Triforce! - Triforce! #221: Shout, Knock, Rattle, Shove, Flashbang

Episode Date: May 26, 2022

Triforce! Episode 221! Our boomer parents are coming down so we're on our best behaviour, Lewis remembers his teenage invulnerability and Sips and Pyrion cry watching adverts. Support your favourit...e podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:18 podcast. Thank you for joining us once again. I am Gandalf the Grey. One of my favourite things on the calendar every week this is. He loves it. To catch up with my two favourite dads. Yeah. And, you know, pick their brains.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Second and third favourite dads. Your dad should be your favourite dad. True. Oh, I completely forgot about my dad. Yeah. So my dad's coming down tomorrow actually he is um he's coming down with my mom yeah are you gonna see him they well they independently booked to go to the van gog go interactive exhibit that i went to fucking last week come on really yeah so i went there
Starting point is 00:02:00 last week and i thought it was awful and And I talked about it on this podcast. Yeah, I talked about it. Yeah, yeah. It was, they obviously, I don't know. I don't know if they're fans, if they just felt like an excuse to come down, if they like got caught up in the, it's got good marketing or something. I don't, I don't rate it. It's got to have good marketing, right?
Starting point is 00:02:20 Like if you went and now your parents are going, like they've been just marketing the shit out of that thing. Yeah, a couple of my friends have been, independently. I don't know whether it's dropping ads or something. I don't know. It's probably TikTok ads. That's where they would have seen it, for sure.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Yeah, they would have seen it on the Tok. Or is it called- Do people call it the Tok or the Tick? I call it the Tok. It's gotta be the Tok, right? You can't call it the Tick, because the Tick is already reserved by- there's a to be the talk right you can't call it the tick because i the the tick is already uh reserved by there's a superhero called the tick there is yeah and uh there's a uh real arsehole of an insect called the tick as well that's true and also are they insects i'm not sure if they're
Starting point is 00:02:58 insects or something else they gotta be i don't know what the hell else they would be. They look very insect-like. It's probably like an arthropod. An arthropod? What's an arthropod? Is that a thing? I don't think it's an arthropod. He goes to a Van Gogh museum and he thinks he's a rocket scientist. They're arachnids! No, they're arachnids! Yeah, but they're spiders, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:03:17 Yeah, it's different, isn't it? I mean, they're clearly not spiders. They're arachnids. No, but arachnids are like, generally... Oh, scorpions are arachnids then, I guess, as well. I think they're scorpids. Maybe they're arachnids, I could be wrong. I think they're scorpids. I think they're arachnids. I think they're arachnids. I think's like arachnids are like generally oh scorpions arachnids
Starting point is 00:03:26 then i guess i think they're scorpions maybe they're arachnids i could be wrong is it something to do with the amount of legs that they have or something so arachnids don't go down into that rabbit hole it's pretty spooky it won't take long it won't take long a class of joint-legged invertebrate animals in the subphylum. Chelicerata. Arachnida include, among others, spiders. That's probably the noise they make. Chelicerata.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Chelicerata. Spider scorpions, ticks, mites, pseudoscorpions, harvestmen, camel spiders, whip spiders, and vinegaroons. I don't know what a vinegaroon is. It sounds like one of the guys who would hold up a stagecoach. It's I, Vinigaroon! Jogging the Vinigaroons! Vinigaroon.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Ludicrous name for an animal. It's probably horrible, though. I just looked at a picture. It's horrible. It's like a spider scorpion. Your dad's on his way down. My dad is here already. My mum and dad have been here for a couple of days now and uh i have happy pappy lovets i have been dadding it up like there's no
Starting point is 00:04:34 tomorrow man i'm like a i'm a taxi service i'm a chef yeah are they old enough that you now have to like to drive them everywhere and technically no but it still somehow works out that way so right you know there you go it's just uh it's one of those do you answer the phone you know hello jersey taxi service is that your like little yes that's that's my yeah that's my my little dad banter yeah i yeah no i i No, I wouldn't do that because I feel like it would be triggering, you know, for the person on the other end of the line, you know? Right. It's like it's being too sassy, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:05:17 Oh, I see. It's being too aware. Yeah, yeah. It's realizing that they're an imposition on you. Maybe it's being like too edgy or something you know wow this is uh you've turned over a new leaf are you on like super nice mode at the moment yeah i don't know i just i feel like uh like every time my parents visit i i feel like um i reference this often but i just find it so funny uh i don't know if you remember the
Starting point is 00:05:42 father ted episode where they kick bishop brennan up the arse and he's just like stunned for like a week. He's so shocked about it. He can't fucking believe that it's happened. And he's just in this like state of shock. He can't function. He's like a zombie, right? That's what I'm like when my parents come over. I'm just like that the whole time they're here.
Starting point is 00:06:01 I just like can't believe what's going on. Like I can't believe how's going on like i can't believe how um much hassle like i'm i'm given like you know what i mean it's just like i just have all these extra things to do and stuff so don't you feel like here's the thing when my mom that my parents being divorced the last time they were in the same room was when i got married so and then they're gonna when my sister gets married this year that's the next time that they're going to be in the same room. So they have not shared a room. Wow, your sister's getting married next year?
Starting point is 00:06:28 No, she's getting married this year. Oh my God. Sorry. Yeah. So they have not been in the same room. So I always get them independently and it's a very different experience. Yeah. And don't you find that specifically
Starting point is 00:06:42 when your mum comes up to stay, because we've had my dad here to stay. He very chill he just basically sits there like a plant and sort of chills and you know chuckles and chats to the kids and watches tv my mom is very different um she's like wants to be doing things if something needs doing she won't just let you do it she starts doing it my mom is nearly 80 and i want her to sit down and relax and enjoy life and not do the fucking washing up the moment that the last fork has touched the plate and everybody's finished dinner she's like like i don't know how she like teleports to the sink and she's doing i'm like please don't do that hey we have a dishwasher and b you keep breaking stuff
Starting point is 00:07:21 so uh don't um so But you can't say that. I know, but the thing is, I've decided like Sips, being that stunned state, after a couple of days of sort of getting used to the fact, especially if she's here for like a decent chunk of time, I just sort of ignore her when she's doing that stuff. I just tune her out when she's having some boomer opinion. And this is what gets me when people call me a boomer
Starting point is 00:07:45 when you spend time with actual boomers you realize oh my god that's why people don't like boomers because they never stop fucking booming they really don't oh man it's just like when the older they get too they just get so locked in their ways you know and they just cannot handle the fact that life is moving on like quickly without them you know they're just definitely my my dad has some some sometimes comes out with something slightly dated and i'm i'm i'm always like look at that colored fellow over there lewis yeah you can't it's weird though i don't know if you have this kind of relationship with your parents but like i wouldn't challenge mine you know what i but like I wouldn't challenge mine.
