in this one, it seems like even though we have the story of like, yeah, Epstein kind of died, well, like Epstein was sort of arrested and then he like, you know, killed himself and stuff. So legally we are now allowed to do it. But it doesn't seem to sort of be like any kind of introspection as to like why this was left for so long or what sort of like it's most like, I was thinking about this in terms of, okay, are they going to contrast this to like the wall to wall coverage of like the Brexit sort of negotiations that was happening at the time? And they sort of touch on it, but they don't really go any further than that.

Yeah. Brexit, Brexit exists in this mostly to kind of set up Emily Maitlis sort of like running out of the house in the morning with the like toast in the mouth and the kind of like water cooler full of vodka being like fucking Brexit. And her husband's just like, please remember to eat some fibre today honey. No, it's, I, Hussein, I think I realised watching this movie, like after watching Scoop and after watching everything, I realised exactly what happened, okay, and the thing that is, they lie about, in both of these movies they lie about it. What definitely for real happened is that they had an appointment to have Prince Andrew on to genuinely talk for one hour about Pitchett Palace. And then Jeffrey Epstein died. And they were like, well, we got him,

maybe we should ask him about this. And they asked his people and his people are so incompetent, they were like, okay, that'd be pretty good. Because that's the thing about this. They were like, there are no revelations in that. Because I remember this at the time watching the News. I knew it was kind of like, OK, well, like he obviously looks like a dumbass because he talks about pizza express and about how he doesn't sweat. But other than that, everything that comes up in the interview is just stuff

that was already being reported on and was already known. Like they don't they the way that these programs portray it is as though they're like breaking this massive story, which they're not. just stuff that was already being reported on and was already known. The way that these programs portray it is as though they're breaking this massive story, which they're not. They're asking him about the story that's already out there, and he just goes, well I was in Pizza Express. And that's the only bit that's funny or interesting. That's one half of it, the other half of it is that they have to make the interview itself

seem consequential, and they devote a whole like hour and a half to this. Like the whole third episode and most, and like the back half of the second episode, are about the consequences for Andra of this. And they're mostly, like he spends a lot of time like walking around and shouting, right? In order to evade... I fought in the Falklands so I could go for a bloody walk! This is the one piece of characterisation of him I like, is that he will not hesitate to push the I fought in the Falklands button at anyone for no reason. No, that at some point, halfway through the second episode, his dialogue becomes like,

if a skit from a drag performance about making fun of Ronald Reagan was written by a straight person but about Prince Andrew because after a certain point he only talks about him he only talks about the Falklands or Mummy. Those are the two things he talks about for the rest of the fucking movie and those are the only two things and it's so like crazy that's one of the things I kind of liked about this movie is that every time it cut to Prince Andrew he would say like something like uh this is even worse than the Falklands I like the Falklands thing I like it's none too subtle about the idea that this is a guy who has not done anything with his life since right but like I kind of appreciate that

what I don't appreciate is the fact that he's usually doing this to fucking PC Rosencrantz and PC Guildenstern, because he has a royal security detail who mostly exists to do little bits about him. Yes, I know, he reminds me, his handler woman in this reminds me of a babysitter that my parents had to fire because she let me fall asleep in the tub. Can I say the other thing I really enjoy is the end of the second episode where they're

playing like it's after the hunt. Because again, they cannot stop doing intercut contrasting montages like Godfather. It's like what if that scene, the baptism in the murders in Godfather, what if it was every third scene in Godfather is what A Very Royal Scandal asks. Yeah, it's one of the bits of that movie that everyone likes. So therefore, you know, we'll make this movie five times as good by including it five times. Yeah, the Godfather is really dark, right? But so let's make it really dark.

There was one point where I looked away from it to drain some pasta from my lunch. And then I just had New Order's Blue Monday come on. And I was like, fuck off. Are they doing a montage of him in the Falklands to Blue Monday? Then I turned back and it was an advert. And I was like, but that was so plausible. So that was where my mind went. That would be so sad, like a TikTok fan cam of him doming Argentinians in Falklands.

