Unpaid And Underrated - 040 : Weak Weak

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Swimhack. They dive right into great topics like rat tails, home gyms, getting ribbed by the guys, huge tattoo news, AI, copy cat apparel companies, and YouTube first comments. Links Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) Our Guest On Instagram @swimhack (https://www.instagram.com/swimhack/) or on the web at benchonly.com (https://www.benchonly.com/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Swimhack.

hello everybody and welcome to unpaid and underrated this is episode 38 we are tuning in live joined by big keith who man does not have his orange glasses, doesn't have a beard. So we are joined by Big Keith's younger baby brother. Hello, honey. And of course, we are joined by

Swimhack this week. What's up? Alright, so Keith, what do you got for us this week? Oh, no. I was just uh ever i just turned up the volume there sorry uh oh oh yeah oh i don't know uh drinking let's uh the the the first uh segment as we always try to get into is what are you drinking um i'm gonna kick it off i guess so hot water again uh but blood orange so i know we had some what didn't when there's when there's some blood orange topic the other day about the, but blood orange. So I know we'd had some,

what didn't, when there was, when there's some blood orange topic the other day about the actual fruit blood orange, which I've still never had, but the blood orange chop water is enjoyable. I am a fan. Well, I,

I just cracked a Keith's because it's that time of the day. Uh, I do have a sparkling water, but it's warm. So I want to give it some time to get piping hot. Uh, and it is, um, one that it's one of those weird ones that my wife purchased that I have asked her to never purchase again.

So it's, it's a bunch of botany flavors like lavender and juniper and all those things I normally like. So if I crack it and I make a silly face, you know, that's what I'm drinking. We'll let you swim back. What you got? All right. So I've got a whole lot of course. I've got a sparkling fresh sugar, sugar,

plum, apple cider. I'm a big fan of apple ciders. We were traveling a couple of years back in Washington. We stayed at a hotel across the river there, and they had some warm apple cider out in the evening because we would go out there and just fill up as many cups as we can.

And so I've been looking for the perfect flavor ever since, and that's not it, but it's pretty good. We'll see. Yeah, sugarplum isn't one of those things that I'm like, you know what, I can't wait to have sugarplum. I don't think I know what a sugar plum would taste like. I don't know. And apple cider is definitely an acquired taste, I feel.

It has to be like a pumpkin patch or something and nice fall weather, I think, for me to really want to dive into that. But we did appreciate rocking out the OG drink spotter. That's not too many people go through the effort of bringing that in from the gym. It's only like 10 feet, so I worked really hard for it. Can't beat it. Well, he's definitely putting us to shame there tonight. He's

showing off the guns wearing a... Which tank top is that there? The old bench heavy. Bench heavy, yep. One of the OG gray black uh bench heavy tanks i love that uh in in honor of uh you know the the the total specialist uh big big james i'm wearing the bench heavy shirt also uh in the the blue t-shirt oh and he's right here we got some shorts og live shorts yep i love it uh i pulled out uh a blast from the past i've got the lift hard live evil

collaboration going um again as mentioned every week i'm just running out of shirts that fit so i remember this one had a bit of a bigger blank so this is the one i'm wearing today so i'm curious if you guys' closet looks the same as mine. Literally every other shirt belongs in the Massanomics gym. Yeah, it is. Part of the reason for this segment is to see how many times we can all pull something that's different or older out. I'm actually going through and pulling out all the smalls because i don't fit into small t-shirts anymore but when i first yeah when i first joined massonomics i was a small

and then i was a medium and now i'm a large and now those are starting to get a little small so i was going through some of those and i'm really sad to say that my get a grip shirt is on the chopping block and that's one of my favorite shirts you know that one's got well it's going to go in a bag because eventually i'm going to stop doing this i'm going to like not keep being big i'm going to go back to being a little smaller so we're going to keep those shirts but sure sure the pursuit of strength it'll end one day but that is a running that is a running segment and trend james is uh i think everyone pretty much has at least two full wardrobes of Masonomics shirts in different sizes. Some of us three.

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned. I think someone did say they had like they were actually up to four separate sizes. But I'm at three personally. There's multiple shirts that I have and that I have duplicates of and a couple that I have triplicates of. It's just like, oh, God. Well, that's the mass and all this effect, isn't it? Yeah.

But you want to rep the boys. So you gotta, you know, basically I have enough gear to wear mass and all my stuff at my three different sizes that I've been in the last five years. So. Well, you join when you're small and then you learn how to get strong,

stay strong and use your strength. So now you're getting a lot bigger, right? Like, go ahead. Well, once you join, you automatically become big. So, I mean, that's, that's, and use your strength. So now you're getting a lot bigger, right? Go ahead. Well, once you join, you automatically become big. So, I mean, that's part of the problem. Yeah, there's no good way on that.

I put it out there the other day. I bought the kid's shirt for my daughter. Yeah. And I put her in the Masonomics shirt. I went out for steak, and I brought her and my family with me. And we got her what she normally eatsic shirt. We went out for, I went out for steak and I brought her and my family with me and we got her what she normally eats was just chicken nuggets and fries. Right. She wanted nothing to do with the chicken nuggets and fries. She only wanted to eat my steak. So I ended up having to cut up my steak and she's going, Mo, Mo, Mo, because she's two, right? That's how she says more. And then the next morning, okay morning okay honey here's your toast with cream cheese and your

berries and then she goes mo daddy because i'm eating baked beans and bacon and eggs and she wants my high protein dinner or breakfast so i assume which is the massonomics effect guys like you put their shirt on and they're like well now i gotta get bigger so saga my two-year-old is like well no now it's time to get bigger i wore the shirt let's go no i am glad you specified that that she says that specifically because she's a two-year-old and not because she's canadian because i never really know you know when there's uh so just for clarity james uh i i am big keith i think i've mostly been the one talking to you on the instagram uh and then joe uh so i'm in rochester new york, and Joey is in. We can't one where Ontario, which. Yeah, there you go.

OK, so there's a lot of a lot of Canadian just him and I live like three hours apart, but it's like completely different worlds. It feels like sometimes with the dialect and what we call stuff. So there's always a lot of chuckles with that. Yeah, I bet. a lot of uh chuckles with that yeah i bet uh so i guess we can let's go to the uh stealing topic since we were talking about what what we're wearing everyone saw the two companies in the last couple days to came out with some uh fraudulent you know designs that were clearly something that tommy had made up in the last several years and they plastered on their own shit and uh you know we've been having some fun with that, trying to,

uh, trying to get a response from them or to get them to acknowledge it or to, you know, get them to take accountability. And then basically all they're doing is deleting comments and locking, uh, uh, locking the ability to even comment on posts.

So that's kind of some Bush league bullshit. And I don't know, do not support companies that do that, but it has been fun having a common enemy. Yeah. You get the whole crew on them and the whole mass economics team. It's over. Oh yeah.

And we, and we went after them hard. And even, even my wife went looking at them. So apparently iron Panda, she says is either AI or not Canadian. She's like that company either doesn't exist or they don't speak english so iron panda stealing i'm gonna name names normally i don't name names on this podcast

but i'm naming names um they stole the ouch everything hurts and all they literally did was just remove the word massonomics yeah it's the same like they stole that shirt to a t and i like i i think they didn't know what they're doing i think it's ai i think they're not a real company they're just like a quick buck t-shirt manufacturer uh but the other one is going out there stealing images yeah yeah because she said most of their stuff was stolen right lift heavy like they all of their stuff is just a variation of standard gym shirts right like oh caffeine drink coffee lift heavy right yeah um but the other guys that's the they stole the weekend warrior and they they not only stole it like they they stole in a really weird way those guys are not ai those guys are real and something tells me they knew what they were doing

yeah yeah i uh so they're actually based out of rochester supposedly like i head on over i make i won't know so i'm right and they're supposed to be like a fitnessy kind of related clothing company how if that was true like i am extremely deep into the powerlifting community i'm dabbling in the strongman community i know bodybuilders i. I don't really know. I mean, well, even the even the even the powerlifting gym that I'm like, friends with, like they have CrossFit there too. So like, for me to have never heard of this company whatsoever. And they're based out of Rochester, New York, where I live. And they're supposedly have 80,000 real followers. Dude, they got to be buying bots left and right. Because that's just bullshit. Because I specifically looked at who's following them. i'm friends with like at least you know 500 local

community lifters or people that are in fitness in my hometown and like three people follow them so like there's no way that they're like a legit like there's no way they're an 80 000 follower company like they would have a bigger local presence if those were real people in other words do you know who keith is like did you just pull it do you know who i am on this podcast in the i'm teasing yeah in the in the in the small lifting community of my city that i've been a part of for a decade yeah like i would know who they are so i just found that very very kinky um and tanner did share with me hinky oh okay not not not kinky i swear you said kinky yeah yeah pinky hinky kinky

is all the same janky but but but tanner did show me a screenshot of like he did reach out to him uh the tango charlie when they did say oh sorry we we weren't aware of you or something to that extent and then tanner was kind of like okay well now that you are what are you going to do about it and it's just you know left on red so i don't think they're going to respond and they just started locking all their posts after that so i'm excited i mean as whatever if they want to like actually do do right by good for them and you know we won't even talk about it next week but i'm really excited for a few days to go by when they when tanner and tommy record next week if it hasn't been resolved yet they're gonna really lay into them i bet so that'll be a fun lesson

because i don't know it is not it's like it's like it's it's it's like borderline bullying but it's not because like you know you fucked up it's just right you called out on it yeah like yeah it's nice to get up. It's kind of fun to be part of the mob mentality when you're actually doing something for good, for right. You're protecting your friends. I get a kick out of that. Enough

about those scumbags. I guess some sad news. Rest in peace, Toby Keith. Rest in peace, Mr. Toby Keith. That was a hard one. Rest in peace, Toby Keith. Rest in peace, Mr. Toby Keith. That was a hard one. Rest in peace, Toby Keith. Yep, you nailed it. Yeah. Mike Tyson. Yeah, yeah. It's a rough one tonight.

