Triforce! - Triforce #308: New Year, New Triforce

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

Triforce! Episode 308! Sips had a chaotic, crazy, carnage Christmas, Flax is a generational cycle-breaker and Lewis had a delightful new year in Tenerife! Also, it's time to talk about Honey. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Shit. Where are you? I am in, weirdly my area. The recording rooms are fine. I'm in the building. But the rest of the office is not fine Sounds like a fuse has gone. Yeah, maybe there's a little somewhere. Everyone stood around You'd be like somewhere uses and if part of the building has gone and the other part of it hasn't that's because the same shit Happens in my fucking kitchen. We got an air fryer at Christmas, baby, I got my air fryer.

Oh, so, we start in the podcast? Sorry, we started. Yeah, we started. No, no, no, we started. No, we didn't even do an intro. That was no intro. Alright, fine, we'll retroactively do an intro. Alright, here, welcome to Triforce Podcast. You got an air fryer for Christmas? Yeah, I got an air fryer for Christmas. Oh my god.

I know. It's... Oh my god! I know. It's... that's my reaction now. At the time I was like, oh, I got an air fryer. I was like, yeah, we should get one. Everybody's hoping all about him. I am a transformed man. I am fully on board.

I just wish we used ours more. It's like we just we don't get the opportunity to fry as much as I'd like to. But when we do use it, it's glorious. I will say they should not have called it an air fryer. I don't know why they called it that. There's no frying involved. There's no oil. You know, I had. had, there's like a little tiny bit of oil. You put like a little tiny bit, don't you? Where in the little receptacle, we don't have an oil

receptor. You gotta take that shit back and get it. I get a different one. No, I mean, we cooked a fucking, we roast the chicken in 45 minutes in this bag. God damn. Was it dry like that bat that they ate on three amigos with the crunch? No, it was as moist as anything. Remember when Dusty cooked up that bat with Ned and Chevy Cheese or whatever? Three amigos. Yeah. Oh, I remember that scene when they're going to assault the compound and they're out on the rig. They're not real cowboys. Remember? They're like Hollywood cowboys, but then they actually have to go out and do some camping and they're assaulting that town. They want to save the town. I cannot imagine a way to

cook a chicken in that thing. It's like blows warm air over it. So how is that? This was my theory, and I spent a lot of time thinking about this after I was eating the chicken. The air fryer is a big heating element that blows air down. That is not that different from a fan oven. It's just like cooking a chicken with a hairdryer. Right. But imagine if your oven was super charged.

You just turn it up to 11. Just blam. Or a flamethrower. But so it's basically like that. It's just a really super fast oven. I see. So what you're saying is that we could get like a... you could see chefs using the super hot hair dryer technique. Yeah, they probably do. I did, this chicken was, the way I saw it, because it cooked in only 45 minutes, a lot of the moisture that would have evaporated in a longer oven cook like an hour and 45 for a chicken normally is still in there. And you do it breast side down for like 30 minutes.

You turn it up 10 minutes and then another five or 10 if it needs it on top to really crisp it up. It was amazing. It was really good. I've done. I've done homemade chips. I've been cutting them by hand. So good. So good. Rub them with some oil, bit of salt, paprika, pepper, bosh it in, bam, kid's love em. Great fries. So yeah, I'm loving it.

I've done all kinds of stuff. Wow. It's changed your life. It's great. It's fucking great. Congrats on discovering it. See, sometimes you just gotta go along with the trend. I remember at the time you were like, fucking air fryers, and now you're a converted man.

I'm a converted man, yeah. Yes. Douglas Adams, I was reading one of his books, and one of his quotes was that, you know, anything that was around when you were born is part of the world, and not newfangled at all, not interesting. I'm butchering his quote. Anything that was created, you know, when you were 15 is like the hottest, newest, coolest thing ever. And it's like fucking

changing the world. And everything that is invented when you're older than 35 is terrible. It's going to ruin the world. It's dangerous. For us, especially if you have kids, that's social media, isn't it? It's ruined everything. It's dangerous. Jeremy. That's like, for us, especially if you have kids at social media, isn't it? It's like the worst thing. Yeah, mobile phones. But if you're 10 and if you were 10 years old when social media hit the scene, you were like, holy fuck, this is fucking awesome. You just think it's the best thing.

Oh, so I remember why I mentioned the air fryer, because we were talking about fuses. So the thing is, our kitchen, we had it rewired a few years ago, and the electrician who did it, it was quite a cautious guy, because he was like, you've got kids, so I'll make this extra safe. I was like, well, I hope every electrician does that. All he did was... There's condoms on all the plugs. I've double wrapped all of these in rubber. You're not going to get any pregnancy.

No electoral babies here. I'll tell you. No, he just means that the fuses is kind of sensitive. So if we run the tumble dryer, the washing machine and the dishwasher at the same time, it'll blow. The fuse goes. So I found out the other day, if I'm running the washing machine in the tumble dryer and I turn on the George Foreman, that's too much.

Equally. Right. If I have the tumble dryer. Some of them have a lot of draw. Yeah. And the dishwasher, the air fryer. Kettle will have a lot of draw. Yeah.

The air fryer will also. We have the same thing in our kitchen. If our toaster pops while the kettle is on and the dishwasher is running, that's it. It'll trip it. It's funny, isn't it? Yeah. I've had the same thing on and the dishwasher is running. That's it. It'll trip it. It's funny, isn't it? I've had the same thing on my kitchen counter. So I'm just saying it could be that Lulu. It could be a fuse. Just find a fuse.

Yeah, everyone was making their George Forbids this morning. Just check one of the recording rooms. Maybe one of the Bitcoin farms tripped it or something. You never know. Right, right, right. Yeah. The ones you guys got set up in here. No, this is good stuff. So did you have a good Christmas otherwise? Good New Year? This is the first recording we've done. I'll tell you what, Christmas was like, we've got it down to like a science. We put all of our decorations up like the second week of December, no problem. Everybody had a fun time putting them up.

We got all of our presents and stuff wrapped about the week before Christmas. They were all like, uh, just hiding in various places, ready to go under the tree for the, for the big event. Everybody had a nice Christmas. We had nice, nice couple of big lunches, sat around. Did Santa visit? Santa visited. We watched all that. We watched the new Wallace and Gromit, and a whole bunch

of movies and stuff. You did send me a picture from Christmas Day, from your house, and it was like, nothing I've ever seen before. It's like that every year. And the worst thing is, we're used to it, it's not even surprising now. Okay, it's... imagine, like, a toy factory. Imagine a claymore has gone off in your living room, and... And toys came out of it, like in Garry's ward or something.

