Triforce! - Triforce! #256: We've been burned before!

Episode Date: May 25, 2023

Triforce! Episode 256! The Welsh are taking over the Yogscast, we're listing games design choices that drive us crazy and doing a weird and certainly inaccurate pre-review of Severence! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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available as a mild hybrid inline six turbo or as a plug-in hybrid, crafted to move every part of you. Hello, gentlemen. Hello. No, fuck that. Welcome to the Triforce Podcast, bitches. Woo! That's the kind of intro I want. None of this sort of, hello.

Let's fucking get people pumped. Let's get them. Oh, sorry. It's the Tr triforce podcast give me your hypers lewis let's pump them out of their minds okay let's do it yeah nice that was good whatever that noise was do that all right start with that like welcome like that came from deep inside good yeah i um i went to dots Oh, that was interesting. Did you get it sorted? The general malaise? Was it resolved?

I've been referred to like three different specialists. Do you have a case of ennui? Is it just a bit of ennui? A little ennui. I'm just, my health is, mentally I'm fine. Right. Obviously, but. Debatable, but yeah, carry on.

Physically, I'm experimenting with being sick uh right okay you know i'm just trying that out for a while yeah and seeing how it works for me and uh you know we'll see we'll see i've i don't know there's a couple couple of things like um i'm just so allergic i'm just i'm just a special boy know what I mean? I'm intolerant to all sorts of food groups. Right. You know, that's something that comes with age, you get more intolerant of, in general, it's foods that I'm intolerant of. Right.

I find as I get older- Or maybe they're intolerant of me, maybe they don't like me. I'm becoming just incredibly racist and sexist as i get older it's getting worse and worse see which is what i'm saying you know you start i'm joking by the way internet i think it's more context right like doing even like a welsh accent now doesn't feel cool yeah of course nobody cares right i think the welsh are cool with it yeah here's the thing it's very hard to do a good Welsh accent. That's the thing. I mean, you know, I think especially because we're British,

it's all right to do accents of other British regions. I'd be surprised if anybody had an issue with that, whether they were Welsh or Scottish. I think that's fine for now, but 10 years' time. Well, sorry, are you getting on the, you can't say anything these days, are you getting in early on that train? Well, no, I just, I can see the direction it's going, you know?

No, I don't think anybody Welsh would seriously. Also, I don't think most people actually give a shit. I think it's just the vocal. As usual, a vocal minority gets all the, the squeaky wheel gets the onions, as they say. Sure, maybe, maybe. So I'm pretty sure that if you could go to Wales and ask people if a comedian

did uh a welsh accent as part of their set would you be offended and i think it depends what they do in that exactly if they were like oh i'm so stupid and all i can do is eat leeks all day like then you might say all right can't dance and you're making fun of us for no reason you know but but it's not in and of itself i don't think there's a history of man of hatred there i would first it was wisconsin then it was luton and now wales we're scaling up because we've got we don't have because we've got daf and sophie in the office who are our very welsh and they're both quite welsh and as a result, they tend to, I don't want to say they're

like, they're recruiting new Welsh people, but I have noticed yeah, they're like, they've got a Welsh agenda. Yeah, oh yeah. No, they literally have. Actually, do you know what? I'm down for it. You know, the soft voice, the, um, you want to diversify it, but you then want to

just start out with the old in with the new you you're going full wales yeah i'm not being silly but when we went out last time i was down we went out for a drink with uh the pub crew um and uh sophie was there and she she is incredibly welsh and i think she's from the same part of wales as dav she's actually not yeah but i thought dav was from Cardiff. Cardiff is the least Welsh place, though, really. But she's very Welsh. But it's kind of... I don't think she

even really speaks Welsh. Is it the capital of Wales? I thought it was like Port Talbot or something like that. No, it's got to be Cardiff, right? I feel like Bristol's close enough to Wales that Dav has got his eyes on a takeover. Oh, well, he did literally say that because Sophie was Welsh,

that's the only reason she got the job. She's not competent at all. It's just because she's Welsh. That was Daph said that, and Sophie was just nodding along and agreeing. So, yeah, I think that's true. This isn't true. No, it's not true. Again, these are lies.

These are lies and deceptions. Well, I mean, it's like an incompetent person. How he know how would dav know how would he be able to judge the competence of someone else dav would be like seems fine to me no they're both great uh we love them uh i i don't i don't i i i think this is the the modern way you know infiltration in you know just gotta get put your culture around there. Yeah, you got to take it down from the inside. It's not new. Nothing new.

This has been going on for- Exactly. Since the dawning of time. Wake up, people. It's happening. The Welsh are trying to take over. Yeah. And, you know, they've got a lot of grievances, the old Welsh.

What was it? Because, obviously, the Prince of Wales is our king. Welsh what was it because obviously the Prince of Wales is our king they don't like the Prince of Wales they really don't like they don't they didn't like

the old Prince of Wales and then they were really hoping that they would that they would get rid of the title so there wouldn't be so William wouldn't be

the Prince of Wales they would just say you know what we're done we don't need a Prince of Wales anymore and then they made William the Prince of Wales and they're just say, you know what? We're done. We don't need a Prince of Wales anymore. Really? And then they made William the Prince of Wales and they're like, oh, fuck.

They don't want to be represented by an English monarch in that way. Right. Well, we did conquer them. They want somebody Welsh. That land's got to go to somebody. Can't go to the Welsh. It's got to go to one of the English royal family. That's pretty much how it goes. Well, there was a story

though, this isn't true, but the story was that when we conquered wales and executed the last king david the third yeah um we in the red king said don't worry wales i will give i will make the next prince of wales someone who doesn't speak any english um and is born in wales right. So he brought his wife to Carnarvon Castle. She gave birth to a son who obviously didn't speak any English because he was a baby and was born in Wales. But that's not actually

technically true. We just missed a whole bunch of what you just said. You cut out big time. I'll do it again. I'm sure it was recorded. It was recorded, but I'll do it again. I'm sure it was recorded. We just missed it. Yeah, yeah, it was recorded. Yeah.

I'll do it again. You won't get my hilarious reaction to it. You did. So she gave birth to a son in Carnarvon Castle. Cut that out again. This is the Welsh conspiracy. I'm not even kidding. You cut it out again.

Every time you say this, you're being censored. You're being censored by the Welsh conspiracy. You must be tripping it up. You must be saying like a key word or something. You're close to the truth. You're too close. You're too conspiracy. You must be tripping it up. You must be saying like a key word or something. You're close to the truth. You're too close. You're too close. Yeah.

That must be it. Oh, well. Anyway, it's not true. But it's a nice story. You know, the idea of England screwing old Wales over again. Oh, my God. I could hear you that time. I'm surprised they didn't censor you.

What the hell's going on? Well, that's the truth, you see. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. The Welsh that have made Discord. are they allow oh my god they are this we thought it was lizards behind the the illuminati you know yeah it's the welsh it's welsh lizards i i think leaks are great oh you know i love i don't i don't they're okay i hate them i would not have a leak um if it was if i was given the choice, I would never choose a leek.