But no, that one hit hard. I think I said it on somewhere or I think I commented like, you know, celebrity death every month, but that was, that one that one hit hard. That was one of my first, like, you know, so there's a celebrity death every month, but that was, man, that wouldn't, that wouldn't hit hard. That was, uh, one of my first, like, I remember like actually having, having, uh, like a cassette tape or something and like actually having his music as a kid and like replaying a couple

of those CDs or cassettes, you know, it was just, he was a very instrumental part of my music listening for like a decade from like, you know, early nineties to early two thousands kind of thing. So that was very sad so what was it it was cancer uh yeah which cancer it was uh stomach yeah i believe i don't yeah and seeing some pictures of him in his like more recent pictures too it was pretty sad just how like small of a man small small of a man he had gotten to be uh but yeah that was tough uh any thoughts joey as our local musician fan no um i i'm not uh typically a toby keith fan for me he falls into the um the new era of

country that i don't necessarily enjoy yeah that's not to say you know i love this bar wasn't a good song um but it toby keith is just never in that realm of country that I reached out for. So I don't have a lot of thoughts on that one. His early stuff, I feel, was a little like there was like a like a five year period. It was a two or three albums before he, you know, the early 2000s when he started like driving around. I think whatever the one where it was like had a yellow Hummer on like the, in the video or on the album. I was like, all right,

I kind of distanced myself a little bit from him from them, but his, his really early stuff, I definitely enjoyed. Sorry to cut you off there. And for me to like, know the name, obviously I know who he is.

He's iconic to country music. It's not to say that, you know, I don't like Toby Keith. It just isn't on my radar, but I do appreciate obviously the impact he's had on a lot of people in the crew and in country music. Good.

All right. What else we got? Did anybody get a chance to watch the Masonomics YouTube video? I tried. The bars? Yeah, the barbell one. I thought that was pretty,

what did you get? It was pretty entertaining and informative. You're a, you're a big home gym barbell fan. So did anything, anything stick out to anything stick out to you of like, oh, that's a bar I don't have. Maybe I should get that or anything like that? Well, I know I don't have any Olympic lifting bars for sure. That's true. I don't have many of those lifts.

I started, before I started powerlifting, I was doing a little more strongman, kind of a gym bro lifts. man uh kind of a gym bro lifts and i would do clean and press things like that but nothing like clean and jerk or uh strict um technique technical lifts like you know olympic lifts so but that's the that's the one thing that i definitely saw i didn't watch the whole video all the way through either so i got about three quarters of the way through and i was had to go pick up my kids and stuff so sometimes i gotta cut them short that's three quarters more than 90 of our guests and sometimes my co-hosts ever get i'm basically the running trend is i i've i watch 99.9 of the youtube videos with i think last week actually maybe being the exception because it was just uh it was snippets of the chicken bake podcast basically like all right i

i don't need to watch this one sorry guys like i i listen to the podcast twice pretty much so i'm good uh but yeah i pretty much consume all that and in the driving force i'm talking about that but uh i'm still in general though have you been able to have you caught a handful of their stuff over the last year or so since i mean they've had to be popping up on your youtube feed significantly more now than they did in you know 22 sure sure no i definitely click on them and watch a good portion of them every week. Awesome.

I feel like even though being part of the original crew, it's hard to stay up with all the things that change us. And it's almost like you feel like, did I miss something? What's going on here? It's something that's like from 56 episodes ago that maybe that particular one, I was tuned out or whatever. i just didn't quite pick up on whatever the joke was

and then that joke reoccurs i'm like i don't even know what the world's going on so i tend to want to listen very very carefully to everything so i can retain all the inside jokes and all the different puns and stuff so that that makes me so happy i have definitely been guilty of like i mean i'm extremely like this is like my you know it's like definitely been guilty of like i mean i'm extremely like this is like my you know it's like one of like the three things that i'm like obsessed about essentially is like massonomics and massonomics world stuff and like i'll catch myself sometimes being like i don't know what the fuck they're talking about and then i'll get kind of drugged by people they're like how do how do you not know what we're talking about you of all people i don't

i don't how did i miss that the same. Like you miss it one week and then you just glaze over it the next time you hear it. And it just doesn't, I don't know. It just doesn't register. It's that in fact, the culture, the mass economics culture is built around just idiotic puns that can blossom from, you know, right now. And then all of a sudden it's something really,

really big and we're all having fun with it. I mean, it doesn't have to be something that was thought out or scripted or anything like that. That's the beauty of it. It's just things just happen and you're like, wow, that really can build a big following because everybody can get on board, have a similar. Absolutely. I did. So I left work early today because I have not been feeling good.

So I spent most of my day napping on the couch or on in the bed. So when the, when it launched, I thought, okay, I'm going to watch this so I can be prepared for tonight's recording. Um, and then my daughter, like I said, two years old, she decides she's got my phone and she's watching a video on it. So she comes in and she lays on my chest and she's holding the phone up as she's laying on my chest. Doesn't she drop the phone on her face while I'm trying to watch the Massanomics YouTube video? So naturally, everything got put on hold because of a screaming kid who's now betrayed by the phone in her hand. Yeah, so I did not get all the way through it, but I did get to have a good laugh. yeah so i did not get all the way through it but i did get to have a good laugh and as she goes crying to my wife morgan goes what's what happened what's the matter and i'm

like well somebody was laying on her back holding the phone above her face and well gravity took hold and then that got us both in a laughing fit which is not nice to my daughter but at the same time you live you learn kid yep i did that so many times my wife was like yeah you get a pop socket basically you hold your fingers with the back i had a pop socket yeah i have a pop socket for that reason now just because i got sick and i got sick of my finger having an indent resting the phone on my pinky finger while i hold it yeah i had a pop socket for probably a good year or so and i've recently gotten a uh an AI recorder for the back of my phone. So when I'm on business phone calls, it will actually record and then give you a summary of what I was talking about and kind of action items and really some cool stuff.

It helps with meetings. We did a big presentation the other day with a new partnership that I've got. I took this. It's called the Plod AI or Plod Note. that i've got i took this uh it's called the plod ai or plod note um and it's just it attaches magnetically to the back of the to the phone and it picks up any of the the sound in the room and then it'll send it to chad gbt for summary and transcripts and uh my maps and things like that so it's pretty cool that is crazy that's insane like it gives you cliff notes of your own conversation or even like more verbatim than even cliff notes.

That's got to be pretty valuable. There's like, especially if you're, you know, there's times I even know, like, I mean, just doing this, you know, we'll record for two hours. And like, I'm trying to think the next week because I like to put up like some poll questions when people listen to it just so they can like kind of vote on stuff. And I'm like, what the hell did we talk about? So then I'll have to go back and like reference our show notes and then i'm like i know we talked about so much more funny stuff than this but i can't remember it unless i you know invest another two hours a week to listen to the podcast it's like the only time i can it's the only way i feel like i can even interact uh with the people that are freshly listening to it because like it's been a week man i don't i don't know. I know. One of the Daves was like, Joe, are you talking about this?

And I was like, I don't know. Was I? That was a week ago, dude. I don't remember that conversation. Yeah, that's what I try to use it for when I can just because I don't want to be sitting there recording a phone call

or a conversation I have. But if I'm sitting there having a pretty lengthy business conversation, it could be a lot of aspects that are going on there that I'm not picking up on. And this thing picks it up, translates it. I can read it two hours later after the meeting go, I had no idea that's what they were talking about.