And it's just, like, it's like Path of Exile 2 loot drop, all over the screen. I got two young daughters, so it's just Barbie clothes everywhere. The entire floor, P-Flax, was like kneehigh in toys and presents, not even joking, okay? And Zipsy Sully's sat there surrounded by it all, like, on his Switch. It was like, I'm not interested in any of these things. He was on his iPad watching YouTube. It's like a, like sitting in a sea of presents. It's absolute chaos. I talked to some other people about it actually, cause I was talking about that.

And another of my friends said, we have very different Christmas day. And they were talking, I'm not gonna name it, but they were saying how they only open like one present and then they, they use it or they play with it as a family. Then they do another one, they have like a very slow, organized process. Whereas yours just feels like the absolute chaos in Karnat. Oh fuck, they're like Wolverines, man. Like, he's just like, I'm just, we're sitting there and it's just like boom, boom, boom,

boom, they're just opening stuff and they're like, look what I got! And you're like, oh, oh, great, we're like still half asleep when it's all happening. Oh man. Yeah, it's mad. It's like six in the morning. They're so excited half asleep when it's all happening. Oh man. Yeah, it's mad. It's like six in the morning. They're so excited though. You gotta just let them, you gotta let them do their thing. I guess the difference is between like, you know, having like micro-dosing Christmas over the course of a day and like having a fucking full, like everything straight away, like at

the same time, like heroin, cocaine, all of it. We get it all slammed out in the morning and then we have like a big breakfast, chill for a bit. And then we go up to my mother-in-law's for the rest of the day. So like everyone wants to get the hot new stuff that they want to take up there because it's, you know, well, I don't know if you remember like when you were a kid, like if on Christmas Day, if your grandparents came over or you went there or whatever. But it was always like if you had to go out, you were like, shit, I got to get all my good toys together. I, you know, my grandma's house was pretty boring.

Like she just didn't have cable. Yeah, I remember Nintendo. Yeah. So you'd really, you'd really have to to pack up your Nintendo or bring your Game Boy in every game you owned or whatever you got for Christmas. So my kids are the same. They just packed up all their Barbie clothes and my... I guess they get to prioritize what they care about the most or what they want to bring the most as well.

Yeah. That's nice. My son's at the age now where five minutes before we're going to go somewhere where he knows he's going to be bored for some length of time. He's like trying to get like PlayStation remote play working and stuff. He's like, OK, you got hours to do this before you're going anywhere. Like, why? Why five minutes before he's getting all frustrated and stuff. But I what gets me is people who have Christmas traditions, which seem to be about withholding fun, especially from kids like my kids wake us up, they get their stockings, they come to our

room even even now that they're teenagers, they come to our room, they open their stockings and we you know, it's all just little things that Mrs. F has got them sometimes it's stuff they need and sometimes like makeup or something like that. And then we'll get upstairs, we'll have a cup of coffee, maybe we'll have some breakfast. And then we'll get upstairs. We'll have a cup of coffee. Maybe we'll have some breakfast. And then we open the fucking presents. We're none of this wait till after lunch shit. None of this talking about the only system we have is that all the presents

are under the tree. Everyone sits on the sofa and my eldest has to take a present, say who it's for and hand it to someone. And we all get to see who opened what and what everyone got. And it's nice. Takes about 30 minutes. Job done. Oh, man. See, we're still at the stage where they're feral. Like they're going under the tree and just getting the one for them and then running back to the chair and you're like, come on, you got to get the ones for everyone.

Yeah. While you're under there. Get one for mummy, mummy hasn't had a present yet has she? Well, we don't even get any. Like we get like token stuff just to wrap just so that we can join in or whatever, but there's like, we don't, we don't really exchange gifts or anything. It's, it's all, it's just all for the kids. We don't really do anything like for ourselves. We're just, we're just empty shells.

I mean, you've got three, there's so many presents to open for the kids. Yeah. But like we get like, we just get like socks and like bits and pieces like that. But just, you know, just so that like when the kids are under there rummaging around getting stuff, there is occasionally something for like, you know, me or my wife, but it's, it's not, it's nothing like exciting, you know? Yeah. It's tricky, isn't it?

Some people, some people who you like, your best friends never send you anything, you know, and other people who are like, who you barely send you anything, you know, and other people who you barely know. I sent you a calendar though. No, you did. You did. I got it. I loved it. Was it an Ian Beale calendar?

No, I kept that one for myself. But sometimes, you know, it's kind of weird who does send you presents. Sometimes you get presents from people you think you barely know and you're like, do they think I'm like their close friend or something? It's kind of weird. I mean, I consider us close friends, but I didn't think we'd send presents. No, I thought we just had a quiet understanding that- Me and Sips do get each other presents though.

We always have, kind of though. Well, Lewis sends us presents and we send him a calendar. Yeah. He sent me two calendars last year. Shit, and a deal there for Lewis. Didn't need two. 2024 bumper year. Shit end of the deal here for Lewis. Didn't need two. 2024 bumper year. One of them was, it's always said to be like a comedy candys.

It's like the Jersey cows or whatever. So we've got a different cow every month in my kitchen, which is kind of nice. I don't exchange presents with any of my friends. No, I don't either. Even my best mate I've known for 40 years, we don't fucking exchange presents. But Mrs. F gets presents for all her mates. Like that's a thing. Yeah. It's just, I don't fucking exchange presents. No, but Mrs. F gets presents for all her mates. Like that's a thing. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. Maybe it's just a thing. I think I, my, my wife and her friends are the same. They all get each other a little

bit some thoughtful bits and pieces and stuff, but, uh, me and me and my friends do not. Tell us about this other friend you've had for 40. Is he, was he your best man? Was it what I know who is, if we, do we need to like, do we, you know, is he good lad? Do we want to give him a shout out? Is he like... It's worlds colliding, you can't combine these worlds together. Yeah, I've known him since primary school. I consider him my absolute best friend. Genuinely, probably had the most effect on me of any of my friends in terms of like, pretty much everything. Like, I just consider him my lightning rod.