I would always choose something else first. I find that they don't have much taste. They look like shit. And, you know, like there's no aesthetic to them. You know, they just look like hell. And they taste not very nice. They're very bland. I'd leek and potato soup.

I would just give me potato soup, honestly. I don't even need the leek in there. Like, I don't think it does anything for the soup. I can't think of any other application of leek that is worth it, worth the time. So, creamed leeks is quite nice. I will say, so what we do is you get your leek, this is my leek theory, and leek aficionados, I'm not saying you have to be Welsh, but I'm sure there are a lot of Welsh leek aficionados

out there. I think it's okay. The texture, if you don't cook it right, can be a little bit planty. You know what I mean? A little bit too... So I cut the fluffy end off where the roots are, or whatever that is, and then I only use the white part of the leek. The green bit,

quite honestly, is dog. It's too tough, and it doesn't have the flavor. It's like a long onion that's slightly delicate, slightly different flavor. But you just said you loved onions. I think onion just does it better, though. That's the thing. I agree.

I mean, I love onions. I'm just saying a leek, you can do a few little different things with a leek that you couldn't do with an onion. So, creamed leeks is very nice. So, is this a metaphor for Wales? I'm confused. No. What are you talking about? This is just literally us talking about

whether leaks are worth it or not. I don't mind them. Where did the onion come from? What's the history of the onion? Lord Onion back in 1201. Where do you think it comes from? Where did the onions come from? Absolutely not.

I thought that England was like the world capital of root vegetables. Onions gotta be a root vegetable. I do not know where you've got that from, brother. I really don't. We had hardly any native

anythings here. Carrots. You would have had carrots. Carrots don't come from England. Oh my. We had hardly any native anythings here for the longest time. You would have had carrots. Carrots don't come from England. Oh, my God. They grew tons of them, though. In, like, post-war, it was like, it saved the country. That's in the last 60 years.

It was for your eyes to be able to see the planes coming up. As with most of these plants, they came from the fertile present around that kind of area. Its wild ancestors probably originated in Persia. That's where the carrot comes from. The onion, probably, ancient records of onion use spans Western and Eastern Asia. So the geographic origin is uncertain. Yet, domestication likely took place in West or Central Asia. Okay, but listen to this.

I got a factoid here, straight from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Okay. Examples of root vegetables include carrots, beets, onions. Right, I'm not commenting on what is a root vegetable. Parsnips, potatoes, sweet potatoes. Right, which of those came from Britain? That's the point. Which vegetables?

Which vegetables? I'm just doing native vegetables. What's happening here? Cabbage, leeks, onions, garlic, basil, thyme, turnips, walnuts and grapes, apparently. I'm intolerant to half of those things. Grape. Very intolerant. Grape.

Cabbage, cauliflower, parsnip, swede, turnip, onions, brussel sprouts, runner beans, broad beans, kale, to name a few. Yeah, dog shit. They're native British vegetables. Yeah, that does explain the cuisine. Yeah.

Yes. We didn't know much. What is the UK's national vegetable? Care to guess? Potato. We love it. We eat more potatoes than probably any other fucking plant.

Hang on, I'm just going through here just to see what it actually is. Well, no, because it's one of those articles where it's like, leeks are Welsh, potatoes are associated with Ireland, and overcooked cabbage, cauliflower, and sprouts are classic school dinner fare. Not for me, it was not. It's a dogshit

clickbait article. Asparagus is a strong contender for an English vegetable coming into season on St. George's Day. There's no way asparagus originated here. Really? But what could be described as Britain's national vegetable? Potato. The French have the green bean, garlic and onions. I think it would be maybe like pie.

Eastern Europeans have the beetroot and cabbage and Italians can lay claim to the tomato, she says. Curry. It would be curry. No, national plant-ish, right? I mean, look, chips. We eat chips. Chips would be our national vegetable. Okay, no, that's it. It's got to be potatoes. I can't skim through this anymore.

It's just, it does not say. I wish it would just say like in one line it's crap it is this it does not rubbish okay well anyway there you go onions wherever they originated from but i think they were probably popularized big time in um in the uk right what the potato the the onion we're still talking the onion you think the onion was popularized in the uk i think it's more French. You're crazy. I am crazy, yes. But also, I'm sticking to it.

I think Britain is that kind of country that would revere the onion. I disagree. We used to make fun of the French for eating garlic for a long time. And garlic's great. But we were like, who ate that bloody garlic? Why would we then eat onions? I don't know. Well, they eat a lot of butter.

I'm not going to tell you. You tell me. I refuse. Friendship. I'm a humble Canadian. I've got maple syrup coursing through my veins. So what do I know? That's your that's your one plant, isn't it?

Yeah. One plant. We got to make the maple tree. Our flag is based on it. Our favorite drink is based on it. What's the favorite drink? Maple syrup. Maple syrup. Oh, okay.

I thought you meant there was a beer that was flavored with maple syrup. Fizzy maple syrup. There's all sorts. They really go for it. Everything. You can get maple syrup moist towelettes. They do go for it. You can get maple syrup underpants.

You can get maple syrup sleeping bags. Like, everything. It's like a huge industry. We've got a couple of Canadians. Well, actually, no. We've got one Canadian in the office, but then we've got one fake Canadian who uses a Canadian passport to stay over here. Are you talking about Paul? You're talking about me.

No, Paul's real Canadian. Yeah. Paul's actually- I forgot about you, Sip. He's actually fully Canadian, Paul. Paul is- Paul's real Canadian. Yeah. I forgot about you, Sid. He's actually fully Canadian, Paul. Paul's actually Canadian. Paul is definitely one of the least Canadian Canadians I've ever met. He's from Edmonton, though, which is sketchy, honestly. Pretty Canadian.

It's like right in the middle, right? Well, Alberta's kind of like the Texas of Canada, so that would make- Paul seems more like a Californian to me. Edmonton would be like Houston, I guess, you know? Right. He doesn't have anything like a Canadian accent at all. I think he does. And he does.

Paul doesn't have much Canadian accent. Isn't Paul Choi the most lovely man? He's a lovely man, but he does have a Canadian accent. I disagree with that. I don't think he does. Compared to some of the Canadians I canadians i know he's like his very very subtle epm is quite high as well i'll point that out what is that his a's per minute per minute yeah hey oh yeah it's a pretty pretty mild accent the way

uh he does he gets out in the boot that guy for sure well i thought sarah was canadian as well but she just has a canadian. Yeah, Sarah's not Canadian. So, it's like it's washed off on her a bit. No, I don't think so. I think I just assumed because she was so nice, like Paul, you know. She was too nice to be an American. I mean, I just didn't think they existed. She's fully American.

Sorry, America. Sorry. There's plenty of nice Americans out there. Yeah. Yeah. Not in Wisconsin, America. Sorry. There's plenty of nice Americans out there. Yeah. Yeah. Not in Wisconsin, though. There's a lot of batshit insane ones as well. But the nice ones are the ones that we should be focusing on, right?

