Triforce! - Triforce! #269: We replaced Sips with Harry

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

Triforce! Episode 269! Sips falls to Storm Ciaran but we've got our first EVER guest on the Triforce Podcast... it's Harry from Zero Degrees (and, of course, Yogscast)! Check out Harry with Lydia and Ravs in the Zero Degrees Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWuLwySWgNurLqDvoPfEcXw Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello everyone and welcome back to the Triforce podcast. A very special episode today. Very special. Historic. As one of our members is going to be sounding a little bit different today because of flooding meaning that the dad garage is out of action and we've had to bring in their son bring in their bring in their replacement um from the very excellent zero degrees podcast and the oxycast of course and my my wonderful friend harry well welcome harry to the show hello how we doing

all right we're doing all right it's unsettling it's unsettling it's this is weird to have you have you i feel like i'm like on my first day in the office i'm wearing my dad's suit i'm nervous everyone's talking at the coffee machine i don't drink coffee yet because i'm 12 right it's intimidating you know yeah you don't know anyone and and you know you've seen these people from afar yeah you've admired them i've admired them a lot i've got i've got pictures of them on my wall of them my posters you know what it is it reminds me of harry do you remember your sister was in doing work experience i think it was earlier this year yeah yeah because she's so tall i was like you come to the pub and everyone was like she's like tall, I was like, you coming to the pub? And everyone was like, she's like 15, period. I was like, oh.

It's like that. Just the new kid in the office. It is literally just like that. No, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. I'm sorry Sips isn't here. What has actually happened? Has Jersey been swept into the sea?

Storm Kieran has happened. Struck a mighty blow. Back in the day, when I was only like three or four, there was a big storm called the Great Wind. 1987. Of 87. I was at school. That was my first year of secondary school.

And that was my first week when that happened. So I have very good recollection of it. Yes. It was insane. It was a big wind that hit the south of England. And one of our trees in our garden blew over and crushed next door's greenhouse oh my god uh that was what that's what i remember i think i think it's it's in my lifetime the worst sort of national storm that i can remember there might have been really

bad ones that may be affected very small regions um i mean there have been some terrible storms that led to really bad floods but in terms of just raw wind power this one was the big one and and when it hit the night before very famously the bbc weatherman was like her i've had a message from a mrs stevenson in kettering and she says is there a storm coming no there is no storm coming and of course there was and it was fucking devastating so many trees got knocked down did he get fired did he continue his job because that's a pretty big boo-boo right no i think it was was it john ketley or was it michael fish it was michael fish i mean the original

15 million trees were blown down 15 million trees that's such a great stat wow i know someone had to count all them, Harry. Someone had to go around and count all the trees. How many roof tiles? Do we have 32 million roof tiles displaced? So it did 6 billion pounds worth of damage. Wow. And 97 as well.

That's a lot of money. 87. That's adjusted. That's adjusted. So 2 billion at a time, 6 billion adjusted. Wow. But yeah, absolutely mad. But here's the hurricane controversy.

A few hours before it broke broke he said during the weather early on today apparently a woman rang the bbc and said she heard there was a hurricane on the way well if you're watching don't worry there isn't and it was the worst storm to hit south eastern 300 years wasn't technically a hurricane though i mean even i've referred to it as the great wind right this is not this is not really like we don't have proper scary american style you know hurricanes and actual things that like boba has every week yeah you know uh i think each hurricane that hits florida does more damage than this ever did right but equally like five of them our infrastructure our buildings aren't designed you know our poor poor trees aren't designed for this. They've got palm trees.

They're like made of rubber. They just bend over. Yeah, they love it. They're happy in the wind. For us, it's like this shocking experience. Sip said he had four feet of water outside his door at one point. Oh, my God. Because it's sort of, you know, but then I guess it all drained away and just.

But the thing is, apparently this has happened to him before. So all of his stuff is up on tables anyway. He lives in Twickenham. Michael Fish lives in Twickenham. I'm going to keep my fucking eyes peeled for him. Sorry, carry on. I think Michael Fish is dead, isn't he? No.

But he died. Who am I thinking of? I'm thinking of the guy, I'm thinking of Murray Walker. Murray Walker with the Grand Prix announcer. Yeah, they've all got similar vibes, haven't they? Have they? Old man with a moustache. I see. Used to be on the BBC. walker with the the grand prix announcer yeah they've all got similar vibes haven't they old man with a mustache you know used to be on the bbc you know semi-famous just because we grew up

in the the 90s like john ketley yeah who the fuck is john ketley see this is what i mean even like your efforts even go over my head he's an old weatherman who the fuck is john do we do you have exactly like I thought he would look. Do you have a list of your favourite weathermen? Like, oh my God. So there was a song in the 80s. John Ketley is a weatherman, a weatherman, a weatherman. John Ketley is a weatherman and so is Michael Fish.

And it went on like that. It was like a novelty song. A novelty song. Yeah. That used to be a big thing. Novelty songs. They did. And you don't get them. There were a bunch of them.

Yeah, you don't get them as much. I was thinking of one recently when we did the Dad's Army one, because Clive Dunn, who was the hopeless old doddering old man on Dad's Army, but actually he was quite a young man, did like, I think he even did like a Christmas number one. Probably. It was like the Winifred School school choir um there's no one quite like granddad yeah there's no one quite like granddad yeah that was that was a big one oh my god so they used to do them all the time i guess it was the world was a smaller place back then you know

and so everyone heard of everything yeah like you couldn't get away from it all uh it was the only thing that was on telly or on the radio and everyone listened to the same couple of radio stations or watched the same couple of television shows. I guess even in the UK, we didn't have cable TV like the Americans did, to the extent that they did. Occasionally, I'd go to my Nana's and she did have cable TV and then there'd be hundreds of channels and I'd be like, oh my God, I'm a bit overwhelmed. But most people, and even today, look at how popular Love Island or Big Brother or these cultural trends, they do seem to kind of somehow penetrate through

and everyone knows. There's always going to be a few shows. I think people enjoy it though. It's nice watching something else that other people have watched, sharing in that cultural experience. I think it's enriching, right? It's nice to find your own niches on the internet, but equally, it's kind of boring not being able to share that with anybody it's quite funny to be able to

watch this big cultural moment and point and laugh at it i mean i certainly like i can't discuss dopa memes with mrs f but we if we watch a tv show together we can talk about it so yeah niche interests are great and everything but i do do you guys reckon just just i was thinking about this that the whole novelty records thing has been replaced by people on YouTube or TikTok making a funny song. And that's just popular in that regard. Whereas previously you had to write something like Shut Up, Eat Your Face. You know what I mean? Like, which was a very big song.

What's the matter you? Gotta no respect. It's a nicer day. Have some pizza. Shut Up, Eat Your Face yeah it's the classic it's the italian american slightly racist chance that probably wouldn't fly these days i think yeah it was i think he was english oh he's american australian he's a he's a prick by the way i saw an interview with him he he does not see it as a novelty song that he got lucky with he's like people misunderstood my genius he's a real ballad it's quite sure yeah he doesn't think of his thing as

a comedy song no it's one hit wonder uh that's that's pretty i i sort of semi-expected it the i mean you're right like things like snl i saw theL. I saw the Barbie parody they did. The one with the, it's just Pete, with Pete Davidson instead of Ken. Yeah, I saw that. I don't really get Pete Davidson. Maybe it's a young person thing.