He moulded you into the man you are today. Yeah, really, genuinely, which is rare and always funny and genuinely should have, like a lot of people that you know, you think you should have a podcast or a book or a fucking column or something. He's talking about me. I knew it. I knew it. Just one of those people. Is he just interesting and funny? Because sometimes you meet those people who are just like, they just are, they're getting on with life.

I guess he has kids and stuff as well. And a normal job. He doesn't know. Well, not weird. Sorry. I didn't mean to say that. I have a similar friend who I was best, best, best friends with, but because I live so far away and like we still, we still chat, but it's not like, we're not like close. Like we were obviously, uh,

he's got also three kids, but his three kids are all teenagers. And, uh, you know, just life, life just sort of takes over after a while. Right. Like we're not, we're not the same guys. You just used to like walk around and go to the mall and stuff like that. You know, like we don't have like that much time, but like I still like flax. I still consider him like, you know, probably my all time best friend, most like influential on my,

my young life and stuff like that. Like lots of memories and stuff. It's, it's good. It's good to like just catch up like as seldom as we do, but it is nice. It's like so, so comforting and familiar, you know, always to know that that person is just around and just no matter, no matter what kind of happens in your lives, even if you're not super close, like, uh, we, we both probably know we've got each other's

back and stuff like that. Yeah. You know, it's nice if you finally snap one Christmas, like if you form a part of this and you needed help or whatever, like it'd be no question, you know, like I would, he'd come around. Yeah, I would. Oh, I see something like that. You still listen to the podcast, my mate. I don't know know, like I would- He'd come around. Yeah, I would. Oh, I see. Something like that.

You used to listen to the podcast, my mate. I don't know if he still does. If he does, hello. How you doing, mate? But yeah, he used to. That's nice. Yeah. So-

Oh, I thought of something this week. Go on. That, here's something that I don't think anyone, I don't know if this still exists, maybe it does, but I think it's done differently. Do you guys remember Radio Rentals? No. Is that like an American video, is that a blockbuster? So Radio Rentals was a British chain where you could hire electronic equipment from them,

and you paid every... Oh, like you'd rent a radio? Yes. So originally it was a radio. And then it was like TVs, VCRs, I presume everything else. I'm thinking back to when we first moved to the UK and we were skint and for years my mum would rent a TV from Radio Rentals and a VCR and if it broke we'd have to get the Radio Rentals man out to repair it.

And I was just thinking... Back in the day when you could repair, they were repaired man for stuff like that. Your mom, your mom is British born, right? But it's your dad who's American born. He's so he's not American born. He's actually Canadian. Oh, okay.

Grew up in the UK. Right. And then when we moved to America, he stayed when which part of Canada, uh, Ottawa. Oh my God. What's his last name? Maybe I used to babysit him. You know where his last name is. He's my dad. Oh yeah, of course. Of course it is.

That's true. I was hoping that we'd have like a fucking, do you know who you are situation or whatever. Where do you think you are? Where like, Perian has found out after seven years of doing this podcast, that Sips is his long lost brother. What part of Ottawa did he grow up in? I have no idea. Do you know what school he went to? No, no, because I think he moved to the UK when he was a baby.

Oh, so my grandmother. How did you do that? Well, a young person's visa. Obviously. My outgoing child. Fucking stupid. My grandfather and my grandmother moved to the UK. Right. So they were they also they also also from Ottawa, though. No, my grandmother's from Bournemouth.

Fuck hell. Yeah. OK, what's her story? How did she end up in Ottawa then? During the war, she met my grandfather, I think maybe probably when he was... And your grandfather was Canadian? Canadian Air Force, yeah. From Ottawa? Yeah.

CFB Petawawa? I don't know what that means. Fucking hell. Sorry. But yeah, so I mean, as far as I know, my grandparents got divorced in a similar fashion to the way my dad and my mom got divorced, which is that he left my grandmother for another woman. And his two kids, my uncle and my father were left in Bournemouth with my grandmother. And then they went to repeat the cycle.

My dad did the same thing. The absolute doesn't fall far from the tree. Yeah. And then basically send his wife and kids back to Bournemouth. So. And now you're just about to tell us that you are going back to New York and you've left your wife and your two kids. No.

And you're keeping the cycle alive. The air fire was the last drop. Yeah. It's interesting though. Like, sorry, just coming, coming back to all this, but there is like, um, there like generational kind of like cycle breakers. You see this a lot, right? Where patterns of a family, things that a father will do that his sons will go on to do or things that a mother would have done.

All these cycles that repeat themselves. And then every once in a while of a generation, you'll just have somebody who's just like, no, like this, this sucks. And I'm not repeating the cycle. I'm going to do, I'm doing it differently. I'm going to do it better or whatever. It's interesting, isn't it? Like that, uh, that was exactly, that's been exactly my feeling is that this is obviously a thing that my family has done at least for the last two generations, maybe more, I don't know. Um, and I know that my mum says that her parents were not particularly nice to their

kids either. And I thought, I didn't really seem to like each other very much. And I thought, all right, well, let's not do that. Let's be the first generation that... Is someone drilling in the background? Yes, that's work. Okay. Okay. Work, sorry. Just wanted to acknowledge that. Is it your work or is it just general? It is not's work. Okay, okay. Work is being done. Just wanted to acknowledge that was happening. Is it your work or is it just general? It is not my work.

It is general. I have seen this idea before, of generational patterns, and I don't know whether it's just coincidence or a real thing, but it just seems strange that someone would be like, my dad left his wife so I'm gonna leave mine. It's not me, it's kinda odd. left his wife so I'm gonna leave mine. That does seem a bit... Could it be weird? Could it be odd though? As you get older, you have kids and stuff, you often think about your parents and you think like, am I like them? Or am I doing the things that they did?

Or am I breaking a cycle? Like am I doing better than they did? But it's really hard to judge. Well I worry though that, like, I worry that the opposite would happen. That, you know, you would say, I don't want to be like my dad, so I would stay in a shit relationship. I think there are two. There are several sides to how people view their parents, in my opinion. Certainly my experience, I'll put it that way. You either learn from your parents in a good way, or you learn from them in a bad way. And if you learn from them in a bad way, you're doomed to repeat their mistakes.

If you learn from them in a good way, you become mature enough and experienced enough that you look back at the things they did and think that was dogshit. I'm not gonna do that, I might make my own mistakes, but I'm not gonna make those same stupid fucking ridiculous mistakes. And I certainly think if you, some people just literally become their parents. But do you think it's like a lack of awareness or something? Like do you think these people say at some point like, holy shit, like I'm doing exactly what my dad did.