Starting point is 00:08:25 You know what I mean? Like I wouldn't I wouldn't be like, well, you see, the thing is actually like I just wouldn't like I don't want to have. I used to, but it doesn't sink in. Yes, that's the thing. The rigidity of their brain is maybe getting old. Your brain starts to harden and new ideas. I'm the same. I've tried before, but it just like i might as well slam my head into a wall they'll go oh interesting oh no maybe you're right but then
Starting point is 00:08:51 they'll express the exact same opinion 10 minutes later like you never had this conversation so i just gave up i just gave up or or the classic and maybe your parents don't do this but mine do from time to time they like they almost like throw it back in your face too you know like you'll be talking about something or something will go not in your favor uh relating to the opinion that you expressed and then they'll kind of turn around be like see he told you so told you you shouldn't have trusted those people or whatever and you're just like okay fuck it's like it's this one really isolated specific thing all all right? You didn't get me. You have not got me. Like, it's just- I'm not gotten.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Oh, man. Yeah. I think there's obviously certain, like, landmarks, right, in our history where we've kind of become accepting of certain things, right? And I think, you know, racism is still a thing, definitely, but's a lot but the older generation now pretty much aren't too problematic with that i think the previous generation were a little bit and now i think then it became like you know sort of a broad acceptance of gay people and um now it's becoming a broad acceptance of trans people but i think like that that's another 20 years from
Starting point is 00:10:05 now right we are going to see you know problems with old people being biased these ways because it takes a long time for it to filter through for them to die out is what it is yeah i i think like but some things like hating immigrants seems to be pretty persistent oh yeah that's all the rage i'd say like no one we haven't i think broadly i think society has not broadly accepted that you know yeah immigrants are not bad like there's always they're very easy to blame i mean here's the thing that every country in europe has problems with uh like you know immigrants in terms of certain political parties will be running on a platform of there's too many of them they should go home? We were kind of ahead of the curve on that
Starting point is 00:10:48 with Brexit, because that was, regardless of what people say, that was a big factor, was that we didn't have control of our borders and stuff like that. Now, just to correct something, and I'm sure I'll get some fucking posts about this. When we pushed, and it was us pushing when we were in the EU to get Eastern Europe into the EU, everybody else in Europe set hard limits on the number of people from those countries that could move to their countries within a certain timeframe. Everybody. We didn't.
Starting point is 00:11:14 Under Labour, they were like, I don't think that many will come. And like two to two and a half million people came here from places like Poland and all the other Eastern European countries. And Tony Blair subsequently said, we had no idea it was going to be that many. We just fucking dropped the ball on it. here from places like poland and and all the other eastern european countries yeah and tony blair subsequently said we had no idea it was going to be that many we just fucking dropped the ball on it that influx of people flip people's minds because as much as people like to think that conservative just means fiscal policy or you don't like brown people or whatever a lot of the time it's just people who don't like change they want everything to to remain the same from when they were younger all the way to when
Starting point is 00:11:46 they're older. The same, the same, the same. They want to conserve the status quo. And when you suddenly drop two and a half million people from outside England into England or Britain, then it freaks some people out and they can't handle it. I don't think there's ever been a problem in places like London or Bristol or other big cities. Bigger cities for sure, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Rural areas, I can't imagine it would be so much of a problem either because I know maybe this is the case in the UK as well, but certainly in Jersey, the agricultural industry is hinged on the fact that immigrants do come over and will work those jobs like yeah i i i'm generalizing but i'd say most people uh who are born and bred locally uh when they leave school want to work in like an office or a bank or you know whatever right is the the kind of you know um job of of the day sort of thing. And not many of them are queuing up to go work in fields and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:12:52 But you know what I mean? Like a lot of seasonal workers from like Romania, for example. The money doesn't go as far. It doesn't go as far. Well, yeah, they'll come over here and they'll work those jobs. And they're absolutely essential. Like we just wouldn't have any food to harvest. This stuff is like... The thing is, this has happened in every country, and it happened in America, and then the idea
Starting point is 00:13:13 was that the seasonal workers would... The thing that happened in America was they put up this wall to stop people coming in. They need them so badly. But the seasonal workers came in anyway, but then they couldn't get out that was the thing and so they ended up staying because it was too much faff to go home and come back and go home because over here i know a lot of it like a lot of their um like the bigger farms especially the ones that are sort of like part of like the the big co-ops and stuff they have like you know lodgings they have everything they've got all these systems for paying them seasonally, but then I think there's systems
Starting point is 00:13:51 to pay them beyond that, to incentivise them to come back next season, and all sorts. They really have had to put all this stuff together to get people over. I think immigration, this whole thing is... It's like this idea of veiled racism right i watched this documentary about about it's really interesting it's a wild wild country it's on netflix it was out a while ago is that the one where the thumbnails got like a guy with a beard yes i know nothing about it except for there's a indian okay yes yeah well so he's this Indian guru, like all Indian gurus, who seems to get loads of Western followers
Starting point is 00:14:27 into his sort of slightly offbeat spiritual guidance. And, you know, people go to India and they have a spiritual awakening and they fucking meditate and shag each other and, you know, the usual, right? And so what happened was he obviously was pushed out of India for tax evasion or whatever. This is wild, wild country, right? So we literally spoke about this like 20 episodes ago. Did we?
Starting point is 00:14:51 I mean, literally half an hour discussion. That's why I must be recalling it. Just in case we wanted to not do it again. Okay. I can't remember talking to you about it, but basically I watched it. There's one bit where, so they settle in Oregon next to this like tiny town of like 40 people and it's so funny because there's this bit in the documentary where basically the the 40 people of antelope are so kind of racist against any kind of immigration but at the same time so they're saying like well
Starting point is 00:15:22 they've got like a concentration camp going on there you know they're like hitler and then the other the other side you know the the hindus they're sort of the indians or the religious followers are like we're being persecuted right they're like hitler and so they're instantly it's both jump to call each other hitler. And you can totally see it from both angles, right? In a sense. It's kind of like a cult, but it's not a cult. And it's problematic, but it's not problematic. It's a bonkers story.
Starting point is 00:15:56 It really is. But it sums up the... I think it's an exaggerated vision of... I mean, for example, I remember we were... I was talking about this on stream maybe last year, and I was going around some random, I was trying to find towns in England specifically that were like really
Starting point is 00:16:12 crappy places to live, like Doncaster and places like that. No offense to anyone from Doncaster, but it's a dump. It's a good example of one of the worst places. And I was just going around on Google Street View, and you'd be surprised how many of these places where you think no one's going to come to Britain and move to Macclesfield or whatever they do and on the high street there's all Polish shops and there's like halal butchers
Starting point is 00:16:34 and just walking around you see people that are clearly from outside the UK just you know the way they dress or the way they look or the shops that they go to and I think for a lot of those towns they were like they're taking over. And if you are a plumber and suddenly you're competing with Polish plumbers, those people freak out and they're like, this is not fair. The thing is that we're going to find is that when all those people are booing out or told to leave, the prices for everything are going to go through the fucking roof. And that is certainly the case.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Things have gone up in my experience. Things have become more expensive trying to get stuff done. And I mean, you know, to whose benefit is this? I guess this is great for the plumbers, but it fucking sucks for everybody else. And I know food costs have gone up partly because of the war and inflation, a bunch of other reasons. But things are just more expensive. We have to fucking import everything now.
