True Crime with Kendall Rae - Murdaugh Murder Trial: From a Life of Power to a Life in Prison

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

In this episode, we talk about Alex Murdaugh’s past, and what led to him ending up where he is today. Previous episodes: Alex Murdaugh episode part 1 Alex Murdaugh updates Alex Murdaugh episode par...t 2 References: Creighton Waters Opening Statement Closing Statement Donate to NCMEC through my campaign!  https://give.missingkids.org/campaign/kendall-rae/c438796 Shop my charity merch! https://milehighermerch.com/  All profits from this charity merch will be donated to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children: https://www.missingkids.org/  Check out Kendall's other podcasts: The Sesh & Mile Higher Follow Kendall! YouTube Twitter Instagram Facebook Mile Higher Zoo REQUESTS: General case suggestion form: https://bit.ly/32kwPly Form for people directly related/ close to the victim: https://bit.ly/3KqMZLj Discord: https://discord.com/invite/an4stY9BCN CONTACT: For Business Inquiries - kendall@INFAgency.com

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Starting point is 00:01:09 we kind of recapped a few things and made sure that we were ready for today's video, which is going to be going over the entire trial. Now, this trial was very long, six weeks, tons and tons of witnesses, tons of testimony. So I'm going to try to fit as much as I can from the trial into one episode today. But obviously it's impossible to fit it all in. So I've gathered what I think is the most important bits for you to understand if you are interested in this trial. Now, if you didn't catch my part one and part two, you're going to be confused friends. You really got to see both of those to understand everything that we're going to talk about today, or at least maybe have seen the Netflix series or something else covering the case. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've never
Starting point is 00:02:00 done a piece of content that was fully dedicated to just a trial. Normally we're going over an entire crime and we talk about the trial towards the end. Today we are just talking about the trial. So it's going to be a little different. It's going to get pretty technical. It could get confusing, but I've done my best to make this as understandable as possible for some pretty complicated topics. And I did want to say, I'm currently sick. I sound a little nasally. It's not that bad. I bet most of you won't notice, but please bear with me. I'm doing my best to get through this as clearly as I can. But let's not waste any more time here. Let's go ahead and jump right in. So in part two, we went over the night of the murders, Alex
Starting point is 00:02:45 Alibi, as well as the three interviews that he gave following the murders of his wife and son. I also pretty briefly recapped everything the Murdoch family has been experiencing the last few years and set us up here for the big picture of what the prosecution and defense argued during trial. Now as you probably know, there are several crimes, everything from financial crimes to murders connected to this family. However, the trial that we are going to be talking about today was solely about the murders of Paul and Maggie Murdoch.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Now, one thing that I didn't go over in part two, but I think is very important to note going into the trial coverage here is that there were several. And that's putting it lightly. There were a hundred, more than a hundred. Jailhouse tapes that were recorded after a freedom of information act request was submitted. And these tapes really help you understand the mindset that Alec was in leading up to the trial. And it also shows you that he was in control, or at least attempting to be in control, even from behind bars. This family is all about manipulation, and they have been manipulating people in this community for years. And that
Starting point is 00:03:58 manipulation carried on even while he was facing these serious charges. And honestly, it's not shocking at this point. And he definitely has this tactic of being very friendly on these phone calls. Right up until about the end, he pretty much always asks the person on the other line to do something for him and normally it's something financial. And a lot of these phone calls are with his remaining son, Buster. And most of them are about law school. Because Buster had been previously kicked out of law school after being caught plagiarizing and makes it very clear he only has one more chance to be reaccepted. He even makes a very cryptic comment about getting $60,000 to Butch Bowers who is a well-connected attorney that can help
Starting point is 00:04:48 buster get back in school. He knows he totally thinks. I mean, would he be willing to do something like that, you think? Absolutely. But I would do it yourself first. I'd just say, hey, just
Starting point is 00:04:58 follow it up. If you got an answer, try to look back into this week and we get into the middle of next week. And something that would be done to be the reach. That's what I'm saying. When the classes start January the fifth.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Yeah, that's why it really you need to see it tomorrow. So it's clear that even behind bars, Alec is not done being shady. We also hear in these phone calls him asking his family members to put money in other inmate's commissary accounts because the $60 that he was allotted at day apparently wasn't enough for him. I need y'all to put. I need one more time y'all to put um, can't you know Lucas,
Starting point is 00:05:36 don't just Lucas's account. What can I? It allows me to get get stuff that I need. Alec is also still very clearly gambling in jail, even though most of it was for food and other necessities while he was in there, it shows that he is still hustling people. And even though these tapes don't come up in the trial,
Starting point is 00:05:57 I still thought it was interesting to mention here. I think it's an unfortunate but good example that even when Alec has to face the consequences of his actions, he doesn't stop being the manipulative shady person that he truly is. And with that, let's go ahead and dive into the trial of Richard Alexander Murdoch. So on January 23rd, 2023, the trial of Alec Murdoch began with jury selection. And this was no easy task as you can imagine given the nationwide obsession with the case. I'm sure you can imagine
Starting point is 00:06:32 with how much media attention this family has gotten, it was quite difficult for a small city like Walter Burrow, South Carolina to find an impartial jury, but it was crucial. And I did find it interesting that neither the prosecution or the defense asked for a change of venue. I mean, you would think that one or even both sides would think a jury in Walter Burrow
Starting point is 00:06:54 would be impartial to their argument. But it turns out that both sides thought that a jury of their peers would be their best chance at winning their case. And even though there was a lot of concern that it would be very difficult to find an impartial jury, the process was actually completed
Starting point is 00:07:10 in just a matter of days. And 900 individuals were trimmed down to just 12 jurors and six alternates. On January 24th, the second day of jury selection, pre-trial motions began. And it was during this time that both the prosecution and defense argued over what evidence and testimony should be considered admissible.
Starting point is 00:07:30 And like I mentioned in part two, the prosecution's main pieces of evidence had to do with Alex financial crimes. And that's because according to them, he was trying to cover up these crimes when he killed Maggie and Paul. And it doesn't come as much of a surprise to hear that the defense didn't want his financial crimes to be admitted. It was their position that they weren't relevant to the criminal case at hand
Starting point is 00:07:56 and would paint Alec in a bad light to the jury. His theory, and this is sort of, is that he knew the jig was up. So he went home and butchered, blew the head off his son, and butchered his wife. There's not one shred of evidence. There was any problems between any of them. There's tax pictures, people that were with him the previous weekend at a ball game, video from that day with Paul and he having a good time. There is no dispute anywhere that they were the perfect family in terms of their relationships. So this is a fabrication and they want to use what Mr. Griffin described as bad character evidence. He stole all this money so he must have killed his wife and son. Now if they've
Starting point is 00:08:44 got some evidence it. Maggie was getting ready to turn them over to the fans or Paul knew about it and was getting ready to talk about it or he'd been threatened by them. Certainly, those cases say that's when that kind of stuff can come in. But not this theoretical, we ain't got a motive for going to make one up motive. During pretrial motions, both Dick Harputley and with the defense and Creighton Waters with the prosecution attempted to give their opinion on why the financial crime should or should not be admissible, but ultimately Judge Cliffton Newman, who I love this man by the way, ruled that he would assess the admissibility of this evidence on a case-by-case basis once the testimony
Starting point is 00:09:23 actually began. Paul Greer, Ableistics Firearms expert for the state, was also called to the stand during the pretrial motions to determine whether or not his testimony would be allowed during trial. If allowed to testify, he would be a key witness for the state. And Paul's testimony would argue that the spent shell casings found near Maggie's body matched the spent shell casings in other parts of the Mozel property. After matching the markings on the bullet casings,
Starting point is 00:09:50 Paul Greer came to the conclusion that Maggie was killed with a family gun. During pretrial motions, the state questioned him about the process that is required to come to this conclusion in order to prove that his findings are, in fact, scientifically accurate. Before a conclusion is rendered via report, each examiner will examine the evidence, arrive at a conclusion, write those conclusions down, at that point another court qualified examiner
Starting point is 00:10:19 will examine the evidence and arrive separately at their conclusions to create a blind verification. If those conclusions are the same, then the reviewing examiner will sign up on those conclusions so that a report can be drafted. It's also part of that process. The entire case following report are reviewed for a technical review and administrative review before the report is released. But of course, it was the defense's opinion that he should not be allowed to testify during the trial because of the scientific validity of his findings or the lack thereof.
Starting point is 00:10:58 During cross examination, however, Paul stuck to his original conclusions and Judge Clifton Newman ultimately ruled in favor of the state. And it's also important to note that several days before these motions were heard in court, the defense also filed a motion to prohibit the testimony from Blood Spatter Expert Tom Bevel, and anyone whose conclusions about the Blood Spatter were derived from Mr. Bevel's findings. Now, this motion is lengthy but important. As I showed you in Part
Starting point is 00:11:27 2, when officers arrived at the scene of the crime, Alec was wearing a white t-shirt. Now this white shirt was analyzed and processed to determine if it had traces of human blood and high velocity blood spatter on it. And because the stippling on the body's prove that they were shot in close range, the state believed the shirt he was wearing would likely indicate this high velocity spatter. And if it did, they would be able to more easily argue that he was the shooter.