And it just makes sense now. And I can even ask questions against it and stuff like that. So it's pretty cool. We're going to get lucky, I think, because Apple is going to start transcribing for us. So we will have transcriptions after we post. And then eventually, I think Apple is also going to help us upload to YouTube.

Oh, you mean in the podcast. I thought you meant like we, like all humans, are going to get their stuff transcribed. Yeah, at first I thought you were talking about like iPhone or something. Like in general? No, I was talking about just the podcast transcriptions. Yeah. I know I get some text messages from

Apple. I have Android, so don't kill me if you're Apple people. But I'll get text messages through iPhone to my Android. It'll actually have an option to transcribe it. I'm like, heck yeah. I'll just sit there and read that. Not transcribe it, but it'll turn it'll just read that you know how i'll not transcribe it but it'll like turn into audio oh i gotcha okay so yeah voice to text or text

the voice or whatever yeah that's dope which is funny because like when i get a voicemail i don't want to listen to it i just want to hell no script of it hell no what are the what are the bullet points from this when this uh if you phone me and you get my voicemail it's literally me going it is 2023 don't leave a message just text me and i'll call voicemail, it's literally me going, it is 2023. Don't leave a message. Just text me and I'll call you back. I'm not going to listen to this. Telling you that right now.

Half the time it's, it's like, yeah. Hi, we have a great deal for you from this furniture company. Who the fuck are you? Hit me off your list. Yep. I get scammers all the time. you? Hit me off your list. Yep.

I get scammers all the time, and I have fun with them, too. They call me up. The wife and I typically were like, hold on. Let's get this, and we'll answer it, and they'll start asking us for car insurance or whatever it is or extended warranty, and we'll say we have

a 2002 horse and buggy or a 1901 space shuttle or whatever, anything stupid. And they end up hanging out because they're like, I'm going to waste my time with this. So up here we get that our social insurance number has been compromised. And in order to avoid arrest, we need to get on the phone and talk to somebody. So I'll get on the phone and I'll pick it up as Christopher walk-in or I'll pick it up as Bane, or I'll just start doing like silly voices. I'll tell them my, yeah, all the time.

My postal code is L L O L O L O. Right. And then they're Googling it as their chat and then a nice dry buddy and they hang up on me. So, but I've also learned that the more you pick up, the more that gets you auto dialed again. So I just, I just believe. And this, this will be a perfect example of Canadian versus American lingo because Joey just said social insurance,

social insurance number. What'd you, what would you call it? Yeah. You guys have a social security number, I think. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. We call it security. They call it insurance. Interesting. Yeah. Ours is a sin card interesting yeah you never give it out ever ever ever up here in canada yeah never you'd never give that to anybody and if somebody asks for it you slap them in the mouth right so like doing doing

my job or do credit checks and things like that and you know i generally go ahead i was just to say if you just want to go ahead put it in the chat for me nice that was good that was that was good yeah normally uh and like doing my job we do credit checks and stuff so if somebody doesn't have the proper stuff i will say to them like i can accept your social insurance number but i don't want to hear it or see it and i will turn my computer around and allow them to type it because it is just like, it's just one of those things that you just don't, you don't give out talk about.

Right. So, and people go, yeah, here's my card. I'm like, don't get your card out in public. Are you insane?

Oh, wow. Mine's mine's been in a safe for like 25 years. I don't think I've, I don't think I've even looked at it outside of maybe going to go get like a passport or something like renewed. Maybe I don't even i've i don't think i haven't looked at it outside i may be going to go get like a passport or something like renewed maybe i don't even know yeah uh so we got a little bit of home gym con update not really but there is a chance massonomics will be at home gym con uh

i'm not sure j are you familiar with home gym con james i'm not really no so it's basically like comic con for home gym equipment uh like similar to like the arnold like a small like a significantly smaller arnold but like every booth is gym equipment uh and it's uh it's in french lake indiana so it's kind of a it's a it's a decent size convention hall for what it is it's in the middle of nowhere so it's kind of a pain in the butt to get to depending on you know where you're coming from but you know it's cost effective so it kind of what it is but uh i went last year and i blast i'm going back this year and i you know there's a cost effective. So it kind of is what it is. But I went last year and a blast. I'm going back this year and I, you know, there's a small chance massonomics make, make an appearance,

which would be awesome. But you know, they had mentioned that on last week's episode, so we'll see. So I'm, yeah, that sounds like it'd be good for them. Yeah. I think they'd be able to get great content, even if literally, I mean, there's a, there's a few big names typically there too. So they can, they could knock out a couple interviews. They could take care of podcasts. They could get a ton of YouTube content. They could probably get three or four videos

out of it. I would think it would be awesome. Go set up a booth and sell? Yeah, that's... Well, I think they want to fly in for this one, just because it would be... I don't know how many shirts they would sell there versus the amount of money it would be a you know i don't know how many people i don't know how many shirts they would sell there versus you know the the amount of money would cost them to get there

versus what they would actually make because it's such a smaller crowd but just the exposure they would get to like all these new people and just i think it'd be more of a four they can just get their bodies there yeah yeah i think it'd be a better for content and they could always have said i i even mentioned to him when i saw him at crew falls meetup is a like literally just like try to partner with someone to have them just sell your drink spotters there and let them deal with it all and even if you give them all the profits you're at least getting your stuff out there so who knows what they're going to do with that but i'm uh i'll be watching tanner and tommy closely to see if uh you know because that would because i'm not going to make it the arnold this year uh so that's like one less opportunity i have to like

spend time with my, my crew friends. But there's, I think even, even without, even with massomics doesn't show up, there's at least six or seven of us that are, will be at French Lake.

So, you know, that'll be cool on its own. But we'll see. And then did you have any followup on the tattoo talk, Joey? Are we going to, yeah,

I did say I would break that this week, didn't I? And so in the middle of recording last week i kind of mentioned that sometimes in the middle of recording i just get it's so weird how it's always timed that i get big news while i'm recording this podcast uh so i can confirm that the most recent massonomics tattoo is indeed big dan bell he did get his arm tattooed he got the massonomics m on his bicep uh he sent me a photo confirmed and tanner confirmed i was allowed to be the one to uh to announce it uh so i was the last person and now dan is the most recent person so i think that makes a total of six

massonomics tattoos out there no and that'd been like a year of yours when did you get yours whenever the last patch went out so yeah it had to have been about a year yeah it definitely wasn't like and you definitely had it at actually almost exactly a year yeah i had it at the arnold of last year so yeah if you had it at the arnold it's been a year already. So that's pretty cool. But Dan has not showed it, right? Yeah, he's been like,

I've been busting because like I was pretty sure it was Dan from some hints Tanner gave. So then I was just like, so then I just ran with it, not knowing if it's true or not. So it's like for, you know,

and Dan didn't post lifting stuff for the longest time. So then I got on his page a couple, you know, anytime he would post something, I would be like, when we're going to see

that Masonomics tattoo and he just doesn't acknowledge it, but it gets a randomly gets a bunch of likes from like, you know, other Mason would post something, I would be like, when are we going to see that Masonomics tattoo? And he just doesn't acknowledge it. But it gets, it randomly gets a bunch of likes from like, you know, other Masonomics people and stuff. But I don't know why he's being so ambiguous about it, but it's, you know, it's his own body. I guess he can do what he wants with it. But I'm curious of why he hasn't posted anything about it.

Yeah, I fully sent him just like, hey, did you get a Masonomics tattoo? And then like two months later, while i'm recording last week he goes yeah i did and that's when i get that's when i was like what now is when you choose to send that message so he's on his his right arm with the flag uh his left arm doesn't have a lot of stuff on it yeah it's gotta be yeah okay because he sent it to me. I can only watch it once. He definitely sent this picture.