Harry, maybe you can explain it to me. He's not funny. I don't find him funny either. No. I don't. He's weird. He's weird. He falls into me in like that weird 2010 internet humour

where random was funny do you know what I mean like that he feels very much that kind of humour to me and I don't I never really got that humour

I mean he's I also don't understand how I mean he does strike me as a particularly good looking chap he must be extremely charming because he's had a lot of

really hot girlfriends he has dated basically everyone the best of the best yeah that's right he's proof that lot of really hot girlfriends. He has dated basically the best of the best. Yeah, that's right. He's proof that little Jimmy can do it. He is an inspiration to every sad, cucked-looking man in the world.

It's brilliant. In that respect, I love him. He just looks like a really goofy guy. Yeah. I don't fully understand it. Some people would say, you know, like, well, he's really funny and that obviously helps him. But I don't think he's very funny.

No, he's not funny. Like, if you look at him on SNL, he's always Pete Davidson. He never plays a character. Yeah, well, this is it. That's the part of the song mocks this, really. Right. I think he's always been an SNL darling, though, a little bit and surrounded. I think he's always been an SNL darling, though, a little bit,

and he's lived in that world of high-end LA parties, drugs, I don't know, surrounded by people who are in that oeuvre. And also, I think when you date, all you have to do is date one real famous hot woman, and then other famous hot women will be like, oh, he dated that famous hot woman. And that gives you the past. There must be something. She dated him that gives you like the past yes you've got like the there must be something she dated him so it's pre-selection to him it's called pre-selection

apparently um i'm sure we'll get some emails about this but apparently it's a theory that a lot of women if they see a man in a relationship will think oh he must be not bad because some other woman picked him you know what i mean whereas i don't think blokes think like that at all not quite so we don't think oh that girl's going out with that lad well she must be all right then he's so attractive that guy's ripplingly attractive wow i don't know really the same but yeah novelty songs they were this they were this thing there was like a mr blobby one there was all there's there was all sorts but now i guess it's more built into things like bo burnham or like comment like yeah you know things like this right like tim minchin is another auntie donna love auntie donna so much so um oh shit i've forgotten in the time it took me to say what i was gonna think this is a standard

this is a standard this is a bit is it right now ticket off the bingo card we carried on talking about something for 60 seconds too long and periods forgotten his thread yeah um standard oh it happens to the best let me tell you about my flight i so i got back from seattle on on tuesday yeah we're sort of in a holding pattern here because sips isn't here and we don't want to talk too much about what we've been doing while we've all been away i mean it's all right because let's do it anyway sips doesn't play doTERRA anyway sips can listen back to the podcast yeah i'm sure he'll do hi sips can we also get like occasional like what we think sips would have said about novelty songs absolutely i think he think he would talk about new metal at this point

or something that Fred Durst did. I think that's what he would say. Not that Sips is particularly into Limp Bizkit, but I think when we start thinking about music in the 80s and 90s, he will bring up Limp Bizkit or something like that. But I don't know if any of the real popular bands actually did

novelty songs. I don't know if any 80s like rappers did slade were big and they did it's christmas well this is the thing this is okay talking about yeah they were huge were they they have been lived they have been coasting off the christmas song for 25 years yeah getting together naughty holder what the fuck well i mean that's the funny thing i i've i can't remember when i read this but if you do something for christmas right it it it can sometimes make you immortal in the case of like yeah did you see her weird trailer she like yeah that was weird she like

put her tweet with this video of her and ice and she was being defrosted like she was getting ready for Christmas. Yeah. It felt like, I don't know, some horrible... A horrible microwave. Some horrible dystopian world where Mariah Carey's just cryogenically frozen and we break her back. It's no matter, it's just a microwave Mariah Carey. Yeah, give her some Mariah.

Try to defrost Mariah. Like, no. Here we go. No. 30, 83 and we're still doing it. I think the weird thing is, is that's basically her saying, my career is over and this song that I did 20 odd years ago is the only reminder you have that I exist.

Do you think back like 2000 years ago when they had like, you know, a folk song that they'd play around festival season and Dave would have written it. And every year Dave would be like, I'm going to play the song. They had the same kind of, oh, fuck off off dave experience that we have with mariah is this like absolutely i'm sure that's happening at like hippie sort of places all over the world where they have like their yearly festival and this one couple of guys have been running it for 35 years and every tradition for him to get his guitar out and sing it around the campfire yeah absolutely like look i i'm sure it happens on a small microcosm as as it does on the yeah on the

yeah on the mega also you know there would have been a moment where the name dave represented new tech like that was right yes no one had met someone called what's his name dave what an exotic and unusual name. Dave. Wow. They would have been very excited. Real forward finger, Dave. Yeah. Amazing. You see this sometimes in like 80s and 90s TV shows where people have got these names

that just are old person names now. Like Roz or- Arthur. Or Joey. Gerald. Gerald. I have not met a kid named Gerald in a very long time. What about Sheldon?

No. Who's naming their kid Sheldon? Well, people that are fans of that fucking dog shit show. What's it called? Big Bang. I know, but they wouldn't name you after the nerdy one, would they? Do you see what I mean? Yeah, they would.

I feel like they've accidentally destroyed... If you're writing a sitcom with a nerdy character, you kind of have to be careful not to ruin people's lives with that name. He's the most popular character. And there are some diehard fans of that piece of shit. It's true. He's not real. People named their kids after Ayn Rand.

He can't hurt you, period. He's just on the television screen. People named their kids after Ayn Rand, and she was bonkers. Yeah, but she's not awful like Andrew Tate or whatever. She is awful. Yeah, but culturally, no one's read enough of her.

No one understands what Ayn Rand's fucking message is. It's Ayn. Well, no, but people pronounce it Ayn, don't they? It's Ayn Rand. So it's kind of... Well, let me tell you, Ayn Rand is enough for me. I don't they it's ayn rand so it's kind of no one no one well let me tell you ayn rand is enough for me i don't want to say after ayn rand yeah they do then again no one's

no one's saying oh you're crazy son andrew after andrew tate you need to watch you need to watch uh all watched over by machines of loving grace by adam curtis documentary about the influence that ayn rand had i don't want to get political here, but the influence that her writing had... I've watched a lot of Adam Curtis stuff, and I always feel like it's a little bit bollocks. You're an idiot. I kind of can't... Some of the

connections that he makes are so mental, though, in his documentaries. It's interesting. It's like a philosophical essay. It's intriguing. It's a thought piece. Yeah. I mean, the head of the Fed Bank in the US was a philosophical essay. It's intriguing. It's fascinating. Yeah. I mean, the head of the Fed bank in the US was a massive fan of Ayn Rand. That is important to know. That is well worth knowing.