Starting point is 00:11:57 However, if it didn't, that would leave the defense with a strong argument that he wasn't the shooter. And if you were at all familiar with this case or followed at least some of the trial, you may know how much controversy there was when it comes to the testing of this t-shirt. In this motion filed by the defense, they argue that Mr. Bevel's original findings concluded there was no high velocity spatter, and it wasn't until after he was badgered by sled agents that he changed his findings and said that there was an abundant amount of high velocity spatter on the shirt. Basically, he's
Starting point is 00:12:31 saying that he was convinced to change his rulings in order to better support the state's argument, which is obviously a huge accusation. The defense also argues in this motion that the blood test, the state ran on the shirt, which is called an LCV test, destroyed the shirt from the ability to be tested by the defense. And to be clear, the shirt wasn't actually destroyed. It just means that the test that the state ran on it would prevent other tests from being done on it as well, but the physical shirt itself still exists. The motion continues to say that if all of this wasn't bad enough on its own, another
Starting point is 00:13:09 expert who examined the shirt for the state came to a slightly different conclusion than Mr. Bevel. And if it's not obvious, that's really bad for the state. I mean, they have two experts coming up with two different conclusions about the blood spatter, and that could leave a lot of room for doubt. So then the defense filed another motion trying to prohibit the testimony from this second expert named Deputy Kenneth Lee Kinsey. However, they were unsuccessful. Okay, so that's pretty much all you need to
Starting point is 00:13:40 know about the pretrial motions. And once jury selection concluded, the opening statements began. Opening statements started with a prosecution and right out the gate, lead prosecutor Creighton Waters set the scene for what happened the night of June 7th, 2021. On the evening of June 7th, 2021, the defendant's property of Mozilla Road and Collatin County. His son Paul Murdock is standing in a small feet room and some kennels they had on the property. About 8.50
Starting point is 00:14:18 pm and the defendant over there, Alex Murdock took a 12-shade shotgun and shot him in the shoulder and the chest in the shoulder with buckshot and the evidence is going to show it was a million to one shot he could survive that but after that another shot went up under his head and did catastrophic damage. The evidence is going to show that Paul collapsed right outside that fever. Devin is going to show that Paul clapped right outside that feed room. And just moments later, just moments later, he picked up a 300 blackout, which is a type of ammunition, but an AR style rifle, and the evidence is going to show that the family had multiple weapons throughout the property, picked up that 300 blackout rifle and open fire on his wife Maggie just
Starting point is 00:15:07 feed away near some sheds that used to be a hanger. Pow, how? And this took 33 very powerful minutes. And during that time, Creighton painted a picture of the tear that Maggie and Paul faced and highlighted just how he and his team were going to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Alec was the man who was responsible for their debts. At Croger, you can find the highest quality products at a great price in every aisle every day with Croger brand. So you can stock up on your household favorites that are tried, tested, and loved by you.
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Starting point is 00:16:29 Highly verification required. New customers only at 1 per line. Additional restrictions apply. CboosBull.com for details. So the evidence that he prepared to present included the 911 call from the night of the murders, statements and body cam footage from the night of the murders, statements and body cam footage from responding officers, the three recorded statements that Alec gave to law enforcement, Holistics evidence showing that the ammunition at the scene matched the other ammunition at the property,
Starting point is 00:16:57 suggesting that it was a family gun that killed both Maggie and Paul, GPS location data from Alec's vehicle, as well as cell phone data from Alec, Maggie, and Paul's phones. And there was a very big bomb dropped during this opening statement, and that is that there is video evidence of Alec at the scene of the murders minutes before they took place. This was the first time that people had heard this, and it was big news, and it ended up being a crucial piece of evidence in the trial. And it's really what the prosecution used to ultimately get Alec to admit that he lied about his whereabouts that night.
Starting point is 00:17:34 And the evidence is going to show that the defendant, Alec Murdock, over there told anyone who would listen that he was never at those kennels. But the evidence is also going to show, from these things that everyone of us, most of us carry around in our pocket, that he was there. And he was there just minutes before with Maggie and Paul, just minutes before their cell phones go silent forever and despite what he told people, I was never at the kennels, the cell phones are going to show otherwise. And we also learned that Alex Hans and his seat belt tested positive for gunshot residue. During his opening statement, Craten also started discrediting Alex Alibi from that night.
Starting point is 00:18:25 And he also introduced the idea that he manufactured it to strategically try and get away with what he had done. And as you'll hear as we continue to go through the recap of this six week trial, there is so much more that came into play that ends up leading to Alex conviction. Once we get to the end of that journey, and you have a chance to deliberate, the evidence is going to be such that you're going to reach the inescapable conclusion that Alex murdered Maggie Paul, that he was the storm,
Starting point is 00:18:55 that the storm was coming for them, and the storm arrived from June 7, 2021, just like the storms that are heading here right now, that they died as a result beyond any reasonable. When Duc Harpoutlian began opening statements for the defense, he wasted no time casting doubt on the state's case. Right away, he said that the facts being presented against Alec aren't facts, but merely theories. He presented Alec as a loving father, incapable of committing an act that terrible, and then
Starting point is 00:19:30 describes in graphic detail the scene of the murders. Now stand up. This is Alec Murdo. The Alec was the loving father of Paul and the loving husband of Maggie. You're not going to hear a single witness say that their relationship, Maggie and Alec's relationship, or anything other than loving, night, he comes home and finds his wife and son, butchered. And when I say butchered, you're going to see these photographs. When I see them now, after having seen them for the last four or five months, it still shocks me.
Starting point is 00:20:09 It's still is tough to look at. It's still bothers me. And he comes home and finds his son laying in his own blood with his brain laying it his feet shot to hell. And throughout his opening statement, he continuously says that evidence they present will not only cast doubt that Alec wasn't responsible for these crimes, but conclusively prove he didn't do it. For instance, he says that if Alec had been the one to shoot these guns at such close range, he would have been covered in blood, which he didn't appear to be when officers arrived at the scene. They also argued that he wouldn't have had time to clean up the crime scene, clean himself
Starting point is 00:20:51 up, get rid of the murder weapons, and drive to his mom's house. Ultimately, with no murder weapons, and alibi placing him at his mother's house, add her around the time the killings, a botched investigation, and direct testimony that Alec loved his family, the defense believed he would be found innocent on all charges. Remember, as you sit there right now, in your mind, he didn't do it. He is innocent. He would require a verdict of not guilty from you. That's the law. That's your oath. So on the fourth day of trial, witnesses were called for the first time, starting with members of the Collatin County Sheriff's Office and Collatin County Fire Rescue. This day was filled with testimony from the first responding officers to the scene, This day was filled with testimony from the first responding officers to the scene, describing what they saw, and also what their interactions with Alec were like.
Starting point is 00:21:49 Sergeant Daniel Green, who was the first to arrive at the scene after Alec called 911, was the first witness to take the stand for the state. And in part two, we went over some of the footage from his body cam, which was shown in its entirety to the jury, so they got a sense of Alec's appearance and behavior that night. And again, you can see that he did not have blood on from his body cam, which was shown in its entirety to the jury, so they got a sense of Alex appearance and behavior that night. And again, you can see that he did not have blood on himself, despite saying that he checked both bodies for a pulse. Also on the stand, Sergeant Green mentioned how Alec immediately brought up the bow crash, and how that could be a possible explanation for the attack. And he was the first, but definitely not the last person to testify for the state.
Starting point is 00:22:26 At Alec was going hard pushing the theory that the boat crash was the reason that his family was attacked. Sergeant Green also talked about the tire track impressions that were found at the crime scene that night. It was ultimately determined that two of the impressions belonged to Alex's vehicle, but there was a third set of impressions that investigators were never able to identify. And there were also a set of footprint impressions brought into question. And although a lot of these prints were believed to belong to Maggie and Paul, they hadn't been properly secured to see if other prints could be identified. And this is when the defense introduced their argument that the crime scene was not properly
Starting point is 00:23:07 secured and that not all evidence was considered thoroughly. But keep in mind though, that on the night of the murders, a storm was 45 minutes away from rolling in. So investigators obviously had to work really quickly to preserve the evidence. But storm or no storm, the defense argued that evidence such as the tire tracks and footprints are prime examples of how investigators failed to properly secure the scene. One officer at the scene even left a bloody footprint in the feed room where Paul's body was found and clearly that is not a good look for investigators. And this also really
Starting point is 00:23:42 fit their argument that sled set their sights on Alec as the killer right away. And this also really fit their argument that sled said their sites on Alec as the killer right away. And they basically argued that they didn't look into any evidence that might prove otherwise. And to support this, the defense brought up the initial statement from authorities that said there was no threat to the public in the aftermath of Paul and Maggie's murder. Because this would suggest that investigators knew already who was responsible. So basically, the defense is arguing that sled agents decided that Alec was the murderer and conducted their investigation accordingly. We also heard from Corporal Chad McDowell on the fourth day of trial who laid out what he saw at the crime scene. He was the second officer to
Starting point is 00:24:22 arrive after the 911 call was placed, and he was first to identify the 300 blackout shell casings found near Maggie's body. His testimony really helped lay the groundwork for the rest of the state's witnesses. Lastly, on this day, the jury heard from Collatin County Sheriff's Office captain Jason Chapman, and he was among the first arriving officers who secured the scene before sled arrived and took control of the investigation. And he also gave some really important testimony about Alec touching the bodies that night. Basically, he explained that based on the amount of blood and the position the bodies were laying in, anyone who
Starting point is 00:25:00 tried to take their pulse would get blood on them. Because the severity of their wounds and the amount of blood would have made it impossible for anyone to touch the bodies without getting blood on themselves. And based on his recollection of that night, Alec, who said he had touched the bodies to check for a pulse had no blood on his hands or clothing. On examination, Mr. Rinal, did you have a chance to look at his hands or clothing. In fact, one officer testified that his clothes smelled freshly laundered as if he had recently put them on. And this would mean that Alec did not touch the bodies after they were murdered. So why would he even say he touched them? Well, if you're trying to have a reason for
Starting point is 00:26:00 why your DNA is on the bodies, this would be one way to go about it, although clearly, it wasn't all thought through. So the unredacted 911 call that we talked about in part two was also played in court. And in this call, we hear Alec take the opportunity to talk about the boat crash as a possible explanation. And I've said this before, and I'll say it again, Alec would have had the knowledge on how to best direct investigators. That is so important to remember in this case. And that's exactly what the prosecution argued at many points throughout the trial.
Starting point is 00:26:33 His background in law and his family's long history in law gave him the knowledge about how to get away with murder. And that's exactly what he attempted to do with that knowledge. Leading investigators to the boat crash and the fact that his son was getting threats was taking the heat off of him or an attempt to do so. But luckily, Sled saw right past that bullshit and they uncovered the real killer.
Starting point is 00:26:59 So week one of the trial ended on Friday, January 27th, and that day, jurors were played the first interview Allie gave on the night of the trial ended on Friday, January 27th, and that day, Jers, were played the first interview Alec gave on the night of the murders. In that interview, Alec shares information about the threats that Paul had been receiving, and also gives his alibi for the night of the murders. He doesn't go into super specific detail during this interview, but like I explained, in part two, he ended up actually having three interviews with Sled, and in each of these interviews, he said the same things. He wasn't down at the kennels that night.
Starting point is 00:27:29 He doesn't know who could have done this, and that the boat crash is the only thing he can really think of that would make someone want to hurt his wife and son. Detective Laura Rutland, who was in the car that night with David Owen conducting that first interview, was called to the stand that day as well, and she confirmed that Alex Clothes appeared to be freshly laundered. However, in cross examination, a point was made that if he appeared clean, how could he have been responsible for such a gruesome murder? But let me just say, the detective Rutland handled this cross examination so well. Even when Jim Griffin was trying to get her to say things like,
Starting point is 00:28:04 Alex didn't look like someone who had just blown the brains out of his wife and son because he was clean, she responded in a way that didn't give into this line of questioning. And you also told the jury that Alex was clean and you were referring to, his shirt was clean, correct? Correct. His shorts were clean, correct? Correct. You remember were clean, correct? Correct.