I do meet some, actually. I met a couple of random American fans this week. It's weird how it comes in dribs and drabs. Sometimes I don't see anyone for a week. Unless they're describing fans as dribs and drabs. Continue. Sometimes I don't see anyone in a week. Unless they're describing fans as dribs and drabs. Continue. Sometimes I don't see anyone in a week. And then sometimes I'll see like three people in a day.

I saw a nice... I was walking around the harbour yesterday and a young lady stopped me. Hello. And I was like, oh, hi. But I was really sweaty, right? So I'd been like half jogging. So you were talking to a young lady and you were very sweaty. I was like, oh, hi. But I was really sweaty, right? So, I'd been like, it's like half jogging. So, you were talking to a young lady and you were very sweaty.

I was really gross. And I was looking like a mess. And then I noticed that she was also slightly out of breath because she chased me up a set of stairs. Good God. To say hi and then i was like awkward uh awkward than usual because i was like oh like i like i was like a like a like i've been paparazzi'd you know on a on a jog or whatever yeah um anyway she was lovely and then there was then just a minute later i was walking to the office and um there was a guy from tasmania who who introduced himself um and started talking to me and i was i like, wow, that's a, you know,

I think anyone tells you they're from Tasmania, that's quite interesting, right? The only thing I know about Tasmania, and this is what I told him, is that they don't have many people there, but the government built this super fancy mega stadium and art complex and put like way too much money into it. And there was was this huge huge outcry because they were hoping to make hobart this like cultural capital by luring people in with this with sport and culture but apparently it's just deserted a huge waste of money it's like something that would do or maybe yeah maybe maybe pennsylvania would do that maybe hope maybe tasmania is like the edmonton of of australia yeah you know but he was definitely an australian he was he was they're both lovely Maybe Tasmania is like the Edmonton of Australia.

Yeah. You know, but he was definitely an Australian. He was, they were both lovely people. Right. But I sort of, with one, I was, you know, I was sort of like, I don't know, sometimes I was just, I'm just lucid and I'm able to talk to fans like a normal person. And others, I've just become the most awkward weirdo. Well, it's kind of, sometimes you get caught off guard you know you're not ready to uh to to turn on the

razzle dazzle you know you're just going about your day doing normal things you know if any any normal person asked you something or whatever you'd just be like no thanks or whatever i get this impression when i've like spoken to someone in the office and maybe like you know we had like a really sparkling scintillating conversation one day yeah and then the next time i see them i'm like they ignore you i don't have anything pretend like they don't know you and neither do they they don't even say it's like yeah it's like one day we have great chemistry and the next day um neither of us want to maybe it's just because i've offended daf somehow or something i don't know you know maybe i've like maybe he listened to this podcast and he was like heard those things you said about whales well maybe you just say you're overthinking it though

as well you know like get it in my own head yeah yeah yeah this is taking yourself down from the inside you know anyway i saw this week because i was like i'm worried that i've got like some sort of long covid right there are mods added they've added mods to elden ring the witcher 3 and minecraft right called the long long covid mode where you gradually get like more and more tired oh my god like fatigue uh you have to lie down more what's the fucking point if you've got long covid you don't want to pretend in a video game that you also have long covid yeah i think it's organized to like raise awareness um about it uh for people who have a disruptive stuff so it's like you get like a little pop-up that says in Minecraft it says you're short of breath. Fuck off. I thought that was pretty funny.

Yeah, it's an interesting idea for a mod. Let's suck all the fun out of a game. Yeah, you can't play this game now. You have to think about people who are sick. Where are these mods for all the other terrible things? Why long COVID? What are you fucking talking about? All these fucking games have these hunger mechanics or nighttime mechanics right it's so fucking stupid most of

them as it is i don't want to play talk of with long how much are people fucking eating in these games hard enough already without long covid jesus i play a fucking survival game for half an hour and i've eaten like 16 cans of beans and three steaks i'm like fuck me how much is this guy eating exactly so dumb i played the long dark which i really enjoyed but like i get that there's like a calorie intake in a day but like man nobody on earth is taking in like 30 000 calories a day which is basically what the game was trying to simulate like i would i go fishing i catch a whole fish and eat it and then like an hour later i'm like on the brink of death

like hungry again like come on yeah yeah uh i just wish like i wish these survival games and also then i hate the ones where it's just night time forever and oh yeah well especially like in a game like uh i don't know if you guys uh have had this um this experience with rust the light that game is fantastic but the lighting is dog like it's so bad like like there's no like there should be it should be a bit lighter indoors but it's not it's just pitch black everywhere and stuff like there's no differentiation between like the the the lighting like there's no differentiation between, like, the lighting. Like, there's no moonlight, I guess, as well. So, when you're outside, it is just, like, you cannot see a damn thing unless you put a light on.

And it drives me crazy. I feel like so often the people who design these games do it, like, half-half, right? They're like, oh, it's half-day, half-night, 12 hours day, 12 hours night. Yeah, it shouldn't just be pitch-ass black though like they're like your eyes would adjust there should be a cool mechanic where gradually your eyes adjust to the dark like you know you just in the game you know like things just start to you're able to see things you know like um like gradually that'd be kind of cool i don't know if many games do that but i would settle for that over just like so fucking dark that you can't see or do anything you know i think i think maybe it's

again something i've established as convenience in video games right like i don't like losing my fucking inventory right i feel like that's like pretty outdated i feel like there's like certain there's certain games that do that to you and it's like oh you know if you die you can go back and collect your corpse it's like well can i though because you've put my corpse at the bottom of this fucking dungeon right and i haven't got all my shit that let me fight down there in the first place so am i now fucked like it's like no one thought about this shit it's but it happens in triple a games that are coming out kind of right now and it's pretty pretty astonishing there's the there's that and i and another another one i hate

is um stupid stupidly low limits on inventory like especially a game that presents so much crap for you to pick up absolutely right and all of a sudden you're like okay i need all this stuff and i might need all this stuff but i but I'm always over encumbered. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm holding like a couple of things that I think I'm going to need, but I can't basically pick up any other things. Like, it's so limiting and it just feels like shit every time. Like, I don't know.

I hate that mechanic. And then nobody ever seems to get it right either. It's hard to- and the other thing that the games don't seem to get right, I've noticed, is when to spend your consumables, right? Yeah. Like, because- Do you guys do what I do and finish a game with, like, a million potions? Yeah, absolutely. Oh my god. I never use them. Everyone does.

