Unpaid And Underrated - 022 : Surprise Cats

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Nathan. They dive right into great topics like grinding knurling, tasting things, Swifties, Build Fast Formula and the magic of vasoblitz. Links Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) Our Guest On Instagram @nathanthomas.bff (https://www.instagram.com/nathanthomas.bff/) Build Fast Formula (https://buildfastformula.com) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guests: Big Jaked Nate and Big Scants.

and welcome back to the unpaid and underrated podcast we are the podcast by crew for crew this is episode 13 and welcome everyone i am your host big keith i'm joined as always by my colleague big joey hello there and our special crew guest this week big nathan thomas how's it Big Keith. I'm joined as always by my colleague, Big Joey. Hello there. And our special crew guest this week, Big Nathan Thomas. How's it going, guys? We are doing well. It is big. Oh, yeah, Nate's already freezing up.

This is going great already. I'm hoping my internet hangs in there. It's not the best. I'm like three feet from my router, so i'm assuming i've always been fine but also this is canada we just have better internet whoopty i believe it i've ordered fiber optic like i'm on the list to get it installed so hell yeah if this ends up cutting out enough i'll do my normal and just go grab my airpods and you know sit on my phone. But ideally, we can make it work.

As we like to say in the industry, we'll do it live. Yes, we will do it live. What are you drinking tonight, Big Nate? I'm always drinking Propel. Oh, nice. We are just Propel House. We should have probably started buying stock like that's how bad buy into the company yeah we had some like sparkling stuff in the fridge but i don't

normally drink it unless it's like post-workout post-workout i love carbonation oh yeah pre-workout carbonation is the blurst of times right terrible? Yeah, terrible. Just burping that up. Speaking of burping it up, what are you drinking over there, Keith? I've got a, I think I have a new one this week. I don't think I've had it, but it's Schweppes Black Cherry Seltzer Water, Sparkling Seltzer Water. It's actually really good. It's like a nice

tart with sweet flavor, so I'm enjoying it. I was pleasantly surprised with the first sip. Alright, well, for my drinking segment I'm enjoying it. I was pleasantly surprised. That's the first sip. All right. Well, um, for my, uh, drinking segment this week,

I'd actually like to welcome a special guest. Just full of surprises. Hey, special guest. Are you there? What's going on boys? What do you say, Mr.

Scantz? What's up Scantz? Did I hear Alexander Keith? We are talking about what we're drinking today and I reached out to my friend out here from the east coast of Canada and he's got a special PSA for us. Boys, I

just want everybody to know you're getting together on this, the 228th birthday of the man himself, Alexander Keese. Born in Scotland, moved to Halifax at 20, got into the brewing business, bought his first brewery at 25, the purveyor of this fine India pale ale, went on to serve as mayor of Halifax for two years,

and had time for not 8, 9, 10, but 11 children. Anyways, just wanted to let yous know, he was probably more working hard than hardly working, so happy birthday, old Alex, buddy. You don't look a day over 212. Cheers, boys. Happy birthday, Alexander Keats. Thank birthday, old Alex, buddy. You don't look a day over 212. Cheers, boys. Happy birthday, Alexander Keats. Thank you, Scantz, for joining us.

I'll drink to that. I'm not sure what his Jefferson numbers are, though. I'll have to do a little bit of digging. All right. Are you going to stick around, or are you going to head out? No, I'll hang out for a sec, boys. All right. If yous are up for it.

Sure, well. Well, this is yous are up for it. Sure. Well, this is the general topics. Not too long. I'm a master, right? Yeah, we'll kick you out when we have to get to the guest, for sure. That sounds fair. That sounds fair. All right.

Nate, what are you wearing, bud? I'm wearing the greetings from the high plains, which you guys talked about. We did. On Chris's episode, and none of you guys really knew which one it was. Yeah, I don't think I've seen it for a long time. So I knew then that this was the shirt for the pod. That came in clutch. Good job. Plus, it's got the South Dakota Mount Rushmore on there,

so you kind of got to keep it local. Are you in South Dakota or North Dakota? South Dakota. That's the spirit. In my experience, the better of the Dakotas. It's the better Dakota. A hundred percent. I think I spent all of 20 minutes in North Dakota and was just like,

this is all rail yards and gas stations. I'm out of here. I've got a Norse fitness shirt on today. I dropped the ball. I'm not wearing any mass nomics, but I had my kilt on. Yeah, that's that. It looks like you're wearing the raw power.

Little red raw power boys. Fine summer day over here. So I got the tee on. Well, I had my kilt on all day and needed a black t-shirt. And this was the first one I pulled out. And I see Keith, you have something here to my heart.

Yeah, I got a black, I just have a blank my heart. Yeah, I got a black... I just have a blank black shirt on. No, I should. The Powerlifter record holder shirt. Big fan of that one so far. It's going over well with everyone. So it was a big week in Mass Anomics World, boys.

I don't know if we can get through all these topics, but I think the biggest one would be the Table talk talk uh do everyone have a chance to listen to that or at least catch some snippets of it i'm an hour and a half in and i put it on for morgan while we were driving so i listened to most of it and then i i rewound it and put it on for her and i said like this would be the ideal introduction for sure right this would give you so much insight into what the stupid stuff we do is um i did notice that the i i think tommy was going to start talking about us and this podcast at some point i you pointed that out and then i heard it and i was like he said like they we would call them unpaid and underrated i have a story about

that and then like dave just kept moving the podcast along which is good podcast hosting but And I was like, he said, like, we would call them unpaid and underrated. I have a story about that. And then, like, Dave just kept moving the podcast along, which is good podcast hosting. But, like, you just got to give the general pop a taste, right? Give a little taste. Oh, they got it. They got them in. Well, they had they had they had cruises talk about, you know, they they had these, you know, these boats and the cruises. I was like, Dave just like was a fucking dog with a boat and didn't let it go. He's like, no, it says cruises. We're talking about cruises. God like dave just like was a fucking dog with a boat i didn't let it go he's like no it says cruises we're talking about cruises god damn it and and tanner going uh yeah

that's a dumb question i'm gonna answer whatever i think you meant which is really funny because that's what i did to um i don't want to say big melissa when i was like i think i know what you're asking so i'm gonna answer what i think you're asking yeah that was really like i love that tanner was just like no i'm just gonna answer this other question yeah i like that what about you nate did you get a chance to listen i think i have yeah i have like 30 minutes left i think um but i love table talk so like it's just nice it's a good combo who's got three hours dave dave's a good combo. Who's got three hours? Dave's a hell of an interviewer. He is. I used to drive a lot more or just have time to listen to stuff more.

But now, my commute to where I would work is four minutes away. Or I'm at home, and then like with kids you don't really ever control like they're probably not listening to table talk so but the last like two weeks i'm every second i can get i'm just got podcasts on i've been covering all of them but it's really hard to fit in multiple three hour episodes guys yeah no it is i i'm on vacation so if i'm doing any driving right now it's with a car full of humans right so luckily orange is in school i went for a um i went with him on a field trip this week too which was really fun i got stung by a bee for the second time in my life on this field trip. How was it? It was not the worst, but I think my favorite part was somebody going, are you allergic? And I went, I think we're about to find out.

Fingers crossed. Yeah. And it's a really stupid story because I'm walking and it was an apple orchard, right? Like they took the kindergartners to an apple field and I'm looking at all these rotting apples covered in hornets. And I said to myself, it's a good thing they packed an EpiPen for that one student. Cause I bet somebody's getting stung. And then I put my arm on the wagon and it was me. And it took less than that thought to me getting stung was less than 30 seconds. So I put it out into the universe that I was, that I was getting stung that day,

but yeah, no, anyway, back to the point, I've not had any time for podcast. I haven't even listened to our episode with our special guest. Right. Cause I,

as soon as table talk dropped, my wife was writing her driver's exam. So I was like, I've got a half an hour to kill. So that's when I started listening to that one. I would have just played the podcast for it. Cause you never know. There could have been questions on the test.

Just put this in your ear. Go listen. Better be prepared, right? I need you to parallel park. And what was discussed first off in the Dave Hoff episode. All right. what was discussed first off in the dave hoff episode with tim todd all right um anybody watched the video travel vlog yet i glad yeah i had a chance to watch it yeah it was good uh were you gonna say you glazed over it yeah i'm not sure i'm glazing over in

general so i was i i had to delay my watching because like things that are my wife a lot watch a lot of the same shit that i watch as far as like if it's uh if it's like if it's a glucks video that is more them talking like you know shooting the shit then uh just like reviewing something she'll you know because we're like a report with them and stuff and then anything that's like actually tanner and tommy like both they're usually she'll try to consume and she's not gonna watch like a like a bar review or something like that. So I knew that she would want to watch that travel blog. So I had to kind of wait to watch that with her.

So I kind of snuck that in right right before we had to record. So it was fun. The the this is actually like Israel's house. I really enjoyed that. Or was it? Or was it? I don't know. When they showed his gym, that gym's on his property. Fuck me, that's a big house.

It's got to be a borderline mansion if it's not actually a mansion. It just looked massive from the little snippet that we saw. You see a bit of his place, I think, when he did a gym tour a while back. He just got his he did a gym tour a while back. He just got his home gym set up there a while back.

And I mean, he's got some real estate out there. So I'm not sure his butler account, though. I have no clue. I like Dr. Mike, but I don't know much about him because that's just what I do here. I don't know anybody. I'm mostly on this podcast to meet people. So thank you guys for being my friends. So a lot of anger in the crew cast Discord lately, like just pure rage.

And it was funny because I was doing the show notes and the first thing I wrote was, I fucking hate these bots. Like, I hate the Discord bots. Sorry, Nate. I appreciate all the work you put into them, but I don't think they contribute anything. I think that's annoying that if I say two words in one sentence,

I'm suddenly flooded with 50 other words of scrolling. But then that kind of made me realize just like this past week, like we're all just so mad. And I think that, you know, I wanted to introduce this new segment and I'm glad there's four of us here for this. We've got two new segments this week.

So I'm going to introduce this new segment. That is, this really grinds my knurling and i want to thank big colton for that name uh so i went on the the uh to the instagrams to the old instagram machine and i asked the crew specifically um to give us some stuff to be mad about so i can't wait i want to hear nate i want to hear what you got to say about some of this stuff. Keith, we know you're mad about most stuff all the time. Um, uh, but I, you know, I'm actually a rageaholic myself. Um, I've made jokes before about my anger issues, but I have legitimate anger issues that I've had to like work on. So I'm going to do my best not to get all,

to get all amped up. So I'm going to, I'm going to bring a couple of them in. Okay. Just cause the Instagram gave us a few few responses i think i'm just going to bring in a few of the ones that i think we can have the most conversation you guys are you guys up for that yes all right uh you know what really grinds my knurling what's that buddy knee pain 100 it's it's like it's debilitating uh so i've suffered from i've suffered from knee from knee pain for the last 10 years on and off. And when I have to work on a ladder, go up and down a ladder for six, seven, eight hours a day, I can't fucking stand. And then if I have to combine that with driving two hours back to my house, it's like, fuck. Yeah, not fun.

I can relate. Knee sleeves. And that's why people are like, why are you wearing knee sleeves on 135? It's like, I put knee sleeves on as soon as I touch a fucking barbell. I'm not going to wait until I hit the... 80% to try to pull a knee sleeve up my sweaty, fat calf.

That's not happening. But also, I want my knee to be warm from the jump, not fucking at the end of the session. I feel like if you watched me squat, you would see my MCL quiver because it's my right knee. We'd be like, dude, you should put on the knee sleeve. Yeah, whenever I do anything over a plate and I can just feel that little muscle be like, I'm going to break, dude. So I put on these sleeves immediately

within one plate um and then of course that is actually why i haven't squatted heavy because i'm just so afraid i'm gonna hurt myself that the mental thing kicks in so like the knee pain is one thing but then the mental aspect of having knee pain is like you you can't squat stop squatting right now like anything over 200 you're gonna die stop doing it so like it's just a compound bullshit right like not only did it hurt it still kind of hurts and now my brain is convinced it's gonna hurt more yeah the mental side of that is by far like worse than the pain yep because the pain might go away, but your brain is like, we could be in pain sometime soon though. And you're just going to be screwed. At my last meet, I realized I was 340 pounds out from a thousand pound total, which I've always wanted a thousand pound total.

I've squatted 340 pounds before, but my mental state wouldn't let me squat at this meet. but my mental state wouldn't let me squat at this meet. So if I had just simply squatted, even a token squat, I might've totaled near 990 something. Like I might've got closer, but it was the mental bullshit. Yeah, the mental,

like my bench stayed the same for like three years until the lift hard live easy meet. And then all of a sudden i finally like broke 300 easy but it took me like three years to get past the mental side of it yeah but the pain my like knee pain for me like it takes like a long time to get them moving but i i'm blessed with not having knee pain i'm more of a back pain kind of guy though. So what one might be worse, you know? Yeah. But like, it does take me like three sets of just the bar, like with having bare knees to even get feeling like semi comfortable doing a squat to death. All right. Uh, the next one comes from the sister podcasts so i'm gonna bring it up even though i don't think any of us are gonna be that mad about it uh the orange glaze has only posted once in

the last 12 hours and that apparently grinds tanners and airling um yeah i don't have much to say about it i know the orange glaze is putting out some fire media so i don't know i think we should keep them around i do enjoy the the the buzz around beaver buzz right i thought that was pretty funny i i brought it up uh briefly in the discord because um big melissa weldicorn said she likes real sugar in her energy drinks and i don't drink beaver buzz because it has real sugar and I prefer sugar free things. But, you know,

I said to her like, Hey, you just maybe give this a try if you ever up. And then suddenly the glaze was like, we all need this. And now spoons on it. And scant is talking about it. And I know.