Starting point is 00:17:20 And a lot of the stuff that we were growing that we're exporting, we can't fucking export it now because, you know, they're going to gonna get from somewhere else so it's a big fucking shit show but i think at its root it really came down to the fact that people just don't like foreigners turning up taking in fucking jokes that's it and yeah i get it but like uh at the same time i don't like it just it doesn't make any fucking sense i don't know i don't know i think america that prides itself on being built of they've got such a short memory do you mean they they they were built out of immigrants a couple of hundred years ago and that's the thing germans scandinavians you know people from britain and italish and immigrants are slightly suspicious i mean
Starting point is 00:18:05 when the italians turned up they were like oh this is close to the line you know why would you leave italy it's perfectly nice there man oh man yeah i don't know it is america for americans and that's how they defend it as well they're like well i just want there to be americans here it's like well i mean it's a they call it like dog whistle politics, right? When they talk about real Americans, what they mean is white Americans a lot of the time and stuff like that. Yeah. People don't count, where are you really from?
Starting point is 00:18:32 But we do the same thing over here. I remember when I was at school, there were like, I mean, it was in Bournemouth. So there were, let me think, one, two, three non-white kids in a school of a thousand kids, right? Which is unimaginable in london you would have to specifically close the gates of the school uh or a whole bunch of places in britain really i mean the idea of going to like bradford and having a school of a thousand kids and three of them are not white is like well you had to do this deliberately um but bournemouth was just a place where it was just a very very white place and. And people would always ask, where are you from to these kids?
Starting point is 00:19:07 And they'd be like Bristol or whatever. You know, they would say where they were from. No, no, where are you really from? Like that's a that's an implied thing is if you are not white and you're in a country that is majority white, you must have snuck in somehow. We don't really belong here. You know, you're just visiting sort of thing. So as the numbers of those people start to go up, people feel their country is being being taken over and that's why we get all this bullshit it's uh it's crazy yeah it sounds like an innocent question but it it isn't you know especially if you ask it to someone who isn't
Starting point is 00:19:36 white in a white place you know i mean yeah it's a it's a funny it's easy for people to like i'm sure people are culturally aware and they'll say, oh, my family's originally from Hong Kong or somewhere. But, you know, I think that said with a strong Bournemouth accent. Right, Mush, yeah. For example, like, if you meet someone
Starting point is 00:19:55 and they've got a strong accent, if they've got a strong accent, I'll ask them where they're from regardless. Because it's interesting. Like, we had some neighbours move in recently. They had a very strong Scandinavian accent. I couldn't tell if it was, it was very strong. I couldn't tell if it was Danish or Swedish. And I aired on the side of Swedish. I said, are you guys Swedish? They were like, yes.
Starting point is 00:20:11 I was like, wow, that's awesome. And we chatted a bit about Sweden and stuff. I'm perfectly comfortable asking them that question because they have a strong accent, but the black lady that lives down there, I'm not going to be like, where are you from? Because she'd probably be like, fucking Fulham, you idiot. What are you talking about? Yeah. going to be like where are you from because she'd probably be like fucking fulham what are you talking about yeah but if she had a really strong african accent like our other one of our other black neighbors it's it's a it's not a particularly diverse neighborhood twickenham it's it's pretty good but not by london standards but i asked her where she was from she's from somewhere in africa north africa um and you know that she's got all kinds of stories about about what it's like living
Starting point is 00:20:43 there and the difference from fucking twickenham to like i think she's from morocco um and it's like completely different as you can imagine that's an interesting conversation i don't think there's any there's no fucking problem asking someone where they're from if they have a strong accent but the idea that just by the color of their skin they must be from somewhere else is it's a it's it's context of the conversation as well you know like if you're If you're having small chat with somebody and they're saying like, oh, yeah, I remember when I was a kid, we used to go here and stuff. And you're like, oh, where are you from? You know, like it doesn't come across as bad.
Starting point is 00:21:13 You don't open with that. You're open or being, where are you from? Exactly. You don't look like you're from here. Like, where are you from? You must be from Christmas. Far over sea. Over water that never ends.
Starting point is 00:21:28 Man, I love the caveman. I love the cave. We should just do caveman podcast. Where are you from? Go back home. Go to Fulham. I have had an interesting tweet, gents. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Is it from a stripper? Go for it. Yes. Hello. Stripper here. I listened to the podcast while I get ready for work and found your discourse on strip clubs very interesting slash entertaining i'll say if you guys are ever on the gold coast for christ's sake don't let lewis into a strip club i love that line oh man don't worry we won't
Starting point is 00:22:00 we're never taking this guy to a strip on the On the Gold Coast. You've got our word. You have our word on it. I'm not ready for any of that. He's not ready. I've never been ready. You know me. Thank you, though, for getting in contact. Honestly, you never know.
Starting point is 00:22:18 We never know who's actually... We don't know what we're saying. We don't know what we're doing. But more importantly, I would never have thought a stripper would be listening to the Triforce podcast. I don't know why. I don't even remember what I said as well. God. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Thank you. This is so embarrassing. I feel like this is, you know how like there's this big debate going on in the world about the overturning the Roe versus Wade abortion thing, right? Right, right. Yeah, yeah. How half of American states are basically still hostile to abortion like it's the fucking 1960s again right and but the problem is we get all this spillover here like we get we're getting angry on behalf of this american dumbassery and we talk
Starting point is 00:22:57 about this a lot on trifles but it's weird how a lot of us get upset about these things that happen in america even though it's a very different place it's weird but it isn't though because when you think of like uh like uh the west like western society um you know like a lot of a lot of countries who share the same kind of ideals as america do towards you know capitalism and all that other fun stuff. I think that, I think America are so under the microscope because people are looking to see what is happening there because there's such a huge part of anchoring the West where it is. You know what I mean? Like, if you, if America didn't exist, it'd be tougher for like – for the West to sort of maintain the West. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:23:48 Like they have like this tremendous military, intelligence service, all these things that like happen behind the scenes that we just sort of benefit from, I guess. You know, their influence and their size and all that kind of stuff. You know, when you think that there's other really big, like powerful countries out there that, you know, if America didn't exist, would have a lot more influence than they do now sort of thing. You know what I mean? I mean, we don't take much of a cue from like Germany, do we? But I mean, America certainly is a big influence.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Somebody would, if not for America, somebody would have to step up and be the big brother of the West. Well, let's say America was still Britain. If we still owned America, we just had the United States and Britain. I guess we'd be in charge. We'd be fucking ridiculously enormous. I guess you're right. We do definitely take our cues from certain nations. I think it's automatically osmosis from American culture and American things that happen.