Starting point is 00:28:26 You remember the litany of Mr. Metters? Shorts, shirts, shoes were clean, correct? That's correct. He was clean, correct? To my visual eye, he was clean. Yes. And to your visual eye, it did not look like he had just blown his son's head off in the confines of a feed room or splatters everywhere.
Starting point is 00:28:45 Didn't that correct? I didn't say that. Well, let me ask you. In your mind's eye, that night on June 7th, that he looked like someone had just blown his son's head off, spattered going everywhere. Again, I can't say that for sure. A lot of things would come into play to affect that.
Starting point is 00:29:03 And during her cross examination, Jim Griffin also tried to point towards Alex's cooperation, then. He brought up the fact that he willingly told Sled that they could search his property. Basically, in their eyes, why would a guilty man allow the police to do that? But in reality, you have to consider that Alec had never actually gotten in trouble for the time that he had broken the law,, his cooperation was likely because he knew that things would just be swept under the rug. Now, obviously murder is different than drunk driving or stealing, but still. Alec knew he had power over law enforcement in Collagen County.
Starting point is 00:29:39 So, when the defense brought up this cooperation, I and so many others out there definitely weren't buying that his actions were well intentioned. So her testimony overall was a step in the right direction for the state, however they still had a lot to prove if they wanted the jury to come back with that guilty verdict. The final witness called to finish out week one was sled agent Melinda Worley. And during her testimony, the state was able to introduce a bunch of crime scene evidence. She introduced the 12-gauge shotgun shells found at the scene and testified further about the 300 blackout casings found near Maggie's body. She also testified that after collecting 10 different swabs in Alex Truck, all came back
Starting point is 00:30:22 and tested presumptive positive for blood. Later on during trial, a sled agent specializing in DNA analysis would testify and confirm that there was blood on the steering wheel of Alex car. But what's difficult about this blood is that you can't really determine when it got there. So when week one of the trial ended, there was really no saying which way this trial was going to go. A week two of the trial came with a lot of new revelations. Early on in the week, Alex's second interview from June 10th was played for the jury. And of course, I talked more about this interview in part two, but in it, Alex sits down with
Starting point is 00:30:57 sled special agents David Owen and Jeff Kroft. And if you remember from part two, there was a portion of his interview when Alex says something along the lines of, it's just so bad. I did him so bad. But some people heard him say, it's just so bad, they did him so bad. Well, this was played in court during the direct examination of special agent Jeff Kroft, and he testified and confirmed that in this tape, he heard Alex say, I did him so bad. It was just so bad, I did him so bad. Traumatic picture that he saw of Paul and Maggie, what did he say? It's just so bad, I did him so bad. I did him so bad.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Yes, sir. And during cross examination, he has played this audio one third of the speed and then asked if he still hears I instead of they. And he confirms yet again that he hears Alex say, I did him so bad. But this isn't the slam dunk that the prosecution wanted. Jim Griffin absolutely grills special agent Croft and questions that if he really did hear Alex say, I did him so bad then why didn't he just arrest him on the spot? I mean this would technically be an
Starting point is 00:32:10 emission of guilt so why not just arrest him? But he says that they were still in information gathering mode at this point and that they didn't have enough information or evidence to support and arrest. You're in the car with him. According to to your testimony, he says, I did him so bad. That is what I understood him to say, yes, sir. And yet you just said you took a mental note of it. Yes, sir, I did. I mean, if the guy in the middle of the circle,
Starting point is 00:32:39 the only one in the circle says, I did him so bad, isn't that a significant statement if he actually said that? Definitely something we would follow up with. Also on the stand, he spoke about how 300 blackout rounds were found on other locations on the Mozelle property. He stated that the property was littered with spent casings that matched the kind used to kill Maggie. This suggests that Maggie was killed with a family weapon. And it was important that they established it was a family weapon because logistically, for the defense to be right, that would mean that the real shooter, or shooters, as they later would say, came to Mozel that night
Starting point is 00:33:16 without their own guns. But does that really make sense? Just think about it. Why would someone who came to this property with the intention of killing two people not bring their own weapon? Now of course the defense would say that whoever killed Maggie and Paul must have known that the Murdoch's had tons of guns on their property and that they knew they'd be able to find some guns when they got there. But in the words of Crate and Waters, use your common sense here. What scenario makes most sense to you? So a lot of testimony during week two was focused on the cell phone data. And believe me when I say that all of this is very long and very complicated.
Starting point is 00:33:55 So I'm going to do my best to summarize what was learned, which might mean going through some of the trial out of order. So Lieutenant Britt Dove, a supervisor for Sled's computer crimes division, testified about the data he collected from Alec, Maggie, and Paul's phones. His data retrieval allowed him to collect text messages, call logs, and other physical features from the phone, such as its movement and when the display was changed.
Starting point is 00:34:20 There is minute-by-minute data of the events of that day and up until the evening, everything was relatively normal. For example, the Murdoch's housekeeper Blanca cooked dinner for Paul, Maggie, and Alec, and texted Maggie at 3.28 p.m. saying that it was ready and waiting for them on the stove. Cell data from Maggie's phone also shows that she spoke with her sister, Mary, and Proctor that day, whose testimony was also really important for the state. At 7.29pm, Paul's phone registers recording a snapchat video of Alec, although this video wouldn't be sent until 15 minutes after it was taken.
Starting point is 00:34:56 This video, which we talked about in part 2, was very important. In it, Alec can be seen messing with a tree on their property, and Paul can be heard laughing in the background. But what's substantial about it is the clothing that Alec is seeing wearing in that video, and it doesn't match the clothing that he is seeing wearing when officers arrived at Mozel later that night. Testimonie later on during the trial from the Murdoch's housekeeper Blanca confirmed that the clothing Alec was wearing in the Snapchat video was not the same clothing that he wore when he left for work that morning. And she knew this because she helped him fix his collar that morning and she got a good look at what he was wearing. He had a pair of khaki pants, green, greenish, I call it sea foam color, polo shirt, and he put a sports coat, blue sports coat over it. Do you remember anything specifically about that shirt?
Starting point is 00:36:02 As he put his coat on, he was putting his shoes on and he was putting his coat on and he was getting ready to walk out. He turned around and I said, Alec, I said, hold on a minute, I said, you're collar sticking up. So I, he turned around and I fixed his collar inside his jacket because one collar was sticking up. So this would suggest that he changed two times after coming home from work. And like the prosecution alleges,
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Starting point is 00:37:58 His phone doesn't record any movement from 809 to 902PM. And at 814PM, Paul's phone places him up at the house. Maggie's phone places her back at the property at 8.17 pm, which is likely when they had dinner. And based on cell data, dinner would have wrapped up by 8.32, because this is when Paul's phone records him taking 283 steps. And six minutes later, his phone places him down by the kennels. And Maggie's phone also recorded a significant amount of steps, which is consistent with going down to the dog kennels.
Starting point is 00:38:33 And at 8.40pm, Paul's phone indicates that he made a phone call that lasted just over four minutes to his good friend, Rogan Gibson. At 8.44, the two of them get off the phone and seconds later, Paul makes a FaceTime to Rogan, which only lasted 11 seconds. Those lines show that the phone had an outgoing call that was placed June 7th, 2021 at 8.40 Okay, and we use the contact name on that algorithm called Rogan Gibson. And this is data that was stored on Paul's phone that you were covered in your investigation, correct? Yes, correct. At 8.48 pm, Paul receives two text messages from a girl named Megan Kimball.
Starting point is 00:39:19 And both of them are marked as red. But then less than a minute later, Paul receives a text message from Rogan, and this was never red. At the same time at 8.49pm, Maggie read a text message from her sister-in-law, but this is the last recorded text that she ever read. And so based on this cell data, this is when the prosecution argues that they both were killed. More specifically, they say that the time of death was some time between 8.49 pm and 9.06 pm. But the defense argued that the time of death could have been well after this time, because the corner didn't perform very accurate testing.
Starting point is 00:39:57 Time of death is estimated using a body's temperature. And instead of actually using a thermometer, the corner did a very old school way of taking their temperature. And instead of actually using a thermometer, the coroner did a very old-school way of taking their temperature. He just put his hand underneath their armpits and kind of gauged for warmth. The defense also argued that just because Paul and Maggie stopped using their phone around this time does not mean that this is when they died. In Britt Dobs testimony, he said that Paul's phone was at 2% battery at the time he read his last text. The defense took this piece of information
Starting point is 00:40:32 and argued that it's more likely he didn't respond to the text messages because his battery was low and he was trying to preserve it, not that he stopped responding because he was killed right at that time. But as you'll hear me say shortly, Paul was in the middle of a conversation with Rogan when he suddenly just stops replying, indicating that something happened. Now, the whole reason that the defense is trying to push back the time of death was because video footage recorded on Paul's phone
Starting point is 00:41:01 placed Alec at the scene of the crime minutes before the prosecution alleges he killed Maggie and Paul. And by casting doubt over their time of death, the defense could argue that if Alec was at the kennels that night, he still could have left before the real shooters showed up. But even with this argument, which I think is shaky at best, it still means that Alec lied about his whereabouts that night. And again, why lie if you're innocent, but we'll get more into that later.
Starting point is 00:41:28 So the rest of the cell data was presented, which walked jurors through the events that took place after the murders. From 902 to 906 PM, Alec's phone records 283 steps, during which he also attempted to call Maggie's phone. At 905, he calls his father's phone, and they speak for 18 seconds. And then just a minute later, he tries calling Maggie two more times. Now, if you remember, Alex stated that he tried calling Maggie because he thought maybe she would want to join him to go visit his mother. And he says when he didn't get an answer, he decided to go alone. But during week four of the trial, testimony from Maggie's sister, Marion would bring Alex's decision to go to
Starting point is 00:42:10 Alameda by himself into question, which as a reminder, Alameda is where his mom lives. I mentioned earlier that Maggie and Marion spoke on the phone that day. And in their conversation, Maggie told her sister that Alec insisted she be at Mo's all that night, despite not wanting to go in the first place. Maggie told Maryann that Alec's father had really not been doing well at the time, and that Alec really wanted her to go with him to visit his mom. So basically, for Alec to say, oh, she didn't answer the phone, so I just went alone, doesn't really add up.