Yeah. Give us a, you give us a chicken baked bud and then we'll give you some of that sweetness. I love Beaver Buzz though. Actually. Do you get it there? Um um the last time i looked at the website was like completely sold out but so i haven't had it for like actually like a while

but when we were younger one of my friends like family like had a fishing camp up in canada yep so like then like they always had it so they smugguggled it. It was, it was high quality. They're out West. I think is there where they're from. Yeah. And, um, they used to have the citrus,

which is the one I always drank and they had the green tea, but it was always the half cans. And I used to love the green tea one, right? Cause it was just delicious sugary syrup. Um, the citrus, then the Saskatoon berry came out and the Saskatoon berries freaking good. I think they call it a

military berry or something like that. Like there's a different Saskatoon berry was the one. Yeah. And then then I found a GNC in Canada carries them. So they have a root beer flavor, which is probably the best tasting energy drink I've ever had.

It might need to take a trip north yeah it just tastes bring some back go find some rut beer rut beer and then they had one i was like i didn't know it was like dr pop or something i was like what the hell is mr pop or whatever mean and then the girl behind the counter goes oh i think it's the version of dr pepper and then i was like you shut the front door so i bought like six of those but the sugar causes a crash in me so i don't drink them that often i prefer the ghost ones so big ups to the orange glaze for starting the the next round of canadian love for the beaver buzz um so thunder god dot four two

one does anybody know who that is i have no clue yeah i apologize crew i don't know who that is i know it is i just uh i can't think of his name but yeah i could i know so what's what's really grinding his knurling is the prince over under vote results yeah what is it what what why why are people saying he's overrated? I think Prince was overrated. When I voted, when I voted overrated, he was like almost like two to two to one overrated versus underrated. That's unacceptable.

Yep. That's on it. That's, that's unacceptable results. So did you say he's overrated? Yes. Prince is insane, dude.

He's under a F. Yep. Yeah. Sam, Sam F yeah sam thunderbolt he knows what's going on yes sam that's what it is yeah it's just not my genre no he's every genre you don't like michael jackson either yeah prince is everything to everybody did you ever see when he did my well my guitar gently weeps like you don't you forget that prince can crush guitar like you forget because he was busy doing sexy time stuff but that dude can crush guitar well even beyond that though man the stuff that he's written and stuff like that he produces it's you know he's got that yeah like yeah yeah you can go ahead and sing but i mean if you look at the the the people he's he's written songs for,

you know, Shane O'Connor, If Nothing Compares to You. Yeah. Fucking things like the Bangles, for God's sake, man. Who would think that when you look at the She-O-E and the Time and all that stuff that he birthed all that.

He brought that all into existence, man. It's beyond just being an outstanding singer and guitarist. Like, theed all that he brought that all into existence man it's beyond just being an outstanding singer and guitarist like the extra stuff that he did man that's just and again underrated why because most people don't freaking know about it yeah yeah i did if you're if you haven't seen purple rain which i forgot to check your imdb if you have or not. I have not seen Purple Rain. Yeah, you just watch the performance by Morris Day. Wait, you guys can see it in the theaters? Seriously?

Just me? Yeah, just watch that initial performance by Morris Day of the Bird. Oh, man. Knowing Prince wrote that. Okay. Big Matt wants to say that people who make a shadow meme page and don't reveal their identities. I think we've covered that. Really grinds his knurling.

But, like, yeah, we've beaten that. We've beaten that horse into the ground. I don't think many of us want to know who he is. I think it'll ruin it. It's not really a problem. That kind of takes the funny out of it. Yeah. Like, I have an idea. I think it's ruin it. It's not really a problem. That kind of takes the funny out of it. Yeah. I have an idea.

I think it's down to two people. And then as soon as I realized it was down to those two people, I went, yeah, I don't care anymore. I've thought about this way more than I'm supposed to. This is supposed to be fun. And the moment it becomes work, it's boring. See, boys, this is where you're going to get all the hatred and all the stuff coming on. It's the same as this stuff. Everybody's all concerned about it.

I'm like, man, just let it rip, buddy. Keep it coming, man. Rip it and rip it. Don't care who you are. You're bringing the joy. You're bringing the noise. Just keep it coming, man. Big Nate wants us to know that...

Big Nate, our producer. Big Nate. Big Ups. Wants us to know that Squatober programming is really grinding his knurling this week. I'm not doing Squatober. That never is it bad have any of you guys done it not personally i'm not is it just like squat every day is that what it is it is but i'm not sure if it's seven days a week or just like four training days a week like it's every day but it's all it's all buried it's all over the place like there's it's – I mean, it's programmed.

It's not just a – so I'm going away for a week here. I'm doing it right up until the day I leave just to get it done. But it is – yeah, like, it's varied. It goes – it's not just straight sets. There's pause sets in there. There's a lot of front squat. There's variations and stuff. But, whew, yeah, buddy. It is – there's pause sets in there there's there's a lot of front squat there's variations and stuff but yeah buddy it is uh i had done a program before like when i was younger that was squat ever just

squat everyday program and like then i could do it i couldn't do it now i can't it's not the weight that gets me it's the volume my back would literally not be able to handle it it is i mean the thing about it is though, like the guy, and again, it's funny if you go check out their IG page, the, like,

we don't know who the programmer is, but they actually laid out his resume. Like it's not some jughead down at the, uh, the local good life. Who's, uh, did some online course,

but, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's a pretty awesome program. And then we got deadcember coming up in a couple months man that's another one to get i i've got a meet in december on december 9th

which is the same day as the crew falls is in that every day also yeah yeah yeah no and again it's variations it's like it's not just like still i think out of the two i'd be able to handle squat i'd be able to squat every day 100% I've done deadcember and it's big dan mckim that does it he does the programming and uh

I can't remember if it is or not he promotes it a lot it was him last year yeah he did it last year did I recover enough to do I did it I didn't hit any prs or anything like that but he does this wild shit like take a deck of cards lay out four cards pick one and you do triples of that and it's like what like you do that many reps for that many sets of

80 of your weight and he's like sorry he'll tell you he's like i'm sorry man this is your life right now and so it sucks but that's also why i'm not doing squat tober because like i said it's not the weight that hurts i can do a single rep at 315 right now if i need to but the moment juggernaut's like no no four by four even if it's 4x4 of like 225, my knee's like, no, you're not doing this. That's stupid. No thanks to Squatober. I got three more. One of them I don't

understand the phrasing of because it might be an American thing. Big Jeff wants us to know that Lexus lanes really grinds his knurling. Imagine if we just used all the lanes at full capacity. Now up here in Canada, we call them the HOV lane where only multiple people in one car or green

cars with the green ticket can use them. I'm wondering if that's what he means by Lexus lane. I have no problem. It's probably some Florida thing or like just rich assholes driving it when they're not supposed to. Maybe like, it's just like a terminology, but I would. Yeah. I'm unfamiliar.

All right, Jeff. You owe us an explanation on that one. Um, big Ryan, former guest of the podcast really wants to know that constant high winds while you're trying to do something outside really grinds his knurling. Uh, wind can mess up your life yeah when like really i i think the last time i went on vacation i came back and the kids like one of the play sets was just blown to pieces and was all over the yard and it was just that one day of high winds i can really mess up your life for a bit i was gonna say we're like so like where we're at it is just windy all the time just non-stop like if it's a

day like under like 20 mile an hour wind that's like oh wow it's pretty calm out here but like we get gusts of we get gusts of 40 like in the summer just like regularly that's insane and then like you're just kind of used to it i'm the conversion. I think that's 400 kilometers an hour, I think. Something like that. Sorry, I'm not... Oh, yeah. I suppose, guys. Sorry, I don't have the... The only thing I can do

is I can only do little math. Subtract 32 in times by 5 or something like that. How common are rollovers? Like your big cargo van just getting fucking rolled over on like the high plains out there in the winter it happens a lot like out on the interstate and stuff like you'll see like people post pictures and there's just like 12 semis just all tipped over having a nap having a nap big sleepy guy it can get pretty tough i guess but

it's been happening here a lot i think a whole truck of celery just tipped over up here and honestly it's just because people are idiots in ontario it has nothing to do with the wind uh last but not least and we can finally move on from this long ass segment and next time i'm going to be more prepared and i'm going to be selective but I kind of like this idea of just picking them at random I know that's kind of cool better like just screenshot everything that you got submitted and then just cherry pick

like for the next couple weeks well that's kind of what I'm doing here so yeah in the future this won't go as long but I want to get this last one out here because this one actually big mofo big Aaron wants to know that it really grinds my knurling when people don't put their sharpened cart because this one actually big mofo Big Aaron wants to know that it really grinds my knurling when people don't put their

shopping cart back in the cart return. Yeah. That's like rage. Joe DeFranco has entered the chess. Is he the cart narcs? I love watching cart narcs. Cart narcs are funny on social. Those are great.

I think we can all agree with that. If there's any debate on and Carton Arcs on social. Those are great. I think we can all agree with that. I don't think there's any debate on if you're a selfish piece of shit, then we'll put your cart away. Just go fuck yourself. You're just a bad person if you don't put a cart away. Unsubscribe to our podcast if you do that, please. No, keep

them subscribed. Find out where they're at and I'm going to go visit them and have a little chat. There you go. Thank you for joining me on my new segment um that really grinds my knurling i nearly shit myself today in the gym now for a guy that doesn't uh believe in ghosts okay so i know we're not going to talk about that kind of stuff but like i don't believe in like magic and fairies and ghosts but my wife likes to tell me that for a guy that doesn't believe in ghosts i have an awful lot of ghost stories so i was loading up for the squats today and i put the the 45 on one side and then i put the 45 on the other and then i was going back for the 25 and i swear to god there was somebody standing

there there was just a black shadow figure between me where I keep my obsidian ammonia flag. And then the, the rack is right next to it. I would tell you right now, the a hundred percent, there was a person there and like I jumped because you have to walk through me to get there.

Right. So like if somebody comes down in the basement, I can see them because I can see where the stairs are and where the hallway is. So you'd have to walk through me to get there. So I was expecting somebody to be there and I absolutely had a heart attack. Like it probably affected my squats in some way or another. But yeah,

I just wanted to put that out there that like, yeah, just ghost in the gym is a thing. This, this ghost was apparently just interested in what I was doing. the first time i've seen something down there but like that was definitely the scariest and the weirdest one i'm gonna take an educated guess and say it was probably some kind of shadow because i've seen pictures and videos of your gym and you've got your your basement windows with like very thin curtains on it that probably let a shit ton of

light in and that reflecting off a mirror or off any kind of shiny object or your body being in the way and just casting a shadow. But yeah, that's pretty funny. I did. So did you actually jump or was it like, cause I'm super scared. Oh yeah.

If I was holding weight on me, I would have died. Cause like I, I flew through the ceiling and I messaged my wife and I was like, I swear somebody was down. I'm glad I'm not the only jumping fucker. Is that your home gym? Yeah.

Yeah. So you guys are both basement gym people? Absolutely. Ugh. Gross. Gross. I'm not feeling very well. Yeah.

I remember I started lifting in a gravel pit outside my house. That's where my gym originally was, but eventually had to... Better than a basement gym, I guess. No, because, you know, winters up here are harsh, so I had to go wherever I could fit them. That's why you got to throw that layer of fat on. I'm ready up to a little bit minus 40 there, Tony. I'm working on it. I'm the heaviest I've ever been.

Commit to the bulk. All right, boys. I'm going to knock out another new segment this week. It is a week of news. This one, I hope, will be another reoccurring segment that we see each week. But that's kind of up to the crew and what they submit. So this new segment is called Supporting the Members We've Supported. And this week, we're going to support Big Caden, former podcast guest.

When he was on, he was talking about how he was going on some ride-alongs and he was applying for the police department in Aberdeen. And good news, boys, next year if you get a DUI or anything, I don't recommend it, but Big Caden might be able to help us out. But Big Caden officially works for the police department in Aberdeen. Nice. Obviously ingest about getting a DUI. Don't be a fucking moron and do that, but you know, maybe Tanner won't get in as much trouble when he makes those illegal left turns where he kind of

breaks the double line. Caden's going to be setting up speed travel, baby. Hey, listen, I need that calendar, baby. I need that calendar. Give daddy some sugar. Come on. So my challenge to all the former guests, for now, I'm going to keep it to former guests. You know, we kind of run out of people saying stuff.

You know, feel free to start submitting stuff. But this isn't really a lifting thing. It's just kind of random stuff. Anything you're proud of, like I don't care, like promotion or just random stuff you want the crew to hear. You know, I have a pretty special one from Big Murph next week week but i only had room for one this week so uh tune in for that all right and last but not least before we get to our sponsor read we can kick out all the riffraff and get our guest on uh we're gonna rate last week's episode with joel uh sorry the notes here say grip guy joel grip guy i didn't know how to say his last name so it was easier to just write

the grip guy so i think i registered who it was because it was the guy that was hanging out with brian shaw and a lot of his videos recently so like i recognize him from that more than anything uh i really enjoyed that episode uh anytime they talk about york stuff i'll always you know, I'll go ahead and give it a York with a J. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I'll go and give that a five GDs for last week's episode with Big Joe. York with a J. We're all here wearing our Masonomics yarts. It was a good episode. I like when like I went to the same, like, school as that guy,

like MSU Mankato. So that's kind of cool stuff. Like, he went to University of DeWalt and just, like, close connections to Minnesota. So it's always nice when the guests are kind of close like that. I like that. So what's your rating? We'll give her a five. Oh, that's fair brave scans

yeah i'm gonna have to uh it was good it's kind of fun having somebody that's uh in the kind of a little bit of a specialist uh sport like that like grip and all that kind of stuff it's nice to uh hear something outside the normal power of things. So definitely a problem. I'm going to give it the big old Cinco. You're right. That's Spanish for five. It is, you know, we do have a,

what's that in kilometers? I'm confused. I'm going to give a Canadian 7.3. That's a good number. That's actually a really good translation of miles to kilometers. That's really funny. What was I about to say? Nice to hear strength people. I love... Guy had a lot of stories and stuff like that

about stuff he's done. That was really cool. We're definitely going to go out on a limb and give that one a five as well. Nice. That's fair. That brings up the average. Let's see. Five times four divided by four. We got five. That's a good average. Keep that in the the average to, let's see, five times four divided by four. We got five. Five.

That's a good average. Keep that in the spreadsheet for us, Big Kevin. All right. And this week's episode is, of course, brought to you by the Massonomics Podcast. But forget all of that. December 9th in Sioux Falls, we're going to have what we're going to call the lift hard live easy adjacent meetup and it's going to be in crew falls uh i think that it's to be discussed on where it's happening um but all crew is invited to join and go lift for a session december 9th in undisclosed location sioux falls

i actually have a meet that day as well here in Canada. So I'll be attending that instead, but also wasn't going to make the 21 hour drive for a one day meetup. I was looking at plane tickets for it. Like just be like, yeah, you know, can I squeeze one more $2,000 trip in this year? $1,500 trip in this year?

Nah, I don't think I can. Like if I win the lottery, I'll be out there. But you know, that's, that's we're, we're going I don't think I can. If I win the lottery, I'll be out there. We're going to the fourth quarter at work, and my boss basically wants to fuck off. As far as submitting anything other than doctor's appointments, he ain't accepting any requests for vacation.

I believe we got a couple doctors in the arena here, buddy. You need some chits written up there. It's true. Dr. Jake from State Farm says, I can do whatever I want. It's right here. It's right. All right. Well, I think it's time we got to kick some of these interlopers out.

You can't fire me, baby, because I quit. Thanks for coming, buddy. We'll catch you on the flip side, Chief. Yeah, sorry to jump that up on you um but i thought that would be really fun to have him come on for the alexander keats read no that was that was cool uh nate i hope you didn't mind um not at all but let's get our guest on the horn um nate is that you here i am hey you're live on the Unpaid and Underrated podcast. It's good to be here. Feels cozy.

Glad to have you, my friend. It's kind of one of our first questions we always ask. What brought you to Massanomics? I want to hear, give me your couple minute spiel of how you found us. Massanomics, I knew about almost like it had to have been right after they actually started their first apparel because a gym i worked at a kid like had some massonomics gear i don't even remember what it was anymore but i remember like he like tagged him on like instagram so i went and looked him up so it was like whatever 2015 or something like that was the first time I actually saw it. And then I used to listen to the podcast way more when I had time.

At one point I went like all the way back and just started listening. I remember listening to episode 100, like when they were happening, but then all of a sudden time goes away. So now I unfortunately have to pick and choose the ones that I can take a week long to listen to. What about your discord experience? When did you think you joined discord and got all involved in that? I think I joined. So I can't remember.

And my thing will say a different date because at one point my card changed. So then I got booted out of the discord and then I think it was like a little bit later I got back in. Gotcha. Well, welcome back. Glad to have you, buddy. So you were one of the 60 or so of us that were in Aberdeen this year for the Lift Hard, Live Easy Classic. Quick recap of how your weekend went. What was your favorite part? You know, anything you would like to see done differently or what? You know, just tell us what you think about the whole trip.

It was just like the coolest, like powerlifting me. I think that was like my seventh meet. And it just none of them compare it was an experience it wasn't just a meet like the meet up the night before what a cool thing like almost like normal meets should do that just have a meet up for all the lifters to come the night before such a cool thing yeah and just like the buzz like during the actual meet, like everyone was just like having a good time. There was nobody there, like just bringing down the mood,

which can happen a lot at powerlifting meets. There can always be those people, but it was just great. Yeah. I think, I think we all kind of have that same sentiment. So it's always, I always like to just, you know, make sure that we did a good job and everyone, you know, had fun there. And, you know, I just I don't think anyone's really had anything negative to say about it yet. But it's like I don't want to not bring it up because we're still in that, you know, we're still close enough to it that it's like, you know, it's still providing some good stories. But at this point, I think we've covered pretty much every aspect of the meat. But every now and then someone just throws, well this was my actually my favorite part like oh yeah i completely forgot about that that was awesome like like when somebody called me keith yeah that was fucking hysterical that was like my favorite story and it's so funny because i kind of remember it happening but i don't think i reacted when he did it and i was just like uh-huh because i didn't know who that was like i'd never we followed each other on instagram but like i don't know faces right it was my first meet i've ever gone nine for nine so hell yeah it couldn't probably have gone any

better yeah you can't go wrong with that so well speaking of uh mistaken identities just so we don't have that with you just want to go ahead and tell everybody who you are where they can find you on instagram or wherever they want to find you nathan thomas big nathan and then uh on instagram it's uh nate at nathan thomas dot bff nice and we we will get into that bff in a little bit but it's not best friends forever but it might be it could be if you play your cards right actually let's dive into that because like it was really fun you guys were at the meet and then i think became sponsors immediately after the meet yeah pretty much um we actually, so we try, we asked, um, earlier on, like probably in like February, March, but they didn't, they weren't taking any new sponsors at the time. So then all of a sudden Tanner just reached out and was like, Hey, like you guys still

interested? And I was like, uh, yeah, let's go. I've always wondered, um, what does being a sponsor of the massomics podcast entail without giving too many trade secrets? awesome i've always wondered um what does being a sponsor of the massomics podcast entail without giving too many trade secrets i guess i mean we get mad that's pretty cool uh i mean like like i had already like had like a pretty decent relationship with like tanner just because like i've known who they are so like yeah i like i'm sure for like other there's like a little bit different there but like also like being in the crew, like knowing massonomics listening, like, I feel

like to me, like it was, it's just a no brainer to sponsor for one, like the massonomics thing to me is even bigger. Cause it's like local, it gets like some pride because stuff doesn't happen in South Dakota. So it's like, Oh, this is sweet. You could have fooled me. Cause almost everything I know happens in South Dakota. So it's like, oh, this is sweet. You could have fooled me because almost everything I know happens in South Dakota right now. Yeah.

It's popping off. Either happens here or in South Dakota. I don't really pay attention to anything else. I had a quick follow-up. I can't remember. So before you became the sponsor, did someone, had someone exited or did you get like, did they just open a new spot? I really can't i can't remember so before you became the sponsor did they but did someone had someone exited or did you get like just did they just open a new spot i really can't remember i don't remember either i think someone was exiting okay i think we lost swiss link

no no but it's not swiss link no swiss links there so there's every week because they always keep talking about those damn pants you want to play the guessing game yeah like i'm trying to remember now if i remember was it another because i mean they they used to have they had another supplement company no that's been a while yeah well i i've been listening to like different errors of the podcast at the same time too sometimes so that always throws me off like yeah no they've been they've been gone a while and that was that's fine everything's fine there, right? Well, I know Hayden and Sefi's company left, but that was when Juggernaut came in, I think. I think Hybrid left and Juggernaut came in.

Yeah, that's when it happened. That was a couple years ago. So I honestly can't. As soon as someone says it, I'll be like, yeah, that's right. All I remember is, do you know what's in your supplements? That's all I can remember right now. It wasn't a supplement company. So you do remember who it is?

You're just fucking with us. I know, yeah. Oh yeah, they haven't talked about Spud in a while. Good call. Yeah, I got you. I actually forgot. You guys were talking and then it was like, oh, here we go. Spud's gone.

Oh, yeah, that's a good call. I haven't heard of Spuddad in a while. That's fine. That's fine. Everything's fine. They hate us because they ain't us. Yeah. I mean, we are pretty close to becoming the Chris Duffin podcast at some point.

It's getting close. Now we've got you guys from Build Fast Formula. Have we said that out loud yet? No. Oh, okay. No, it didn't come up. Oh, yeah. Okay.

So you're from Build Fast Formula. You're at the Lift Hard, Live Easy, and now we're sponsors of the Massonomics podcast. You make the very celebrated... Is it Vaso or Vaso? I it vaso you call it vasoblitz yeah okay i've been calling it vasoblitz because of vascular so that's the only reason i kind of i used to and then when we first got into like talks about the company they all talked about it as vaso so i was like all right it's vaso't make any – like you don't have a vascular system.

You have a vascular system. So that's fun. Yeah, but this is American English. Oh, okay. So it doesn't make any sense. You just might not understand. Yeah. Go with whatever is cheaper to print.

I understand American English. Yeah, we just jumble it together. So are you and your wife, Abby, like sole owners of it or you guys just bought into it or how did you want to just tell us the whole story there anything you're comfortable telling i can tell you yeah i can tell the story so we um own like a retail supplement store in the town we live in that we opened in like 2020 and we carried build fast formula because i i do my coaching through kabuki strength like i'm big big chris duffin guy like guys just literally the best squatter like ever so i'm gonna follow like

pretty much what the guy recommends um but so we carried build fast because i like to use it and then um it was the end of like last year in December the owner was like posting stuff about closing up their warehouse and whatnot and one day I came home and my wife was like I messaged him to see if he wants to sell I was just like what what are you talking about and then um next thing you know like we in February ended up buying it and um so chris is also an owner and then we have um two other guys who uh do a lot of stuff with like our um graphic design and another guy's just like marketing guru knows a ton so we do most of the operations stuff and then we all kind of split it up. So you guys have a brick and mortar.

Did you actually change the brick and mortar to BuildFast formula? No, we still have the brick and mortar. Okay, that's standalone. So do you guys do the shipping then? Because you were talking about you were doing the bulk of the stuff like that. Is that what you were doing then? Yep, we ship everything. So you have a warehouse then or about like you were doing the bulk of the stuff like that. Is that what you're doing? Yep. We ship everything. So you have a warehouse then, or you're doing that at like the back of yours?

Like, um, we have, so it's like a contractor shop that we use as a warehouse. That's pretty nifty. So you're, so you're a man, you're a man that wears a few different hats then kind of stole, you know? Yeah. Oh yeah. That's, um, we also own a bar. Oh Jesus. Okay. hats then kind of stole you know yeah oh yeah that's um we also own a bar oh jesus okay and we both we like my wife's family owns a real estate company so like i've had my real estate license for like 10 plus years now too so so we do too much kind of yeah yeah highly employable i call it yeah absolutely multifaceted

okay so if you had uh so if someone was looking to like get familiar with build fast formula um you know they're kind of hesitant what is the one item that you would kind of tell them to buy first to get a book assuming they're assuming they're a lifter really so for like more advanced people they a lot more people probably for vaso but like intro people a lot more people only use like a protein so 80 20 would probably be like it just kind of depends like this is like my like brick and mortar like retail coming out now but it's like it's going to depend on what the person like what their goal is because like some people like don't like taking like something that it like vaso but they drink protein or you know so and like not everyone's gonna a lot of people don't want like a stimulant so

no so vaso is a nitric oxide isn't it yeah yeah okay um i i take four times a week i take a nitric oxide yeah so it's actually so vaso is the first product that hit the market that is actually a daily use product and not only a pre-workout yeah because um we have actual studies behind it that show like after a certain amount of days you get a build-up in your system which then your your pumps will actually just get way better like recovery gets way better yeah i i generally um don't like stim stimulant work pre-workouts. So I'll take a nitric oxide instead. I've said it on this podcast before. Just,

I always, I just recommend the hell out of that because anxiety issues, sleep issues, all of that stuff. You take the nitric oxide and like you did the, it's stim free. So much better for you. And of course you get the freaky pump.

Yeah. Vasos are like, it's the original product that started the company so it was more like eventually like most people like there's a huge market obviously for people who like also wanted caffeine in a pre-workout so it's just a no-brainer to have them both and then like like I don't ever do like really a full serving of full blitz anyways. So like one scoop of each, because otherwise it's a lot of stems depending on it. Some days I don't use build fast formula simply because of Carol stream.

So I apologize to, to you and your, we don't ship to Canada right now. So, well, that would make the most sense unfortunately i always think like oh i might order that and then i'm like well shipping plus i'll just have to send it to keith and he'll have to yeah we're gonna meet up at some point that's

gonna happen eventually steve and i are just talking about that right now because you're doing you're doing a meet tomorrow but it's our thanksgiving so we don't like we don't have he was like we should be going to this and i was like i agree but both of us have just the most busy weekends planned yeah and so i mean to make that little one so we can pretty much every there's one friday a month i have an open gym but like it's it's it's almost like i almost not that i don't want you to come that friday but like there might be 12 people here already. So just kind of be like, I wouldn't. So we just pick a Saturday, like two months or something rather than like, oh, I'll just try to get like two or three.

I mean, ideally I want to actually have like a bunch of crew over at some point and like, see if anyone will like drive in from like four or five hours. Cause there's a fair amount of people in the Northeast. So if that's something you guys are interested in, let us know. We kind of hook it up i'm in rochester new york so you know kind of central and certain depending on where you're at uh but you know it'll happen someday but worst case if it's just me you steve my buddy chris and luke that's still four or five crew hanging out on a saturday so we'll make it happen the the thing i was trying to say though is i will usually just do a nitric oxide yeah but on days that i really need

it i will mix because i have an unflavored nitric oxide that i will mix with a with a stem pre um recovery is always better after a nitric oxide like yeah if you're listening to this and you're kind of on the fence about it as long as you don't have blood pressure problems jump right in i'm telling you right now it's vasoblitz or every other i'm gonna say buy the vasoblitz if you live in america but if you can find a nitric oxide pump yeah it is the way to go especially for us submasters so i have no clue what you guys are talking i even remember chris talking about it like i i did pre-workout like i don't i don't know what the fuck you're talking about is it like a bc bcc thing or something completely different like i don't know so like vasoblitz is just a stem-free

pre-workout it's all the pump ingredients how's how's that physically work well it's all the pump ingredients it just doesn't have caffeine or like the dmae ferment like focus or beta alanine well i definitely don't know fuck beta alanine is the worst thing in the world but i need my caffeine but so like we have full blitz which is the stimulant version of basal blitz but a lot of people are like if you're like caffeine you know sensitive or like there's a lot of people who use only stem free pre-workouts um i know i didn't realize it was as much because I've always used stimulant pre-workout like need that. I found it because pre-workout would just the caffeinated stuff would engage my anxiety. So I have to be very careful. And we've talked about caffeine before.

Also could be like yohim bean could do that too in the pre-workout if i had that uh i wouldn't that was years ago that yeah i use mostly ghost right now like i'm not mostly ghost it's just easily accessible doesn't cost a ton the ghost like bubblicious strawberry energy drink is like that's actually the pre-workout i have is the ghost of malicious strawberry that energy drink is like yes so good so good they just did a sour strips one so i've got sour strips pump and uh pre and like when you just combine them obviously um it's fantastic but nitric oxide essentially keith from what understand, thins your blood a bit and increases your blood flow. So that's why you get that freaky, sick pump. Like it's a vasodilator, so it opens up your blood flow.

So you get more. Yeah, it's just so much blood, like is the way my one friend, you just have more blood in your body a little bit. Like just better pumps, better everything. Yeah. Yeah, you look better, feel better. Money kitten just jumped up next to me and scared the piss out of me.

So if anyone was looking at me, I fucking looked over and it was a goddamn white cat just stared at me, scared the shit out of me. So, so Chris is a, an owner and barefoot's also, like I mentioned before, we're like close to becoming the chris stuff and thing

like is he a silent owner like how much does he do because i'm also a big chris stuff and fan no chris he's he's like involved like obviously like we're in south dakota for the operation so not that but like we have calls weekly where we all talk about everything going on and um he just brings like a completely different role than anyone else could just because like who, like what else he does and has, but like, he's also, I mean,

so smart that like, he's coming up, like he's the one doing formulation and all that stuff. Like, I mean, I'm not qualified to do that. I'll let the guy who's very smart do it. No, that makes sense.

It would have been cool if he showed up to the Littler and Levizzi. We did try to pull it off. He had two companies there. They had other stuff going on. We did. We were trying to work with the schedule. He's a popular guy. What kind of interactions do you had with Chris?

In person? We've never met in person yet. We bought the company in February. Gotcha. You should have went to the Arnold, man. I met him while I saw him at the Arnold at the Mathematics booth.

What are the dates of the Arnold? When is it generally around? It's in March. saw him at the Arnold at the best numbers. So when, what are the dates of the Arnold? Where, when is it genuine generally around? It's in March. Yeah. So we bought it like the day we actually ended up buying was February 16th. Yeah. You would have had a month to play.

It wouldn't have worked. Yeah. Like it was just like actually physically impossible. Yeah. We would love to be there this next year, but we'll have to see if it works out. But hopefully we can make it happen. Steve's coming over tomorrow.

We're going to do some fun. We're going to do some bench, stick to programming bench. And then if it's a nice enough day, we're going to do some stupid stuff. Nice. Because I have a couple of days of recovery, right? With Thanksgiving. So we're going to see some stupid stuff. Nice. Cause I have a couple of days of recovery, right? With Thanksgiving. So we're going to see what videos we can get.

We're going to do some circus dumbbells and Denny stone, take everything outside. Like we're going to have some fun tomorrow, but we're also going to be planning our Arnold trip. And that's smart. Yeah. Get that in the books. Yeah.

The last year it's like, we didn't know what we were doing. We brought the kids. He brought his wife. We went down on the Friday, stayed last year, it's like we didn't know what we were doing. We brought the kids. He brought his wife. We went down on the Friday, stayed until Sunday, like just absolutely stayed until Monday. And he was like, I can't do that again. I was like, I don't want to do that again. So this year, it's going to be like wake up at six in the morning, get to the Arnold by 12 on Saturday, stay in a hotel Saturday night and go home Sunday.

You don't need three days of the Arnold. I would argue that Friday was the more fun day at the Arnold because there was less people, but Saturday was the day more stuff happened. Right. And now I don't have to go and meet people again. I've already met everybody. Cause like the Friday you got to go and like shake hands with Tanner and Tommy and Chris Duffin

and all that, and got to meet Huck Finn and all these guys that are like, you only know us celebrities on the internets. I don't need to do that again. I already know all you guys now. I see the logic in that, but I don't know if I want to be there on a Saturday. I was there all day Friday.

I got there Thursday night, enjoyed all day Friday. You know, it was fucking awesome. I was like, it was like the second person at the mass economics booth. And it was the first person to buy something off Huck Finn and all that. And like,

I had a blast Friday, like the two hours I was there Saturday, it's fucking horrible. There was like the, no, the, the busiest it was Friday was like maybe two thirds is as busy as it was Saturday. They did the fucking pre-entry, which you had to pay like extra for that nine to ten window.

Like like that period of time Saturday was only supposed to be like exclusive entry was busier than at any point Friday. We talk a lot about slow walkers and traffic. And I honestly you were doing the penguin walk for most of saturday there is the one the one point so steve and i and his wife sandy had tickets to the strongman event we had seated tickets these are our seats they are ours nobody else can sit in them they tried to stop us from coming in because they said people aren't leaving and i was like well no we paid for those seats we're going to those seats like Like that's, that's unacceptable. And they're like, well, somebody might be in your seats.

I was like, then go get them the fuck out. Like that's not how seated plans work or giving my cash money right now. Right. Like, like don't, don't make me like make a claim of this and you know, fucking do it, do a charge back. That's how stupid Saturday was. We ended up going, I ended up leaving to go to the strength co-booth right during this i think i told the story during the stone throwing and during the

strongman thing i was like i don't give a fuck about stone throwing and i'm going to the deadlift party at the strength co-booth and then he's steve was like oh they're starting this event and i was like i'm not coming back it's gonna take me an hour to get from halfway in the middle of the arnold to over there because you're doing the penguin like one step wait one step wait so i ended up missing some of the strongman thing but that's how stupid busy it is so maybe i'll talk to him tomorrow and maybe we'll just do the friday instead of the saturday because like like really i'm going there to get the stuff I don't want to bother having shipped to Canada.

It's definitely smart to plan for the future now. Speaking of the future, we'll touch on one last thing on BuildFast if you want. So what is the future of BuildFast or anything you want people to hear about BuildFast but I think specifically what's the future look like? Boner pills.

Hey, you never know. I thought that's what Batsuit Bliss was already. Build Fast, right? Yeah, that's what Chris was talking about. We just have some cool stuff we have work on. Can't really get into some of that.

It's crazy because we've been doing it for like seven months but it feels like it's been probably like three years so it's crazy it's almost hard to say like what the future is obviously like the goal is to just keep building it i mean come out with really good cool products um we did just have our drink hack come back on the market a little bit ago so i saw that that's you guys yep fun okay yeah so we're kind of teeth i don't know if you're not aware keith it's like a hangover cure oh my gosh yeah that's kind of that was like drink i got you those would have come in handy when i was fucking like 17 it assists living easy yeah nice

gotta love that so expansion or withdrawal like what's like if you could give one of those two what's happening what do you mean sorry for your future more products bigger products retail stores or less things more focused um mean, there's definitely more products. Cool. But we're not going to be a company that just does every product possible. Yeah. I mean, all of our products actually take like, I mean, we make sure they work before we launch a product. We're not just going to come out with some crap just because you can as a

supplement company so everybody else is doing it so here's our version right yeah it's a really like it's kind of crazy how like it's just like unregulated like and it's it's more in like the fact that there are companies out there that just put out bad products but because they have a big budget people buy yep caffeine is very very unregulated oh yeah it's it's wild actually in canada in canada i'm learning it's a little bit regulated because they don't like our they don't like any energy drinks over 180 oh really which is yeah that's why i like ghost because it's 200 tastes good and doesn't give me the itchies um when i buy an energy drink and it's actually why i was gonna come to new york today was to restock so but it's just like crazy just that like i can go to the store buy a 12 pack of red bull don't need id don't anything, that is more likely to kill me short term

than alcohol or marijuana. But those things are the ones that are like so regulated that like you need the government's permission to buy. It's kind of crazy that way. A tablespoon of caffeine could kill somebody. Caffeine like definitely like should probably be regulated like age wise. Because like I probably had my first energy drink when i was like 10 or 11 years old probably shouldn't that's like no that's to be like you should be at least this should think it should

be at least like a freshman in high school before you touch one of those like i won't even let my kid have i won't even let my kid have an electrolyte supplement because i'm just like that's not good for your kidneys buddy right like if a caffeine is one of those ones that yeah like a tablespoon of pure caffeine would kill you on the spot like instantly and we're just out here allowed to raw dog caffeine whenever we want it the one yeah the one pre-work i have is 400 milligrams per scoop i took it once and went never again never again we're having this for the rest of my life because like give me give me my 150 i'm happy yeah 200 is about good for me coffee in the morning and 200 later in the evening air later in the afternoon is fine but 400 i was vibrating so

anyway i don't know a lot about stuff. Were you, were you, were you full body, you know, vibrating like full body massage station? I'm going to leave, I'm going to leave Tanner a bunch of voicemails about it. Love it.

So I, I like to call our, our, our guest Nate here, Jack Nick. That's what I've been referring to him as in our private chat with me, Joey, and Nate. Just as a slight dig to our producer, Nate, who in his own right is a pretty athletic man, but not necessarily as much as our guest Jack Nate. So Jack Nate, I want to hear about your home gym, buddy.

Tell me all about your home gym, origin story, where it's at now. You know, how are you enjoying your home gym origin story where it's at now you know how are you enjoying your home gym and how's it made your life better the home gym is the best best move we've ever made i'd say we uh it started when we um it was probably like a few months before our first daughter was born and back then i used to work out in the morning um i would wake up at 4 45 every day and my wife was like you know when the baby comes you're not going to be able to be gone every morning and i was like hold up and then i think the next day i uh the first thing i bought was like one of the rogue like wall folding suarex that that's how it started but i i showed her

i was like this would work and then i already i had like a an old like just 300 pound weight barbell set and like dumbbells up to 35s i think and that's that's what started it but it's definitely um gotten a lot more uh intense since then um we have like a it's certain to like it's it's probably just under a thousand square feet right now i think right around there so mine's like 60 square feet like it's yeah it's i i say it's the best gym in our town so actually not even 60 well it'll be like what's a standard bar is what seven feet yeah yeah so my gym's probably 10 by six i've like yeah about 60 yeah about 60 square feet yeah oh wow i'm about 700 ish give or take oh yeah in the videos you see where i have all the flags set up behind me, that's almost my

whole gym. The only thing you can't see is just some storage on the other side. Hey, this is interesting. Big Grayson is trying to join us. Yeah, let him on.

You feel okay with that, Nate? Yeah, sure. Alright, let's on. You feel okay with that, Nate? Yeah, sure. All right, let's see what he's got going on. Craig's going to be so caught off guard and not realize that he actually requested to be on. He's probably going to decline it. This is turning into quite the podcast. Hello, Grayson. Nope. All right, well, weson. Nope.

All right. Well, we'll keep chatting. So what is the one thing you would add to your home gym so you can finally get strong? Tren. Then we'd have to come up with even a... A Build Fast Formula Tren, yeah. Then we'd have to come up with even a build fast formula trend. Yeah.

Like I've in the, like last year probably gotten, I've like gotten super content with what my home gym is like the, and this is a, probably that sounds like such a lame answer, but like the one thing I would add is a leg press. Yeah. That'd be sweet.

Yeah. If you'd asked me a week ago, I would have said like nothing. My gym is great. I have no intention of spending more money then i saw tanner's hundred dollar hack squat and was like i want a hack squat like yeah the leg press i think is the one thing but like i don't need it so and it takes up so much space that yeah do you have the square footage without yeah i have the room um definitely have the room but i also like open space in the gym so i don't want to just like plop it down right in the middle

and then take it all away and have to walk around stuff but i have a belt school i have a belt squat so like i already can like do some leg stuff without loading my backup. But like I have a leg extension, leg curl machine. I can kind of hit legs as much as I want. I would love a belt squat or a hack squat. And I think I've, I had the two options. I would find the room if I'm being honest.

Yeah. I love the belt squat. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's an attachment, a rack attachment you can get. Yep. There's a bunch of different ones. You can get like a $80

one off Amazon, but it's just a matter of like how functional it'll be. Which, which, which, which bell squat do you have, Nate? I have the rogue rhino. Oh, nice. Okay. Yeah. I've seen a lot of good things about that. A couple times after. Oh, the cheap one. Yeah. Yeah.

The cheap light one when i was listening to that um segment they were doing about like what weighs more and when he said like a dirt bike or the rogue rhino i was like rogue rhino that thing's ridiculous. I've moved it. It's terrible. Now you had mentioned that you think you have the best gym in town. So you're in South Dakota. Are you in Sioux Falls or somewhere else? I'm not, I'm claiming my ignorance.

Well, Watertown, South Dakota. It's like in between Sioux Falls and Aberdeen, essentially. So you're like less than two hours from either basically. Yeah. It's like an hour and a half to Aberdeen essentially so you're like less than two hours from either basically yeah it's like an hour and a half to Aberdeen and an hour hour and 15 to Sioux Falls so that sounds like your commitment to show up on December 9th to the Sioux Falls meetup I think that's my

birthday as well so it probably would be a pretty good time to go down and do that meetup so I'm gonna do what I can to get there you'll get a lot of shots bought for you that night hopefully you have a dd maybe living easy uh but yeah i would definitely say that you're probably one of the few gyms in that town that has that combo rack i saw you have the texas strength combo rack how are you liking that i love it i'm very jealous it's like the one the one thing i'd like to add. I don't. So I would say like I work out alone probably like 90% of the time. But when other people are, when you're working out with other people,

there is nothing better than the like levers on a combo rack. It is just, and I'm pretty short. And everyone who works out with me is like four to five inches taller so like when we used to do it on just like the power rack it doesn't work well that's a bad deal now do you have a power rack still too yep okay so when you're doing like a max heavy squat with no spotter i'm hoping you're doing it your power rack not the combo rack just because you're going to tip your combo rack over if you miss. Yeah.