If he was a brony and all of a sudden bronies were everywhere, you'd think, what's going on here? It matters. The influences on these people and the groups they belong to matter. Sorry, where have the bronies gone? Yeah, with the bronies. That's such an interesting point where are the bronies this is a very good way did they disappear it's the same thing that happened with that viral video about nfts that came out that killed nfts like everyone was like have you seen this viral video

was it line goes up or whatever no everyone saw that and every nft person out there suddenly just was like oh they changed their ideas from NFTs to AI. It's like AI is the new thing. I mean, anyone you asked about NFTs, you're now asking about AI. It's totally, they've scuttled away back into the corners, you know. So you think the Bruni generation evolved into the NFT bro salesman, Bluetick salesman? Is that the pipeline?

No, not in any way is that the case is that the pipeline I think they realised that this was not a fight they could win do you know what I mean well I mean also they stopped making the show didn't they I don't know that might just be the answer

I think they just stopped making the show I think no they woke up one show. I mean, they don't... I think, no, they looked... They woke up one morning and realised they were in the fucking Nazi death cop, whatever, with the skulls on their helmet, and they were like, oh, shit, we're the bad guys. Look at what I'm doing. I think they're just older now.

I think that it was a cohort of people that fell in love with that show that were probably paedophiles and have now gone on to other things. Well, this is what I'm saying. They realised one morning that they didn't want to, they weren't, but that's what everyone thought they were. Wait, would Sips push back on that?

No. Okay, Sips will go, look, I'm trying to figure out my role here. I don't know if Sips makes an inflammatory standout statement. I guess I'm sitting with a thumbs up right now yeah you just chill just chill Harry

that's an order oh god you're like you're like if we were on the front lines here and bullets are whizzing overhead

and you're just lying down and we're just looking at each other like what happens all the time mate and you're like

they're shooting at us sir but yeah that fucking happens every day can we shoot back please Perion makes

ridiculous claims every podcast that's like that's like heels of the internet it's quite interesting though because it does feel like we have evolved they fill the same role right you know it's kind of a collective group that everyone on the internet kind of just hates or can easily shit talk you can always point and laugh and if it isn't i think you're right ai bros are the next kind of heel but who's the next heel like who me old men on the internet yeah maybe seriously my generation are going to really be despised if we're not already because we're going to start telling people that the only reason the

internet is good is because we did the hard work in the early days and people are going to be like fuck off it's better now than it ever was and and be like, oh, you don't remember the back of the days when something awful, blah, blah, blah, and we'll make all these claims, and people will tell us to shut the fuck up. And old people are on TikTok now. My mum is on TikTok fucking 24-7, commenting on shit. It's terrifying. Mum's commenting on TikTok is an interesting,

I've heard about this a lot, it's an interesting discovery. My girlfriend's mum, my partner's mum, actually runs a TikTok account where she posts fake replies. She just lies on TikTok. And I was just, I was like, why are you doing this? And she was like, it's fun.

I like to just lie to people on the internet. I was like, what the fuck? Old people just don't belong at all. They just don't know where they're meant to be I think they're lost what they're meant to be doing is going to flower shows and drink a tea and instead now they're on the internet

watching Crufts and Chelsea Flower Show yeah just relax but they don't they're like no I have to be part of this online movement it's like no please don't it's just like I feel too old for it you are definitely too old for it

stop put the phone down and chill they please don't. It's just like, I feel too old for it. You are definitely too old for it. Stop. Put the phone down and chill. They just don't understand any of it either. No. They don't understand the idea of a dick pic. They're so clueless. Yeah, all the dick pics my mum sends me are rubbish.

But they just don't, they can't even fathom these things you know um i've got my hand in the air this is something we've asked you about me and sips this is the point harry where sips and i are like we still don't really understand it we don't really get the whole thing yeah so it's interesting talking now about me and Sip. You understand what it is. Yes. And we are equally bothered about it. But, Perrin, you're a man. You understand. There's a different level of misunderstanding of the even older generation, right?

Imagine you don't understand it, knowing everything you know about how this works. You have a deep-seated knowledge of how the internet works, and what's on it, and what's out there. Imagine what this is like for people who come from a different generation. They're clueless about so many aspects of it. And it leads them down these sort of- to have these weird opinions about it that just don't gel with anything we do. Which is why it's impressive that Adam Curtis has such staying power he's making he's made documentaries for about 20 years i think i have watched them all and i love i love them but they are like oh they just feel like so psychedelic do you mean i like that because they're all like

they he connects like kennedy with fucking bitcoin or something jeremy now i have some he'll have some like there'll be everything entirely conspiracy like conspiracy theory based it's not like it doesn't feel like he's spinning you this i don't know complete fairy tale no it's quite great it is in his psychedelic it's still relatively great if you haven't watched any like but he speaks with such authority and it just feels like when i watch it sometimes it feels like it's either exaggerated or or um like kind of assumptions that like these some yeah like these assumptions are made that these things are connected and i'm like well i mean you've it's i guess what i'm

saying is it's interesting that this thing happened and this thing interesting happened is that a coincidence i'm i'm always like probably but he's always like this is caused it you know this is on purpose or this is related and i'm i'm kind of like you know it is fascinating that he digs through all this archival footage and finds these connections but that's such a human trait though to want to make things connected and not just accept the randomness of everything right like that's so yes so core to us that i think that's why it speaks to people well of course because it's reassuring to think that everything is connected not just random garbage that's happened in a random order you know it's it's kind of we want to have that

like like when uh this is why conspiracy theories happen so often it's because we want to believe that there's a a higher pattern when something awful happens um you know we want to we want to think that it was a rational thing rather than just the the bad just chance or you know um yeah idiots or or crazy people i do i do find it entertaining that it feels like it feels like a time where conspiracy theories are rife on the internet and you know fat and incorrect facts are everywhere but i feel like it's it's it's the elder generation who are warning us constantly don't be careful what you read on the internet sean and just completely fucking hurt line and sinkered on it just it's such brain rot for me just the weakest to it and the most proliferate the warnings you know yeah that is interesting

oh my god so yeah you went to um oh yeah so my flight right here's my flight i went to we've all been away we've all been away i went to seattle for two weeks uh last couple weeks of october i flew out there for the international which is like a big annual derby tournament spoken about it in in in episodes of the past i went again with my 10th ti which is insane went out there flight out there was amazing right half empty as i'm sitting down i saw you saying this in your dressing gown there was literally half the plane so i'm sitting down there's no one next to me there's a lady in front of me two empty rows in front of her, another dude to my right, a dude,

and then like 10 empty rows. The stewardess comes around before the plane's taken off. She says, we're fully boarded now. So once we take off, just lie down wherever you like. You've got, you've all got a raise yourself.

That is the dream. That is the dream. And I was in, I was like, thank God. And then because she, they, they sort of serve sections of the plane.

Like there'll be a couple of stewardesses and all the food is for the back of the plane. And then the middle of the plane has another bunch of stewards and stewardesses and they've got their bit of food. So what, she just brought you four meals and a bottle of champagne? She brought me, she said, can I get your drink?