It has to be his right arm. He sent this picture. It's about right here. I think he pretty much got sleeves. He essentially got sleeves almost in the last year or so. I think he got several tattoos. That's pretty cool. What's funny

is the couple other funny is like the couple other people like the dude that got the first lift tattoo like I don't even see even in discord yeah he got the lift logo on his thigh where the shorts would be but it's like I don't wasn't Mary was first wasn't she

I think yeah probably what I imagine yeah so outside of an ankle or wrist was the first one? Yeah, I think that was Mary. It was Tanner's wife. So outside of family members, it was that person. Now, I think that person

has since joined Discord, but probably isn't very active. That's what I'm saying. It's just like, to have someone have a tattoo of Mastanomics and then not be as deep as the rest of... Not be as deep as like the rest of like not as deep as one could possibly be meaning like they are in the discord at least a couple times a week talking they're friends with like 100 people on instagram and everyone knows them and like

you know that's just it i i find that yeah not even not not even a negative it's just like i guess it just shows to show how busy people's lives are too like it'll be like like you know will this be such a big part of my life in three or four years i don't know maybe but i could see that being the same with other people so tattoos are funny like that i guess in all fairness my skin might not be a part of my life in three to ten years so like what do you do take it with you? Yeah. I'm going to jump to the next one. Sorry to interrupt. But as I was packing my cooler for tonight,

I found my Valentine's Day present that has been sitting on top of my cooler for a week. And I finally said to Morgan, like, you got to move that because I'm just going to open it. And she went, nah, go ahead, open it on the podcast. So we're going to see my Valentine's Day present as we go. We are waiting on a What's in the sack segment um yeah sometimes crossing international borders takes a little extra so you've been sitting on yours for 10 days yeah it's just like oh

every now and then some of our some of our friends and fellow crew will send us shit to open up on our podcast similar to what they do um so that's not necessarily what Joey's doing. Joey's opening up his wife's sack, but we'll see what we got. My wife's sack. I was debating on saying it or not, but I was like, I'll let her fly. I don't know what this is,

but it says, shit, bitch, you is mine. Okay. I guess my wife wanted to give me... i guess it's a flag because it's got like a little like a flag thing here so shit bitch you is mine okay not mine what is it fine oh damn so she's calling you pretty so she's flirting with you with her little banner i am pretty okay uh okay so this is the one i think that she wanted me to open on the podcast that one was some filler so these are socks and it says honky

valentine's day and it says uh i love you and it has a goose surrounded in hearts so it's a silly goose time so thank you honey She knows I like my silly socks. So there you go. You guys got to experience my Valentine's Day present because I will be traveling for Valentine's next week. Exclusive reveal. Exclusive reveal. Yeah, I will be traveling. So I will not have access to my wife and kids.

So anyone excited for the live recording, which sometimes we'll post in Discord, it'll pretty much be the day this one comes out we're recording another episode next tuesday so uh we got a short turnaround on getting prepped for joey's episode next week uh not this joey the other joey but yes yeah other big joey yeah other big one of one of the joey's um let's see okay i think we're let's do the uh so we're gonna move into our segment right here, James, where we rate last week's episode. So last week's episode was with Big Curtis, the Kurt Locker. So I guess I'll kick it off. I enjoyed it. I'm friends with Kurt. I've met him at

the Arnold and at Home Gym Con last year. So I've had a decent amount of rapport with him. It's always cool when they get people I know, like actual people I consider a friend, like someone I've either... Technically, I consider people I haven't met in person friends as well, but

people that I legitimately have had dinner with and stuff, it's always cool to hear them on the podcast. So that's just an extra level of fun for me. So for all those reasons and the fact I did hint at maybe coming to home gym con, I'm going to go ahead and give it five out of five Mastodonics Jim iPod touches. What about you, Big James?

So I don't actually know Kurt at all. This is kind of one of my first exposures to him, but I liked it. It was pretty knowledgeable and obviously the military acronyms were pretty funny. I can relate to those a lot. I'm going to go ahead and do five Mastodonics gym iPod touches. Nice. Good score. Good score. We'll have Kevin tally

all those up for us. We got a guy that he should be keeping a spreadsheet for us. At one point he told us he was. I know he's since had some kids and I don't know. We'll see if he's still keeping his word on that. What about you, Joey? What do you think of Kurt? Uh, good episode. Uh, happy to get through it really quickly. Uh, I'm on the train of listening to things at 1.5 speeds. Um, so I don't know if you know, yeah, Kurt is a lot faster than most. So Tanner's a very slow cadence. Tommy has a very,

um, bounced cadence. So when you're listening to things at 1.5, Tanner's a very slow cadence. Tommy has a very bounced cadence. So when you're listening to things at 1.5, Tanner's pretty static. Tommy goes from very slow to very fast very quickly. I could see that. Yeah. And Kurt is just fast. He was just fast. It was really funny.

It was like a chipmunk fast. I was nosing him on one speed. I was nosing him kind of going up and down yeah that was odd because i hit stuff on my phone to make it speed up he's a very intense man in person as well so that's excited passionate about what he's always very wired so i gonna have to go ahead and give that one I feel like I give things five all the time. So today I'm going to go a little different and give this one five

Masonomics iPod Touches. Nice. Gotta love it. Nice. Alright, Mr. I keep going back and forth. For this episode, would you prefer Swimhack, James? Big James.

Alright, Big James. Are you comfortable prefer Swimhack, James? What do you want? Big James. Big James, all right. All right, Big James. Well, are you comfortable doing a little Masonomics sponsor read? Anything you wanted to share about Masonomics with our listeners? Well, I have to say that I like the fact that the discount code has really lined my pockets, and I'm hoping that it'll continue to take away from the the massonomics uh empire and help make me rich as well love it but I don't have a specific ad read but I could definitely read whatever I need to

well yeah massonomics is our main and only paid sponsor. Everybody else we have affiliate codes with, but they do finance the entire podcast and the hosting. So podcast, website, all the rest, massnomics.com slash join and get in on the crew because I think the line in the peak gravel came

this week to get on the next. It's definitely ending, I hope. To get the next join. well yeah we're over 400 now which is crazy i think when someone actually hit the bot it was 406 i was like oh damn it i wish someone hit it like one sooner so it was like 405 like that would have been a cool like we actively have 405 sporting members like that would have been a cool thing well we hit four we hit the 400 and then somebody joined immediately after at 401 and they were like oh they got kind of sad they were like i missed it i was like yeah a little all right well i think it's uh we got all these lucky

lures on here on the live zoom we can kick out and try to get our big guest our our uh our guest james on the horn uh so let's see if we can do that what's up guys hey welcome to unpaid and underrated you are live we're gonna just jump right into it like we don't want to miss any gold we don't want to we don't want to talk bullshit for 45 minutes we want to just jump right into interviewing our guest all right so the i did a little bit of a video today on our instagram and it's been doing pretty well where i asked people specifically like what are some of your favorite moments from the last 40 episodes and i think one of the common answers that we got was people really like to hear what brought you specifically to massonomics that was a very common answer is hearing everybody's

silly goose origin story so um so yeah tell us about like how you found them how they found you and and exactly how this relationship has been fostered so if i remember correctly it was at the animal cage at the arnold one year uh they were just coming in and doing interviews and they knew who i was i had a little bit of an inkling of who Mastanomics was because I think I heard it a little bit here and there on Instagram and whatnot. And when they came over and did the interview in the cage, I got to get a little, know a little bit more about the guys. And at that point I was like, okay, these guys are really legit. They got a whole business plan out. The brand is just unique and different. The podcast was unique, obviously.

It really is the podcast about nothing, but I enjoy every minute of it. I enjoy the puns, the inside jokes, all the things that even with the old Slim Jim marketing, you pay really good money to get that type of branding. For us to have that organ of branding and for us to kind of have that organically is a very unique thing uh so just seeing that and getting on board with that i wanted to support those guys from from the very beginning and likewise so that worked out really well for me because uh they could send me some cool shirts i did not mind repping that for them uh flags in the gym and it really makes the whole gym just come together

so okay it's that simple it is a status symbol and and you know um you know aside from some of that kind of joke i have i think it was like it was mini action last week that was like are you over 35 have disposable income and like to lift in your garage well you're probably listening to massonomics around paid or underrated. And I think that was pretty funny, but I want to touch on something that you said there. And I think you're the first person to bring that up. The Slim Jim thing. Yeah.

It's been so long since I've heard about that. Can you expand a little bit on that? Because I think that there are some people that are listening right now that have no clue. And even only I'm vaguely aware of it. So I'm probably going to butcher this, but a few years back, Slim Jim was really pushing their social media marketing. And they would essentially have not just themselves as a company posting on their Instagram about what they're doing or some fancy ad or picture meme or whatever, but they would have this cult following that literally was a crew that they

didn't have to be paid. So they were definitely underpaid and we can call them interns. It was almost like the original marketing ploy where the army of trolls, if you will, the crew can do all your bidding and marketing for you and wearing all your stuff and naturally it's just i think it's a good business business plan um and then of course you know we forming friendships and these bonds and being able to to pass back and forth these plans uh build a culture in and of itself people see that and they're interested in it they get

attracted to the brand then we can introduce them to that. Oh, that's kind of cool. It's a beer, beer parodies. No. Okay. Lifting. Okay. Two things that go together.

And even like myself, I'm not a huge beer drinker, but I will rep these flags and all these logos to the end of the earth. And people, you know, sometimes have to be careful, obviously, like I can't go to school with like a, it looks clearly like a coors light shirt so i typically i'm reserved on some of those uh and when going to the schools and things like that just to not be like oh promote alcohol but the underneath uh message is is pretty fun and it really does represent you can be a serious lifter you can be a novice lifter but we can all just have fun with this so i really like that message uh and and if i recall i think there was a brief time

where we were tagging slim jim in a lot of massonomics posts to try and get them to come over and join us and i wonder if it's time to start doing that again. I don't see why not. Something's going to work. Yeah, Slim Jim, they're going to back out of WWE. Let's bring them over to Massanomics. Let's back the horse that's not going to fail. Right? Yeah, it's definitely true.

There was a quote I saw recently, somebody said, um, that, um, in order you, you can't become the person that you want to be. You need to cultivate the garden that brings the things to you that you want. And I think that that's kind of what massonomics did. And I think that that like, just by being themselves, man, they brought us all in and we're all just here to have fun and so if you get a chance go check out that reel and just see all of the shared experiences that we're all having from former guests of this podcast you know future guests of this podcast just people that have had so much fun doing this with us it's all because of what they've done there. So thank you for that. Well, yeah, it's not every podcast that has a podcast about them either, where they literally interview that podcast supporting members. So when did you – because I – so basically I reached out to you maybe a month or so ago, I think, when a couple – I put up who's everyone want to see in 2024 as a podcast guest. And your name came up a few times so i reached out and you graciously accepted pretty much immediately uh when i you know when i you know offered you a spot to be on the episode uh but just like at that point you were probably like who the hell is this unpaid and underrated account like i mean had you heard

about us on the other podcast and just kind of like uh oh yeah absolutely i mean it wasn't you weren't a stranger anything like that i knew exactly what was going on. Perfect. So, yeah. Because sometimes it's daunting. It's like just randomly texting people or DMing people. It's like, oh, God. At least people knowing of us a little bit definitely makes it easier. And I think the longer we keep this going, the easier we'll keep getting some bigger names on too, hopefully.

So I really appreciate you being here. So, I mean, this is why we're here this is fun for us this is you're our more or less our 40th interview give or take a couple draft episodes some solo episodes so uh you know we've legitimately had over because so-called 36 37 like just legitimate interviews of you sure and i well i mean it could be like 174 i really don't know we lost count a long time ago yeah whatever the sister whatever the sister podcast on we're one more ahead of them you know and just in and just a brief eight or nine months that we've been doing this but uh i don't know it's just as someone kind of like because you are you know you're

you're you know you're you're you're massing on my crew but then like you're you're not overly active in the discord i don't see you there too often. So it's just like, I don't, sometimes for me, it's like, if I don't see people in the discord, I'm like, well, do they even know? Like, do they get it? Like they know who we are. So it's just, uh, it's, it's cool to know that we're still kind of like, you know, showing up people's radar, even if they're not really on every level of the mass nomics, you know,

train that we all are. All right. So moving on from whatever you're talking about uh where do we find you so we can find you easily on instagram because we've called you you've called we've called you by your handle a couple times so just tell us where we can find you so i'm on facebook uh swim hack power lifter uh i normally reserve like the the families, the personal account for the family and friends, or really, really close friends. But I have Swimhack Powerlifter as a page, Swimhack on Instagram, Swimhack on YouTube. I do have a Twitter or slash X, but I never really use it at all. In fact, it's an old football account that I use called QB Through It.

at all. In fact, it's an old football account that I use called QB through it. I honestly don't even know if I have SwimHack on Twitter that's functional. It's just one more thing to operate and I don't want to have more than a few. There's got to be a return, right? There's got to be an ROI

on that social media and X right now, ain't it? I used to be very active on X and I deleted it pretty recently and I don't think I've missed it for a single second. Yeah. Also I have a, my own website, benchonly.com, which has a link to all my socials. So if any of those are, didn't come through or for whatever reason, you can check out the website and got all the ways to contact me on there. All right. So that's the one we'll put in the show notes so that we can make sure everybody can contact you.

We also share a couple affiliate codes, don't we? Do you have some affiliate codes you want to put out there? Yeah. Let me pull up what I have. I know I have big swim hack for sure. That's the mass dynamics one. We'll talk about how much that's going to save you.

69%, right? 69%. We can go with that. Alright, where are we at? There we go. By the way, that's the first time anybody has talked about having a Masonomics

affiliate code. And I didn't know. I didn't know those actually existed. I think there's a couple out there. Can I use those all the time? Or are those first use only? As far as I know, you should go use it anytime.

Well, you heard it here, folks. Take that, Tanner's wallet. Get it, get it, get it. I accidentally used a returning customer because I had something in my, my chat, my cart.

And then I just kind of like sat on it for a couple of days and then it just got like an automated email from them. And then it was like, yeah, you hear, use this to get another 5% off. And I like, I did it and I was just like,

Oh, I kind of feel like a dick doing that. So especially like as much as they give us, but yeah, you know, definitely help. Honestly, never.

Now please use mine, but I personally have never used a promo code with Massonomics. I've always just said, you know what, I'm going to pay full price. And they've sent me some pretty good ones. Significant ones, let's just put it that way. And I went in there and I was like, nope, no way. Not going to happen.

Plus, I'd rather have the screenshot that showed I paid the most. Because that's what's important, right? That's what I have to do. We appreciate you taking care of them like that. Most people would kind of work the system like that,

which I kind of did myself. Not my proudest moment. Sorry, I think I cut you off. We have City Ammonia, Barbell Rescue, off. So we have what do we have? We have Obsidian Ammonia, Barbell Rescue, Home Gym Con, and what am I missing? Plate Snacks.

So those are our... Use on page for any of those you guys want. And then, you know... But yeah, let's see what else we got. So you are a... Are you currently a web designer by trade? Or you're a jackal? I feel like I'm trying to get a handle on what your current activity of day-to-day work was.

It was very difficult. So share as little or as much as you want about your current work. I know you had a business or something, I believe, right? So I have a website that I created, beyondbingepress.com. And you can read all about all of my philanthropy work, my volunteer work, businesses that I'm partnered up with right now, my AI consulting. I'm an AI consultant because I'm essentially an AI expert when it comes to LLMs and all the data mining and just the machine languages. I've been a programmer for years. So web design is my bread and butter. i've been a programmer for years so web design is

is my bread and butter i've been doing that for 20 years that's what honestly kind of just pays the bills and has for a long time it allows me to lift honestly but i've started a recent partnership where we do ai smart detection through security cameras. So if somebody's like hanging out with a gun outside of the school or building or warehouse, whatever, or fire breaks out, crowds are forming, all these different things can be picked up in the analytics. And we sell that to companies, school systems, anywhere that's needing security. And that is a huge, huge industry. We're basically a startup.

And that was called jjp solutions and uh working with a lot of big uh energy providers things like that so that's that's going to be probably taken off here pretty soon a lot bigger than faster than we expect um but that's probably my daily um energy goes to that more than the website, even right now, even though I obviously have websites that I'm building and coding out, working on software and stuff like that. So, but other than that, that's the two main things I got going on right now. That's awesome.

So did your, you know, years of being a, you know, a pretty rowdy youth, do you think you would have gotten caught by your own AI if you were a kid today? Oh, we have so many stories. Yeah, I did. I did. Your wife and your mother both shared a couple of very similar stories that we

will get into. I was just, I was, we, we, we, we don't have to get into it now. It was just more of a, it was, it was a funny segue of like, you know, I try to always get one or two good, good segues in a week when I can, because it's so hard to just like, I don't know, even, even doing this for 40 weeks or yeah, 40 weeks is still like, how the hell do you do a podcast again?

It's like, I mean, yeah, that one's in there. I would only talk about what you're willing to share. That one was in there. The FBI showing up um for something and scaring yeah scaring all of your superiors we have a one here of you um possibly running from the police or perhaps motorcycling away from them yeah oh yeah okay

is there any specific one that's kind of funny that you wanted to share in somewhat detail don't don't feel don't feel like you do it but like i said this is a comedy podcast if any of them actually ended amusing you know feel free but if any of them are actually like traumatic and like you know don't don't don't uh don't i don't want to dig up any negative things in your life if you don't want you know i don't know if i really say there had like a humorous ending to them uh the motorcycle on the police definitely did not uh the chair and the school uh i don't really remember back then i do remember going to the principal's office quite a bit definitely a rowdy young man uh grew up without a dad just didn't have that discipline um not to get too uh sappy here but

you know that's you need that growing up as far as what i what i'm concerned with um is that you need to have those those positive male role models in your life so i do spend a lot of time volunteering to kind of bridge that gap in school so oh that's outstanding yeah that's a big thing for me right is that healthy masculinity and stuff like that so you know that's, that's a big thing for me, right? Is that healthy masculinity and stuff like that. So, you know, that's a big thing that anybody wants to chat with us about, feel free to message me or I guess also message SwimHack, but that's a huge thing for me as well. things that you were talking about uh i i did dive a deep dive one of your personal instagram or your personal facebook and found a couple of different okay i can talk about this this and this but uh men on campus stuck out to me as a thing you were involved with so long story short when i went in as a kindergarten dad uh my wife and i walked in we wanted to be volunteers want to be pta parents uh parent teacher association so it his parents and teachers are teamed up to

essentially provide the the kids the best advocacy and just be able to provide for the school sometimes you know financially or just their time and so I noticed there was a big lack of dads or fathers coming up and just, I felt like, yeah, I want to be there for my own kids. I didn't have that growing up. So I did, I did that for probably two years by myself at this one campus and noticed that the dads just didn't want to.

And I'm like, well, what's going on? Like, I know you care for your kids. Like, and I need you. Why are you not coming up?

Well, I'm too busy. Well, I'm busy too, but I'm making this a priority. So now I've made it my mission to, to promote that engagement and um going into about 67 schools here in this local area we have a big district about 90 000 kids and um most of the schools now have a watchdogs program but

when i first started there was maybe a handful that had it and i made it my mission that every school out here would have have one and by going into these principal offices and kind of introducing myself and getting in there a lot of them would kind of slam the door on me because they were like who's this random guy that's trying to sell his program or whatever it is which i wasn't selling it was all for free um so instead of going in there like with a personal brand i had to kind of create almost like an image uh okay it's called men on campus this is what we're doing get them comfortable with it and uh now i'm pretty much working with every school out here uh to some degree uh through parent engagements stuff like that so

uh that's what basically what men on campus is. You can get more information, men on campus.com. Uh, that organization doesn't make a dime. Uh, it's not a nonprofit or anything like that. It just doesn't make any money whatsoever. It doesn't run like a business. So.

That's awesome. Appreciate it. Yeah. Joey is the, the, the dad out of the groups. I figured he'd be, I mean,

I appreciate that immensely also, but like, I know that probably hit a little closer to home for Joeyey than me yeah you know being being asked to accompany my son because my son has some um behavioral issues in school so they had a field trip and they just said hey can you come with us i was like yeah absolutely like i would love to go with my kid on your trip and just like what am i here am i here with like other kids they're like no you're only here for your kid but you know that's not how it turns out right because with you there he doesn't act like how they said he was going to he was perfectly behaved um but i was

the only dad there there was three other three other volunteers and they were all mothers and i was just like, really? Like, like this was, this was the highlight of my week. And there's the highlight of my kid's school year. And I got to be there. And like, it's just weird that dad's, I understand because I think that there's a,

this idea that like I work, I also work full time and my wife is a stay at home mom. Right. So I guess the idea would be, she would have more time to do that kind of thing than I would. But then I made time. That's just how I did that. They were like, can you come with us on this day?

And I was like, yeah, I will make sure I'm available that day. And so yeah. That's good. Definitely a thing that more dads need to do. And it's a little bit of a step uh and it's sometimes jumping off the edge of the cliff uh for some of these guys it's uncomfortable it's not normal or at least right now it's not normal uh to be in the school system or to be around and be engaged and it's almost frowned down pond uh in some circles and so i'm just using my platform,

being a big, strong guy, this rough and tough look. Hey, if I can do it and I'm cool enough to do that, it's not going to take any cool points away from you. What's your excuse? I have three different businesses and I have this and that. I have a family. I still make time. What's your excuse?

It's just advocating every day to you know if they if they see me there not just the kids but even the other dads are like why is this guy able to go into school and just hang out like i want to do that too well they start asking questions hey i see that you're up here all the time how can i also get up here so then they start coming in so it's a snowball effect it's it starts off slow typically one or two guys uh at each school and 10 years goes by and now you have 20. Uh,

it doesn't grow fast, but it's better than zero. So. Hell yeah. Anyway, that's the sappy stuff out of the way. We do like one sappy thing a week. It's usually around parenting or,

or something that I'm all about. Something not math and economics. Yeah. Yeah. There's usually around parenting or or something that i'm all about something not math and omics yeah yeah there's usually something um you go ahead geith you you choose the next topic we we ran that one no you're good um so your nickname is jp i'm assuming you're you gotta is there a middle name p or where's the p coming from in JP? James Paul. Okay, there you go. That was a simple enough one there. We've had some really funny nicknames over the years or over the, well, yeah, the years. That sounds right.

J, but JP, I didn't know if there'd be much of a story with that one. So in general, well, let's see. There's so many different directions we can go. okay. So let's ask the big overarching question that everybody has been begging us to ask. Okay. It's been on everything. Did your rat tail help you swim faster? Nice. Like,

did it work like a dorsal fin or like a rudder like was it helpful to you in your swimming career so i didn't technically have a rat so what i did is i shaved my head like super super high i got this super high and tight and i left like a mohawk for like the last inch or so and so as a swimmer it looked cool going through the water because this mohawk going on and what i ended up doing was throwing the bangs out super super long and having the back cut so it was stupid as haircut so i was jumping off the starting block one day and it like rooster tailed where the back of it was like my bangs were brushed back as a mohawk so with no hairspray anything like that coming off the starting block it was like my bangs were brushed back as a mohawk so with no hairspray

anything like that coming off the starting block it looked like a rooster that's about the only thing close to a rat tail that i had while swimming now i had i did have a rat tail when i was like um like a little boy um and i remember having like this just maybe two inch rat tail that that came down three or four inches down my neck that was the uh the style i guess so i had one too yep yep no judgment here no judgment spikes on the top rat tail on the back that was the way to do it back then yeah i definitely think i had a rat tail when i was like i don't know five business in front part of the day yeah uh so you mentioned swimming that's the you know swim hack is literally your name so i'm assuming you were you were a competitive swimmer

was just throughout high school or did you do anything in the military or in college with swimming involved so i swam extensively in high school and i did club swimming which was like outside of school i was on a extracurricular team, and we were able to compete at the state level, national level, all over the place. Even the Olympic trials for that particular swim league, you could go to the Olympics and go that whole route. I never went that far. I did pretty well, though. I was always in the national championships or right there on the podium. Um, we still try to be on a, on the podcast.

So, uh, who is a better swimmer? You or Eddie Hall? I mean, let's be real. He has a pretty big claim that he was a, a, a elite swimmer as a youth and like would have made the Olympics and blah, blah, blah. I think if I remember, I think we just need to look up the times um because we can compare actual times and then ages and really have apples and apples versus it being i could be him he could be me that kind of thing i mean he's obviously gotten the world's strongest man title so i can't take that but he also doesn't have more than a 585 inch for reps. So we want to get ugly about it.

All right. So we'll go ahead and mark that down as James is the better swimmer. And I'm not going to argue against that. All right. And possibly better venture. Well, I would say a hundred percent, a better venture.

I would not say possibly on that. I know. I just don't know who Eddie Hall is. I don't know who you're talking about. Oh, that's another running joke. Joey don't know who Eddie Hall is. I don't know who you're talking about. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's another running joke. Joey doesn't know who anyone is. Did you play any other sports as a youth, or was it just like swimming was the only thing that really caught your attention?

You seemed like you'd be like a good football or baseball player. So I played a little football my freshman year. That just honestly wasn't challenging enough for me. I was pretty good at it, you know, varsity and all that kind of stuff and had all the, the, the, the I guess the jock mentality ran its course very soon, you know, seventh, eighth, ninth grade. I was like, I'm done with this. I really don't care to be the most popular person on the field or in the gym or anything. I didn't lift weights.

We were doing a PE class one day and I had to swim eight laps before we would jump into the diving board. You know, that's where we wanted, everybody want to go to the dive well and, and play on the diving boards. But in order for it to qualify as a PE credit or PE class, you had to do some exercise that was swimming like a 200 yard freestyle or 200 yards or eight laps in the standard pool and i was always the first one out by several minutes and the p a p teacher and the swim coach took notice and was like hey uh you want to spot on the swim team and i went there's no way you're

making me wear a speedo and he's like that's all right you would be beat by the girls anyways and i went oh yeah i was like he's like yeah i got a girl right here that's all right. You wouldn't be beat by the girls anyways. And I went, oh, yeah? I was like, no. He's like, yeah. I got a girl right here that's literally coming out on the swim deck. She's about to do a 50 free, which is there and back. It's a sprint. And if she beats you, you join the team.

If you win, you can walk away if you think you're so fast. And so he knew how to challenge me, that's for sure. And being a little cocky little freshman, I was like, whatever i've had shorts or something stupid i didn't have a speedo i didn't have what i needed to swim fast i had shorts i had pockets and it caused a lot of drag what was that uh so was she out in the diving board minutes before you also or was it uh it was was it somewhat closer no she was in the diving board minutes before you also? Or was it somewhat closer? No, she was on the swim team already. She was a junior Olympian that started on the swim team. Yeah, so he put me up against the fastest girl in the state. And I'm like, oh yeah, I've never swum before in my life. And yeah, I'll beat her. She just moved her pants off me.

That's great. And then you did actually begrudgingly joined from there there on after or did you kind of you know did it take more persuasion no that was pretty much it i was like okay i'm a man of my word you know if i told you i would join because i lost uh joined and next thing i know i'm most most approved freshman you know i got some accolades and things like that and went to state and it was a natural swimmer. And so I just kept getting better and better and better. And I started to enjoy it more than like football.

And so I ended up quitting football because I was like, this is stupid. I mean, I'm going to run around hitting my head, which fast forward to 2010. I went back to football and had an NFL tryout with the Carolina Panthers and had had a free agent draft that I kind of went through with the carolina panthers and um had had a free agent uh draft uh that i kind of went through with the combines.com and uh was was looking at a pretty serious shot at the nfl uh so what was uh what what position were you trying to have for i'm gonna guess offensive guard or defense well so i was 240 pounds when this kind of wild hair struck me and i was like okay i that's that's a either fullback or a linebacker and um i knew that the stats for like the test and agility drills and stuff like that were going to be super fast for um a smaller guy so i was

like well if i go out for like defensive tackle, I would have, I would be 60 pounds underweight, but I could hit all of the agility drills with flying colors and look better essentially. And it was, you know, pay as you play kind of tryouts. And, um, I ended up going to the regional level and getting top place the first year. And then I said, all right, we'd love love your bench press test like 40 reps or something for 225 um sub four on the shuttle uh my 40 was like a four seven ish um and i was four i was 260 i think when i went and when i did that um they essentially said look you're you're undersized like we can't move you to the next level which would be the national combine um unless you're 302 pounds and i was like okay i'm 260 pounds or 250 pounds somewhere in that range i'm not gonna gain 60 pounds or 40 pounds overnight and so i was like

okay this is a waste of time and then i said well there's a serious chance that you could make a practice squad somewhere if you just do this and you'll have to come back next year and do the tryout so i took a year off and um i talked to the wife a little bit about it i was like and this is this is an actual shot at making the nfl and i was like this is not normal and i'm a swimmer i'm like i don't play football i don't really know the game very very well so i kind of faked it until i made it and i went out and played a bunch of semi-pro ball and did some other things just to kind of you know check all the boxes and get a look anywhere i could um but the next year i went out and uh did pretty much everything better and faster and i was 295 pounds oh wow uh ran a four

four six one i think it was. I have all the numbers written down. I have videos and stuff. Some of my first combines are actually on YouTube. So if you guys are listening and you're interested in checking out the YouTube channel, it's the SwimHack one. I've got a lot of my NFL combine footage on there from 2009, 2010. But, yeah, I ended up coming back for that National Combine the next year.

And that's when I picked up an agent. And Carolina Panthers started taking a liking and an interest. And they were like, you need to go get some game film if you want to be on the practice squad. Long story short, I didn't end up getting the game film that I needed. With these semi-pro teams around the area. There's the crappy footage and it wasn't a good, good competition to be able to showcase what the NFL was needing. And I got that. I was going up a pretty lofty Hill.

And the last thing, the last straw essentially was you're 30 years old. You're an old guy. We can't do anything with you. And I was like, okay, I'm about out of this. And I ended up long story short,

going to the powerlifting. Nice. So you weren't really like a competitive power lififter at that point then I was just lifting in the gym and YouTube I posted up I started being a little more on YouTube at that point I was definitely not where I was at where I'm at now um but uh my kids at the time I had my son was probably around four or five around this time. And, um, I was like, okay, he's not going to believe me if I'm benching, you know, this crazy amounts of weight. I need to put this on video or else it didn't count.

And, uh, that mentality. So I started putting these videos on YouTube and the one that I did six Oh five of 2012, just almost literally went viral, like overnight. And people were calling me out, trolling me. Next thing you know, they're like, you should really get into powerlifting and actually get the record. If that's really what you're lifting, they were calling me out, fake plates and all that stuff. I just took the bait and ended up turning the trolls' ammunition on themselves. I ended up getting into powerlifting and broke the Texas state record.

My first meet and six months later was knocking on the door at 600 pounds. It took me a good solid two years to break through 600 pounds. Cause it's just a different lift when you're chewing Jimbrow stuff and then having to actually put it to the test with pause and, and all the commands and the rest times and the competition, all that stuff. It's just a different, a different thing. So I couldn't and the competition, all that stuff. It's just a different, uh, different thing.

So. I couldn't imagine the 600 pounds on my hands. That'd be crazy. I just, Oh God, that's, that's impressive as hell. So,

uh, so power lift. The moral of the story here. So everything starts from the swimming coach challenged you. And you went from, you ain't putting me in no speedo to shaving your whole body. Pretty much. Yeah.

Yep. And then you went from to football from there and they didn't watch it. So you were like, well, screw you. I'm going to go and be amazing at power lifting, which is, it's, you know,

the joke about the shaving and all that and the speedos and all that is there but like in the reality it's just overcoming the negativity bullshit you're very good at that it sounds like you've been very good at that from the beginning that you know you have that aspect and you overcome when people tell you you can't do something or won't do something you're gonna be the best at it. Yeah, I think that's a good way to look at it. It's definitely a good way to process it. I didn't expect to process it on this podcast, but hey.

I love that. I think that's fantastic. You ain't getting me in no speedo, right? Because it's emasculating. I'm not going to do that. And now you're shaving your arms and legs to be a faster swimmer which is amazing like it's the next step to be you know the that and then you know that's all i just wanted to point that out that overcoming that kind of stuff is fantastic and it's a good that's a good way to summarize it i mean i think if i had to summarize it all all at all it's yeah you know don't tell me that i can't do something because i'm gonna figure out a way to do it. And then when I'm succeeding with it, turn around and rub your face in it just to kind of spite you.

Or even bring you along with it. Even better, even better. I'm going to bring you along. I want you to see the success and smell it and be a part of it. Then at the end of the day, I'll turn my back on you. Now, James, I do have some bad news. We can't allow you to be a financial sponsor of the Unpaid Underrated Podcast. There's no room for you right now. We can't have you on.

What? I was – the whole – does that not land? Because he'll do anything you tell him he can't do. So ha, ha, ha. It was funny. It was funny. I see what you were going for.'t do. So, ha ha ha, it was funny. It was funny. I see what you were going for. You tried reverse psychology, but you suck at it.

I see what you were doing there. I felt like he was pulling me in. Like, hey, make some donations. I've already got my card ready to go. I'm like ready to type. I'm like, oh, let me go. Joey always bursts my bubble. I'm in the middle of something.

He's over here shitting on my parade. No, I'm just asking what the hell you're talking about and then sometimes it just doesn't lay i know uh no that was fun that must be hard cheese we've we've our our relationship has grown a lot over the last nine months and our banter and but there are still sometimes like a pimple or like a weed like a goddamn hemorrhoid sometimes but no wow i just it is funny though because like you look like it'll just happen like i'll completely not register what he's talking about he'll completely not reach what i'm talking about but then at the end of the day we still you know we figured out we we we produce something at least a couple hundred

people listen to every now and then the one matters yes sir so let's see let's let's throw out let's uh we'll jump ahead a little bit we've still got a lot of time, but I want to get a little fun. You familiar with the game FMK? FMK, yes. Okay, so we'll go a little FMK. Maybe three topics and you just, you know, rank them, you know, F, marry or kill for me. So we'll go sushi, bench pressing, swimming, F, M, K. K, swimming. Okay. So kill and swimming. So bench press or sushi.

F or marry. F is bench press. Okay. Oh, wow. So you had Mary and sushi. And a sushi. That's surprising. I mean, I guess it's, I mean, yeah. Did you expect the sushi to be the F? I guess.

Well, because I, well, would your answer have been the same a couple years ago? You think? Or do you think post-medical, your medical issues with the stroke, do you think you'd still have the medical issues with the stroke do you think you'd still have the same answer yeah i think so okay so so sushi has always well the part of that's too is everyone kind of interprets the fmk as slightly different like like f i guess f is uh

i i look at it as just like a ranking like i as if someone is the lowest of low negative or it was f no no f is like for me f is number two and mary is number one but that's just because you know i don't know some people i think that's how everyone pretty much looks at it right okay let joey explain it he always he's more l he uh i would describe mary is the one that i would f over and over and over again f is the one that i would have the most fun with one shot and kill is the one that i would f over and over and over again f is the one that i would have the most fun with one shot and kill is the one that i just never have to deal with again yeah right so you know i would probably actually have the same answer as big james there because sushi is good clean

good clean food unless it's prepared improperly. So I would probably have the same answers. I don't know. I'd put benching above sushi. I like sushi, but I like benching more. Yeah, but if you were to tell me never bench again or never have sushi again, I would say well, bye-bye benching.