Maybe, but I think most people do. You think it's more of a subconscious thing and, and, and then even then it's suppressed, you know, introspection to have people really analyze themselves. So that I think people, yeah, I don't know. Is it though? Like it's interesting. Like, I don't know if that is, if that requires like a lot of introspection though, like it seems like an obvious thing. Like I don't know. Like, it's, it's,

it's weird, but I guess, I mean, I guess most people just don't really think about it because there are a lot of patterns that repeat and repeat and repeat. Like, from history, why should we learn from our own? I guess so. Yeah, I just, I'm just, maybe, maybe I'm more aware than I realized then or something. But like, I, like I think about this stuff quite often, you know, like I think about my relationships with,

with my kids and, and I compare them a lot to like, you know, how mine were with my parents and stuff. And, you know, like I feel like me and my wife, we've, we've broken a lot of like, like repeating cycles as well. But at the same time, it's a lot of like, uh, there's like a lot of like wear and tear that comes with that too, you know, you, you're responsible and, and at times you feel like not the adult, like you, you feel like you're the adults in the, in the situation where, whereas you've got people who are much older than you and should have much more wisdom and experience around you who just don't, you know, they, they've started acting like children. And it just like, at times we're,

we're left thinking like, well, fuck me, we've got three kids, but it feels like we have 10 kids because we're hurting around all these people who should know better. I think that's definitely something as a having, um, I mean, the thing is, I think in both instances with my parents, they didn't really have a huge amount of contact with their parents. My mum's parents died relatively young before I was born. And my dad, his father obviously was in Canada and him and his mum didn't get along. So I guess from their perspective, what their parents were like when they were older isn't

something that they really had anything to do with. I suppose. Yeah. So for us, we've had our parents now, my parents are nearly 80. Um, and Mrs. F's parents are nearly 80. So we, we've had those four people in our lives as a couple for the whole time. So we've sort of seen them get older and madder and weirder because that's what parents do. Um, it seems to be the case. Yeah. Let's not be like that. I don't know. Yeah. Something happens to people. Like maybe it's like when they retire or

something, I don't know, but like there is definitely some, a lot, I feel like a lot of like, uh, weirdness that has cropped up has come around sort of that time in, in, in, in, in people's lives. you know? I don't know what happens to people. It's like almost like maybe like a crisis or something, you know? Maybe it's too much of a change at that point in their life or I don't know. As I've gotten older, I've realized that like I was talking about the pillow situation the other day, that if I sleep in a different bed or on a different pillow or the window

is open too much, my back aches all day or whatever. Just general old person shit. If you're nearly 80, fuck me. I mean, you've got the spectre of death hanging over you every time you wake up in the morning. Every time I watch Jeremy Kyle, I have uncontrollable diarrhea. I don't know what it is. Exactly. So the reason they're grumpy is because it sucks being old, I'm sure. It does, yeah. And you know, everything seems to be getting faster and faster and you feel left behind. Yeah.

So, I mean, especially because, I mean, I'm nearly 50, I'm gonna be 50 next year. Oh my god. 2026, right? Yeah. And to me, that has gone extremely quickly. Feels like it. Yeah. Even though, if you told me what I was doing 20 years ago, I'd be like, holy shit, that's

crazy. Yeah. Like, it was a different me. And all the things that have happened since 2005, there's so much it's nuts. So a lot has happened, but it does always feel like you're just accelerating towards older and older age. So if you're that old, you must realize Christ, I'm going to be 80. I could just go a minute. So I think that the kind of that must be in the back of your mind.

I guess so. Yeah. I guess so. A lot of older people, like, well, if it happens, it happens. I've had a good life. You almost start to become resigned to it. So, either way. Yeah. Have you felt that way? Like, a kind of a little bit like, oh God, I could die any minute. Let's just fucking do this thing. Like, have you ever felt like, oh God, I just have to do this. I can't put it off any longer. That's why I'm on, that's why I'm on, um, searcherly now. Because of the constant fear of death and, uh,

So it's not like, you're not like, you don't, you don't get paralysed with indecision. You're like, cause imagine you're not picking a new car and you've been putting it off. Do you start to think, oh fuck, I'm too, I can't be arsed. I might die tomorrow. Let's just fucking do this. No, no, I've never had a problem making a decision. I'll generally have a stab at a decision. And then if other people are like, oh, you probably should think about that. Then I'll probably be like, I'll weigh that up. And I'm not one of those I'm in an hour in for 10 years kind of people. I am pretty, I'm an I'm in an hour guy.

I will not make a fucking decision. Like, you know what I mean? When you go shopping, Lewis, let's say, cause I go shopping, I needed a new jumper, right? I love jumpers. Went out, went into a shop. That's a nice jumper. Bought it. Bam. Five minutes. Yeah. Are you one of these, I want to try on these eight jumpers and decide. Cause when I go shopping, it's more like a targeted strike by a really cracked military outfit. I want to find the one. I'm like the special forces of shopping. Like we've got it laid out, we go in, we're out. The target never sees it coming. No witnesses. Well, so, okay, I was on holiday over New Year and there was, I didn't realise, but there was like a due in the hotel we were staying in and I hadn't brought a suit.

What kind of due? Like a wedding? It was like a New Year's Eve party event. Okay. Were you there for that or did this just... Yes. No, I was just in the hotel, but I had a free ticket to it because it was happening. It was a reform party meeting, the New Year's reform party. Nigel, for us, an evening with Nigel, you had your ticket advanced booked, you were ready to go. Well, so I went away to Tenerife over, over the year. Um, I stayed in Airbnb for a few days on the side of a mountain. It was like 18 degrees. It was like,

you sent me that picture and it looked, it looked really nice. It was nice. Oh man. I was really jealous. It was on the steepest. I wouldn't like the picture. You could have sent it to the, to the, to me as well. Oh, sorry. I will next time. Sorry, I will next time. Louis sent me a picture of a beautiful landscape, like next to mountains, serene, quiet. I sent him a picture of my swatted house over Christmas. All the flashbangs had gone off.