Starting point is 00:24:55 In a way, we should try, and some people do try and use Scandinavia, and maybe we should be using Germany as more of a model, sorting out, giving people student student actually grants to to go to university and i think in germany you don't don't pay to go to uni is that right i don't know i know i don't know they have a different school system this is going from uh german lad i spoke to so any germans listening i apologize if i've got this wrong i'm'm not saying this is correct, but this is the gist of what he told me, was that you get to a certain point in your schooling. So the equivalent of like in America, high school over here, secondary school.
Starting point is 00:25:34 And at a certain point, you branch. All the kids are siphoned off into certain pathways. So you go into more of an arty school, you go into more of a technical school, science or vocational or whatever. And at that point, it's essentially it's decided, look, you're not going to cut it as a physicist or a mathematician. So we're going to push you into a more of a vocational qualifications like engineering and stuff like that. And these kids who are like more academic, we're going to push them more into academic qualifications. And the kids who just want to fucking paint and do fashion or whatever, they're going to go down this road. So that's something that we've pushed against.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Like, if you think about school now, you can certainly was the case when I was at school. You had to you had to wait until you were taking your A levels before you really started to specialize. So you were still learning things that essentially you had no interest in, weren't good at, and wouldn't need when you went to university. You were still teaching kids those things rather than allowing them to focus on it. It is bizarre. Which is odd because I know that one of the arguments against taking some kids and not teaching them about, say, Shakespeare, is that it's seen as gatekeeping people from
Starting point is 00:26:44 certain backgrounds, mainly working class backgrounds, being told, say, Shakespeare, is that it's seen as gatekeeping people from certain backgrounds, mainly working class backgrounds, being told, no, no, we're going to push you into plumbing or whatever at 15 because that's all you're good for. But I think that the idea that telling kids who don't have an interest in that thing, don't worry, we're still going to teach you Shakespeare and art and music and history.
Starting point is 00:27:04 And they're like, I don't care about any of this shit. I want to get a job. And I want to learn how to do that. It's essentially you're denying people the opportunity. So if you said to kids, at 15 or 14 or whatever age, they have to make that decision. You have to choose now. Is that fair? Because that's my daughter in two years, say, or three years. Does she have to decide her future? Well really it really depends on the environment that she's being brought up in i feel like if you're 15 years old and you're you're desperate to go out and and work it's because there's not a lot of disposable income right being thrown around your house to begin with uh which just limits a lot of your your
Starting point is 00:27:42 scope and your opportunities right like if you're if Like if you live in a house where your parents both are only just scraping by sort of thing, you are going to, at some early point in your life, think, if I want to do anything, I've got to go out and earn some money and work, right? And for a lot of kids, if school is not doing something for them, they want to get out. It's liberating to be working. Let's get them back into work. Get them to work, I'd say. I mean, I don't recall the last time I saw a 10-year-old working.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Who can do good needlework. Put them to work. Yeah, they got those small little fingers and stuff. They'd be really... Sew up some soccer balls and wallets and stuff. No like yeah like my chimney is really blocked up there's my shoes need shining someone needs to bring me my newspaper i don't know you definitely bump into people who you know the moment they leave school will just start to work. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:46 I've met tons of people like that. That's most people, I think, in all honesty. But you do also meet people who sort of, not really flounder around, but you know, they have the luxury and the opportunity to spend some time figuring it out. And then, you know, they start working when they're in their 20s instead, for example. There's always those people you think, how are you affording to just not do anything all the time? And then there's those other people who have had like a full time job and gone to uni and
Starting point is 00:29:16 done it since they were 16. Do you know what I mean? And being like, and are still doing it. They're like, oh, yeah, I'm just doing my PhD and I've still got this full time job that I'm doing in like, and it's like what the heck yeah some people just are absolutely amazing yeah um and i have huge respect for those people who've who've done that because i worked in sainsbury's for two years as a when i was at uni and it was horrible i hated it it was very hard and to try and do do both i wanted that extra disposable income yeah but you if you're a student
Starting point is 00:29:46 at the time it's a bit different because you're just like i you know my my my the scope of my life is is very limited right now like i i just go to school which is probably already paid for whatever but i need like you know money to eat or to go out or, you know, whatever to pay my subscription to World of Warcraft, whatever, you know, you need some money, right? But like, it's a little bit different when you become an adult and, you know, you're still working a job like that. And everything is just constantly going up and it's just harder and harder and harder for you to do everything you need to do right like fucking people who have to end up getting like a second job to supplement and and all that kind of stuff that that that's hard as
Starting point is 00:30:36 hell like it's just and it's such a it's such a rut to get into and it's so hard to get out of it you know what i mean like it's it it really sucks. I think if you have the opportunity to, you know, to do something a bit more like out of the ordinary or whatever, you can start working later because your parents can help you do that. Or you can go to university for something that's not, you know, like something like like art or whatever you know what i mean that's not guaranteed to just bring in money immediately but you know in the long run could be crazy that's great but not everybody has that you want to do like i think when you're young and you've got no responsibilities that should be the time to gamble not when you're older and you have responsibilities and hopefully a mortgage and fucking kids and stuff like that that's when it's much harder yeah the decisions you make become much harder yeah whereas when you're 20 21 and you fucking have a go have a go it's something that you
Starting point is 00:31:32 desperately want to do you'll you'll have the energy to work long hours and work your balls off and go for it that's yeah that's your chance to that's i mean that is not everyone has that opportunity even even at that age but i think that you know you're i think we're you're supposed to i think sometimes when you're that age as well you you just kind of are washed along you've got your own priorities you're worried about your appearance and you're worried about my appearance constantly well my head does well onlookers for example i think teen as a teenager I didn't really think about or feel like I felt about those things. I was vulnerable and brilliant.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Wow, you had a very different teenage life to, I'd say, most human beings. You were invulnerable when you were a teenager? That's how you felt? I think a lot of teenagers think that they they'll live forever yeah i think yeah but i'm talking about the crippling social anxiety and and fear of looking foolish in front of other people and those are all much more teenager-y things yeah those are very teenager-y things well i had all those as well you said you just felt invulnerable well do you mean purely from any well he had uh he had like the the skater wallet chain and the frosted tips and stuff.