It's so hard to, like, figure out. Here's what they should do, I think, genuinely. Instead of having them as individual potions that you have to keep track of and decide whether to use, when you acquire a potion, it becomes like a buff that you can apply for yourself and it has a cooldown. That would make more sense. So now you own this potion, you know how to brew it, you're just doing that. In the time off or when you go to sleep or whatever, you

settle your things, brew it, you don't have to fuck around with saying, I've only got three of these left, is it worth it before I fight this wyvern to drink my potion? It's just a buff that I have and I could load a couple of them on so you can't have too many active at once and become overpowered. You can have like two buffs at once, put that in your buff slots and you're buffed. Job done. No need to fuck about. No fucking about. Instead of all this nonsense. I mean any game where it's like crafting is in the game, you must gather herbs. That was the worst part of Witcher to me was having a fucking, I i'm being i'm doing this dramatic run on a horseback through wilderness and i'm like oh wait a minute is that a behenja flower i need that it's like stopping getting off your horse picking a flower

fuck off i think i think i think you if you're gonna have that in a game um something that you're like oh yeah i'm look i need that or you know i need some of those or whatever you need to have somewhere in the game for you to do that kind of stuff and it's not just like something that is done on the road or like mid combat or whatever you know what i mean you have to have like a base that you can go back to take stuff back to do some crafting or whatever test out some of the shit that you've made and then go back out sort of thing you know what i mean like yeah you can't just do it in line like that it's it must be popular because it's in every fucking game yeah i don't know if it's necessarily popular and i think a lot of people probably do think it's pretty boring and and kind of useless as well like i don't know like in a game like the

witcher where you just want to fight stuff and progress the story i don't think you need to get bogged down in all that shit. Yeah, I guess it depends, right? But I think a lot of the games put it in because it was in the previous game. Or they think they need to give some loot and a potion is a standard piece of loot that is also usually quite responsive. Like you're low on health, you take a potion, right? But I think they tend to go into games and genres and types of games like auto-battlers

and these types of things and how do you use them in auto battles that well you can't use it while they're all about this guy no one said when do you use it beforehand afterhand like you know but i think the answer you're right sips is something like make them make them basically hotbar equipped so they're anyway there's there's good there's just make it interesting it's such a common and also just like consumables for the sake of consumables like i think consumables could be more interesting if it was like yeah here find these kind of hard to find plants or whatever store them in your base so that you don't have an inventory full of crap

that you never use or whatever and then when you get all of the right components you can make a potion that just gives you a permanent buff but not a huge buff just something you know something to work towards like something just like as like a sideliner you're just like oh yeah it's not gonna you know i'll go explore this this area it's more of an open area with no story whatever but i can collect some items or whatever and maybe get a buff so i'm ready for the next part of the game i think that's fine i've got one i've got for you. This is as annoying as it gets when it comes to these kind of things. Games where you can craft items, but the items you craft are nowhere near as good as the ones you can just find by doing a dungeon or killing a monster.

Yeah. So a prime example of this, I played a game called Solasta, which is like a sort of D&D ripoff game. And, you know, you go around and you do your adventure and your party and you can collect ore and rare items and shit to make stuff and armor and swords. But it's never as good as the stuff you get from the actual quests. To me, the core of these games is I go into a dungeon, I fight dangerous monsters, I get past traps, I do puzzles, and the reward is some cool stuff that has cool effects and is good for heroes and all the rest of it.

Not going and digging ore out of a mountain in order to make a very basic long sword. That whole system, you could just get rid of it. Just get rid of it. It's boring and dog shit. There's no fun to just collecting ore and in the middle of your adventure, you have to stop and pick a flower and chop down a tree. That game is a different game. Yeah. I mean, if it's something like Minecraft where you have to go and pick a flower and chop down a tree. That game is a different game.

Yeah. I mean, if it's something like Minecraft, where you have to go and dig that stuff to craft those things, that's fundamental. Yeah, part of the progression is all that. Exactly. If it's the right place, it makes sense. Anyway. Anyway.

Consumables and crafting rant over. Just wanted to complain about things in games for a second. All right. Wait, wait, wait. I've got a recommendation. Let's not talk video games. We'll be here all day talking video games. All right. Wait, wait, wait. I've got a recommendation. Let's not talk video games. We'll be here all day talking video games. All right.

Sorry. I haven't played Zelda. My son wants to get it, but he just bought Minecraft Legends, which he's been enjoying. I cannot stop hearing enough about it from everyone, but go on, Pooflex. All right. We've done 20 minutes of video game talk. No, we haven't already. I think we should expand.

We have. We've been talking about consumables for possibly 45 minutes, actually. Sorry, shall we do TV shows? It might be 80 minutes. So I watched the Silo. What did you think? I watched the Silo. I really like it. It's good, eh? I watched 10 minutes of it, and my wife hated it, so now I have to watch it on my own. I'm getting, like, little bits of

Fallout side quest vibes, but I do like it. I felt like the third episode was just... If you're doing what felt to me like a filler episode on the third episode I'm not holding out too much hope for this being a classic but it's okay it's one of those shows where

I feel like just the setting alone could kind of carry it through for me like some shows not an awful lot needs to happen if I just like the setting that it takes place in and there's some you know there's some stuff that happens. If I just like the setting that it takes place in and there's some, you know,

there's some stuff that happens around that. I felt like that about The Walking Dead for a while, you know, like, I mean, it was pretty good. Like the first couple of seasons were really good and like action packed or whatever, but I liked the setting enough to sort of get through some of the

slower bits and I didn't mind so much. But then I just started hating it in the end but i mean i mean maybe the silo will be the next one that i just uh gradually hate as i watch more and more of it who knows but it's it's a cool idea though i'm glad you recommended it too because it's not it's something i got like on the back burner that i can watch yeah yeah it does have some some fallout vibes to it for sure It does. Yeah, I got a new show for you. Right, right I think I think you would both enjoy this you anyway This is a show called jury duty jury duty jury duty, right?

And it's a it's about it sounds like I like a carrot top movie. No, no, it's not luckily It's like a Pauly Shore movie. Nor a Pauly Shore movie. Right, okay. A Paul Blart Mall Cop movie. It's not a Blart movie either. Okay. It's not a movie. It's a reality TV show.

Right. But the idea is this guy is doing jury duty, and there's a documentary crew following this jury through this trial to sort of get an idea of what it's like doing jury duty, which is interesting because we were talking about this a couple of years ago or maybe a year ago talking about what would it be like on a jury. We actually had a ton of emails about it and everything, but here's the catch. It's not a real trial and none of the other jurors are real people.