I said, I'll have a glass of white wine, please. And she was like, filled it up. It was like a half a pint of white wine. Had one of them, waited a couple of hours, had another one and slept for like five hours on the flight. It was amazing. So my question is is i've tried this sort of thing before and the seats are they don't like line up right it can be comfortable to lie down yes i'm with you on that bumps this was a this was a i don't know what the what piece of equipment it was but this was an airline

operated by delta the the seats were flush and you can completely flush. The seatbelt things didn't poke up to you. None of that. And you could flip up the dividers and it was literally like, and it was four. It wasn't a three. It was a four. And I could completely lie down and like on my back,

I could just lie on my back completely extended. And it was that wide. And it was completely flat. It was amazing. It was amazing. Did you have like a duvet or anything? Yeah, I had a little blanket

and a couple of pillows. The blanket is so white, isn't it? It's so white. Skinny blanket. It made me think of the kind of shit they give you in hospital. Do you know what I mean? Do you need a blanket

and it's like a tissue? What do they do with those blankets? Do they take them and wash them? Do you just get new ones every time? Yeah, they launder them. I think they launder them. I think that's why they can't, there's like a they can't give two fluffy big plush ones or else they'd end up like a net the laundry would be just jammed full yeah so it's

kind of like a how small can we make this blanket while also you know keeping it yeah clean and then they just stick it in a plastic bag and it's like it never happened i mean there's just some some business somewhere entirely operates on washing the shit that comes off planes. I guarantee you that's their whole fucking thing. Oh, of course. Virgin and all the other airlines turn up. And hotels. Yeah, all that stuff. But yeah, I always... Do you have like your plane costume? Do you have like a specific set of

shoes and clothes that you wear? I just wear very comfortable trousers. So normally not like tight jeans. I wear like a baggy pair of... I've got a pair of corduroys that are very, very comfy and a hoodie. And a hoodie preferably with a hood that I can put all the way up.

It'll cover my face. Yeah, that's the strap. Yeah. People always forget it's cold on planes. It's fucking cold as shit. Yeah. You need to stay warm.

I think it's because the Americans who like to, they get, I get to England and I set my thermostat to 18. That's like a standard thing it's like and if they don't have air con in the hotel that they can set to 18 and sleep in the

cold freezing fucking cold then they go crazy they're very delicate when it comes to temperature the americans yeah i don't know why but if there's anyone complaining about ac at anywhere it'll be the americans there's no ac it's like yes that's how most of the world lives we'll be commenting on the on the on the temperature but we won't be complaining about it yeah we'll just roll you're a bit hot in it but we don't have ac most places don't have ac i'm sorry america so yeah i think that's why it's so fucking cold but yeah i've got my like plane gear set up, like pretty much sorted now. And it makes the whole thing a lot more. What are you rolling with?

It's like a big fluffy hoodie, like you said. Big fluffy pants, comfy pants, like trainers. And then I have like usually some sort of extra blanket or like cushion in my bag that i bring in with me just to like kind of you know so there's a way you can prop yourself up or like support yourself against a window or or you know i've done enough of the trips where i've like fallen asleep with my head like against a panel like you wake up and you can't move your arm for like two days or whatever yeah yeah yeah where you're just fully fully locked and yeah and like the um i mean they always give you i don't know if they give you this in um i haven't done a yeah

they still they always give you like a little pack with the toothpaste and a toothbrush in there and stuff like that um so you don't need to bring those yourself but it's nice to have like snacks as well like like chewy sweets and some crisps because i don't know about you guys but my fucking head feels like it's going to explode when during like takeoff and landing i get like such pressure yeah can you not do the thing where you pinch your nose and blow i've well sometimes when i do that it that's called a valsalva maneuver no it's not isn't it no i don't think i don't i think the valsalva maneuver is more violent oh is it it's like shove both your fingers up your nose and just... No. I mean, that's the one that I do when I have

arrhythmia in my heart, is the Valsalva Maneuver. That's more compression of the chest. Oh, really? Yeah, I think it's more. This one is just a gentle blowing down your nose. Well, whenever I do that, sometimes it completely fucking feels like something in my head is going

to explode. So no, I try not to do that. I agree, Liz. It's quite a violent maneuver. I don't know how people just do that casually. To me, it feels like a blood vessel is going to pop in my eyes. I could do it gently and pop your ears, but every time... I used to be fine when I was younger, but now, if I try and do it, it just

feels like I'm fucking about to rip through a fucking sinus or something it's terrifying you should don't be gentle with myself yeah well i go ham i go hard he's not fucking pussy period come on all right well calm down jeez so so so you got to you got to america you got to seattle um how was seattle do you enjoy being in seattle no it was shit it was shit is it a show why is it i used to love it i've i've not seen a city go downhill as hard as seattle has really yeah in every way um it's it's uh the homeless problem there is out of control out of control we went

down there's a part of the town where there's like lots of shops and stuff like that second avenue for any seattleites that know down there past like pike you know past pike place down towards the other end is it pine uh anyway around there there's a mcdonald's colloquially known as mcstabbies because nice all the homeless people that's like the epicenter i saw people shooting up in broad daylight in doorways people smoking crack homeless people on every corner all the shops around there have like armed security guards volunteer force there's a group called something like oak and iron and they're like a volunteer security force with body vests and they act like police and that's the most american thing ever very american um and it's like it's like a fucking war zone it's it's crazy

compared to what it used to be like used to be a, kind of vaguely hippie-ish in some aspects. And now it's just tech bros and homeless people. And the prices in Seattle, I've never been anywhere more expensive in my life. It was unbelievable. Unbelievable. £10 a pint. Easy. £10 a pint.

Everywhere. And the food. So we were given... This bothers me. You working for Valve, by the way. pound a pint everywhere and the food here is so we were given um this is this is this is this this is you working for valve by the way yes i don't live there one of the richest companies they're not the problem the problem is the way amazon if you talk to anyone in seattle they fucking hate amazon because of what they did to seattle you can go up and read about it i'm not going to take the time i'm not going to expend the labor to explain it to you. Do it on your own time, all right?

There is a lot to read about what Amazon has done to Seattle and how it's fucked the entire city up. So here is some of my orders that I placed. We were given an Uber Eats per diem that PGL would pay for us to eat because it was cheaper than having catering, hotel catering. PGL was the company running the event, right? Yes. Oh, I see.

So you're not technically paid by Valve. Right, so here's an example. This is an order that I placed. A Chinese restaurant called Din Tai Fung. Any Seattleites will probably know it. This was what my order was. One chicken fried rice, one sauteed string beans with garlic.