Starting point is 00:32:45 So I think that contributed to the invulnerability. He probably thought. Nothing can break me, dude. No one when they're 16 is thinking about getting married and having. No, you're right. You're right. Teenage boy anyway is thinking about life and actually like the jobs that you will end up, you know, the drudgery of the day to day. Well, some, but that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Like I'm saying, like if you, you know, like I feel like people who immediately go out into work because they have to probably are a bit more aware of that ahead of time than others, right? Like it's. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I've got some emails if we're ready for that it's a little early oh yeah hit me i'm definitely down to listening to what the listeners have dug up this
Starting point is 00:33:30 time okay so we got a guy mitchell mitchell has emailed uh me emailed us a couple of things first of all do you remember your album club that you started up sips yeah well he started his own back in 2019 with his mates they've been doing an album a week. Yeah. And he says it's expanded his selection of bands and artists. Yes. But there's only two of them left now. Yeah. But they keep it up. You loved it when you were doing that.
Starting point is 00:33:54 I loved it. Yeah. I want to do it again. I don't. It just, it's one of those things that everybody has to really make an effort to keep doing. Right. It's one of those things that's very easy to just get lazy with you know one week and then miss a week and then never come back to it yeah but um i want to
Starting point is 00:34:11 i want to do it again for sure because there's just so many so many albums like old and new you know what i mean like it was just we we were listening to all sorts like we were we were tending towards more sort of like classic rock albums, but we were talking about all sorts of stuff at the time. And even just through talking about older albums, I was introduced to some newer music as well, which was nice. Like what's her name? Adele. Adele, that's it. The one that you like.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Adele, his favorite. Yes, gosh. I'd say the number one topic for emails this week appears to be bathrooms. Right. Because I talked about not having a lock. So, first of all, I did forget one detail
Starting point is 00:34:51 that I discovered when I went down to the bathroom after the podcast, which is there is a lock on the bathroom door, but it broke. Right. So, we did used to have
Starting point is 00:34:57 a lock on the door, but I just can't figure out how to fix it and I just can't be bothered to get a new door handle. Turns out a lot of people have weird fucking opinions about bathrooms, including it's true so so this guy says yeah you mentioned knocking this is mitchell still as a method of checking if a bathroom is occupied
Starting point is 00:35:14 and he's in college at the moment and he's noticed that over the last four years on his campus nobody knocks before trying to get in the bathroom it's just on the handle yeah yeah when it doesn't open they give up uh i always knock if i see a closed door especially if it's just on the handle yeah yeah when it doesn't open they give up uh i always knock if i see a closed door especially if it's a door where you would expect someone to be doing something behind it whether it's my daughter's room she might be getting changed or something yeah all right yeah absolutely like first it's like a shout then a knock i just go rattle and if they go oh no i'm in here okay no problem yeah like there's a tier list right there right shout knock rattle like this and then just And then kick down the door and charge in.
Starting point is 00:35:47 Get a kick. You've got a Kool-Aid man your way into every situation. It goes shout, knock, rattle, hard shove, and then flashbang entry. Yes. And check your quarters. Roll a flashbang. You've got to put the little mirror under the door. Mirror, robot the flashbang before me
Starting point is 00:36:13 like their rooms are a fucking mess jesus can't even open the door sometimes this has already been raided there's no looted here somebody has somebody has already done this. So here's an email from Frank, which is not a name you hear as much anymore. Shout out to Frank. Let's give Frank the big up this week, actually. Big up to Frank. Big up to Frank. What a name.
Starting point is 00:36:34 One day when I was 10 years old, I was using the downstairs bathroom near the living room when my elementary school crush unexpectedly showed up with her mother to sell Girl Scout cookies. Since they were our neighbors, my parents invited them in. I should note that the downstairs bathroom fan was extremely loud due to birds making a nest inside of the vent for the fan. So twigs and weeds would slap against the blades of the fan, making it very obvious when someone was within.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Now, I will say, Frank, without going on, that's the fine detail about your bathroom fan that your neighbor's daughter might not be aware of. Just saying. My entire family came out to select their favorite cookies while I was in the bathroom. And recognizing the voice of the girl and her mother, I dare not step out of the bathroom, basically announcing my shit to my crush. So he didn't want to come out of the bathroom with her there, because certainly when you're young, you don't want to let anyone know that, yes also shit yeah like that's certainly yeah yeah so i elected to stay in the bathroom but how long could they stay anyway they stayed for over an hour and a half every moment i weighed just stepping
Starting point is 00:37:34 out as waiting another 10 minutes would make it look like i was in a fight for my life or just this is some larry david shit isn't it i figured they would think it was empty, so I took the risk and stayed hidden. They finally left and were able to deduce who was in the bathroom, so the mother said, have a nice day and I hope Frank is okay. At school the following day, it instantly spread that I take hour and a half long shits and must be terribly constipated.
Starting point is 00:38:01 Luckily, the girl and I went to separate schools and the room had died. So, Frank, that's dreadful. I feel very i feel very sorry you would have never lived that one down had you gone to the same school you would have just been known as constipated frank man mr constipator like for the rest of your life the constipator that's the new marvel legend. Yeah. God, yeah. That's the next one. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be shit. Yeah. There was a mention of him in Marvel issue number 52 back in 1971. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:33 They had an after the credits. He had an after the credits appearance in Morbius. Yeah. Fuck's sake. All right. That's a good email. I did see a few complaints of bathroom related not complaints you know but thoughts let's just leave it there you got any more i do i have one
Starting point is 00:38:51 from rochi uh a long-time listener uh first time writer um he says we talked about uh the three word naming system for maps and oh yeah and you suggested that we should name people that way by picking three random words and he would just like to point out that we should name people that way by picking three random words. And he would just like to point out that we already do that. We're the first, middle, and last name. Yeah, but they're not unique, are they? Good point. Oh, I suppose they are unique.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Literally do already do that. We already do do that. Yeah, you're right. I was streaming the other day, and Bournemouth got promoted to the Premier League again, which was great news. We beat Nottingham Forest 1-0.
Starting point is 00:39:30 It was a close game, but we got there. It's been a bizarre season. We're in the Premier League again next season, which is very exciting. But I got talking about the time that I went
Starting point is 00:39:37 to Gillingham in Kent, not Gillingham in Dorset, but Gillingham in Kent for an away game. And it was a miserable experience. It was a late winner for Gillingham, sent us home with nothing. And the people but Gillingham and Kent, for an away game. And it was a miserable experience. It was a late winner for Gillingham, sent us home with nothing. And the people of Gillingham,
Starting point is 00:39:50 troll-like as they are, came out from their houses and to the end of the street to throw the wanker sign. Go home! Go home, wankers! To give us the wanker sign and chase after the bus, slapping it and shouting all the way out of Gillingham.
Starting point is 00:40:05 And these people must have been listening on the radio. It was not outside the stadium. This was as we're driving out of Gillingham. People were coming to the end of the road to pick, to give us the finger and everything as we, as the coach was leaving. I'll never forget that Gillingham. And I told them that I was delighted to see that they'd been relegated.
