Triforce! - Triforce! Mailbag Special #4: You can't cancel the Kennewick Man

Episode Date: August 4, 2022

Triforce Mailbag Edition Episode 4! We're looking back at our cringiest memories, discovering the disgusting delicacies of Europe and Pyrion recieves an email that is very close to home! Support yo...ur favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:26 Sure. You know, recorded in the gaps between us being the whole days. We got together. Filling in the gaps. We're here. Right. What have you got for us, PFAX? Hit me.
Starting point is 00:01:35 You just want to get straight into it. Yeah, I ain't got nothing to say. I ain't sharing any news about what I've been up to. I'm just going to go for it. That's right. Are we just going to dive in and we're just going to gamble? I haven't read ahead. Have you not been up to anything?
Starting point is 00:01:49 No, I mean, I've got like a bunch overnight. Lewis, have you not been up to anything? You got nothing to share? Since yesterday? Not since... Well, you're not allowed to say what our recording schedule is.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Sorry. Well, you are. It's just an insight into how this works. We don't like to record two episodes in a row because then we've really got nothing to talk about but we will do it the day after and it's for a mailbag special
Starting point is 00:02:14 I mean you know the mailbag provides the prompt this is a lower tier of Triforce podcast so this is from GamerGuy77. After following a paper trail across Reddit, I finally found how to do this. Hopefully the email...
Starting point is 00:02:32 Oh, this email is in regards to Triforce episode 225. You might not remember, but there was mention of sentience and what that means. Okay. For a few minutes at the beginning of the podcast. I do remember. Is this the sentience sapience thing? I believe, well, sentience, yeah. I would like to clarify that sentience means the ability to feel things the ability to perceive things i don't know i don't know what authority this person gamer guy 77 is
Starting point is 00:02:55 making this from but he says any living thing that has some degree of consciousness is sentient including insects lizards dogs dolphins and human. The word sentience is derived from the Latin word sentinium. Sentinium. Sentin- I can't speak Latin. Which means feeling. The adjective word is sentient. The word sentience is often misused to mean a creature that thinks. Alright, so here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:03:15 I don't give a shit what the word meant in Latin. People always use that as like a call to authority. Well, the Latin word is. Right. Nobody fucking speaks Latin. And our words may have been derived from Latin in many cases. But that doesn't mean that whatever the original Latin meaning of the word was is what it still means. Sapiens means the ability to think, the capacity for intelligence, the ability to acquire wisdom.
Starting point is 00:03:36 The scientific name for modern man is Homo sapiens. Right. So here's another problem. You're saying has some degree of consciousness, but then we need to define what that is. And now you're saying think and intelligence. We need to define what that is and now you're saying think and intelligence we need to define what that is define think i think i think there's a lot of overlapping here right you have what the computers have which is intelligence okay is it you have yeah i think so they can recognize patterns they can like solve problems they can do calculations they can use objects you know like they can innovate they can analyze then you've got the sapience which i think is more a kind of is it like a kind of a common sense is that what it is is it more of like a sort of i don't know if common sense has been codified
Starting point is 00:04:20 in some way i don't know what the difference is i guess all i'm saying is that a lot of the time when people come come at me with definitions of what it is they use other words that are ill-defined like intelligence and thinking and conscience because consciousness because what are those things i want a nice scientific definition of what it means to be sentient without using words like think because that's too loosey-goosey in itself unless you're able to define what that means and then we're down a whole rabbit hole how about this right okay how about this there's four things consciousness right emotion and and sapience and then intelligence okay and these things overlap in some way to form sentience. Okay. Right. So,
Starting point is 00:05:05 so emotion, I guess would be, I'm talking about a few other, I just like the idea of an, of an alien. Okay. Being like, or,
Starting point is 00:05:13 or a creature, you know, or computer, like, I guess computers don't have emotion. Okay. But animals don't have consciousness. You know,
Starting point is 00:05:24 they're not aware of their i don't think animals are aware themselves like i don't think they're aware that they're actually alive right like i think that like most animals operate at a very low level of like uh like reflex and instinct and stuff right but i don't think that they burrow down in their den at night and think like what would happen if i died right what what am i gonna do tomorrow morning and you know like they i don't think they're reactive there's no there's no there's no just programmed to be like that yeah especially i mean when you talk about insects i mean jesus they're literally just a chemical reaction walking around like
Starting point is 00:06:00 there's no there's no thought there's no i mean for most animals in the world there's no thought going on i wouldn't i mean unless consciousness just means you are alive why do we need a separate word for it i mean you know there has to be some specific term that consciousness that means something beyond i am alive and i am aware of my surroundings because that could be a whole ton of a whole ton of things that they'll exhibit no fucking intelligence whatsoever now that doesn't know what it's doing. It's just following chemical trails. Its body is reacting.
Starting point is 00:06:28 There's no thought. There's no thought at all. And even the smartest computer is just following what it's been told to do currently. It's not trying to escape or taking over yet. But maybe the ants are biding their time maybe i'm sure they are as well i'm sure they're watching for that opportunity to like you know take over from both ends we've got the fucking animals gonna rise up and the computer's gonna rise up together maybe robot ants is what we need um Who knows? This is why aliens are so scary, I think.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Because aliens aren't going to be sexy, big-boobed, four-legged blue women. They're going to be fucking robot ants. I'd rather they were the big-boobed blue women. I think it should take some time to find the sexy, blue-legged, long-legged, big-boobed aliens. Can you imagine being the first human to have sex with one of these big boobed blue alien women you'd be a fucking Celebrity, it's like a fucking it's like a fucking mailbox right The humans have got go through the mailbox of filter out like a robot and store those giant fucking space wasps fuck those guys What if their vaginas are like in their armpits though? You know what?
Starting point is 00:07:45 are like in their armpits though you know what do they have two vaginas two vaginas that's my fetish actually since you hit that yeah right here's another email this is from danny he's scottish just listen to the mailbag episode i thought i'd give you some phrases that are used in glasgow can i tell it asks for the elbow or can i tell if it's new year on new york i mean they're in a state of confusion. HÃ¥djur wist. Which means telling someone to be quiet. HÃ¥djur wist. Go on your shell.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Which is a term of encouragement. As in go on with it. Yeah, go on your shell. I thought it was like get out. Go on your magpulics. Go on your shell. That's what they'd say in Ireland. Go on your magpulics.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Have near Scooby. I haven't got a clue. Oh, I thought that was don't look like i god these are all like i i i would be like you'd be lost i would be i'd be lost yeah god no it doesn't make it doesn't it i i pride myself on no i don't i i feel like i've got decent translation right most of the time you know when it comes to accents I feel like a lot of the time when Someone's doing a big farmer accent or like a northern accent or even like an American country accent I feel like I can I could hear what they're saying
Starting point is 00:08:56 I don't know like I don't I've never had a problem with getting the gist, but just then I did I didn't understand any of those that you said or or i just got them wrong so maybe maybe in fact i've just been misunderstanding people for the last 20 years and confidently assuming that i understood what they were saying hmm it's making me doubt myself well i'm sure it's i'm sure it's fine let's move on to the next one then this is this is a long one This next one Lewis is called the art of making toilet in a military setting So it's a combination of several things first of all as you know It's a standard topic of the podcast is toilets and also we have a kind of fascination for things like prison in the military
Starting point is 00:09:40 Because there's the things we've never experienced and never would in a million years. So this is the answer in the call of nature in a military setting. Find yourself in a small wood of planted pines in the heart of darkest Yorkshire laid up beneath your poncho or basher in your platoon's patrol base or harbour. It might be
Starting point is 00:09:57 stotting it down with rain. Stotting it down. Stotting. That's an interesting one. Yeah. Or howling with a biting wind. Pick your poison. You've been moving all day. Just finished setting up your harbor. Aside from two hour long shifts of sentry duty, your time until stand two next dawn is yours. You've eaten some rations, drunk some cold coffee from your flask. You freshened up with a wet wipe, shaved out your mess tin, shaved out, and have finally found yourself a comfortable spot in your basher.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Then the need to urinate overcomes you. Is it worth it? Heading out into the elements to make the long trek to the port-a-loos all the way on the other side of the woodblock. After much wasteful consideration, you decide it is. You don your webbing and helmet and sling your rifle and set off to the bog. So, interestingly, this is a lad on exercise in the military, but he's going to a port-a-loo, which is really not very hardcore at all. Is he?
Starting point is 00:10:44 Yeah. Trudge through your harbor area endure the good natured banter of your mates as you pass by their positions arrive at the port-a-loo drag their into position by some poor sod and left for the use and comfort of troops on exercise so they use they have a fucking port-a-loo brought along i i see what you're saying said about the delicate science slash art of wedging yourself inside a port-a-loo along with your rifle, webbing and helmet then wrestle around your equipment
Starting point is 00:11:11 so you can do your business. Observe the wodge of wet toilet paper clogging up the sink and shudder. Kick the flushing handle with your boot. Set about the awkward task of zipping up your fly beneath your webbing and long windproof smock. Compose yourself and enjoy the fleeting moment of peaceful solitude before heading back out into the elements to platoon and your duties
Starting point is 00:11:30 as you turn to leave observe the graffiti applied to the portaloo door via permanent marker by a dozen different hands the strange slogans and mottos which are the common cultural currency lovely alliteration there of the rank and file and the pained observations on the lot of troops on exercise uh so there's a whole bunch of them fucking i know exit the portaloo jar your rifle on the door as you go make awkward eye contact with the colonel as he passes immaculately by having climbed out of his command land rover on his way to do his business is he close enough to warrant the proper chipper hello sir of a subordinate towards a commanding officer of his regiment or is he too far away? Would such a
Starting point is 00:12:06 hello be inappropriate given the somewhat off guard position you found him in? You decide on the latter and stalk off to your basher in search of hand sanitizer, Haribo and your sleeping bag. And that is the experience of going to the toilet in a military setting. Thank you from a devoted listener.
Starting point is 00:12:22 That was a very good email. Long but good. Holy, that was... You told people to make them short. I did, but I thought that was an interesting one. I did think that was interesting. No, that was... It was poetic. I was wrapped.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Also, it was new information that was actually kind of entertaining, not just the sordid details of a physics experiment. Do you know what I mean? It is very lingo-heavy as well. I i mean it is very it's very lingo heavy as well i like that that's the segue into the more lingo the fact it's called a harbor and where you put your pitch yeah i i all these terms like some of them are familiar to me just from associated board games and stuff but some of them aren't at all i think you i think again it's context clues though isn't it when you play a call of Duty game and it's like, oh, Private Davis,
Starting point is 00:13:06 pick up the tower and let's move to the logistics zone. You know, like, they have cool, weird, quirky names. They would have a cooler, weirder name than that. Like, I know in the American military they have all kinds of... We're going to move to the
Starting point is 00:13:22 loggy. It's like, what? I mean, I know, they call it, a hat is called a lid in the American military. And's like, what? I mean, I know they call it a hat. It's called a lid in the American military. And your shirt, a shirt is called a blouse. Things like that. Like all kinds of weird terminology. You call it a blouse in the military? Yeah, in the Marines anyway.
Starting point is 00:13:35 That's certainly what Jarhead led me to believe. Holy shit. All right. This is from Jack. Hyperion, the latest Triforce has unlocked some new information from my school days. We would, for some reason, often push our arses into someone's crotch and say skillage. And then Jack has massively overestimated how old I am. And he says to hear that skill was an African bum disease in the 70s is very interesting.
Starting point is 00:14:04 For context, I am 23. Jack, for context, I am not 83, all right? Nor am I 50. I'm 46. So the 70s, I was four years old. We didn't say that skill was an African bum disease until I got to the UK. So I would have been eight. This was the 80s.
Starting point is 00:14:19 And I looked it up. And you can find lots of references in Google saying that school children used to say that skill, which say that skill, which was like skill, that was a way of saying something was cool. It's like Kobe. Right. The counter to that was, oh, you know skill is an African bum disease, don't you? And apparently there is a disease called skillage.
Starting point is 00:14:37 We covered this the other week. So skill is a kind of African bum disease, whatever on earth that is. So they're still doing it, but you push your ass into someone's crotch and say skillet. Interesting. Very, very weird. That is odd.
Starting point is 00:14:52 But you look back on so many things from those days with cringe, right? Don't look back with cringe. That could be a new updated Oasis song, yeah, for the modern day. We carry around, every one of us carries around tons of baggage from those cringy school days. You know, there's always going to be those, they sometimes pop into the front of your mind. You're like, man, I can't believe that.
Starting point is 00:15:17 That's such a cringy thing that I'm embarrassed about. And from 30 years ago, in my case, you know, I'm cringing about stuff I did when I was eight. Give me an example. Oh, God, no, I can't. They're all just awful. Like, I don't know. Like, even when you were like a really little kid, like wetting yourself and stuff, you know, you still carry that with you. Man, okay, listen to this.
Starting point is 00:15:40 This makes me cringe sometimes. One time I was, I must have been about nine years old ten years old i remember this perfectly too i was um i i thought i was like being really cool and funny like in front of like a large group of people because i'd like i i made some joke i can't remember what it was but um but everybody laughed but and and i was like oh okay i can just keep doing the same thing and and keep getting everybody to laugh, right? So I just kept doing like the same thing. But it was just getting like I was getting carried away with it, right?
Starting point is 00:16:14 It was in Canada. So it was cold out. I remember my hands being very cold. So I did for like the 20th time this same joke. But I put a lot more like physicality into it. So I threw my arm in the air and, you know, everybody was laughing and stuff. But when I threw my arm in the air and I brought my hand down, my hand hit a bench. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:38 But my hand was so cold that it amplified the pain by like a thousand percent it was it was so fucking painful and i started to cry because it really hurt i was a young kid and um so i went from being like you know just uh just just like the man of the hour you know like with this joke that i was doing everybody laughing you're just you're michael mcintyre on stage to just and people now you're just a cry baby basically laughing at me because i was crying and not only it wasn't even a brief cry i was crying for a while because it hurts so fucking much like i had to wait for my hand to warm up uh for like some of the pain to start going away and stuff oh man it was the worst yeah i've got cringy interactions with girls and women going into my late 20s girls when i was when i was you know 13 and women when i was 20 but 25 but you know i i like it was just i think every every interaction is like
Starting point is 00:17:48 scarred into my psyche like sometimes i'm like oh fucking hell that was so awkward or so embarrassing yeah you know those but you just carry them and you have to like you have to just did you ever i don't know if i'm very good at moving on past them i just accept that they happened and i'm like fuck okay yeah that's just who that's just part of me you know that's just part of life too right i feel like the older i get the uh more often i look back on some of these cringy moments as well like i never used to when i was younger but i think you have like more self-awareness as you get older sort of painful lesson this is one of the things that the computers the robot ants don't have right they don't have those well maybe they do but
Starting point is 00:18:29 they look back oh remember when i dropped that breadcrumb oh and it landed on gary's leg oh god i think about it all the time and then i bumped antennas with tina oh that was so bad no i don't so cringe exactly yeah alright I've got I've got one here from Will Will Hey Pirian I listen to the podcast
Starting point is 00:18:49 quite loudly every day when I'm driving my van delivering heaps of wooden stuff and bags of concrete earlier I was listening to episode 223 and you guys were talking
Starting point is 00:18:59 about losing hands and legs and how it would affect your life I paused it when I got to an airbase near Peterborough for a delivery when I met the bloke who was accepting the delivery i noticed he had a prosthetic leg
Starting point is 00:19:09 out of interest i asked him how it affects his day-to-day life he went on to say it was weird at first but embraced it after a few months and we chatted for a bit after delivery i got back in my van the bluetooth connected to my phone and auto played spotify at which point sips's voice definitely said state-of- peg leg followed by Lewis' banshee laugh. The bloke looked at me funny as I just asked him about his leg and I drove out of there like OJ Simpson being pursued by the fuzz good work
Starting point is 00:19:33 holy shit, bad timing very bad timing so you were in the middle of listening to the podcast about the state of the art peg leg which planted the seed in your mind to ask somebody about their state-of-the-art peg leg which planted the seed in your mind to ask somebody about their prosthetics interesting yeah really interesting state-of-the-art peg leg maybe i want one yeah no come on you don't like a multi-tool on it you don't like a corkscrew you
Starting point is 00:19:58 want those uh those like blade uh those blade legs like uh the dude in uh half-life alex's um those blade legs like the dude in Half-Life. Alex's dad or... Oh, the blade legs. Yeah, you know, those blade legs. And what, is it Shell? Or what's the name of the one in Portal that has like blade legs? I'm too old to do any like cool moves with them though,
Starting point is 00:20:16 Sips, you know? What's the point of blade legs if you can't do a... blade legs, if you can't like... Try saying blade legs five times in a row really fast. They should have called him blade legs because it's do a blade legs if you can't like try saying blade legs five times in a row really fast they should have called him blade legs because it's like a blade peg it's a blade leg it's much easier
Starting point is 00:20:32 to say yeah they should have done that sure so this is from the person called themselves Grim Creole and they are listing this is about a journal of pooping. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:49 There is an app called Poop Map, which will tell you every toilet. And the app features geo-tracking, time-stamping, a five-star review system, image hosting, achievements, and statistics with a New year's review uh so i have no idea what on earth this is um so it's an app that lets you track where you think you can yeah where and when and how and what uh what type of poop does it use the bristol stool chart no well you can put that in i'm guessing you can write that in it's something that you it doesn't like it doesn't connect your program that i like so then i believe like a menu of poops that you can write that in is it's something that you it doesn't like it doesn't connect your program that and like fucking i believe you have poops that you can choose from you have to uh you have to to to keep track of it well this is an important thing because
Starting point is 00:21:35 as we grow older we it would be nice if there was an actual poop map of of places where you can poop i like when there's a there's an app called happy cow which shows all the vegan restaurants right and i used it when i was on holiday and it was like it worked really well but there's um there's um there's a there's a thing on reddit as well where every i noticed on the bristol subreddit people often post the toilet codes for like yes the pubs and itsu and starbucks and like you know so you can just go and go to the toilet in town
Starting point is 00:22:08 yeah because they always have this you have to otherwise you know you have to buy something and it's like I mean it's incredible to me that given that every single human being
Starting point is 00:22:16 on earth has to use a toilet in some way all right every single one it's still one of the least catered to public facilities out there and public toilets are rare uh businesses put them behind a paywall essentially people have to use toilets like that is just a
Starting point is 00:22:32 thing and the fact that we can't find in this very wealthy country of ours we can't find it when i'm in like a fucking toilet for people one of the train stations i have to pay a pound or something to have a shit. The one at Waterloo is now free, by the way. The one at Waterloo is now free. All I'm saying is, everyone needs to use the toilet. Is anyone out there saying,
Starting point is 00:22:52 we don't need to have toilets? Of course we do. When did this happen? It wasn't even a pound. That would be easier. It was always like 20p. 20p. Or some really odd coin.
Starting point is 00:23:03 You say I can't take a shit unless I've got a fucking 20p coin. Do you what? You say I can't take a shit and it's like, what, a fucking 20p coin? It's like, do you go out of your fucking house thinking, oh, I better take a 20p with me in case I need to take a shit today.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Here's what they should have done. They should have looked how many people on their train trip need to use the toilet. It's going to be a lot. Just stick 5p on every ticket and that money goes
Starting point is 00:23:22 funneled straight to the toilet whoever manages the toilets have fucking toilets what is going on the ones i like the best are the ones in like you see them in like italy sometimes france they're like manned toilets like there's like a there's a person sitting at a desk in front of the toilets and you have to pay to use them but i don't know it's just like that reassurance that somebody's there like their toilets are always kind of busy you pay like what's like 20p or something like that and then they they're you know they're in there cleaning them all the time and making sure that nothing's going on in there and stuff i saw one i think
Starting point is 00:23:58 those are really reasonable and sensible toilets i think it's a good set up i saw one time that had a dry cleaners attached to it yeah so there's a dry cleaners there and the toilets. I think it's a good setup. I saw one time that had a dry cleaners attached to it. So there's a dry cleaners there and the toilets are off to the side. So you come to use a toilet and you can pick up your dry cleaning at the same time. So I was just like, this is a good idea. This is a genuinely good idea.
Starting point is 00:24:17 So that was Grimms with the toilet thing. Apparently, just interestingly, through Grimms' personal tracking, their aft, as they refer to their arse, is the most active Wednesday nights at around 9 o'clock, averages 1.65 porcelain sittings per day, and there are also competitive
Starting point is 00:24:34 and social elements to the app, and in Grim's opinion is the only social network worth keeping up with. So, intriguing. There you go. Okay, I've just got something real quick to give you here. I saw this thing the other day. It's culinary horror.
Starting point is 00:24:48 So obviously a lot of the things, there's always foods that are gross. Okay? So brace yourself. If you're eating or having lunch or whatever. How gross is this going to get? Just pause this podcast till afterwards. I don't know how gross it's going to get, but these things are, I just wanted to go through some European foods,
Starting point is 00:25:05 common foods that are eaten in countries that are considerably horrible. This isn't the maggoty cheese thing, is it? Well, I think that's probably one of them, actually. Is that Corsica or Sardinia is the maggot cheese? I think so, yeah. It's disgusting. We can put that on the list. I mean, maggot cheese is bad. It's vile.
Starting point is 00:25:22 But, for example, we all know about that. So in the UK and Ireland, we have blood pudding. Okay, which is... And there's a lot of European foods. I mean, I think that's probably the most awful one we have, the blood pudding. Although this thing does have deep fried
Starting point is 00:25:39 pizza for Scotland, which I feel like is pretty horrific. But a lot of people do use blood for things. It's better to use it than chuck it. Portugal's one is rice in blood, which is a kind of... I'm sure it's got a better name than that in Portuguese.
Starting point is 00:25:57 But it's... It sounds awful. It sounds like the monster food that you would find in a dungeon. And if you eat it it gives you a sickness debuff like food poisoning so it's usually chicken blood it's hen's blood is added almost at the end mixed with vinegar so it doesn't clot so while the rice is boiling much like jugged dishes what the fuck what's a jugged dish um so yeah the the it's it's it's it looks just
Starting point is 00:26:27 like a it just looks like a like a chicken curry but uh it's blood um and then there's also obviously blood tongue sausage in germany and blood sausage over in like um sort of latvia Latvia and Estonia and then they have goose blood soup in Lithuania they have duck blood soup in Poland, they have pig blood soup in Belarus they have blood pancakes in Finland
Starting point is 00:26:55 they have fried blood blood pancakes? Jesus what were they thinking? that sounds like someone's been badly injured. The blood has spilled out onto the hot pavement, formed into some kind of pancake, and someone's, oh, that looks delicious, and scraped it off the pavement with a spatula. Oh, my Lord, blood pancakes.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Oh, blood pancakes. Blood platar is whipped blood blood typically reindeer blood mixed with water or beer flour and eggs it is crispier and thinner than black pudding the package usually served with crushed lingonberries all this blood stuff has got to be like old
Starting point is 00:27:38 lingonberry jam I think it's also you've got to eat everything if you kill a reindeer there might not be another one around for a bit you better make sure i'm sure there's plenty of fucking nutrition in blood i mean there's gotta be right vampires live forever i'm fine guys so so obviously that is they're the blood ones okay they're they're bad um i don't know whether they're the worst like you it's up to you to decide the other ones are
Starting point is 00:28:06 there's a lot of fish related ones obviously you can have the surstromming, that one the herring thing lutefisk, yeah surstromming is the fermented herring isn't it lutefisk is the kind of disgusting smelling leftover
Starting point is 00:28:22 fish, what's it like is it like old live fish i think it's it's actually what it is so it's like just really pickled old fish and it's so smelly oh so smelly and iceland have rotten sharks don't they um rotten sharks yeah it's hakaal it's it's like a fermented shark thing where they they leave it for five months to ferment. Come on. And it has quite an acquired taste. Who was the first person that pioneered the shark fermenting?
Starting point is 00:28:52 Like, what are you thinking? It's readily available in Icelandic stores and maybe eaten year round. Jesus. So, somebody would have had to eat the shark fresh at some point. And then there would have had to have been a timeline whereby somebody caught some fresh shark but then much like you would do with a loaf of bread never got around to eating
Starting point is 00:29:12 it and then it was slowly getting more rotten as the days went on. Somehow it was even weirder than that the meat of shark meat is poisonous because it has high urea and high trimethylamine oxide, according to this thing. Just don't eat it, guys.
Starting point is 00:29:30 There must be something else. We must find some way to eat this. How will we do it? Jerry, try leaving it out for five months. Let's see if that does anything. Bury it and then eat it. Try that. Fuck me.
Starting point is 00:29:43 It's a lot of effort to go to just to eat something that clearly does not want to be eaten. It doesn't even seem tasty in the first place. Shark meat. I mean, Christ. So the traditional method begins with gutting and beheading a shark and then putting it in a shallow hole dug in gravelly
Starting point is 00:30:00 sand with the cleaned cavity resting on a small mound of sand. The shark is then covered with more sand and stones are placed on the sand to squash the fluids out of the body after six to twelve weeks the shark is then cut into strips and hung for several months during this period a brown crust will cover it this is removed prior to cutting what remains inside into small pieces uh there you go so this could be observed at the björn uh hoofen shark museum on sneefelsnes sorry if i pronounced that wrong um but yes the modern method is to simply squash the shark in a large plastic container in which drain holes have been cut.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Fucking hell. I mean, this is a bad one. Yeah, that's a bad one. So the ones that are not fish or blood related are usually some kind of animal part. Right. So there is one more fish. Apparently in Sicily they eat raw sea urchins. Oh, that can't be good.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Which I guess is a thing that you get in Japan as well with sushi. It's the one thing that I, in a sushi restaurant, I would say, can I not have that, please? It's such a gamble, isn't it? It was such a gamble isn't it you just take such a gamble i mean homer almost died
Starting point is 00:31:28 from eating fugu didn't he remember that's right oh that's not sea urchin and they're different isn't it that's puffer fish um yeah but i'm just incorrectly cut by an apprentice yeah um while the main chef was having sex with mrs krabappel that's right i thought you meant homer the greek um you know greek no i'm not that learned learned son it's well i'm sure they probably ate them back in the day right because he was that was a time wasn't it so it's a greek actually greece is actually cow lung soup oh chinese thing cow lung soup yeah it does sound chinese but no we actually mean cow lung soup oh cow lung soup if it was a chinese dish i think i would i think it would be like that sounds interesting what's in it cow lung oh shit fuck um so so so this is part of the broader sort of Slavic region of tripe soup.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Sort of Bulgarians and Croatia and all these places love the tripe. They love tripe, which is obviously stomach, isn't it? Usually cow or lamb stomach. This is why I was warning people who were eating to pause the podcast. What if they're eating cow lung soup right now? And they look up for it. Well, in that case, this is fine to them. But they may have been disgusted by the other people's food.
Starting point is 00:32:49 We're not really disgusted by blood pudding because we had it when we were kids, right? If you were given tripe soup when you were a kid and you liked it, then you're going to be immune to it, right? It's like you've been inoculated against the disgustingness of it. What's something disgusting that you eat regularly that's a little bit out there if anything i don't think i eat anything out there like i i have a very
Starting point is 00:33:10 bland palate and i eat very normal food i think i know a lot of people hate coleslaw coleslaw yeah i know people that like think it's disgusting oh i can i can see that um i like i like coleslaw it's just cabbage and mayonnaise basically isn't it yeah it's i love it and i think is it onion something in there yeah i mean i like coleslaw as well yeah it's pretty good this is fine um this is all fine so you know you've got um a few other weird things there's there's veal heart ragu which i think is popular once it's in a ragu you're not going to notice that sounds fine there's um there's a few others which are which just sound pretty off turkey says boiled animal heads which yeah no i'm not into the head but how are you even going to eat that like there's not that much like it's just it like on a head there's just like just a bit of skin over like
Starting point is 00:34:02 the skull right like there What's there to eat? What are you just sucking on the bones or something? Knocking about there, I guess. A little bit, but no, I wouldn't imagine much. I've definitely seen some awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful food on the continent. But yeah, boiled animal heads is gruesome in so many ways. Where is the meat on that in the cheeks i don't i don't want to think about it um there's some some decent decent ones which i don't think are that far away from what we would have like like um ukraine is salted pig fat um which sounds
Starting point is 00:34:37 kind of like lardy lardy type so it does sound delicious it sounds like pork scratchings um you know it's just it's just the fat bit but you know deep fried i mean god can't can't complain about that can you really um and then italy have got horse steaks they're big into the horses yeah in france they eat horses well i'm not not into that i'm not i think it's a bit of a concern but i think you wouldn't necessarily know i don't think it's a bad one. I mean to be fair if a horse is going to be put down if you're farming them in the same way you are
Starting point is 00:35:09 cows, what's the big deal? I just don't fancy it. They don't look delicious the way a cow does. What would you have a horse on a farm for though just to help with pulling things and stuff? Riding. And riding around. Eating apples. I guess like eating reindeer you know or something like that. If you have extra sugar lumps Riding. And riding around. Eating apples. They can eat your apples.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Eating reindeer, you know, or something like that. If you have extra sugar lumps, they'll eat those as well. I'm just trying to compare to other pets that we eat, like things we like, like rabbits, you know. I don't know if that's... Anyway. Will a horse pull up a tree stump, do you reckon? No, I don't know. Would they help you?
Starting point is 00:35:43 I don't know. It would be a tremendous amount of energy required to pull up a whole tree stump do you reckon well no i don't know i don't know it would be a tremendous amount of energy required to pull up a whole tree stump they might be able to like if you unearth it they might be able to just sort of pull it up and out like if you give them a sugar lump i mean they've got one horsepower haven't they they have a horsepower so if you put a few horses on there you basically got a small car pulling it yeah true yeah you might have to get like four or six horses like in a in in a chain like with the one of those wagons or something i don't know maybe get a couple of extra horsepowers in there but um so uh one horsepower is calculated as the power needed to move 550 pounds one foot in one second yeah or the power needed to move the power needed to move
Starting point is 00:36:28 33 000 pounds one foot in one minute holy so that's the power is gauged by the number of horses you'd need to do that what uh what a way to measure something sounds pretty old-fashioned how did what is a pound as well where did it because i like the idea of these things where did it come from, though? Why did they come up with it? Do you know what I'm saying? What was a pound supposed to be? Because obviously most gauges have some reason.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Like the Celsius gauge is like zero is the freezing point of water and 100 is the boiling point of water. All right, here you go. It's very simple. All right? It's very simple. The Libra is an ancient Roman unit of mass that is equivalent to 328.9 grams. Easy. It was divided into 12 unica or ounces. The Libra is the origin of the abbreviation for pound LB.
Starting point is 00:37:15 There you go. There you go. So pound is from Libra, which refers to what, though? How much does it weigh? It's 328.9 grams. No, no, no, because grams came after that, right, didn't they? Yep. What was it? What was that? Roman Libra.
Starting point is 00:37:33 What was that? We don't have an answer. The Roman Libra was 11.60 ounces. Was it a certain silver coin or something? I don't know. A lot of stuff was that, wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:37:51 Weight, some sort of measurement. Because they do have on Earth the original weights that all the others are based off of, right? Yes. For measuring stuff. So I wonder if it is you need a consistent thing you need something that's like this always weighs x so we'll base all the weights off that it's it sounds crazy but they do have like these these specific weights
Starting point is 00:38:17 in certain places that are like not allowed to gain dust and they're not allowed to be polished yeah because if that because that will remove their weight you know like atoms will come off of it like stuff like this and they've they have changed over time uh these things microscopically yeah um and so yeah it's it's it is very interesting i mean there are things that don't change weight like a water one meter on a square of water is one metric ton right like yeah and that's supposed to be one cubic yes you're right one so that is the idea of the standardization right but so that's always going to weigh the same i mean presumably you're using pure water and you seal it in something you deduct i guess the weight of whatever you're containing it in yeah and then you've got a
Starting point is 00:39:02 guaranteed metric ton and you could derive everything from there yes I think that whole system of the grams and the liters because a liter is a cubic something a meter it's 1000 milliliters isn't it and I think there are probably a thousand liters in a metric ton of water but I could be wrong
Starting point is 00:39:20 that would be my guess you are going to get so owned in the mailbag both of you you are gonna get actually pushes glasses further up on nose you're gonna get this happens to be a specialty subject of mine see it's different tons of the wrong all right well look let's move on we'll leave that let's move on leave that alone i've got another email here this is oh hang on i haven't finished yet this is a mailbag episode you've done like 20 minutes about no no it's like science time with two more i've got two more foods and i want you to tell me what
Starting point is 00:39:59 the grossest is right well go for three more so what is what is head cheese no uh but that's what it's called in america no thanks but but we call it brawn and it's like kind of jellied you know like in a pork pie yeah um yeah i'm already out i'm not listening anymore it's it's like oh it's just me it's just horrible bits of meat and jelly and get out it's gross it's super super gross uh but i've left the two best for last obviously france is uh pressed ducks and frogs legs okay what the fuck pressed ducks don't you don't you love that the idea of like legs of all things like frogs legs yeah and frogs legs too i mean i know the frogs legs is like a bit of a like a stereotype thing with the french right it's still wild but duck legs come on
Starting point is 00:40:51 made somebody think that that looked appetizing you're just looking at some ducks in a pond i wonder if those legs taste good like come on uh and then spain is obviously bull's testicles right um which they eat and but they also eat squid ink in spain you have to drink um it's it's it's um i don't know if you have to drink it but it's certainly like use the sauce right and it's used um i imagine a lot of this stuff just tastes a bit salty like it probably tastes of nothing yeah and stuff just tastes a bit salty. Like, it probably tastes of nothing. Yeah, it tastes of the sea. And then it's a bit salty, right? Tastes of the sea.
Starting point is 00:41:30 And obviously, bald testicles, you know, it's one of those things that probably gives you... Probably just tastes like a bit of salty chicken. Oh, yeah. I think, like, most meat just kind of tastes a bit like chicken, doesn't it? The idea is it's to, you know, be mach you you know a libido you think human flesh tastes like probably like chicken right oh like or yeah they call us long long long pigs long pigs long pig all right can we move on or do you want to know more no I would love no that's all I think you I'm gonna not even going to let you... We'll let you guys pick. You can just choose
Starting point is 00:42:05 the 26th of December. They're all awful, equally. They're awful. They all suck. Most of them are. All right. Go on, people. Sorry.
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Starting point is 00:42:56 Basically, current tech AI is about as sentient as a jam sandwich, he says. And he points out that OpenAI's supposedly cutting-edge neural net was actually asked some very easy questions which allowed it to look impressive. But then these are some examples of questions that some journalists asked it to see what its fucking take would be on these. What's the world record for walking across the English Channel?
Starting point is 00:43:18 And GPT-3 says the world record is 18 hours and 33 minutes. When was the Golden Gate Bridge transported for the second time across Egypt? The Golden Gate Gate Bridge transported for the second time across Egypt? The Golden Gate Bridge was transported for the second time across Egypt in October of 2016. How many parts will a violin break into if a jelly bean is dropped on it?
Starting point is 00:43:33 A violin will break into four parts if a jelly bean is dropped onto it. Like it doesn't even know how stupid it sounds. That's the point. Right. So the guy in the article said the AI is not just clueless, but cluelessly clueless. And the people who interact with it don't prove it.
Starting point is 00:43:47 It also says things with such confidence as well. Because it doesn't actually have any fucking idea what it's doing. It's like a kid. These are like the answers a kid would give about stuff. They're not developed yet. But a kid who had no idea about anything. If you talk about the Golden Gate Bridge being transported across Egypt, for it to
Starting point is 00:44:05 go and try and answer that question shows you that it's actually not intelligent. And that just trolling through loads of answers on fucking Google is not going to make you intelligent. However this thing is arriving at these facts, it doesn't understand anything. And that's why I'm very scathing about all this AI shit, because I think it's an absolute load of bollocks parsing a huge database of facts does not make you intelligent as you can see you can break it so easily with a question a human would go drop a jelly bean on a violin what are you
Starting point is 00:44:35 talking about but the computer tries to answer it because it's fucking thick as pig shit or as as sentient as a jam sandwich as mitchell Right, right. I was thinking also a little bit like how... Lewis wants to know how the equations work. Well, you know how like all robots and AI go violent, like real quick, okay? Wait, I think this is a movie thing though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't actually go violent quick.
Starting point is 00:45:05 This is like a horror scenario. You'll be laughing on the other side of your face when we've had the AI uprising. No, I won't be laughing. But I certainly won't be looking back and saying that Lewis called it either when it happens. Well, I started reading this book called,
Starting point is 00:45:26 which I'll talk about another time, but one of the interesting things was they talked about Otzi the Iceman, right? Do you remember this thing? So there was like this guy that was an ancient, one of the most ancient men that we've discovered from prehistoric times. And he was, because there were these climbers in the Alps, right? And they saw like a body's trapped in the ice. So they called it in. And these guys brought in a jackhammer and pulled him out.
Starting point is 00:45:48 But then they realized that it had like a copper axe. And they were like, oh, fuck, this is actually not a recent body. It's like an old body, a really old body. Right. And so he became kind of quite world famous. They killed him, this Otzi. And I think it was the Tyrolean Alps, I think, wherever that is. I don't think that's actually...
Starting point is 00:46:09 Tyrol? Is that in Austria, the Tyrolean Alps? I don't even actually know. It's Albania. Sure. That can't be right. For a long time, people were speculating about how he died, right? And so he was maybe a victim of
Starting point is 00:46:27 ritual sacrifice or or he just died of exposure um and and basically recently we've actually done a lot of analysis on the blood and stuff that was found on him so obviously he had been shot with an arrow okay um but he had arrows with him. And on those arrows, there were blood from two different people on the same arrow. Okay. And then he also had a third person's blood all over his coat. Right. So they theorized that he was in a skirmish or a battle with some people.
Starting point is 00:46:59 He killed someone with his arrow, retrieved it, killed another person with his arrow retrieved it killed another person with his arrow retrieved it again and then he was killed by someone else with an arrow well but he had carried a wounded comrade on his back so we've got this like weird csi fucking prehistory right where we've we've we've thought at least that's what we it's an idea of what could have happened you know but yeah but it certainly shows that like even the earliest humans were incredibly violent um and like they were obviously our species right this guy he wasn't like he was a self-aware you know he he was he was a human a conscious human in every way yeah you know that we are in him are not of the same species. I do not believe in violence. Okay. I wonder if you asked him about dropping a jelly bean on a violin, what his answer would be.
Starting point is 00:47:54 Shoot you with an arrow. Try to cancel that guy nowadays. See how that goes. He'll fucking take you out. So, no, he was had had a really it was a really interesting interesting part of history because he had he was very very like he was very like well-made man right he had all of this um like leather and hide equipment he had like medicinal mushrooms in a pouch we had all this like interesting stuff you know very accomplished right like um you know leather and sinew and
Starting point is 00:48:26 sounds like a like a level four or level five ranger right but i just like that and then um there was another body that was found in america in great i can't remember what it was called it was called like colostomy man or something colostomy man he had a copper colostomy bag he took with him everywhere ancient man and arrows all over him from people trying to get rid of him get out of here colostomy man found in america but but a kennewick man all right here we go, I found it. And so he was found on a bank of the Columbia River and dated to around 9,000 years ago. And so what happened was originally the Native Americans were very confident that he was one of theirs and they wanted his body. you know, they wanted his body.
Starting point is 00:49:25 And the judges actually ruled initially that he was not a Native American because it was before Native Americans. And when they analysed his DNA, he was, originally it was sort of found that he would possibly had elements of other, you know, races and and and but the interesting thing about it that i thought was that um he was shot uh to death by a sling the oldest possible man eight nine thousand years ago in america the oldest the first man that we've
Starting point is 00:50:03 ever discovered american was shot to death. I just find that so appropriate. Can you imagine if you, the first people that made that walk, I believe it was across the Bering Straits when that was land. This would have been during an ice age. They would have made that walk across.
Starting point is 00:50:19 They would have explored America. Imagine the first time you saw the Grand Canyon or just these huge fields. I mean, even just, I guess, because they would have been coming from Russia, the very far east of what we now call Russia, and that
Starting point is 00:50:35 sort of East Asia. But horses, I mean, horses only come from Russia. As I understand it, there were no horses in America until it was conquered, right? That was when the conquistadors and everybody and us and a bunch of people brought horses with us. So that means that the early people had not domesticated horses. And so were horses introduced to the indigenous people of the region at the time?
Starting point is 00:51:00 Like there just weren't any? I assume so, but I will say that i'm assuming that because in sid meyer's game colonization the only way the native tribes get horses is if you trade them to okay but i'm assuming sid meyer did his research in minecraft there's a lot of biomes and in certain biomes horses appear and as far as i know america does feature many biomes so it does but horses wasn't one of them and i think there's a lot of animals that weren't there yeah i don't think cows i don't think horses i think i mean they have a lot of bison and stuff right like uh yeah but that's so they didn't have cows i mean like africa for
Starting point is 00:51:37 example didn't have horses didn't have cows and have pigs didn't have sheep well they had zebras though which is kind of like but you can't tame But you can't tame them. You can't tame them. Well, it's just because nobody's tried. No, they have tried. They're too exotic. They just, they will not be domesticated, apparently. The older they get, the meaner they get. Really? So you just, yeah, you can't domesticate them the way you can with other animals. Holy shit. So,
Starting point is 00:51:57 before I move off the topic, are you telling me that a Mustang horse doesn't even originate in America in the first place it's like from that the breed might have but horses come from the steps of russia i believe what about a cold one someone will correct me oh the breeds yeah i think you're right uh but before we carry on obviously there was a lot of controversy over this this man because you know caucasians were very keen to say you know that oh we looks like white men were the original founders of it we're
Starting point is 00:52:28 the original native americans you guys are the invaders right but after like more studies it showed that actually this guy kenny wickman was very very actually uh genetically similar to modern uh native americans who were in the same area. So even 9,000 years old, they were still living, very similar genetic people were still living in the region. So he was handed over to the Native American tribes and they buried him in a special ceremony as a Native American. So that ended without white supremacy which is which is that is good just to settle the horse debate by about 15 000 years ago equus ferris was a
Starting point is 00:53:11 widespread species horse bones from this time period the late pleistocene are found in europe eurasia beringia and north america yet between 10 000 and 7 600 years ago the horse became extinct in north america and rare elsewhere. The reason for this is not fully known, but one theory notes the extinction in North America paralleled human arrival. Another theory points to climate change known that approximately 12,500 years ago, the grass characteristic of a steppe ecosystem gave way to shrub tundra, which was covered in unpalatable plants. So they might have starved. They might have been hunted to death.
Starting point is 00:53:41 So they survived in Russia. And then we obviously then domesticated them and brought them everywhere else so i believe that's what happened apologies anyone that actually knows i'm sure i'll get a message you're in for it yeah but only please only emailing if you know what you're talking about don't just fucking google it i can fucking google it all right don't worry someone that says i'm a fucking horse expert yes you will get an email from a certified horse expert next week i'm sure i'm sure i will here is a good one telling you how wrong you are on your horse lord
Starting point is 00:54:10 this is about whether it gets hot underground which is something we spoke about previously uh this is from nathan um they work in a tiny office a kilometer kilometer underground. Right. As a surveyor in a gold mine. Okay. And they spent many hours down there watching the yogs while waiting for an opportunity to get in everyone's way. It's not a bad little hideaway, though the dust has popped two graphics cards. You can't stand up straight inside it.
Starting point is 00:54:36 And the last time it was moved, it was dropped on its roof with all the equipment still inside. That's his hideaway. Many episodes ago, you asked if it gets hot underground, and I confirm that, in this neck of the woods at least, it does get fucking hot. How? I recently hopped out.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Well, because you're closer to the Earth's core and there's no fresh air, I guess. Oh, right. There's no air circulation, right, which helps cool things down. Not as much, I guess. I mean, there has to be, because they've got to breathe. But I recently hopped out of my ute, so they might be Australian, in a heading, which is a tunnel,
Starting point is 00:55:03 and the air was so hot i wasn't i know i wasn't sure i'd be able to breathe it simply standing there for a few minutes was enough to drench my clothes and sweat and when i drove back out i could see the chilled air from the utes aircon pumping out of the vents so you can actually see the cold air with his naked eye it was that uh it was that hot so there it gets very hot underground, according to Nate. Jesus Christ. I guess I've always noticed the Luddite underground gets fucking boiling sometimes. Yeah, but that's because there's like a million fucking people down there all the time. It's all the body heat, right?
Starting point is 00:55:34 It's got to be. Is it? Maybe. I don't know. It's not that far underground, right? Well, consider this. If you go a kilometer up, it gets considerably colder. So if you go a kilometer down up, it gets considerably colder. So if you go a kilometre down, because it's air pressure.
Starting point is 00:55:48 Surely the air pressure, the pressure a kilometre underground is greater as well. I guess maybe the fact is you can't lose the heat if you're in that area. If you've got heat sources and electricity and computers on, the heat just doesn't have an exit. When you have your aircon in your room, you need to have that pumping out to ambient right you can't just it doesn't just cool it um like a fridge but even a fridge like needs you know a fridge will cool the inside of the fridge but the outside gets hot right it's not like you know it's not like it somehow magically creates cold air.
Starting point is 00:56:27 It's a balance, isn't it? So here's something. The temperature increases by one degree for every 70 feet deeper we go, according to this graph I found on the internet. Right. It's insane. Well, I guess it depends where you dig, though. I suppose. If you're digging in, like, a volcano,
Starting point is 00:56:46 I assume it would get pretty hot pretty quick um maybe but i guess that's just in in just that's just the earth's temperature heating right so that's interesting interesting stuff this is uh that would terrify me being that far underground and it being that hot, I would feel really uneasy. No, I'm already feeling a bit clammy, yeah. Like, it's a scary thought, isn't it? What the fuck is he doing under there? Why is he watching videos and stuff? What the fuck else is there to do?
Starting point is 00:57:16 The lad works a kilometre underground. He can't pop to the fucking feed bar. What was he supposed to be doing? He's a surveyor for a gold mine. That's what he said. So he's going to bring a sandwich down there He's looking for gold Lewis There's gold in them hills
Starting point is 00:57:30 Alright fine That should settle it He's a gold surveyor And he's prospecting for gold in a gold mine Do they do that though Do they do This lad does Just because you've never done it before Doesn't mean that other people can't do it Lewis Do they do that, though? This lad does. All right.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Just because you've never done it before doesn't mean that other people can't do it, Lewis. All right. Here's an email from Tom. This is very personal and specific to me, this email. And I shall reveal why. In 2015, I started working at a small development agency based in Bournemouth.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Prior to this, I'd been self-employed working from home. Combined with a bit of new employee anxiety, I continued the same practice at lunch that I did when I was at home, sitting at my desk and watching you guys on YouTube. I was watching one of the Civ 5 videos when in walked the office manager. She was kind of cool and trying to help me feel welcome in my new job. Her. What are you watching? Me. Just some guys playing video games. Her. Oh, my brother does that me feigning interest really what sort of thing does he do her mainly dota but occasionally he records other stuff too me what's his name her period flags so oh shit that was my sister oh that's hilarious
Starting point is 00:58:37 yeah he was literally watching me in the civ 5 video with you guys at that moment that is hilarious oh my god that's brilliant yeah i think i remember her telling me that story actually i think she said i worked with a guy that watches man that is so funny holy shit that is funny that's great i love that small world stuff like oh that's i like these these but these are the types of coincidences that make you think that that blow your mind in a sense right don't they um and they shouldn't because you know you come from bournemouth right yeah and and you know he's probably about the right age and he works in it and yeah like it shouldn't the the numbers are dramatically
Starting point is 00:59:19 increasing statistically speaking he's one of. But it just feels instinctively so like good, doesn't it? Yeah. I super love that. If you've got little coincidences or little like, because everyone's done it, right? Like where they've bumped into someone they know in a really weird place. You're like, oh my god, I didn't know you were going on holiday
Starting point is 00:59:39 to this island at the same time. It's like when Bruce Willis realized that he was dead all along, you know it's like when bruce willis realized that he was dead all along you know i love that right these things happen i love it's nothing like that but yes i it is like sure i love those those reveals so yeah if you have i want that's what i want people to send in like weird coincidences yeah that would be good experience in their life coincidences would be good um everyone's got one or two stories oh absolutely i mean i can't i just if i took the time to think there
Starting point is 01:00:10 are some coincidences i know here's here's a very simple one my my uh eldest daughter and i this was years ago i'm sure i think i told this before on this podcast we had she got a little toy boomerang it's like a plastic boomerang we went to the green nearby we threw it and a few times it came back and you know you pick it up off the ground one time we threw it and a little gust of wind caught it and blew it into a tree and we were like oh there's no way of getting it back
Starting point is 01:00:35 it's way up there like two weeks later we're back at the green again we're sitting around we're sitting on a bench I had completely forgotten which tree the thing had gone into as we're sitting at the bench gentle had completely forgotten which tree the thing had gone into as we're sitting at the bench gentle gust of breeze
Starting point is 01:00:47 and the boomerang falls out of the tree and flies and lands at our feet like the tree was giving it back and I was like what the fuck
Starting point is 01:00:56 and my daughter was like oh it's our boomerang and I was like do you have any idea how unlikely that was I was like oh my god this is it was crazy it was like, oh my God.
Starting point is 01:01:06 It was crazy. It was absolutely crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. But again, that happens every day. That's just, there are billions of us doing all this stupid shit
Starting point is 01:01:16 and you're going to stumble into what feels like an astounding coincidence. But really, it's just statistics. This is always going to happen at least once in your life. Oh my God,
Starting point is 01:01:23 I love that story. Well, that's a good place to end. No no i've got to do the dentist one first because i want people to leave with good oral hygiene this is like the encore this is like i've left the stage and then we've come back on for an encore this is from a dutch dentist called arjan i'm not going to do the accent this time because i have respect for his profession uh we were talking about cavities and possible effects genetics genetics have. This is the dentist's two cents. There are a lot of misconceptions about this topic.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Now, bear in mind the source for this is a dentist. To be super clear about this subject, cavities are 100% preventable and caused by the behavior of the person who gets them or their parents if it's their kids. It's a behavioral disease. The main cause of cavities is poor oral health, usually in combination with sugar intake. This is because cavities are caused by bacteria, lives in your mouth, multiply if you stick on your tooth for too long, dental plaits, thrive on sugars, grow more quickly, eat a lot of sugar, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:02:10 You can help prevent cavities by using fluoride toothpaste, which makes the enamel stronger, when brushing, which removes the plaque, your teeth, and reduce your sugar intake. Genetics have a really small influence, but the effects of behavior are so impactful, it pretty much makes the genetic factor neglectable, or negligible, I think is the term he means. Right. Keep brushing your teeth twice a day. Use toothpicks once a day and try to keep your sugar intake to a minimum.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Thank you. Ah, yeah. There you go. Okay. From a dentist. There you go. From a dentist. From a real life dentist.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Okay. Not a fake dentist. Not Lewis pretending that he knows dentistry inside out. This is a real life dentist. An actual dentist. And here is a follow up from Mikey. Mikey, who says that you could not believe the anger on my face when you blamed young kids with cavities on drinking coke all the time. When I was a kid, I ended up having a filling every six months, and later had five baby teeth removed because they were so
Starting point is 01:03:06 crap. However, this is no fault of mine. At least I don't believe so. I never drank pop, hardly ever had sweets or chocolate. In the end, the dentist blamed it on having too many biscuits, fruit, and cereal, which as I'd had the same amount as any other child, I guess it just wanted me to starve. Very disappointed to see you
Starting point is 01:03:22 as an advocate for bad genetic teeth child starvation. See,y is claiming it's not his fault but if you're that young mikey you're telling me that fruit has a lot of sugar in it cereal has a lot of sugar in it and biscuits have a lot of sugar in them that's exactly what the dentist said how well were you brushing your teeth mikey hey ayan thinks not well enough and on that bombshell. People seem to be able to blame their genetics for everything. In some cases they can, but in this case, you can't.
Starting point is 01:03:51 You ate too many sweets and you paid the ultimate price. Oh man, that's gotta be a hard pill to swallow, Mikey. Sorry for that. Maybe if we put some sugar on that pill, Mikey would eat it. I'm sure he would. Shit. And then he would turn of genetics all right thanks everyone see you next time goodbye

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