Unless she's bolted down, which should be golden, probably. No, it's not bolted down. Those spotters are definitely not supposed to be squat actual spotters. People always get confused, and that's why you get all the funny videos of dipshits flipping over the combo rack, because they drop 500 pounds on a fucking bench spotter. Yeah, no, I try to always, always well i won't say i always do there's a lot of the time i use the the combo rack but like if i'm going for like a heavy single or double i'm more if i don't have a spotter i'll be in the power rack for sure well i yeah i love hearing about home gyms so i guess one more thing on the home gym real quick uh because you know it ties in uh dolphin so i'm assuming you have a bunch of

kabuki bars so in this fictional world you can only own one kabuki bar what is it i'm gonna go transformer bar oh you like the transformer i love it even the rock even the rock uses the transformer bar who do you think you are? Are you better than the rock, Keith? I need to try a newer one. It was the Duffalo bar. It's always been the Duffalo bar. Agreed.

But this last prep, I primarily squatted the transformer bar on the SSB setting, probably up until five weeks out I mean then I did like two weeks of duffalo bar and then I think I did two weeks of just actual squat bar spots but my squat has never felt stronger my deadlift blew up I think like the SSB setting just like made my back half to just get jacked your upper back any kind of SSB is just made my back half to get jacked. Any kind of SSB is going to improve your upper back, typically, in my experience, because just the way the bar is, you literally

have to keep your torso. Your tits have to be facing the ceiling or you're going to get fucking collapsed. The only one I've used is the deadlift bar. That's the only Kabuki bar I've ever used. Love that, too. I don't have one, though. They use it at my meets. Send Chris an email.

I feel like I could have pulled more at the Live Hard, Live Easy on a Kabuki bar. It's got some whip for sure. It does. That's half the reason I own all the bars I have because Big Dave only uses Texas bars. The meat director up towards me uses all Kabuki bars.

I do USAPL every now and then. It's just a rogue Ohio Power bar across the board. So it's like, I got to have everything. I just like even the AirPods, I never use because like working out at home I'm not gonna like pop my headphones in yeah so like I never use headphones anymore so like all day I was like oh man I need to find some uh headphones and we had like a mic somewhere but that's disappeared so I was like last minute figuring that out of course hey. Hey, man, you only had two weeks to prepare. So, I mean, I don't know.

I guess, you know, it is what it is. Two weeks is. Yeah. Two weeks in the Build Fast Formula universe. And a bar. And it goes fast. And children and a wife and helping out at the real estate business. Probably.

That's it. You're a very busy man. Yeah. The children, you know, are probably the the one estate business probably. You're a very busy man. Yeah, the children are probably the one that really maxes the time out. I would imagine.

How many kids do you guys have? We have two. Nice. Pretty close in age or a little spread out? Four and six, so they're close. Yeah. Mine are two and four. Those are good are good ages yeah you'll be like the same essentially um there's a thing here in our notes that i wanted to touch on um you haven't tasted or smelled anything since 2020 yeah so it's horrible got got covid december 2020 and i my smell i can smell like a really really strong smell which is

normally something bad unfortunately so it's not it it's comes back for that so i i don't think it's completely gone i think we can get it back i just don't know how and i don't want to go to like a doctor and get like a nose surgery that sounds dumb but the taste like i don't think it's completely gone. I think we can get it back. I just don't know how, and I don't want to go to like a doctor and get like a nose surgery. That sounds dumb, but the taste, like I don't taste the food. I just like, if it's spicy,

it's like spicy and yeah, it's not enjoyable at all. Wouldn't recommend it. That's wild. So like I can see that would be horrible, but also like as a fat guy that just loves food, I think that would be beneficial. Cause like does, so does soda does like the Oreos and chocolate chip cookies and ice cream. Are you satiated or do you get that like high off the like like shitty unhealthy food now that you would have free?

I would describe the way of my diet's always been as like if you let a 12 year old be in charge of what they ate. So like I'm gonna eat that stuff anyways but um there's like certain things like peanut butter i just like it's really gross to me now like yeah all i get is like a gross burnt taste like yeah i'm picturing i used to like eat you know peanut butter bagels like daily so like now i just like we'll just put like normal butter on it instead um so there's definitely like certain things that like like that's why like another reason why like carbonated drinks like i just won't drink them as much just because like it's essentially just soda water yeah it's just tickling that makes sense so it's just not

great like it's not good when when i got covered in august of last year um like it was a it was like a week-long thing where my wife and son had it and i didn't get it until five days later i finally got it so it was like a two-week thing sorry where it was just like this is the worst because it was the time where like if you had it you had to go home you couldn't be in the world. Right. And then I was like, ready for it to be done. I was so ready. I was like,

I want to go back to work. I don't want to deal with sickness anymore. And then I lost my taste and scent. And it was like, I joke that it was like somebody was leaving the party and kick the trash can over to make me clean up just that one last piece of shit. And I only lost it for about a week. So I kind of like have experience with what you're going through uh but interestingly the first thing

i did was chug a bunch of moonshine just to prove like watch i'm not gonna make a face here it is like drinking alcohol is like such a weird thing because like i just get the burn you know like that's what i was doing i was like like, look at this. I can't, I was like, I can't taste a thing. It was swishing moonshine to show the video. That was actually, I can tell you,

I was on the deck having a cigar and a beer. Cause I was like, this is the last day I have to quarantine. I feel fine. And it was in the middle of the cigar and beer that I just lost everything. I remember exactly the day. Yeah. The last thing I ate was Godfather's pizza was the last thing i tasted and then when i noticed i it was like do you guys know what bores and cheeses cheeses negative it's like a little like round thing of

like softer cheese and i was just taking like pretzel things and like eating it. And I was like, um, this tastes like nothing doesn't have a taste. Like I was like, some of those weird. Easy, man. I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry.

That's good. I'm sorry that happened to you, man. Never been the same. Yeah. My, uh, my,

my, my, my quick losing, uh, I had COVID last February of this year. So like, you know, in the last year,

uh, it was like day four or five of just being sicker shit you know first time in my adult life i've ever had a fever so i'm just like fucking just miserable uh super congested my wife was bringing me uh an essential oil uh freaking peppermint essential oil to help like clear up my nasals and so she like she dabbed it on a paper towel and brought it to me and i'm like sniffing it and i'm like i'm like so like out of it that i'm like you didn't fucking put any on this what do you why did you bring me an empty paper towel and i'm like like like i i like i looking back on it now like i was an asshole like like borderline like like why the fuck would you do that and then like she comes in and smells like what are you talking about it's like completely covered and

then i like my nose started to burn a little bit but i still couldn't smell anything oh fuck i just lost my sense so that was in it was a solid two or three weeks and then it slowly came back it's um like ammonia ammonia like i feel like almost hits different i couldn't imagine have a scent it's just like the rage it's just the rage there's no warning scent this just happens well speaking of ammonia um i don't know if all of you guys know we do have a code with obsidian ammonia it is unpaid so you can save 15 if you go to hypedust.com and order some stuff and uh that'll help us out it'll help you out it'll help obsidian ammonia uh today speaking of the sad story sorry to bring it up nate of you not smelling things but i have a hit of the inferno cinnamon whiskey smelling salts so i'm

gonna mute i'm gonna mute the microphone and i'm gonna go ahead and have a scent of that because i am tired as heck i don't think you need to mute it no yeah you just want to hear this they can be pointless to mute it. This is my second rip of this since we started. Give the people what they want. So Big Joey's sitting in his bedroom, he's opening up his camera, he's taking a shot of it. He got into that cat piss good. So I'm

ready to go for the rest of this. Oh, right in the fucking eyeball. I couldn't do ammonia at 10 o'clock at night when I'm trying to go to bed in the next hour. Fuck that. You guys would die if you worked out at the time I did. What do you mean? I would be starting a workout

on a normal day, like very normal night right now. I can't do it. Nope. That's when you normally train now. More often than not, I will train at like 8, 30, 9 o'clock at night i mean so like so yeah i mean you're you're working a 12-hour day then you're doing your family stuff and then it's like hey you have an hour and a half squeezing something and then take a shower and go to bed i

get it whenever the kids go to bed at this um that sounds brutal and as kids get older it turns out they don't go to bed at seven o'clock anymore nope i would i've preferred and an interesting thing oh sorry i'm still all messed up here um i'm on vacation right so i was like no like i'm not getting up early i'll get up to help with the kids but then i want to go back to bed blah blah twice this week i've been up at five or six o'clock and hit the gym since going on vacation because like just like i'm going to bed earlier and like i'm just having more and i would rather do that than work out at night like i'll have some days like today i like right after i took the kids to school i came home and i did like the mate like the i had

a comp bench today and i did that quick yeah i did that this morning i bumped out some comp deads like i at most i have like an hour in the morning to do it every once in a while like in the afternoon like i might have time but more often than not it's like just night time i i really i'm at this point in juggernaut right now where, um, I'll open it and I'll explain it a little more for people that haven't used it. I'm 64 days out from my meet. Um, and I'm just in the middle of a strength, um, at like a mid intensity. And I'm at the perfect spot where if I skip accessories, I can get it done in under an

hour because it's five by fives, right. Or, or, or four by fours or three by threes. I can bust those out in a reasonable time um i detest when it's like the seven by fours like seven sets of four reps on bench like that takes hours yeah um i was like up until the last few weeks, my, it was like, I basically on all the like big three lifts, I would have to work up to like three sets of six and then like two doubles. But I like,

it took so long. I couldn't finish. Like I couldn't do anything other than the main thing. So now he's changed it to like descending sets. So I do 10, eight, six, four,

two, and it's so much faster but it's also like it's been kind of fun like hitting these like high rep sets because you like hit a weight and you're like oh wow if i can hit that way that means i'm my like yeah my double i should be smoking something it doesn't translate that way by the time i get to the double i can't smoke anything yeah and then i'm just tired. I think today I was like yelling. I wanted to be, I told my wife,

I wish that I had a bigger gym so I could just scream like Capiculic because I just hit that one deadlift and I was just like, ah! Now, what would stop you? Would it be a couple of cats or a couple of dogs? Like what would be more interesting to have in the gym with you?

I have two dogs and a cat. Okay. Any thoughts of getting any more? I sure hope not. My wife today sends me a picture of this Facebook post and it's a seven-year-old German shepherd. And I'm like, no. What? She goes, I told her she can bring them over to see if she gets along with her dogs.

And I was like, absolutely not. Like, I was like, this is 90% chance that like, she's just trying to like stir it up with me. There's that 10% chance that like she's bringing home an animal. Luckily it was a joke,

but so she did. And I bet she even brought that up today specifically because she knew you were recording because like one of her one of her uh final notes she sent me over was uh i could totally throw something in there about getting more animals at the house kittens puppies etc because i'm always asking and he's over it i know joey mostly covered that but that's like that was her words verbatim so That's pretty funny. I wasn't home or I didn't go along to get any of our first

three pets. That was bold. Our cat, the day we moved into our first house, we're moving stuff in. Her and her sister were supposed to be going to get a load of stuff. They were gone for probably two hours.

And when they got back, they had no stuff, but they had a cat. And I was just like, are you kidding me? That's a 20-year commitment. I would flip out on my wife if she did. So we literally just adopted cats Saturday. So I was sick. So we recorded last Wednesday, right Saturday. So I was sick. So we recorded last Wednesday, right? And then I got sick fucking Thursday.

And I had a horrible sinus infection cold from like Thursday to like I'm just now kind of over it. So I was like, no, I'm not going to let you go like pick out cats by yourself, basically, because then I'm going to be stuck with something that I didn't have any say in. So, yeah, I don't know how you do that. You're a very uh you know pliable man that i am not so kudos to you but i honestly it is probably the last cat i'll ever have because like she's a just different than most cats and in a good way or a bad way i think it's's a good way, but like, she's not, she's like a, I'm going to come like check out what's going on cat. Like she's always just wants to be like around people.

She doesn't dislike anyone, never has hissed at anyone. Like literally just like a great cat or like there's those cats that are the devil. You don't know what you're going to get. It's a surprise box.

You have no idea. My grandma, my grandma had a nightmare cat named Susie. That cat only liked my grandpa. Didn't like my grandma. Didn't like my parents or any of the other aunts or uncles hated all the grandkids. It was just,

it's a shitty cat. Her name was Susie. And she would just hiss and swipe and claw and hide. But then my cat was the opposite, right? So I hear what you're saying on that one. We can probably, you think you're ready to move into a little

unpaid and underrated or is anything else jumping out at you you wanted to go over? No can go unpaid and underrated nice how do you feel name it's feeling great let's go let's go let's go then let me submit are you familiar with the game you know where i feel like some of the guests even though it's uh you know we i'm trying to say the right thing yeah we try to telegraph it so so unpaid is overrated and then underrated is obviously underrated so unpaid or underrated let's see i will kick it off this week let's go big nate i'm gonna ask unpaid or underrated taylor swift oh oh that's tough actually you guys i feel like you're both anti-Taylor Swift.

Why would you say that? I don't know. Joey, I've heard you talk about your music. See, I don't know. A lot of people hate Taylor Swift. They hate her. And I don't understand how you can just hate an artist. Unless they're just a bad person.

Which she's not nope like she's genuinely like a celebrity who stays out of the spotlight if she's not like on tour which like except for lately with like the nfl stuff but but i would say yeah because she is extremely highly rated by probably yeah she's highly. At least 65% of America. 80% of the world. I don't know what she's like as a real person, but she actually seems like a good person. I personally haven't been a fan since she left

country music a decade ago, but that's just me. I'm not going to listen to pop music. I actually love Taylor Swift, but not in a I'm going to buy her albums and support the music, but just with all the other stuff you're saying, like, yeah,

I'm a T-Swift fan because she's great. She's just great. Like in general and seeing the NFL stuff is really fun. Cause you got like, it's triggering. God, I'm going to probably, somebody's going to hate me for this.

It's triggering the right dudes. They're getting, when you're like, Oh, congratulations for this guy for stepping up to T-Swift level.iss level right like she's gonna make him famous and guys are losing their mind and they're like what do you mean she's gonna make him famous he's the greatest nfl player blah blah and i'm like in america she's a global celebrity yeah the world knows who she is and nobody outside of north america knows who is. My wife tried to actually get me on

one of those videos, but she missed half the recording. I was just like, he's one of the best to ever do his position. I said, but granted, she is literally probably the most famous person in the world. Yeah.

And you're still going to go under that is that is a that's a bold choice so okay hey it might not be the right answer but it's my answer it's you as i forgot to mention the beginning you do have your druthers so you know it is what it is unpaid or underrated fruits and vegetables. Unpaid. Why is that? Don't eat them. What do I need them for? Don't they help with digesting every now and then? Maybe.

I don't know. You can't taste them anyway. He doesn't care. I literally like don't really do vegetables. I'll do like fruit every once in a while, but it's just not something i've ever done so there's no greens supplements coming from bff anytime soon maybe cool maybe we should put that on the uh the notes write her down some days i like i don't eat enough fruits and vegetables and um cabbage in particular i've hated my entire life but my wife just found a way to grill cabbage she literally throws it on a fire singes it douses it and some and then hands

it to me and i was like shit this is delicious i thought the losing the taste would help me just be like i was like oh i'll try like some vegetables and stuff. And the texture, I just can't. With no taste, the texture, I'm like, nope. I can see that. That ain't it. Yeah. So I bought some greens as supplements because personally, I'm with you. I'll eat steak and potatoes.

I'll eat chicken wings. There's not probably that many people who actually get enough vegetables. Oh, yeah. I think my wife eats like one serving of vegetables a month like literally it's just that's probably that bad greens powder and fiber

there you go so I'm gonna knock out my third one here let's see unpaid or underrated big jacked nays we're gonna go with darts darts yeah we're gonna get darts or underrated for big jacked nays we're gonna go with darts darts yeah we think of darts big underrated now is that so like is like you're in the bar and you're so um no cigarettes no like the game yeah you know i just like ripping darts is on the ring. Nothing like just smoking a pack a day. Like, I just can't get enough.

Just hacking a dart outside in the snow. No. So like bar darts, we have a dartboard in the gym. And if me and my wife work out at the same time, we'll play darts the whole time. Like during during like. Yeah, like in between in between sets. We'll just have you see that being very distracting um it is probably more for her than myself and like for me like especially

like when you get to heavy sets you need some rest in between anyways every once in a while it'll get like close to the end of the game and it'll like take a little while and i'm like oh my gosh i gotta go to the set but we're just trying to like go out so i'm i'm gonna pull a thread on something you had mentioned before joey takes over here so you work out with your wife it sounds like at least sometimes how does that go because the couple times i've tried to work out with my wife in my life it's just like nah it doesn't work we're on different worlds it doesn't like you try to help her. It works really good. Actually, she starts.

She got a I do my coaching through Kabuki strength and she got a strength coach probably like two months before the meet. OK, so then she'll wear like otherwise, like I'd normally be out here at like nine o'clock at night working out alone. It doesn't work that well. Ten out of ten wouldn't recommend but then like yeah she had a reason to be out here too and it really benefited my training so it probably like helps that she has a coach you know putting what to do and it sometimes is similar stuff where it's at least like strength training but i'd love to hear that like at the meet i was like are you gonna give me my bench handoffs and she was like no i'm not going in front of all those people

i was like but i'm used to yours like this is what wait so she didn't then like she she really did like she was sitting at the build fast booth and i was like you don't have to oh yeah that makes i was like you really don't have to do a handoff like you're gonna record my video anyways like anyone can do like a handoff the spotter like spotter guy like gave plenty good handoffs i didn't struggle so we're good yeah they were they were good at that me but i will beg to differ like there's a lot of people that give shitty handoffs yeah i've had um my meat before this one on bench like i just got a like random dude who was lifting in it because I didn't have anyone else to do it.

The dude was just drenched in sweat and just sweat on me. I was like, okay. That's so bad. I was like, this is a problem. The one that fucks me up the most is when they push the bar out six inches. Just clear the J-cups.

When I stop pulling it, don't push at all i don't want you to actually really lift it i just want you to like kind of make it feel light yeah but don't fucking push it yeah pushing the bar out completely like untucks my shit oh yeah it's not good no so i would say just skip handoffs do it yourself that grinds my knurling key grind your knurling all right big joey i'm handing the baton all right there's one here that was here before and two i added okay i for those of you listening um i'm not very good at show notes luckily keith is but the day of recording i go and just like bomb the shit out of his notes and then i add stuff while we're talking so it's really fun um

i was gonna say it probably drives you crazy no it's it's it's fine i i kind of like having them all set in place and most of the shit you add is shit you're gonna talk about it's not doesn't really affect me necessarily so i'm good with it all right uh unpaid or underrated cardio so i don't do cardio but it probably could be useful for something. To somebody. Yeah. I mean, like, I consider, like, anything over, like, four,

three revs as cardio. Like, so, you know, I'm getting plenty. I'm doing sets of 10, eight,

six. Like, that's a lot of squats. That's plenty of cardio. Absolutely. You're getting your heart rate up. Yeah, I'm huffing and moaning

at 10 o'clock at night. This is, this is cardio. Yeah. No. Oof. For a general population, yeah i'm huffing a movie at 10 o'clock at night this is this is cardio yeah no for a general population it might be good but for me it's uh unpaid yeah and and yeah i i hated it i i hated cardio so much i almost stopped working out because i was under the impression you had to do cardio so i'm with you on that one we I feel like I burn plenty of calories and get, like, plenty of cardiovascular stuff going during my lifting.

Every once in a while, I'll, like, do this. We have a stair climber, and I'll do that. And, like, that's not, like, I don't actually find it that bad. But, like, I get done, and then my quads just, like, are, like, cramped up. And it feels more like it's not going to help with recovery whatsoever. Yep. Did you ever do any farmer's carries on the stair walker? I can see that being kind of like a killing two birds with one stone kind of thing.

I used to love those. Farmer's carries or stair climber farmer's carries? So when I did go to a gym they had an inclined treadmill with a farmer's carry attachment i've seen those and it was my favorite tool it was the only thing i would like go to the gym to use because i mean that's great movement work though yeah like two birds one stone when i when i i'm getting um So I've been with my company for 10 years in four days. So October 9th is my 10-year anniversary. And they tend to give you a gift card.

And we agreed that I should use the gift card for me. Because I was like, cool, I can buy the kids some stuff. And then we kind of talked and we were like, no. Like we should use it for something for me. I want a deadlift bar, but I can't find any on Amazon Canada. So I'm probably going to buy some farmers carries. Do you not have a good Facebook marketplace in Canada? I refuse to be on Facebook.

See, I'm on it, but basically because we have businesses like local stores and otherwise I just look at marketplace. Yeah. I'll look, I can do some research for you a little bit. Cause I,

I mean, if you're actually like hard set on a debit bar, I'll ask some groups and stuff that are like, I have some Canadian friends that are into the whole gym scene and see what's readily available. But I wanted to use my work gift card for it. Okay. So it's going to be,

so it's, so it is going to be Amazon. Yeah. I gotcha. You couldn't maybe trade it though. gift card for it. Okay, so it's going to be... So it is going to be Amazon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. You could maybe trade it, though. I could trade it, yeah. The bartering system. We used to use trading and stuff like that.

The bartering, yeah. I got you. But I just... I hate Facebook and... Yeah, I like... I've gotten quite a bit of equipment off Facebook, so... Absolutely. We can add it to next week's Grinds My Nerling,

but the reasons I don't have Facebook is extensive. It's bad for your devices. It's bad for your brain and it's bad for your relationships. Like if I, if I find one on Facebook, I'll get it. And then you can just grab it next July. That makes sense to me.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll just wait, wait for that. Well, March when we see you at the Arnold. Oh yeah. Drive it there.

Yeah. Perfect. Well, I mean, just spend 10 grand last minute and do a Bill Fast Formula booth there. Unpaid or underrated surprise cats?

I like my cat, but I don't want any more surprise cats. I just wanted to say the phrase surprise cats. I didn't expect to get a long answer on that one. Hi, we're home. Here's a cat.

That was like the first animal we had. Didn't have any of the dogs. Didn't have any kids. So it was like way more acceptable. Surprise animals at this point are not acceptable. We forgot to do the thing we went to do, but here's a cat. I was like, what? Hold up.

That's actually great to me. At least you had already moved, so the cat didn't have to get acclimated right off the bat to a new location. It's not like you had it for a month and you had to move or something like that. That's the only benefit I could see. Oh yeah, and the cat,

they said it was a kitten. It ended up being pregnant. Great. That's so, but that's extra surprise cats. Oh yeah. We had, we had a surprise cat.

You had a surprise cat and then extra surprise. It was a surprise party. Really? That's good. You were at least able to talk at, uh, talk to the wife and, and not keeping any of the kittens that's impressive

did you drown them in the river say that cats didn't quite make it so there was a token into it but you know she was like sick she was like a there was no way yeah they also like we went to

a vet and i think the vet was like we need to get these cats out now and i think that that may be messed up but you know like i don't feel like it was as urgent as that that might have made a sound but all right no we have this game we like to play going dark with this i can't fucking hear any more of that i was laughing about the phrase surprise cats and we're like what it should have ended there i guess it's a moving on or i'm gonna unplug my headphones it's a thing my wife likes to say sometimes is uh once you get to a certain age all of your stories end with yeah well they're dead now and because like she says it's particularly about our older

generation right like with my dad and my mom and stuff like that. And it's like, yeah, yeah, we went out partying all the time. I always go to his house anyway. So he's dead now. And to me, it's funny. And she's like, it's so dark. So that's kind of like where we were heading there. Well, my wife always says I take things just a step too far. Nope, I'm in.

I think it's hilarious. Well, we bothered Keithith a bit but what doesn't what doesn't okay you're you're gonna be moving on the next segment next week yeah grinds my knurling absolutely embers for sure submit that all right uh last one uh for all marbles unpaid or underrated barefoot shoes underrated hell yeah i i wore like i it's just one of chris's companies i liked chris before i had ever any connection to him like and i always worked out barefoot like i the majority of my workouts i actually don't do with the barefoot shoes on yeah but like if i'm doing like top sets of squats and like deadlifts and stuff like that i'll put them on just because like i want to have the feel for around meat time or like especially like leading up to a meat i'll

wear them all the time but like i try to be barefoot as much as i can like i don't in the summer like when it's nice i don't wear a closed shoe unless I'm golfing. So I like them a lot. Now, are you talking sock barefoot or your toe fungus everywhere barefoot? I'm barefoot barefoot. I'm barefoot barefoot. This is my gym. I get that.

In my mind, my gym. I get that. In my mind, my gym is still a home to fucking 20 other people, potentially. So it's like that whole concept. As many dirty shoes as I've seen in my gym, I just fuck that. We got toes out right now. Nice. Actually, I took off my socks during this recording.

I will tell you that from the time my son has dropped off at 4.10 p.m., all my shoes come off, and I will not put shoes on again until the next day. So I'm the same way. I call it feral. I just stay feral, remain feral. I bought barefoot shoes finally bought the salmon ursus probably gonna get a second pair but again it was a big struggle for me because learning i needed

shoes for a meet right suddenly i was like well now i've spent all of this money trying to find shoes to wear to meet hated them all then one day learned that you just could buy barefoot shoes and it's like wearing nothing at all yep so i actually see i like the look of like barefoots um like especially like high the high top ones for when i'm lifting and meets like i think it looks good but um i used to like have to like i'd train barefoot and then when it got to like prep time i'd have to figure out like what pair of shoes i was wearing yeah and then they completely changed like and so like i had a pair like those one like whatever the reebok power lifting shoe and it's like it just like puts my foot into a bad position like completely throws it off so like the one like it's literally i tried like the deadlift slippers didn't like them i didn I didn't mind them, but I ripped through them.

Yeah. They just weren't, they weren't actually scant sent me them. So for my birthday, my wife reached out to scants and says, Joey wants deadlift slippers. And he goes, well, I have a pair. I'm just going to send them to you. So that was a really fun birthday present, but I, I'm sorry, scants. If you're listening, I smashed through those things. I ripped them right apart. Yeah. I had a few pairs of them you're listening, I smashed through those things. I ripped them right apart.

Yeah. I had a few pairs of them. I just didn't like them as much. I didn't mind them. But like, then I found out, like I said, I could just wear barefoot shoes.

Uh, there is another company. Um, so interestingly, we went to a football game. Yeah. Recently up here. And the guy I was selling 50,

50 tickets recognized my barefoot shoes and he goes hey man i like those like i wear barefoots and he had like a different brand he says yeah but those are those are too expensive i've got to save up for those and i was like just use code massonomics you get your 10 off and blah blah right and he did he took a picture of the massonomics belt bag i was wearing or fanny pack and then i was like looking at other shoes and i was like but like really the point of entry on barefoot isn't that high it's like 85 dollars american for like the minimum base shoe right this other company wildling i don't know if you've seen their shoes are gorgeous man gorgeous but they're 300 dollars no way that's that's a that's a bar bill i'm not paying 300 for any i don't care what it is the first pair i looked at i was like oh

these are so good looking i can't wait to see what these are it was 315 usd well they better suck my dick yeah like right they better cup the balls if they're power charging that much but it's just it's just funny that like this guy was like oh those are too expensive but like meanwhile you've got 300 pairs out there that do the same thing just you need just need something to cover your foot so if you step on a glass it doesn't suck and then barefoot does that so uh unpaid on that one i guess no underrated underrated hell yeah uh don't forget to pick up pick up the aerosonomics oh yeah those are pre-ordered i i didn't um i might regret that so i knew i knew about that shoe way before so i had to keep keep it uh

under wraps though but i knew so i've been planning on it for a while i don't have an interest in high tops at all i like i don't when i deadlift i don't like looking down at the low tops that probably sounds ridiculous it does i can see that but i have a pair of white low tops and i've tried dead lifting in them and i hate it that's fair that i i can get it but i don't and then i so i have the crimson high tops oh you got the crimson yep and i love those to like those are the ones that i compete in except for now they're covered in baby powder because my my one dog one day it was in the gym and i had my like bag from the meat and she found the baby powder thing and started chewing into it so the whole bag just got covered in it do you

wear socks with your barefoot shoes nope so i So I sent them an Instagram message and was like, should I be wearing socks with these or no? And they just left me on red like for months. I do, but like why? I don't really like socks that much. I don't mind socks. I have so many cool socks. In the winter, I probably will wear socks just because like cold, but more like I don't like when I normally wear them working out.

That's interesting. Okay. I think I have to during a meet. I think you need to wear socks. Well, for deadlift. Yeah. You have to wear the long socks. I don't have to, but I think you have to wear socks of some sort because I am in the WRPF.

So I'll find out more. No, any, any, any, any powerlifting federation, you'll have to wear like knee high socks or just like under the knee. Yeah. Deadlifting. You always have to have knee high socks. And that if, yeah, I don't know of any, I've competed in like five or six different federations and know if it's, it's so you don't bleed on the bar. Like when I, I make my shins bleed when i just normally train for some stupid reason i like don't wear high socks when i deadlift and afterwards i'm like oh i did it again

man it would have been great to put socks on yeah i remember that next time like anyway see you guys just an ugly shin just an ugly shin so i got i i got one thing i want to circle back to kabuki since you kind of have a relationship ish i was to some extent or at least uh you're a big fan so you just i everyone noticed recently they got rid of shipping one thing i didn't i didn't go back and look did they actually up everything like 20 to offset that and just say it's free shipping but it's just built in or i don't think so i guess i didn't look they just figured out free shipping because i mean that's what every other kind of like like most recently rep did it maybe a year or two ago because rep used to give

titan shit on instagram about having free shipping and saying it wasn't really free and blah blah blah and like rep would never do that and then like a couple years later rep you know raised the price across the board 20 and everything's free shipping i haven't looked because i haven't went to i haven't had any bars or anything that i've wanted to buy um i guess to look into that i don't know yeah i hope not because i probably want to buy something i just i think like their location is why their shipping was always so hard yeah i just wish they would get a lecterous nickel figured out because I really love my my Duffalo bars nickel

I have the spot burner it's glorious yeah but then my my other two Kabuki bars are just black oxide well there's there's just black oxide and it pisses me off too because like the power bar is like super dull and the deadlift bar is super shiny, even though they're both black oxide.

But they're just a different coating because the power bar needed to be more durable. Did you get them at the same time? Within six months or less. But no, so I've heard from dozens of people on Instagram that that's a thing. The deadlift bar is going to be shiny, and the power bar is going to be dull as shit. It's just like this way. It kind of bugs me when they're sitting next to each other i really don't care that much but uh just in general duffin and his finishes his bars has been kind of dog shit that's my one big like like just the fact that they i don't like nickel was like a great

it was like the alternative to stainless steel and then like they did it for a couple years and i don't know why they're not able to do it right now. I think when, when they do, when they do find a company that'll do it for them, like it turns out shitty. And then they end up having to sell like 60% of the, of the stuff is blemish bars and they lose their fucking ass. So like,

I get it. But I haven't had any issues like with other than like, I had a bare steel, um, boneyard, like Ohio deadlift bar. That's the only bar i've ever had any like rust even like show at all but like with the like i've had a black oxide ohio power bar for six years and that thing's just great like i i like the nickel just because it looks awesome but like i agreed for most people it

probably isn't necessary yeah no we're we're fucking majoring in the minors here but yeah we're bougie home gym people yeah i was gonna say i have a i have a bells of steel bear steel bar i just treated it for rust because it's in the basement i treat it probably every couple of months for us and i love that bar so could i got a could i've got a siracody finish probably could have got you know an onyx finish or whatever did you say it was a power bar yeah okay yeah i don't have a deadlift bar yet i have like it's a pretty power i wouldn't want a siracote deadlift bar that's for sure but i don't even know if i'd want an hour bar one. Just because the knurling is just way different.

That's why I went with Bear Steel. I always had that opinion. There's like a couple old Cerakote bars from Texas, from, you know, Texas power bar that I used were dull. But then I felt something that was super sharp. So it was more, yes, a cerakote coating will dull your bar fucking like five percent but it's like these dramatic like 25 30 percent like number of people are thrown out it's because the bar bare steel was shit to begin with like and i felt that like

firsthand like i have like a i just got three texas power bars three different you know a squat deadlifting power bar all in orange cerakote in the last six months and they're all sharper is sharper than the black zinc versions that i sold i mean like so it's it's more a matter of they're they're just making the bars better and sharper now and more consistent at least in the ones that i bought so i would say it's very hit or miss now keeping in mind i went from a aluminum finish bar or chrome finish with no knurling. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're.

It, like, has, like, the, like, look of knurling. Yeah. But it's not. But it's flat. Yeah. Well, again, this was. That's knurling adjacent. I still have my original, like, black one of those, like, painted black barbell that, like, has knurling, but it's really not.

Peter Bar. Yeah. And, you know're this was during covid when i was building my gravel pit right i actually put a picture of it in the discord the other day i thought i had a bar because my dad was like no i've got a bar downstairs go take a look it's a one inch pig iron bar i couldn't find weights i couldn't even find colors that would fit this because it's not actually one inch it's like one and a half inches because it's pig iron. So it's just got a half an inch of rust or something fucking dumb on it, right?

Love it. That's why it's still down there. Is that when you started your work not at home was COVID? Yep. No, I think I've told the story before. I had two gym memberships. before I had two gym memberships. I had the boutique gym and the cheap gym because the boutique gym didn't have proper deadlift. So I would go to the cheap gym because for some reason their manager was a lifter.

So she understood. So she had proper deadlifts platforms, proper deadlifts there. Like, so I would go there to deadlift. And then eventually one day I got sick of waiting for the deadlift bar and i think the i think the one day i went and there was just the kid raced me to the open platform so he could do shrugs oh no on my deadlift day and that's when i was like nope nope we're deadlifting at home from now on and then so my dad was like well here's the bar i have and i was like okay but that's like i can i'm at this point i just break on three plates and he had maybe 100 pounds in weights i was like that's

not gonna be enough like i'm gonna need more so i went to the only place near me that had anything because it was this was was right before COVID. And she was like, I don't have anything that'll fit that. I don't know what that bar is. I don't know where that bar came from. That's not a power bar. So I was like, okay, I don't want to buy one. They're so expensive.

And she's like, what do you mean it's so expensive? I have a $100 bar here. And that's when I got my first chrome plated it was only 40 pounds wasn't 45 right but that got me through yeah and then one day i was like well i want to compete this bar isn't going to cut it that's when i ordered the bells of steel and i ended up giving that bar to my friend for her home gym because she was like i'm not going to compete i just need something resistance training so i said we'll take this and here's a set of 45s and you can figure out the rest on your own you might have to put something in the middle to make it fit but yeah well not well not with that one that one was olympic but the pig iron one oh

i still have it though that's the one that's got the Wendler weights and downstairs that I posted. Well, big Nate, I think we're going to get into our last segment here. I think everyone else is, uh, we're good. Uh, this is where the, uh, the guest gets asked the host a question. So we asked big Nate to prepare a few questions for us and let's see if he did his homework better than finding functional headphones. My biggest question is, Keith, how did you get it? So people actually come and go like as open gym. That was so hard.

You get people to come work out and like, unless it's like a super close friend, people like don't want to do it. So, okay. Okay. So basically I've been doing every power meet or I've either been unless it's like a super close friend people like don't want to do it so okay so basically i've been doing every power meet or i've either been competing in every power meet or going to every power meet and like in my town for the last fucking eight years and you know social media so then whoever you kind of meet the meet uh you know you do your best to follow them on instagram which is even that that's a struggle on its own, too, because, you know, unless you like specifically say, hey,

what's your Instagram? He says, like, so I'll go to the to the meat directors page and just look at everything he reshare anything he was tagged in or look at the location and just randomly find people like, OK, that that that fucker was at the meet that fuckers at the meet. And then you just, you know, build a rapport over the years. the first few people so it all started maybe in 2018 the people that i had already knew on instagram from meeting the previous meet and then when i saw them at the meet six months later a year later it's shooting the shit and at that point i had already stopped going to commercial gym probably 70 percent of the time and started training in my basement and started to build it out to where i was like oh okay i could i could

do a little bit more and actually like get a people down here. So let's try that. So it probably took me a while just randomly inviting people over. And I had one dude that came over for two or three weeks and then just kind of ghosted me. And then this other people that – it was a guy and a girl that were kind of casual friends because they went to the same school together, the same college around me. They came over and then just started regularly coming over. So that was like me and two people. We're kind of casual friends because they went to the same school together. This is the same college around me. They came over and then just started regularly coming over. So that was like me and two people. And then I just like posted about that as much as possible, like over the years, just to kind of like make it known kind of thing.

And I was like, oh, I really enjoy this. Like I love trading alone 50 to 75 percent of the time. But that like that quarter of my week where I have people over it's it's it's fuck i cherish that immensely but it's been so much work and i really like it's just timing and just you know meeting random people but like i would say the bulk of it has been people that met at meets and then just like mushrooming out from there because like their friends become my friends you know it's like hey do you have a buddy you have to bring them over stuff like that but it's it's hard like if you don't have local meets like i don't know like uh because then it's like

there's there's a couple powerlifting gyms locally too but then i don't want to be the douche that like uh you know uh goes in with the work um so you know tries to get their clients to come train at my place so it's going insane if you want to come to my house yeah so that's hard too oh so another one we're gonna watch a movie there's there's at least two or three people that are like really good friends now people that i'll train with either like monthly or a couple times a year that i literally sold equipment to like five years ago six years ago and so so every time i saw every time i flipped something or sold something from like 2015 up until like covid when i kind of got out of the game i'd be like hey do you want to do you want a gym tour you know just because like these are people that are like starting out buying something you know from me and there's like yeah

you know and i would say at least 75 percent of the people took me up on it and said yeah came down into my my cellar and looked at my gym and weren't murdered or raped or anything. 75% of them weren't murdered. Yeah, we know. If we believe you. I could talk about that for hours because it's still hard too. Once I eventually

started the separate Instagram page so I could start featuring. Before, it was weird that I would just keep resharing my friend's stories on my own page. So then I had the gym page, which I wish I started years before. Um, when COVID hit, I actually opened up a garage gym. I just like, I had enough extra shit that I threw shit in my garage just for people to come and train segregated alone. Cause we were like super secluded in ourselves at that point uh and so that's like people that

i casually kind of knew then took me up on that and then some of those people became like regular lifters and then just uh i don't know and but i think without instagram probably would never would have happened because just following as many people in the local lifting community that you can find um which is hard too if you don't if you don't have a local lifting community i don't know what to do yeah i think that's where the issue comes so like we're like a town of like 20 000 and it's like blue collar to the max and not that many people like it's not a big workout community we have like a it's weird there's like a ton of really like there's like the town like community gym that has like all the pool and everything and then there's like one other like big 24-hour gym

otherwise it's just like a bunch of really small gyms that all have like a weird little niche but power lifting is definitely not one of them um so that's probably where the problem is i do love like the idea of like one saturday a month just like getting a group of people like well i actually just want to like do a good lift that's that's all i've ever wanted i cherish it i mean so like because like my my sundays have been extremely consistent when they are but then i like everyone like all my friends have fucking moved away you know got married got drops in other states like that it's just like so my sundays have become like kind of the lesser of the thing and then for me to keep it going i've opened up like one friday a month

and then i just kind of i kind of pick a friday i kind of coordinate with a couple people uh and then but those are hard too because then it's just like it's so consuming of the house because my gym's in the basement so like my wife's upstairs and we're just downstairs fucking blaring music and dropping deadlift bars for three hours it's kind of like i i can't do it any more than i'm already doing basically like like i i i could i can't go like yeah every friday because i'd get like three people one week and fucking 20 the next so it's just like once a month the average six to twelve people you know max so like tomorrow i think it's gonna be really light i can just be like four or five people potentially but who knows maybe eight will show i don't

fucking know yeah we were just trying to talk we're talking about like trying to do something similar like one one saturday month see if if we can get like even poke some of those two fall boys to drive down people to come hang out and work out you know because it seems like there's a good good chunk of us who all just kind of like do our own thing and probably why the mass like massonomics crew is like gotten so bad because there's so many similar people and it's like oh we can chat about like all this different stuff weird yeah i i agree poke the crew follows poke the aberdeen people right and i they won't take it up at first because you're right all of us are fiercely independent i should bring that up i would host a crew meet up at the the garage gym here so shit dude i didn't think about that if i

were to like you said you're an hour and a half from aberdeen go to go work out with tanner like yeah i know my my hardest part is like my schedule on a day-to-day basis can just yeah drastically okay yep all of a sudden it's like oh friday night i gotta close the bar like yeah oops somebody called in throws a wrench pretty quick into yeah plans with other people but i keep pursuing it man i don't know like like did you did you not meet anyone at the meet that's from watertown or like no there's no one from watertown nope that sucks man i guess i'm spoiled at how close i am and i'm kind of supposed to because i'm like i'm i'm like i'm 90 minutes from like a couple other really big areas so i got friends of both of those that have made the

trip but not very often so it's just like you know but yeah that was a good question i appreciate i don't think anyone's asked that or anything even close to that. So I really, I loved answering that because that's one of my favorite ones. Well, what he does is he posts, he posts on Instagram and then gets mad when everybody answers. Well,

no, cause like I get, I get, I guess you get smart asses that say, yes, I'm coming. And I'm like, well,

it's like, I'm, I'm, I'm honestly, cause my wife's like, that was when you did your poll the other night i was gonna put no i i said no to it i was actually gonna answer this one my bad he's got 50 no's from people that like obviously are across the continent no one's within 300 miles a big negative of trying to coordinate like these lifts sometimes too is like some people that are like considered like friends like people just will

they'll say they're calm and then they'll ghost you or they won't say anything and then they'll show up or they'll just like you just won't you'll fucking just they'll leave you on red and i'm like what the fuck like like it's so like as great as it looks on instagram like there's another like 20% of the time where I'm just like, yeah, this fucking person didn't tell me anything or never showed up. It's just, that part's frustrating. Just trying to like anticipate how many people are going to be at my

house. Or is it, or is it, they all do, they're all powerlifting, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, so I've, some people come in bodybuilding shit, but not really. Like I had like one dude that came in just like like dumbbell stuff and i got like some guys really into grip and just there's people that come and just almost like almost just dick around just are there for the camaraderie like there's a couple guys that literally do that that's fine yeah no it's it's fun that's like i'm always like people can come they don't have to do what i'm doing they can do

whatever they want they can just play darts just don't put your fucking airpods in because i don't just if you come to my gym and wear fucking headphones like unless it's going for a max single no and then it's kind of like let's just turn the music up this isn't a public gym we're not going to do that this is that's weird that's it's it's it's happened a couple times but it's like it's been people maybe like in meat meat like meat prep or something and they're just like trying to hit like like they need to hit this single because it's like you know so i get it but like there was one dude that came over it's just me and him and he just put his air pods in from like the beginning i'm like what like go home like fuck off like that was like he just came to your gym and then ignored you like if you want to work out alone go work out alone yeah that was the that was very awkward but that was like that

was like a one-time thing and i just want to have like a big enough group of people that was like a one-time thing. I just want to have a big enough group of people that can actually be like, let's go! Oh yeah. Pick it up! So, you know, well, once we actually set a date for the no wine solar meetup, we'll have you check airline tickets and get your... You'll have to see if we can make

it out there. So next time you're in the neighborhood, I will put this out to anyone. Anytime anyone's in the neighborhood up here, you do have a free day pass. Turns out I've never been in the neighborhood, I will put this out to anyone. Anytime anyone's in the neighborhood up here, you do have a free day pass. Turns out I've never been in the neighborhood, but you never know. You just bill it to Chris. Sorry, man. This is for the-

That's going to work. Sorry, this is for Bill Fast Formula. We have to go to New York. What the fuck? All right. I won't monopolize any more of the time there. So what do you got for Joey? If anything.

Joey, so is your biggest thing strong, man, then? Nope. I am a power lifter. Power lifter? But I do love. It's hard. You do a lot of stuff. I know.

It's mostly power lifting. I'm on juggernaut. But then just like, I'll just see a rock. And I'm on juggernaut, but then just like, like, I'll just see a rock and I'm like, Oh, I'm going to have to lift that. Like I, I, I'm a powerlifter because it's the most accessible. Um, but I definitely have strong man, uh, adjacent love. I've got the Denny stones. I've got the crash mats. I want a log press. So when I was saying that, like I'm getting that gift card, the two things I looked for was a deadlift bar and a log press. The log press I would have to take outside.

Cause I don't think I have room to do it in the basement. But that's also fine. Cause I have weights just sitting around doing nothing right now. So yeah. Yes, definitely strong man adjacent. So how many meet was the massonomics meet you didn't do that no you didn't be i've done two i'm doing my third one in december okay yeah uh one unsanctioned two sanctioned because i wasn't gonna i guess i'm like tanner when he talked about uh i don't burn the ships i did have other plans i was going to do an unsanctioned first to see if I even cared.

Cause I didn't, I honestly was just doing powerlifting because I love deadlifting and powerlifters deadlift. And then I was like, well, like I'm going to do it. I might as well do it for a reason. But what if I don't like rules and regulations?

Cause if, you know, anybody knows me, I don't, I don't like rules. I don't like rules and regulations because if you know anybody knows me i don't i don't like rules i don't like regulations you i could go off for hours on how much i hate dress codes and corporate talk and all that shit turns out i did enjoy competing because really just you gotta listen to cues and there's nothing else so what i gotta wear an oar and socks life is hard right like and then are you what like 165 class uh yeah yes that's what you've been yes uh but i'm currently the heaviest i've ever been in

my life i weighed in at 172 yesterday which is the heaviest i've ever been getting beefy which is the heaviest i have ever been getting beefy jackson getting big no not too comfortable um that's too comfortable no i'm starting to feel bloated a lot uh but definitely probably alcohol related just because i'm on vacation so i've been going a little harder than i would have before um some of my shirts aren't fitting properly, which I don't love. So generally, I like to compete under 170, which I could easily do. But under 165 is ideal. Yeah, I was 165 my first few meets. But now it's been 181 for the last probably four.

But now I'm getting to the point where like i'm starting to think i've like self-sabotaged my like eating to stay around the same weight because i like i just walk around at like 182 183 yeah i don't have to want to have to worry about it like if i go up the next weight class then like that's just a lot way bigger dudes like i'll just be in the weight class i'm at the bottom of that weight class or the top of mine but now i'm getting to the point where i'm like i kind of want to just like see if we can like maybe get up go up and that's why i haven't done strongman is because like who's ever heard of a strongman under 200 pounds right yeah like i'm not like they're five they're they're deadlift on the mammoth bars 200 pounds for 500 pounds for reps and i've never done it once

but like i really want to lift rocks i really want to do the strongman stuff there's just some i've never done any strongman stuff but like there's definitely some events that it's like that looks fun like yeah that just looks like a good time tomorrow steve's gonna bring over his adjustable dumbbell because you know when him and i first started working out together, he taught me circus dumbbell. And I think the max I hit was 55 or 60. I'm fairly certain I'm above that now, but I've never been able to test it because we don't go to the gym.

Yeah. But I've got the crash mats. He's got the adjustable dumbbell. He's like, you know what? I'm going to bring that. We're going to have some fun tomorrow. I just shoulders have always been a weakness of mine.

I don't think I would be good at many of the pressing events they used to be a weakness of mine until i hearkened back to earlier until my knee got hurt my knee and my hip um same leg right knee right hip suddenly i was no longer a deadlift specialist because i couldn't so started, well, might as well take bench seriously. And then my bench just flies now. Jen Thompson actually said something recently about, um, stop using your arms and shoulders to bench and start using your lats to throw the bar. And video actually. Yeah.

And she said that and I was like, oh, that makes perfect sense. And then suddenly benching was so much more comfortable. I've been squatting without pain recently. Thanks to starting strengths. I got through that chapter and was like, Oh, that's what I'm doing wrong. And that fixed a lot of stuff still can't do high volume, but. That's so nice when you've had like pain for just a long time. And all of a sudden you're like oh i'm doing something that

before was like really difficult because of the pain yep that's why i had to start doing sumo deadlift because like i'm i'm a i'm a short person like i'm like what five foot seven but like i have like a six inch torso so i'm all legs so like pulling conventional i was essentially like doing a glorified like rdl and it would just kill me yeah so and it took me like a really long time to switch to sumo like i couldn't do it i tried multiple times and it just it's uncomfortable i was like i feel stupid like this is i'm just conventionally in a debt like sumo stance and then all of a sudden i just it clicked and i'm like oh now we're having fun this is now we're having a good time i i'm i'm self-taught the only person

ever showed me how to do anything was steve who also is mostly self-taught yeah right he taught me how to deadlift so he taught me me conventional. I've tried sumo. It's uncomfortable. My hips hate it. It's fine. I'm a conventional deadlifter. I'm good with that. But like my squat, I was just doing it wrong.

I was literally just doing it all wrong. So reading starting strengths, like literally, I was like, got to turn your feet out, got to spread it in and in and in. So squatting without pain is nice i still don't think i can do over 300 pounds right now just because my hip is on fire all the time but yeah to answer your question what part of your hip uh i sprained my hip flexor on my right hip so the joint where the where the bone goes and and grinds scar tissue so we had to learn some exercises to strengthen and release and all that but like it's never gonna be perfect and it's the same thing that happened to the mcl on my right leg but because of that your body

compensates so suddenly my my lower back is on fire because my lower back is trying to keep up the weights that my hip can't keep up. And it was just a rolling. It's also today. Today I had major bicep pain. So I had to put the straps on for my deadlifts because I'm not. The weather's changing. Yeah. Well, I've had that for a little bit, too.

But like now I'm wearing straps for deadlifts that are warm-up weights 335 right but i'm not risking pulling a bicep yeah just for the for the gram like i'm not i'm not i'm going to switch to the i don't care how much it hurts like that's stupid take care of yourself always try uh elbow sleeves i know it's weird but like i i will definitely wear elbow sleeves on deadlifts sometimes. Anything in my forearm, elbow, or lower bicep, tricep thing hurts. An elbow sleeve will be a little band-aid. I've got them.

That's not a bad idea. You guys both mixed grip? Yep. Me too. No hook grip here. I only do hook. I only do hook grip and double over. I gave up

mixed grip like five years ago i've tried hook and if i get like to 400 pounds it just is nope not anymore it hurts way too much i've spoken about before um i have nerve damage in both arms from the pretty much the tips of my fingers all the way up to my shoulders it's ulnar nerve tennis elbow golf elbow like if you carpal tunnel if you name it i have it in my arms from a job i had in my early 20s so the fact that i can deadlift at all is pretty amazing but my grip is two to three years behind the rest of me. It'll never be perfect. So we are going to hook, we are going to mix grip, we are going to wear straps as often as possible, because, like, no, I'm going to drop it. Like, the grip is going to give out before my back or legs.

And so, yeah. Learning I like figure eights more than the other kinds, which I never had before, but now I'm leaning towards those. I don't have much experience with straps. Because, I don't know, I don't like setting up with straps on. I feel like it puts me into a bad position,

and so I just do as much as I can without them. That's fair, but with my shitty grip, I had to learn with straps. I'll do my warm-ups without but anything over a single i'll do a heavy single without but anything like two to three or four reps at a certain weight i have to because i just won't be able to finish because my hands will go numb my fingers will start to like go out like it just it's i'm just fucking old i'll make it right i'll i'll make

a recommendation for you nate if you actually are looking to like like if you have like a ridiculous amount of volume and you're like yeah it's gonna destroy my hands you don't want to dribble over you did want to dabble with straps look into versa grips um because like for me i i fucking hate traditional straps because the whole like rolling thing around the fucking bar and like tighten it up like you're having a motorcycle. I never felt in a natural position using quote unquote traditional lifting straps.

Figure 8s have used so so for me at least but Versa grips are great. It's just like it goes around your wrist and it's just like a leather strap with like a little like a thicker head part. So that part wraps around the bar and so you're still setting up exactly the same. There's a couple head part. That part wraps around the bar. You're still setting up exactly the same.

There's a couple different versions. I think I bought a pair of them 10 years ago. I don't think it's that brand. It's that similar style. It was before I even got into powerlifting. I just have never liked, I don't know.

Like when I set up for my deadlift with straps, it just feels like it's not the right setup. That's fair. Yeah. But I just don't know. I don't know anything different. Cause I don't have a choice. I think I'm an OCD a little.

So like, are you looking up to the left a couple times before each never never noticed it until we talked to him about it shit he does it every time yeah i i because he kind of called us out on it's like you haven't noticed that like he's giving us shit for us like i mean i guess i don't know like sorry sorry i don't remember every single person's video and every single thing they do in their videos like there's fucking there's 400 of us now i think oh it is big it is big all right is that all you got for us yeah you guys can get to bed there's fucking there's 400 of us now i think oh it is big it is big all right is that all you got for us yeah you guys can get to bed it's later there oh i'm so tired

now are you are you one hour right or yeah where's yeah i'm central because isn't isn't who are we talking to the other week where like that was is it is it the dakotas that like part of it is central and part of it's western? Yeah, halfway through. So once you go past Pierre, then it goes another hour. I got you. So you're in central and not western. So the Dakotas should be east and west Dakota, not north and south.

That's what I've heard. You're not the first person to say that. Because there's nothing similar about east and west sides. I mean, they have rattlesnakes out there jesus so different all right well um thank you for joining us this was really awesome especially to have you know a sponsor and somebody that i didn't really get to talk to at the at the meet yeah we didn't really uh chat much at all it was it was impossible i think i talked to abby for 30 seconds like it's i've said it before i'll say it again it was impossible but now doing what we're doing next year it's gonna be so different because i'm now

gonna be like oh yeah like we're best friends i was in the discord uh like two days ago and i was gonna say can we actually just get like another meet in like the january time i'm ready now to like start a prep yep no i feel like i feel like i did talk i talked to you not a lot but yeah we talked some like at anner's and then a little bit you know i think i said did i say goodbye to you three times at the zoo? Probably not. We weren't at the zoo very long. We're not like big drinkers. We had a night with no kids.

So it was like let's go watch a movie and not watch a kids show. Let's go take some vasoblitz. Or like let's just sleep. Just sleep comfortably yeah like

I don't have to get woken up let's go to bed so you just drove home I guess because you were only an hour and a half away we stayed made a nice little weekend of it oh yeah well yeah

anything else you want to cover before we start going to closing no I think we can shut her down okay All right. Well, yeah. Anything else you want to cover before we start going to closing? No, I think we can shut it down. OK, so this go ahead and dive right in to the exit. Go ahead. And over on Instagram, we are unpaid and underrated podcast. Please give us a follow their website, unpaid intern podcast dot com. Where are they going to find you, Big Joy? They're going to find me at mostly squat videos on instagram um i promise go follow i make great memes the best memes you've ever seen

and eventually i'm going to be on the podcast one day um you know really talking about big matt tried to get him on again today i you know i got scans on last second but really ideally we were going to get big matt to join us for that uh but hey man next week you know i got scans on last second but really ideally we were going to get big matt to join us for that uh but hey man next week you know try and pick up your phone uh but you can find big matt saved me on the meat day oh how so my second deadlift was 601 i think and i if i wouldn't have got the down command it was going to get dropped because my hands were so sweaty. Oh, normally when I train at home use a liquid chalk, but I was out. And I was like, I need liquid chalk.

So I was just like, went up and I said something, he goes, Oh, I have some. And I was like, let's go. I had my hands out and smoked my third better than my second. Hell yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He is a, yeah,

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