Starting point is 00:40:23 And I hope Andy Hessenthaler is burns in hell. Cause in hell because I think he was the guy who scored the goal. He was a fucking dickhead. I think I drove through Gillingham once. Yeah. It's a shit hole. Gillingham. This guy, Lewis, his name is Lewis. He says he likes the Triforce, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:40:41 I see you slagging off Gillingham on Twitter and I concur. I'm a long suffering Pompey fan haven't been to Priestfield their ground needs condemning yes it's true he says it's a shit hole
Starting point is 00:40:50 and the tannoy is awful and the announcer had the audacity to say here is your dockyard derby because I don't know why they said that
Starting point is 00:40:59 but Portsmouth obviously is a port I don't know if Gillingham is or that it was inland anyway it's on the Thames isn't it it's like along the is it? whatever I don't know if Gilliam is or that it was inland. No, it's on the Thames, isn't it? It's like along the...
Starting point is 00:41:06 Is it? Oh, whatever. I don't remember. It was nighttime. Can I ask a quick question just for my knowledge banks? I'm data. Yeah. I was wondering,
Starting point is 00:41:16 have you ever become misty-eyed or even shed a full tear whilst watching a football match? Absolutely. Oh, okay. I mean, when England got knocked out of the World Cup, you know, that was bad. When we lost the Euro final,
Starting point is 00:41:31 when we lost the Euro final, I was crying, my daughter was crying. It was heartbreaking. It was heartbreaking. When we, you know, missed out on the playoffs one time, this was early on in my time supporting Bournemouth. We failed to finish sixth because we couldn't, I think it was Walsall at home either way.
Starting point is 00:41:45 We failed to win this game that would have got us into the playoffs. Shed a small tear there. And also when we got promoted, when we beat Lincoln 5-2, this would have been going from League 2 to League 1. There were many tears of celebration. What are some, just out of interest, like you've admitted to crying during football and stuff like that. Understandable.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Some people are very passionate about football and other sports and stuff. But what are some odd things that you've cried at in your life that you can remember? Adverts. Yeah. I'm the same sometimes, right? Adverts. Yeah, especially those ones. I remember,
Starting point is 00:42:26 I think I was tired at the time because like, this is normally a factor. Yeah, I think I was super tired at the time or, and I think it was like right after my son was born, our firstborn was born. But remember that,
Starting point is 00:42:38 that fucking Google ad for Gmail that was on like a long time ago. And it was like a dad sending emails to an account that he'd set up for his son who then grew up into a man and read all these emails that his dad sent him right that had me on my ass i was like i was like fucking i don't know what the hell was wrong with me like i watched it again like a couple days later and i was fine but like the first time i saw that i was just like oh my god i cried all kinds of stupid yeah it's weird i watched you know the
Starting point is 00:43:10 fucking uh murder on the orient express they remade it kenneth branner it was dreadful yeah and me and mrs f were watching that and laughing at how bad it was at the end michelle pfeiffer gives this very impassioned speech i was crying crying my eyes out like a fucking baby. I hated that film. I thought it was shit. But her performance was so good. And Michelle Pfeiffer was so good. I was crying about her performance because it was a really impassioned speech. Very moving.
Starting point is 00:43:35 And I thought, man, this fucking film sucked. And Mrs. F was like, are you crying at Murder on the Orient Express? And I was laughing and trying not to show that I was crying but I was really crying. So yeah, it's just one of those things. It gets you. The movie Up,
Starting point is 00:43:50 Pixar's Up, you know that first, like the kind of like the start of the movie where you see like the childhood sweethearts get married and you see their life together
Starting point is 00:44:02 and they're trying to have children and they can't have children and they get older and older and then you're making me feel like a psychopath which is the whole premise for the the rest of the movie right right yeah oh my god like i don't think i've ever cried so much whilst watching a movie in my life and i felt really embarrassed too because it was like a fucking i think everybody cried like yeah um but i mean i saw it before i had kids as well so i'm just like i'm an adult sitting there with my adult wife like just bawling my fucking eyes out there's all these kids with i think crying in movies is is fine like they're very emotional it's very it's overwhelming cry at an epic like i've said this before i cried
Starting point is 00:44:45 in lord of the rings when the uh the army of the dead all came out and the army of the dead that bit was the worst bit oh no i don't know why i just teared up charging down the hill that was great but the fucking army of the dead was teared up i just thought man this sucks just ghosts ghosts i'm enjoying that i'm enjoying the old i mean i'm I don't know, epic moments get me teary-eyed. Revenge, and people getting their comeuppance. Yeah, there's some really epic moments like that, that I can't think of off the top of my head. But I've certainly seen a couple of movies where I know I've been a bit emotional, and rooting.
Starting point is 00:45:23 I get wrapped up in the swelling epic music as well. The fantasy music, that gets me. I think music too. Music gets me all the time. Yeah, music a lot. So Lewis continues that he thinks Pompey are the biggest team on the South Coast, which is fucking hilarious.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Portsmouth is a fucking dump. And your team fucking sucks. Right. If I never go to Portsmouth again, it will be a life well spent. you gotta like you gotta have some friends you've already you've already made an enemy of gilligan you need allies is this thing working fuck off i feel like this is such an english thing like that you know like i i he doesn't mean it he doesn't mean it he likes
Starting point is 00:46:05 gilligan he goes to kfc or whatever you got maybe it's like this in canada but i don't remember it being like this in canada but like i i don't ever remember hearing a conversation having conversation where people like fuck you toronto you fucking city of cunts like fucking stupid ass toronto football thing isn't it yeah it's like very like any any conversation i heard around sports when i was younger and maybe it's because i was younger so people were watching themselves but it was always very sort of passive aggressive you know it's like oh yeah you ready for the habs to lose again tonight and stuff like it was never like fuck you montreal fucking stupid ass you know what i mean like i feel like in England, they just don't hold back, man.
Starting point is 00:46:48 If somebody supports a side that's not yours, it's just like, you're just all guns blazing. I think it's all surface level, but unfortunately, that all blends into a deeper level, and then you get people who don't really understand that it's not serious you know and they unfortunately the average football fan isn't the sharpest you know tool in the shit just saying
Starting point is 00:47:15 who's keeping their tools in a shed and expecting them to remain sharp that's all I'm saying you know it's a fucking shed and it's not the sharpest tool in the shed well get a better shed may your blades never dull because if you leave them out in the rain they get all rusty they will dull but uh if you have a shed to protect them from the elements they will dull less but most sheds are dumps you've been in a shed would you want to live in a shed i'm saying if you said he's not the sharpest tool in the well-appointed and well-tended workshop,
Starting point is 00:47:47 then I'd be interested. The sharpest knife on the knife rack. Knife rack. Yeah. He's the sharpest. He's not the sharpest knife on an otherwise well-kept rack of knives. But all of those knives are pretty sharp, though. That's the thing. It's still a knife.