How much do you think that cost? 12 quid? A little burritos. Plus delivery, 12 quid? I don 12 quid i don't know how about 60 what how about 60 how about this place this is uh hong kong bistro this is a chinese restaurant that i ordered from and my order was one roasted pork which is just like some chunks of roasted pork not a huge amount uh chow mein and uh some stir-fried broccoli 80 dollars to you oh my god yeah it's absolutely insane that is that is i watch i actually don't that's insane it is how is that cheaper than the fucking because catering is is unbelievable we got some idea of how much it is let's say you go to a hotel you're there for an event or you're staying over or whatever it's like a conference or something and they have one of

those big urns of coffee you know those ones yeah yeah so the price of one of those is about eight hundred dollars at this hotel what are you talking about that's the price that is how much it costs every time they fill it up like what is going on it's just the price i was i see it's the hotel are charging that because they know they can get away with it yeah right hundred dollars so if you give people 80 bucks a day to buy whatever the fuck they want and just go that's it we're out you've got 80 dollars make it work um they'll then they'll do it and you'll top up the over over that with your own money when you were going out out there, did you think, well, $80 a day, I'm going to be eating like a king, it's going to be steaks every night.

Literally. Can barely afford some chow mein. Like I don't spend 80 quid a fucking week on food for me and I've got $80 a day. No problem. And yeah, it was like one good meal

or two very small meals. So, I mean, to be fair, and I'm sure someone will be thinking this, there is the delivery cost and there's the markup from Uber Eats. So, okay, let's go out to a restaurant and eat there instead.

Similar kind of prices. It's all expensive. Cup of coffee, nine bucks for a cup of coffee. It's just insane. So yeah, Seattle is just like that. Is this what's happened?

I feel like we're getting the same sort of thing about San Francisco, a place that are trying to be very liberal, supportive cities to help homeless people. And so they become like actually a beacon or a magnet to them. And I heard that people were busing, you know, some cities were like literally getting buses to put their homeless people and send them to san francisco and i don't know how much of that is like just scary well there are a lot of them on the west coast they a lot of a lot of homeless people west coast but uh i'm surprised because seattle's such a weather city yes that was my thing i was like if you're gonna go somewhere i understand california i mean it's seattle it could just be you know the west western east coast are the most densely populated it's america right and it those are the most densely populated bits of America, right? And those are the biggest cities in those areas. So it's much like, you know, Bristol gets a lot of homeless population from the southwest of England. They all come up to Bristol because it's the first major city.

Is it kind of the same thing that just when you have a catchment area of 5 million people? Well, here's the thing. Obviously, I live in London. I go out in London a lot. I have never seen homelessness like this in London. Well, here's the thing. Obviously, I live in London. I go out in London a lot. I have never seen homelessness like this in London. Like, ever. And you would think that you would just be hoovering up all the homeless people.

If you've not seen it, we must sound awful, but they are fucking crazy as fuck. A lot of very, very mentally ill people. It's super intimidating. Like, it is. Yeah. It's really, you don't feel safe. They are everywhere. The homeless people in America are not the same super super intimidating like it is yeah it's really you don't feel safe like they're everywhere

and the homeless people in america are not the same they're basically the people that we have in mental institutions here yes they're just on the streets instead yeah there's nothing there's literally they have just been abandoned the system is just like nope we have nothing that possibly we could do to help you. It's impossible. Despite the fact that most other countries that have this kind of money, this would never happen. It's terrible. And the drug problem in America is awful. It's pretty radicalizing seeing it, to be honest.

It makes you be like, how has society failed to not fix this? Yeah. And to also have created this era where apparently people just don't give a shit. Yeah. And if you wanted to say, we've got to do something about the homeless problem, you're seen as some hopeless liberal. Like, you're not seen as just a human being. It's like, ah, this wishy-washy, bleeding-heart shit.

It's like, you haven't seen these people. These are people. I think homeless people do get dehumanized a lot. Now, having said that, I did. I was walking to work very early on wednesday to do some first aid training and uh i walked past someone smoking crack in queen square which with a blowtorch out middle of queen square loud and proud and i was like that is i have never seen anything like that yeah in queen square is the nicest address as well it's lovely in central

bristol and he was having a great lovely in central Bristol and he was having a great time smoking crack in it he was having a great time I'm sure it's like imagine someone sat on the lawn of Buckingham

Palace it's Bristol's equivalent that's Bristol's equivalent Queen Square is not Buckingham Palace just for any

travellers out there who are wondering don't go to Queen Square it's like Soho Square it's like the equivalent of Soho Square I think it's nicer than that in all honesty it is who are wondering don't go to Queen Square it's like Soho Square it's like the equivalent of Soho Square I think it's nicer than that

in all honesty it is very nice we don't have a silly little hut in the middle though I like Soho Square's silly little hut yeah they don't have one but it's like

I think this is one of those things a lot of the policies that people are bringing in to try to help are actually making things worse and one of them is

we'll decriminalise drugs that'll solve the problem just means that you do have people sitting around smoking crack and the police are just like nothing we could do about it. It's not a good thing. Like what that leads to is that those areas just get poorer and shitter and shitter and less and less money flows there because nobody wants to open a business there. Nobody wants to live there. You end up with these areas that are just fucking DMZs. Like it's just nobody goes there apart from homeless people and drug addicts how is that going to help their situation coming back

did it make you appreciate the things that england oh my god yes a little bit yes i mean we have a lot of problems and you know when you see the problems in the states you think this is not the way it's meant to be um here's another example of something that blew my mind the the final late game show was in this theater so we did like a live stage show me and jenkins who was amazing and it was like a 250 300 person state uh sort of theater really nice thing called the children's theater and when we went there to rehearse there was a play on for the kids as kids everywhere i was like this is a very nice and wholesome place there was a sign on the entrance that says Weapons Free Zone. In other words, please don't bring your guns to the children's

theatre. Now, you need a sign to tell people not to bring guns to the children's theatre. That's a problem. That is a fucking problem. What are you doing? That's a huge red flag. Yeah. Something might be awry when people are like,

children's theatre, let me get my magnum just chill you don't need a fucking gun in the georgia's deal what's happening well no again you're wrong you need to protect the children yeah protect those children it's only me that can protect the children oh no i'm meant to be stop a bad guy with a gun exactly how if a crazy guy with a gun gets in there who's gonna stop him if there's no guns allowed? Yeah, you're right. Exactly. Do you know what I mean? That's why all those rampaging gunmen, they never get away with it, do they? Because there's always people with guns around.

There's always someone with a gun. Yeah, that guy in Maine that killed 18 people the other day. Luckily, all the citizens that had all those guns shot that man to death and he didn't kill 18 people. Fuck off. Gibberish. those guns shot that man to death and he didn't kill 18 people fuck off gibberish so so you had a nice time in seattle did you i've been watching a fraser that was not what i said at all um there's a new series of fraser which is not like the original classic i used to so when i used to school fraser was on channel 4 at like 7 30 till 8 in the morning or whatever classic i used to so when i used to school frasier was on channel four at like 7 30 till 8 in the morning or whatever and i had to get my bus at like 805 and i would always

be watching frasier like 7 30 till 8 and it always hooked you in right because it was such a interesting show it's such a good show and i would always have to run for my bus i remember because i was watching the end of this episode of Frasier or my dad would cut me off. He'd be like, you better go now. You're turning it off. You never heard of Eluviduma scrambled eggs. You never heard that.