Cause you sent me a nice picture, you sent a nice picture to the group of you looking happy on holiday. Yeah, it was. Very slightly sweaty. You had glasses on in the picture. Yeah, what's up with the specs? What's up with the specs? Well, I was wearing the specs, I had laser eye surgery ten years ago almost.

Oh, has it really been that long? Yeah. Well, I don't think it's supposed to fade, I think it's supposed to exist, but my eyesight must be slowly fading. You need a top up. You need to go back in and you need to get it done again. It could be reading glasses, you might need those back in and you need to get it done again. I think it could be reading glasses. You might need those.

Pretty much everyone needs those. So, okay, I'll tell you briefly. Where's this pic? Brief. Oh fuck, I put my phone down. I can't go through my fucking holiday snaps. You've got too many snaps on there. You know when you're on holiday, there's loads of snaps.

So basically, Tenerife, north side of Tenerife isn't like super hot. It is hot, obviously, but it's not like as bad as the south. The south is like a parched fucking desert. Not as good as 11erife. It's like Las Vegas. No one lived there until everyone realised they wanted to go somewhere hot in winter. Wait, is this where that land went missing last year? Yes.

If you sent this picture to anyone, you could just say, I'm in Jersey right now. Looks just like Jersey. Fuck off. right now. Looks just like Jersey. Fuck off. It doesn't look anything like Jersey. Look at that! What are you talking about? There's a big mountain in the background, brother. What are you talking about?

Well, except for the mountain. But like the coastal cliffs and stuff? Very similar. Very cool. Anyway, very pretty place. It's very lush, actually, the north side. The south side is just a desert. Yeah, just like Jersey. Jersey's the best place in the world. You should definitely come to

Jersey. And actually it's one of these places where... Have you ever even been? Have you? I fucking live here. What are you talking about? I don't know if you've actually ever been around. I think I've explored broad Jersey with you when I came and cycled around the island. I think you did actually, yeah. I was fucking knackered. it was much bigger than I thought. You think there's mountains in Jersey, Xips?

There's big coastal cliffs. Huge ones. Huge. Maybe the biggest. Oh man. On the other side of this mountain, and the road there is like, I'm not even kidding, whatever, 60 degree fucking incline, ridiculous incline. And it was raining all day we got there, and so the there is like, I'm not even kidding, like whatever 60 degree fucking incline, ridiculous incline. And it was raining all day we got there and so the car was like slipping

anyway, we scratched up all the fucking rental car getting into this place, on the bottom of it, fortunately. But it was, there was a scary moment where I thought the car was going to get fucking stuck. Like Christ. Anyway, this hair raising place to stay and, but very beautiful. Walked around this local village. You probably could have done it, P-Flex. No, because I got no hair, you see. Hair raising. I'm allowed to make those jokes.

I see. I thought you implied that your driving was superior, which it certainly is. You criticised my driving the one time I've ever driven you anywhere. Where did you drive? Where did we go? Might've been to Tom's dad's farm. Tom's dad's farm. Yeah. We did some filming. Some sort of code for like a strip club or something. Sadly not. I get a lot of emails asking when we're actually going to take Lulu to the strip club. There's one like right by the office. What's it? The flying tiger.

The white tiger. The urban tiger. That's the one. I'm gonna need some fucking search for lean to go to that fucking strip club. I'll tell you what. So we were driving. It was in the old CRV. My old CRV.

I'd driven down to Bristol. I hadn't really been involved with the Yogs that long. And they did some kind of brand deal with World of Tanks. And they had to drive remote controlled tanks around. Do you remember that Lewis? Yes. And I think Tom's dad owns a tank, if I remember rightly and that was in the shop. So I was, I was just the driver and I thought, what have I signed up for? I'm not in this brand deal. I'm driving and Lewis is like, you've got to remember to signal when you change lanes. And I think it was Smithly that I was

with and I looked at him and he looked at me and he was like, he did signal. You just missed it. Oh shit. Okay. And I was like, backseat motherfucker, you can fucking stay there. Wow. Never do it again. Wow. I'm a passenger princess. What can I say? So I've, we stayed in this little village and it's obviously somewhere that has been populated for a long time. This is quite old, quite traditional. Some of this, there's some old churches and stuff around.

It's all very nice, sort of nice small village it feels like, in a little valley, right? And every house has like a gate, a big gate, like a sealed locked gate. Every single house. And every house also has, in their sort of gated front area, dogs. Okay. Just, just out all day. Just out all day. And barking at anyone who comes by. And I don't know what, write in if you have any idea, but I don't know whether a, the people are worried about security and this is their sort of thing,

or whether they, it's just tradition. It's just everyone has it so everyone copies it, right? But we walk down to like the local village. And of course the shop in the village opens from I think 11 till two or 11 till one and then five till seven. Okay. So it was like, it was proper, you know, they have their siesta. So we walked down to the, to the shop and every house, the dogs are leaping up at you and barking and barking away. And like, you get to the shop and you get your stuff and you walk back. And we walked once around the village. It was every house. And actually, I felt like there was a lot of, I walked around, I saw this one house, it was like this little cage and it had like two dogs in it. And they were like, kind of barking away in this little cage. And I was like, oh my God, they're here,

like all fucking day in this little cage with no one else around. And it was like, it was kind of shocking actually to see that level of like, kind of, I want to say animal neglect, but I guess I don't, as a pet owner, maybe that's fine. I'm not a pet owner. No, leading dogs outside all the time I think is rotten. And they are all barking at each other. Like the cacophony of a nighttime, you know, in this beautiful valley, it's just dogs, one dog barks, set all the other dogs off, they all go barking. It's like, across the whole beautiful place.

And I couldn't really quite believe it. And the other thing I did was I went to, while I was there, I went to Loro Park, which is, bird, means bird, bird park. It's like one of the best modern zoos in the world, apparently according to them and Trip Advisor and some other people. But it's this huge, huge zoo. They've got Orcas, which is obviously a problem. They've got dolphins at sea lions shows, which I went to and I thought were pretty fucking amazing, honestly. Yeah, they will be, but it's kind of... There's an element of cruelty involved in a lot of

that stuff. Well, this is the thing, right? I can't go to a zoo now. And I want to talk to you about it, because I don't... My feeling is, I always go there with this level of apprehension, and I think everyone does now, that animals should not be in cages or being captured to show off to people. And I know it's different in different parts of the world. And I know also there's a lot of reasons for it. And so, for example, the Orcas is the big one, right? They're these

huge, amazing whales. And there was a documentary I watched, I think everyone watched Blackfish about 10 years ago, about how there was an orca that killed a couple of its trainers, right? Because it was really mistreated and wasn't looked after properly and it was kept in a tiny... Animals shouldn't be in captivity like this. And I know that some of them are born in captivity and can't really be released into the wild because they just get eaten immediately. Or they'll just swim up to a flipping Japanese fishing boat and get harpooned. It's kind of, you've got this problem of...

So the zoo kind of presents itself as this big advocate for conservation. Okay. And it's very, very keen to talk about all the problems and all the cruelty and all the climate change and all the issues going on in the world and how it's trying to help with them. Now watch Flipper go through the hoop. Exactly. Yeah. Cheer for him kids, knock on the glass. He loves it. Exactly. Exactly. And also like, I think it it is owned by a multinational conglomerate,

of like, they've got hotels and other theme parks and other stuff too. They're a for-profit business, right? And so, I don't see how those two things can really square. I realise they are better than nothing, but at the same time, like... And also, if you've got these Orcas, okay, they've obviously got these very, very big tanks for them, but they the same time, like, and also, if you've got these orcas, okay, they've obviously got these very, very big tanks for them, but they're huge anyway. And I worry that, on the one hand, giving them this show to do is some sort of enrichment, right? It's like a job. It's kind of, they're interacting, they're doing, it is enrichment, right? It's not nothing. It would be worse to just leave them in a tank on their own, right? But on the other hand, you can't let them out. I don't know.

There's this whole... It's so difficult for me to put it all down in my head and how I feel about it. Will Barron Well, think about it this way. If you see something like an orca or an elephant or anything like that in captivity, that's the equivalent to you being put in a tiny six foot by six foot cell and compare that with how much land or ocean that animal would cover in its lifetime. And although it might be a tough life, they would be free. And you look at all because they fucking travel thousands of miles in their lifetime easily. Yeah. And now you're like, well, here you go. Have a fucking tiny cell to live in.

Now, there are some animals that you perfectly find whacking in captivity. I don't think it's a problem at all. But when I look and I see a snake or a lizard, it's just in a fucking tiny glass box. It's nice to look at the animals. I get it. But at the same time, it's pretty fucking inhumane.

Yeah, but do not let that snake out of there. Please let them all out at once! Don't do it! I'm saying have a special zoo session. Snakes, spiders, scorpions, out! Keep those spiders contained! We don't want them out here. And it's all the lights go out, all the lights go out, it's like that bit in Cabin in the

Woods when the doors open and all the monsters come out at the same time. That's what I want at the zoo. Let them out! Fucking out. I think we just need to be phasing out these animals. I think there's a lot of good conservation trusts that actually don't just talk about it but do a lot of conservation stuff. I mean, there are some good zoos.

There genuinely are. And I think some of them do some good work. A lot of these animals that they have are rescued animals. And it's not like they've gone out and fucking tranked an elephant and dragged it to the zoo. I mean, even in Longleat, the safari park, they've got an elephant, but it's a rescue elephant. It was in a circus and it was abused and everything. Right. So that's a positive.

She's got a huge shed that she lives in with like tons of space for her to walk around and stuff like that. And she's- Is a shed a house? She's old. So, you know what I mean? It's not like, um, I think for her that that's fine. You know what I mean?

It's like a retirement home. Yeah, kinda. She's had a really tough life. And now she can just be taken care of and relax a bit. It's not like there aren't people who are doing wonderful work and obviously caring greatly for all these animals and loving them and making a lot of effort and, you know, and there's huge amounts of people who do volunteer work at these places to help and obviously a lot of these breeding programs can help get endangered animals back into

the wild. You know, and that is, you know, and it is a relatively small number, you know, they've actually got in captivity, you know, compared to how many sometimes are out there. And if they're, especially if they're adding hundreds more out into the world and they've got a keeping four or whatever that can't be released, it's not, it's not so. And also, I think also, you know, having been to Japan and seen some of the animal cruelty over in different countries, I think they have a very different attitude towards animals than we do in their culture. And certainly I've seen, well, when I went there with my partner, they were crying about

stuff that was going on, that they saw with animals chained up and animals hurting themselves and stuff like this because they were in horrible conditions and I think it's not, you know, I think this zoo was much better than some of them. But I also think that part of the reason, there is an influence, okay, so part of the reason that this Loro Parque has orcas is because they got them in like 2001, they leased them from SeaWorld, right? And I think the problem is that SeaWorld had this big American orca show and it's very Americanized. The show they have in Tenerife, right? It's very... there's a steakhouse you can go to afterwards. There's a splash zone. It's got a kiss cam or whatever. It zooms in on people and tries to... on the big monitors. You see

what I mean? It feels like you're at a ball game. And it's kind of very strange to see that. And it's obviously because the cultural influence has done it. And so I think that you can very easily see people in China or people in the countries where they don't have as good animal welfare, you know, saying, oh look, they're doing this and it's popular, it's making loads of money, let's set up our own. You know, I think it is dangerous in that sense. So I was a bit upset about it, but a very impressive zoo overall, and I thought it was, they were doing a lot of good stuff. And I like birds too, so like, the thing is... I like birds too! I love red birds! The thing I found about Loro Parque was it's obviously started off as a parrot

park, right? And they've got like 3000 parrots there, or whatever. It's not fair, there's a lot of birds in cages though, is it mate? And so, interestingly, rather than have a separate area for the birds, they've got kind of birds everywhere. Yeah, well, it's 2025 mate. I'm not dropping this. So, so, so everyone else would be staring at the lines or whatever. And I'm staring at these over his head. You know what I mean? Looking up, looking at the fucking, and the little, yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Um, I was thinking of a couple of things.

I've looked I'm just I've been on blue sky lately because it seems a bit more chill. Yeah. And I'm looking at things that I've posted on here that I don't remember. This one was three days ago, but I would like to talk about it. I posted a picture of a roller coaster ride in a shopping mall. Okay. Okay. Now, if you look at I'm just pairing flags on Blue Sky, if you want to see the picture for anyone listening, it's just three chairs, the like like benches like you'd have in an old theme park. Right.

Three of those in a row. Yeah. Then there is a how can I put the picture? I'll pop it in the discord so you guys can see what I'm talking about. So it looks like a sleigh in front of a monitor. So it's like it's like three things looks like a Santa's sleigh looks like Santa's sleigh except there's a TV right. Yeah. And fans decided the TV little fans and then please select experience.

It looks like a shitty fairground ride really bad. It looks like a shitty fairground ride. It's really bad. It looks like that. It looks like the fairground from Father Ted, you know, when they have the, uh, the craggy island. It's a spider with the mind of a baby. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. Um, so that that's, as you can see, there's like a really, really bad broken, um, bit

of what do they call that thing? Uh, where you have a barrier. Yeah. Like that thing. Yeah. it's like a cordon. So it's sort of cordon off. There's obviously a big sound system behind. So you have to go in there, presumably pay. It's got those little shitty steps to get up into it. It is the saddest fucking thing. And it is right in the middle of the ground floor of the Bentall shopping center in Kingston. So everybody, if you were on it, everyone

else could look down and see you being a twat on this fucking thing. The whole time we were there, nobody even went near it. Somebody came up with this idea and it was okayed and they acquired all of these things and they carefully laid it out and they set it up and everything like that. For what? What is this shit? It's so fucking annoyingly bad. Yeah. I'm just appalled that it's still it exists. This exists. And it made me sad. I wonder. I wonder. Like, the thing is, like, you you you see this stuff like in a snapshot in time,

you know, like you'll you'll be there. You'll see it and you'll be like, fuck, nobody uses this. If you watch CCTV of like that thing all day, it's got to be used a couple of times. I would love to see people using something like this. If you watch CCTV of like that thing all day, it's got to be used a couple of times. I would love to see people using something like this. Yeah, but who are these people? Just to see, yeah. Who looks at that and thinks, that looks fun.

I want to know who's using it. And I want to know, I want to gauge how much fun they're having on it. Yeah, I really would love to do that. Or if they just look fucking miserable like the whole time. Cause I feel like- I'd like to talk to them before and after. I like when they were about to go and say,

oh, sorry, I just want to ask, why did you choose to go on this ride? Oh, look, fun. Really, that looked fun. Yeah. On a scale of one to ten, how fun did it look? And then afterwards, be like, how was it? And they're like, oh, shit.

All right, maybe not fun. I want to talk to them. But that to me does not look fun. It doesn't look anything like fun. It looks terrible. I can't really describe fun that sort of precisely, but to me that does not at all look fun. I wouldn't even consider it in a million years to waste my time on that thing. It doesn't even look dangerous.

At least there'd be some element of anticipation of danger. This looks like that shitty Willy Wonka experience or whatever. Yeah, it's terrible. It looks stupid. There is Wonka experience or whatever, do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's terrible! It looks stupid. There is a lot of dog shit shit. Can I say, I've just read through your Blue Sky post, reflex, they are fucking gold. His one. Pikachu is meant to be a mouse?

Have the lads that made him ever actually seen a mouse? Yeah, I'm confused, I didn't think it was a mouse. What's Blue Sky like? Because Twitter is insane now. Oh my god, it's so bad. I actually, I made the mistake of opening it the other day, I haven't been on for quite some time. And that cannot be real people making those posts.

It's unbelievably bad. It's unbelievably bad. It's really so bad. Here's the thing, too many people don't realize, don't have any idea what's going on and just use it because they keep using it and they're just on autopilot. They don't have time to change. They don't know there's an alternative. No one's ever heard of an alternative.

They just, it's the same thing, probably, what's going to happen with Honey, which we haven't talked about. Oh my god. Yes. I've had several emails about this. I don't know much about this. I've heard bits and pieces, but I don't know the full story. Well like I've heard I've heard bits and pieces, but like I don't know the full story. Well, there's a really good video.

There is a good video about it. He basically found out apparently this was known, but he like publicized it a bit that if you have a code, like, for example, and to code tricolors, like the coupon thing. Yes. Yeah. So, the coupon lady. The coupon lady. The coupon lady. Yeah. The coupon lady.

So that lady, they would intercept that code at checkout, and they would take the commission. And you would get like 2p, instead of a bunch of money. Right. 0p. So that was what they did. And they'd been doing that for years, and taking time for... Well, honey, obviously, it got bought by PayPal, it's worth three billion dollars. Right. And Markiplier... I think it was bought for four billion, time. Well, Honey obviously, it got bought by PayPal. It's worth three billion dollars. Right. I think it was bought for four billion actually.

Well, huge amount. Anyway, Markiplier did a post in 2020 saying, there's something fishy about, he's still, it's quite viral, but it's quite good actually, you'll see it. But he, he was like, there's something weird about Honey, how do they make their money? It turns out, they make their money by getting the referral code, right? And stealing it, regardless of what referral code you've put in previously. So imagine like one of the examples he used on the video was really amazing. It's like a NordVPN thing. NordVPN sometimes give like 40 or 50 pounds for referral code, or bucks or euros or whatever it was. But Honey will just take that if you have it installed. And all you have to, you know, even if they don't, even if they don't give you a discount.

So they never offer it to you. They just take it. They, they, they, they take that. Well, no, they take other people's. Oh, they take other people's. The person using Honey gets the discount, but the referral money goes to Honey instead of the person whose referral card they're using. So the example you use was, imagine you're in a shop and there's a salesman there.

And when you say, I want to buy this telly, he gives you a business card, says, give this to the cashier. So I get my commission. And at the checkout, Honey comes in and takes his card and slides their card into your hand and you hand that over to the cashier. Right. So she gives the commission to the wrong guy. I'm making sure I'm understanding perfectly because I'm trying to think up some other ways to make money 2025. This is really interesting.

There you go. It's a really interesting one. Anyway, it's a really good view. You should definitely watch it. But obviously, it's kind of crazy because this has kind of flown publicly, but people did not really realise how it worked. I think there's also problems with Honey colluding with companies to not give the best discount codes. No doubt. So for example, Honey will have a deal with someone that they have a 10% discount code or something like this, and then they get this cart, whereas they would, and

it would hide bigger discount codes. You see what I mean? So they don't give you the best discount. Turns out they're doing some shady shit. So in short, we completely retract any support of Honey that we ever had and they can go fuck themselves. That old lady is going to have to get her coupon code discount purse back out. She's being strangled somewhere right now. Well no, she was right all along. She was reluctant because she was relying on her coupon book. I did not realise it was the same one that we did ads for. I thought it was something completely different.