Towards the end of episode two, Prince Andrew is out shooting and there's a shot, well the interview goes out, and there's a shot of Amanda Thirsk looking at her phone, noting what she has done. Which is like, oh god. ALICE This suffers very badly from the thing where a bunch of media professionals have Twitter notifications on for everything, and the lock screen is just like, every tweet about Prince Andrew. So she picks up her phone and it's like wall to wall, people calling him a nons. ZOE Yeah, and there's like a notes app thing on

her lock screen that says like, remember to tie your shoes today! Like, Amanda Thirsk right, a woman perfectly capable of incinerating her own reputation, and yet they do her so much dirtier in this, because not only is she Terry Calvary from the thick of it, but also they really lean quite hard on, she wants to fuck and or be Andrew's mum. Like, she watches him get dressed and stuff, she ties his shoes, it's not subtle. Yeah, the bit where she ties his shoes, I was like, is there a report of her doing that

anywhere? Cause if they made that up, that's crazy. Yeah, but this is also right, like, this is, she's looking at tweets from accounts, I wrote down some of the names, my favourite one was Princess Politica London, who in real life, whose Twitter screen name would be Princess Politica London, XX, adult human female. I just, the thing about her getting on her knees and tying her shoes, right, is that he then looks out of the window to see Emily Maitlis having her Bridget Jones moment where both of her shoes are falling off. She's spilling vodka everywhere, like curlers are falling out of her hair and moment where like, both of her shoes are falling off, she's spilling vodka everywhere, like, curlers are falling out of her hair, and he's like, ah this is

- F**k I've just shat myself, and these are my lucky interview pants. My shoes are tied, dumb lady. Yeah, and he's just like, yeah, this should be easy, and it's implied that this makes him overconfident enough to like, say all of the weird s**t. Yeah, I was really thrown where, unlike Scoop in this, when they do the prep for the interview, it wasn't in a map from Rainbow Six Siege. It was in just a normal room.

The BBC Kill House? That's why they train the interviewers. The other thing about this too, is that Scoop makes the concession that Prince Andrew can be likeable and charming, whereas this one doesn't grant him that power. So what you have is Amanda Thirsk, this woman who is perfectly in love with and perfectly taken in by this guy, who is just relentlessly abusive to everyone around him all the time, unless he's saying something incredibly stupid and self-incriminating. And also, this has just occurred to me, but the implication of the portrayal of Mate Liss

is that she's like a savant interviewer. She's like a pure talent player, you know, like Gascoigne or Best. She can turn up to the match stinking of vodka and cigarettes and having been up all night and still smash the interview because she's just that good. Like she just plays on feel alone. Everyone's like, God, she looks fucked. She just goes, yeah, what about you being a non-standard? Fuck, she's got him. They could have said a dog in the seat opposite.

Come out as a pedophile. Can I talk about one of my other favorite scenes? Is the game of charades at the end of episode 2 that's full of both farting noises and also ominous music. Yes, oh my god. And there's a part where he goes, he walks out out both episode 1 and episode 2 and with him in Like a house a man or playing a game with someone and then walking to a different room that somehow looks like it's outside But it is also in his house and it is even darker than the room He was just in like there's even less lights on and it's him being told that there's an important phone call for him

it's like they really portray him as like, if Lenny from Of Mouse and Men was given a billion dollars. Like, the president of the country. They don't even have the confidence to suggest that this is weird on their own, so they always fall back on this crunch of these two cops who are just like, stood outside while he's making farting noises, being like, yeah, it was a bit weird, isn't it? Yeah, this, this jumped out at me because they make a whole thing of just like the comms team trying to get hold of him while he's on this shooting weekend and because, because

you know, everyone's calling him and all and they can't get hold of him because he's like turned his phone off because he's focused on the birds. But then it's like, okay, why don't you call one of the two special branch cops who have to be stood next to him at all times? Why don't you just do that? Like, the idea that like a British prince can drop off the map is so just like willfully absurd. No, and this, this I think is the absolute craziest thing in both of these movies that is completely brushed over is that both of these movies are like, yeah, by the way, the, the, like, the queen could have legally pulled this story and stopped it from airing, but she just didn't. And they're like, each of these has like a different reason for say, for like like why that didn't happen and