Starting point is 00:48:02 I mean, that still has an edge to it. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer well you're keeping your knives in a drawer they all have some sort of standard whereas i feel like a tool shed you can have a wide array of different tools for all the different jobs right so you will find some really really dull blades in there true i mean for example not the sharpest tool in the shed or the what is? The brightest tool in the shed? Which one is it? It's the sharpest knife and the brightest tool. What's the brightest spark one? The brightest spark in the... In the darkness.
Starting point is 00:48:32 Firmament. Yeah. Sure. Had another filing email from Arvid. When are we going to move past the filing? I don't know, dude. The thing is, I was thinking about this. It's no offense to any filers out there. I know you guys are listening. It's a boring job a lot of the time.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Shout out to the filer massive. It's a boring job. They're going to listen to the podcast. Our audience is made up of people doing menial work that is boring. Except for the stripper that tweeted us. Exactly. Man, imagine she's just got like some earbuds in while she's like doing some dances and she's just listening to us
Starting point is 00:49:07 can you forward that email as well over just for interest the filer? no what do you mean the tweeter? she tweeted at you you goob what the stripper? yes
Starting point is 00:49:18 I don't use my twitter he doesn't use it he's got people to do it for him he's like an American politician Sips at Yogscast Lewis. I don't use my Twitter. He doesn't use it. He's got people to do it for him. He's like an American politician. I'm banning it. He's got staff. I'm embargoing it.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Let's carry on with this email. What are they? What about filing? They just said that their biggest fear is hackers. Because now they're moving over to digital. Previously, it was about keeping the files in a safe location to avoid fire. Now, the problem is cyber hackers and cyber
Starting point is 00:49:51 security. They're trying to get servers that are secure because if you store all your stuff on a server and there's a fucking horrible break and everybody wipes the server or burns it to the ground or whatever, you've lost everything as well. The idea that it's safe is obviously wrong. It's not safe.
Starting point is 00:50:08 It's just in one thing. It's on one server. So really compressing everything down to fit on a server, you've now got a server, I guess. But you can always have backups. That's the thing once it's digital. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:20 I guess your Bitcoins, you've got to put them on. I don't know. That's the worst thing about this, the digitization and everything, isn't it? That it could all just be lost in a flash. But in the same way, the archives can burn down in a fire, and that's happened for centuries. So we've lost plenty of records over the years due to mold or people, like leaks, someone doesn't go in and it's all fucking ruined.
Starting point is 00:50:50 And I don't know. and it's it's all fucking you know ruined and i don't know is it is it what's what's worse i feel like it's got to be safer just to have like digital backups like in three different places you know you have like cloud storage man that's it then it's stored all over the place right yeah like you know when you have the mirrored hard drives or whatever you know the striped like the raids where you you can't lose your stuff because it's all stored on both hard drives at the same time right right yeah yeah i mean i'm sure one of the breaks you just swap it it's kind of a very low chance you know it's like if it's like a one percent chance your hard drive will fail sure that's really terrible but if it's like two one percent chances it suddenly becomes very very very secure yeah yes that's exactly that's how it works so i got an email an email from Emily saying that she lives in the States. She thinks most people listening to the podcast probably are British.
Starting point is 00:51:32 So a lot of this stuff is kind of a bit lost on her, but she's intrigued anyway. But she said that she also listens to the podcast in the States and she works for a hardwood flooring company and travels to jobs all over the Mormon ethno state of Utah. Yeah. I thought that was an interesting way of putting it. It sounds like a faction in Stellaris or something. The Mormon ethno state.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Watch out for the Mormon ethno state. They tend to come around on turn 500 and they do a clean wipe of the system. And they do a clean wipe of the system. So she says that this job only paid $12 an hour. And it was so bad that she almost lost her house. But she's moved in with her girlfriend in Washington. And things are now stable. Nice. She appears to have a cool job.
Starting point is 00:52:17 And she's happy. Thank God. That's good. Thank you for the email. You can have the big ups instead of Frank. Frank lost his big up because his story was... I can't even remember it. So sorry, Frank.
Starting point is 00:52:30 I'm stripping you of the big up. It was the Larry David story, Sits, about the pooping. Oh, shit. Yeah, okay. You know what? Emily and Frank, you can share the big up, okay? Okay. That's good of you.
Starting point is 00:52:40 That's good of you. That's such a dad thing to do, isn't it? You've got two kids. You could share it. Just share it. I've got another email from Flynn. He says a bit about Brandon Sanderson. I'm not going to dip into that again.
Starting point is 00:52:53 Apologies. I think we've talked about that enough. So we were talking about television show intros and how people tend to skip them. And he makes a good point. The issue is that you don't have to read the introduction to the book at the start of every chapter that you read you think about a tv show being divided up into chapters which it is you don't go back and read the intro and look at the cover again between
Starting point is 00:53:16 everyone so i'm glad flynn brought this up because i've been watching uh better call saul right new season that's which he mentions continue the mentions, continue. The intro to that, I think is perfect. It's like not even 10 seconds long. It's just like one little tune with like some interesting imagery or whatever. And it's done. I can't, you can even skip it if you wanted to. It's so short. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Just, that's fine. I think every other show should use that as a benchmark for the first episode of the of the first series do a big intro and we'll watch it and you know watch the music and stuff but then just make a really condensed version of the music for all subsequent episodes so barry is a very short intro if you haven't seen the show barry which i recommend i think there's a new series coming out soon that's a really good show the intro is like just some music the word Barry, and then we're back into it. Yeah. Because once you've seen, like, for example, I know we talked about Severance.
Starting point is 00:54:11 It is a really good intro. It's very clever. Yeah, it is. It's very good. But you kind of don't want to watch it every single week. No, of course not. Especially with these shows that start off ahead of the credits, then run the credits, and then the rest of the show continues.
Starting point is 00:54:22 It's like having an ad break right in the middle. And I understand sometimes it's put there to sort of wipe the slate clean before we move to the next scene. It's like a mental palate cleanser. You have the opening scene, you're like, ooh, and then palate cleanse, and then we're into the show. It feels like sometimes it's that. So I think in terms of ideas for introductions, short and sweet, punchy, short and sweet punchy short and sweet it should get me excited for the show or it should get me ready for oh this is gonna be a big one you know it gives you chance to go and then you're into the show i don't want fucking one minute flouncy music and people's fucking names i don't give a shit i know they're
Starting point is 00:54:58 in the show well i've watched 20 episodes of this now i like i like how kirby enthusiasm starts as well i actually really like uh always as well, but the condensed version. Because the music's kind of funny, but I just like how it super cuts into it sort of thing. Yeah. Curb Your Enthusiasm has the very brief Curb Your Enthusiasm with the music, and then it just sort of fades out as the episode starts, which is fine. Is this guy saying that books should have an an intro chapter like a catch-up chapter and that you can skip no he's saying the opposite he's not saying that he's saying that the reason that we don't care for
Starting point is 00:55:36 um introductions like that are long is because it feels like you're moving on to the next chapter and this is especially true if you're watching a show in a binge watch where you're like watching eight episodes in a weekend or whatever you don't want to have to watch the intro every time so his point is that you need to either punchify the intros or make them something you don't want to have to struggle through because oh another minute of this shit because his point is you don't need a introduction to the show i'm watching the show do you know what I mean? Right. I see. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:07 You know what you've signed up for. Yeah. He's saying, you know, it's like if you're in the middle of a book, you don't go back and read the intro. You haven't just turned it on, like on telly, because no one does that anymore. Yeah. It's the changing way we consume content. Indeed. Indeed.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Yeah. That's it for emails this week. Wicked. Man, I've been on the topic of TV shows. I've been catching up with that. This is going to hurt or this is going to probably hurt or whatever that show is called. My wife calls it Trust Me, I'm a Doctor. We can never remember the name of the show, but it's a good one.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Okay. Yeah, it's good. It's that one that's written by the NHS guy. Oh, This is Going to Hurt? Yeah, I think that's good. It's that one that's written by the NHS guy. Oh, this is going to hurt? Yeah, I think that's it. That's Adam Kay? Yeah, that's really good. Very gory.