Starting point is 00:42:44 I mean, why wouldn't he drive down to the kennels and ask her to go if he really wanted her to go that badly? Or did he just want her there that night because he was planning on killing her? Maggie called me that day and said, she was at Edistow, she had some men working on the house, and Mr. Randolph was not doing well at all, and I like really wanted her to come home that night, she hadn't planned on it,
Starting point is 00:43:12 but that he needed her to come home, and Paul was going to be there too, and I said, Lomaggy, I said, you know, Elykin, his dad are super close, and that's probably what you should do, go be with him if you need to. She said that Alex wanted her to come home that night. Yes. What was your understanding of Maggie's in central what they were going to do that night? I was under the impression they were going over to Al Mita to visit his parents.
Starting point is 00:43:41 And that's why Alex wanted Maggie to come home. Correct. At 9.07 p.m., data from Alex Car shows that he left to Alameda to visit his parents. And that's why Alec wanted Maggie to come home. Correct. At 907 PM, data from Alex Car shows that he left Mozel on his way to Alameda where his mom lives. And while driving, he texted Maggie about checking in on his mom.
Starting point is 00:43:57 At 910, he calls his son Buster and speaks with him for 60 seconds. And at 912, he calls his close friend and fellow attorney Chris Wilson. At 918, he calls his close friend and fellow attorney, Chris Wilson. At 918, he calls his brother John Marvin, and at 920, he speaks on the phone with Chris Wilson a second time. And then once he's at his mother's house,
Starting point is 00:44:14 he speaks with her caretaker, Shelley Smith, and finds out that she's asleep. So he ends up not spending much time there before he turns around and heads back to Mozel. And he says that on his way back, he continues to try and call his wife and son, and he is unable to get them to answer. Now going to his moms and making these texts and calls was what the prosecution said Alec did in order to manufacture his alibi. However, the defense brought witnesses to the stand who Alec spoke to that night,
Starting point is 00:44:45 and they all claimed that he didn't sound like a man who just murdered his wife and son. But the real nail in the coffin here really came from Rogan Gibson's testimony. When Rogan took the stand, he testified that the four-minute call between he and Paul that night had to do with his dog Cash, who was staying at the Mozilla property, and had some issues with his tail. Rog was staying at the Mozilla property and had some issues with his tail. Rogan says that he asked Paul to FaceTime so he could see the dog, but because service at the kennels could be spotty, the FaceTime was lagging too much for him to get a good look. He then texted Paul, asking him to send a photo, saying that his girlfriend knew someone who was
Starting point is 00:45:20 a vet and could take a look at it. However, he never got a response from Paul again. Again, you told this jury that when you all got off the call, he was going to try to face time, you know, and if not send a video. That's correct. That face time didn't work, though. Yeah, it was, it came through, but it was lagging. Couldn't communicate through it. So you all stopped. It's great.
Starting point is 00:45:40 And you were expecting what after that? A video. Rogan attempted to call Paul five more times that night without luck. And he even texted Maggie at 9.34 PM asking that she tell Paul to call him. But once again, he got no response. In Rogan's testimony, he testifies that not only did he hear Paul's voice on the phone, but he also heard Maggie and Alec in the background. Even though he couldn't be 100% certain at first that he heard Alec in the background,
Starting point is 00:46:10 he later confirms that he did hear him after the infamous Kennel video is played. So let's talk more about the Kennel video. If you're hanging with me, up until this point, thank you. So it's important to clarify that this video wasn't logged by investigators until almost a year after the murders happened. In April of 2022, Paul's phone was finally unlocked. And it wasn't until they were inside the phone that investigators first uncovered this crucial piece
Starting point is 00:46:38 of evidence. So this video, which was recorded at 8.44 PM, was taken just seconds after he and Rogan ended their Now several people close to Alec testified that they are 100% certain that it's Alec's voice in the background of that video, which undeniably places him at the crime scene, despite repeated efforts to say he wasn't there. And one of the people who testified was his former law partner, Chris Wilson. And during his testimony, Alec could be seen getting teary-eyed and rocking back and forth. If it isn't super clear, this video establishes that Alec had opportunity.
Starting point is 00:47:53 He was down by the kennels around the time that the murders took place. I do want to quickly wrap up Rogan's testimony because the importance of what he said didn't stop after the Kennel video was introduced. During his cross-examination, Jim Griffin tried to dig into the Murdock family's relationship. And by doing so, he's trying to paint Alec as a loving family man who could never have committed such a brutal crime. However, during this cross-examination, Jim Griffin accidentally opened the doors that would allow testimony pertaining to the 2019 boat crash. Up until this point, Judge Clifton Newman hadn't ruled whether or not this would be allowed, but once it came up in conversation with Rogan, he said it was fair gain. And that brings us to the end of week two, which concluded with testimony from sled agent firearms
Starting point is 00:48:41 expert Paul Greer, who I mentioned earlier when talking about pretrial motions. After identifying the weapons, ammunition, and cartridges collected from the Murdoch's property, he began talking about the casings found near the victims as well as other casings found on the property. And it was his expert opinion that the 300 blackout ammunition casings found next to Maggie's body
Starting point is 00:49:03 matched the other 300 blackout ammunition casings found next to Maggie's body match the other 300 blackout ammunition casings found on the property. Based on my examination it was determined that items 2 through 7 and 35 through 37 and 39 had matching mechanism marks and it was concluded that those items had been loaded into extracted and ejected from the same firearm at some previous time. The five centers, the correct ones, the items collected right by Maggie, have been extracted, loaded into extracted to and ejected by the same firearm that identified that items were picked up by the sign-downs.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Yes, sir, that was correct. In addition to this testimony, we hear from many others throughout the trial, including Paul's best friend Will Loving. That Paul owned an AR-style rifle and used 300 blackout machine. We also learned that Buster owned this type of rifle, and that Paul's went missing around Christmas of 2020. However, it was confirmed that a replacement gun was purchased. But unfortunately, that weapon has never been recovered. And the fact that this replacement gun is now missing makes them believe that it was the gun used in Maggie's murder. And linking a family gun to the gun used in the murder was really important for the state. Again, who is going to believe that some vigilante came to the property
Starting point is 00:50:28 with the intent of murdering these people and didn't bring their own weapon? It just makes no sense. So that brings us to week three. So week three started with a lot of promise because in addition to allowing testimony regarding the boat crash, judge Clifte Newman also ruled that testimony regarding Alex financial crimes could be admitted as well. And this
Starting point is 00:50:49 was a huge win for the prosecution and a huge loss for the defense, as you can imagine. So next on the stand was Libby Murdoch's caretaker, Shelley Smith. So in her testimony, Shelley testified about her interactions with Alec on the night of June 7th, and most importantly, her interactions with him after. On June 11th, 2021, the day that Paul and Maggie's funeral was held, Shelley testified that she was approached by Alec, and that he began talking to her about the night of the murders. Even though she testified that he was only at the house for 15 to 20 minutes. She says that on June 11th, Alec told her that he was at the Alameda house that night for 30 to 40 minutes.
Starting point is 00:51:30 And the way she'll he describes it, this was less of a conversation and more of a statement. She goes on to testify that Alec also brought up the fact that she was getting married and that he'd be happy to help take care of some things for her. He even mentions her other job, which was working at a local school, and tells her that he'd be happy to help take care of some things for her. He even mentions her other job, which was working at a local school, and tells her that he knows some people who work there and can help her out. And to me, this sounds a lot like bribery. And what did he say about your marriage, or upcoming sexual marriage? I heard you was getting married, I said yes. He said, back at home, he was like, let me know, because I know where this is going to be expensive. Well, thank you.
Starting point is 00:52:04 Did he offer to help? Yes, he offered. He offered. That's the type of person a good person. Any of you ever mentioned the waiting thing you before? No. Did you mention that to him before? No, I'm. Were you working at the school? Yes, at the school. Yes. Did Mr. Murrath all mention to you about your school or your position there? Yes. Tell him what you said. He said that, you know, you need to put the position at school. You know, my good friend is there. I said, yeah, I know what that was called the principal. She also testifies that on June 16, 2021,
Starting point is 00:52:35 nine days after the murders, Alec appeared at his mother's home in Alameda at 6.30 AM, carrying what looked like a blue tarp or something that he immediately took upstairs. He had a blue something in his hand. Say that one more time. A blue tarp, a blue something in his hand, something blue. A blue something in his hand.
Starting point is 00:52:55 And you show me how he was holding it. Like this. Sorry if I touch it. How was he doing it? Like this. Holding something like this. Sorry if I touched you. How was you doing? Like this. Oh, there's something like this. Yes. Shelly did her best on the stand, but her testimony was definitely confusing at times, especially because she couldn't conclusively say whether the thing Alec was holding that morning was
Starting point is 00:53:16 a tarp or the raincoat. And here's why that matters. A search warrant executed by sled at the Alameda property four months after the murders uncovered a raincoat, a blue raincoat, and a blue tarp. And when tested, that raincoat tested positive for high levels of gunshot residue. And because she couldn't say whether he was holding the raincoat or the tarp, it was hard to connect this item to him. The defense did try to stop additional testimony about the raincoat after hers was so confusing, but more was still heard. Sled forensic scientist Megan Fletcher testified that the raincoat tested positive for 38
Starting point is 00:53:59 GSR particles, which indicates that the coat was in the vicinity of someone shooting a gun, or came in contact with a gun recently after it was shot. Alex's hands, shirt, shoes, and seatbelt buckle also tested positive for GSR. However, these were in much less significant quantities. So the prosecution was trying to allude that Alex hid one or both of the murder weapons inside this coat. And that's why they tested positive for such high levels of GSR inside. But at the same time, Mozel is a hunting property.
Starting point is 00:54:34 And just because GSR was found on an article of clothing doesn't mean an expert can determine what weapon it came from or when with any certainty. So let's talk more about the financial crimes. As I mentioned previously, week three was huge because the financial crimes were officially admitted into evidence. And this was a major win for the state. And it kicked off with testimony from Jeannie Seckeinger,
Starting point is 00:54:57 the CFO for Alex former law firm, PMPED. I mentioned this in part two, but her testimony outlined the confrontation she had with Alec the afternoon of June 7th about the $792,000 worth of missing legal funds. She also says that their conversation got cut short after he received a text message about his dying father's condition. So on June 7th, I was going to make another run at finding out from Ellic if we had their information. I went upstairs to his office on the second floor and he was leading on a file cabinet outside of his office and he turned a look to me.