neither of those reasons are very satisfactory. Neither of them make sense in scoop. It's just like I don't even remember what it fucking wasn't scoop. But in this one, it's just that like it's Andrews Handler saw like a jingle like wind chimes outside and got distracted. So I got to like text and be like, do you want me to pull this story about you being a pedophile? Cause you look really bad. It's like, hang on. Like that's crazy that both of these movies acknowledge that like Buckingham Palace had the capability to stop

both of the like to stop this from happening. They had the capability to stop it from airing and they acknowledge that and they just like are like, yeah, but they just didn't. Anyways, that's not the interesting thing here. The real interesting thing is Emily Maitlis feeling sad because she's- I love this. This is one of my other favorite scenes is at the beginning of Andrew three, at the beginning of episode three, Andrew three is going to be the title of the next episode we do where we talk about another one of these. Um, where this like American anchor says, tell us Emily, how does it feel to take down a member of the monarchy? And Emily Maitlis is like momentarily sad. Like she's weird about this is that there's a couple

of American voiceovers in this and they couldn't get anyone who could do a convincing American accent here. of them. I'm right here! Come on! There's a really funny bit where that American anchor's talking to Maitlis and then Maitlis is going into the details like, well, you know, Prince Andrew was very candid with me. And then at the American anchor just goes like, wow, so interesting. In like, the most, like, I don't give a fuck tone of voice I've ever heard.

So the other thing is, so after that airs, then we have the probably like the worst conversation of the entire three episodes, which is Beatrice being like, I think I should call off the wedding. And Andrew being like, no, don't have this stupid interview getting in the way of your special day. But they twisted your words.

It's like meant to like humanize him a bit, right? So he loves his daughters and he doesn't want somebody. Why are they humanizing him? Have you seen Beatrice and Eugenie, the two least human looking women on earth? Yeah, no, they are definitely stone cold psychopaths. They look like pugs. Well it's actually very cruel what they've done to Beatrice and Eugenie within breeding. That's just frankly true.

That's not even a joke, that's just true. Like, there's a scene where Beatrice is in the backseat of a car, like, pulling into the house or whatever, the palace, and there are all these, like, paparazzi around her, and it's one of those, like, inner cut scenes where it's like, oh yeah, we've totally bodied the royal family, it's sick. Like, I think it's the cut that happens right after they ask, like, how does it feel to take down a royal? And then it cuts to Beatrice looking sad in the back seat of a car as, like, the paparazzi snaps photos of her. ALICE Everybody is fighting their own battle, and you don't even know what that is. Sometimes it's like your dad being a paedophile, I guess. ZACH Yeah, I feel like in

reality Beatrice would have been, like, just staring straight ahead, like, I feel like that's that's like she's like one of those people that is in an airplane and doesn't listen to music or watch a movie. They just stare straight at the scene in front of them for five hours. They should have shot the father of the bride speech in full. They grow up so fast, don't they? Yeah, I know it. Anyway, it's great to be here, obviously. Well, not so great, you know. Sorry. No, I'm kidding, I'm just joking. This is my second public speaking engagement of the month, let's hope it goes better than the last one.

Anyway, he definitely said that for real, he definitely said that. And everyone laughed, every single person definitely laughed. Because I looked up Beatrice after this and I'm like, what? Did she cut him off or something? And every single article is like, she's so torn. Of course she did. She's just playing. She's gonna get fucking dysplasia in a couple of years or whatever. You might have heard that there's a woman coming after me for my money, but enough about

this wedding. Do you write Prince Andrew's father of the price? This is fire. No one's applying for that. Can I say by the way, my other favorite scene, I have so many favorite scenes is like Prince Andrew deals with the guilt of being relieved from his royal duties, which is just like, he's still Prince Andrew, he's just not like ribbon cutting anymore. By like running to the kitchen and cleaning a dish. Yeah, I actually, I quite like this bit that he's shit at doing dishes because he's never done it before. And so he's just kind of like yelling at his stuff, furiously

