Unpaid And Underrated - 020 : The Impact Zone of the Teeth

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Chris. They dive right into how to survive a zombie apocalypse, Kieth's divisive movie takes, chicken bakes, and how many bumper stickers are too many. Links Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) Our Guest On Instagram @chrishornick (https://www.instagram.com/chrishornick/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Chris.

I don't have a koozie. That is not good. Give me 30 seconds, folks. No worries. Dun dun dun dun dun! And welcome back to episode 79 of the Unpaid and Underrated Podcast, a podcast by crew for crew. I'm one of your hosts, Big Keith, and I'm joined by my good friend, Big Joey. Hi. And our special guest this week, Big Chris. Hello. Ahoy.

Now, Chris, I just saw you had a can in your hand. What is that this week, buddy? What you drinking? This is my usual. It's a spin drift grapefruit. Nice. You like the grapefruit. I always found grapefruit as a whole a little too tart. I agree. I don't like grapefruit, actually, but I like these.

So it's your usual that you don't like. So you're like a self-loathing, self-sabotaging man. Yeah. He doesn't like that. I can relate. I would not eat grapefruit, but I would drink this. Makes sense. I used to have a roommate that used to eat grapefruit.

And I got to tell you, the sounds that grapefruit makes, I think it's the reason I can never eat it. Because it just sounds like this weird, gross, fleshy. I think it's the reason I can never eat it. Cause it just sounds like this weird, gross, fleshy. I like, it sounds like something that Cardi B sang about. Right.

Like it's just disgusting. And I was just like, yeah, I'm like, that's not, I'm not interested in that. I haven't eaten grapefruit ever since actually. Yeah.

We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll leave all the grapefruit to Kai green. Yeah. Kai green. Sure.

I know. Okay. So there was a, there was a, there was there was a bodybuilder there's a there's a bodybuilder that like made a comment about how he used to have like actual have sex with a grapefruit and it was just a thing like i don't know no so that's that is a legitimate thing and um like i won't get too into feature like but it does require a partner and you just cut a circular ring of grapefruit and then have the partner perform things with the grapefruit yeah and apparently it's like the greatest thing in the world except for the fact that like now you're smelling and hearing grapefruit oh big big big chris's reaction to us talking about this was kind of classic yeah welcome to the episode, guys. It seems dangerous.

Like, you could get that in your eye. Yeah, my eye is what I'm worried about. Yeah, well, my, you know, the other eye. It's like getting soap in it. It's called a urethra. That's what we call it up here in Canada. I don't know what you guys have with your imperial system. Catheter holder. I should have saw that coming what about

you joe what are you drinking tonight you said you didn't have a koozies but i'm assuming you i got nothing fancy i got some keats i got some cola flavored sparkling water and i've got a strong ipa i didn't need to try that like bland or like the cola flavored uh IPA. I do need to try that like bland or like the cola flavored sparkling water of some sort. I just need to find one locally if I can. It sounds intriguing enough to maybe

wean me off Diet Coke. So we'll see. What IPA do you have? Two technically. So Keith's is technically an IPA, but it drinks more like a yogurt or yogurt, a lager. Look what's on my head. And the IPA I have is the Juicy Ass by Flying Monkeys out of Barrio Ontario. It's very, very citrusy, very easy drinking, but it's like 7%.

And I'll probably have that right when we're getting ready to go off so I can go to bed. I don't have to work tomorrow and I don't really have anything planned until like 9 o'clock so I'm indulging in some really hard booze tonight I got my Michelob Ultras I got three of those lined up ready to have a good time I also don't work tomorrow I also am on a deload

tomorrow is the Apple launch so for all of you Apple nerds out there and if you guys know what I do I I do a lot of work with Apple. But I refuse to work on Apple launch day because it brings out the worst in people. And, you know, my bosses are all like, it's a big sales day. We're going to make tons of sales. Everybody's going to be there asking about the new phone.

And as the person who has worked on the floor for the last 10 years, I will tell you, no, we are not. No, you will not. No, they will not. It will be a terrible day all around. I'm not going in. It's not a bad idea.

I see. Are you even wearing a mass nomic shirt this week? Like I'm a mess. I'm not getting much Jason massonomics adjacent, but I'm wearing a big grant strength shirt. Actually, actually I got this from them at the arnold when they were giving away like 200 shirts or something on like friday morning to

the first x amount of people that showed up so damn it that was pretty cool that was uh right when i met grant and got a free free shirt and a good picture with him and all that jazz i got a flag and a freaking great deal on plates but i did not get a shirt but that's okay because they, because they were running this competition, and it was like, if you can do 600 pounds for reps, you get a free shirt. And I was like, I can't do that for a single, so I don't need your shirt. And then I still got a good flag. So if I pull 405, will you give me a crop top? I'd wear a crop top. I think I have one.

The math on it was funny, but I guess not. No, I don't do math. That's up for our future guest, Big Matt. Never heard. Chris, what are you wearing, buddy? I'm wearing my Lift Hard, Lift Easy

that I got at the meet. That's a popular one on here. I know. I thought about wearing the high bar or something else uh something i like the the buffalo one i can't remember that white shirt but i couldn't find it this morning but i wanted to represent you know the hills a little bit more but i couldn't find it this morning so it's this one that's the raw power right the red one morning so it's this one that's the raw power right the red one no the no it's the marijuana one um well that's the high bar high bar no well there's high bar and there's the white one that god i own it so i know i have it welcome to our new segment uh chris poorly explains

massonomics t-shirts i know it's at the Times. Is that what it is? I can't remember what it says. Even I talked to Tanner about it. He's like, oh, I love that shirt. We didn't, you know, they were talking about it. Oh, okay.

That must be before my time. Yeah, it must be an older one, I guess. Maybe. I don't know. I'll have to get a photo of it and send it to you when I find that shirt.

Yeah, we'll repost it to the AIG. Is the shirt in the room with you right now? No. When I find that shirt. Yeah, we'll repost it to the AIG. Is the shirt in the room with you right now? No. I'm actually at work. I just stayed. It's only 630 here, so I just stayed late for work and did it on my office. Because I have kids and dogs and cats at home.

It'll be loud. I figured this would be way easier. Doing the podcast on company Wi-Fi. That's the spirit. Oh, yeah. Now that's actually funny. Cause I wanted to talk about Oliver Anthony and that actually is right up. Yeah.

I just wanted to throw it in there. Cause I know that there was a lot of chat about him in the, you know, in the discord. And then we even posted some memes and stuff about him, but you know, he kind of, once that, once that song kind of blew up, and we even posted some memes and stuff about him. Once that

song kind of blew up, he kind of fell off a little. But I just wanted to point out that once he found out that people were charging $95 to see him, he immediately refused to play any shows that charged more

than $25. He stepped in and said, you cannot pay more than $25. Yep. So he stepped in and said, you cannot pay more than $25 to see me. And I just think that's, that was dope. I just wanted to bring that up just as a followup to like, It's interesting. Cause it's like,

well, is he a socialist or is he, cause he's obviously getting paid a flat rate and the venues like charging as much as they can. So like I'm, I'm pro that like reducing ticket prices and this whole ticket master deal in the U S is a mess. So I'm pro it,

but yeah, I'm not going to get that too involved in who he is or what he does. But for a guy out there talking about how, like we're all getting screwed by people making way more money than us he was just like well i'm gonna literally put an end to that like i'm gonna stand in between that yeah and like i just does just big ups like he's a i've just been following him for a little bit and i know he got talked about on this podcast the sister podcast and that's really cool yeah i'm a big fan of him uh i actually i'm not i don't really

i've never listened to joe rogan episode i think i've listened to one joe rogan episode before it was louis simmons like years ago i don't think it's live because louis said a bunch of fucked up shit that he shouldn't have said and like you can't even find the episode uh but i went out of a way when i saw he was gonna be that oliver anything was on joe rogan that i downloaded that and it was annoying because i had to go to spotify because he's like spotify exclusive and all that so i don't like listening to podcasts on spotify and well at least i couldn't find anywhere else but uh nonetheless i followed up you know listen to that and really enjoyed it in general just listen listen to this whole story uh but i think i did see the thing that you were talking about where he like was

all pissed off that they were charging like you know x amount of dollars for his tickets and i think he ended up still having to do that show because he was on contract and honor bound, but he made a point going forward, like $40 max or something like that. So I think that's cool. That's funny. I heard Angle was on last week because Big Steve keeps messaging me

about when there's wrestlers on Joe Rogan and I just don't have Spotify. I have no patience for podcasts in general, so I just don't listen to Joe Rogan. And, but like you send me all these people and think, damn it. Like,

I kind of want to listen to that, but like, who's got the time. Who's got the time. Rogans are always like three hours or more. I think too, which we're starting to creep up on that or something. I guess we don't have much of a leg of a stand on that argument.

I know. I was thinking that too. Yeah. Three hours. hours i'll show you not a good pitch for your show which one that i have no patience for podcasts oh yeah that is like you're creeping up on you know they've been getting longer and longer yeah don't don't follow me on instagram and then people are like i agree and then they follow me on Instagram. Don't do that. I at least feel like we haven't been forced and I'm like, I don't feel like we're just like killing time to say we had a two and a half hour episode.

It's just like, fuck, we cut the last one short because I had to get to bed and I had fucking people in the room. So it's like, that could have been a three hour episode with Steve because we could have just kept going into shit. I could have went on about breakfast for hours. Yeah. I love breakfast foods.

And yeah, we're not forcing it or anything, but we're essentially recreating the Discord. No. But putting it into a podcast form for the Discord to listen to. And it's just like, just pulling strings and focusing on, you know, we'll go hard-lined on shit that people don't actually matter. Right? Like, stuff that doesn't matter. So, yeah. focusing on you know we'll go hard-lined on shit that people don't actually matter right like stuff that doesn't matter so um so oh i'm wearing the huge life shirt i should have brought that up earlier it's a good one now is that now that wouldn't be in a medium still probably fits you really good because that like huge life is one of larger, at least my huge life fits bigger than what it normally would.

I guess. It's doing its job right now. I'm not uncomfortable. That, that t-shirt I was talking about is the high planes. Okay. That's what, I think I remember that.

Yeah. I vaguely remember that. It shows Mount Rushmore on it. Yeah. Buffalo. Is it actually Rushmore or is it like, did they put their spin on who was on the the faces on it i think it's actually rushmore okay okay lazy lazy lazy massonomics couldn't have even put power lifters on that these guys i'm telling you

well i feel like if there was a mount rushmore crew, I think the guys with tattoos might have to at least be in the running on that. So we did get a new inductee to the Masonomics crew tattoo holder club. We're not sure who it is yet. By the time you're listening to this episode, it might be public knowledge. I have a feeling, it's just a guess, but last night, whoever was supposed to be on the Mastodonomics podcast had to cancel kind of last minute. So the boys just kind of pulled an audible and had a special guest on and kicked us off the discord and didn't tell us who it was. And I could be completely off base, but I do have an inkling it might be that whoever got a tattoo. Just because Tanner kept saying it's someone who's really well known, but not well known for being a crew.

So it's just like i don't know so it seems like it could be someone that's like somewhat famous but just not necessarily like active in the discord but very curious to see that yeah he did he did say it was somebody who was crew but not active crew right so probably dan bell like yeah i was thinking bell or old ham because old ham neither of them really ever posted much, if anything. We'll figure it out. It'll be fun. I welcome them into the crew. That's four.

That's four people. Now, is it the Tad crew? The Tad crew? The Tad crew. It sounded like it was going to roll off my tongue better than when I was assuming I'm missing it. We're the Wolfpack. We'll be the Wolfpack.

A lot of Wolfpack talk. A lot of Wolf talk the last few weeks. I feel like I'm at the gas station 24-7 listening to the episode. Got to be gas station ready. I love that you brought that up in that episode, talking about truck stops.

To me, I've lived in South Dakota for a while now, and I never thought anything of it. And when you brought that up, I was like, yeah, this is insane. This is insane that they're selling swords and porn. Truck stops are weird places. And they're in the middle of nowhere. First time I've ever seen a sand crane was at this random truck stop. And I look over, I was like,

Hey, those are some small deer. And like, no, they're giant birds. And actually I think our favorite one, I think my favorite one was in South Dakota or Minnesota. And it was a full on truck stop with like showers and a gym and like a pool

table. Oh, wow. Yeah. You're like're like really and like it's all pay-per-use obviously but like i just you forget how much trucking gets done i guess along the plains because i live in a city and we either train everything or fly everything here so that yeah but yeah wolves and two dollar energy drinks that I pay $5 for up here. Like it was crazy.

The one here in town has a bar and has bands. A bar and a band and a truck stop. Yeah, like they have bars, they have bands every weekend. Like it's, it's wild. Okay. So have you ever seen then Keith? We're going to get back to the movie talk. Roadhouse. Yeah. have you ever seen then keith we're gonna get back to the movie talk roadhouse yeah i thought you're gonna go i thought you're gonna go maximum overdraft because that has like a very uh hardcore

um like truck stop it's got like everything in it well i figured that's actually what roadhouse was that was like a truck stop bar right bands behind the fence and stuff like that. That's a classic. That's a great movie. Yeah, I can think they're remaking it with your buddy The Rock. No, no, sorry. It was initially supposed to be The Rock, but now it's Jake Gyllenhaal. They're remaking it? I think like 10 years ago, like 5 or 10 years ago, they were talking about doing it with The Rock.

But I think they've actively already filmed or are filming it Jake Gyllenhaal as Patrick Swayze. Don't quote me on that, but I'm like 90% sure that's accurate. They don't'm like 90 sure that's accurate they don't need to do that yeah yeah you don't need to do that roadhouse is fine the way it is yeah i'm a big big swayze fan i'm not a big swayze fan i'm a big roadhouse fan big jeff healy fan pain don't hurt i like that i do like that line like that uh so in a rare like occasion i've actually got a few things here in the general that like we almost never talk about and i almost i almost never do this because you brought up the

rock already so the rock returned to smackdown last week i saw that on Instagram, I think. Yeah, and it had the most independent views of any of their videos. Oh, wow. 103 million people watched that replay on YouTube. That's ridiculous. That's an astonishingly large amount of numbers. Yeah, so there is a chance The Rock is probably going to headline

at WrestleMania 39. He might come in and go after Roman Reigns. I like to bring up wrestling talk every once in a while because there's like an 88% chance that who we're talking to is a wrestling fan. Or at least was at one point in their life. Yeah. But then I also have plates, just the word plates. I saw that.

I was like, I'm thinking he's trying to say the strength of a bumper. Maybe he's talking about a new kitchen plate. Like, I don't know. No, no, no. This one's here. This one's out here just to, that was to create the illusion and to, and to have you guys guessing. This actually comes from our good friend, corn fed word, corn fetty. Big Eddie W. Yep. Plates in or out guys, when you are lifting with steel plates, are they facing towards you or are they facing out?

