Undetermined - Introducing The Vanishing Point

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

Hoopa Valley is located in the Pacific Northwest. It is a beautiful place with a rich history and culture but this land holds a dark secret, the high rate of missing and murdered Indigenous people. The Tenderfoot TV team heads to Hoopa to investigate why this tribal community is vulnerable to these issues and to hear the stories that have been ignored for so long. Explore more at https://upandvanished.com/vanishingpoint/. Subscribe to Tenderfoot+ for ad-free listening and an exclusive binge at tenderfootplus.com. Follow the show at @thevanishingpointpod. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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a series of unsolved disappearances spanning decades, and we've been hearing about a lot of them. I've been following your new season about Ashley Lowe Brown. I'm sure you may have been contacted regarding the name of Alia Heavy Runner. Many of the missing and murdered are indigenous persons, and we wondered what factors make this tribal land a place where people just vanish. So we started looking into it.

People seem to be very hesitant to come forward because they're scared for their own safety. You don't know if she was trafficked. You don't know if she was murdered. What's even more crazy is that person whoever did it is probably someone we all know here. From Tenderfoot TV, I'm Celicia Stanton and this is the vanishing point an up and vanish series. Available now, listen for free on Apple podcasts. Hey, it's Pain.

I'm excited to tell you about a new podcast from the Up and Vanishing team. It's called the Vanishing Point. A staggering 600,000 people are reported missing each year. Most are isolated events, without any common thread. But in some cases, the victims are linked by one key detail, their location. The Vanishing Point transports listeners to the last known location shared by multiple missing individuals, uncovering new details about their cases and the significance of the area.

In this six-episode installment, we'll take you to Hupa, California, home of the Hupa Valley tribe, located in the Pacific Northwest. This area is known for its breathtaking landscapes, but there's more to it than just its natural beauty. It holds a haunting history of numerous unsolved missing persons cases. Join host Celicia Stanton in the Up and Vanishing team as we explore what makes this tribal land a vanishing point. Check out the first episode.

The vanishing point is available now. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast and do not represent those of Tenderfoot TV or their employees. This podcast also contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. This podcast also contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. What is happening to these women? Who do you think is praying on them? Are they the victims of trafficking serial killers that have maybe set their sights on more rural areas?

What do we know? Hi, I'm Celicia Stanton. And a few years ago, I was the victim of a huge financial crime. One that forced me to navigate the criminal justice system for the first time. It was that experience, actually, that prompted me to want to dig deeper into true crime stories, to tell them with the kind of nuance that I'd experienced firsthand. It all led to my podcast, True or Crime, where I tell the stories of real people, murdered, missing, and misled, with more context, more nuance, and a lot more questions.

I'm deeply interested in shedding light on the kinds of stories that we tend to brush under the rug. And that is what brings me here today, talking to you. By now, you might have heard about the MMIP movement. It's the movement for missing and murdered indigenous persons, and it's been steadily gaining nationwide attention over the last several years. Recently, I joined the Tenderfoot TV team, and they've covered some of these cases in their series, Up and Vanished. One year has passed since Ashley Loring was last seen on the Black-feet reservation. There's something wrong happening in Montana

and on these reservations, and the only way to fix this or move forward is to cover it and to talk about it. There's been an uptick and exposure for cases like Ashley's, and yet many of these cases are still overshadowed. In the ever since Up and Vanished Season 3, we've been hearing about a lot of them. I've been following your new season about Ashley Laurence. I'm sure you may have been contacted regarding the open and unsolved woman.

By the name of Alia Heavy Runner. My sister, a mother of two, was recently killed by her boyfriend. So now the up and vanish team is going to bring you along the gorgeous Pacific Northwest coast up to Hupa, California, home of the Hupa Valley tribe. This lonely stretch of foggy coastline is what something of as a doorway to heaven on earth, others as a gateway to hell.

There's a long list of unsolved cases here. We're going to look into five of them. This is the vanishing point, an up and vanish series. You have reached Tenderfoot TV. At the tone, please record your message. Hi, my name's Laura Freiter. I'm an investigative journalist based in Oakland, California. I'm working on a bunch of stories for the true River Tribune, the newspaper based on the Supervisory in Northern California.