Starting point is 00:56:54 Really gory, but it's very, very good. Yeah. The book was excellent. It was done not as a drama like this, but this is a good way of telling the story dramatically. It was done more of a, literally, almost like you were reading his diary of what had happened that night yeah um so yeah really really really sad and funny and interesting and i saw a lot it got a lot of criticism but i think the criticism was uh
Starting point is 00:57:16 i have i have heard the book as well didn't realize it got criticism i thought i just i think it's been excellent but i think the the criticism was that he treats the patients in this especially because these are women in a very vulnerable state oh yeah as kind of like no big deal but i think the thing is you're not putting yourself in the shoes of someone who does this for a living and has to put up with insanity as well as horror it's a it's a portrayal though right in your mind you feel like you're probably being like that at the time, right? So like, that's how it's portrayed, like in the show sort of thing. I don't think it's meant to be that he's realistically like doing these things.
Starting point is 00:57:57 It's kind of like- It's what he's thinking. But I think the idea was, how dare he think that? Like, he's not being fair to the patients. He's diminishing their pain and their suffering. Of course not. But all of the evidence as to why he would think like that is there for you as well, right? You don't have to be a genius to work it out.
Starting point is 00:58:19 I think it's missing the fact that this is an unbelievably hard job. And you're working with people who are in an unbelievably hard situation. Yeah. And what are you going to cope with it by crying all the time and woe is me and genuinely trying to empathize with people? If you did that, I think your head would explode. Man, the woman consultant. This is where gallows humor comes from, right? It's these incredibly high strength.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Yes. Because it's often a way, it's like a release valve for a lot of attention to deal with this you know stuff the only the only option is to laugh really when you're surrounded by such awful stuff yeah very good consultant who comes in who works with uh is it shruti i think her name is yeah yeah shruti is fucking hilarious man like just like uh just everything she fucking says is so fucking funny. It's been a good one. I've been enjoying it a lot.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Well, here's another show. I don't really care for basketball. It's okay. But I don't follow it or anything like that. I don't watch highlights or anything. Occasionally, I'll watch a bit. Winning Time, the LA Lakers story. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:59:22 It's absolutely phenomenal. It's got John C. Reilly is in it. Adrian Brody is in it. Fucking a bunch of people. Sally Fields is in it. A whole bunch of people that you'll recognize them. And it's about the LA Lakers in the early days, 1979, the start of the LA Lakers as a dynasty. Magic Johnson comes in as this young buck, sort of superb player, first draft pick from them and everything. And they try to build this franchise. And it's really good.
Starting point is 00:59:50 It's funny. It's extremely raunchy. And it's just brilliant. I absolutely fucking love the show. Really, really, really good. I will seek that out. That sounds great. That sounds amazing.
Starting point is 01:00:02 Ben, I also would like to share with you that i was on twitch rivals last week for a fortnight tournament did you make it to tomato town or whatever no no tomato town's gone unfortunately but um and there was not 10 kills on the board for me but uh i didn't realize i thought i was joining a tournament that was just going to be people who didn't really play Fortnite very much. But it turns out that it was like this big regional 300 grand prize pool tournament with like all the sweats you can imagine. We had to play six games. I didn't even touch the ground once. Like we were getting fucking murdered in midair.
Starting point is 01:00:41 Like we just could not play the game. Like these guys they these guys were like dota teams man they were all in the same room like wearing the same gamer shirts with matching chairs and shit like that like it was unbelievable god i can imagine that i i just get fucking dumpstered like oh yeah we were hiding in you can hide in like these like uh outhouses so we were trying to find outhouses that we could hide in and because but because you got points for kills not only kills but wins and stuff we're actually fully getting stream sniped so that people could track us down and kill us for points because money i
Starting point is 01:01:18 guess it was unbelievable how did you guys do dead last like we just could not fucking who was on your team that's hilarious uh ravs and wolfabell okay three people who have a combined experience of like maybe 20 hours of fortnite right oh that's overall time yeah it was it was good it was we we made them we made the best of it i guess but and we had fun yeah that's it but i mean when you get in those things and you just think like there is no fucking way oh my god man yeah it was it was interesting to see how really good players play as well because you could spectate after so i guess that was kind of cool too but like we were just completely and utterly outclassed it was it was pretty funny it was just there was no fucking chance.
Starting point is 01:02:07 Like, we just couldn't do anything. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, it was good. Oh, crap. Well, anyway, thank you for checking in. I've got to go back to the Van Gogh exhibit. Oh, my God, man. Well, have fun.
Starting point is 01:02:20 Enjoy yourself. By the time this is going out, I'll be in Sweden. I'll be... If you want to watch some... Yeah, I'm going back. I'll be gone for two weeks. And I'm going to be co-hosting. Shiva's the main host.
Starting point is 01:02:34 I'm going to be the other host. Second host. Maybe even third host for the major. So I'll be doing the group stage stuff and then the main stage stuff. I went out yesterday and I bought a suit and I bought a blazer and I bought a bunch of trousers and shirts. I'm going to look as natty as hell then the main stage stuff, I went out yesterday and I bought a suit and I bought a blazer
Starting point is 01:02:45 and I bought a bunch of trousers and shirts. I'm going to look as natty as hell for the main event. I bought a brand new suit. It's lovely. And yeah, that's going to be a couple of weeks. Yeah, I'm going to check that out for sure. I haven't hosted stuff much before. Maybe a handful of times.
Starting point is 01:02:58 You'll be fine, man. You'll be fine. I figure, why not give me a shot? You know, they give everybody else a shot. Give me a shot. Yeah, yeah. Now's your time to shine. Take it it easy don't screw it up i will i won't screw it up i will mess up all right bye no pressure bye

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