And Eddie, Eddie wants a hard opinion on this. I have a very strong opinion. Uh, I load my plates competition style. So first plate and all other plates out, anything else is wrong. I,

from day one, all in. That's what it was years ago but yeah once I started competing I just I don't know if I could change now I don't think I could change okay so I don't have a lot of steel plates I only have the hundreds and one set of 45s um and all in always all in um I think it never occurred to me to even think about it i don't and i see eddie be like you know does anybody have like a hard opinion on this i was just like how do you have a hard opinion on the way you're like weight is weight but then i realized i make sure every time

in so like i don't have like a hard opinion and i think if i walked up to the bar and they were facing the wrong way i don't think i'd have like a panic attack or something like that but it's yeah i just wanted to get your guys uh thoughts on that now competition yeah i think as long as you do it the same way i'm okay with you as a person like if you like put one in and one out and like every other day there's something like like i'm talking left side in right side that would give me a panic attack if i saw that yeah that's and that's so weird but at the same time like i wonder would i care like if i walked up and like the because i have the the strength cool plates and then i have some neoprene plates and like would i genuinely care if those neoprene plates were like

floating in the middle because i accidentally turned them outwards and but i can't see them i can't see that no when i put them on i would notice it's that's really funny that like people have opinions on that so i have a bigger opinion about so like like, I'm very stern in my, you know, I just, I personally like just loading them like competition. It's just like a tick. Um, what I have a bigger opinion about what I will judge you for is if you put

the plates on the plate tree face in, like if you, because, because I have like literal thousands of weights. So I've got like, you know, 70 some pairs of 45 or 50 pairs of 45 or whatever, like people that always put the plates in,

it makes it that much harder to get the plates off the plate tree so that i always like i have a rule about that like like just put the like you know the the dumbbells get re-racked a certain way and all the plates get racked face out because if not it's a safety hazard because if i go to like grab a plate and it's got the fucking flat side not the lip and you know it's very yeah that's really fun i put i my hundreds face out but my 45s are face in because i put my 45s at about um core level so i just grab them full i just pull like i don't use the lip for any reason i'm doing a full like handle so i don't care but the hundreds i do have to hold by the lip so i have them on the bottom of the plate tree. So they have to face out,

but I'd never, I'd never even thought about it. That's so fun that people care that much about that kind of stuff. It's just, it's just easier. Like whatever is easier, faster and safer. And then once I find what works,

I, that has to be implemented throughout the entire gym. So at the commercial gym, the last few weeks, having to grab plates of all, well, like mismatch plates to like, that's what like this commercial gym, last few weeks having to grab plates of all well like mismatched plates too like that's what like this commercial gym they have tons of plates but they have like

like 5 000 pounds of this brand 5 000 pounds of that brand 5 000 you know everything's just intermingled so like it takes a while i have to keep walking from plate tree to or like you know one side of this because they have like a big rogue uh like crossfit kind of rack thing with thousands of pounds on it so with like four different pairs of 45 styles and change plates, you have to kind of like pick through to get, cause I want all my plates to be the same brand. So it takes a while to kind of get enough weight to actually match. So it was a little tedious at times,

but yeah, uh, I'm curious, did big Eddie share his opinion on it? Cause I could see him not caring. I did not. He, he simply just asked

the question and i was just like well i'm throwing that out there because he asked if if there was a podcast where people legitimately cared about it and i was like well we could be that podcast but i wonder if he's even listening if you are eddie shoot me a message and let me know uh but yeah that yeah, that's my plate talk. The Strength Go did release bumpers, but as somebody who doesn't do anything involving bumpers, I

have zero opinion on it. The cool thing about those are, there's not a whole lot of American-made bumpers, if any, that I know of. Everyone gets the same rubber hex dumbbells from the same plant, the same two or three plants in China, and just white labels them same thing with bumpers like bumpers are not well known for being american made because they're so expensive and toxic to make basically because it's like so they have to do them where there's less epa guidelines and shit over there

uh but i'm sure i didn't do any research so like how grant got them made or what they're made of but still pretty cool that they're made in America. Are they super wide or anything? Are they thinner? Like I could see getting bumpers for deadlifting just to be quiet in the house, you know? Yeah, they didn't look thin. I mean, they looked as, I wouldn't say they look bigger than like a standard, like, like entry level rogue, rogue bumper.

I think he said the, the 45s were like 3.6 inches. No, yeah. rogue bumper. I think he said the 45s were like 3.6 inches. Oh yeah, because there wasn't because when he posted that I put the emoji of scant and then the one with the holding up the two fingers to indicate a small wang. So that was pretty funny. Speaking of funny, everyone likes

to judge my opinion on shows and movies. So fuck all you guys that have a super hard opinion and get butthurt about my opinion of things because i don't think we're the butthurt ones no everyone's judging my opinion you sound angrier than most of us well i'm just defending that i'm allowed to have an opinion you're allowed to have an opinion too um but i just wanted to recommend a show to people um and just kind of give you a little glimpse of like what I think is hysterical. The show on Netflix called Sex Education.

Like I think the fourth season just dropped today. I actually watched like three or four episodes of it when I got home. I was just kind of killing time. So that's the kind of shit I find funny. I like I like like I don't know. I just like coming of age stuff and sex comedies and like like, you know, I don't do drugs or anything like that anymore. But it's just like shit like that. I find funny.

I don't find someone pretending to have a mental disability to be funny like i just never have like i don't find that kind of stupid where it's like borderline mocking mental retardation like i don't find that amusing oh but somebody like me who has a you know who's neuro spicy pretending to be normal yeah you're tuning in for that aren't you um okay so i'll i'm here for it i'll watch sex education if you watch auntie donna one episode each all right remind me of that text do that in the text because i was like i know you mentioned that like three times that i keep forgetting the name of it yep auntie donna my buddy big chris today that i work out with on sundays was also a big also Big Chris Mark in the Discord.

He recommended one of those, what's like the really popular anime where these big creatures attack on Titan, I think it is. He keeps getting me to try to watch that. I don't know. I gave the pilot five minutes and I was like, oh man, I can't watch this. I feel bad

because he's watched a couple movies I've recommended and he keeps trying to get me to watch that. But I don't know if I have it in me to pull a whole episode down of that, but I'm just not really an anime guy. So I don't know. Do you guys want to rate last week's episode? Do I? Yeah.

With Mr. Big Mouser. I think I did it. He seemed very – oh, yeah, speaking of Mouser, I'll go. I think he might be the first guest that was like a guest on the podcast and joined crew like the same week so or at least the first one that i've known about so i thought that was pretty cool so i enjoyed the episode uh there's a lot of good banter back and forth across the board so and especially since the uh i think he actually he followed our page i think he i think he pretty much followed like like all of us so at least like

you know i know he followed all my like all three of my much followed all of us. At least, you know, he followed all three of the Instagrams I have access to. So I thought that was really cool. So I hadn't really heard of him or known of him since then, but I'll be keeping an eye on him now since he's Crew. So since someone joined Crew out of the episode, I'll go ahead and give it a 5 out of 5 JD powers.

What about you, Chris? I loved it. I didn't know that much about him beforehand and he sounds like a wild man he just sounds kind of creepy i i mean i love the just the interview overall um but also just the show banter afterwards was excellent so five jds all the way. Yeah. I've always discovered that like, I really enjoy when somebody is on the podcast that gets it right when you, and there, there's two versions of it. There's the person that gets it halfway through that.

I love where they're just like, they finally clue in that we're not going to ask you any of that crap. And then when they find it overrated, underrated is just for them. And then suddenly they're just like, I get it. I love listening to that because you can almost hear it. But somebody who gets it before the interview even starts and just starts just having fun immediately always makes a better podcast. So I'm going to give it the highest rating I've ever given it's five jd powers that's unprecedented so that'll uh definitely that'll that brings up the average to uh let me uh we'll have matt do the math for us with his textures texas instruments calculator and get back to us on what that average actually is but i think

it's a maybe a five so big math big Big math. What are you, big math now? You got me there mid-drink. That was a good one. Well, I think we have something special in store for everyone. Mr. Big Chris is going to do a little ad read for us. Broadcasting large in front of a live Discord crew audience. This Monday and every Monday from Northwest Eastern South Dakota and Southeast South Dakota,

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though all apparel with exception of hats, strongly encouraged. Well done. I really enjoyed that. You're welcome. I work for, I work for a radio group, so I have to listen to people do radio ads all the time. Oh, that's fun. Oh, radio ads. So like those ones where it's just two people talking to each other and repeating the same thing over and over again.

Do you have to deal with those? I don't have anything hardly to do with the radio side. All my side is like computer, nerdy Google stuff and marketing. But the company also owns five radio stations. But the one I know exactly what you're talking about, or if someone starts to add with, hi, I'm so-and-so and I'm with, no, no, I don't care who you are great yeah zoned right out but

it'll be like if i was like are you telling me this is only 299 and then you would say yeah it's 299 and then i would go keith did you know this is 299 and then we would just do that for like a solid 25 seconds. And they're like, yeah, that ad, put that ad out there. People will clue in and they'll come to our shop to spend that $299. And it's just like, no, we hate you. Everybody who has had to listen to that ad now hates your business, hates those people. We don't even know who they are. But that's why I pay for SiriusXM. I really need to invest in YouTube Premium because as much YouTube as I watch, it's fucking

brutal getting through the ads sometimes. It's just like I probably waste 20 minutes of my life, 20 minutes a week, give or take, watching ads on YouTube. That's a lot. But how many subscriptions do you need i just consume a lot of media like you got so you got your palaton right you got your whatever the other one is that fits under the bed you've got your massonomic subscription you got

netflix amazon like it's all it's like we all live in a microtransaction world. EA Sports invented us and we're all just walking around giving them money just to exist. I'll put up with ads just to not give YouTube any money. All day, every day. Today, we were watching Mr. Rogers with my kids and an ad came on and then I was like, you know what? No, I'm still not paying you buggers like in fact i'm gonna click on the ad and charge the person who put this ad on my mr rogers youtube because every time you click on it it that's how they get charged and that's what you get for interrupting mr rogers i'm not even gonna buy your product but you're gonna pay for the fact that i watched this

i feel pretty lucky i've got a really good friend I used to work with that works for a cable company and he's on the down low, hooked me up with all his logins because he just watches cable on his TV and doesn't need the logins to all the apps. I get approximately $100 worth of free shit so it kind of makes everything else

a wash that I do pay for. If he ever leaves that company, I'm going to be like fuck. You guys all heard it here first. Keith is a pirate. Pirating. Full on just pirating. I've been quarantined since 2003. Where's your bandana? Yarr!

I think Mouser's got some bandanas for you there. Alright. Well, I think we might as well do our thing and get that guest on the horn that is we typically do i know we got you want to dive right in yeah i know we uh you know we everyone's getting everyone has an opinion about how long the episodes are so we probably ought to try to get the guest on the horn all right uh big craze is that you that is i hey welcome you're live on the unpaid and underrated podcast the podcast about crew by crew for crew featuring crew

thank you for having me you're both gentlemen i would seldom get called that we appreciate it yeah yeah look i mean you want to lie to me to gain my favor? I'm in. Oh yeah. I mean, you're already on the, you're already on the podcast. You don't have to suck up anymore. You're already made, made it to the big time. Oh, it's kind of fun to see you guys again since, you know, Aberdeen. That was, you know, you know, from that first meeting was, you know, awkward where you're just walking around trying to meet people, you know, at Tanner's house to, you know, now this. Oh, and trying to just remember everybody. I, I think I met the same people three times that weekend. I listened to last week's episode, Steve's episode and forgot

who he was. And I looked him up on Instagram. I'm like, Oh yeah, that's Steve. Oh, Steve. That's half, half the reason I liked on this podcast, is I want to get everyone to follow everyone on Instagram. I keep harping on it, but I feel like no one's really following through. Go follow the fucking guest on Instagram. There's a 99% chance they'll follow you back if you have a bunch of

Masanomics mutual friends. Grow this community. It's not only on Discord. We're kind of segwaying it over on Instagram, so you get... Just grow your over on Instagram. So you get, you know, just grow your circle of friends. So with that, where are we going to find you on a Instagram? Big Chris.

I am not very original. I am at Chris Fornick. That's it. That'll work. That that'll work. That's how, you know, he's really happy with something.

Cause he says that'll do. That'll do know he's really happy with something just because he says that'll work that'll do that'll do don't care that's a sound park in there well uh chris what brought you to maxonomics buddy i want to hear the whole uh indoctrination indoctrination well i used to be in a traveling band and used to just you know when i wasn't driving i'd be scrolling through instagram and i would always see the verses like it just got pulled up in my feed you know how the algorithm worked and i don't know if i followed them or not but then eventually I saw that they posted a billboard in Aberdeen. And I was like, there's no way they're from Aberdeen. Like I assumed it was like a national company or something. And then, so I followed them on Instagram, started listening to the podcast,

you know, gave them a rating. And like, i've met tommy before in the past actually and like i know some of tanner's family it's like it's super small world out here are you in crew falls no i am in crew hills black hills so i'm in rapid city oh i wonder if i went through that no i didn't i went somewhere else well that's really fun really fun. Because even our bartender at the hotel we were staying at worked with Tommy's wife at another job or something like that. She just saw the shirts and she was like, oh, you guys are here for the thing. And we're like, yeah. And then she just gave us this whole story. It is a super small world.

But I mean, when you have those little cities. Yeah. Little towns. Rapid City, I feel like it's the biggest small town in america like it's small but big enough you know you can do it basically anything here but everybody knows everybody like it's yeah it's bad that way i've i've heard of it so it can't be that small yeah right that's kind of the joke or if you know the name it's not a small town anymore yeah absolutely well then so while you're traveling with the band like how did you get into powerlifting um so i used to be in a band called judd hoose and

basically would i just got interested in lifting. I think I just didn't want to be like, I'm not, I would naturally weigh like 30 pounds less. I'm natural skinny white boy. And just started lifting like a couple of times a week. The drummer in the band, Shane, he's lifted forever. And I used to lift with him on and off, but just started lifting and more and more.

And then around, I think 2017, like I remember I read starting strength. That was like my first, like, oh, I'm getting serious about this. And then I, you know, started, you know, lifting as much as, you know, three times a week. And I, I thought like, oh, I'll lift it three times a week. I'm taking this so seriously. And like, you know, you just start doing it more and more, but then 2020, it was actually right before the pandemic. I did my first meet on the way to a gig. Like I was going from, uh, Gillette, Wyoming to Lusk. You have not heard of that town. Um, and I, I, I swung around,

like took my own vehicle and went to Casper and they were having their Wyoming state meet. And I just did it as a guest lifter just to, you know, it was like USPA. So yeah, that was my first meet. And then just, you know, that had the bug ever since like it meets are so much fun so i mean you know but not as much fun as the massonomics i mean that's about as much fun as you can have it's gonna be it's gonna be hard to top that yeah so speak speaking of lift hard live easy what was uh what was your experience that weekend like the meet the the when did you get in town because i didn't see you i don't think i met you until maybe the meat i mean i i'm did we talk at tanners at all i yeah we talked briefly yeah we talked briefly at tanners um kind of when there was a mass exodus um i didn't get i did the

late way into the problem is i only live like six seven hours away so i just left in the morning like i just drove there from the morning. I'm like, no, no reason to take Thursday off if you can just, you know, get away with it. Yeah. So I just drove there and did right to the way in. Um, as far as lifting, like I, I went into the meet kind of like, I would say I was hurt. I wasn't injured. I was dealing with some pretty not fun hip pain. So I was kind of scared the entire time. Like I took a started super light on my squat and deadlifts. I just went like my, my wife, my wife honestly, uh, tried to, like, I was talking about not doing the meat. I was like, and she's like, you have to do this. You, this is going to be so much fun, but from the get go

from weighing in and, you in and seeing Tommy and Tanner, and I saw a few other crew later on weigh in, so much fun. Going to Tanner's, that was... And then the after party at the zoo, seeing Jonathan Oldham. I saw him at another meet in Dickinson, North Dakota. But seeing him again, he's such a good dude. it was good to put a face to these internet names. That's what was, I thought the coolest thing is like, Oh yeah, I know big Eddie. Like you, you know, and yeah, he's a, you know,

he's kind of a crazy bastard. Like, you know, I just even like when I first saw Tommy and Tanner, you're like, this is weird. It's just weird seeing people from the Internet come alive. That was that was weird. What's your first reaction? Like most of ours. Wow.

Those guys are tall. I actually wrote that down as one of my questions for you. So we'll exit out. But that was like that was like, oh, man, because most power lifters are short. like it's a short man's game like you don't want to be tall you want to be the shortest person in your weight class i yeah i do i think i remember i can't remember if it was in the warm-up room or like in between uh competition or something i could have swore i was talking to you briefly at the meet and you remember you telling me you were hurt or whatever so you were opening kind of conservative

and then you did like a 60 pound jump on all your seconds or something crazy like that if i recall but it am i remembering that right yeah i did uh like i was going into squats and i my last warm-up was i think like just like 315 and then um I opened up with 365 which would normally be like that might be my last warm-up and then I did 405 and then it and I thought about not doing the third because it was pretty painful um but then just did 425 just uh I was like I'm already here like what are you gonna do like you're already like it's like it's gonna hurt but okay like you'll live like take the you know live, like take the, you know, I took it easy the next, you know, a couple of weeks after and I was fine,

but yeah, those, those big jumps, I don't know. It was a little scary, but it was fun. I thought the spotters and loaders and no one else talked about this on the sister podcasts, but they were good at hyping you up. Like I remember, I specifically remember I was going for like my second and I was like, Oh, I haven't been able to, I haven't been able to lift heavy because it was, it was just painful. Like it was just painful to lift heavy. Um, I could squat light for a ton of reps and be fine. But I remember like racking four or five, unracking it and walking it out and kind of feeling wobbly.