They're all actors and he has no idea. He thinks it's all real. So he thinks he's been some, he's doing this jury duty and he's just a regular guy and everybody else are his regular people, but they're not, they're all actors playing characters. The trial is ridiculous and they get sequestered for several weeks. So he has to live with these people with no phones, no internet, nothing like that. Um, it's, it's a really, really amazing show. Okay. Um, it's well worth the watch.'s very funny but it's also the the

difficulty of making a show like this must have been unbelievable because all the actors have to be in character all the time because they're spending like hours and hours and hours a day with this guy and they have to maintain this illusion at all times right some of them are so good at being their character that you 100 100 believe that you could believe that this guy would buy it um it's it's really nice it sounds a little bit like the rehearsal i don't know if you've seen the rehearsal or heard the rehearsal bell it rings a bell but um no that's okay well i'll i'll check it out i'll i'll watch the silo and then uh what's jury duty on it's it's uh it's so it's free on prime okay so it's on prime it's free

with ads right and the ads are like 20 seconds long yeah that's fine so it's like a half hour episode there's like one 20 second ad and sometimes i don't know what happens i think it just breaks it just doesn't bother showing you the advert right it just doesn't bother so yeah it's kind of weird i don't know if you guys ever use uh four on demand but um i just don't even watch channel four live for anything now like i know uh yeah spot the boomer watches tv still well i still do watch a bit of tv okay but channel four you don't even need to watch things live anymore because the fucking ads all the damn time like i know it's like every 15 minutes but it feels like it's every three minutes there's just there's ads but if you watch it on four on minutes. There's ads. But if you watch it on 4 On Demand,

there's no ads. They just show one quick Coors ad or something every 15 minutes. It's way less. It's much more enjoyable. You can actually watch a show in a reasonable amount of time. We had to fire up the Virgin box the other day to watch actual TV

because Eurovision, we watched Eurovision on like live. Right. Just on regular TV. Because otherwise on iPlayer, it's like, it's quite delayed. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a little bit behind, isn't it? Yeah. So we watched it live and that, I mean, it was literally like blowing the dust off the remote to fire up the TV. It's just not a thing. Yeah. Because I mean, I'm not,

I'm not, I'm not adjusting my schedule around when they deign to show a television program. I'm done with that. I did that for years. Now it's on my fucking terms. Thank you very much. I'll watch it when I want to watch it. It's great, but there's a push to go back to some of that now.

Have you noticed now that, you know, before like a show would come out and they would just give you all the episodes and people would binge through it. They're kind of drip feeding. They're going back to drip feeding it out on a weekly basis or whatever. But that's fine. I don't mind that. Because people just got really carried away with it. And they were like, you're talking to people and people are like, oh, fuck, I'm so depressed all the time.

I don't have anything to look forward to and stuff because like something comes out and i just watched all 13 episodes in one sitting and then they they just don't have like anything i know it sounds like such a stupid thing it's a tv show but like i it's no you're absolutely right it's nice to just have a couple of things lined up like that for the next week so that you're like oh shit yeah okay no i'm not gonna plan anything around tuesday night because that's when i'm gonna watch the new episode of whatever because that's what they've all decided to do in the tv industry is they've all agreed that yeah actually the old way of drip drip feeding it out worked really well people sure some people want to be able to binge the whole series and sometimes that does work but but mostly it doesn't and they've all

the streaming services have really changed their model from releasing it all at once to just um just fucking slowly you know exciting people getting conversation and it's almost like free advertising word of mouth and stuff you know and also it saves it saves things from being bad you know because if we if the whole all of series one of the silo would come out and all the reviewers have been like, ah, series one's bad,

spoiler, spoiler, spoilers. And then no one would have watched it or enjoyed it. Whereas now we're all experiencing it slowly together. Yes. And we're, we're talking about it as if it's good.

Yeah. I've been reading like succession. There's been a lot of, because the episodes are coming out once a week. It's good because you don't feel like you, you can go and, and join that conversation at any point in the week after you've watched the one episode you're not looking at like a mega thread

of the entire season straight away it's the return of the water cooler chat about tv series i think it existed for a reason in the first place it's nice to just have that you know like but it makes sense as well because if you spend millions to produce a tv show and everybody watches it then they're gonna say there's nothing to watch yeah so you want to drip feed it but it's not even drip feeding i think it's just i mean for one thing from their perspective you get articles analyzing how about that last episode of succession what do we make of it you know yeah yeah here's what we think at least two and then it gives people a chance to speculate it builds exactly it builds momentum on on the show it's like time gating content

I think it's good it's giving people a chance to catch up but they haven't done it for any other reason than they run out of content otherwise I refuse to believe that they're doing it because they want to return to some kind of well it's going to get even worse now too because with the writers strike there's going to be a huge delay

oh my god severance is delayed yeah well that's the first of many things that will just be delayed now so there's going to be a big drought soon like the longer it goes on as well right i think it's just smart right like it lets people catch up it lets people digest things in a more appropriate way it doesn't make force people to feel like they have to you know like invest huge look i think there's there's a cynical way to look at it and there's um a healthy way to look at it right and i think that the movies that the agencies don't care about us they just care about money but if it does fall on the side of us being able to manage it healthily ourselves you

know it's not as you don't want to have to sit down and like binge hours and hours of tv just to make sure you don't get spoilers for it yeah i think that's i think that sucks honestly yeah so like i don't know like i i think we're in it we are in a golden age of this stuff you know i just watched the um don't hug me i'm scared tv show what's that you heard of that no it's like a kind of it's kind of a meme. It used to be like, it was a series of animations on YouTube back in the day with these like three like kind of Muppet characters. Oh, yeah. And obviously the whole point of it was that it went very dark very quickly. So, it's this kind of weird psychological horror comedy surreal thing, right? And spawned so many memes it was only like six

short episodes on youtube but it was really popular had like a really popular following and they made six episodes of it on channel four i think watch it on four on demand i highly recommend it don't watch those yeah have you seen it no i haven't have you seen it no no i haven't seen it don't hope you're scared no no you seen it? No, no, I haven't seen it. Don't hug me, I'm scared. No, no. It's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's legit. Really recommend it. You'd love it, PFLAX.

It's exactly your kind of shit. I'm just trying to type the name in. What is it again? Don't hug me, I'm scared. It hasn't got a good name. That's the worst thing about it, I think. I think it would have done... It's on YouTube.

There's a show on Channel 4 called Alone and Naked and Cold and Afraid or something like that. Oh, I've seen this. I've seen this. It's too depressing. There's a TV show of this now. Six full episodes. It's really weird. It's really weird and cool.

Yeah, I love it. Weird and cool. You know, it reminds me of the Too Many Cooks short film, the Adult Swim. If you are someone who gets shaken easily, I would say don't watch it. It'll get stuck in your head, but it's called Too Many Cooks. The idea is it's like the opening credits of a sitcom. It's about 12 minutes long, I think, and it gets madder and madder and madder. And you come to realise that everyone in there is trapped in an alternate dimension, infected with some terrible disease that's making them be characters in the opening credits of a sitcom. That's the best way I can describe it.

It's insane. Right. Yeah. It's absolutely insane. So, yeah, it's called Too Many Cooks. I'm just going to look it up again. 2014. Yeah.

It's incredible. If you haven't seen it, watch it. It's 11 minutes long. I love this stuff it's it's genuinely bonkers have you guys been watching the uh have you guys been watching ted lasso i gave up after series two okay i tried to get back into it i've lost the mojo for the show entirely um the uh the the the it's the third season final season that's on right now third season yeah it's uh it's getting better like it it kind of slow start but you you know that it's just working its way up to an arc where

you know richmond win or do better somehow or whatever which is laughable they only got promoted last year which is it's fine though i mean it's just it's just meant to be like it is such a nice little feel good show, right? Like you don't have to think too hard when you're watching it. The difference between the first season and the second season was so glaring that it felt like the first season was something they'd worked on for some time. Yeah. And it honed it and they got it just right. Yeah.