Starting point is 00:55:35 When I came up and said, what do you need now? And gave me a very dirty look, not a look that I'd ever received from Ellic from just kind of frustrated with me look, which made me go, oh you want to know what's going your office. So we went the office and closed the door and at that point I told him that I had reason to believe that he had received the funds himself and that I needed proof that he had not. Received those fees himself? Yes. And I needed proof that there were not. Yes. What did he tell you?
Starting point is 00:56:07 He told me again that he assured me that the money was there and that he could get it. And at the point, I said, I know, I said, I'm just trying to do my job. And if I don't get this paperwork and verify that with these questions, I'm not doing my job. You actually act like he respected that. And and again said that that money was there and that he again was trying to decide what he was going to be doing with it. And did
Starting point is 00:56:33 you all get to conclude that conversation or just something in a wrap-up? We did not. He took a phone call in the middle of that conversation. That phone call was about his father that was in he was in the hospital, that he was gonna be terminal, that there was nothing else they'd be able to do first father. So that changed the mood of the conversation, we quit talking about business, and I immediately asked about him and his family, and his dad, and, you know, we got talking
Starting point is 00:56:59 as friends at that point. She goes on to say later that day, after this confrontation, Alec reached out to her asking to gather information about his 401k balances. He told her he was working on his financials for the civil suit regarding the boat crash, which I explained in part two was another key piece in the state's case against Alec. Jeanne's testimony goes through his other financial crimes, including a bank account he opened called Forge,
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Starting point is 00:58:51 from Jeannie's testimony is this confrontation because it was this interaction that the prosecution says led Alec to kill Paul and Maggie. Time was running out for him. The walls were closing in. And when Alec is under pressure, he does the unspeakable. I mean, Jeannie even confirms that when Maggie and Paul were killed, the matter regarding the missing money was put to the side. She says straight up that nobody was going to press Alec about anything in the aftermath of these murders.
Starting point is 00:59:26 And this was sort of a golden ticket moment for the state because this testimony helped establish motive. And I said it in my last video and I'll say it again, Alec was terrified that he would be caught stealing millions of dollars. So instead of facing the consequences when he was about to be found out, he murdered his wife and son to distract people and gain sympathy. And this brings me to the other half of the alleged motive. The civil suit following the 2019 boat crash. So halfway through week three, Mark Tensley takes the stand. So halfway through week three, Mark Tinsley takes the stand. Mark, who I explained last week, represented Mallory Beach's family in a $10 million civil suit against Alec Murdoch. Alec claimed he didn't have the $10 million to pay up, and was three days away from a
Starting point is 01:00:16 hearing that would have led to his financial crimes being exposed when his wife and son were suddenly killed. Even if this hearing on June 10th didn't really expose his crimes, Mark testified that it would have opened the doors for his finances to be examined, and that he and his firm wouldn't stop pushing until the truth came out. And just like Jeannie testified, Mark explained that the murders made it so that he and his firm would no longer pursue Alec. In fact, the murderers actually ended the lawsuit altogether. Again, a great motive for Alec to have committed such a terrible crime.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Did that have any effect, that tragedy of their deaths? Did that have any effect on your assessment of the bokeh case and how everything fit together if things were how they initially appeared? and how everything fit together if things were how they initially appeared. It would have affected, I mean, yes, it did and it would have, it would have ended the case. It would have ended the case against two. Against Alex Martin. And explain that to Jerry. Why, what had changed after this terrible tragedy? Well, when you have a civil case, nice people get good verdicts.
Starting point is 01:01:25 You really have to motivate a jury to help somebody in a civil case. And so if you compare, say, a tell of the hunt with some sweet grandmother, who gets a better result? It's the sweet grandmother. If Ella is the victim of a vigilante, nobody's going to hold him accountable, doesn't make any difference what he did, or how clearly what he did contributed, the case would be over against Ella. And so initially, it could have been over it.
Starting point is 01:01:59 It appeared that it was going to be over against Ellac. Because I had other defendants, I had Parker's convenience store that clearly violated its rules. And so you wouldn't want a very sympathetic person in your case when you have somebody who clearly violated the rules and caused this tragedy. So it would have been over against him. Mark was actually the first and only person who was willing to hold the Murdoch's responsible following the boat crash, and really any other time. Before the murders, Alec actually went up to Mark and said, I thought we were friends,
Starting point is 01:02:32 as if them being friends would mean that his son would get away with manslaughter. Alec is in the type of person that can handle bad media attention on his family, so what is he doing in trouble? He looks for a way out. And it just so happens that the only way out Alex could think of at this time was murder. Now I've stressed how important the financial crimes were for the state,
Starting point is 01:02:57 but it would take me literally a week to go through it all. However, Jeannie and Mark's testimonies were two of the most important and I wanted to highlight some of their testimony. And we still have a lot more to get through. So there was a pretty crazy interruption in trial during week three. They ended up having to evacuate the courtroom due to a bomb threat. And this little hiccup was certainly annoying considering the trial was already taking so much longer than expected.
Starting point is 01:03:27 So toward the end of week three, the jury heard from Alex best friend and fellow attorney Chris Wilson. His testimony was first heard with the jury out of the courtroom in week two, however, the judge ruled that his testimony should be admitted and he took the stand again in week three. And Chris spoke very emotionally about his long standing relationship with Alec, who at one point he considered to be his closest friend. During direct examination, he's asked about the $792,000 worth of misappropriated funds because Chris was the person who Alec said had the money, but that wasn't really
Starting point is 01:04:01 the case. His testimony shares that Alec asked him to write a check out to him personally and put on the firm's books. He asked you to write the checks out to who? To him. Him directly. Him Richard Alexander Murdoch. Instead of what? Instead of PMPED or the law firm. Which would be the normal practice. Yes, sir. But obviously this isn't a trial about Alex financial crimes. It's a trial about murder. So how does this all fit together? Chris Wilson was a victim of Alec Murdoch. He was one of the many people who was lied to and stolen from.
Starting point is 01:04:37 And part of the purpose of his testimony was to show that Alec was capable of lying and stealing from someone who he considered to be his best friend. Chris also opened up about Alec's drug problem, which he said he knew nothing about until after the murders when Alec confided in him about his addiction. He admitted or said that he had had a drug problem for 20 plus years and that he was going to rehab. And then he said he admitted he had been stealing money. I asked him how long has this been going on? Couldn't believe that I didn't know it.
Starting point is 01:05:16 Never saw it. Never suspected it. Drugs or money? And what did he say? He said it had been going on for a long time. And this statement was huge again for the prosecution. One of Alex's main arguments was that his opioid addiction was one of the main reasons that he lied to the police
Starting point is 01:05:34 that night about his whereabouts. I'll get into this much more when I get to his testimony, but the defense is really trying to drive home the idea that Alec was a struggling addict who was taking upward of 2,000 milligrams a day. So for his best friend to testify that he had literally no idea Alec had an addiction was really good for the state. And during cross-examination, Chris was asked to talk about his relationship with the Murdox
Starting point is 01:06:02 and Jim Griffin really tried to make the point that Alec was a family man incapable of murder. But I think this line of questioning really worked against the defense because it showed what a two-faced person Alec was. He appeared to be a family man on the outside, but we know with a hundred percent certainty that he was willing to steal from people closest to him. And if he was willing to do that, what else was he willing to do? Other important testimony during week three came from Blanca, the Murdoch's housekeeper. I mentioned when going through the cell data that she and Maggie texted that day, and I played a clip where she explains that the outfit Alec is seen wearing in the Snapchat video
Starting point is 01:06:42 is not the outfit he wore when he left for work that day. But she had even more testimony that was crucial to the case. While she was on the stand, Blanca first explains that she knew the Murdock family very well. She knew their habit, she knew their schedule, and most importantly, she knew what clothing they owned. And in her testimony, Blanca says that after June 7th, she never saw the shirt Alec was wearing in the Snapchat video again. And she also says
Starting point is 01:07:09 the same about two pairs of his shoes that he frequently wore before the murders took place. After June 7th of 2021, did you ever see that shirt again? No, sir. There was like a pink one, a white one, a baby blue in the closet. I do not remember that shirt being in there. And on June 8th of 2021, in the morning hours when you came back over there, was that shirt there? No sir. Were these shoes that you spelled house slippers were those there?
Starting point is 01:07:44 No sir. Did you ever see those house shoes that you've styled house slippers were those there? No, sir. Did you ever see those house shoes that you... No, sir. And where did it usually keep them? In the closet. And she also shared how Alec had a conversation with her after the fact. And it sort of sounded like he was trying to plant a different memory in her head. Blanca knows what Alec was wearing that day, however, she said he was
Starting point is 01:08:05 trying to convince her that he was wearing a different colored shirt. During cross examination, Dick Harpoutian questioned Blanca more about the condition of the house the morning after the murders, and even though indirect examination, she said things in the house looked off, she wasn't able to identify any blood anywhere in the house. So that brings us to the end of week three. And at this point, there seemed to be no end in sight. Then week four kicked off with two jury members testing positive for COVID. The week also started with more testimony from sled agents testifying about DNA evidence
Starting point is 01:08:43 found at the scene. However, because Alec was related to Maggie and Paul, his DNA being on them didn't really mean much. We also heard from Dr. Ellen Rimer, the pathologist who conducted the autopsy's for the first time, and she talked in detail about the manner of death and the damage the guns did to their bodies. So Paul was shot two times, once in the head and once in the chest. And the first shot he sustained should have been fatal, but it wasn't. But the next shot to his head, quote, obliterated his skull. Maggie was shot a total of five times, three of which were to the thigh, chest, and wrist.
Starting point is 01:09:23 The fourth went through her left breast and re-entered the side of her face, and the fifth went through the back of her head. Her testimony established how the bodies would have been positioned during the shooting in relation to their attacker. However, during cross-examination, Dick Harputlian, tried to pose an alternative theory about the attack.