We have various missing people out there, various unsolved murder cases, along with the few missing people cases that have been... Last year, we were contacted by Laura Frater, a journalist who'd been covering MMI P cases in northern California. She'd been writing these articles for the two rivers Tribune, the sole newspaper in Hupa Valley. I got into these cases because I studied federal Indian law as part of my PhD. And then one day I was thinking about getting back into journalism. I hadn't written for any publications in many years.

And I was on a database looking at statistics regarding missing indigenous women in Humboldt County. And suddenly I see Emily Rizzling on the list. 33-year-old Emily Rizzling, a mother of two, was last seen near this village in October. And then in the preceding weeks, I could not get Emily off my mind. She's my age. She has two young kids. I thought there must be like a newspaper in her community that's looking for coverage. And I can do that. I don't have to get paid. I don't care. I just want to be helpful in some way and use my PhD research in a productive way

Laura discovered the two of us Tribune and reached out to the staff Little did she know the paper was run by a soul employee Editor-in-chief Ali Hossler. I found Ali on Facebook I sent her a couple messages the craziest thing was she never checks her Facebook messages. She just happened to see my message that day saying, you know, I want to write about Emily Rizzling, are you willing? You don't have to pay me. She called me up.

That was gosh, 18 months ago now. Laura researched Emily Rizzling's case for months, interviewing family members over the phone and following tips. I wanted to write for the paper because I think that community news is democratic, it validates people's experiences and you should see yourself in your local community newspaper. Laura's first article was published last March. Okay, do you want me just to go through the like each PDF or stop between highlights? All right, I'm waiting from Part One of Emily's then.

Back in October 2021, Emily Rizzling 32, a mother to young children and a member of the Hoopla Valley Tribe, vanished. According to the York Tribal Police Chief Gregor Work, the last confirmed sighting of Rizzling was on Highway 169 on Pekwin Bridge on Monday, October 11th, 2021. Since Rizzling disappeared, her case has been marked by rumors. You hear things everywhere. At the store or people text you things,

they say they heard something from someone else, but no one wants to talk. There was only so much Laura could do from afar, and hundreds of miles away, Ali had her hands full on the front lines of multiple causes, all while running the newspaper by herself. Without gaining as much traction on the cases as they'd hoped, Laura suggested that they try to get the stories into an even bigger market. With podcasting, we all know that it's incredibly accessible. It's the modern way of storytelling. It's global.

And I wasn't super familiar with the American podcasting platforms because I'm not from the US. And then somebody one day at a yoga class says to me, have you heard of Up and Vanished? And I said, I haven't actually. And I looked it up and I thought, oh, they've actually covered a native woman for season three. So this seems like a great platform to reach out to.

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For generations, the Hupa tribe existed peacefully. Their lives interwoven with the landscape. But when the Gold Rush of the mid-1800s learned in hordes of white settlers, the Hupa way of life was disrupted forever. In 1851, the U.S. Congress created what we now know as the reservation system. In California, four reservations were created.

Hupa was one of them. Today, 3,000 people live on that land, many of whom are members of the Hoopa Valley tribe. Hi! How's it going? How are you? What do you think of Hupa? I like it so far. Yeah, it's like Scotland. Did you drive in from Reading today? From Urika. Oh, from Urika. Okay.

This is Ali Hossler. She's Indigenous and a member of the Hupa Valley tribe. Not only is Ali extremely proud of her heritage, but she possesses an exceptional wealth of knowledge about the history of her people. Hupa is, in my opinion, the most beautiful place in the world and it will always be the most beautiful place in the world. There's the Trinity River cuts through the mountains and flows through the Hupa Valley. The Hupa Valley is the heart of the Hupa tribe but are in sexual territory spans

into the mountain areas to quite a ways. The 92,000 acres of land the reservation spans is only about one-fifth of the Hupa tribes' original territory. Through all these years the Hupa people have maintained their fight to reclaim their stolen land from the federal government. We're very rooted in place. I know like during certain eras in the US people have been like, I think we'll just move, you know, get the heck out of here or go somewhere else or let's leave California. That's not an option for Hupa people. Hupa people are rooted here. This is home and it always will be. No one will ever leave. But Hupa is a 12 mile by 12 mile square.