And the second season and now the third season feels like they've thrown it together and it's lost to me What made the first series so good was it it felt like the feel-good moments were well-earned uh-huh, and it felt like they actually meant something and This now feels like a fucking soap opera and it has these instant payoffs for things And it's just not funny that's to me the fundamental problem of it is, season one was quite funny. Yeah. Season two was the opposite of funny. There was one episode,

the coach episode, where he's just off in London having a weird night. Yeah. That episode was so bad, it broke the show in my mind and I can't watch it again.

Yeah, I agree with that. I hated that episode. It was so fucking bad that it felt like amateur hour. It was kind of close to the end of the season too which felt a bit weird to have like it was just they didn't know what to do a big filler episode yeah yeah

but it was fucking abominable yeah it was offensively bad to me as a fan of the first series i was like appalled yeah stomping around shouting about it for like a week about how terrible it was yeah so i i put me off and i tried watching series three and i'm just like everyone's so i put me off and i tried watching series three and i'm just like everyone's these characters make you feel it made you feel give me a break what are you talking yeah this is some guru shit what are you talking about he made me feel he felt i don't want to be disappointed that's not a good feeling pissed off that his time was wasted i was just disappointed i was like i like this show and now it sucks i think that are that, are you not, are you not like, do you not have a resistant skin to that though? I mean, that's the story of my life, you know, Lost, Game of Thrones, fucking Battlestar

Galactica, every show I've watched and loved has gone to shit eventually. You know, anything like Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit films were shit, Star Wars, the new films were shit. Do you know what I mean? Like everything. Which new ones? The brand, brand new ones the brand brand new ones with um well no back in the day oh the phantom menace and all that right when i was

16 i mean from my whole life i've been disappointed by by properties that i love i'm i almost go in expecting to hate it and then come out thinking that it relieved do you know i mean like there's very few things that you know like i fully expect series two of severus to be shit you know i mean like there's very few things that you know like i fully expect series two of severus to be shit you know i fully expect all of these things i think series two will be probably okay but i feel like so much was given away at the end of season one that i don't know what how they're going to sort of introduce new, I mean, I know that they can introduce new stuff around it or whatever, but like, I feel like for me,

like the, like the, the, like some of the main questions that I had were all answered. And like, I felt like they could have probably dragged it out for a couple more seasons. And I would have been happy enough with that. Like it was a nice show and stuff,

but you just have the answers to all of these things now. And it's like in severance yeah i feel like yeah what answers do you have well you you kind of know who's behind everything what they're doing the point of it and stuff and like a lot of that could have been no no no no let's not talk about spoilers for service some people sure it's been out for a year fair enough yeah but no i felt like I felt like a lot was maybe maybe rightfully so

I feel I feel like you're absolutely right the point is that you like sort of I completely agree like you exactly you

you a lot of the joy of a new TV show is discovering that universe and the problem is is that once you haven't got that discovery and that questions

and you go into season two and you're like well yeah I'm now in the universe I've got baggage and there's nothing everything's been answered and then it risks going into just this really prolonged character development of the the main guy which you know it's it's fine enough but i like i'll switch off because for me the big thing was the questions around the whole setup, you know,

in the first season. It's like, why are they doing that? Who are these people? I know PFLAX, but we are so used to those questions. Either A, never been,

never been planned to be answered. Like in Lost, like there was never a proper answer to those questions. They just dangled them like a carrot on a stick in front of you for years and years. Hold on, chill. We're on season one this hasn't happened yet you can't throw the this under the lost bus i'm picking severance as the okay season severance

is the best example of a tv show that i think was my favorite tv show yeah in the last two years i'm picking it as one which i am even with that i'm not excited because i'm expecting to be disappointed even though i know that's the one which would probably be fine i feel like how season one went and how season one ended i'd be happy watching another season just to really tie it up but like probably beyond that not really for me i could imagine if this went to like four or five seasons or whatever it would become disappointing i'm happy to jump on that train i would love to be surprised, but you're saying that all these questions were answered in season one. No way.

Nothing's been answered. What do you mean? We don't know what this company even does. I'm not really saying that. We have a very good idea of what it does. And we know who the big person behind it is as well. We do not. Of course you do.

Here's the thing, right like the more you the more you introduce a setting the the less it is enjoyable and it because because in innately that universe you having that universe built for you makes it more familiar makes it less interesting makes it have less answers like the silo great it's a different setting you're in a silo you're understanding like things about the silo and they a lot of that stuff about the silo they gradually tell you it's like okay there's levels and they're not telling you in a story there are 100 levels but the people in their dialogue and the way they speak you intuit a lot of stuff from good dialogue about the universe and you start picking up clues and you start learning stuff that is inherently

missing in later series it's that universe building and i personally greatly enjoy being thrown into these settings and having this rich amount of information because that first season is often playing with the the extra cherry on the top of you're unfamiliar with this the the the cultures of these people and what they're doing and where they are what what they think, like who they are. And so often what you tend to find is that in books, certainly, the sequel will try and set their book in a very different setting in order to have, unless if it's a fantasy book,

certainly they'll go to the desert setting where everyone has a different culture and there's a different way of thinking. And they'll try and introduce again and reintroduce thisce this mystery right of a world that you don't know yeah season two we do know the world we do have a lot of ground rules and that doesn't mean that the story is worse but sometimes it does because they forget that you know they're missing that element of mystery yeah they're like everyone's coming in they don't treat their viewers often they treat viewers like they've just come in to season two um and they haven't watched season one and and they they don't respect that people have this baseline knowledge or interest like they assume that oh

people might have watched season one 10 years ago and they're coming back to season two so we have to do all this work and ruin the season to catch up all these idiots or the people who are half watching like so much tv tv classic tv is half watched right like yeah old tv is is is people just turn on the tv halfway through an episode of lost and people were expected to fucking you know catch up well if you look at the way all those reality tv shows go like before the break they'll set something up. And then after the break, they'll say, Steve's bought a new house in Luton

and he's hoping to upgrade it to a three bed from a two bed. It's like, we don't need a catch up. I've been watching the whole fucking episode. Yeah, I know. But so many shows still have this tutorialization. Yeah, I feel like another example for me, at least was Westworld, where the first season

i was so i loved it i i thought wow this is so crazy like i like you know like the the figuring out like how it was all set up and there was like loads of mystery around it and stuff and again by the end of season one it was just like all this shit had happened and then you have a much better understanding of how everything works and stuff. And you lose a lot of like the really interesting mystery stuff. Cause you know, going into season two,

it's, it's going to be more action from the start based on the stuff that's happened. Right. And then I watched season two and I didn't even watch it right to the end. And then I haven't watched season three, which I understand is pretty good. But for me, for me, like, and it's the same with severance it's like it's that it's the the

setting and and the and the mystery behind it you know and you're trying to figure out like why why are these things happening you know what are they doing and stuff and then you you're coming up with all these theories because they give you so little information and i think that's the thing you you you get nothing and then you just get fucking tons of stuff right at the end of the season and it's like oh shit like a million of my questions have been answered now and like i just don't know if i'm that interested anymore sort of thing you know i think i think what bugs me is is when a tv show is designed the story i mean severance i think is nine episodes if it was 18 episodes, I guarantee you those extra eight episodes would just be flannel and puff pieces.