scrubbing this giant baking tray and getting water everywhere. I kind of like this. Also, I like the idea of applying for the job as Andrew's like joke writer and trying to get him on like, have I got news for you as a guest host is the first step back. I'm, I'm carrying on the have a word podcast. All I can picture is Anthony Jezzelnik like auditioning to be Prince Andrew's joke writer and being like, the last kid I raped fucking son, they didn't even call me Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew should start his own podcast called Mummy's Basement. It's like him and Lawrence Fox and Gary Glitter. Wouldn't it be called like Call Me Mummy or something?

And it would just be like, call me mommy or something and it would just With an exclamation point an angry You've got to stop taking calls because people keep calling you a mummy's boy and you keep calling them a mummy's boy in response and it's not fascinating listening. They're saying you're cringe, Andrew. You're not very base at all, Andrew. Milo Yiannopoulos, this is his next pick up for his... The denouement of the whole thing is then the question of like, oh, is Emily Maitlis

now too guilty from embarrassing Prince Andrew to continue on being a journalist and news night? And what will Prince Andrew do now that he's like had to wash one dish one time? And like, because they're like, we have to fill another half hour. There's a completely implausible bit where the Queen's private secretary, fucking George Smiley, shows up to deliver the epic royal clapback to Andrew, because he's doing the like, you know, where will I go, what will I do thing, and this guy is like, you have to live with the consequences of your actions in this completely dark room, where they don't

even, they can't even afford to have somebody make the tea, and nobody knows how to make it themselves. R You lift a kettle? I've got sciatica. And for the listeners who haven't watched this and don't, if you're listening to this, do not watch this. This, I really cannot stress enough how dark this is visually. It is impossible to see what's going on at any point. It is like, I genuinely like twice thought that I was like, there's no way my TV brightness isn't accidentally all the way down. It was just fully up.

I turned it all the way up and it didn't help at all. It's just, it's not well done in so many ways. By trying to fit it into the Batman, the new like, Batman TV show universe. Where everything is still dark in that TV. I mean, they basically have Michael Sheen wearing a sort of Colin Farrell amount of prosthetics in this. Yeah. Why did Michael Sheen agree? Like Michael Sheen is like an actually good actor. I don't know if he is though. I'm going to be real. This might be controversial. He's played Tony Blair lots of times. Why?

He's been good in other things, but in this? Well, the same with Ruth Morgan. He's the go-to, like, British main guy, who's also a character actor guy. It's like, oh, we couldn't get Steve Coogan, let's go to the second person to roll it. He's kicking the shit out of Ruth Wilson as mate, Liz. I don't know what Ruth Wilson was smoking.

I guess, like, the Twilight money sort of ran out, and he's got a mortgage to pay still, so... I love him love him. That's the only thing I've ever liked. Twilight. Honestly, I remember when I was 12, I rented the movie, The Damned United on just for no reason on iTunes. Interesting choice. Like in Buffalo, New York, like a little gay little 12 year old for no reason watching The Damned United doesn't even follow soccer or no one. I was like, damn is in the title. That's cool as fuck. And I was like, this movie fucking blows. This is so boring. The back half of the last episode, which they're just trying to find stuff to talk about. They're

like, okay, well, I guess the drama now is going to be will Prince enter get extradited? Will it go to trial? Are they just gonna pay the hush money? And again, we know what happens, but in order to make it dramatic... They pay the hush money because of Princess Beatrice doing the, like, lean in girl boss thing as well. Yeah. Yes. Prince Andrew is desperate to go to trial to clear his name, but also it becomes a kind

of, like, farce comedy because he has to run away from process servers. But that's very easy because he has to run away from processed surfers. But that's very easy, because he's surrounded by guards all the time. ALICE That's the sole moment of, like, drama they can muster up in the third episode, beyond, like, kind of cynically hitting you with, uh, by the way, Emily Maitlis had a stalker, is to be like, oh, you have to leave the house now in case you get, like, subpoenaed. RILEY Yeah.