It's a literal box that we were put in. But putting us in that box, in limiting our food supply, in limiting our cultural practices that we've been functioning under and cultural rules and cultural law for thousands of years in harmony with the land. To see us crumble as a people in less than 100 years

is really devastating. In an article from 2023, Ali wrote that the tribe hopes to regain over 10,000 acres of land. A victory that would allow them to manage natural and cultural resources that have been inaccessible to the hoop of people for over a hundred years. It's really off-balance now. They've put in dams on all these rivers. The flows aren't the same. The fish runs have been devastated. We're out of sync. And I think that's where

a lot of the unhealthiness of our people comes from now, like addiction, substance abuse, domestic violence, obesity, mental health disorders. I chalk that all up to the complete destruction of our way of life. Ali runs the newspaper, yes, but her love for her community runs deeper still. It reveals itself in all the ways she continues to show up, and all the ways she champions causes for her tribe. Working as a journalist in this community, I've sat in a lot of meetings and I feel like we talk about the same thing over and over for years on end. And there's a lot of money pouring in in this town

for help with different things, but it's not getting where it needs to be. Ali gave our team a tour of the land that her ancestors have called home for hundreds of years. As she showed them around, the somber truth of how her community has been neglected was inescapable, even in the small moments. I've got to have a wood stove around here.

Oh, I'm back, because you lose electricity constantly. Really? Yeah. How often? Um, lately, like, one or two times a week, and then sometimes for a week at a time. Like look at this place over here. You know, tarps for roofs, trailers with tarps over them. I mean, it's just people are living like this.

Children are living in this type of scene. I mean, if you just drive around Hupa aimlessly and look around, you'll see that the standard of living is really low. With her Hupa roots, Alia understandably has a lot of relatives in the valley. In fact, she's related to not one, but two of the folks whose stories will be covering this season. And one of those is Emily Rizzling. Her case is one of these saddest cases because it was a whole year that

there were so many opportunities to intervene and her family begged for help and the community begged for help and And the community begged for help. And the people who could provide that help didn't step up. Having followed Emily's case for some time, Ali introduced our team to the people who knew her best. You're good. I can skip you.

I am Mary Rizzling. Today I turn 25. I am Huba Yorak in Karuk. And I am the sister of Emily Rizzling. He went missing in October 2021. Growing up, she was my biggest role model. I wanted to be like my sister, I wanted to hang out with my sister any chance I got.

I was like her little shadow, I guess. I have older parents and so it was really me and my sister quite a bit. You know, she was my second mom. Just smart, beautiful, the most caring. She was always there for me if I needed something, if I needed someone to call, to confide in, it was her. She knew all my biggest secrets.

I don't know if she kept them secrets, but she was still who I talked to. She was always there for me. The Rizzling home is a living tapestry of Emily. Family photos are framed on every wall, proof that Emily used to be here. That she smiled and danced, that she was surrounded by people who loved her. In a glass cabinet, they keep her moccasins. The leather almost untouched.

All of it now, just a memory of the time before everything changed. Mental health was something that majorly affected her in the time that she went missing. In that time, you know, we didn't have the best relationship. And so we didn't spend a lot of time together in the last, you know, year or so. The article that Laura wrote drew a holistic picture of the person Emily was, a loving sister, mother, and friend. But also, like so many of us, a woman with her own struggles. Rizzling a university organ graduate who studied political science suffered

from severe health problems prior to her disappearance. I think people thought she was just on drugs or abusing other substances. Gonzalez explained. But what a lot of people don't realize is that it often starts with the mental health problems. And then people turn to other things to help them numb the pain. Emily was a very outgoing person in high school. She was president of her high school class for four years. She was really a go-getter.

This is Emily and Mary's mom, Judy Rizzling. After graduating from U of O, she went to work for a town of program and she helped a lot of other native people with resources, people that were having difficulties. When I said she was loyal, I always run into people that tell me how helpful Emily was to them in their time in need. After she had her daughter postpartum psychosis kicked in and she became pretty delusional. And it came to light that Emily was having some mental issues. And as that progressed, I think she started to perhaps self-medicate. I don't know. How do I know?