I never saw the last five minutes of the episode. So I never quite got the punchline or whatever. Or the resolution. I just saw you in all these awkward situations. And so, yeah, they've done a new series it's obviously completely different but i'm watching back the old ones is it any yeah seattle is you only really it's like friends right you only see the apartment the cafe yeah the work there were a couple of their workplaces and that's it you know they got their three sets where the entire thing takes place sometimes they'll go to a restaurant and

they'll have a meal with someone and something embarrassing will happen or whatever but i mean we only see the highfalutin end of seattle um yeah there is a lot to like about seattle but it genuinely felt unsafe compared to when i used to go there and well it certainly does in those central areas like like sandloin and san francisco you know that that is like you know if you had to put a pin on the word Seattle on the map and you actually go to where that pin is, you know, there's going to be 15 homeless people piled up there. And a giant pin, apparently, so yeah.

Is it also because, as Brits, we're more inclined to walk around the cities when we visit and a lot of Americans just won't even hop out their car? That's a very good point, Harry. I think I love walking around cities when I go to visit, but the American cities just are not designed to walk around them. No, it don't feel good. New York, you can still walk around New York.

You can still walk around New York, yeah. But San Francisco, I think I talked about this when we came back from it, we decided to take a little walk. It was about two, two and a half miles. Forgot that San Francisco was almost entirely uphill. Even if you're going downhill, you're essentially going uphill. That's how uphill San Francisco is. We were exhausted, but we only saw the nice parts of san francisco like somehow we managed to avoid

the the fucking appalling you know because that's what often happens yeah like we we did that in vancouver i remember we were just we were so let's go for a walk and then suddenly like there's literally needles in the road that's like there's this queue of crazy people and and you know and you're like oh no and you're like holding onto your phone and then again you walk out into a beautiful high rise right on the next block and you're like well what happened and that's it's because of the grid system and i guess maybe other cities do a better job of hiding their homeless population i think that's what you're right that is one of those jarring bits about american cities and their their kind of homeless populations is they're just next to each other they don't you know i feel like in uk cities you get a bit of a blend or

something that you know okay we were going to a bit of a rougher area now and it's like no in america it literally is one block is the most decadent street in the world and the next is skid row yeah it's wild yeah so you had a good time, did you? So, yeah, I mean, I do still like Seattle. It does have some, I mean, so, you know Shane? Harry knows Shane. Irish Shane. Lovely, bald Shane.

Exactly. My son Shane. Bald brother. Probably one of the most powerful people in Dota esports. That's good. Shut up. He's a nice guy. I'm serious.

I'm serious. He is like Mr. Dota at ESL. As far as I can tell, runs Dota for ESL. Sets it all up. He's like the head honcho at Dota. Now, eight years ago, Shane was eating lamb chops and drinking tea in his garage. His parents' garage, sorry. And was basically a very small streamer and good friend of mine. Occasionally worked esports events and then got a job at esl and has gone that high incredibly competent guy no he's so nice yeah but he's also really really good um very passionate as well very passionate but yeah top top top lad so he's got a

great he's got a great voice right he's very friendly he's got he says because he's irish isn't he as well? He's very Irish. Yeah. That, that everyone loves the Irish accent, especially the Americans. They can't get enough of it. It's true.

Do you know what I mean? He's just very good. Yeah. He's just very good. It's like their weakness. So I went out for a coffee with him and he was telling me that he'd got an Uber a couple of days prior, prior. Um,

and it was like an evening, he was coming back from somewhere. It was like an evening Uber. And he gets chatting to the driver and the driver, um, is a Boeing engineer. Okay. Sure. What?

And this guy works at Boeing. Boeing is a huge employer in Seattle. So this guy works at Boeing making airplanes. And also in the evening drives an Uber to help make ends meet. And Shane was like, are you serious? He was like, yeah, quite a few of us do it. It's pretty hard times. You know, sometimes just help make ends meet and and everything so this guy supplements his income boeing you should be ashamed uh but me and shame also thinking america if you're listening right

this guy's gonna be tired do you want to fly in a plane designed by an engineer who also has to double as an uber driver what if he's tired one day and he's like we don't need wings on these ones anymore and they're like you're the head engineer whatever you say go so suddenly you're flying in a giant tube that's that's the future interestingly when i was in twitchcom paris uh a friend i met this um person was chatting to them and and they work for airbus or whatever they're fucking i think it's the french equivalent of boeing right the big huge european plane manufacturer and his he in his spare time he has like a three a collection of 3d printers that print stuff in metal and stuff like this oh my god he's got this

like whole he he was it was so he was such an interesting man. Oh my God. And obviously really, really smart. And I was just like, oh, this guy is so, so cool. So wait, you can 3D print with metal? Yeah. Apparently you can make these crazy things. And he was like saying how it was his hobby, but then he was going to start making them use it in the factories as well. Like take it through into their business.

Wow. Because I guess you can make these incredible 3D printers. the in the factories as well like take it through into their business like because um i was like because i guess you can make these um incredible 3d printers you can you've seen some of the crazy stuff they print right because you can basically build all the internal structure out of like these overly like these really complicated shapes that are really hard to forge i guess out of metal um so yeah you can build like these incredible pieces apparently it's the future 3d printing all i've seen really is miniatures i haven't seen anything interesting really cool oh no but you you know they make these like weird 3d puzzles and stuff right yeah i don't know anything about it i've really not you can print these because because you can obviously it's all

printed layer by layer you can make slices incredibly elaborate internal structures you know like when you see someone do a really complicated like joint in uh joinery you know some japanese table where they've got like they carve wood it's this weird fucking jigsaw puzzle oh yeah yeah and stick it in the corner imagine that but with metal you know and things like this it kind of gives you such um such an ability to to do new or create what would you what would you 3d print if you could oh my god uh it'll definitely work whatever it is whatever it is we do we have a scale limit no well here's the thing right whatever you want i feel like if you asked me that as a what would what is is gonna be done no i'm asking you what you want um i think um right because i'm just saying this i'm sure it's wonderful technology but we've been told

everything's going to be 3d printed and it's not so all i'm saying is you can have something 3d printed right now what is it or is it that it's such a new technology the the true applications for it have not yet been discovered i could believe that but all i'm saying is you can have something 3d printed what what do you want yeah it i mean it brings up the whole it's too it's like saying you want something crafted like it just it's there's it can do anything like it's just too open too open right format right but what what is it that you would need 3d printed that you would not be able to get otherwise that's all i'm saying is it i'm sure i guess that's is that not is that not the fact that it's easy it's just easier to make it it's not that it can really do it can do slightly more complicated stuff but actually just it's the ease of manufacturing

like we can manufacture this thing now in a week instead of a year right so really it doesn't affect me it's this is exciting for people who make things it's it is it's as exciting people who buy things it's as exciting as a new superconductor chip coming out, right? Tangibly for us, it doesn't make a huge difference. What it does is it just accelerates society further forward faster. It can make shit much easier and better. That's great. Will the prices then be lower?

No, no, no. It's all going to be Seattle prices. It's all going to be Seattle prices very soon, period. Start saving. Essentially, this is going to be a great thing for a handful of people. And for the rest of us, you can make a miniature. I wonder about this because like the, you know how on photocopiers and printers, the manufacturers of them have to build software that means you can't print currency, right?