Like you're like, Oh shit, this sucks. And he was, and then I like kind of settled. He was like, Oh, you got it.

Like, he just like, he just said like, Oh, you got this. Like just that little bit of like hyping you up. I was like, yes,

I do. I'm going to do this and just smoke the rep. Like it was no big deal. Like, you know, that made a big difference on my day. I agree. That's why they're the best, right? That's the, no big deal. Like, you know, that made a big difference on my day. I agree. I,

I, that's why they're the best, right? That's the, the, the best loading and spotting crew in the Midwest. Yeah. We're trying to get,

we're trying to get one or two of them on as a guest to the future. So keep, keep, keep, keep an ear out for that. We'll get diet Tanner on just so you can look him in the face. Be the only one that called you that. That was such a good moment. I really enjoyed that.

So as being a member of the Judd Who's band, I kind of want to just paint a picture here. You started listening to their podcast. Did you end up going back to the back episodes or did you just start picking it up fresh?

I asked that. I guess I'll interrupt you. Because I remember it might have been some of the older episodes. So like 15, 16, 17. I think that's when it was talked about. But like they've talked about your band, you know, your three or four times, like three or four different episodes over the course of like seven years. So like, especially if it was like an older episode you were listening to it was like oh they're talking about me and my buddy is it like that

would just be it i guess the first time you heard them talk about your band on the podcast like after you became crew and everything how how was that um i did cherry pick some episodes where i knew the guests i haven't listened to the entire, all the episodes. But I remember writing a review on Apple podcasts, you know, just being like, Oh my God, like, I can't believe you guys are from Aberdeen. Like I'm in this band Judd Hoos and I, you know, a couple of us lift and we were all now listening to your podcast. And I remember then the next episode saying, oh, yeah, we know Judd Hughes.

Like, are you kidding me? Like we partied with like, you know, we parted the zoo. Like we used to play the zoo all the time. Like that was that was where the main connection was. And I don't think anyone realizes like when you were at the zoo, how God awful tall that stage is. Imagine taking amps and instead and stacking gear up there. It's ridiculous. Really?

How many people could fit up there? The drum kit was not up there. Oh yeah, everything was up there. No, that's... We didn't stack the PA, but everything else was up there. I mean, it was, yeah, bass rig, a couple guitar rigs, drums, some lights. I feel like that stage was, from my my memory the size of a deadlift platform like that was a tiny but tall stage sticky as shit and it's sticky and loud how is it so sticky

it just they i don't know they're they're nice owners so i won't say anything no no they were wonderful we met them that night right i've talked about that before but yeah they were i can't believe they were there they're they've owned that place for like 30 years nobody owns a bar that long like that's a bad business to be in that's high pressure you're dealing with college kid employees and then drunk college kids all night like that sounds rough yeah like the only worst job is like running a chuckie cheese like that was yeah what's worse like just obnoxious kids or like obnoxious 20 year olds or 21 year olds there's almost no difference yeah i was gonna say like they're both would be negative lots of negatives actually it would even say like with me walking around bleeding all over the bar

it's like i was just a toddler i remember i remember that you're like just walking around bleeding and i'm just like hi everybody and people are like that's disgusting put that away yeah big thanks to big murph i almost made her toss cookies in the bar because she handed me a beer and I caught myself on it. You know, it took you forever to get out. That's what I remember.

Like I said goodbye to you and like, it was like a half hour later and you were like still not gone. Yeah. Yeah. Me and Jen did, I think three, like two or three rounds of just trying to get out of there. And it just wasn't happening.

And, you know, I, I do one round and then somebody was like, have you been outside yet? And you go outside and you're like, Oh my God, everybody's out here.

There's an outside. I never, I never, I never made it outside. That part's new. Yeah. That part's new. Everything else that hasn't changed at all.

Like the outside's really nice, but that bar hasn't changed in 20 years. That's why they're still doing it. Oh, yeah. Consistency. what was one band that you opened up for that meant the most to you? That was just kind of like, man, I listened to this kid.

I listened to this guy growing up. It's just like, I feel like I've arrived to some extent because I'm opening for this guy. Or if you actually, did you get to meet everyone you opened for? And don't say the Eagles. No, not the Eagles.

The Eagles. I love the Eagles. I don't know. I mean, we opened up for like Billy Idol and that was really cool. Cause he's like, he's cool. Um, the one that just shocked me, um, was we opened up for like Billy Idol and that was really cool. Cause he's like, he's cool. Um, the one that just shocked me, um, was we opened up for 38 special and like what,

what shot like what shocked me about them was how good they were. I had no idea that like that lead singer was also the lead guitar player. It's one of those things where like, Holy crap. Like how is he singing and playing all these lead parts at the same time it kind of that one just it humbled me a little bit to be like oh my god these guys are you know just incredible i think i saw them open for like what was leonard skinner at the time in 2004 in pittsburgh uh that was pretty cool yeah leonard what is leonard or what is leonard skinner now yeah yeah yeah leonard skinner adjacent yeah light yeah well so we've since you've recently left the band to was that just more like a family decision just to not spend all your weekends and

in hotels and you know like cargo vans, flipping it from one town to the next? Yeah, it's, so I joined the band in, or the band started, you know, with me in 04, and I left a year and a half ago. And it was, so I'll wrap this up quick. But like, I have a 13 year old and a six year old and a three year old now. And you miss a lot of stuff. I mean, you miss you miss a lot of games. You miss a lot because we we typically would play like 120, 130 shows a year.

So we were gone most weekends and especially in the summer when everything fun is. we were gone most weekends and especially in the summer when everything fun is. And my wife and I actually, we actually just this spring quit, but we did foster care for eight years. So lots of kids in the house. We're kind of, you know, we're way into that. Like my family and her family are big into adoption. But this, you know, that's why we have our two boys. We we like we have our own biological daughter and our two boys are adopted um uh but this when 2020 hit and the pandemic hit we went from playing all these shows to playing no shows like we were off the road and i remember

like sitting on a lake because you know the hills are just beautiful and we were like just hanging out one day like the whole family i was like oh man is this what i miss you know am i and that's when i started to really have feelings of leaving the you know not leaving judd hoose it was leaving any band like like since leaving the band i've been asked to join so many bands like oh do you want to join my band i'm like i don't think you understand it i was in a highly functioning band i'm not gonna leave this highly functioning band to be in another band like like we were really you know we were doing well um but and then 2021 hit and we went on like did a bunch of tours like we were on tour with the wild feathers um for like two weeks straight um you know like played chicago and a bunch of, you know, Kansas City and a bunch of, you know, bigger cities. And that was fun. But I was just like

this, the whole 2021 where we played more shows than we ever did in a year, I just felt break, break. Like I need, like, I was just trying to hit the brakes the entire time. And then, yeah, the end of that year, I, that was, that was it for me. So were you working full-time and doing the band on the side or was the band your full-time job for portions of your like you know the last 20 years i worked monday through thursday and it was on the road and yeah it was i i don't know how i did it i don't know how i know how your wife did it man that's crazy with all those kids, all the,

all the kids in the house and you being gone like three nights out of the week, potentially. That's crazy, man. Kudos to you guys powering through that. Yeah. She's,

uh, she's the best. Like you don't, yeah, you don't, you get lucky and sometimes you get really lucky. And then where did you find time to run a beer festival? Oh, yeah.

We run that. Well, the company I work for runs South Dakota's largest beer festival, Mountain West Beer Fest, November 11th here in Rapid City. And that's and that's now in my hands the past couple of years. It's super fun it's so much fun because i like craft beer that's why i was like oh what ipa do you have because like i i can't get that from where i'm at actually here in the black hills like and i'm from originally from the denver area and there's like colorado's kind of known for its craft beer i feel like the black hills for the population size has really good

craft beer there's some a few real like there's a bunch of breweries but there's a few of them that are they've got they've got their shit together like they're they're making some unique ones like they're not just like there's some that just do like you know your typical ipa lager and stout like they get it out of a kit almost, and they're good. There's some that are doing some really... Even stuff I don't like, but I appreciate. There's one that does 40-year sours.

It's not really my thing, but it's really cool. I don't know what you would call it. They call it members, but every year I buy into a brewery that's here in town. And I love them. They're amazing people. They've treated me and my family amazing.

My name's on the wall. Everything is amazing. But they tend to do a lot of sours or a lot of fruity puree beers. And I actually don't enjoy them that much, but because I love them, I keep investing, right? I keep buying in and then they'll have one that just blows me out of the

water. They'll have one beer that I'll just walk in and be like, just give me 24 of those. Like, don't even fuck around. I think it was about five or six breweries in my city what do you drink what what is like the what's your beer uh it's keith's it's alexander keith's um yeah that's pretty well documented it's like the number one beer but um this i'm taking

vacation at the beginning of october so i'll be heading out back out to mckinnon i hope my wife and i've already spoken about it get a hotel and head out there my laugh uh so mckinnon is i've spoken about them before they're the farm brewery where like they're just on a big giant plot of land their old beer fridge was blasted into the bedrock and they used to brew in the barn and their their bottle um shop house was the chicken coop they make that uh red beet ale that i love so much and i always take a pilgrimage out there. It's about a three-hour drive, but I could do three hours there and then visit and then come back, but with two kids, you don't want to do that.

You want to do three hours, go play in the playground for a few minutes while you unwind from that. That's another hour. We'll go to the brewery after, then come back, and then it's like 9 o'clock at night, and you're like, sure, drive for another three hours home, right? So we'll usually do an overnight if we head out there

but that's cool that's called mckinnon but it is a destination there's also one out here called bench um and i think think damager's been out there it It's the same thing. That's not how you say his name. Dilladam? It's Dilladinger. Dingalinger, I think, right? But they have Hopps Fields. They have their own farmland. They have everything out here. That's a destination brewery.

Whereas some of the ones in my city, they're like, well, we're in the middle of this. We've got a self-serve center in the middle of uh storage units come on and see they're like sure i'm on my way there but like those big farm ones and stuff are the ones i really like that's cool yeah it's interesting to see how like your taste in beer can change over the years like Like I went from like, when I first started drinking, like drinking Coronas,

like, and then you like work your way to like hoppier and hoppier. And now I'm like on the backside, like I'm now appreciating lagers more. And like, if I go to drink with my wife, like she'll order like Imperial stouts, that's her thing.

So they'll bring it to me. Mine too. I like whiskey and I like beer but i don't like them together like imperial stouts are very bourbon-y yeah it's just too much for me so they'll bring it like you know the waiter whatever bring to me the imperial stout and give her the light lager like that's that's always the case like i feel like it's like nope that's backwards uh yeah it's pumpkin spice beer season and my wife is just in heaven. Like the pumpkin spice porters, the pumpkin ales, pumpkin stout. You give her one of those at this time of year, and she's just loving it.

I've had my fair share. I used to drink in a bar called the Winking Judge downtown Hamilton. I'm 38 now, and I think I had my first beer at the winking judge at the age of 19 is that a canadian thing yes we start drinking at 19 here in canada 18 in quebec oh is that actually i was making a joke is that actually real yes like it's not it's not 21 up there okay no no we we have more faith in our young people than the americans do and um they have this thing called the irish coffin where like you have 30 days to drink one of every beer on tap but it's always rotating taps

so you have to fill your card of like 30 beers in 30 days and so i've had my fair share of craft beers because they were only a craft beer bar my name was on that wall four times by the time they closed because we would just keep doing it. But you're right because it's like in my early, you know, I actually didn't drink until I turned 19.

My 19th birthday was the first time I drank. And I drank what my dad drank. Right? And then you're just drinking whatever's at the bar. And then I found Keith's. But then I got into craft beer and now here I am 38. I'm the bar and then i found keith's but then i got into craft beer and now here i am 38 i'm just like just give me the keith's like i don't care

what's the drinking age in canada 19 19 see when i was 18 i i joined another band zwarte um they were like old it's funny like i was 18 and they were like older than i was you know like i was doing this like young guy joining an older band and you know it's not like there was drug usage or anything but there was some like serious drinking going on that band it freaked me out from drinking like i was freaked out and i didn't really start drinking like, like right till I was 21. Like I was a good kid. Like I didn't. And then I really didn't like,

I would say start partying at all until I was like 22. Like I, I just kind of got freaked out by like the culture of it. Now, is that experience? Was that an experience where you were like sober and you just saw people that you were normally seeing sober, just could be complete drunk assholes.

Cause I think if I was, I think if I was exposed to that when i was like 15 like i wouldn't have fucking like started binge drinking when i was 15 years old because if i had like if i had like at that age just saw how stupid people like because i don't i don't think i was like at a party saw a bunch of drunk people and then got drunk it was just like immediately at a party and then you start getting drunk so it's just like i think if i had that experience that you were talking about like that would that would have actually been pretty like eye opening and been like okay that's not as cool as it looks no it's not as fun it's like oh you're embarrassing like you look and if you see people like playing poorly or anything like that like as a musician

like like judd hoose we were always real professional like you you party on your own time like you don't you can have a you know a beer a set you don't get hammered on stage that's a that's embarrassing yeah it's actually why i have zero patience for cocaine zero patience for cocaine because i i've been sitting in a room and a you know guy walks in and he starts talking to you and he's fine then he leaves the room and he comes back and he's a nightmare. And you're like, I know what happened. And for me, it was just like, I just have never touched it. Just because of what you're talking about. Just seeing people make absolute assholes of themselves.

I'm sorry if I'm offending anybody who loves cocaine on this podcast. I heard it's great. I heard it's great. Yeah, I heard. Yeah, exactly. I heard it's great. And that's why you shouldn't do it. Like, yeah, they're like, exactly. I heard it's great. And that's why you shouldn't do it. Like, yeah, they're like, like you, you would love it. And that's why you shouldn't do it.

Yeah. It is one of those things. I just, I just saw how people were on it and was like, yeah, I don't ever want to look like you. I'm not doing that. I've never touched it for that reason. My addictive personality has helped me steer clear, like being self-aware of my addictive personality. Like I never did anything worse than smoking weed. So because i know i'd be like yeah if i start doing pills or fucking doing this that or the other like i might not ever stop so like yeah

being self-aware enough to not put yourself in the positions like it's gonna save my life i feel so speaking of saving your life and kind of marketing onto the uh you know running the beer running running the beer fest you've had to dealt with some really drunk assholes so with that has being a black belt and a former sensei helped you in any situations and just talk about that sorry what did you just say did i butcher that's gonna be it did you just say sensei so i can't wait for everybody to get old i have there's there's there's a there's a brand of thermostats that i that i do at work that are called sensei so when i when i read the word look just i think it actually might even be spelled the way

so yeah i butchered since sensei and said sensei because it's something i use at work uh but yeah tell us about your uh i'm I'm assuming karate, no one, whoever told me that didn't specify karate or jujitsu or whatever. So I assume that's my wife who likes to embarrass me. Cause I don't like, I mean, I don't like talking about myself as it is. Um, we like embarrassing the guests just a little bit and you're here to talk about yourself. So yeah, awkward. Um, when I was in like, I don't know how, I think I was like 14, 15. I had been going through martial arts for like, you know, six, seven years and became a black belt and started teaching for a while. And then I finally started getting into music and like, there was no time for that. But yeah, I got a black belt in Kenpo karate, which if you look it up, it's like, it's essentially what MMA is now. It's literally like it was a guy from California, Chuck Cordova, since they Chuck Cordova came from California to Colorado and started a

school. And it was like jujitsu and judo and like small amounts of Taekwondo and kickboxing. So it was like real practical fighting, but real disciplined. Has it helped me? Did it help me deal with drunk people? Especially being in a band too. You've had to have like,

just been in a bunch of bar scenes after the fact, just you've had to encountered assholes that you just had to, you know, did your best to walk away from it. Maybe you weren't able to. I think most of that is just, like, yeah,

I, it was funny. It's actually the later years in the band is where I felt like I was in more situations. And most of that I think was like losing my patience with drunk people. We were like, Oh my God. Like, and most of it's when I,

I typically don't get mad when like someone's being mean to me. Cause I'm like, okay, you know, fuck off. Like but if uh they were like we had like a young crew guy we brought on the road one summer and he was like 18 and these two drunk guys were hassling him like they were like he was like just selling merch and they were really hassling him and i about got in a fight like i was like hey like i told the guys like hey you know piss off like go bother someone else and i heard him say something under his breath and like i my reaction was not a mature

reaction it was like like i kind of like charged up on him i was like what'd you say instead of like going okay and moving on with my life like oh they're drunk and being dumb but like i escalated the situation definitely but i i stayed out of fights i don't know i i tend to not get in fights um i i'm a golden retriever i just like i tend to be likable and try not to be in those situations that that desire there to like um because i can say it you know all, every day. I've talked about my job before when somebody's like mean to me. I'm just like, you know what, man? I think we can work for a solution together.

Like I'm such a just like deescalate. But if they're mean to one of my team or even worse mean to another customer, like I immediately become Patrick Swayze from Roadhouse. Like I'm just immediately like like name tags coming off let's talk man like and i think i see what you're saying because like yeah i'm as i'm as nice as they can it's hard to see it it's hard to see it like our yeah uh like our lead singer once was taking a picture with this girl like like she was like oh i want to take a selfie like it was after the show. He's like, sure.

Drunk boyfriend who's jealous of this girl comes up and dumps a whole beer on his head. This is like experience of being on the road. If you're in a small town, you don't know the cops. You don't know what's

going on. I'm not saying police are bad, but you don't know the situation. You don know what's going like and i'm not saying like police are bad but like you don't know the situation you don't know who the security is and like i had like tyler's like he's like a skinny like he's a skinny dude but it's like you would have to kill him to stop him it's it's because it's not because he would win the fight it's because he wouldn't be willing to lose like he would like you would have to knock him out to stop him he just kind of got that like anger switch and we were all just like holding him back and the security you know kicked the you know that boyfriend dude out but you know that's some pride swallowing situations yeah that would be hard to keep your composure with that situation

like that's a that's a because that's assault at that point i don't care if it's a beer or like anything like that's you do anything that puts something on me or touches me like that's fucking assault so yeah and what you're saying just to make sure you know people don't get it all twisted you're right in a small town like that the bouncer's his cousin the cop is his brother you're the guy that's reacting the reason he's acting the way he is is because he knows he's protected like you don't know any of that right that'll just harkens back to why i was so absolutely nice in aberdeen to that guy that yelled at me at the meet i don't know you this isn't my town i will do everything i can to acquiesce should i have no but like i don't know you i don't know why you're here i don't know anybody around me right so just wanted to make sure that yeah i hear what you're saying there yeah validated and heard

so speaking of basically venues you've played so if you had to pick you don't okay so you if you choose to answer half of this that's fine because the other one's kind of a you know a negative so best and worst venue ever played but if you don't want to answer worse feel free not to i don't want you to like feel like you're throwing someone under the bus oh no i i love the worst one um i know exactly i know exactly where it is it's the od arena in aberdeen oh god the best is hard. It's easy to remember the worst of things. I mean, the Sturgis Buffalo Chip was cool because it's a really big arena. But I can't even remember the name. It's up in North Dakota. We played their state fair, and it's a big one.

I think there's like 10,000, 20,000 people there, and that's what was cool so it's like just a huge crowd um that was that's where we opened up for billy idol and that was that was cool because it was just we had a great crowd reaction lots of young people um the worst is a better story also in north dakota so we were playing this is early years of the band we were taking any gig this is in jamestown north dakota and we played an outdoor show in like october and like late october it was like 40 degrees out maybe like fahrenheit like maybe that was the high that day we were like playing in like winter coats okay so it's freezing so we played in front of i think two people maybe like the entire night two people next door to this this stage and we're playing on top of a flatbed trailer which is like a common midwest thing like it's you know street dances

you play on top of a front you know a, a couple of flatbed trailers, drums on the back one, guitar rigs and everyone else in the front set up and go next in the next door lot. There was a leaking septic tank. Oh, good. So it smelled like horrifically bad. And it was absolutely freezing. It was like the second like you went on stage, you went from like you'd sit in your vehicle trying to warm up and then you went to just freezing. It was like the second, like you went on stage, you went from like, you'd sit in your vehicle trying to warm up and then you went to just freezing. Just absolute, like, or your hands hurt. Like you're like, I can barely play.

And our drummer's like looking at us like, what's wrong with you guys? Because he can keep playing, but all the guitar players are just dying. That's hysterical. Was that maybe your only thing that was your only show where your band outnumbered the audience uh no no no we had uh the first sturgis rally we played we played up in deadwood and deadwood is not sturgis and the bikers were just going by like thousands we would watch thousands of bikers going by and i bet in we played like seven days in a row and i bet we played in front of a dozen people maybe oh wow it was

those were like those are good for you though like that's just practice you're getting paid to practice humbling yeah so uh big dave or me directory had two questions for you the first one was are you going to do the lift hard live easy classic next year and then the second one was picker fingers oh good so yes i will do it no matter what hell yeah um just need a date and you hear that tommy and tanner we need a date it'd be nice to get a date to get that venue all sorted so we can start planning our 2024, guys. Please and thank you. And Dave is talking about, do you play with a pick or fingers for bass? And I played with my fingers. I actually was, I used, instead of like two fingers, I used three typically. Like, what's his name from Iron Maiden? I can't think of it. Steve Harris, is that him?

I don't know. I'm drawing a blank. Normally when it comes to the metal talk, I'm all in. Yeah. I think that's him, Steve Harris. That sounds right. Yeah. Or Billy Sheen from Mr. Big. He does that too.

I have a follow-up with playing bass with your fingers. I'm assuming you still currently play recreational to some extent. So say when you were lifting, did you have to be cautious with deadlifting? Because obviously you were making money with your hands. I guess I'm more thinking if you were a hook gripper. If you were hook gripping and you ripped some fucking skin off your fingers typically that's your thumb if your hook grip but still like depending on how you deadlift it still you could rip calluses and skin on any finger or palm so did that ever play a role in like how you

had to play or how you deadlifted precautionarily no um but i did learn you cannot bowl like we went we all went bowling like an hour before a gig. And that hand strength, that constant holding of a ball. We played two or three games. I was in so much hand pain. I was cramping up horribly. So don't roll. Well, if you're not slapping the base,

then you don't really need to worry about like your like your thumb calluses or anything like that right yeah not really yeah yeah you're not bonky bonk is what i call it actually that was what maynard called it in his book and i was like that is what that is but that's that bonky bonk bass that like primus and red hot chili peppers and a lot of those bands do it's where it just sounds yeah yeah that's it the only time i've ever enjoyed it was at a corn but that was because they drop tuned so ridiculously that you could barely even tell it was bonky bonk it was just fuzz corn was like my intro to metal like it went like corn and rage and like i like a lot of

different music but like that was like i felt like that's where things turned for me where i was like oh this is this is cool and corn only got progressively more aggressive right so they were like rack rack the first album um you know let's play some metal nostalgia here the first corn album was an emotional monster um there's a song on there uh where you know i'm not going to get too into the details but he's just bawling his eyes out while he's singing it and if you don't know what that song is i'm not going to get into what it's about or anything like that but it's literally just jonathan davis crying and then the next one was, this is silly. Was the next one follow the leader.

Follow the leader. I, and no one, you don't hear about this cause it was a CD. Yeah. What I remembered most about follow the leader is you'd put it in your, your player and it would go track one. Yeah.

Track two, track three, track four, like, like immediately no break all the way to 13 and 13 was the first song and you were like oh my god this is devil music like this is so cool well that was because the first album was 12 tracks and this album was following up to that but it was it was rap rock so you went from that insane like I was bullied as a teenager and other bad things happened to rap rock.

And then, you know, they kind of went new metal for a bit. And then their last two albums, it's almost crazy how just aggressive and how he changed his tone as a singer. And, you know, I'm going to catch maybe some slack for this, but Jonathan Davis invented a new style of singing when he did that little whiny thing to that scream and growl and stuff like that. Nobody had done that before him. And he still is changing to this time. So like,

if you are at all listening to corn for their newer stuff, uh, there's a song they did with, uh, Corey Taylor, which I really encourage you to listen to because it is just insane heavy. Insane heavy. And Korn is still

doing it. That's cool. This is the podcast about Korn. Eddie's coming. I did my best. I tried to listen to a handful of Judd Judd Who songs and I specifically watched some of the videos I did my best. I tried to listen to a handful of, you know, judge judge who songs. And I specifically watched some of the videos that you were the director of

to kind of get a feel for the music. And I have to tell people nothing to do. Not doesn't sound anything like corn, you know, kind of, you know, if I had listened to this, if I had listened to this episode and then listened to all your music,

I would have been disappointed thinking I was going to get some corn. Yeah. Like the band, the band definitely changed over the years like we were like a little harder in the beginning i think a little harder in the beginning um and just the songwriting went to more like um i don't know more country-esque but like actually like some of those some of those like on the second album some of the songs on there are um like say my name is a rock song like if you you hear it like that that's a rock song that's a straightforward rock song um but then i don't know like later on things got i

would say poppier but also i don't know like we were still a rock band like no matter what we were a guitar rock band like I like those guys are still playing today and I have mad respect all the love for them and they're uh like it's some of the best guitar playing out there right now like the two guitar like the lead singer and lead guitar player like play so well together like it's when you watch them it's like it's guitar player porn like you're like oh this is sweet this is really cool like they they won't and i'm not just like talking like dual leads like and they'll do that but like they'll do like just where they're playing totally different things that

mesh really well together that's cool that probably takes a fair amount of work to kind of like get that in sync oh are both those members og members is that why they're such good like you know no um the guitar actually the the lead guitar player has been in the band longer than the original guitar player um the drummer is the only actually original member um but tyler was the new lead singer and god i can't remember what year he joined that was a long time ago so yeah like the band's seen a lot of changes over the years for sure nice and that would that would be you know contributing to the change in sound yeah absolutely inevitable uh that makes sense like they yeah we get a lot of haters like a, like some people hated us like when it changed and then,

but then we got a lot more popular. So it's like hard to like, hard to like deny that. No, I get it. It's like, um, a couple of people leaving Slipknot,

right. When Joey left Slipknot, things sounded different because he was a contributor, but like, that's just inevitable or more uh iron maiden talk uh bruce or yeah bruce dickinson wasn't the original lead singer on faith no more like there's yep there are like no one talks about it but like yeah those weren't the original singers now would you still contribute at all like i mentioned joey jordan but like when he

left the band he left for health reasons he still contributed like from a production and kind of like opinion level do you do any like are you just completely done like i'm out retired i'm gone um up until like a month ago uh i was working for their management company. So, and then they, they left our group, which is like, it's honestly like not a bad thing. It's not like mean or mean spirited. They,

they just want to handle things on their own, which is like, it's actually like good timing of some of the things. But if they ask for anything or like any advice, like, cause I do like a lot of online marketing and event marketing. Like I will absolutely like give them help and, you know,

do whatever they need. Very cool. Yeah. That's cool. You still have that connection with them. So, Oh yeah. Like I,

I saw one of the guys, like he actually switched gyms and I didn't even know it. And I lifted with him today. Like he was, we were lifting adjacent. Like we weren't like, you know, like him in his room. Like I showed up, I was like, Oh my God, what are you doing? He was like, Oh adjacent like we weren't like you know like him in his room like i showed up i was like oh my god what are you doing he was like oh i switched gyms

i'm like and him his two roommates were lifting in there you know so it was kind of fun so i heard you're a big stephen king fan is that right i am so i got a couple stephen king questions i'm trying to think of how i want to word them so i I'll go with what's your favorite Stephen King book or book series? Like who? So for a series, I would say you can answer independently if you want. It's fine for a series. The Gunslinger, the Dark Tower series. Yep.

That's one of the best series ever the hard part with that is the first book's probably the worst like you have to pop you have to like power through it you have to like power through that one it's like the way the terminator movies are like the first book is kind of like a chase it's more of like a chase and then like the the ones after are a lot more plot interesting um as far as a single book that 11 22 63 the one um they made a mini series on it i think uh the one about the kennedy assassination that like that's probably like the one of the better written ones it was awesome though that it like is one of the few books like um i just listened i didn't read that one i i listened to it and i had to pull

over because i thought i was gonna puke like i was like wow like that's like everyone thinks of him as a horror writer and actually i think most of his writing isn't horror that's horror like that like i thought i was gonna puke like this is not it is and it's not like we're talking about big uh big big waffle irons uh snowmobile injury story right yeah yeah it's like it's not it's not like yeah like oh this is gross or this is shot like this is um someone jumping out at you it's like no this is horrific this is something i can't even like put words to that's what horror is to me. When I actually read that as a kid, it was like,

it was the first like long book I read. And I think I read it twice and like, I'm not going to pretend it didn't have an effect on me. Cause like we used to pretend like it was real and we were going to go fight the evil clown. And, but I was like 12 or 13 when I read that book. Um, and you know,

I will say I'll go out and be controversial because that's what we do on this podcast. I do think that Bill Skarsgård was a better Pennywise the clown. Oh, really? He's a great actor. Yeah. I do love Tim Curry.

I just don't, I think he did what was best with what he was given, but I do think that Skarsgård was a better version of Pennywise the Clown, more true to the book. Yeah, it was probably more true to the book. I do agree with that. It was definitely scarier

because it wasn't made for TV. It was an R-rated movie. Yeah. But also, I will say I've never read The Dark Tower and i think we've spoken about it on this podcast before but the dark tower actually kind of brings stephen king his entire universe into full circle oh yes the thing that is it is also in the dark tower right like it is this weird trans-dimensional evil force that is in dark tower it's in it it's in another one of his books and he never names it but at some point i think during the dark tower

you realize that that's what pennywise the clown was there's a lot of like towns that are the same like in all the books. Just little hints. You're like, oh, that character. That weird side character ran in. He's big on that. On tying all of his worlds together. Yeah. I think my first exposure to him was at different seasons, I think.

It was like the four-part novella. It had the Rita Hayworth story, which ended up becoming Shawshank Redemption.lla we had the uh the rita hayworth story which ended up becoming shawshank redemption and it had a body which became stand by me and then i think there was apt pupil and then which was also a movie and then i don't remember what the fourth one was but uh that was like my first experience with that i did get into the gunslinger i want to say i think i powered through the first and second book and then kind of just dropped the series but i was like it was like 10 years ago or more i might have to get back into it though remember the second one just got super weird with the uh i don't know it was just it was uh i love the second

one it's yeah i love it so creative yeah it was a very interesting world he created and then that's i know i was probably like in my early 20s when i tried to read it the first time so it was more like 15 years ago so i might have to get back into it but i don't know i i do like series that are like like built on like i much rather read like a 10 book series than like a a one-off novel you know i'm not never a fan of that so but that's cool that that is what you like so a follow-up on that is favorite movie and series that's inspired or you know off stephen king you know he's had a whole lot of stuff made he's had a shit ton of made for tv movies there's a shit ton of like big box office movies a couple mini series and like you know standalone shows so what are your i think shawank Redemption's the best movie even.

And I think most of that's because the short story, I actually don't think he's that great. I think that the short story is like, is okay. But the movie is because of who they got as the actors, like Morgan Freeman and what's his name? Like, it's incredible.

Um, I can't think of his name. It's one of the Bills. It's one of the Bills, isn't it? Bill Pullman or Bill Paxton? No. Not Paxton. Fuck, it's Timothy something. Fuck. It's not Timothy McFadden. Oh, fuck you. No, it's not.

That's got to be the best. I mean, Dreamcatcher was cool, but it seemed really B-movie Tim Robbins not Tim and Morgan Freeman I feel like there's a lot of okay Stephen King

movies like just a little bit low budget we actually touched on one in the beginning too he wrote Maximum Overrive i believe if i don't if i recall he wrote um or i think the running man that's a good one that that one the book and the movie have nothing to do with each other like they're hardly not at all yeah actually that's one of the few that I've read and seen. Yeah, The Langoliers, I think, is another movie I watched of his. I like that one.

It was the silly eating meatballs or fur balls or whatever. Running Man is definitely a very good example of... Arnie tends to do that a lot, right? Arnold did... What was that short story? Total Recall. Oh, yeah. Where, like, Total Recall. Oh, yeah. Where like Total Recall

was like 30 pages long. And then they were like, no, that's a whole movie. And then they're not the same thing at all. They're not even similar at all. That's like World War Z, you know, Brad Pitt.

That's a weird book. It's just like a chronological thing. It's just like telling like events. I don't know. Yeah. Besides that, it's about zombies and it's called like a chronological thing. It's just like telling events. I don't know. Yeah, besides that it's about zombies and it's called World War Z. There's different similarities. They have nothing to do with that. There's

not the same characters. It's not about the same thing at all. It was very disappointing. That guy wrote the zombie... Survival Guide or something. Survival Guide, yeah. I think I listened to that too. the zombie survival guide yeah I read it actually and you know fun story you can all learn

about me I was one of the I think I was the second in Canada the first in Ontario member of the zombie research society I started my own chapter we got people involved but I couldn't get people to actually help me do any experiments. And yeah, that was fun.

Experiments on each other? Like, can I kill you and see when you reanimate? I wouldn't want to volunteer for that. So one of the ideas was, if you were part of the Zombie Research Society, Chris, do you have any interest in zombie stuff at all i love zombies i good let's go we gotta get prepared yeah we need to be ready um is that when you were part of the zombie research society you founded your chapter gather your members but you had a year to contribute a research paper and at the time

i was in school doing cultural studies so i was all about like why do we care about zombies like why does anybody care but what i wanted to do was experiment with different weapons i have a friend who's a butcher how much would it cost to get three pig heads so that we could test weapons that your average human could use which one would work but it was just one of those things where like nobody would like agree to help me financially contribute nobody would show up in time to

do it and we just ended up closing the chapter I finally emailed them and was like no we have to close the chapter but now I have a question you love zombies okay you've read the zombie survival guide yes okay number one weapon what is your number one weapon slash tool when when shit goes sideways that's eventually going to happen one of two things are going to happen we're all going to burn to death because the sun's

going to come after us or zombies like there's no inevitable like second third term number one weapon or tool because remember could be both i know what mine is oh i feel like you don't want you think you want something heavy you think you would but then you're gonna get tired you think if you could if you could get like a samurai sword like just i know not to like harp on walking dead but like that was an efficient killing weapon and even though like she's like a badass the way she's yeah yeah you don't have to be like if you can swing a baseball bat you can do that lucille yeah that's a good question man that's got me stumped because like there's been so many bad ones like

i watch a lot i've consumed pretty much everything that's like b or a or movie zombie related i think the funniest one i saw was like i think it was tyree's and walking dead had like a big like framing construction hammer and i'm like that just doesn't seem like you're gonna get that stuck just because like the ergonomics of it and then you you're like, when you finish driving it through, your fucking hand is right by their fucking mouth. It's just the way a hammer works, unless you're like standing above them. Like as you drive it in, you're going to be so close to like the impact zone of the teeth. Like, so I don't know, you'd want something like long and skit, like almost like a two foot piece of rebar where you can just like stand and jab them but then that's also like how much force like joy was saying like how much force do you need to apply to pierce the skeleton to breach the brain like i think a hell of a lot more than what they show on tv like i don't know

how thick this human skull is but some of the times they just like do the tiniest little jab yeah like it's a pen and they've killed the zombie with it. I think that being part of the zombie research society, this is a thing I have thought about a lot. I think if I had to point out a flaw in your

logic, it's that you want to kill anything. And ultimately, you don't. You want to fucking run. You want to run and be far away as fast as possible um if you're going to use a baseball bat you're going to put a sock over it yeah because if that baseball bat catches on something you simply pull the sock comes off my number one tool would be a crowbar with a handle on the side because it's heavy, it's sharp, and you can get into places. You can break locks, you can open doors, you can climb walls. If you've got that handle and you've got that hook, that can reach a higher wall, and then you can pull yourself up if you're not weak.

So that's my tool i i do hate how much everybody focuses on guns because i think that's the stupidest thing you could use right but again that's the focus of they're zombies i'm gonna kill them no they're zombies you run you get as far away as possible also i think it's under i mean i talked to we're not going to go political about guns but people people don't understand how difficult it is to shoot a gun especially in distress like if your heart rates up and like shooting a handgun is really hard actually like to hit a target like it's not the movies we're like oh they're 50 yards away and you bullseye that's not what happens like you're like exactly some listeners might're 50 yards away and you bullseye. That's not what happens. Like you're like, exactly. Some listeners might be that person. I'm not that like I'm an okay shot. Like, like if I like about once a year, I'll go and shoot like blue rock, like, you know, clay pigeons. And I'm pretty good with a shotgun. But that's in a fun, friendly environment. Like, you know, no one's shooting at me. There's no zombies. I'm not screaming and carrying a person, like carrying one of my kids with me.

And still somehow like headshotting three out of five of them. Yeah, that's not going to happen. And also that gunshot is alerting all the other zombies in earshot that you're there. Right? Like that's what I say. It's the stupidest you're right like from a a tactical perspective you're right but also hey everybody i'm over here is exactly what that does and the two biggest threats in the zombie apocalypse are zombies and people that want

what you have yeah right that's what makes that's what makes like walking dead and end of the world uh like that's what i like about like stephen king and like like i just read the dome and um it's not about the end of the world it's about how you handle like these horrible situations and what would you do that's what i love about it and that's why i've always loved zombie stuff is because it's sure it's apocalyptic. Sure. It's all of that, but it's also about like,

how are you going to behave? How are you going to, who are you going to be when that shit comes up? And obviously in all zombie movies, there's a hero and there's the villain and there's all that stuff. But like, which one are you going to be? Right.

That's what I had one in my mind and I forgot about it. I want to say The Last of Us. Yeah, great. HBO show. That dude was neither. He was neither the hero or the villain.

Yeah, you just want to survive. Yeah. He just wanted his daughter and his girlfriend not to die and he didn't have much luck with that yeah yeah yeah so big chris okay so post-apocalyptic world sorry no no no this is just found something i was like wait a minute i want to talk about this hammer at home i was in so same same world so post post-apocalyptic towards the beginning of the apocalypse here, and you stumble across a giant grocery store

completely stocked, but you only have enough room in your backpack for three boxes of cereal. I hear you're a big cereal guy. What three different cereals are you putting in your post-apocalyptic potentially last cereal you're ever going to eat before you die? Three bowls of cereal.

This is hard. Just three. You can choose three boxes and you can't, you probably won't finish all of them. That's the hard part here. Oh, okay. You're going to think I'm crazy and I'll explain why I'm picking this one.

Yeah. Crisp X. It is not Chex. It is shaped like an octagon. Do I get to bring milk? That's also my question. Well, I mean, yeah. I got it.

Yeah, let's assume you can. Let's say I have a cow. You're going to enjoy your three. Yeah, because the big reason why I like this cereal it's like a chex but it's corn on one side and it is rice on the other in this yeah it's this octagon shape and it's so it like it doesn't soak up the milk it holds the milk inside they're like inside its little like shape interesting when you bite on it it like kind of semi explodes like it's it's perfect it doesn't get soggy real quick great cereal i'm gonna go with and i'm not like a big

dessert cereal guy i don't like uh count chocula or those like i like if you're gonna eat cake go eat some cake like or whatever you're gonna like i like this is a rare one and i'm getting this because of nostalgia o's they look like oh they look like cheerios but they have like a honey nut cluster inside of them i remember them yep everything just came back to me yep those are very good oh third god this is terrible. This would be bad. Because I'd grab a bunch of cereal. I do love cereal. Like night cereal.

We heard. That's why I tried to pose it in a funny kind of game way. If you want to gain weight, like when I'm trying to gain weight, I do a night cereal. Before you go to bed, you have your bowl of night cereal. Oh, my God. This is mean. I'm going to, I mean,

I'm just going to go with like the classic Midwest honey, bunches of oats with almonds. Those are good. I know they get soggy quick, but you just, you're going to eat them. You're going to, you're going to power through that bowl fast.

I love Froot Loops. Am I the only person in the world where I'm just like, no, I just love a good bowl of Froot Loops? Yeah. Those, I mean, they're all awesome. All those cereals are great. Even just plain Cheerios, the-grain cheerios those are good like my i think when we uh first got together my wife was shocked to find out that i like the big bricks of shredded wheat oh yeah i just put brown sugar on them and some milk and i'm like yeah

that's my favorite cereal and she's like really like you're like a foodie like you're an extravagant person and you're drinking you're eating shredded wheat yeah i am it's delicious you reminded me uh is it honey bunches of oats is that what or what's the the little mini shredded wheat ones yeah the frosted mini mini mini frosted shredded wheats right they're they're not frosted but they they have a cinnamon version okay and they have another version that i like better i i can't remember what i think it's just brown sugar i think it's just uh it's got to be mini weeds no oh i'm thinking of uh quaker oh the quaker ones yes yes what are those called oh i wish i could tell you but i can picture the box right now i would grab that's that would be my that might be my first pick yeah those are really

good those will keep you alive like for a while you can eat them dry like dog food or yeah dog food like mauser that was really fucking funny i forgot because he like he telegraphed the story too because like you knew he was like yeah he forgot to buy the dog or he forgot to buy the cereal he sure enough did and i was like uh i think i would have just dropped the bit for that night because like the 20 people there probably didn't care no you commit to the bit he's a wild man that was some and dog foods i think I think it tastes bad, but I think it's actually full of a lot of bacteria that like dogs can handle.

Cause it's just food sitting out. So you can get, it's not good for you. It's kind of like eating like eggs raw. Like it's kind of okay until it's not okay. Yeah. A bad one. And then you're really sick oh he's funny he did follow

me on instagram too and i messaged him after the podcast like this is great stuff man yep great stuff yeah you you you threw me there with picking all like the non-dessert cereals like i that's like i mean i grew up cereal was like the staple in my life growing up but i never necessarily consumed cereal to be like oh how can, I grew up, like cereal was like the staple in my life growing up, but I never necessarily consumed cereal to be like, Oh, how can I make this kind of healthy cereal? It was always like a treat. It was always dessert basically.

So I, I'm, I think I'm with Chris on this one. Like I love, so Froot Loops are like my favorite, but it's just because they smell good and it's nostalgic. But if I'm like, no,

I have to get ready for my day like a 38 year old man then i'm going i have this high protein one right now that i paid way too much money for and it kind of tastes like rocks there's like weird rocks in them whatever that is i'll never buy that one again but like i buy like vector i buy the vector maple flavored bricks because they're high in protein they're high in fiber because like i'm an old man and I just need to like make sure my day goes well. I want the fruit loops. I want the Reese's peanut butter puffs.

I want the desserts, but like also I need to like look at how am I going to feel at noon? If that's what I eat this morning. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely start my pretty much at least five days a week with a, with a cup of cereal, like a protein cereal.

But if I, I'm just going to abbreviate, give you an abbreviated answer. Cause I'll just pick my favorite fruity or a desserty cereal. It's not a super common one. Cause I think it was discontinued for several years. I don't know where it's saying it now, but a French toast crunch,

not crunch. Okay. Everywhere. French Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Cinnamon Toast Crunch is okay. French Toast Toast is fun. It went away from the States for a decade, I feel. And it was little toast shapes. That was probably so... My favorite dessert cereal ever.

Yeah, so many of those cereals would hurt your mouth. Everyone talks about Captain Crunch is dangerous, but there were a lot of those cereals would hurt your mouth like everyone talks about captain crunch is like dangerous but there were a lot of dangerous cereals like that would hurt your mouth as a kid like why did they give you that oh there's this one i was talking about this protein cereal i i'm not kidding i legitimately have been picking what feels like rocks out of my mouth in the middle of chewing through this because they're just like this independent canadian company that are like we're gonna make like a lifter friendly cereal i was like yeah i'll try

anything once right like yeah and yeah full on just like what is this and like i would drop it back in the bowl and it would go ting and i'm like what is this in my food? It feels like pebbles. It's definitely frustrating. There's not better high protein options, like quick and easy high protein options. Take a look at the vector maple. So the vector has the regular vector, but it hurts my teeth because it's just very hard encapsulated flakes.

But then they made this maple that is puffed maple, kind of like Captain Crunch, but it's high in protein. It's a little less protein than the regular, but it doesn't hurt my old man teeth. So, yeah, take a look at that one. If you want to see, it's not cheap. I'm not going to pretend you're not going to spend money on this, but that's the one I mostly keep in the house.

My daily breakfast for probably like three or four years, like my peak healthiest when I was like, the house. My, my daily breakfast for probably like three or four years. So like my peak healthiest when I was like, you know, tracking macros daily, like the product doesn't exist anymore. It's pretty devastating, but it was,

uh, it was called P 28 bagels. I was like the brand, the company was P 28, but since went out of business because the guy literally put his wife, put his fucking wife, put his wife in his trunk and killed her. I believe it is currently in jail and his company company is just in limbo. It doesn't exist

anymore. But the bagels were the best tasting high protein. It was actually P28. There was 28 grams of protein in a toasted bagel. That's a lot of protein for a fucking bagel.

If the judge lifts, he's going to get off. His company has to lifts like so the judge lifts he's gonna get off like he's pretty sure he's over but like it's just weird that like no one's been able to unless he was lying about the macros like i've seen other protein bagels i bought protein bagels off amazon they just tasted like fucking cardboard where this actually tasted like a hearty like wheat bagel but it legitimately had 28 grams of protein in it which was like enough to start my day and like sounds like you should just do a bunch of chicken bakes why don't you have more chicken bakes in the house i i was trying to i

was anticipating that video coming out today but i guess it's coming out tomorrow because usually they've been switching it up what days they release through youtube's because if it's on thursday we can watch it before the recording but uh i like last minute i looked at it because i thought it was coming out at four o'clock today and i was like if it's on Thursday, we can watch it before the recording. Last minute, I looked at it because I thought it was coming out at 4 o'clock today and I was like, oh, it's coming out tomorrow. What the fuck? Then I had to delete it from the notes. I have to have a gripe about it. I hope they cover that the frozen ones you buy in the store

are completely different macros from the ones they claim the macros are at the food court because it's like a 20 or 30 gram difference in protein like the frozen ones only have 30 like 36 grams of protein so i don't understand how the ones they make in the store which i would assume are the frozen ones just fucking warmed up have like 60 grams of protein or 45 grams of protein it just doesn't the math doesn't make sense but then again we're... I work at Costco. And I'll tell you something.

Most of what they serve in the food court is just heated up versions. In Canada, at least. I can't... It's heated up versions of what they sell. Yeah, which... Except the pizzas. Right? Like, the pizzas, they actually hand make.

Which is insane. Because you sell frozen pizzas. Yeah. But when they changed like the recipe, it went from being this disgusting cardboard pizza to being like New York style, like delicious cheese pizza. So I actually would say it's probably not.

They're not just serving you the frozen ones. It's unlikely if, if that's that difference of a macro. However, I would also like to point out i have not been able to at any point google to confirm the macros it has been different can't we get someone at a lab or someone to figure this out like this seems like a science project for a high school or something yeah like we'll get jake from state farm on it or something like somebody that knows how to

him and price can can get together it's gonna be like nine it's gonna like it's like nine or ten ounces of chicken to equate to that much pro i mean i guess they're counting like the cheese and shit look like cheese it's just it's just yeah but i mean like it's cheese caesar dressing and just bread and chicken like there's no fucking protein and caesar if there's caesar dressing in there then those calories are off too. Yeah, the fat has to be way higher. Because Caesar dressing is a nightmare. A nightmare of calories. I honestly don't buy the fucking chicken

bake macros, so that's why I was really anxious for Tanner's video. So I guess tune in next week and we'll review Tanner's video on the chicken bake and critique it if we didn't go into enough detail or liking. I'm sure I'll get around to watching that at some point. Is that coffee in that mug there?

Water. I switched from coffee. Then I just put water in it. So it's, it's water. It's like hop. It's like hop water, but coffee,

water, a lot of hop talk lately. And I still don't know what hops is. So one of these days I'll figure it out. I'm going to, I'm going to mail you so many hops. It's kind of like sweet iris spring soap like i don't know yeah um i was mentioning bench earlier and mckinnon they both have hops fields on their farm but bench specifically grows about three or four different kinds of hops um but we haven't been back since we went walking through and then on the way

out, my wife turns to me and goes, uh, you can't get in the car like that. And I'm like, what do you mean? And she goes, look at your pants.

I was covered in spider mites. Oh really? No, like, like from my ankles to my knees. Doused in spider mites, because I guess they were just living in the hops field. At McKinnon, they have goats and chickens that live in their hops field to avoid that from happening. But at Bench, I guess they were just like bareback and they're just like, well, sure, this is just a deal of itself.

Bareback, hardly newer. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, we haven deal of itself. Bareback. Hardly knew her. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, we haven't been back to bench. We don't go in the fields anymore because of that. Because, yeah, that was, I didn't even notice. And she's like, look at you. You ever seen a spider mite, Keith?

I don't. I was just at Spider and I was just kind of grossed out by that. There's thousands of them on me. They're little tiny guys about the size of fleas. And they're just everywhere. So, Big Chris, I got one more question I want to ask before we – well, Joey could ask one more if he wants, but we should probably move into our game here shortly. But I want to – one more I want to follow up with. So, I was perusing your Instagram, and I can't tell if my phone color was off or not, but are you a fan of orange?

And do you actually have – do you have orange shoes, base, and socks, or was my eyes misleading me? Instagram and I can't tell if my phone color was off or not, but are you a fan of orange? And do you actually have an, uh, do you have orange shoes, base and socks or was my eyes misleading me? I am a fan of orange. I don't know why I have like, yeah, I was always known for an orange base. Um, I bought the, actually I bought this, um, stupid cheap, like, like really crappy orange bass and i bought it solely for the the color and i put literally like 1200 like got a new neck got a new tuners got new pickups like everything but the body was you know replaced it was it was kind of silly i probably wouldn't better off just like building a bass than doing what i did but yeah i'm a big orange fan i have orange chucks and yeah love the orange perfect that's what we like to hear wow kindred spirits yeah um well like i don't i'm not quite ready to get into our game yet so i i noticed there's an extremely high amount of bassists in the crew

agreed i think you're our fourth if i'm being honest and we're only at episode like 91 so who is your favorite bassist i've've asked everybody some version of this. I think the last person we had on, we went off about what's his face? Robert Trujillo. He finger sweeps too, right? He's incredible.

His chops are just unreal. He's crazy to watch. Les Claypool has obviously come up a bunch of times. Peter Steele did not come up enough, I think, from Typo Negative. Yeah, Typo Negative's fun. He's super fun. What a performer. And everything he does.

I remember watching somebody's reaction video where they were like, are you listening to the Discord in this song? And he had this weird harpsichord Discord in the background. And she's like, that is made to confuse you. And you're listening to this song and it's a metal song and you're fine. But this Discord.

So who would be, if you were like, if I could have 10 minutes of lessons from this bassist, who would that be? It's also probably because it's from my favorite band, but Chris Wolfen, I got to say it right. Chris Wolfenholm, I think, from Muse. Muse? Like Muse, M-u-s-e yeah that's an astounding answer i was not expecting that at all yeah he's in his chops are just like like there's players who play faster but it's the same thing with like guitar players and drummers like okay you can play faster but like his note selection his tones like he like, I was always like a big pedal guy, like had a few overdrives had like some, you know, sub octave stuff. And that's where I picked up from him. And now there's like,

um, like Royal, that was before Royal blood existed, like Royal bloods freaking awesome. And, but he was before that. And I mean, I know everyone talks about Tim Comerford from rage. He's also like one of my heroes, but like Chris pushed it forward. Like he, his unique sounds like he was just unique,

like such a, and he always played for the song. Like there's songs where he like, he's ripping it. And there's songs where like, he's just playing a part that fills like it just fills the void that needs to be filled and that's what we want out of a rhythm section right yeah it's nice to have a rhythm forward tool primus uh like a typo negative before

their rhythm forward right but yeah and then you don't want somebody overpowering so i can appreciate that answer i was not expecting that answer. That's a, that's a. Yeah. Like let's Claypool. I don't even consider him a bassist. He's more of like a drummer.

Like he's like the way he plays is so different. Like it's. Yeah. He's bonky bonk, right? He's doing. But then like, he goes insane and he pulls out a cello.

Yeah. Like Mr. Kringle. And you're like, what? But I think that my friend and i always joked that like primus is what happens when art students make music yeah right like they're muslims yeah i am no judgment here um i know but like yeah but that's exactly what they are um

all right um so i of course i want to mention Obsidian Ammonia tonight. You know, we do have our code going. It is code unpaid. It does give you 15% off. I do want and encourage everybody to jump in on this big sale that they've got going. I think by the time you hear this, it's going to be gone. But the Pumpkin Spice Lobotomy is out. The Golden Ticket Awards are out.

You can win up to, I think it was like $1,500 or something stupid like that in Obsidian stuff. Or if you just want to take a hit of that Dim Mac Redux and tag me in a video, I'd love to see that because man, I took a hit see that because, man,

I took a hit of that Fireball Whiskey one, which is also out again the other day, and I think my eyeball shriveled into the back of my head because I just got a little too close to the bottle. It's good stuff. It works. Use code unpaid. Alright. Well,

Big Chris, we have this game we like to play. A little unpaid or underrated. Not the same as someone's game that's called overrated or underrated. This is something we've completely come up with that's original. So unpaid would be something you think is not so good, and underrated is pretty sweet. So if you want, we can go ahead and dive right in on that and I can kick it off for us. Let's go with punctuality. What's your opinion, unpaid or underrated on being punctual? I hear you have a strong opinion on this and I want to hear all about it.

I'm a math guy. Like I believe in numbers and like I have a pretty nerdy job. Like even though like it's awesome. Like I do a lot of marketing, but I do a lot of like just number things. So I see things from a numbers perspective. And if I like, I mostly hate when I'm late, I hate it. Like I get sick to my stomach because I think, well, if I'm five minutes late and there's six people, well, that's not, that's not five minutes. That's 30 minutes.

Well, it's 35 minutes. Cause I'm late plus these six people. So I'm saying underrated. Like if people are, I, I, like, I appreciate it. And if you're going to be late, act like you're late, like come in in a rush. Don't come in with a Frappuccino sauntering in and like disrupting or like, you know, whatever you're late for, like act like you're late. That's funny.

I, I, I know it's not my question to answer, but it's so funny to hear that because I don't care. I have an employee who's perpetually five to six minutes late every day and I started giving them grief for it and it didn't change and eventually i was like you know what you start at 106 like you just you just start at 106 that is your life from now on uh it's so funny that but but when i'm late i'm sending texts i'm calling i'm apologizing i'm just i'll be there there's traffic i'm sorry like but for him i was just like yeah whatever you're just late all the time that's like that's exactly how i feel like i work for

a marketing agency and um think of 2023 madmen um essentially and there are some creatives here and a lot of creatives aren't morning people. And like, there was a guy, like I told him, I was like, dude, don't be here at eight. Don't be here at nine. Cause you look like that.

The first two hours of his day, he looks like he's going to die. Like he just looked like he looks sick. Like he looked like, like this is a hard thing for him. I'm like, just be here when you get here and just stay later. And you're like,

guess what? His work was better. Like his life was better. He was happier. I'm like, yeah, don't just get your shit done. I don't care.

Yeah. And that's, it's such a weird thing that I think goes back to, you know, the, the people that started the companies before us, it's like, I'm sorry.

I know that like you, you sold more than anybody else last month, and I know that your metrics are really good, but you're five minutes late, and that's going to be a problem. It absolutely is not a problem. When you get here, you're productive, you put in your time, and you do the things I ask you to do. I am not going to start adjusting your schedule or your pay or anything like that over your five minutes right because when you get here you show up and you're good

right but meanwhile if i ask you to be 15 minutes early you show up and you're miserable you know you're grumpy you haven't had your coffee all that shit like then you're useless to me i'd rather not even have you here so that's that i'm glad we're on the same the same uh stream on that one yeah i'm on the opposite end of that because like in my position like we all we all show up to the warehouse we get our shit for the day and we all get in one or two trucks and we all leave together so if someone's five minutes late that means we're getting to the job five minutes late that means we're if we're stopped to get gas we're going to be late to the job or we have to speed to get there so that person selfishly in five minute lights fucks everyone else's day up and puts us getting home later every day and i can see that like if he's if you know this me or this

other person are the next step of coverage for somebody that's been working alone for an hour or two and they might need to use the bathroom being late might matter and that's a different conversation right but if you being here doesn't affect the rest of us as long as your work gets done that's a different yeah i get that it's a little more flexible area but i just i don't have that kind of setup um let's see. Number two of unpaid... Did you actually... Do you actually give us an unpaid or underrated rating? I'm trying to get my druthers first

to the best of my ability. Druthers are new. So unpaid or underrated? Oh, I did say underrated. Okay, my bad. Okay, so we're good. We can move on then. Number two. Unpaid or underrated licorice of any flavor? It doesn't matter if it's a Twizzler, like the Red Vines, black, unpaid.

It's rubber. It's sweet're eating you're eating good years now was that just an opinion you've always had or did you have like did you like choke on licorice as a child and she's like instilled in you to like did licorice attack your parents i don't know if i like it was a commercial or yeah did something happen no like it's not like you know where you get sick on chinese food and you can't eat it for a long time like no i just so it's not the flavor it's the consistency for you yeah because i'll put like i'll start to eat it and i'm like oh i like this and then i'm like then like three seconds go by and i'm like i have to spit this out like this is i i recently bought an entire bag of black licorice cigars i don't know if you've ever seen those but

they're a soft licorice with the like red things on the bottom my kids hate yeah kids hate them but if i buy the the little they're called um licorice buddies and they're just like babies that taste like black licorice they love those those. So, the flavor, they're all about, but that consistency of that soft licorice flavor... Now, controversial opinion, Discord's going to come after me for this one. If it's not black

licorice, it's not licorice. So, the flavor of black licorice comes from a plant that's called licorice. Red licorice comes from a plant that's called licorice red licorice is artificially flavored wax it's kind of like maple syrup yeah like like a lot of kids like i like real make we have real maple syrup in our house we're sticklers on it like you my wife is too what's the ingredient maple syrup yep a lot of kids like the fake stuff you get at McDonald's because it's sweeter. It's a different type of sweet.

Well, Aunt Jemima is maple syrup, but it isn't. It's trash. It's from concentrate. Yeah, not good. not good i actually don't think that licorice opinion will be that controversial but red licorice is flavored wax it's trash black licorice is the only real licorice and people that don't like it are wrong i don't think i've ever had black licorice i think i've only ever had like twizzlers and like twizzler adjacent like knockoff brand stuff i don't know that i've ever yeah but even twizzlers black licorice is still black licorice-flavored wax. Right? But it's still...

I'm not saying the word again. I'm going to run that word into the ground, and I'm going to end up getting called out for saying it so many times. It's almost a vulgar word. It could be that it's so licorice-ish. Just drink more Jager. Drink more Jager, as you call it.

Yeah, I don't like that. Remember drinking some Jaeger and then licorice-er? Jaeger is also like being in a band. There was a good 10-year period where everyone was like, oh, what are you going to get the band for shots? Jaeger. It was before Fireball came out. And they get the band for Jaeger.

And you're like, well, I hate licorice, but I'm not. Like, you know, if someone buys it, you take a shot. If I do a shot, it's usually just a shot of whiskey because I know what I'm getting into. You do a shot of Crown. You know the trouble you're getting into. No, I'll drink Jaeger all day, all day, every day. No. It is the greatest flavor.

I have been on pressure. I've been pressuring the social media team at Jaeger Canada and essentially told them I'm going to make my own Jaeger lifting shirt. And they didn't argue. So look out on my social media soon for a Jaeger lifting team. Nice. All right, Big Chris, my last one here. Oh, we're still doing this yeah yeah

we're the worst like it's so much fun though like like because a lot of these could have been good questions that we could have had a lot of banter with so we kind of like you know we got to pull those threads when they're there so my last one for a little unpaid or underrated you know the game that we created all by ourselves is bumper stickers. What is your opinion on bumper stickers, unpaid or underrated? I mean, you can use them not just for your car. So like your kayak, like we have kayaks, you know, you can use them on anything. Like they're got a bumper.

Yeah. Like I've got, oh, I don't have my emotional support water bottle but um like you can cover you know things with bumper stickers so underrated like they're they're good for everything so so what is the threshold of bumper stickers until you look like an insane person oh there's oh i know is there a number i love the idea of like you know or is it a coverage like is it like a like like oh i have a bigger yeah it's like is it is it is it a ratio of square footage to vehicle or is it as soon as you like is like 10 too many uh because if you have a big vehicle you could have a lot of bumper stickers yeah if it was like a van i mean once you reach like

i don't know yeah once you reach a dozen you look kind of crazy and the plate but really if you had two on your windshield you're insane like the placement matters like if you had two on your windshield you're okay like on your back windshield no i'm talking if you had two on your windshield, you're like on your back windshield. No, I'm talking, if you put two on your front windshield, you're nuts. Like that's gotta be against the law.

That has to be against. I know. I know. But people do crazy stuff. Like, like this is just me complaining about like, I love South Dakota, but like there people park on the wrong side of the road here all the time.

Like they park against traffic and you see it all the time. Like they park against traffic. You see it all the time. And I'm like, like in a residential area and it dries. Like it's, it's busy. These are uptown problems, but like,

like what's wrong with you? Like you can't do that. I have, um, so on, I don't have any bumper stickers because my wife is adamantly against them, but I have three stickers and they're all vinyl window stickers. So I have three on my window.

So I guess I count as insane. One is Black Label Society. The other one is McKinnon Brewery. And the other one is Lift Evil SMDFDB. Which if you guys know Frank means suck my dick from the back

so up here in canada there's a big political movement where everybody's putting their political opinions all over their cars and they're running around honking and screaming and all that and then i was like well i want everybody to know how i feel about it so i put the smtf tv up there it's like just i'm politically neutral on that one um i have had people full-on pull over roll down their window and go does that mean what i think it means i had some lady the other day dying laughing at me so she must have googled it like she was she was in the passenger seat she was dying as she drove by. She must have Googled it. But, you know. Well, you made someone's day.

Like, they could be entertaining. Like, when you see someone with, like, I don't know. Like, in the office I work at, there's a lawyer. And I found out she has all of these, like, Bigfoot stickers. That's great. Yeah, it's like, oh, like, she's weird. That's cool. Being weird is cool yeah and i the guy it was in the middle of the the city too i he pulled over who i said roll down your window

and i rolled down my window he says does that mean suck my dick fucking douchebag and i was like yeah kinda and he goes i told him what it really means and he goes that's great i told my wife about this nice so love it i don't know bumper stickers are kind of assigned like when you see somebody they got like 30 of them right and it's like what did they pick something pick just one thing that you feel that strongly about but when you've got 30 of them, whether I align with you or not, you look crazy. You look like there's a ratio where like, if you've got a hatchback and you've got enough bumper stickers that some of

them are peeling off and fading, maybe calm down a bit. Yeah. I only have a few of my car, but I have them like elsewhere, like on every book, like every, like,

yeah, things like that. Everything's a bumper. If you're not a coward. Yeah. Yeah. I think I have a four on my car. I don't have any of my bumper per se,

but I could get a lift decal on like a side, a rear side window. I have a, like a West Virginia emblem on the other side window and then i think a garage gym experiment and then uh no wine cellar uh so yeah i think those are the four i have on my car but i don't know wine cellar never heard of it i might name my gym that somebody wanted some asshole was like yeah i think i can't remember last time it was he was he was

like uh oh i'm gonna name my gym that or something that's really funny i was like no no you won't but you can buy a shirt if you want chris do you have a home gym or are you commercial gym i so i mix i do two days at home and then two days at the gym uh i like the mix and right now i'm i'm getting ready for my first ever strongman i've never i'm just doing it for fun hell yeah so one day i go to a like i my work as a uh membership to like a you know commercial gym or like you know commercial gym but then i go to like one that has strongman stuff so i'm like you know figuring actually best part about the crew is everyone's been like messaging me, giving me tips like, Oh,

do a keg press like this. Like, cause I have no idea what I'm doing. Like you're just watching YouTube videos and trying to figure it out. Yeah. I talked to Scott Dodds, talk to Godzilla. You ever seen his keg?

You ever seen his kegs throwing stuff? No, I don't think, or maybe I got a bunch of videos. Say I just like, I have a playlist saved like just saved i'm like just watching people like oh so most people would deadlift a keg put it in their lap and then press it and dodzilla throws it up to his chest catches it and then

presses it i talked about that last week yeah that's the dude you want to talk to if i had to do that stuff so what do you call your home gym is it a dungeon a pit or what i i call it uh the bar and it's because we have like a home bar next like in our basement too that's the bar that's the dream bar what yep when i officially do my basement that's the dream put the bar next to the bar yeah all right i guess it's my turn yes All right. Unpaid or underrated Sturgis motorcycle rally. Oh, so the Sturgis motorcycle rally happens. I've gone to every rally since 03, and it started out with it's in the Black Hills and started out with some bikers you know from world war ii post world war ii were a little you know a little crazy and they started just meeting up once a year

and now it's officially 10 days a year it's the first full week of august every year and our state's population doubles in that time period the entire state's population doubles in that time period. The entire state's population doubles and it's insane how many people are there. And there's a lot of good, like there's a lot of free and like, or affordable live music. So absolutely underrated.

Like it's great people watching. It's actually in this day and age, really safe. Like people worry like, Oh, there's hell's angels there. I'm like, yeah'm like yeah like yeah there's sons of silence and stuff like that but like if you're on like the main streets if you're not going down like some weird campground with like some stranger and that could be anywhere like yeah you'd be and you could be in danger but like there's like we saw limp biscuit this year that was i it free i like i'm a fred durst

i was a fred durst hater and limp biscuit fan like i loved their sound like those heavy guitars and like cool rhythm section but didn't i really didn't like limp it you know fred durst um but we saw them at the buffalo chip and they uh that's like one of my top five best concerts i've ever been to like he just fronted the band well he actually like did his white boy rap and singing really well like he front like it was a great show but like there's it's kind of like the way nashville is where there's every bar has a band all night you know like starting at noon till two in the morning like it's it's it's a good time did limp biscuits basically play like their greatest hits from like the late 90s early 2000s or were they just trying to pump out some

new shit it was all it was all the stuff i knew like it was all nice i mean i knew every single that was also probably part of it like the nostalgia i was like i'm in high school yeah that would be a cool concert yeah i, I hate Limp Bizkit. But you know every word. But I recognize like 11 of these songs. Yeah, I knew every single word. You're just like, oh my God, this is incredible. Yeah. For the record, their new album is pretty good.

I haven't heard it yet. They weren't even selling merch. They must have just flown in. That's hilarious. Yeah, it's called Limp Bizkit Still Sucks. They must have just flown in. That's hilarious. It's called Them Biscuits Still Sucks. It's actually a great album. It has the tops and downs.

They're all original members. When they performed, I was like, oh, there's Wes Borland. He left for a while, right? Yeah, that was kind of a big thing. There was two albums he wasn't on. One of them had that song, Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive was a pretty decent song, but only from a big thing. There was two albums he wasn't on, and one of them had that song, Eat You Alive. And Eat You Alive was a pretty decent song, but only from a metal perspective. But yeah, he came back for this album, at least.

Yeah, they were awesome. All right. Unpaid or underrated? Krav Maga. You're talking the martial arts uh yeah when you talked about what is essentially modern day mma earlier i was like well now i want to hear what he thinks about krav maga because um krav maga is well it is it's dirty it's fighting it it is modern day mma so i just wanted to have an opinion on it i i have only a mild opinion on it um but it's kind of how i feel about rest like if you go into a bar and you see someone have cauliflower ear you go don't fight that guy or they have like

they obviously broke their nose a few times don't fight that guy if i find out someone's you know into krav maga i'm not gonna like we're not gonna roll i'm gonna get my ass beat like because they're gonna do stuff it's like i was talking about our lead singer like you're gonna do stuff so you don't it's not so you win it's so you will not lose like they're gonna punch you in the throat or something like you're gonna it's not gonna be like a roadhouse fight where you both punch each other you shake hands and go home like cowboys like no this isn't gonna be fun so was that unpaid or underrated i think it's underrated because it's terrifying it's

terrifying okay yeah yeah i agree um i once read a book called how to be batman and it was written by a martial artist and kinesiologist from here in Hamilton, Ontario. And he said, if you were going to be Batman, first, you're not going to be muscular. You're not going to be fast enough or strong enough if you look like that. And he says, second of all,

you're going to take Krav Maga. That's going to be the fighting style that Batman has always and will always use. And I thought I'd throw that in there when you mentioned earlier modern day mma because i've seen krav maga i've been thinking of taking it um but it's it's dangerous shit like that's like jujitsu on steroids is what it reminds me it's like like except i'm not using your arm to flip you i'm using your penis like yeah exactly

yeah it's like everything is made to harm you. Yeah, disable. It is not a fight. You're going to disable your opponent. Yeah, it's like war fighting. It's not police fighting. It's war fighting. Yeah.

Yep. Oh, terrible. I think this is going to be the last one. Unpaid or underrated, and this has come up before, Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren. Ooh. So I'm a Star Wars fan. I heard.

We heard. But I don't feel like I'm hardcore. I'm just into the movies. I don't read it. Um, like I love the original three and honestly only a select few of the new stuff I've loved. Like rogue one. I liked a lot. Actually the first new one,

I think, uh, God, this is a hard one. Yes. Cause I, cause I actually, I like him.

I like him and i like his character i've said before that he's probably one of the most powerful jedis we've ever seen in a movie i i agree like he's yeah one of the most powerful but then he's such a whiny bitch like my my issue is like my issue with him is probably based around the movies he came about. Like, even like if you said like the first three movies, Luke loved them. And I'm talking four,

five, six, we're going to get nerdy. Yeah. Like loved it all the way. Loved him. But then in the later movies, he's acting like,

like you said, a bitch, like he's acting in a way that Luke would not act. Luke was brave. Luke was like, I didn't like the said, a bitch. Like he's acting in a way that Luke would not act. Luke was brave. Luke was like, I didn't like the way he was written. Like he forced projects himself and that's how he ends up dying. Like that was a lame way to die.

Like, like that, that was, that is a shitty way to die. It's like your, your ghost goes out and kills you. Like, why can't you just do it yourself?

I, I'm going to say unpaid just i don't i i and i really like him and i think he's a great character i just i felt like like actually i would have liked it if he would have uh like in the ending movies um i think they just could have written him better i just think like like and it's not even his, his character, it's the scenes he's in and the way he's used. He should have been like more, even more menacing.

If he was even more the way he really was like at the beginning and like even less conflict, like, like what was the first one? The, the first new one, um, number six,

no four, five, six, seven. What was that one called? When he kills... When he kills... Or no, was it seven or eight? When he kills Han... It's the second movie he's in. Or it's the end of the first, when he kills Han.

When he kills Han... Or, hold on. That was awesome, though. That was like... Or Han kills... Or does Han kill himself? Oh, that's... he kills Han. Or, hold on. That was awesome though. That was like, or Han killed, or does Han kill himself? Oh, that's because he knew what he was going into.

He definitely put himself into danger. Did he, did he activate the lightsaber because he knew it would save his son? Hmm. I've not heard this. Uh-huh. Cause they don't show it. Hmm. I've not heard this. Uh-huh. Because they don't show it. Yeah. You just see the lightsaber go through Han Solo,

and the theory is that he knew that by sacrificing himself, he would save Kylo Ren, or he would save his son, because his son says, I don't know if I can do what I have to do. And Han says, then don't and pulls the trigger because that would bring him back to the light side because there's only three Jedis on the planet that have ever gone

dark to light. I like it. Anakin, Luke and Kylo. So that is the theory there. Obviously there's no way to prove it and nobody's ever going to prove it but there is that theory

that Han sacrifices himself to save his son I like the fan theories like I like how you can get weird like you can get deep and isn't that weird watch the movie again no I will know I gotta show my kids it for the first time.

Like we went through all the movies and that was cool. That was fun. I just always hearken back to one hand holding the laser, the other hand choking a person. And he slowed everything down around him. And nobody had ever done anything that force intensive in any movie. And you're watching it just like, yeah,

that's really cool. But when you think back on it, you're just like, what? Like Yoda lifted a plane. Great. But he did all of that. Yeah.

Just badass. He was a fucking badass badass but then he turned into a bit of a bitch yeah i didn't like his character development that might be like what it turned out to be yeah i agree so as a as a big rogue one fan i'm assuming you watched all the disney spinoffs or the new Disney Star Wars stuff. Is there the one that takes you? No. There's the prequel to Rogue One that I think I've seen. I haven't watched Ashoka yet. I have not watched Ashoka. I haven't either.

I've watched the first three or four. I don't have any familiarity with her character whatsoever, so it's borderline useless to me. I will financially and audibly support Rosario Dawson until the day i die that is why i am watching isoka but if if rogue one is your favorite definitely even if you have to get disney for like a free trial or something watch the one that was the prequel i don't know

why i can't think of the damn name of it but it was like it was my favorite one out of all the that wasn't solo was it no no this was like a so it was like a like a mini series on you know i haven't even watched that one i can't think of the damn name of it though i haven't even watched that so like the main male character from robe one it was like he was oh yeah yeah in the show what the fuck is the name of it that would be cool but it's a really i enjoyed that one the most i think out of all really because that's the one everybody says is the worst i thought uh i haven't watched the bounty hunter was the worst one and it was still okay you thought

wit i'm sorry fucking what it was still good but out of like rank actually no the which one mandalorian or boba fett boba fettett. Mandalorian, my legs. Boba Fett was okay. You are making enemies right now, my friend. Also, I can't think of anyone's names, but the more recent one, what was the...

Hmm. Yeah, I didn't like Kenobi so much either. That one was... you got i don't know i've watched them all but there's too much good tv like there's too much like you didn't like kenobi versus i why can't i think of the number that the rogue one is called oh that's you you you didn't like darth vader being the most badass he's ever been. I don't know. I don't, I guess I...

Oh, you're going to yawn when you're talking about this? Dude, I'm so tired. Like, that was the best part of Rogue One. Like, the ending. Like, that was so, like, that's what we've always wanted. I'll consume all the media. Darth Vader, at the end of Ken kenobi pulling down a whole ass ship with his bare hands it was just weird seeing him actually get like his reins kind of released so

it was like we were seeing like the side of darth vader we knew we would that he actually was so he was always scary a little bit because of his potential and this showed you his hatred and his rage and his full like what he could do when he wanted to and you're telling me i'm just that the casino one was better chris deal with my man i can't i don't know it's you're allowed to have an opinion but i don't know i know but we have to have like pretend really hard line stances on these things that don't matter and or was the one that i and or yeah and or that's it i think the movies i have like the the the movies i have harder takes, like I have way harder opinions on like,

um, like I, I don't think Ray should have lived like at the end of the movies. That would have been a, that would have been a great message. Like, I think my, my biggest issues with the movies are like,

they didn't like, I, it's like, they didn't think about the way they were writing them and like what the message is like if she would have sacrificed herself like that would have been cool like if she would have like died to for something but it's like oh well it's now a disney ending the bad guy died the princess wins yeah the princess wins it's like the new disney ending and it's like well you know like like my favorite endings are when the the good guy loses like rocky won he loses but because he loses like even though he was

in the fight that made him win like those are the type of stories i want to see like make it hard and dramatic i agree to an extent i i will never tell you that Andor was better than anything oh Keith I love you you haven't seen it yet how can you have an opinion was that your third no yeah we're done unpaid and underrated

and you're right I haven't watched Andor yet because I couldn't I tried watching the first episode and it was so fucking boring I veiled so but that's again I tried watching the first episode and it was so fucking boring. I bailed. So, but that's again, I'm sure the discord will have a lot more issues with this than we do. But now it's time.

I think for Chris to reverse this situation and big Chris, what do you got for us? So we're talking about hot takes. I thought I would start with my biggest hot take of the show. I want you guys to say something. I'm going to try to get you... You each have to say this.

So, in Africa, there are buffaloes. Here in North Dakota and South Dakota and the Midwest, we have what? What's the animal? Bison. Jeez.

It's a bison. The bison? I die every time you say bison. It kills me. I had to get used to say it. I had to have a reason. It's a bison.

Bison. It's a bison. It's like a hard Z and I'm saying it with an s kind of I say with an s yeah you're saying phonetically I'm saying because it's just fucking how I read it it's bison that's like a northern thing

I think I love it though why has no one talked about that actually so I have been called out for it in the discord it might have even been by you I don't remember who said it but somebody did say I say it weird but like it's

I don't know time to pronounce letters it's great you pronounce extra letters in your name with your Canadian alphabet no I don't we put them in what do you mean well because you was it you because z is zed right wasn't that the whole thing is that yeah we see that yeah so that's still one syllable z that's so much more work

if you didn't if you just isn't your just goes to the top of your mouth and you say Zed instead of Zed. There's like weeks of your life wasted by saying Zed. Weeks of my life by saying Zed. Yeah. Wouldn't you like that time back? I'll quit smoking now and get it back. Yeah. What else you got, Chris?

All right. I have another language one, but this is just from your past guests. I've heard, because you get a lot of people from the Midwest and I hear people say this all the time. I'm originally from Colorado, live in South Dakota. And I want you to tell me what each of these two yeah no no yeah yeah so yeah no is um confrontational yeah no is confrontational like if you're in line and somebody steps in front of you you're gonna go yeah no that's not how we're doing this today bud uh and no yeah is when you agree with somebody where somebody's like yo did you like did you watch this the other day oh no yeah yeah i watched that yeah no yeah no yeah i watched that yeah that's how i would see those yeah i would agree with that yeah no we're not doing that today yeah no we're not

doing that today is probably like the first sentence in a Canadian fight. Yeah, no, we're not doing that today. I hear it all the time. Like it's so common. I agree with you though. I think that is correct, but sometimes it can be at the front of a sentence. And sometimes I hear it on the back. You hear yeah, no at a back or no.

Yeah. I've heard, I've heard yeah, no at the back. Like, or it'll be like almost, but then they're usually picking up another sentence. Yeah, so that wouldn't be confrontational if it's at the back of it. Because a yeah, no is a, that's the equivalent of snapping in somebody's face and saying, look at me. So if you put it at the back of a sentence I don't even know what that would be or is that just you know obnoxious

you know is also like when you're explaining something but you think the person doesn't care so you add a you know at the end yeah exactly right like I'm doing it right now like sometimes you talk about things that nobody gives a shit about you know you know no yeah all right um do you guys listen to the sister podcast

while you train if not then what no not a chance no i'm not big not Big Jin. How does Jin do that? I don't know. I don't listen to our podcast. I don't listen to that. I would probably train in complete silence and in the dark if my brain would let me. But what I'll do is put on SiriusXM. Right now, the big one is Rock Bar, which can be anything from heavy metal to country and it's just on in the fucking background because i don't want to laugh during a lift

like even a slight snort is like unacceptable like the snort laugh is unacceptable yeah sorry there's 300 pounds on my shoulders and Tommy just says something so fucking outlandish and I just snort laugh. And now my entire squat session is ruined. Like I can't, I can't have that. Yeah. You know,

yeah, you know, well, like in our band, we had a rule. You can't say funny shit. If we're all moving something, like we had to move something on. Like you can't. It's like a rule. Like that was a rule. Stop being funny.