And officers of the court in full ghillie suits trying to track down Prince Andrew on the Balmoral estate. Listen, soap, we've got to serve these papers to Prince Andrew. I know what color the boathouse at here was. I was there. It's very dark in here. They've turned off all the lamps. Put on your night vision goggles.

What I also think is funny is that this uses an exact shot from Sicario, but instead of driving a Mexican drug lord out of Mexico to Texas, they're doing the overhead drone tracking shot with the low drone music of Prince Andrew running away from a process server. No, and honestly, the thing is that for real is probably as depicted in this movie the realest danger facing him because it's so clear that obviously the royal family has the power to stop that from happening, but it seems for a little bit in this that they do have just decided not to.

Like, you know, if they get you, whatever, we can't help. Just Prince Charles being like, skill a shoe. He's like, who's going to tie my shoe? Please. The timeline where Prince Andrew gets extradited to the US is just like a very funny one. Prince Andrew in some kind of like federal prison. I've been invited to join the Latin Kings. I explained that I'm a prince already. I'm not sure if that's a-

The other thing I love is like to have, Emily Mayliss like leaves her job of newsreading to become a podcaster. And like they make actual mugs that Emily gives to her team with a picture of like Michael Sheen as Prince Andrew on it with like a meme font that's like no sweat or whatever. Yeah, no sweat. Just to make sure that this woman who we've seen is like, very conflicted about this, is still ultimately like, a kind of a piece of shit. Yeah. I would love, number one, I don't, if you're listening to this, and you work at Amazon Prime,

MGN Studios, I want the mug with Michael Sheen on it. I think the worst part about this is using the actual Virginia Dufre footage instead of casting someone as her. It's vile. I truly, I have it in my notes that the, hang on. Like if you're going to use it at all. Really one of the most vile, really one of the most vile scenes in recent memory. Prince Andrew's daughter heroically deciding to get

married while watching the Virginia Jeffrey Panorama interview. And by the way, that's why they got that the information from Panorama. Clearly they don't have very high standards for giving their their shit to people because they gave this interview to this fucking like true. Yeah. Yeah. That's why they got that information. They're like, oh, Panorama never gives anything to us. This image of like BBC shows as being like the FBI and the CIA and the NSA before 9 11. Like we, we, everyone's now all wrapped up. We have a long shot of Prince Andrew looking sad and mournfully in the distance. And by the way, we know like he's fine. He's back to his royal duties. He was walking in the Queen's funeral. Like the, the small things that could have happened to him, we know, we know from the

last time we did this exact show, didn't happen to him. Yeah, it doesn't thread the needle of, like, I'm sure he was very upset, but, like, not because anything consequential really happened to him. And then they were like, where are they all now? It's like, Prince Andrew is still the prince. Emily Maylis became a podcaster. Princess Beatrice is VP of strategy at a software company and is also allowed to do the king's job for him when he's sick. Yeah. Jeffrey Epstein is still dead. Gilly Maxwell is in a prison that's about to get

hit by a hurricane in Florida. Jeffrey Epstein alive in Serbia? Question. Prince Andrew's arc in this is is genuinely like that he it's played like he has just learned that he has a learning disability and everyone's been lying to him about it his entire life because he's like, no, I do. I can do things and he's washing dishes. It's like so fucking crazy. It's that check this shit out. Flowers for Algenon. All right. I'm going to send a made a new a new episode. Oh, my God. I have so much more to talk about this for 10 hours. I'm being so serious. One more thing I want to say.

One more thing I want to say is that one of my favorite little things is that during the nighttime shots, whenever it was outside and people were talking outside of a building, every single light inside the house is on. And when they go in the house, they're all turned off. Like it's, that was just a sky box in a PS2 game. But yeah, that's the last thing I'll mention. Well, look, I loved talking about this movie, this mini series way more than I loved watching it. This has been so much fun. It was almost worth three hours of my life.