And so it's like it recognizes if you put like a £10 note in Photoshop or in a photocopier. There's something in the note that the photocopier picks up. I think it's both. No, no, it doesn't recognize the money. I think there's a symbol on the money. It does. That sends a signal to the printer, if I remember rightly. It does, no.

Adobe and all these people have related. They're legally required to put in money recognition wait wait wait wait wait i've never tried this what happens if you like paste it in bit by bit and then you slowly don't like can you check it like instead of just a whole image can i just do like you know 10 pixels we don't get the fbi rounds why do you not tell me this Photocopying money. There, I've Googled it. Yeah, there's this whole thing that you can't do, right? The secret codes of British banknotes. Yeah, you can't do it.

There you go. But it's impossible. Anyway, are 3D printer manufacturers going to have to build in anti-gun recognition? Do you know what I mean? So if you try and print a gun, they'll be like, uh-uh. Do you know what I mean? So if you try and print a gun, they'll be like, uh-uh-uh.

Do you know what I mean? I mean, you already can print guns, right? That is just a thing that is out there. Yeah, you can. It's illegal, but you can. Or components.

But apparently, one of the parts of it, again, has to be made of metal, and so therefore, like the firing pin or whatever. Do you have any notes on you? I'm looking at a £20 note now.

If you look on the left-hand side of the... If any of you listening at home, if you have any notes on you? I'm looking at a £20 note now. If you look on the left-hand side, if any of you listening at home, if you have a note, most people don't have cash. I happen to have some. On the left-hand side, it says £20, top left corner. Then it says London. For the governor and company of the Bank of England, it says Sarah John, chief cashier. Then there's a picture of her match.

And then there's a weird bunch of dots in a specific constellation. That is what they recognise. Really? And apparently a lot of notes will have that oh right that's what i'm saying yeah is that essentially that i i don't think the photocopier is clever enough to look at it because it's a very very stupid machine the photo is that suddenly an amazing way of hiding images from ai do we you know find out what these patterns are that AI has learned not to look at? You could. If you put this, I think if you put this constellation of dots on an image and put that in and asked it to photocopy,

I wonder if you could trick it into thinking it was money. Oh, here we go. It says so in an article. At first, he drew the pattern in isolation on a blank piece of paper, printed it, and tried to photocopy it. When it was a black and white pattern, the photocopier reproduced it. But when you tried coloring in the circles it churns out the anti-counterfeiting message so this guy did this yeah so it just recognizes it and auto prints

a piece of paper that says oh that's against your law and i'm not allowed to do it i'll get into just as much trouble as you if i was to photocopy that i love the idea i love the idea that you know that's the bit it's we're going to stop people at that. I love the idea. I love the idea that, you know, that's the bit. We've got to stop people at that stage, not when they go into Tesco's with a paper 20-pound nut. Like, who's actually going to fall for it? It's such like a, it feels like such an 80s worry. People are going to photocopy money.

And no one's going to fall for that. It doesn't work. I guess if you put the paper in. I think it was a big scare, though, because the technology was advancing so quickly and people thought, oh, wow, there's colour to fall for that. It doesn't work. I guess if you put the paper in. I think it was a big scare, though, because the technology was advancing so quickly and people thought, oh, wow, there's colour photocopying. Could they just be photocopying money? And I'm sure there was a spate of it at some point.

Does that give you hope that they're going to protect us from AI? That that's the one thing they did? They put in some dots on the money so that we could photocopy it. It is kind of weird that our printers aren't good enough to do money, like, real

good. I think it's not a surprise at all, because the government would just say, no, you can't do that. It wouldn't be... I don't think it's lack of technology, Lewis. I think it's just that I'm sure it's possible. I heard there was a bunch of North Koreans

doing really good counterfeits as well, of money. Really? So apparently countries can do this, yeah. No doubt. I mean, that's the thing. The technology is there to reproduce it. Because if the Bank of England can make it, some other clever people can make it, I'm sure.

They call them super dollars. It's a very high counterfeit US $100 bill. Wow. And apparently since 2011, they've been in worldwide circulation from the late 1980s. Wow. Yeah, there was huge amounts of them done, apparently.

And North Korea is the possible source that people have talked about as where they've come from. But it's so nice having North Korea, isn't it? We can just kind of throw blame and no what no one's ever gonna yeah what are you gonna do it was the fucking north koreans again i knew it bloody knew it it wouldn't surprise me really really interesting well i guess they they you know the hundred dollar bills a lot of them get into a briefcase you know at least it used to be a lot more used to go a lot further nowadays you know if you're on the per diem yeah that's not taking

you very far no one's thought about criminals when it comes to all this inflation previously like you said suitcase of money briefcase of money and they're like where's the rest of them that's like what's that nowadays you land at the uh the doter tournament they give you a briefcase full of hundred dollar bills last you till wednesday that's your food for today come back tomorrow so yeah um i'm sure we'll hear about uh the well thing is period always tells me and harry and other people all these things at the pub and he says oh i can't tell you this this is a long list of secret period stories. Yeah.

Here's a non-secret. I went around, I got a tour of the Valve offices. Everybody got a tour of the Valve offices. Cool. Because they've moved. They've got new offices. Well, it was about four or five years or so. But obviously we haven't been in Seattle for TI since 2017. So they moved a few years after the international left Seattle. They moved offices. And the day after I landed, I went in to do some voiceover stuff for them for the tournament.

It was like player profiles and stuff. It was my stupid voice doing the profiles. And while I was there, I was there for a few hours. I had lunch there and had a little tour and everything. Amazing offices. Absolutely amazing. They have something I've never seen it before i've in a building like this they're like on the upper floors and towards one side they've got this big open area with a staircase and the staircase goes down four stories of these offices and it's just open above it and you can

get off at each of the floors so the stick's like this huge staircase, this massive open plan area. You do not feel like you're in the top few floors of a building. You feel like you're in like a spaceship or something. And the views that they have from the windows where the canteen is are just unbelievable. You can see the whole of Puget Sound, Mount Rainier, the volcano over there. I was just like blown away. It is so and everything in the office was just gorgeous their monitors oh my god you've never seen monitors like this it was amazing i was like i want those i want those monitors they're so big and so did you steal anything did you did you i did not i did steal i stole two things okay good. Okay, and no word of a lie,

I stole two things from the Valve offices. I stole a pack of gum. Nice. And a chapstick. Wait, is it a branded chapstick? A Valve branded? It is a chapstick branded chapstick. It's real, it's real.

And so in the bathroom, some fool had left a basket out with all kinds of things in, like gum and chapstick. I stole a chapstick and stole a chapstick never saw that coming yeah it sounds like they were the same offices that i i went to when i was there um with sips and it was nuts like yeah but this is what you expect from a i mean the the valve have one of like the highest ratios of amount of money made per employee. Oh, yeah.

Because that's one of these metrics that they use to measure these companies. Like the average Apple, they have like half a million dollars per employee or whatever Apple, but it's actually like 10 times that. Yes. It's actually insane. I mean, there's more people working in that office than in the previous one. Like they've definitely got more people. Good.