According to her family, despite their efforts to connect her to resources, Emily would slowly lose everything. With nowhere to live and concerns about her ability to care for her children, social services got involved, and Emily's two kids replaced in the care of her parents. It was hard for me to watch her not be with her kids or not take that responsibility. You know, I know how hard it was on her son to not be with his mother. You know, when she no longer had a house when she kind of let go of the person she was,

it was really hard for me to see her do that without being frustrated in her. And so, you know, out of my immediate family, I was kind of the one to confront her about that. And, you know, that did kind of push her away from our relationship. So that's why, you know, the last few times when I saw her, you know, I tried to let go of that. You know, I didn't try to focus on all the bad stuff this morning. You know, I get a minute or two of my sister. I've thought about this a number of times, really trying to pinpoint when the last time I saw her was.

I think she showed up at my mom's house and I was watching her daughter at the time. I didn't quite know what to do. At that point her mental health was pretty far gone. And you know, I had her one-year-old daughter with me trying to take care of her. I remember asking her where I could take her. And she said, well, you know, let's go to the bank. She had to get some money from the bank. I took her to the bank. And I remember calling my mom while she was in there. I said, you know, I don't know what to do. I really don't have anywhere to take her. I don't want to drop her off. You know, on the side of the street, it was really tough. According to the county, you know, she couldn't be this street, it was really tough. According to the county, you know, she couldn't be around her daughter at that time,

so I couldn't just keep her with me. I ended up driving her out to Hupa to her friend's house where she had been staying for the last few months. And it was like one of the hardest drives I've ever made. It was pretty rough, And it was like one of the hardest drives I've ever made. It was pretty rough, but I think that's the last time I saw her and at least at the end of that, I was able to give her a good hug

and I just said, you know, please stay safe. And like, I told her how much I loved her. Yeah, at least I was able to do that. Emily's life seemed to spiral further and further out of control until she was nearly unrecognizable to the people who loved her. In the depths of her struggle, she was often seen walking around town in various states of undress. Facebook posts on the local Hupa page show that residents were concerned and frustrated that there seemed to be no help for the quote naked

woman. I think California itself is a rough place to have a mental illness considering that you can't force somebody to get help unless they want it. So if someone is out of their right mind and doesn't think they need help, good luck, try and tell them. And that's the case with my sister. At a certain point, she thought everything was gonna be okay. So to tell you her that it wasn't okay,

this is not okay. You know, walking around naked, it's not okay. You couldn't get through to her. You couldn't. Emily was often times walking around nude and many times in Huba. They would just simply pick her up and give her a ride to where she wanted to go. I was constantly begging them to pick her up on a 50-150 and they were always saying that she didn't meet the criteria for that.

Code 5150 of the California Welfare and Institution's code permits police and mental health professionals to transfer an individual experiencing a mental health crisis. And they can do that involuntarily. The individual is brought to a facility for 72 hours for psychiatric evaluation and stabilization. To qualify though, you have to be gravely disabled or considered a danger to yourself for others. Emily was determined not to meet either of these criteria. For families like Emily's, a 5150 is often a desperate attempt to get help for their loved ones. When it isn't an option, family seek any viable

alternative, including intervention from the criminal justice system. including intervention from the criminal justice system. She did get arrested for a small fire in the Hupa Cemetery and they took her to jail. And really, as her family, we thought this is our golden ticket to get her some help. And it's a small community. We knew the people in the DA's office. So we had already been talking to them about trying to find a dual treatment facility for Emily.

And we went to court, even though everybody was advocating to keep Emily in jail until we could find this help for her, The judge decided to let her go. And it was within a week that she disappeared. Metrolinx and cross links are reminding everyone to be careful as Eglinton Cross-town LRT train testing is in progress. Please be alert, as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals, be careful along our tracks, and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Business notifications out of hand, Thrive Command Center keeps your customer

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You don't know what happened. You don't know what happened. You don't know if she was trafficked. You don't know if she was murdered. You don't know if she did suicide or what. Emily's father, Gary Rizzling, grapples with what might have happened to his daughter and how the system failed her. None of the systems are working. They're really incomplete.