Starting point is 01:09:45 Even though she has conducted over 5,000 autopsies and testified in more than 250 trials, Dick Harputlian tried to suggest that someone else could have come to a different conclusion than she did. Back conclusion, being that Paul shot his mother and then killed himself. To be honest, I don't fully understand this science behind bullet wounds and trajectory and all of that, but Dr. Rimer stands her ground and basically shuts this idea down. She says there's just no scientific way that Paul could have been the shooter. Now this is also the week that Maggie's sister testified. Earlier, I played her testimony about how Alec convinced Maggie to go to Mozel that night,
Starting point is 01:10:22 but she had a lot more information to share. She spoke about Alec's behavior following the murders and how he seemed to only care about clearing Paul's name in the boat crash case rather than finding the person responsible for murdering them. We were talking about the boat case and he was very intent on clearing Paul's name. What did he say? He said that his number one goal was clearing Paul's name. And I thought that was such a strange because my number one goal was to find out who killed
Starting point is 01:11:04 us to her her pulp. She also explained how Paul's nickname was little detective because he was always trying to keep his dad out of trouble as it related to his drug addiction. Alec actually uses the term little detective in one of his interviews with Sled and like we saw from those kennel videos, Paul in a way ends up being kind of a detective in his own murder. Marion's cross examination also brought out a lot that the defense was trying to keep out of the trial. She was asked about the relationship between the Murdoch family and then started to mention
Starting point is 01:11:36 how her opinion of everything changed after an event that took place in September of 2021. This event being that roadside shooting where Alec paid his drug dealer Curtis Edward Smith to shoot him so his son Buster could get his 10 million dollar life insurance policy. Well, obviously the defense desperately does not want testimony about this incident to be admitted. So the conversation was redirected. But when asked on redirect to specify what this event in September was,
Starting point is 01:12:07 the defense objected, and the judge had to ask the jury to leave the courtroom so that they could discuss the objection in more detail. Testified about Alex not being focused on trying to figure out he killed Maggie and Paul, and then something happened in September, is that right? Correct. And that change for you as you started to look at the motive, is that correct? That's what you just testified, correct? Correct.
Starting point is 01:12:31 And in September, you got fired from the law firm, right? Correct. And it started to come out about years and years of theft and misappropriation of clients, is that correct? Jackson leading. Jackson's this thing. What came out in September that changed your calculus? And of Jackson exceeding the scope across.
Starting point is 01:12:54 Jackson's a rule. What do you think is the question? We were on our way to a football game and we received a phone call that, from a friend of ours saying how sorry they... This issue that has not been ruled upon. Ladies and gentlemen, we have you go to the jury room. Please do not discuss the case. And after a good deal of back and forth, the judge sided with the state.
Starting point is 01:13:24 He let Marion continue with her testimony regarding the roadhouse shooting, which, And after a good deal of back and forth, the judge sided with the state. He let Marion continue with her testimony regarding the roadhouse shooting, which, like I talked about when going over his financial crimes, helped establish that Alec was the type of person to go to extremes when the walls were closing in on him. So like we've been over, lead investigator David Owen was present during all three interviews that Alec had with sled and he took the stand on Wednesday, February 15th. He summarized his investigation of the double homicide and the video from Alec's third interview conducted on August 11th was then played for the jury.
Starting point is 01:13:57 In his testimony, Special Agent Owen brought up the countless inconsistencies in Alec's story. One of the biggest things being the lie he told about being at the kennels that night. During interview number three, special agent Owen told Alec that Rogan Gibson heard him in the background of his phone call with Paul that night,
Starting point is 01:14:14 alluding that he was down at the kennels. And keep in mind that during this time, neither Alec or Slad knew about the kennel video. And even after learning that someone identified him at the crime scene that night, Alec still denies being there and says that Rogan must have mistaken him. Really. And testimony from David Owen really points to the fact that Alec wasn't willing to tell the truth until indisputable evidence forced him to. And we all know that Alec would not have admitted
Starting point is 01:14:47 to being there until he was forced to when that Kennel video came out. And according to Special Agent Owen, the shell casings in lack of third party DNA is what ultimately led his team to believe that Alec was the most credible lead. During cross examination, a big window opened for the defense to get into some of their main arguments.
Starting point is 01:15:08 Those arguments being that Alec was cooperative, that slid botched the investigation, and that Alec was unfairly zeroed in on from the beginning. Up until August 11, Alec had given you carte blot to search anywhere, anytime, on any property he had, is that right? That is correct. And August 11th, he was encouraging you to try to get information from General Motors and he would do whatever he could
Starting point is 01:15:34 to facilitate that exchange, right? Yes. And up until August 11th, I mean, you'd reached out to Alec, me, John Marvin, whenever you need to go on property to do anything, and you've always got consent. That is correct. He was grilled about evidence that was possibly missed or destroyed, and even got David Owen to admit that sled never asked Alec or the clothes that he was seeing wearing in the snapchat video. Now we know from Blanca's testimony that she never saw these items again, but because
Starting point is 01:16:08 the prosecution was placing so much importance on the fact that he changed, it definitely looked bad for investigators that they never even asked him to turn them over. So towards the end of week 4, crime scene expert Dr. Kenneth Kinsey took the stand, and I mentioned him when we went over pretrial motions because he was one of the experts whose testimony the defense tried to block. Similarly to the testimony we heard from Dr. Ellen Rimer, he spoke about the trajectory of the bullets as well as where Paul and Maggie would have been when they were shot. And he also testified about the location of the shooter. Based on his assessment, Paul was about five feet into the feed room when he was shot
Starting point is 01:16:45 the first time in his chest. The second shot was closer to the feed room door after he likely walked forward after being shot the first time. Dr. Kinsey states that the shooter would have been just outside the feed room door for shot one and to the right of the feed room door for shot two. And because the trajectory of the shots were low, they suggest that after the first shot didn't kill Paul, Alec picked up the shotgun once more and blasted his head from a lower angle. In his testimony, Dr. Kinsey denies the second gun shot wound
Starting point is 01:17:16 to Paul's head was a contact wound, which would mean that his death wasn't a suicide. And he also states that when Paul received the first shot, his hands would have been by his side, indicating no defense wounds. So the prosecution finally rested their case on February 17th after their last witness walked through the timeline a final time. Sled Special Agent Peter Rudolfski went through a minute-by-minute timeline and pointed to all the inconsistencies shared by Alec.
Starting point is 01:17:46 And one of the most glaring things detailed during his testimony was that Alec called 911 only 20 seconds after he arrived at the kennels, according to his car date. And that's just not reasonable time for him to have done what he said he did. Also, another important thing that I haven't mentioned yet is that Maggie's phone was not found at the crime scene.
Starting point is 01:18:09 It wasn't until the following day that it was found by John Marvin, and he found it with a detective by using the Find My iPhone feature on Buster's phone. Well, data from Alex Carr also shows that he drove in the direction where her phone was found, which means he can't be excluded from having taken her phone. Even though the defense argued that the movement activity on their phones doesn't match, therefore, Alex couldn't have been the one to take it. From joyful occasions to the unexpected, first Franklin financial makes loans for living, offering fixed rates and flexible terms
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Starting point is 01:19:38 not available in North Carolina. Data from Maggie's cell phone really played a big part in determining time of death. And that's because the data showed that her phone's orientation changed several times after it's believed she was killed. And I know that's pretty technical and confusing, but the state is basically arguing that the phone could have registered movement and orientation changes after the fact with someone else in control of her phone. And like I said, the defense made a very solid point that her phone is not seen moving at the same distance as Alex's phone when he was leaving Mozel.
Starting point is 01:20:14 And if he did have her phone, and if he did bring it with him and throw it out the window, their phones should show the same movement. And I know this has been a lot of information, very confusing, and also out of order, but that's actually how the state laid out their case. It didn't always make sense at times, but they hit all the overall points that nobody other than Alec could have been responsible for the murders of his wife and son. He had the motive. His financial crimes were about to be found out, and the storm was brewing. Also, he had the opportunity. The kennel videos places him at the scene of the crime when the murders took place. And he had the meats. The Mozel property is full of guns. An
Starting point is 01:20:55 expert testimony pretty conclusively connected the murder weapons to the weapons owned by the Murdoch family. Hang with me. We are in the final stretch here. So the defense took the lead starting February 21st. To kick it off, Buster, Alex's only living son, was called to the stand. And above all else, Buster's testimony in support of his father was guaranteed to impact the jury. Jim Griffin spent a lot of time establishing that Alec had a close relationship with this family, as well as Maggie's extended family.
Starting point is 01:21:25 He is described as a devoted parent and Buster talks about how he coached every little league team he ever played on. Buster also describes finding out about his mother and brother's death as a total shock. My dad called me. I can't remember the exact time, but it was later. And he called me on the phone. He asked me if I was sitting down, and I was like, yeah. And then he sounded odd, and then he told me that my mom and brother had been shot. What'd you do? Well, Brooklyn, my girlfriend was with me and I think she heard the, she could hear my conversation kind of over the phone. And so she just started
Starting point is 01:22:15 packing, packing stuff. And I kind of just sat there for a minute and I was in shock. And he recalled that his father sounded completely normal when they spoke on the phone that night while Alec was on his way to Alameda, which matches the testimony of others that spoke with him. And the defense continued to try and poke holes in the state's case. And in one example, Buster testified that it wasn't uncommon for his father to change clothes several times a day. He said that if he was outside on the property and sweating, it wasn't uncommon for him
Starting point is 01:22:49 to shower more than once and change his clothes. Buster also testified about Alex drug addiction. He says that he was aware of the problems that his father had been facing, but admits that Maggie and Paul knew more about it than he did. And he also talked in detail about the effort Alec made at overcoming his drug addiction, but he also said he knew he had relapsed on a few occasions.
Starting point is 01:23:12 He testified that even when Paul and Maggie would confront Alec about his drug addiction that things never got violent because his father wasn't a violent man. But despite knowing about his father's drug addiction, he claims that he didn't know about his father's financial crimes. At the very least, Buster's testimony for the defense showed a loving, supportive son who couldn't imagine that his own father was responsible for killing his mother and brother, considering some of Alex's closest friends and colleagues testified against him, having Buster on his side was beneficial
Starting point is 01:23:45 for the defense. Forensic engineer Mike Sutton took the stand as well, and he created a digital reproduction of the crime scene to show the bullets trajectories. In his testimony, he refuted Sledz conclusions and said that it would have been impossible for Alec to be the shooter given his height. According to his findings, the person who fired the weapon was between 5'2 and 5'4, which excludes Alex, who was 6'4". Tell us how you get to a height for the shooter. So for the purposes of what I've been showing you is that I started putting different height people in the trajectory analysis.
Starting point is 01:24:21 And so what I've been showing you is a person that's five foot two. How tall? The shooter's? Five foot two. Could be someone a little taller, crouching down a little bit. Could be. Five, three, five, four. Yes. So between five, two, and five, four, the shooter. Because what happens if, let's say, if you put a five, four person even, or five-5-5-6 in that shooting position from the hip, you've got to move them all the way up to the quail pin. And it doesn't make any sense there because there's no shell casings. And it starts to not make any sense why would a person stand right in front of the quail pin a few feet away and shoot into it.
Starting point is 01:25:02 In his testimony, the defense is also able to pose the idea that there could have been two shooters, which is explain more in testimony later on. The state however, questioned this guy's credibility because he doesn't even have formal pathology or firearm training. And when asked if he has ever taken a class in shooting reconstruction or gunshot wounds,
Starting point is 01:25:22 Mike Sutton replied, no. Mark Ball, who is a former law partner of Alec, got on the stand for the defense and shared how he, as well as many others, were allowed to walk around the crime scene the night of and the morning after. He testified that the day after the murders, he returned to the scene and noticed
Starting point is 01:25:39 that there were several casings that hadn't been collected and even parts of Paul's skull that had been left behind. Mark's testimony pointed to the mishandling of evidence by sled, however his cross-examination was helpful for the state, particularly when he admitted without hesitation that Alec was good at hiding who he really was. And he also said that he had no idea that Alex struggled with a drug addiction. And for how many pills the defense claims he was taking daily, it feels kind of impossible for him to have hit this. Additional testimony, halfway through week five, came from a crime scene analyst who
Starting point is 01:26:18 pointed to several areas around the crime scene that weren't processed for fingerprints, such as the feed room door. And again, this goes with the defense's argument that sled watched this investigation. And then finally, on February 23rd, Alec Murdock takes the stand. I'm Alec Murdock, M-U-R-D-A-U-G-H. Good morning. And as soon as he's up there, Jim Griffin didn't waste a single second, getting right into the murders. No, I did not. Mr. Murder, did you take this gun or any gun like it,
Starting point is 01:27:06 and blow your son's brains out on June 7th, or any day, or anytime? No, I did not. Mr. Murder, did you take 300 blackout such as this and fire it into your wife Maggie, leg, torso or any part of her body. No, I did not. Did you shoot a 300 blackout into her head causing her death? I should have driven I didn't shoot my wife or my son any time.
Starting point is 01:27:46 Ever. Of course, Alex denies shooting his son and his wife. And for the first time ever, he admits that he was down at the kennels the night of June 7th. Were you in fact at the kennels at 8.44 PM on the
Starting point is 01:27:59 night, Magging Paul were murdered? I was. Did you lie to sled agent Owen and deputy Laura Rutland on the night of June 7th and told them that you stayed at the house after dinner. I did lie to them. Did you lie to agent Owen and agent Crawford on the follow-up interview on June 10th that the last time you saw Maggie and Paul was at dinner. I did lie to them. And in the interview of August 11th, did you tell Agent Owen and Agent Crawl, did you lie
Starting point is 01:28:37 to them by telling them that you were not down at the kennels on that night? Yes. And when he asked why he did what he did, Alec Dove right into his battle with addiction. He talked about how he developed paranoia that could have come from a look someone gave him to a reaction someone had about something he did. Alec says that on the night of June 7th,
Starting point is 01:28:59 there were so many factors causing him to lie, his distrust of sled being one of them. He said he was incapable of reason and couldn't get past his paranoid thinking. Don't talk to anybody without Danny with you. All my partners were just repeatedly telling me that I had a deputy sheriff taking gunshot test from my hands. I'm sitting in a police car with David Owen asking me about my relationship with my wife and my son and all those things coupled together after finding them coupled with my distrust for sled Caused me to have paranoid thoughts normally
Starting point is 01:29:49 When these paranoid thoughts would hit me I could take a deep breath real quick Just think about it reason my way through it and just get past it really quickly On June the 7th I Wasn't thinking clearly. I don't think I was capable of reasons. And I lied about being down there. After these admissions, he walks through the timeline of that day once more. Obviously, this time, the details include what he claims to be the truth. He says that when dinner ended, Maggie and Paul walk down to the kennels together and he stayed back. He then says he took a golf cart to the kennel at which point he saw two of the family dogs, Brady and Bubba, who had been let out. And he says that it's typical for them to run out, mark the trees and start chasing chickens and other birds on the property,
Starting point is 01:30:41 which is what can be heard in the background of the kennel video taken on Paul's phone. Once Baba caught the chicken, Alex says he pulled it out of his mouth and went straight back to the house where he laid on the couch. And just like in his first story, Alex said that he dozed off for a minute and then got up and decided to go visit his mom. And once he got back, he said he didn't see Paul or Maggie, which wasn't too shocking to him at first, and it wasn't until he went down to the kennels that he found their bodies.
Starting point is 01:31:08 Did you see them on the ground when you're pulling up in your suburban? I did. And what you do. When you came to a stop, Alex, I think I jumped out of my car. I'm not exactly sure what I did, but I think I jumped out of my car. I'm not exactly sure what I did, but no, I got out of my car. I know I ran back to my car,
Starting point is 01:31:31 called 911. I called 911. I was on the phone with 911. I was trying to 10 to pop off. I was trying to 10 to mag. And I just went back and forth between them. And then he admits to touching them, checking for a pulse. And this is what I find interesting.
Starting point is 01:31:54 Alex says that after touching the bodies, he got blood on his finger tips, which is how he assumes it got on the steering wheel. But what I wonder is where did that blood go? I mean, it wasn't on his shorts, it wasn't on his shirt, and he never mentions anything about washing his hands or doing anything to get rid of it. He says that he showered later that night after Buster arrived, but that still doesn't explain why he appeared clean when officers arrived. So his testimony continues as part of the 9-1-1 call is played. And Jim walks Alec through the statements piece by piece just to confirm certain things he said. Of course, Alec's cooperation with Sled was highlighted.
Starting point is 01:32:33 To Sled, they could do anything, anywhere, anytime that they wanted to. Anything to do with me, my property, my cars, even though I didn't own the cars, I would get my law firm on the cars, I would have the people. They had full whatever they wanted. They were welcome to. He explained how he wanted his cell phone and car data to be processed so that they could see his movements aren't consistent with being the killer. Ali even said he told investigators
Starting point is 01:33:05 what Maggie's past code was so that they could search her phone more easily, which in a sense, I think, backfired because it was Maggie's phone that showed proof of certain calls that weren't found when processing Alex's phone, suggesting he deleted data off his phone. Later on in his testimony, Allie is confronted with the notion that he spoke to Shelly and Blanca and made comments to them that could be seen as witness tampering or bribery.
Starting point is 01:33:31 Even though he says he spoke with them briefly, he denies these conversations heavily. After the boat crash, he said there was so much talk about him fixing witnesses that he knew not to talk to people he thought may have been involved in the investigation. Basically, he's saying everyone is lying, but him. So then the courtroom broke for lunch, and afterwards, Alec got into what everyone really wanted to hear. His take on the June 7th confrontation with Jeannie Seckecher, and it shouldn't be shocking to hear that he downplayed what happened that afternoon
Starting point is 01:34:03 and said that by no means did he think his financial house of cards was falling. What was your level of concern about Miss Secondary inquiry to you on June 7th? There was some level of concern because she's asking me about money that I took that I wasn't supposed to have. So certainly, I had some level of concern, but it wasn't a very big concern. On June the 7th, did you believe that your financial house of cards was about to crumb? On June the 7th? Yes, sir.
Starting point is 01:34:39 Absolutely not. When he was asked about the $10 million civil suit, and if he was concerned about being exposed for theft, fraud, and so much more, Alec said he wasn't, which obviously we all find very hard to believe. He admits without hesitation that he is a thief and a liar, and that all the bad situations that he has gotten into is because of his drug addiction. But the defense's point through all of this is that even though Alec is a liar, and a thief, and has done wrong by so many people, that he should be believed when he says he didn't
Starting point is 01:35:10 kill Maggie and Paul. And to wrap up his direct examination, he has then asked about his relationship with Maggie and Paul. And what's interesting to me is the way he talks about Maggie is so different from the way he talks about Paul. His descriptions of Maggie are just so superficial and unspecific. Basically, the way he spoke about Paul was just so much more detailed and personal. So then it was time for Alex Cross Examination. Crate made sure to start by having Alex admit he lied to investigators repeatedly, and that that day was the first time he'd ever admitted being down by the kennels. He lets that sink in and then spends a good amount of time
Starting point is 01:35:51 talking about the Murdoch family history and the legacy that they have established in this area. And the point of establishing how powerful this family was was so that Creighton could introduce Alex Solicitor Batch. Alex would put this on his console or dashboard of his car and admittedly he says he did this in order to receive better treatment when he was pulled over. And 571, where did you keep this one? Usually in my car, wearing your car. It could be all of it, it could be on the dash like you were talking to Mark Ball about it, it could be in the center console, it could be in
Starting point is 01:36:28 the cup holder, it could be on the seat, it could be usually in the front seat, but in my car is where I try to keep it. So if you could use it to get away with something, correct? Get better treatment if you got pulled over. Get better treatment if you got pulled over. Get better treatment if I got pulled over. I mean, I probably have fair statement. Yeah, if somebody in law enforcement saw that, yeah, I'd say that's true. Prate and also introduces a card that reads,
Starting point is 01:36:58 The State of South Carolina solicitor of 14th Circuit Court, with an oath on the back, as well as Alex name. But let's not forget that Alec never actually served as the 14th Circuit solicitor. The here he is carrying around this badge, carrying around false documents, and using them to his advantage when it benefits him the most. So when getting into his financial crimes, Alec continued to admit what he did for so many years, and that it was his addiction that put him in this dark spiral.
Starting point is 01:37:29 Craten also brings up several cases that make Alec look like a giant piece of shit. For instance, like when he stole from two girls whose mother just died, and cross-examination took so long that it went into a second day, which was February 24th. Craten absolutely grilled Alec on the timeline of what he's calling Alec's new story. And he's talking about being down at the kennels. Alec isn't able to remember a lot of the details, such as how long he was there, and what he talked to Maggie about. But he does say that neither of the dogs were barking or indicating that anyone they didn't know was on the property.
Starting point is 01:38:03 And if you believe the prosecution's time of death, that really only leaves one person who could be responsible for these murders. And really the most important thing that Creighton had to do here was establish that it couldn't have been anyone else based on the timeline. After some very heated back and forth, they come to an agreement that Alec likely left the kennels at 8.47 pm, which places him back up at the house at 8.49, assuming it takes two minutes to make it up to the house on a golf cart. And like we've said, Alec's previous testimony is that he went inside, sat on the couch, dozed off for a little, and then woke up and decided
Starting point is 01:38:39 to go visit his mom. And that leaves about 13 minutes for Alec to be in the house, all sleep, wake up and decide to go to Alameda. And you lay down, is that right? I did. Before you said you'd been napping for an hour or so, we're napping that entire time. And now you lay down on the couch. That's correct. All right.
Starting point is 01:39:00 And maybe does for a second. Maybe. According to your new story, how long did you do? If I do extremely short time. Extremely short time? Does you would agree with me that at 902, you're up and moving according to the data? I agree that according to that data, my phone's recording steps at whatever time it is 902 something.
Starting point is 01:39:28 And even after being exposed as a liar, he continues to push the idea that he was so cooperative with police. Other than lying to them about going to the kennel, I was cooperative in every aspect of this investigation. Now let's get into what Alex said about his addiction. Let's remember, many of his closest friends and business partners have testified that they had no clue.
Starting point is 01:39:54 Alex was an addict. According to his own testimony, Alex said that his addiction grew, and he was taking upwards of 1,000 to 2,000 milligrams of pills per day, all while being able to maintain elaborate money-stealing schemes. He admits to carrying the pills on him all the time, and even said he has a handful of pills in his pockets when he was interviewed by Sled, just hours after the murders took place. And to bring all this full circle, Alex said that when he was interviewed by Sled, he lied
Starting point is 01:40:22 to them about being down at the kennels because he was paranoid. And the more pills he took, the more paranoid he was. And just two or three weeks before the murders, Paul actually found one of Alex's stashes of pills in front of him. Meanwhile his law firm and the civil suit are close to finding out that he was a liar and a thief. And even though Alex testified that he didn't think the financial house of cards was falling on June 7th, I'd have to imagine that this paranoia he claims was so bad may have convinced him otherwise.
Starting point is 01:40:51 Now, if you ask me, a paranoid person who is taking 2,000 milligrams of oxy a day could definitely be capable of committing murder. And let's not forget that taking 2,000 plus milligrams of oxy a day seemingly for years on end without tipping off anyone that he worked with or anyone in his family and without quite literally dying just doesn't add up. Obviously I don't want to diminish addiction in any way and I do know that secrecy is a big part of the disease and I don't doubt that Alec did hide his addiction very well. I just think the magnitude of everything makes this story very hard to believe. And I wish I had time to go through his entire testimony, but Alec was on the stand for two days. And this is his already becoming extremely long. His testimony concluded in week four and week five picked up on
Starting point is 01:41:40 February 27th, which is also the same day the defense rested their case. But before they did, there were a handful of witnesses that still needed to testify. And this included a forensic pathologist, a crime scene analyst, and lastly, Alex Breather, John Marvin. The forensic pathologist, Dr. Jonathan Eisenstadt, really tried to discredit the Collatin County Coroner's testimony. He stated that the method of sticking your hand under someone's armpit to determine temperature and time of death would be largely inaccurate. He also gave his own explanation of the bullet trajectories, which would later be highly questioned. And next on the stand was crime scene analyst Timothy Palmback, and he also specializes in blood spatter, and he spoke about the injuries that Paul and
Starting point is 01:42:24 Maggie sustained. And I don't think it'll shock you to hear that his findings were very different from the findings of Kenneth Kinsey, the crime scene analyst who testified for the state. Now the science of it goes way over my head, but from what I gathered, they really differed in their opinion on the trajectory of the bullets. Ultimately, it's his testimony that Hammer's home, the defenses belief that two shooters were responsible. He was the first person to really say it, but the defense had been hinting at it for the last four weeks. Mr. Palma, you have an opinion based upon a more probably the not whether there was one or two shooters who murdered Magging Paul on the 9th of June 7th. I did have an opinion of that. And what's your opinion? My opinion is
Starting point is 01:43:09 the totality of the evidence is more suggestive of a two shooter scenario. And one reasoning behind this conclusion is the impact of shooting the shotgun so close to Paul in the feed room would have at the very least temporarily stunned the shooter. He argues that it would have made it impossible for that same person to put the shot gun down, pick up the rifle, and shoot Maggie so many times. He also says that it's not logical for one shooter to bring two large guns with them,
Starting point is 01:43:35 lending itself to one gun per shooter. But like I've said, and like the prosecution has said, Alec was smart enough to make it look like there were two people involved. Lastly, John Marvin took the stand. And like many others who testified, he spoke about his relationship to the victims and the victims' relationships with each other. And he painted the picture of a happy, loving family.
Starting point is 01:43:58 He goes into finding out about the murders and then tells the jury how the next morning he went over to the kennels to see that Paul's blood and brains were still all over the feed room. John then explains cleaning his nephews' remains. To say that this testimony was emotional would be an understatement. He was then asked about the weapons on the property and the usage of those weapons. During cross-examination, the prosecution did a really good job reminding the jury that even Alex's own brother didn't know who he truly was. John testified that he didn't know about Alex drug addiction until September of 2021
Starting point is 01:44:35 and didn't know about his financial crimes, so who's to say that he also didn't know his brother was a killer. So finally, the defense rested after John Marvin's testimony. However, the state was able to bring in several rebuttal witnesses. And for a second there, Dick Harpoutian got sassy with the judge. And literally like a child, he starts saying that if they get a rebuttal witness, I want one too. I just, this is gotta end at some point. We spent two weeks on financial, two and a half weeks of the six weeks on financial
Starting point is 01:45:05 matters. In my opinion, it could have been done in a day. That's just my opinion. But I asked the court as we make objections to consider and maybe even proffer what they're going to put up before we get in front of the jury so that we can, you're honest, to make an evaluation before we start down that road for a half a day witness that may not add anything that they to the case. Thank you, Your Honor. A judge, Cliffed Newman, was having none of that shit and quickly shut him down. So among the rebuttal witnesses was forensic pathologist Dr. Ellen Reimer, who performed
Starting point is 01:45:41 the autopsy. She refuted the testimony of Dr. Jonathan Eisenstadt about Paul's wound being a close contact wound, therefore, refuting that Paul could have shot his mom and then himself. Another rebuttal witness was Mark Ball, Alex's former law partner. When testifying a second time, he spoke more about what Alex told him
Starting point is 01:46:00 about the night of the murders. He said that Alex changed his story about who he touched first, but he was confident he touched both bodies before calling 911. And this is really powerful. He testified that after 34 years of knowing Alec, he still effortlessly lied to his face. Crime scene expert Dr. Kenneth Kinsey was also called to testify again, and he completely rejected the idea that there were two shooters involved and shared calculations which proved that they were wrong, and said that it was incorrect to assume the shooter was 5-2. Dr. Kinsey also explained how there are many more factors to consider than just where the spent casings fall, such as if the shooter and victim are still moving.
Starting point is 01:46:42 The rebuttal witnesses took an additional two days of testimony and everyone was really getting tired of this shit at this point. But finally, the next day, the 12 remaining jurors and two alternates were taken to Mozel and actually given 30 minutes to see the property. That same day closing arguments finally began and it started with the prosecution. And I know this has been super long so I'm gonna try to keep this part brief. In closing, Craten argued that nobody beside Alec had the means, motive, and opportunity to kill Maggie and Paul. As for the motive, a financial storm was brewing and he was weeks if not days away from being exposed for stealing millions and millions of
Starting point is 01:47:24 dollars. Crate also asked the jury to use common sense many times, asking if it even sounds plausible for someone to be taking as many drugs as Alec claimed to be and still be alive, let alone be able to fool dozens of people that he interacted with every day. And while it may have been strange that two weapons were used, he asked the jury to consider how much knowledge Alec had regarding the law and how he would know exactly what to do to make it look like he wasn't the person response. And as for the means, Alec had everything that he needed to commit these crimes.
Starting point is 01:47:57 He explained how forensic evidence proved Maggie and Paul were killed with family weapons and how their property was littered with the same spent casings that were found next to Maggie's dead body. And as for opportunity, well, I think the Kennel video says it all. Alec lied about the most important thing he could have told investigators and an innocent man would have never done what he did. The cell phone and car data place him at the scene too close to when the murders happen for anyone else to have done this without Alec hearing or seeing something. And I really wish we had time here for me to play Creighton's full closing argument because it's very powerful. So I'll link it below if you want to check it out yourself. But in closing, he asked the jury to not allow themselves to become
Starting point is 01:48:40 victims of Alec Murdoch as well and to find him guilty. This defendant on the other hand has fooled everyone, everyone, everyone who thought they were close to him, everyone who thought they knew he was, who he was. He's fooled them all and he fooled Magi and Paul too. And they paid for it with their lives. Don't let him fool you too. So then it was time for the defense's closing arguments, and Jim Griffin represented the defense during those closing arguments, and he did what he could to convince the jury
Starting point is 01:49:21 that circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to convict. There are no murder weapons and no direct evidence such as Blood Spatter linking Alec to the murders. He says, sure, Alec was a liar in a thief, but he was also a loving family man who would never be able to do something as horrible as kill his wife and son. It was his addiction to opioids, according to Jim that made it so easy for Alec to lie and once he started lying, he didn't know how to stop. And he also said that even if you don't like Alex as a person,
Starting point is 01:49:49 that doesn't make him guilty of murder. Prosecutor John Meaders was allowed to give a rebuttal statement, which was a lot shorter than the other closing arguments. And out of everything he said, the thing that stuck with me the most was when he said he didn't know why Ale killed his wife and son. But if he had to guess, it's because he wanted to help the person he loved most, that person being himself. And honestly, when all this wrapped up, I really thought this was going to be a hung jury. I mean, there was so much that had been presented during the trial and both sides really did have points that were quite convincing. And there was a lot of talk in general about this jury being hung, or not even convicting
Starting point is 01:50:29 him because of how big the Murdoch influence is. I mean, who's to say that someone on the jury wouldn't litter be retaliated against? However, I was so happy, so relieved like many of you, that after three hours of deliberation, the jury came back with a guilty verdict. On Friday, March 3, Judge Clifton Newman sentenced Alec to two life sentences consecutively for the murders of Paul and Maggie. Mr. Mertau, I sentence you to the State Department of Corrections on each of the murder indictments in the murder of your wife, Maggie Murdo, I sent in to you for the term of the rest of your natural life
Starting point is 01:51:16 for the murder of Paul Murdo. And of course, despite all this, Alec maintains that he is an innocent man and says that he will continue to fight for his freedom through the appeals process. And it doesn't end for Alec there because he is still charged with 99 counts of money laundering, conspiracy, embezzlement, and more. And that doesn't even include the charges for his staged suicide attempt from September of 2021. So he is currently facing a double life sentence at the Kirkland Correctional Institution in Columbia, South Carolina, where I hope he wrought for the rest of his miserable life. The end. Okay, for real, I think that was the longest video I've ever done, and I'm exhausted. And my back really hurts, and I need to stop thinking about Alec Murdoch for at least
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