They need some people. Yeah, they do. I was surprised, honestly, how many people they had. Did it feel like a lot of it was working on Counter-Strike? I cannot divulge anything about what I saw inside the offices other than they're very pretty and I stole some

chapstick and some gum, but I'm not going to say anything else. Apple is actually $2.5 million per employee. That's amazing. That's mind-blowing that's considered they have all the stores as well how do the yogs match up compared to that how many millions per harry harry and dad um 20 quid no comment i think you're looking at it period 20 quid 20 quid well it's enough to afford a chicken chow mein i think yeah one chicken chow mein in seattle yeah and they have to split it though because we ain't got we can't afford chapsticks in the toilet well maybe that's that's a nice it's look it's not much effort for them to do that is it as

well and they felt very nice and their fridges are like you go to the lunch area and there's just it's like going to the sandwich and sushi part of a supermarket. But it's on like eight floors. It's like that on every floor. And so it's free. Yeah. And you just go there and there's just all the soft drinks and snacks you could want. There's like healthy salads. There's like sandwiches. There's sushi. You just, yeah, help yourself. I was like, fuck. I mean, how do you ever leave the office when you have Megacorps like this?

And that office you just described, it just suddenly isn't surprising that Uber Eats, you know, Chinese takeaway is $80. It now makes sense. Oh my God, imagine how much they have to pay for it, you know, given that it's like £800 per urn of coffee. Yeah, yeah. That must cost them an absolute bomb.

Plus they got the gym, they got laundry on site as well. They got like creche there. Yeah, they got gyms, they got everything. they got laundry on site as well they've got like it's crash there they've got yeah they've got gyms they got everything it's it's yeah it's um and yet and yet people i know many people who've who've gone there done it for a year and been like nope i'm leaving i think it's extremely high pressure um is the problem because everybody every single person you meet there is stupidly competent. And they have very high expectations that if you work in there, you're going to fucking deliver some serious, clever shit. And the ones that do are just like, holy shit,

these guys are the smartest people I've ever met. It's insane. Everyone that I've ever met that works there is wildly clever and competent. And I just feel like such a fucking idiot. I honestly feel, compared to Valve employees and the offices and how smart they are like one of the homeless people in seattle wow he just sits down on the side of the street i guess this is where i belong this is it yeah you're just a giant doofus yeah i can afford

two more chow mains before i'm bankrupt yeah it's a different world um but yeah i'm i'm yeah god we could talk about it all day because i remember it was such a yeah it's interesting such an interesting such an interesting place that's that's such a peek behind the curtain that is a real it is yeah yeah we're really privileged to have very lucky had had that yeah i mean to be to go to the offices to do some work for valve gives me gave me a real thrill because it was like wow that is like how many people can say they've done that and it's just it's it's like i know people there because i've been going there for years and we've worked

with them for years so i see people that i know from there and it's just so strange to think how powerful this company is and how rich it is and then they're fucking employing me it just seems ridiculous that they couldn't do better like imposter syndrome don't tell them don't tell them it's just like if you want to feel imposter syndrome go go to visit valve because you will fucking feel like a mouse exactly yeah yeah yeah i think that's what it is i mean it's weird weird that we all have our own like because sips has a friend at valve and i have a friend at valve and then we've got our jingle jam contact at valve who were quite friendly with then you've got your friends at valve separately

so it's weird that we do have like because you think of them as so private and secret and difficult to to kind of be in touch with but actually we've all got i mean we all work in gaming in one way or another um and i guess you're around in earlier days right and nowadays it's probably even harder to go and try and meet or find somebody maybe i don't i don't know what their connections are like with other content creators and people like us i really don't i mean we might think we're like got a good relationship but actually you know some guy that makes csgo videos is like their favorite person ever and they have maybe a throne room for him there it's impossible to know but at the same time they are royalty in our eyes though yeah right and compare in the same way that blizzard used to be for me

when i when i played wow you know getting invited to go around blizzard was the dream you know um so i think it's well consider this you guys guys make quite a lot of content involving the Source engine, right? Like the TTT stuff and all the rest of that. And you guys have done gaming content for years. So they're gamers. They love games and content about their games especially. So it's not really a surprise that Valve are going to reach out and you're going to make content there.

I've made Dota content and worked in Dota for 11 years so that's not really a surprise all the other guys i know that work in dota also have friends involved so we just work on products that they have made it's not really that surprising um that that we would have some contact with them i think that's fair to say yeah and i think you're right about it being a something which is not for everyone like i think that the the their systems and the the things they the way they work is very unusual and different and unique um yeah for sure holy crap barry thank you for joining us on this not a problem at all thank you for having me it's been our first stand-in you're an honored man and you should be because we love you harry so thank you very much yeah you fit in perfectly it's been a pleasure

my god you can come back and and of course shout out to your your brilliant podcast of course you do actually both of you have guested you've both yeah it's so fun we also yeah people's people's problems much like mailbag it's good good and. We don't sort anybody's problems in the Mailbag. We create more problems. Yeah, we usually postulate, like, we question the reality and nature of... It's quite a raw experience. A little bit like Adam Curtis. Just opening people's questions, isn't it?

I don't know. It's fun, though. We just explore the weirdnesses of people out there harry when i come down next month yes sir can i can i meet pepper you can meet my beautiful daughter yes yes i'll bring her to the office i can't wait all right i'm staying right near the offices so as soon as she's in just let me yes i'll come zooming over so there's this one there's this one Airbnb that they love

they love just and Perri had booked it for the entire Jigwood Jam so no one else could not true

I booked it for one week oh did you oh okay the second week in fact this was do you remember that day when we I was down last

you were hanging out with Martin yeah Martin was like I'm booking that Airbnb and you got on your phone and distracted him somehow. I was describing it to Martin and Sparkles.

And they were like, really? Wow. And I was describing how close it is and how nice it is. I showed them pictures. And then while they were talking about it. He stayed there a few times, Martin has. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because he was thinking about booking it. Right. Well, Sparkles hadn't heard of it. So while we're talking about it i booked it on air that's so funny yeah so he he changed what week he's coming down so

he could stay in it as well wow so we don't get martin appearing to get because you're both gonna stay in the same same place i'm getting after him so

i was like leave it in a good condition please he was tempted to leave little traps lying around for me that's really funny yeah that's really

funny all right well we'll see you next week everyone hopefully sips will be uh less lying around for me. That's really funny. That's really funny. All right, well, we'll see you next week, everyone. Hopefully Sips will be less flooded then and everything will be back to normal. But I might be going away on holiday and so Barry might come back and cover for me. Barry hasn't offered yet. Maybe we need another

member of... Let's mix it up. Let's do a mix up. Is Lydia more like me or is raps more like me oh lydia lydia i think lydia's uh oh raps no get raps would be raps would be better yeah we want to get a lady we've never had a lady well let's certainly get lids wonderful lids she can do a good lewis you've done the dicks just because all these holidays we were so paranoid about missing an episode i was like we i can't break our streak. We've got such a good streak going. So that's the episode. Lovely stuff.

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