It's a sad, sad, tragic thing that's happening. Emily's not the only one I talk to my cousins. There's plenty of people that walk around who, while either naked or yelling and screaming in the same boat. The last confirmed sighting of Emily was on Highway 169 at Pequan Bridge. Located across the clamorth river and a remote part of the Yura Reservation, Highway 169 dead ends at the end of the road. A bus full of children and a driver saw Emily that cold autumn day standing naked on the bridge. One student, the child of a tribal police officer, alerted his father.

When Emily couldn't be tracked down afterwards, concerned for her whereabouts grew. I drove down there a number of times to where she was missing and drove around by myself and looked around. But we need people that are knowledgeable about investigations and how to find someone. People that can serve warrants that can do interviews with people that are suspects. I believe if there was a proper investigation, she would have been found. There was no sign of Emily. She just vanished.

Mary told us that there wasn't a fully-fledged search party until a foundation focused on wilderness safety got involved six months later. They got search dogs, cadaver dogs, and they did a three-day search, and that was really the biggest thing to have happened in efforts to find my sister. You know, it wasn't successful. You know, the tribal agencies aren't equipped, you know, with enough people or knowledge to do something like that. That's why there's so many missing and murdered indigenous women and people on different reservations because there just aren't the resources, the manpower, to really do anything about it. I've heard stuff from tribal police departments and everything and people tell you why something can't be done.

I think it's idiotic to say, well, we don't have the manpower and we're not trained. Somebody has the responsibility. Oh, fully if there is another search, then, you know, we can get some answers. But at this point where I just stand still, it's just kind of sitting. You know, my mom calls law officials every week to try to get movement. And I just keep calling Sheriff Honsley every week. It takes him about three weeks to finally return my call. to finally return my call. I have told him my frustration with him and the Europe police. Now there were some jurisdictional problems because Emily is a

Hupa tribal member. She was last seen on the Europe reservation and then there's the Humboldt County Sheriff's Department. So, you know, who is going to look for her? Who is going to investigate it? So, who's in charge when someone is murdered or goes missing on tribal land? Particularly in reservations and village areas, there is a maze of jurisdictions, of policies, of procedures, of who investigates what.

And unfortunately, the Sheriff's Department put it in the lap of the Uro what. And unfortunately, the sheriff's department put it in the lap of the Uroch tribal police that kind of got it off of his lap. Of course, I don't think that was the right decision. I really feel like they don't have enough manpower to have searched on six months later. It has to be right away. It has to be immediate.

You can't wait six months then to go and try to find somebody. It was not uncommon for Emily to go for periods of time where nobody heard from her. This is Chief O'Rourke, the chief of the tribal police department that was put in charge of Emily's case. He elaborated on his experience with the search for Emily. So the family wasn't super-rained before making a report

until a greater length of time passed. And so, typically, when law enforcement starts to search, you start from a central point and then grid out from there. We weren't able to do that with Emily because we can confirm where she was last seen, but then we also had several unconfirmed reports of where she was rumored to be in or people she was rumored to have been around. And that was miles away when the formal police report came in of Emily being missing. I remember gathering my officers that were on duty and telling them, this is not going

to end well. And we're going to get called to the carpet. And you guys need to document everything that you do in this case. The terrain, the mental health, the substance use, the time of year, the circumstances. I didn't know how was going to end, but I didn't believe I was going to be a happy one. Chefore Rourke states that his department performed the best search possible, given the circumstances and resources. But Emily's family, well, they feel differently. So, has there been a thorough investigation?

I don't think so. The UROC police and Sheriff Hansel felt there wasn't enough evidence for another surge, which, of course, I thought was absurd because that's what we're looking for, right, is evidence. We strongly believe that there could be foul play involved. What made her not worthy of an immediate search? Is she not worthy of a full search because she was native? We're close to the ocean here. We have somebody that goes kayaking and disappearing. Oh, they've got the helicopters out.