It was almost as long as Dances with Wolves. I wanted to kill myself. Dances with Wolves. There you go. When the third episode started, I was praying for death. Also, there's a moment where Prince Andrew is walking towards the interview. He's about to do the interview Also there's a moment where Prince Andrew is walking towards the interview, he's about to do the interview, and there's a great line where he says, uh, are you sure about this? With a woman journalist nonetheless? It's like, okay, come on.

Come the fuck on, man. My line has made me sound like a man. My favourite bit of this is the little bit of devotion it gives to Emily Maitlis' iconic jacket. A thing no one has thought about since. Ever. Yeah, and his, her soy husband is the one who's like, what are you gonna wear tomorrow? She's like, I'm thinking I'm gonna wear my iconic jacket. You're gonna wear your Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club jacket. I think that would really sort him out. Another great wardrobe moment is the the soy husband walking in and like when she, when he asks her about the jacket, he's wearing the worst sweater I've ever seen.

It's like a sweater with a collar that and the collar is turned up. And I really like, I don't know, you would have to watch this to see it, but don't watch it. The whole thing on the iconic jacket, which I'll say before we wrap up, is like, and again, this is going to be a reference that maybe none of you or almost no one listening will get, but in the season five of the show Bones, they have to solve the Kennedy murder. Like the Bones team has to solve the Kennedy murder and the, cause their work for the FBI, they get the Carcano rifle that Lee Harvey Oswald uses and David Boreanaz looks at the Carcano rifle and says,

wow, the most hated weapon in America. The most hated jacket in the royal family. Anyway. Wow. I really wish this was a Toyota Prius. A new Toyota Tundra with a brand new backup camera. Yeah, look, depends if you're in the CIA or the mob, you know, is it the most hated weapon? It's a bones of bones. We're never going to get to the crime

scene on time. Don't worry booth. The Toyota Yaris, the Toyota Yaris X drive has a flight navigation system. Okay, we got to stop. We got to wrap this up. Hessa, I'm so sorry that this is like your role on our show. Hey, I any it's a pleasure, it's truly an honor and a pleasure at- under any circumstances. I genuinely feel like a head hot after talking about this show so much. And thank you all of course. Do you wanna come on Kill James Bond to talk about this exact same series for another three hours? Yes, oh wait wait, before we go, Riley, can, have you told everyone what my idea for this episode

was? Because Riley messaged me on Twitter and was like, there's a new Prince Andrew thing. And I immediately, with no hesitation, sent back, okay, here's the plan. What if we just watch the movie Cats and pretend and review it and keep calling it a very royal scandal and keep calling the main cat Prince Andrew and keep calling the other cat Emily Maitlis and just like never reference that that's what we're doing. And Riley was like, I don't know. Maybe next time. Maybe next time. All right. Thank you for being a Patreon supporter. Thank you once again, Hesse.

If you like Hesse, you can check out more of her on Seeking Derangements or Movie Mindset. So do give those a check and otherwise we'll see you sans me on the next free episode because I'm going to be in Berlin. Sorry about it, everybody. Yeah. Emily Maitlis is going to be taking up Riley's mind. I just have a deep voice. We're not the same woman. You have a, you have a much higher voice than this portrayal of Emily

Maitlis. I loved Emily Maitlis in the venture brothers. I thought that was so good. She wishes I am, I'm duty bound to tell you all about my UK tour because it is so soon. Specifically, Glasgow, 23rd of October, Dundee, 25th of October, Newcastle, 26th of October, Edinburgh, 27th of October. Those are all really soon. Please grab tickets to those. There are many other dates also which are further away, so I won't name them individually, but I'm coming to many cities near you. There will be a link in the show notes or just go to my website. Thank you. So one more thing. I, Seeking Derangements is doing an election night live show on November 5th in New York. And I know you have New York listeners because I was one of them before

I was a guest. So come on out to that. Buy tickets, Seeking Derangements. You can see it on my Twitter and anywhere it's called Electile Dysfunction. It's going to be fun. You know that there's an actual British comedy as a British news podcast that competes with Emily Maitlis' podcast called Electoral Dysfunction that's hosted by like three former MPs. Awful. It's also, we discovered that it's the title

of an Alan Dershowitz novel. All right, all right. Bye everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye.