Triforce! - Triforce! Mailbag Special #13: Why we do what we do

Episode Date: May 3, 2023

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available as a mild hybrid inline six turbo or as a plug-in hybrid, crafted to move every part of you. Hello and welcome to Mailbag. I don't know which episode Mailbag it is. It's episode 69 now. It's a running time of 420 minutes. And also... 13. Oh no, it's unlucky for some. Mailbag 13. We're lucky for everyone whose emails

I read out. Shall we start with probably the most boring email that I think we've had? I think so. This is from Mr. Waffles. I mean, this is just... I'll tell you why this made me laugh in a sec. I work for a company that manufactures and services water pump booster sets. These are required when any building is taller than a couple of stories and

the mains isn't sufficient or requires a large water demand after running the manufacturing department for countless slow down we're getting right into this i know i recently become a service engineer man in a van and today i was doing some works on the unit in the basement that supplies water to the building of the new Hooters in Liverpool. What? I didn't realise this at the time, but I also manufactured the booster set in our factory that we supplied for the building's renovation. Not an interesting story, I know, but it was pretty

cool for me, since you've mentioned Hooters on a few occasions. I've got to say, it made me laugh. You have a very passive life, my dude. I installed the gushing pipe into the new hooters, and when I left, when I was finished, let me tell you, there was more than one gushing pipe. My pipe was also gushing.

It left behind. I just like a water booster set. It just sounds like the most boring thing ever. It made me think of the Box Factory episode in The Simpsons, where he takes the kids on a school trip to the Box Factory. He's like, we make a number of corrugated boxes. And they're like, do you have any boxes? He goes, oh, no, we don't assemble the boxes here.

That's dumb. No, I find the older I get, the more interested I am in dumb shit like that, though. Right. No, the older I get, the more interested I am in dumb shit like that, though. Right. I go to a box assembly plant and enjoy the shit out of myself while I was there. Honestly, me too. I'd be fascinated. Yeah, I went to a box potato factory one time.

That was pretty awesome. I would love to go to the local dairy to check that out. What's a potato factory? Like a field? What are you talking about? No, it's like they got to process them. the local dairy to check that out. What's a potato factory? Like a field? What are you talking about? They've got to process them. They've got to package them.

So there's a whole system to do with identifying the right size of potatoes, getting the duds out, and then ultimately packaging them and then organising them in a warehouse for them to go to different places. You know what I'd like to see?

I read how they make French fries for McDonald's. They have a stream of water going through a pipe. And at the end of the pipe, there's like a mesh. And they just drop potatoes into the stream of the water. And it blasts them through this mesh. So you have potatoes pouring into this pipe. And at the other end end you just have french fries just shooting out into these bins that catch them.

It's pretty amazing. Yeah, the sort of mass manufacturing side of things is always like... I watch Inside the Factory when it's on. I don't seek it out, but I like it when it's on. That is absolutely amazing. I can't believe it. He's looking like it when it's on. That is absolutely amazing. I can't believe it. He's looking at like a handle making machine.

You're telling me this makes handles for doors? It is like that, but honestly, some of the stuff is fucking mind-blowing. Whenever you open a door, you don't think, where did that fucking handle come from, do you? Well, we're in a day to find out all right this is uh this is from someone that lives in norway and has requested that i

withhold their name and norway yes i'll explain why and this time i'm actually not going to say their name so apologies for the person I did before What is a typical Norway name even well, I don't go into that. Let's not even speculate All right, you'll find out why too many episodes ago You were talking about strange traditions namely Christmas traditions from different parts of the world and this is their experience I'm born and raised in Norway, but both of my parents are from Iran I did not grow up with Norwegian traditions the first years of my life and would later experience them at an older age.

Now, what was lacking in most cases was nostalgia. So some of these experiences were quite weird for me. For instance, during Christmas, all Norwegians, that's all, will gather in front of the screen and watch that sketch you've mentioned, Dinner for One. Do you remember we talked about that before? Yes, we've talked about it. Which is very big in Germany, so apparently big in Norwayway too which i guess is funny the first time you watch it problem is having seen it multiple times at an adult age with no fond memories attached to it it

ends up becoming a chore but dinner for one is just the appetizer for what's to come and it's the weirdest thing about norwegian christmas it's a 1973 movie from the czech republic called three wishes for cinderella where the audio is in its original czech language except it's lowered so Christmas. It's a 1973 movie from the Czech Republic called Three Wishes for Cinderella, where the audio is in its original Czech language, except it's lowered so one Norwegian guy can dub over all of it by himself. Every character is dubbed to Norwegian from this one guy, with the original audio behind him. The movie itself, being as old as it is and with the cringey plot it has, is difficult to watch, but the dubbing is what gets me. Imagine every character, no matter what age or gender,

has the same voice by a somewhat nonchalant voiceover artist. It's truly remarkable, but every Norwegian loves it. And then he's requested I withhold his name in case every Norwegian hunts them down, pitchfork style. Which is fair enough. But I do love the idea of just one guy that's just like, who's going to dub this? I'll do it. It's like, well, there's like 20 characters in it.

Yeah, I can do voices. And he just does his normal voice just get uh we we gotta do this quickly and cheaply just get w mcgee in and uh well this happens more often than you realize right like um first of all no one complains when it's an audiobook right read by one guy and he does all the men and women's voices right secondly um i was watching the physical 100 which is the korean i saw that squid game thing which i thought was quite good there is a dub for it um which i had on i watched and it's it's quite funny because you watched the dub yeah i watched the dub any good apparently well i read this somewhere that they got like there were so many voices right in it like 100 testers right that they they sort of had to get anyone and who was anyone like on staff just to come in and do a line right because they didn't need like a profession and

they had obviously a lot of the same guys do the same voices and so it kind of it didn't feel very good because they didn't have distinct enough voices there was no character to them is there no and and i think and apparently they just got like the lighting guy and like random guys to dub over it or like random guys in the office you know it'd be like us leaning on office staff like because can you do one line for this character thanks um so no i i i i don't i don, I think some people are very talented and can do loads of voices, though. So it could, you might not even know, especially with like South Park or whatever, you know, Trey and Matt basically do every voice.

Yeah, yeah. And when you look at some of the people on The Simpsons as well, like some people, sure, they just do like Marge and that's it. Hank Azaria does a ton of voices. Some other people do like 25 voices. You don't need to use his last name, just call him Hank. Hank. I mean, Lewis already called just do Marge and that's it. Hank Azaria does a ton of voices. Some other people do like 25 voices. You don't need to use his last name. Just call him Hank. Hank.

I mean, Lewis already called them just Trey and Matt. Trey and Matt. We're very informal here. I forgot the rest of their names. Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I remember.

Trey and Matt. Yeah, you know, Hank does a really good job. I'm like named off in my body. Some of the voices he does. Love South Park, by the way. We're going for like 25 years. They had a really good one recently about, remind me, jog my memory. Prince Harry.

Yes. He published his book called Wah. I'm too privileged. I think that was basically the, just the, I haven't seen the episode, but I love the fact that I still, whenever I tune back to South Park and catch an episode, I'm still surprised by how far they push it.

Yeah. I'm always amazed by how quickly they can produce an episode as well so that it's still current. I think that's been the winning formula for them. I think by not having animation that's good, you could just bosh this out in a few weeks. Yeah, absolutely. It's almost like doing a podcast, right? They can just get something out very quickly. But even then, even producing something that quickly,

the writing in it is often very funny as well. So it's pretty incredible. This is from someone who says, throughout the podcast, you guys have mentioned coal mines and how bad they are for the environment and who could possibly work there. I'm 28 years old and live in Colorado. When I was 23, I was trying to make money fast for my family. My wife suggested that I work at a coal mine since her father worked there and makes 50 bucks an hour. Wow. I got a job at an underground mine. My job title was roof bolter, and he drilled 8 to 20 foot bolts into the roof to prevent small to large sections of coal falling.

I'm a hardcore believer in climate change, global warming, etc. My time working at the coal mine taught me that most miners believe that climate change and global warming is fake news or conspiracies yeah honestly even bringing up the subject will get you shunned yeah that being said it was one of the favorite jobs i've ever had if you guys ever want to hear stories about greasings crew initiations and or the interworkings of a modern coal mine just mention it on a podcast and i or somebody else will fill you in. Fill us in!

Give me some coal mining tasks. There's certain jobs that I have decided I would never do. One of them is looking after anybody else. Any job that involves wiping somebody's ass or washing them down. You've been doing that for the last 10 years. When it's your own babies, it's a bit different. I'm talking about wiping an 85-year-old's ass and changing

their piss-soaked underpants every day and stuff. I don't want to do any of that. I have the choice. I have the choice. I choose not to do it. I also choose not to work underground. I just don't want to be down there. I'm just saying, you've been ass-wiping

for 10 years. You're a pro at it baby's ass okay like it's in a weird way wiping your baby's ass just feels like wiping your own ass it's not it's not so bad it really isn't so bad but i would not want to wipe a grown man's ass or a grown woman's ass or anything. You know what I mean? Well, interestingly, you say that. I don't want to be near anybody's ass or hoochie-coochie or anything. Just a couple of wet wipes. Job done.

No, it's not. I think you're over-egging the pudding here. These people are ill as well most of the time if you're at the point you're doing this. What if they got gross poo? They could. Oh, good lord. They might have sores or anything. Well, in that case, you have to make them some porridge or something.

Get them some, like, get them some fiber in their diet. It sounds like you really love all this, so why don't you do it, and then I don't have to do it. I'm not doing that. Well, now, that does preclude you. That does preclude you from being part of a sniper team, because we have an email from Travis here. This is amazing.

This ties in perfectly hi guys i just thought i'd let you know uh on an episode in november you guys spoke about snipers having a piss in a jug and throwing away their poop sips thought this would alert the poop trackers i would just like to say it's way worse than that on me. We got poop in sector C5. Release the hounds. Get me Jed Cullock. He's the best poop tracker there is. They can smell poo at full miles. So it says snipers mostly work

in teams of two. When they're in position, they could be there for a very long time. Literally days where they have to be looking through the scope at every moment. They piss where they lay. Hold on. They can't look away to have a shit. The spotter will undo their pants and help them maneuver whilst the sniper remains looking through the scope. The spotter may

also have to wipe the sniper's bum. So there you go. You cannot be a sniper. I could be a sniper. I just wouldn't be the spotter. I could be the shot taker. I just wouldn't be the ass wiper. That is some fucking dedication.

I think if you're going out on like a long sniping mission, though, couldn't they just fit you with like a bag and then you could take a bunch of like diarrhea pills and then- The opposite. Yeah. You could just free flow, right? Or constipation pills, either way. You could just free flow into that bag and then nobody would have to sort you out. It just mean that like after a certain point, obviously, you'd have to return to base. I mean, pooping is a classic thing, right? It's the same thing with tank crews and stuff, right?

Like if you're in a fucking, if you've managed to squeeze yourself into one of these tanks, which is not the easiest process. Don't they have like a chute at the bottom of the tank that you can poop out of though? Like on a train. The poop chute. That's the weakest point on a tank. out of though? Like on a train. The poop chute. That's the weakest point on a tank. Well, it's like right. It's like in the middle. I'd imagine it's like in the middle and it's like underneath.

So nobody's going to. Yeah, but you leave it open. A landmine's going to get in there. That's true. Who lets a poop chute open? Yeah, you don't leave it open though. That's rule number one. The tank crew.

What is this? I don't. Well, listen, if you're a tank crew let us know you're not shitting okay as somebody who has been in an enclosed space with turds before uh my friend uh took a shit into a martin container and sealed it and uh opened it in a car during the winter when all the windows were closed let me tell you nobody's shitting into a container or a jug inside a tank that's close quarters everybody's gonna be sick like that that smell would be overwhelmingly bad yeah so interestingly when i did the mre streams

i learned a bit about how they do the rations and a lot of it is designed to bung you up right yes like the famously the army biscuits that they give out. The reason there's tons of biscuits is they will bung you up. And the point is you're bunged up for a couple of days. And then when it's a good time, you take the, the gum, the chewing gum is like a gum that makes you poop. So an army MRE,

the rations are designed around pooping. When you, when is a good time? It's just when your ass is in your hole, like when you're in the hole, I've been that i watch band of brothers in the pacific and that is my big takeaway there's always some guy who's who's yelling at everybody during the battle you know he's running around saying keep moving keep moving get your ass out of that hole get your ass into that hole get on your ass get off your ass it's a lot

of that right he's the the arse man that's his job stay on my ass stay on my ass cover my ass yeah it's all arses it's all bottoms with you americans isn't it they're obsessed um so this is this is a good one i'm gonna have to drag this i hope i can drag this picture to discord um this is uh from jordan uh i was scrolling through facebook and saw a post about a man who exposed himself in a park in australia right uh and they saw a composite sketch of the perpetrator and instantly thought they bore a striking resemblance to one of us let's see if i can just drag this over here hang on i'll have to say one of us one of us oh god i thought he was gonna say myself do you mean like or something i thought this story

was good i didn't know where this was going this is which one of us is it this is this is who it is oh my god it looks like a sips sex doll i'd fuck it i'd fuck it yeah that is the face of man who's just been caught exposing himself i don't know how we're gonna share this with the audience what is the psychology behind that what what causes people to expose themselves what uh what did like what what did they get from that like it's a sexual thing right it is so i've read a bit about it fucking yeah it's a sexual thing, right? It is. So I've read a bit about it. It's almost always that they get off on the shock and surprise and possibly the fear of the person that they're exposing themselves to. So if you think about it, if I approach a group of young women and whip my tajra out and they will scream and run away.

That's quite a powerful feeling, isn't it? Where you feel like my penis has terrified these women and i think for some guys it's a it's a it's a power trip and it's a it's it's a thing that makes them feel like a like a big man really that's louis ck uh was up was doing that no he jerked off in front of people all right his whole thing i know like i knew he did but like I thought- I guess that's even worse. Yeah. That's like flashing version two. Yeah.

But the issue with what he did was that he would ask if he could do it, and he didn't understand that if you're a big, fancy comedian and other much lesser comedians want to be your friend in part because you might be able to help their career, then saying, you guys mind if I jerk off? Is kind of like saying, I i'm going to jerk off and you have to say yes that's the power dynamic that people have an issue with i mean okay mooning right still seen as kind of a cute thing or is that now also basically just illegal i don't know i don't know do you mean because look i'm just saying to all those would- flashes out there um there's other options are you going to be careful though if i'm ruining somebody if i pull my pants down too far they're seeing my ball sack and everything yeah like

you you really have to be careful but that's fine right if that's what you want anyway i don't want to see anybody i'm just saying i don't want to show someone's balls or ass if all you're trying to do is get a shock effect off of someone i don't know like i think it's more than that i think it must be something i don't know well if you're running somebody and bending over there they they can gaze directly into your asshole as well what is the what is the fucking particular aperture of the the anus is is uh i think one thing i said before on this was um people post dick pics because they think they're gonna get reciprocation right it's like oh if if you if i send you a picture of my dick you'll send me a picture of your tits right yeah because you have to that's not a fair trade that's

not a fair i don't think that's a very fair trade what what do you expect well a picture of the punani i mean you know i showed you my show me what's exchange for the the picture of the dick the tits then i'll show you well i've being somebody i know i know obviously about dick pics and dick pic sharing and stuff but i've i've never taken a picture of my penis or received a ball sack is equivalent to tits what is so what what if is it is a dick pic just you're taking a picture of your flaccid ass dick or no No, you get it hard, I believe. You get it hard and you grip it. Yeah, you grip it and rip it and then you take a picture. Right.

And then you clip it and you ship it. That's the rule. Is there like a little bit of like pre-jizz glisten on that as well? Get some gleam going on that. You got a little bit of gleam? In my experience, I don't think anyone's making it look good. None of these, it looks like a frightened ghost. Well, that's your dick pics, maybe.

I'm talking about other people's dick pics might be extremely impressive. I think outside of a sexual context, like genitals are kind of not- They're not using like soft focus. There's no filter to make your dick look better. I don't want to, I wouldn't want to look at, if somebody's sending me a dick pic- Oh my God, that's such a good idea. I'd want it to be like a highly sexualized dick not just like yeah not just there not just some just some dangly boring dick i want to see like a rock hard you know let's be perfectly blunt sexual organs if you're just

looking at them on their own they're just kind of boring yeah it's you know they're not the most attractive part of a person generally no but i mean like if you look you think of like old magazines like you know when you were a kid and the magazines in the woods and and stuff like hustler and playboy and stuff they they would like they they would do up like the pussies and stuff right i never i don't remember ever seeing pictures of dicks what do you mean really but like what do you mean that what do you mean the way they sell food, you know? They like spritz them up a bit or something. They like lube it up. They make it look appetizing, you know? Like a splash of olive oil and a sprig of basil.

That's what they would do. But if you're just sending me a dick pic, you've just woken up and you just pull down your underpants and take a picture of your sagging genitals. That's not going to do it. I need some glitz and glamour in there too. Yeah, glam it up. I mean, I think if you send it going into someone else's mouth... I want to see some dew drops on that cock and stuff. You know what I mean?

I want to see... You've got to gussy it up a bit. I want some beads of sweat on the hat. Yeah, yeah. A hat and a scarf, I'm thinking, if it's winter. Like, Merry Christmas, and there's like a picture of your dick with a little woolly hat on the end and a little scarf. Yeah, yeah.

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So yeah, I don't really use TikTok, but sometimes people show me things on it. That's where I am in my life. When you say people, you mean Sarah, don't you? No, I've got a couple of friends who send me links to TikToks as well. Do you know what I mean? I love it. It's hilarious. I saw a TikTok the other day of a man with a whole bunch of baby parrots.

He had like 10 baby parrots. And as it went on, the parrots got older and older. And they were like, he had like bonded to them. And he was like, all 10 of them were in a row. He was like tucking them in to go to bed and kissing them and everything. And they were like kissing him back and stuff. I mean, it was weird. I mean, it's all it's all right what's going on in the world i don't know man did he just do that whole thing for a tiktok i think so i reckon he would it would have

been like it would have been pretty time lapse though because these pair i don't know how quickly a parrot grows but no i mean i mean they were really like you know you know like when they don't even have feathers and stuff, like they were small. And then all of a sudden they had plumage. Yeah, they take a couple of months to get to that stage. Yeah, so he would have been. But they also grow up quite quick birds. They're sort of forced to, I think.

This would have been a slow cook. Even though they're like juveniles for like years, they do look like adults because. I mean, they're wild animals, aren't they? They have to blend in, right laura the jungle fascinating i do wonder about this like some people it's not it's on you see on youtube right some people do take like months to make a video right like this is one guy who makes factorio videos where he plays the game for hundreds of hours and then edits into one video and so you know he can't he can't put a video out more than once every month or two, right?

Yeah. And I kind of respect that, right? I kind of respect that level of effort. Yeah. And it feels like people, they love the passion of doing it as well. And it's the same for a TikTok. Like, people will put in hours, like, weeks of work to make a 15-second TikTok. I think with a lot of this stuff, though, there is a notion that anyone can make it.

Anyone can do it. Anyone can go viral. And that's true. Anyone can, really. But it's just so rare, you know? Like, you'll get through your whole life and you'll probably never know somebody who's had a viral thing on YouTube. Well, I think this is why so many people who have had success, most people who have had success and are a well-rounded, normal, non-narcissistic asshole usually say, I was just lucky. Right?

You hear it all the time because you see stuff. Oh, I see stuff all the time, which is really good. And I'm like, why is this not got any views? Why is this not popular? Why is this not done well? Right. Especially with games. Like sometimes I'll see an incredible game on Steam and it's got no sales at all or whatever.

You know, it's really sad. There's more to it than just luck, but it is rooted in luck. There is. I mean, yeah, being good helps. Right. But like a lot of the time you can make you can make something brilliant and then it just doesn't it doesn't go anywhere and it's really sad so a lot of really mediocre shit gets very popular because they got lucky or yeah it

got popular yeah right place the right time most people don't know what's going i mean like i was talking about board games and we talk um i was talking to this guy who's making the um he's making a board game for fuck i don't know what it is i can't i can't remember it was um god what is it apex apex legends the board game because that that franchise needs a board game for sure like why what is what why i mean it's probably going to be pretty good because i think people who design this stuff normally know what they're doing but is it just like are they just using the like the the imagery and and all that stuff from apex i think it's tough right it's the same thing with video games sometime when you're when you've got a universe that you're designing for and you have to make the board game feel like the game um it can really be hit and miss sometimes like apparently i never played it but apparently the dark souls board game just wasn't very good um even though it felt like dark souls and i think

that that you know if you're designing a board game um and you've got this kind of requirements to make it feel a certain way a lot of people a lot of people design for feeling first right i read this whole thread yesterday about how this guy's designed this new dnd system and it was like 130 pages of maths and i was like well look you know if that's your thing if you like that like like the battle tech uh miniatures games made a bit of a resurgence but that's one of the crunchiest uh games there is right you've got sheets and sheets of paper every time your mech takes damage you have to fill in a little circle you know it's hugely admin administrative thing and sometimes and if that's what you're in the mood for and that's what you want great and if that's the feel you're going

for like a bureaucratic you know fucking office worker nightmare as you're playing a mech game you know that's you you know if that's the feeling you want to get out of that game great but i think that sometimes that the actual fun of the game is lost. You know, we played the Skyrim adventure game recently that just didn't feel... It felt like you were in Skyrim, but because you didn't have the dragon shouts, and I think apparently it gets fixed in the expansion, as a lot of these board games do. But I think that it's an unnecessary shackle on game design, is having a universe to set it in, right? And also, I think the audience you're trying to set it in right and and also i don't i think like the audience

you're trying to sell it to as well like the apex legends board game that's pushing at a very specific group of people who maybe don't like board games anyway they were talking about how even now you know you ask someone what board games have they played and they say monopoly and uno right they they don't know wingspan you know they don't know tickets to ride you know these games that we consider the land they don't know settlers of katan so here's my question though right when you're making these board games of a video game or you're like if somebody was asking this the other day when i was playing blood bowl would you rather play the board game original and i was like no because in almost every case the computer does

all the working out and all the fucking boring rules but that depends let me do things that are against the rules it'll be a different experience right you can play the video game in your pants in half an hour on your own right like with a beer online with random people playing it in person is texts people around do you want to play this game do you know the rules have you got a gang have you painted them do you know you know are we going to use this version of the rules have you got the principal dlc you know you have to get an office to play it it takes three hours it's a very different experience and then actually doing it and being there moving the stuff around physically and rolling the dice physically is a different experience it's a completely different experience it feels very different sometimes it feels better sometimes it feels worse yeah um and and you know it's it is

completely um separate right i think that that it's like poker in the casino versus poker online you know it feels super super different in the room well i don't know i've never played poker at a casino i played like blackjack and slots and stuff like um you're right though like doing it at home feels like you're doing it because you just desperately want to gamble whereas i feel like going to the casino you can do other stuff while you're there like it's more of an experience yeah that's true like i i like you know like i will go to the casino for fun with like my friends with like you know an amount of money gaming table yeah yeah

with an amount of money in my mind that i'm willing to sort of like spend that evening like and and not go over a sort of thing and and that's pretty fun like there's i used to go to one in um in ottawa well it was like in uh in gatineau and uh they had like uh you know electronic horse racing and and like slots and they had like those fucking um was it keen it was a keno keno yeah yeah they had like all that shit it's just fun you know like it's just whatever like we just go for a couple hours and get some food and stuff and it was fine so like you miss out on all that stuff, right, if you're just gambling at home on your computer. So we're talking about games. That's good, because this email kind of ties into that.

This is from Jasmine, writing in about discovering what makes you passionate in work and trying to do that for a living. I'm a tattoo artist. It's been my dream career since I was a teenager, because Jasmine's obsessed with drawing, and it's a dream job for a lot of people I know and work on. Whilst I absolutely would not trade it for the world, especially as I worked 10 years in HR and recruitment for the oil and gas and mining industries, so I have a greater appreciation for not doing that now, which I can relate to. It sounds like a lot of filing. I found that this job has slightly dampened my love for art. between people wanting a photocopy of another person's tattoo that they've seen on Pinterest, which is a big no in the industry, working every day without a break, not just tattooing,

but responding to messages, drawing designs, et cetera, all in your off time and working your backside off on your art to just have five people like your post on Instagram and never book anything else. Most of the time I'm no longer doing art for me, but to fit in with the job and might work as a tattoo and bring in clients i'm interested to hear your perspectives on how your relationships with games have changed since producing content full-time and if you experience similar feelings so now that we play games for a living do any of us feel that we we have changed the way we think about gaming as something to do in our free time and we're always thinking a bit in work terms we've evolved right um i've thought we talked about this a lot i'll just quickly drop mine in

we're again we're very lucky right in that we i see people who are still playing hearthstone after 10 years and they can't play anything else and you can see the hate of that game in their eyes right they would rather be playing anything else but they know when they do they get no views and in a sense getting views is a little bit of a reward enough in itself in that i'm sure that you know as a tattoo artist you're like fuck i do have to do another anchor or another marie skull it's always skull with, wolf howling at the moon, or crossed roses, or just a skull. Or like a heart with a knife in it and a snake coiled around it. Heart with a knife and a snake. So getting paid is its own reward in a sense.

And you can understand, but I think that we're lucky in that we've, or at least I have, been able to follow my... I mean, I'm not playing Minecraft at the moment, but I think there was a time when we felt pressure to do it and at a certain point we just realized we weren't enjoying it right yeah didn't want to push through well it's a it's a type of content which i think is is more the you you you cannot you can you can you can sort of like narrow your uh your choices down by just doing the same thing right and then you become known as the person who just does that one thing right and that's fine as long as you're doing that thing but it's really hard to branch out i think the issue is that a lot of what we do is that we make content around games you guys more than i do obviously making actual like videos and stuff like that if you don't seem to be having fun people notice that because none of us are particularly good at acting

like we're having fun if we're not enjoying a game we're probably going to say it so if if we're playing a bad game and not enjoying it that's fun but unless it's a brand deal right well of course for money if i play the skyrim adventure game i've pretended to have a good time i don't know i don't think you necessarily need need to pretend to have a good time if you're doing a brand thing it doesn't happen too often right yeah it doesn't happen i mean i whenever i do and i always say the same thing which is if this game sucks i'm gonna say it sucks while i'm playing it and they're like that's fine like that's the only way i don't do it where i'm like hey guys thanks so much for tuning in today's game is raid shadow legends like that's not my

puppeteer at all and again we're super super lucky and honestly like i a lot of what i do if i'm doing a brand deal it's really because um it makes it happen for other people too you know i can right you know someone's like oh paul's like we really need you you know that because a lot of time paul will come to me and say um they want you sips or tom right and i'll be like uh okay can can can i do it can i do it and can i do it with um you know this person and this person right person or whatever right and and that way it'll kind of get other people involved in in the system somehow and we try and like get get every get share the love a bit so in the sense that has to happen it wouldn't happen if i didn't do it right so and i'm not it's not like i'm selfless you know i i will get paid but it to me it doesn't

matter as much as getting a bit of money for some of the smaller creators right or getting them involved um what a good guy you are. You are. Tell me about it. Just a king of men. King of men. None of the best. But I think there is a little element of that in everything you do. But even like the Dota thing we do together, right?

It feels like part of that was, because A, I just wanted an excuse to do something with you. But I also thought, you know... Help the old man out. Is that what you would think? Well, it's like keeps you relevant in the dota community no it doesn't the dota community doesn't watch the scrubcast it's specifically non-dota people that watch help an old man out support this podcast i like that no i mean i don't know it's it there's all there's a there's a it's a whole

multi-complex layered reason why we carry on doing it yeah i still play i still game well i game much more than i i ever did but there's definitely a point where i wasn't gaming as much as i wanted to and that was when i was creating a lot of youtube content because it was very bursty you you would record for a couple of hours but then you would spend double triple that trying to edit a whole bunch of stuff together and posting it and everything. And for me, the big change came when I started streaming more because I found that I was just playing games for a lot longer, which is what I always wanted to do. And now I just play, like, you know, like I'll stream a game all day and sometimes I'll stream again in the evening later on, like, if I come back out to play more of the same game or whatever. Like, I'm kind of bingey with games.

I always have been. Like, if I get into something, I'm into it, you know? Like, maybe that'll last for a week or maybe that'll last for a couple of months or whatever. But, like, I still love getting a game, enjoying it, figuring it out, you know? Like, getting to the point where I'm just done with it. You know what I mean? Like I still go through those motions with games, like after creating, you know, YouTube and Twitch and content for like over 10 years. Like my habits of gaming are just more or less the same.

Like I don't really see gaming as like oh i hate it now because i'm i'm a streamer or whatever i would i would always be looking for reasons to play games like no matter what i would always be trying to get out of work or out of anything just so i could chill out and play some games sort of thing so i don't think i've changed much here's an email from from robert from scotland yeah we're gonna move on we're gonna keep the emails again well i just I don't think I've changed much. Here's an email from Robbie. We're moving on. Robbie from Scotland. We're moving on. Yeah, we're going to move on. We're going to keep the emails going.

Well, I just wanted to say... Let him say. Go on. He's doing you a favor here, Flax. He's helping you out today. Come on. Yeah, it's really kind. Thank you.

Carry on. We talk about this all the time. We're obsessed with this topic, right? We get asked about it a lot. Yeah, we get asked about it. Which is fair enough. You're bound to, right? It is a weird job to to have isn't it but i i think you know it's you just have to be aware of your own headspace and where you are right like if you find yourself getting feeling anxious and you're like oh is it because i'm playing a game and not

streaming it or am i playing a game and thinking about how i would is it because i'm playing a game and not streaming it or am i playing a game and thinking about how i would stream it or am i playing a game it is hard to have your hobby overlap your it is but i think the thing that the the thing that it's hard to compare is like you know in the case of being a tattoo artist would it would you feel differently or would it be different to you if you had a couple of hundred people watching you work every day you know what i mean like that that's that's the thing that we you had a couple of hundred people watching you work every day you know what i mean like that that's that's the thing that we have that a lot of these jobs don't have right like true you could get into something like art related you're really into art and then it

becomes a job or whatever but that might not be the case if you're sort of doing it for an audience right like uh there's that aspect of it that keeps things fresh for us i would say i think it's true for example of a tattoo artist would be that you lose pleasure doing art in your free time because you think you should be doing art for for to sell it or to to sell it or to have a portfolio to sell to clients or you know you should be doing tattoo stuff or you know you're you're or you're not doing it you're not enjoying it for fun anymore because you know you're or or or your your your art isn't popular right that's the other the other really distressing thing when you've you've created something and you've made something and you're not getting any traction on it or it feels like no one's interested and it's it's super

stressful to feel that and and that is often through no fault of your own um you know you know how these things happen it's it's just you've got to just get lucky and i think the way to get lucky is just through persistence right sometimes it's just quantity quantity over quality in that you know sometimes the thing that you threw out there that you thought was going to do shit uh turns out to be really good and i have that process on my art right that i do right and then i shut up and then my art well i'm not i don't have any skill or talent right so i just just do random stuff and then something sometimes sometimes sometimes something looks good and i'm like oh that's pleasant to look at yeah there you go i'm done

i think that's how van gogh worked i want to i just want to say one more thing on this topic that one one thing that's interesting uh especially with the content creation and gaming and all that kind of stuff as well as i would there's there's certain games that i love to play if i know people are watching me play it that i would not play on my own. Like a lot of single player games, for example, like Stardew Valley. Like I liked playing that knowing that I had an audience watching me play it and I would go around and collect everything. And I enjoyed the game because of that or partly because of that. I would not have been as thorough playing that game on my own i would

have lost interest way sooner sort of thing you know what i mean like some sometimes like uh when you're playing a game and you have people watching you um it you're creating like a journey sort of thing that is that is an interesting aspect of playing the game that i don't think i would have a lot of the time just playing a game alone like i wouldn't really play this like it's lost like this this experience could have been shared and would have been enjoyed by a lot of people yeah yeah like something that lewis said to me a long long time ago about why he did all this was that if someone is saying something really really funny and memorable and people are going to enjoy it if he's just shared amongst two or three people that's great but if you share amongst more people it's like gold that's just passing through everybody's hands if it's lost it's just

sort of gone yeah and you think that moment will only be remembered by a few people everybody's got funny stories yeah the more they're shared the more people enjoy it i think that's a net positive like um you know i i played skyrim a couple years ago and i got this mod where you could collect all of like the legendary weapons and display them in this house. It was like a custom house. And you could collect all of this shit that in the game normally wouldn't have a place for. You know what I mean? Even though you could make your own house and stuff, it's hard to display some of this stuff.

But this mod made it so that you had a mansion that just could display all of the kind of achievements that you get in the game again i don't know if i would have done that on my own you know what i mean i wouldn't have been as invested without an audience but knowing that people were watching me like go through all this and enjoying it as well made me like enjoy doing it you know what i mean like it's a weird thing but it's uh it's it is definitely a thing i think it makes sense yeah all right this is from a weird thing but it's uh it's it is definitely a thing i think it makes sense yeah all right this is from robert for scotland after listening to episode 243 the idea of media companies or marketing teams committing idea theft i'm not going to do the

voice really resonated 90 of my job is watching tiktoks and youtube videos and directly copying their ideas with our own content what's even more thiefy is the new trend on tiktok of screenshotting reddit threads and pissed at them over videos of minecraft parkour we are text to speech voice reading the threads aloud so not only is the idea of that i think completely yeah yeah if you watch that was a real trend on YouTube as well. The thing is, like, they're fascinating. These some of these Reddit threads. Yeah. Like I read it. I did one the other day, which was things you thought

were in were magical in Harry Potter, but it turned out that they were just English. Yeah. Yeah. Some of those threads are kind of fun to read through. You do get some good answers and stuff as well. The question is, it's unoriginal, it's essentially ripping other people's content and putting them into TikTok. Robbie doesn't think it's a particularly organic way of working. So do we have any thoughts on the recycling nature of this content?

If you have someone else's minecraft content and somebody else's reddit thread and you just put it in a video is that content creation or is that like essentially content sort of um i don't know you're just putting it in a format that people there's probably some context uh where where that is is okay to do right like if you're if you're if if the overarching thing is like kind of a documentary style video where you're trying to prove a point and then you're pulling in a reddit thread and then some footage to make it that's not right i'd say that i'd say that that's the only time where it would be okay to do that i found the thread treacleart is the thing that most Americans thought was British.

I thought it was magical. I guess because treacle sounds like some weird octopus. Yeah, it sounds like a fairy tale thing, right? And chocolate frogs were already like a thing. So they thought it was like some sort of weird magical animal. That's fair enough. That's fair enough. It's cute, isn't it?

Anyway, if we look at like news, right, news is just half of the time, you know, honestly, like a lot of stuff is light plagiarism, right? So, I mean, but the thing with news is that if you weren't there to experience a newsworthy event, it's fair enough that people explain what happened and tell you about it

the difference here is that all of this content was available already somewhere else and had been seen by other people yeah so what you're doing is just taking someone else's successful thread and successful minecraft video stapling them together and saying i've created content and i think that it is transformative i think the thing is like that certain things are just copied, but everything is like from science to game design to like media, like from tropes in stories, like, you know, they're all just and even like this is why these Hollywood tropes exist, you know, and you almost feel like there's a right way to tell a story, right? Just from everything that's gone before. Let's say that someone took this podcast and put a Minecraft parkour video behind it and uploaded it to YouTube. Would you be like, oh, fair enough? Yeah, I wouldn't be cool with that.

So I think the thing is, there's a difference between that kind of thing and what i was talking about which was advertising just nicking trends off tiktok and because advertising companies are fucking shit taking two or three years to produce a fucking ad if you make a reddit thread who owns the answers well reddit yeah yeah it's it's the person who made the thread doesn't anymore but do the individual posters own their answers or because you posted in his thread do they own it like i guess it's it's it's no man's land right it's just like a conversation it's like sherlock holmes and cinderella or whatever that have gone out of copyright so people can just nick it slap it over their crappy you know some footage in the background which gets the kids interested yeah they love shilla combs the kids it is tiktok is a like a nightmare engine of um like trying to hook into the things that suck like humanity is is drawn to or like we like our attention it's it's so good at hooking

us in to watch it right and and it's just going to keep creating things that are appealing to as many people as possible and like if that happens to be the most appealing thing to a six-year-old is a minecraft parkour with yeah you know parry potter reddit threads over the top of it then that'll be that'll be it you know that'll go viral and then the next thing will happen you know i You know what the current trend is? Have you seen the current trend? Maxwell the Cat. Have you seen this? Oh, yeah, Maxwell.

Yeah, the guy who works for some auto body shop in Florida in America, he became the social media manager, and all he did was take Maxwell the Cat, play a jaunty tune, and make him dance over the background, like he comes up from the background like he's enormous over a picture of the auto body shop. And it went viral for whatever reason. And now all these local councils and businesses and shops are nicking the exact same thing and doing their version of Maxwell the cat dancing behind. So there's Maxwell the cat.

We he was added to Gmod. Yeah. And that's how he got. And we saw it on the day it was uploaded. And we recorded a video with him and he was added to Gmod, right? Gmod, yeah, yeah. And that's how he got, and we saw it on the day it was uploaded, and we recorded a video with him, and he was called Dingus in the video. But we didn't put the video out until like a month later, and he'd obviously gone massively viral in that time. And so it was like, we kind of like, we were like,

I saw that whole thing like happen. And obviously, yeah, it's weird how, it's weird to be there at the start of a meme. I almost feel like I saw a celebrity. Right. Before he was famous. That's funny. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's funny.

I mean, my eldest knows about Maxwell the Cat and she, you know, I mentioned it. She was like, oh yeah, Maxwell the cat, he's from Gmod. And I was like, oh, wow, you know what? He's from Gmod. Yeah. Oh, man. Well, some people had made a few stupid Gmod poops type thing with him. Because, you know, Gmod's still a very funny physics engine.

It is, yeah. To fling stuff around in. Hey, my son recently uh started watching doctor who and he's like uh he feels i think it's one of those shows where he feels like a bit grown up like more grown up watching it you know like uh and so and for that reason he he he likes it and uh and for other reasons too i mean it's probably pretty good i've never really watched it but um he was on uh he was on our ipad the other day, and he's on iPlayer, and he's like, Dad, I just watched the first ever episode of Doctor Who, and it was so good. I was like, wow, really?

Like, they have that on there? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want to see, like, the start of it? There's this one part. And I was like, yeah, okay, sure. And I was expecting to see, like, fucking old-ass Doctor Who. Black and white. It was the one with that guy chris chris

it's like yeah it was he there was like eight doctors before him he thinks that that's the uh the very first is pretty funny i guess that's the first uh like rebooted modern yeah yeah i think it is so yeah it was 2005 so still you know is a lot of time ago for a wee lad. It is actually a decent time. Like double his life in years. I saw Christopher Eccleston the other day. He was at the Old Duke in Bristol. Oh, really?

He lives in Bristol, does he? No, I think he was visiting. Did you go up to him and do your usual? Mr. Eccleston! Mr. Eccleston! Mr. Eccleston! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God!

I can't breathe! I can't breathe! You were the first Doctor Who! All right, this is from... I don't know if this is Ewan or Yuan. I apologize. My name is Ewan or Yuan. I have a question.

What is the best slash weirdest piece of fan mail you've received? The reason I ask is because I work at a mail hub that provides virtual addresses. One of our most interesting clients is a Twitch streamer who uses our virtual address service to receive fan mail and keep their personal home address private. Streamer in question has nearly 2 million followers. Somewhat consequently, they receive some pretty bizarre stuff, including jars of piss, letters confessing love and proposing marriage, drugs drugs and once we even had a sheep skull

delivered for them i'm trying to think what is the weirdest piece of all of those are better than ours yeah i've never gotten any any contraband i've never had any um bodily fluids or clippings or anything like that it's it's usually just like it one thing i i seem to receive a lot of is like old dvds or like old cd-rom uh cd-roms for games you know like somebody will find like the cd-rom version of a game i played well you'll think if you mention it or remember be like oh do you remember mist yeah yeah yeah do you remember mist and then someone will send you their fucking cd of it or something i was like i've got a copy of mist tips watch it i was at which is fine i was yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah or whatever and uh that that topic just you know went went off off the rails but we were talking about movies and stuff and we started talking about the mummy and uh like i'd only seen like

the first mummy and i didn't remember much about it and and jesse was amazed that this was the case and stuff and um and at by the end of the convention i received like 15 copies of the mummy on dvd like like the special collectors like multi-pack and like i i just went home with the library of the mummy and all the sequels and like all this mummy memorabilia i thought that was pretty funny mummyabilia mummy mummyabilia yeah tons tons of mummy tons of copies of the mummy so if anybody wants a copy so what does that mean that would that means that you were too old so you're older yeah i think i was too old at the time to really uh appreciate the mummy like i feel like when when people uh speak fondly of

the movie the mummy they're uh they were around the same age i was when the first teenage mutant ninja turtles movie came out because i remember that being i was like almost pissing my pants i was so excited when i say to you game console what do you think immediately game console just the original nes the original i never had one so for me i think of um the atari 2600 bcs right that i had in you when I say the words game console to you you think of the Atari 2800 BCS sorry I'd say my earliest memories of gaming on a console would have been

the NES playing like Contra and like Zelda and shit like that I think I said this before I never had one my dad refused to get me one got me a Commodore 64 which was because I was a little program. I never had one. My dad refused to get me one. Got me a Commodore 64, because I was a little too programmed. So I had my Commodore 64, which was a great machine, but I had it way past its best by date.

I went to visit him in the States, and he had a fucking NES. And I thought, you miserable bastard. How dare you? They were big time when they came out. Yeah, but how could you get one for yourself and not for your young son what the fuck i was so angry well i remember the the nes was awesome because uh back back then more so than now i suppose you could rent games right so like uh it was always a big deal at the weekend you'd go and rent a couple of games and that would

see you through the the weekend i remember yeah renting contra and i remember my parents playing it for about an hour to make sure it was okay for me to play so i'm sitting there watching them play contra falling into all the holes over and over and i was like mom come on let me do it i can do this i was like i was losing my mind i was like eight years old i think at the time um but yeah it was funny we had like we had one of those big uh CRT TVs that had like the the wooden casing around it you know like yeah with like the door knockers on it and stuff and uh that was in our living room and uh and my dad hooked up the Nintendo to it and that's so you you were I would just be sitting there playing Nintendo in our living room with like

my whole family, just sitting around basically watching me play because it was, it was such a novelty at the time. Why, why were we obsessed with concealing our televisions in the past? I don't know. Putting them in cupboards. I mean,

I'm not being funny. Those things were huge. You're not hiding it. Everyone knows it's the TV. It doesn't need little doors honestly like it's kind of weird to see a room without a tv in it yeah it is i read a yeah i read a reddit thread recently where it said what what is what like from your childhood uh signifies bedtime you know like and people were were guessing how old people were based on

what they were coming back with right like because some people would be like oh it was uh you know like and people were were guessing how old people were based on what they were coming back with right like because some people would be like oh it was uh you know disney family hour would be on and when it was done i had to go to bed or whatever for me it was the muppet show yeah muppet show and mash fucking mash on tv mash mash was on tv i knew like bedtime was imminent like i'd hear like yeah the fucking music and I knew that was like okay like in the next half an hour I'm going to bed like there's for me it was

like either a touch of frost inspector morse or x-files they were the things that were like I'm going to bed now yeah what about what if I say to you like the first online game you played the first game you played on ultima online was the first truly online game that i yeah i

think i was that was mine as well i think ultima online i played um i played like direct dial um multiplayer games while i play i remember me and my friend used to play duke nukem 3d and doom 2 like uh direct connect on mode like the old dial yeah yeah we would do that on land like you set up a daisy chain of uh of cables with your fucking um and we use your cable with the it's had a sort of socket that had to go into the back of the computer and you had to have a null terminator on the end yeah and then getting windows pcs to network back then was a fucking nightmare yeah anybody anybody will remember that it was unbelievable it was so so yeah we used to play we used to play those games direct uh connect and then i remember as well me and my friend before

warcraft 2 came out they had the battle.net edition of warcraft 2 which came out later so when warcraft 2 was first released and uh and had as it couldn't really, you could play it direct connect against a friend, whatever, same idea. But Microsoft used to have a service called the Internet Gaming Zone, which was incredibly a web service. This must have been in like 1994, 1995. And you could create multiplayer lobbies on there me and my friend we used to play warcraft 2 direct connect and we thought we were really good because we only ever played against each other we didn't know that there was other people out there that would be good so we were like when we found out about microsoft internet gaming zone we were like

holy shit we're gonna go on there we'll team up we're gonna clean house right and that was our first exposure to really sweaty internet people these guys had like these fucking they had like bloodlust ogres up within like 30 seconds of the game starting and stuff and it was just like we were we were immediately outclassed like it was just fucking impossible so uh yeah there you go yeah that's great. We got to let's say, I guess we can end on this email since it's, it's, it's a classic. Um, this is from Matthew. Uh, I am from a County in Georgia named Forsyth, which is nice.

I thought Perrion would like that, but that's not even the best part. The town's name is coming. And it's spelled C-U-M-M-I-N-G. And yes, that is spelled correctly. To top that off, we have a Dick's Sporting Goods and a BJ's Wholesale. So my town has a Cumming Dick's and Cumming BJ's. Nice. So there you go.

Thank you, Matthew. Thank you so much, Matthew. What a precious email. That's great. See, Wisconsin, you don't have any of that. I'm just saying. I know we weren't going to talk about Wisconsin. Yeah, that's Georgia, baby.

Yeah, Georgia. Georgia sounds like the kind of place I'd like to visit, actually. Yeah, let's go to Georgia. I want to check it out. Yeah, hell yeah. I'm down. Two more car accident emails. So we need to add in, at the start of the Triforce podcast,

people have urged us to add a warning. If you are driving while listening to this podcast, please be careful. Please be careful. This in at the start of the Triforce podcast, people have urged us to add a warning. If you are driving while listening to this podcast, please be careful. Please be careful. I don't think it's... I would like to think that some of these accidents are caused by people laughing so much that they can't see the road anymore. But the reality is these people are probably falling asleep at the wheel while the podcast is on. I would imagine so.

Upsetting to think about. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you next time. All right I would imagine so. Upsetting to think about. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you next time. All right. Peace. Goodbye. Bye. Goodbye.