Yeah, of course. And following characters around. It's like, oh, this is such an interesting arc. But it never is. No, no. It's always a really boring arc. By nature, it can't really change the main story too much. To fill it.

But a main story that is just, like, pretty concise, even if it's pretty simple, I don't mind if it's just, like, all in 18 episodes just to tell a main story that is just like pretty concise even if it's pretty simple i don't mind if it's just like all in 18 episodes just to tell a good story you know what i mean yeah i'd be so happy with that we don't need season two yeah don't need like a million like solo beard episodes like you know or or whatever like just just give me a cool story however long it needs to be episodes and i'm done and And I'm good. And I will sing its praises till the end of time. I don't need the prequel trilogy. I don't need the Hobbit trilogy.

I don't need this stuff. It's too much. I understand it makes money and sequels and prequels and things that lean on other things are good. But they're not. Severance bed sheets and lunch boxes. I think you can ruin your your the taste of um something you know like there is that too i think a lot of people feel like like with game of thrones specifically that was something they were hugely passionate about

and it was pulled it was pulled it was ruined for them like actively pulled out rug rug pulled you know well the pacing was another weird thing wasn't it because the the previous seasons the earlier seasons especially i thought the pacing was really nice because the books are really long and sprawling as well and i think if you read the books and you're going into the tv show you're you're just like this is great this is like you know i'm just more i'm just more immersed in this world that i already really enjoyed reading about or whatever. Yeah, it's like people getting tattoos or naming their children after characters, which is obviously a terrible, terrible thing to do when you're...

But then the final seasons, everything just fast forwarded like crazy. And I get it. Like, if you're working on something for a long time, you want to move on, you want to finish it off, whatever. It's a symptom of the nature of that business, right? Yes. I feel like it's a symptom of the the the nature of that business right yes i feel like it's just it's just sad that it happened and that that i'm ready for that inevitability with tv generally do you know what i mean yeah i still but yeah i still i still i'm still there's

enough cool universes enough cool things to explore you know and like westworld was really great you know oh cowboy robots like yeah it was really great, you know, oh, cowboy robots. Yeah, it was awesome. The first season was so cool. I loved it. And then the second season, not so much just because it was just like, you know, you felt like a second season for Westworld for me, it just felt like you were like behind the scenes at Disney World or something. You were like in the catacombsbs like in the first aid section or some you know what i mean like it's just like the the illusion is completely shattered and it's just it's it's kind of what you thought it was and then in some ways not what you thought it was but

you just kind of want to go back to the first season where there was like so much kind of mystery around it and you were just figuring it out and stuff i don't know i know i keep coming back to the same thing but i watched stand by it i watched porco rosso uh the other week uh which is an old um 1992 um miyazaki movie you know it's one of the miyazaki they're all on netflix yeah because they just do so well and it's obviously it's about a pig who's a pilot it's about a pilot pig but it's set at this sort of odd time and it sort of celebrates these about a pig who's a pilot it's about a pilot pig but it's set at this sort of odd time and it sort of celebrates these the kind of the golden well the golden age of the post-world war one fighters you know all these oh yeah like the um like the red kind of like ferraris you know and stuff like these like weird little kind of crazy looking jets from, well, not even jets. Like biplanes.

Yeah, like biplanes and triplanes and things. And I think, you know, if there was like a TV series of it, I wouldn't be interested. But it was a nice drop into an interesting universe at a time. I don't know, like it felt like a passion piece too. Obviously they all do old Miyazakis, you know, it feels like he gets obsessed with these sort of periods of time. Right.

Or universes. And really does a great job of just creating this kind of, I don't know, it's a good feeling, right? To be like thrown into this time period when everyone's acting and behaving. And I don't know things there's rules about what can and can't be done you know i know i just i just really enjoyed it and i obviously i think that's the classic thing with all these miyazaki films but also a lot of like good well-made pixar movies and disney movies right if you start watching them yes they're for kids but um they are really good they're really watchable. Yeah. They really hold your attention.

And yeah, so I, so I really enjoyed it. Just wanted to drop that, drop that out there. Shout out to me. Me, Brian,

me, is that what, I don't even know who Miyazaki is. Just an old Japanese man. All right. He's made like spirited away and how, okay. I've seen spirited away with the like weird ghost things and the, you know. Yeah.

There's a few of them that like will make you cry, like Grave of the Fireflies and stuff. I've not seen that one for precisely that reason. Yeah, Cedric Wobble too. No, I don't want to cry. I cry enough. You're done crying. Yeah, I'm done. Is that even him? It might not even be Miyazaki.

When was the last time you cried then? What was it about? If it's not too personal. What you what was the last okay no actually let me change the question when was the last time you watched a tv show or a movie or listened to music and when i at the weekend when i went to see fucking gardens of the galaxy 3 um there's some very sad moments in that and i my my daughters like me cry very easily at films mrs f does as well she cried when we were watching eurovision she cried at the bit where everyone comes on stage and they're singing you'll never walk alone she was tearing up i was tearing up i will cry at the drop of a fucking hat i really am a giant mess yeah certain things can really set me off as well

like uh i don't know. Music, music especially. I can listen to music and it'll make me it'll make me teary. It's very emotional. I had a really spicy burrito at the weekend and that made me cry, actually. Yeah, but you're an emotional husk. It takes spice. I dried up.

You gotta get spiced up before you're ready to open the floodgates. I got no shame. I don't fucking care. I'll cry and move you a piece of music. If it doesn't move you, then you're not really listening or watching. That's the way I see it. I watch something, when I'm watching a film, even a film that isn't particularly good,

like Guns of Galaxy 3 was all right, but there were some really well done moments in it that obviously were emotionally manipulative, but I don't mind that. That's what I want. I want to be emotionally manipulated. It's good to be tearing up a bit and i do tear up a little bit sometimes i i i tell you what i did this weekend i really enjoyed i played um twilight imperium have you played twilight and pflex it's an old isn't that a really old um role-playing

no it's not on steam oh i'm thinking of tw Twilight 2000. I just searched for it. Twilight 2000 was an old RPG. Twilight Pyramid is the flagship board game. Oh, board game. It's a mega, mega one. I don't talk to real people ever, really, in my life, except for tradespeople and my wife and my kids. That's fair enough. Occasionally teachers and other parents.

So this is the game, Lewis, that I was going to play when I came down to Bristol, but you decided it wasn't for me me and you uninvited me from the session of playing the game well let me tell you i think you should see that as you were such a threat i think so yeah you were gonna own so hard and he didn't want to look like an idiot in front of his board this is all about that cthulhu game it all comes back to the fact that lew me into playing a 17-hour board game. That is back in the back of my mind. Did you own? Did you slay while you were playing?