Everyone did. It was huge because they had this, obviously this business that suddenly was making them so much money from all these referral codes. Because that's kind of so much of the internet is referral codes. And to its detriment, to be honest, like AI now, I don't know if you tried to use the internet in the last year, but AI is fucking everywhere. No I don't. You don't really use it much. Never. And it's disgusting.

Too busy watching a bus, you know what I mean? It's kind of out of control. And a lot of it is powered through referral codes, right? So for example, people will be like, I need a new toaster. What's the best toaster? There'll be a website and it will be all referral code links. And so again, you can't get a real toaster review because people are just throwing up these AI pages or quickly making these things to reap the referral codes. They just look at toasters on Amazon with the best referral codes for me to get a big cut. And that's number one on their toaster review. Do you see what I mean? It's all, it's all money. The internet is, and everything is, this is the world we live in,

it's all money based, obviously. That's what makes the world go round. It's not honest money. That's the problem. It's the worst it's ever been. And I think Honey is incredibly dishonest with the way it is acting. Especially when someone like, you know, you look at someone like Linus Tech Tips or whatever, these big YouTubers who review things and actually do review them, they make a lot of their money from referral codes, right? So they have the links to the things they're reviewing in their description. You click that and it'll give you a little cookie and then they'll get a kickback

when that thing's sold. But of course, honey's paying those guys to advertise honey and it's effectively taking their referral code. Pretty fucking ballsy. It's pretty ballsy. But you know what? People were like, I don't get how they make their money. Something's fishy here. Trust your instincts. Yeah. Trust your instinct. Oh, fuck, that reminds me of something. This week. So, my youngest likes to buy things on, she buys stuff on vintage, she buys stuff on Amazon. She's a real bargainer. On the internet?

On the internet. So, is this, okay, didn't you tell me that something, they bought something really shit, and then were like angry that it was shit, and you were like, well they paid a pound for it. So she ordered a wig and it was a scam wig, as she put it. So she's the one fucking buying wigs. I talked about this. A scam wig. The AliExpress thing. Well, because you go to the front page of AliExpress and it's fucking wigs.

Dude, my kids love buying stupid wigs. Even today, you go there, go to AliExpress.com, wigs. I know, I'm sorry. It's children. I know, I'm sorry. It's children who buy the wigs. Why is it okay for kids to buy dumb wigs, but it's not OK for a grown man to buy a realistic looking wig. Riddle me that.

And it costs like two quid or whatever. And it arrived and it was rubbish. And she was in tears. She was like, I bought a scam wig. It's a scam wig. And I said, love, it costs two pound. You got exactly what you paid for. So she upped it to a little bit more. Now she's very good about buying things.

She's pretty smart. She bought some matcha powder, which is like, I don't know what it is. You put it on coffee. I wouldn't buy food. No, it's fine. She got it on Amazon. It's fine. Okay.

So she got the, she's on the ordering thing and he says- Green tea powder. It's normally expensive, matcha, by the way. Well, it was two quid. All right. Of God. Right? From a company called Bulk. I think they're called Bulk. Expensive matchup, by the way. Well, it was too quick. All right of God Bulk I think they called men. Oh, you gotta tell your daughter to be careful because she could get

Like somebody who's assembling bombs or something like this is Shit like matchup powder and we yes, am I five or onto you? Yeah So we got another one matchup powder and wigs the command center is going crazy right now. The alarms are off. Stockholm all over again. Get the best team we've got. Find them. What are they going to be wearing? Wearing wigs. Oh, my God. A bunch of people wearing wigs. Anyway, she goes to say where she wants it delivered. And you have to pin one of the delivery points on the map.

And then she says, oh, no, wait, I can get it delivered to home. So she switches to that, but she's already clicked on somewhere. So long story short, it ended up being delivered to the wrong address and it was a place above a corner shop. So, okay, she says to me, I went into the corner shop after school because I got the email saying that it was delivered. And he said to me, the guy behind the counter said to me, oh no, it's probably gone to the flat upstairs. You need to go down this alleyway and go up the staircase and knock on their door. And if they're home, they'll have it happens all the time. So she's with a friend of hers and he opens this creaky wooden gate.

And he's like, it's down that alleyway and up the stairs. He goes, don't worry, it's a couple of ladies that live there. And they're looking at him like, hmm, it doesn't feel good. And it's a really narrow, shady alleyway. And they're going down it. And he's like standing at the end of the alleyway with his arms sort of like waving them on. Like, yeah, yeah, just there on the left.

Like the scene from Goodfellas. Just like Goodfellas. Just like I told Mrs. F. That's like with Karen. Karen, I got you some nice dresses and coats. Go in there. Go in there. Right in there. And she looks in, there's two shady dudes in there.

So she comes home and she tells me this story that she got there and there was no one at the door and they left. And she was telling me how it didn't feel right. I didn't want to do it. And it just, you know, my everything, all my instincts were saying, don't go down this alleyway, but I just felt it would be rude and blah, blah, blah. And I said, trust your fucking instincts every time. Every time our species has evolved to have instincts

when something doesn't feel right. It probably isn't right. Don't go down that alleyway. Your brain is saying don't go down that alleyway, but your socialized norms and politeness are making you say, oh, I can't say no, because that'd be rude. Fuck all that. You just say, I'll come back later. Yeah, exactly.

And that's what we did. And we went down there and I was like, love, I wouldn't have gone down this fucking alleyway because it looks like I'm going to get mugged. Like it's the narrowest, darkest fucking alley. And then you round this back, it's all rubbish in this shady area. Luckily, it was just a couple,

it genuinely was a couple of students, young girls that lived there. So it was fine, but I was like, love, trust your instincts. You can't be making these bad choices. So lesson learned. But if you're out there, if you have bad instincts, trust them. Trust them. Yeah. If you see a bald man coming down your narrow alleyway,

throw match powder at him until he runs away. Throw one on him. Disarm him. Take the wigs. Take them off. Throw a one on him. Take the wigs. Take the wigs. Take them off. Fucking hell. Fuck.

I feel like we have barely scratched the surface of things to talk about this week. That's good though. We'll have loads to talk about next week. That's all we've got time for. Oh my God. What a podcast. Thank you for joining us everyone. Thank you so much.

I hope you guys had a good Christmas. I hope you have a great new year. Happy 2025. We're off to a great crack and start. See you 2025. Bye!