Yeah. Like someone's going to get hurt. his brother's in a pretty big metal band and i i for some reason saw them on youtube the other day and i just it just reminded right now i just fucking died just listening to this guy so i messaged him and i was like you and your brother have the same sense of humor and i can't imagine doing that like just somebody that funny while you're trying to haul like amps or like uh it's uh i can imagine that all right one more training question because i i like to know this about people training sets and reps talk chris but it's also not how do you how do you log your training like what do you do like how do you physically keep track of your, like, is it a spreadsheet? Is it a. So I have worked with a coach and he assigns all my training

through the true coach app. So everything's in that. Uh, but the true coach app kind of sucks as far as like being able to look at history. Like if he named something literally like one letter different, like if it's something's plural or not plural, like you can't find it under like the search history. So I use that just to get my workout, but then I will nine times out of 10, I have a paper log that I'll still write shit down with. Cause I noticed if I don't have that to like keep track of my sets and reps, like I'm just not as into it mentally sometimes. So I've got like six, seven years worth of like, you know, the same training log I bought off Amazon every, like basically every year. years worth of like, you know, the same training log up off Amazon every like basically every year. And I just keep, you know, starting a new one at the beginning of the calendar year.

So a little bit digital and a little bit paper. Oh, I just use Juggernaut and I have zero attachment to nostalgia or what I've done in the past. And so I just just use Juggernaut. And when I stop using Juggernaut, I'll keep using whatever I use after that. But Juggernaut, you can go and check out all your past stuff, and you can create workouts. You can create types of lifts based on what they focus, and it'll put them in if you need them to or want them to.

So yeah, I'm just using Juggernaut right now. With that said, I do have a spreadsheet that I track all my rep PRs. So from single to like sets of 15 for like literally 30 different like lifts and every variation, high bar, low bar, Duffalo,

high Duffalo, low SSB, close grip, bench, bench, Paul's grip, you know, literally like every variation of like the main three. Uh, cause to're all different like even if it's a 10 pound difference it's still

enough to i basically like i get off on getting like five pound two and a half pound prs like one like my set of seven like if you know you're not always gonna hit a pr and you're single so knowing that you hit a pr on your set of five for a paused bench like i just did that this week i hit like 235 for a set of five balls that was like five pounds more than i've ever done on your set of five for a paused bench. Like I just did that this week. I hit like two 35 for a set of five balls. That was like five pounds more than I've ever done for a set of five balls. So that was pretty cool. Yeah.

You had to like find reasons to celebrate anything in power. Absolutely. Like the old, like, yeah. Like I, I hit a triple on a deadlift, like,

you know, today that was the best I've ever done. I'm like, Oh, things are maybe going better like it's also not a single like yeah this week i was just excited to squat or actually last week i was excited to squat without pain and then this week like i said going into a deload i can't squat shit the empty parts and but i mean it's just do, uh, so I think I've said it before.

I, um, I have bruised my hip flexor. So where the joint and the flexor meet is mostly scar tissue right now. So everything I'm doing right now is just trying to make that hurt a little less. And yeah, so I was able to squat pretty decent weight four reps last week and i'm paying for it this week yeah but juggernaut does not does not give a shit jugger's not like no i do six reps i'm like no like i can barely do three but juggernaut doesn't care juggernaut cares not yeah a year and a half ago i had an appendectomy i actually missed the last show of judd hoose because i it was i actually went uh i should have had the appendectomy on

christmas day like i i was my stomach was really bothering me at first i thought i had like indigestion and then that night like it was like, it's on your whatever it is, your right side, I think. And had an appendectomy, you know, long story. And the next day and when I first started training, I went to go pick up the bar. And I was like, this is too heavy. And that was really depressed. Like, I get like, like recovery is hard. Like, it's depressing.

You're like, I was doing, I was doing deadlifts with dumbbells with like, like two 10, like this is depressing. Yeah. I, today I think I even posted on Instagram. I went downstairs and I just got over a sinus infection. And then my kid waltzed in the room and was like, guess what? I've got another one. Oh, great.

And I'm not going to school this week. And so I went down and like I said, it's a deload, but like, nope. Just when you're breathing sounds like crumbling paper, it's probably not time to lift heavy. Probably not. All right. Couple more. Keep going. What is your favorite Tom Hanks movie?

what is your favorite Tom Hanks movie? And why is it Forrest Gump? Mine would not be Forrest Gump, but that would be a very, very close second. Oh man, Green Mile. I think I said like last time, like you watch that and you don't cry. You a liar like you're a you're a lying man but polar express is up there man polar express was a good one and then my kid liked it and my father-in-law loves it and i'd put it would be a hard fight

between forest gump green mile and polar express and then all of that goes out the window because I'd put, it would be a hard fight between Forrest Gump, Green Mile and Polar Express. And then all of that goes out the window because he played Mr. Rogers. Oh, that was great. Yep. Cried like a baby.

Not going to lie. That was a great movie. I, I've said it before on this podcast and I'll say it a million times again. Mr. Rogers is one of the few people that comes into our lives as humans, comes into the public sector, and is just the closest

thing to what I would see as a saint. Just perfect. And Tom Hanks did him justice in that movie, for sure. And the movie wasn't even about him. The movie was about the reporter interviewing him. I know. It was such a clever way.

Which Mr. Rogers would do. Yep. I would not make a movie about myself. Let's make a movie about you talking to me. I guess I'd probably I think I might go Saving Private Ryan. Like that was I was trying to like scour through his like Tom Hanks top movies.

There's so many good ones, but yeah, saving probably around her. It's hard to beat. And the force comes, force comes up there too. Have you read force come up the book? One,

one, one and two or one or two. I have not. So there are the first one, like decent. It's like, it's really weird. Like the, like the feats that he did and like the historical things that he intervened

on like it's a lot different i think it's i can't remember if it's a second one i think he like he went to outer space in one of them too which was like even like like jumped the shark even farther than what the movie did that's just a palo 13 like another hank thanks movie yep uh But we are all on board that Jenna is the greatest villain of the century. Oh, no, wait. We're going to talk about this.

I almost asked you that question. Who's the villain in Forrest Gump? It's Jenna. For sure. It's not. What? It's her dad. Oh, yeah. dad like abused her like fucking like raped her as a child i believe so yeah okay hold on no that's a literal that's a literary tool called bridging he is not the villain he creates the villain yeah what about, okay, here's the person who I think is the real monster. There's a special needs man sitting on a bus next to you. And he says, those look like really nice shoes.

And you respond with, my feet hurt. That lady's a monster. And Forrest Gump, when she goes, my feet hurt. Like, that's a monster. In Forrest Gump. When she goes, my feet hurt. That's so rude. This guy's obviously special needs and you just say, my feet hurt. But Jenny leads him on for years.

Just completely ignores him. Only sleeps with him when it's convenient for herself. I think she's... Then uses him. Yep. And then somehow just dies gives him aids and dies of aids and like there's a strong argument she is a very good villain but like

in that weird way where you don't think she's a villain not quite a kylo ren but up there yep yeah definitely not a love story as much as they want they wanted us to think it is but like the people that like read books as a 10 year old we might have all thought it was a love story when we watched it the first time but then it's like an adult one like she was pretty shitty of a human yeah fuck her like like she would be like someone's like the worst female experience in like most adults life that that was like if they had to compare like her to like whoever else they ended up with fuck you johnny yeah all right what else you got for us all right one more question

so i don't have a podcast you guys have a podcast we all have a podcast what's the best part about having this podcast? That's a good question. It's a lot of work, but it's a lot of fun. Like it's so much fun. Like it's equal work and fun, but the benefits,

I don't know, just like knowing I really enjoy that. At least one of the hosts listens to it like every Tuesday. I don't know how many episodes Tommy's consumed but I know Tanner listens regularly so that's pretty cool to know that we're in their heads I don't know I enjoy

I don't know it's just fun the recording aspect, this is fun listening back is okay but the actual recording, the banter we get we're going to have two two and a half hours of talking to you so when I see you next year like listening back is okay. But like the actual reporting, like the, this, the banter we get and like, we're going to have two, two and a half hours of talking to you. So when I see you next year,

there's going to be like, I'm not going to be like, wait, who is this guy again? Like I literally had two and a half hours of fucking talking to you face to face. Um, and I have that with like 20 other people so far.

Yeah. We're breaching on, on three. Yeah, I know. I got, I got, I got to go to bed soon.

Oh, good. Yeah. Uh uh i'll definitely throw something out there just just for this and um i almost every thursday tell myself i'm not gonna do this i'm gonna be up front with everybody listening right now almost every thursday i tell myself i can't keep going i'm so. I have so much shit to do. I have my work conference call in the morning, which if I, again, upfront and honest, ruins my day. I hate my work conference calls on Thursday mornings. But because I know I'm doing that in the morning, I know I'm free Thursday night. And today, and even today in particular, I was like, I'm so tired.

I can't. But then I get on and I remember that I love, not like, not enjoy, love what we have done. Massanomics put together their brand. Massanomics put together their clothing. Massanomics put together their Discord. Maznomics put together their clothing, Maznomics put together their Discord, and Keith and I went about and said, we love everybody in this Discord so much that we're going to make sure that everybody else loves them too. And we are going to interview them, and we're going to have fun with them, and we're going to go be silly with them, and we're going to have fun with them and we're going to go be silly with them. We're going to just record this silly little podcast and mirror what they did,

but we're going to do that with each other. I'm regenerated. I'm refreshed. Every time I log in, tired, hungover, exhausted, whatever I am on that day, i log into this zoom call and go yeah that's why and it's because just like we found our people we found specifically the three of us right now could have completely different political religious ideal of all of that different and we said all without saying it and and I'm going to be the first to say it. We're not talking about it. We're not bringing it up. We're not dealing with it right now. We are weightlifters who just want to make each other laugh. And that is what I love about having this podcast in particular is that that is what this is meant

to accomplish. That is what this is meant to do. And when it stops doing it, I'll stop doing it. I don't care how tired I get every day. As long as it continues to do that, I will be here. I feel like we're about to go into unpaid and overrated right now, like play the games. It's almost that. overrated right now like play the games it's almost that i i it's it's weird that you asked that question on this exact day because my wife even looked at me today and she's like are you even having fun anymore and i was like i'll let you know at the end of this recording

yeah like that's that's of course i am of course i am i'm still having fun every time i log on but also like i'm so tired I'm so tired all the time. Kids are sick. I'm sick. I've been sick for weeks, but like, this is the reason we do it. Are you sure you,

you didn't sleep with Jenny because you, you, you might, you think you have something. Yeah. Jenny. The secret is you're always tired. Yeah.

I'm always tired. Yeah. I can't just woke up in a screaming in the background right now yeah i agree with everything joey said um and like yeah this is a lot of work man i i invest at least three hours a week building the show notes and talking with people and you know emailing because i i couldn't just dm your brother and your fucking bandmate because they don't know how to use Instagram. Then I had to copy and paste everything into email and then it didn't work

because I had to go through and individually type out the emails and shit. It was just a lot of work getting back and forth to people. This two and a half, three hours is just fun. The moment this is not fun or there's any political and religion talk,

I resign. I saw that earlier today. I agree. like the moment this is not fun or there's any political and religion talk i've resigned so yeah i saw that earlier today i and i i agree i i am very i don't give a flying fuck about anyone's religious or you know political opinions whatsoever and like i hope you don't mind either so yeah this is not this is not why we're here that's not why we're here no so why haven't you listened to every episode until you became a guest like i've listened to every i've listened to every one of your episodes okay yeah okay cool because the massonomics i think the the catalog i mean the catalog is it like it's so deep like i barely keep up with like the show as it is. Cause like,

you know, I'll listen to it. Like my drive to work is only 10 minutes. So that's 10 minutes of like, you know, I wish I could lift. Like I totally get it. I could not listen to the podcast and lift.

Like, I wish I could, cannot like that. That's an impossibility. I can, I can cardio and podcast and book tape because like that's i can do a shit ton of media on like my my daily walks but yeah i even warming up i wouldn't like there's sometimes like if i'm in the middle of a podcast and like it's just my

stretching or my like you know my whatever like all those like five minutes the podcast but as soon as my hands touch a barbell or there's even any intent to touch a barbell it's got to be fucking like blaring loud like metal music so and and just to wrap this up because honestly we are getting into three hours right now exponentially longer exponentially longer that's a good point um i don't listen to the back i don't think we use that word right i don't listen to the back catalog and it's not because i don't think we use that word right. I don't listen to the back catalog, and it's not because I don't want to. It is a time crunch most of the time, but it's also just like, do I want to listen to the Judd Huston without Chris Hornick? Do I want to listen to Slipknot before George Rodgerson left? Every band has its era.

Well, I think Masonomics' era of era of episode i think 225 and on is where i want to be yeah and from what you guys have told me it's probably great and i'll probably learn more about the lore and all of that stuff but i think i want to know them from then on i want to know what they are now which is the thing that attracted me to them you just want to know what they are now, which is the thing that attracted me to them. You just want to like the things you like, not like figure out why it became the thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's okay. Well, I appreciate that. And those are really good questions for us.

They were. Yeah. You caught me. You got me to go serious. You got me a little serious, which is sneaky, very sneaky. I do appreciate that. You said you've listened to all of our episodes. I feel like we've had some guests on that just kind of like had to like

rush, listen to a couple of them towards the end. So like our goal was to get like with all the scheduling I've done the last couple of months, my goal has been like, if you're at the list for Lizzie lifts, hard, live easy classic,

you like shoot to the top of the list. If you actively interact with us on discord or Instagram, like shoot to the top of the list if you actively interact with us on discord or instagram you're at the top of the list like if you never say anything on instagram or discord and you weren't lift hard live easy classic like you might not be on the podcast and you might not be you know it'll be a long time till like i even know you'll be on the podcast someday yeah you'll probably be on but i'm not if you've yeah i said earlier i like when they get it yeah and if i pull you in and you've never even listened to an episode of us exactly gonna be one of those hard massonomics people to get anything out of it's not gonna be fun to listen to it's not gonna be fun to watch it's not gonna be fun to be on because we're gonna have to like

do the work for you whereas people like yourself ch, Chris, and people like people we've had in the past that get it. Yeah. They know why they're here. A slight workaround I've been doing on that recently is I'm trying to start scheduling two weeks out. So the person that's going to be the guest has 14 days to essentially listen to at least a handful of our episodes. I think most part everyone's listened to some of us. is to essentially like listen to at least a handful of our episodes you know yeah i think most part everyone's listened to you know some of us well i i did see your spreadsheet and i think you have some great people coming up um but i think big matt coming on is is honestly the thing

i'm really looking forward to um i did see that on the spreadsheet and big matt like man like we're ready for you man just don't stiff us again like next time i call you a better answer um i think i'm gonna wrap this up because we are going on to three hours yeah oh nate's gonna kill us um i'm big joey find me on instagram uh unpaid intern podcast.com uh guys feel free to see us out on this one. Yeah. Big Keith. KeithHoneyGets73. Go follow my gym, The No Wine Cellar. My orange gym, that is.

Go follow our podcast. I already closed my Google Sheets because I can't think of our website. What is it? It's UnpaidIntern.com, correct? And I already said it. That's my favorite part. Oh. Well, you said our Instagram.

No, I said UnpaidInternPodcast.com. Well, then go follow our Instagram, too. No, I said unpaid intern podcast.com. Well, then go follow our Instagram. So my wife's going to kill me. It's fucking 1130, man. I know that I've been keeping her up. So yeah. Where can we find you, buddy? At Chris Hornick.

Easy. That's it. Just, just Instagram. You're not anywhere else. I'm on, I'm on other things, but I'm mostly on Instagram. That's the one we want. Yeah. To find you on. on Instagram. That's the one we want to find you on. Alright.

That's it. Use code unpaid. Use code unpaid. I'm also fucking exhausted. I'm about tapped out. Alright, everybody. Hope you've enjoyed this. Hopefully, it's just under a three-hour episode. Hopefully, Big Nate can just put two minutes of dead air so we can like

actually breach three hours. But until then, we'll go ahead and see you next Tuesday.