I won the game for us, but it was fairly obvious that I wanted it to be over. We got it done in like three or four hours, people. Three or four hours! And we got lucky!

It could have gone on much longer! We turned up at 11. Well, actually 10.30 on Sunday. And we left. guess what time we left the office 7pm later we left at 10pm

wow that's how long it took to play Twilight Imperium did the office stink when you guys were done like did one of you guys go out and be like oh shit I forgot my keys walk back in and you get that smell of stale people that have been in one room for did you get that smell of stale people that have been in one room forever. Did you get that?

No, actually. I kind of hate and like that at the same time. Maybe I was the stinky one, so I didn't have that awareness. Here's my question, Lewis. Is it possible to just get completely knocked out in Twilight Imperium and that's it, you're done, you've got to go? It is possible, but it hasn't happened with us. So you're basically in it for the whole game.

Like you've got a shot. It's very well designed where you are doing a free-for-all, but if you attack someone, like if you attack the person to the left or the person in front of you, you leave yourself very vulnerable to being attacked by the person on the right, do you know what I mean, or in front of you.

So you do have like this, there's this sort of cold war mentality where you don't really take it you don't really attack someone unless they're weak or unless they've got something you want like there's not often a lot of reasons to knock someone out because they don't take in their home worlds doesn't really give you anything so it's actually a very well designed it's like the fourth edition um of this board game it's an epic board game it's like the the king of board games it really really is like it's every every aspect of a board game is in there and you know from discovering things to slowly building infrastructure to slowly building ships and doing fights and

rolling dice it's got all of it. And it's great. We had an absolute blast. And I will play it with you, P-Flex, if you want, but it is a long one. I mean, I don't mind if we've got the right crew and it's not an evening when everyone's going to get out in the pub, then sure. Right, okay.

Well, it'll have to be a day. Yeah. But this one took longer than normal. I don't know why it just happened it was it was who were the players it was a monster sesh who were the players it was me jd from the longest jobs he was playing the lions the peace lions um i was and then it was me paul was next to me paul choy and then we had daf and mike so it was a good crew no ben um no ben no ben well ben's got family he can't do weekend can't come in sunday and spend the whole day playing a board game oh

talking of the um ball action vid that went out if you haven't seen it i recommend it we we did it the other night the indiana jones when it was really me and p flex did an indiana jones and ben um he dm game on right um it was really good we had i'd say the two things that were most commented on number one of course the is it a howitzer or a 25 pounder apparently it's both and number two okay when i was joking that a plane missing a propeller could definitely still take off apparently the centrifugal forces of the propeller would rip the engine out of its housing or something like that because it's all balanced around there being three propellers if you only had two it would

wobble and shake and fall apart and apparently this has happened um so there you go i'm aware now thank you for the for the comments that's good tonight can i tell you guys some personal good news um sure i mentioned it before started, but I just want to reiterate that my downstairs toilet is finally nearly back in action. We're like two steps away from just having a fully working downstairs toilet again. It has been out of action since October of last year. So, you know, we've been suffering big time, but it's coming up. It's it's coming up it's coming home and uh we're gonna be able to have guests around again so that they can use only the downstairs bathroom if they desperately need to use it and i think that's a really good thing for for me and my family as well i think so it's

just fascinating i know yeah i just thought i'd let you guys know so a lot of work being done on the house and uh after pipe burst, rendering the whole crapper offline for six months. Just not the best, you know, not the best. Fuck it up. So, are we recording tomorrow, by the way? Because I'm going on holiday next week and there won't be a podcast otherwise. I'm coming down on Sunday.

You're not going to be there for the whole week I'm down. So, when are you going to be there? I know. Where are you going again, Lewis? Florida. Florida for a week. Oh, my God, man. Me and Pat go see Bobo. Are you guys going to go to Disney World while you're there?

We're doing two days in Disney World, yeah. You got to. You can't go to Florida. There's nothing else to do there, right? Like, what the hell else are you going to do in Florida? I don't know. Oh, man. You're going to go to Universal Studios as well?

It's like just down the road from... Oh, that's not a bad idea. Yeah. We hadn't know. Oh man. You're going to go to Universal Studios as well? It's like just down the road from... Oh, that's not a bad idea. Yeah. We hadn't planned it though. Maybe some different rides or whatever? Do you like that kind of thing? Sure, I'll keep it in mind. Good idea. Go fishing. Have some key lime pie while you're down there too. I think that might work

actually because I think Boba's dad might be a fisherman. It's so much fun. Florida is great for fishing. Go gator fishing lewis don't go gator fishing go i'm not really some gators although i'm not really an outdoorsy man no me neither you've seen me right i've not left the house since i got back from yeah but i feel like i don't even do a portage while you're there we're covering everything we're covering everything. We're covering everything this week. Portage, Disney, fishing. Land in Florida, rent a car, just start driving north as far as you can go.

And then once you start to see the pine trees, boom, you know it's ready. It's time for a portage. You're ready to go. Get the canoe out. Get the canoe out. Get into Algonquin National Park. Canoe out to an island.

Whole week, shit in a hole. No problem. You know there's a national portage association Yeah Well yeah I know I'm the president so I should know I feel like we should do a portage Guys I would portage

I think honestly that's what it's going to come to Eventually when my kids are a bit older And I can actually justify Being away for like a week And we could do a portage. I think we should do it. We could just get GoPros because you would have to bathe in a lake every day and you literally would have to shit in a dugout hole. There's no facilities whatsoever. Can I just say, you're a fan of portage, right? I'm a big enough fan of portage.

The one time I did it in my life, I enjoyed it immensely. Sorry, so Portage is carrying your canoe across Canada to camp in. There is a town in Wisconsin called Portage. Oh. What? Yes. I don't know if I would- We've come full circle, gentlemen.

We could cast off from Portage, but I don't know if i can go to wisconsin because i feel like if i landed at wisconsin international airport uh i would be mobbed immediately by a very polite angry wisconsinites yes and also i don't know the land polite but firm i don't know what i don't know like the the native species there i don't know like i don't know the flora i don't know like the native species there. I don't know like, I don't know the flora. I don't know the fauna. So I think if we're going to portage, let's portage where I portaged the one time I portaged, because I'm going to be the expert on this one. Let's go to Ontario and hit up Algonquin National Park. It's got bears, it's got everything.

But if we're on a little island, it'd be fine. He's Canadian. Yeah, but he's Edmonton Canadian. It's a bit different. I don't think headian it's a bit different no i don't think he's ever done a portage no he's like he's like a like a city slicker you know he likes poutine yeah of course he does of course he does he probably has like a pet polar bear and lives in igloo and that washes it all down with maple syrup as well i'm i a real Canadian. Wow. Because I've done one four times.

50 years ago. When I was 13 years old. Take that whole joint. And on that bombshell, that's the end of our episode this week. I've got to send him a message now.

What is this? Oh, sorry, Paul. We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Bye.