They've got everybody searching. You know, was my daughter not worthy of that? But you can never give up. I'm never going to quit calling them. I'm never going to quit asking them for help. They just become kind of a thorn in somebody's side until somebody does something. I'm 71 now. Am I going to know something before I die? Of course, we keep that little bit of hope that Emily really is out there somewhere. You can give up on that,

and I can't give up on that for her children, but the odds are she is not. People that didn't want to talk to the authorities would call myself or Emily's dad and give them information, right? But the police just saw that as second-hand information, third-hand information, and they really couldn't do anything because they wanted those people to come forward to them and that was really frustrating. Judy told us about rumors that she and Gary had heard about their daughter's case,

including a map that they were told would lead to Emily's body. Well, it was a woman that she had overheard a conversation. We even have a map that she drew and it had a location where she felt Emily was buried. The police would later tell us that the map could never be substantiated. After hearing all this, we spoke with Sheriff Hanzel of Humboldt County Police.

We wanted to talk to him more about Emily's case and the tips that had come in over the years. One of the things that was really concerning was that there was a lot of people that knew information supposedly that didn't want to talk to us. Or basically said, oh, you should know the rumor out there is this and it'll get great,

but we can't act off of rumor. Can't write search words off of a rumor. If someone knows something, they need to come and talk to us. And we can write search words based upon first person I witnessed a moment. As someone said, I last saw Emily here.

She was hurt. Someone hurt her here, you know, or she was buried at a certain location. But people, you know, in small communities, love to talk. And rumors get started, and that could be very detrimental to investigations. You know, how missing person's investigation works is if we have a last known location and someone missing on a trail, then we know where to start. If someone is reporting missing in the area of the Hupa Valley Indian Reservation,

we don't know where to start. Without some kind of specific information, we don't know where to start. Without some kind of specific information, we're left at the mercy of who knew this person the most and where they could have gone. And that's the case of Emily Rizzling. When we asked the family what could have happened, they couldn't say for sure, but they don't think any theory should be shot down. And they're afraid law enforcement has written off some leads prematurely. She may have not been in the right mental state, but she would not have hurt herself.

Law officials are saying there was no foul play, even though she disappeared in a place with a lot of known convicts. You know, she was hanging around a lot of little shady people. And, you know, I know that something just went wrong. Police records say Emily's last known location was Pec Juan Bridge. But this place that Mary's referring to, the one rumor to be associated with darker activity, where Emily would sometimes be seen, that's just past the bridge.

Some people refer to it as the end of the road and it kind of is, there's not much there, there's no cell service, you know, there's no stores, there's a couple houses and that's all you're going to find down there than the road. Broken down cars, it is a beautiful place. If you think about the river, if you think about, you know, all the green forest, but since my sister was missing, I just think about how many people could be missing in that forest or that river.

Emily likely did not disappear around the Peck Wampridge. She disappeared at the end of the road. Now don't get me wrong. There are old native families that have lived down there their whole life, but when you get to a remote place like at the end of the road, people that are trying to hide from law enforcement, it is the perfect place for them. There are at

least six known felons that live in that area. She disappeared at the end of the road. You need to see the end of the road and then you're gonna have a different perspective of what could have happened to Emily. And when you see the end of the road, it's going to make you scared. Next time on the vanishing point. I have several theories, but then after talking to everybody and like their different

sightings and their different stories, I kind of think some bad might have happened with her and they're just all trying to cover it up. Do you think somebody knows? I think yeah, definitely somebody knows something more than they're saying, you know. Do you think more than one person? Yeah, I do. The vanishing point is a production of Tenderfoot TV, an association with Odyssey. I'm your host, Celicia Stanton. The show is written by Meredith Stadman, Alex Vespasad, and Jamie Albright,

with additional writing assistance by me. Executive producers, Adonal Abright, and Payne Lindsay. Lead producer is Jamie Albright, along with producer Meredith Stadman. Editing by Alex Vespasad, with additional editing by Sydney Evans. Supervising producer is Tracy Kaplan.

Additional production by Laura Freider and Ali Haasler. Research by Laura Freider and Taylor Floyd. Artwork by Byron McCoy. Original music by Makeup Advantage set. Mixed by Dayton Cole. Thank you to Orren Rosenbaum and the team at UTA, Back Media and Marketing and the Nord Group. Special thanks to Gregor Bork, the KIDE 91.3 radio station in Hupa,

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