I actually hate benching. It's the one I have the most room to grow on, but I don't actually enjoy doing it, if I'm going to be honest with you. I think we lost James. He just hung up on us. I'm teasing. All right, so that was a little fun one. We can get a couple more questions, and then we have at least one more fun one to end with, I think. least one more fun one to end with i think uh let's see so uh one of our uh one of our supportive members wanted to know if you had any home gym lifting hacks uh as the as the swim hack any or i mean yeah that's that's all the questions were ordered but we can we can segue off to that

i don't know if this is going to be too interesting but the one thing is in order to lift in houston when it's 100 degrees and humid you got to have air conditioning you got to have some sort of now it goes both ways it could be you know it's not it never gets super cold especially if you guys are from up north um here comparatively we get maybe 30s if that but you know 30s with a windshield it's not comfortable to work out you know lift the weights even if you've got sweatpants on not for me anyways uh so having a heated uh an air conditioned gym in the garage is probably the the biggest hack if you will but i mean it's something you install no no that definitely is that is that's clutch i would say joey and i are both basement lifters i don't think joey cares if he lifted it in a

basement or garage i'm a very loyal to my basement family just because i can have a temperature controlled room without having to spend the extra you know several thousand dollars to make my garage temperature controlled so but yeah having temperature controlled is amazing i i see people out there in their garages lift lifting with like seven hoodies on and gloves and shit and like you can see the frost coming out of their mouth and i'm just like my basement's like 59 on the very coldest and that's if i like if my upstairs is like 63 or something it might be 59 in the basement so and same in the winter it's like the hottest it gets is like 75 maybe or something so like it's very you know within reasonably comfortable so i agree to that wholeheartedly climate control is important, but I also have an unfinished basement, so my climate control is very unlimited, right?

So it's also very damp down there, and every once in a while there's a dead mouse that you don't know is down there, and you're suddenly having a garage gym where I am that you'd have to trudge through that snow. You're going out there, you're shoveling to get out to the gym. I'd be fine with that shit too. Maybe just have a space heater or I'd have a wood stove in the garage. Because I do love wood stoves and smell the campfires. There's just something different about having your own space garage gym wise. I mean, I crank my doors open and

blare my music and all that and let the neighbors watch. I even have police officers that will patrol the neighborhood and they'll stop by and they'll come up and say, hey, can I get a couple reps in? And they'll figure out who I am. That's awesome. How much is your max bench? I'm like, I just did like 450 for some reps just now right before you walked up. Hey man, do you mind if I hit tomorrow And I'm like, I just did like four 50% reps just now, right before you walked up.

Hey man, do you mind if I hit, you know, hit, hit the bar? I'm like, you're going to hit four 50. And I was like,

yeah, I was doing that for reps, 10 reps, whatever. And she's like, I didn't even get it for one. And he's one of the biggest guys on the air, you know,

the police force or whatever. And it's just cool to have that kind of that notoriety in the neighborhood if you will yeah i i do miss um i i used to lift outside so uh back when you know with everything going on happened i actually installed what you would call a deadlift platform in a gravel pit in my backyard so just the driveway goes all the way to the backyard and it's just a big gravel pit and i put down three wooden blocks one for my feet and two for the weights and that's where i deadlifted that's all i did out there just deadlift and then i would carry some stones and stuff like that i miss lifting in the sun and in the snow i do um but it's also just that you can't just leave your bar like i had a tarp over my bar during snow storms like i'm surprised that thing lasted at all because it went through an

entire winter out there so yeah definitely definitely climate control yeah i'm too bougie with my equipment i mean i'm out there like scrubbing it down wiping it down you know i like to clean the gym anyways so i bought a $100 bar off the first person that would sell it to me. It definitely was not my Bells of Steel or Texas Deadlift bar or anything out there. So I don't have that aspect of it, but now I am. Now I'm like, no, put down the things that take the damp and I have the barbell rescue and all that, three-in-one.

Now I take care of my shit. But it's just something about lifting outside that's why i like my stone outside i can just pick it up and walk back and forth a bunch of times and just strongman events are just a little bit more primitive too yeah i could see how that would that would work out yeah have you ever dabbled in any strongman stuff uh my first competition before i started powerlifting was a strongman event. It was in 2012. My first power to me,

it was in 2014, uh, December. And so I did the, uh, see, it was Atlas ball or not the stones. Um,

and, um, did, uh, five 85 deadlift reps, like 18 inch, uh, off ground, and did that for reps. That was when my max deadlift was like right at 500. I'm doing a 585 for block pulls in the strongman competition.

And I'm going up against guys that can deadlift 700, 800 pounds raw. So I was looking pretty funny. And I mean, I did all right. I did like third in my, I think I did third overall, first in my weight class. But it was definitely a type of workout that I wasn't enjoying. I did not like the cardio aspect of lifting weights and having to be able to be agile with that strength. It just, it was a different type of training. I like the linear one lift.

You know, you do it fast you get it over with quick uh and it's more technical and that's in that aspect uh then i did doing the strongman events there's just too many too many ways to to get hurt or to get sore and i was like i'm looking for the easy road uh and that was powerlifting, honestly, for me. Well, that does lead us to another crew question, right? So that's two of them. That's strongman powerlifting. Is there one you would want to do, one you have done we don't know about, or one you're planning to do outside of those two, like Highland or Olympic or any of those kind of things? Nothing on the calendar, but I have dabbled with the overhead press.

I know I've got a pretty decent seated overhead press. I think I could probably have a decent shot if I started training correctly with the overhead world record. But the strongman event for it, I don't want to necessarily compete in strongman. But I kind of go in there and do a a bench only style set up where I go in there and only do overhead press just to try to take the record. But I mean, that's, that's a big number.

So that's something you just play around with, but I do have a stronger body for sure. It's something I thought about, but nothing on the books as of yet. Noted. So there will be no haggis throwing in SwimHack's future. Not that I know of.

Now is it SwimHack or SwimWack? I can't remember if it was on another podcast, maybe even on Instagram Live, but in my mind, it's an inside joke I feel like I've had. Not necessarily reciprocated, but in my head, I just remember catching some Instagram live, I believe, where you had mentioned your daughter called you Swimwack. And I was just like, oh, that's funny.

And for some reason, that just stuck out to me the last few years. So is that something that's ever brought up anymore? Or is that something that was kind of like a couple years ago and it's never been reached? Probably it might get brought up, uh, once a year. Uh, but it's definitely was more hot, uh, and funny couple of years ago.

Uh, my daughter and I have a good relationship where she will, uh, she'll tease me and just randomly, like what started at a powerlifting meet when I had like, I don't know, I was going for 700 pounds on the bar and all of a sudden I hear, go honey.

And it's like my wife. And then I hear, we, I'm like And it's like my wife. And then I hear, we, I'm like, this is my daughter. She was like, that's awesome. So I always get this like masculine voice and we go,

we, nice. So nice is one of the words too, but that's just kind of our, our lingo that we use to kind of have a little friendly banter, but it's always nice to have, you know, I say always nice. I had my daughter with me one time at the arnold um i guess the last time i got the arnold uh did a powerlifting meet took her up there with me just to kind of help handle me for the meet and

hang out just be a part of everything and uh their warm-up side was it was a 600 pound warm-up uh when i opened it was like 635 I think and I did that I had that video still on YouTube it's the recap from the Arnold so if y'all want to see this happening in the warm up room I do the 600 pounds and there's some gasp from here to there and my daughter goes

weak she's the only person in the room to say that it was funny because the whole point is for her to be like, not impressed with anything I do. She's sitting there filing her nails, spotting it out, four or five or whatever. I see a guy do the pulling.

Doesn't Larry Will stove more than that? And I'm like. That's awesome. She knows how to motivate you and light your fire, huh? That's great. Does your wife or your kids ever get out in the gym with you and take advantage of having the home gym as well? A little bit. It's less formal because I'm pretty picky about wanting to train alone.

I don't want the distraction on my kids. So I'm pretty sensitive when I say it. But if my 8-year-old is wanting to come out while I'm in the gym, I'm normally like, Hey, Daddy, I got a lot of weight. I need to focus. I'll let him kind of play around a little bit but he's not really there for the whole workout he knows to kind of stay away that's that's kind of my sanctuary uh but i also want to be a dad be like come on out hang on the left fold out and let's see if i can do some

tricep extensions with you standing on the weight plates uh you know have my daughter lift off for me and my wife or something like that uh but my wife really is a great supporter of the lifting uh she has always had been um one time this was my second or third meet that i did at the u.s uh the la fit expo um and i had i think it was 590 or something on the bar still trying to chip away at 600. And I was going up against Brandon Allen, where he did 2303 raw in sleeves. And I go to liftoff. I don't think I attempted 600. I mean, I did 590 as my top one or 589 point whatever.

And just as I'm getting the liftoff, I hear, don't be a little bitch. Just as I'm getting the lift off, I hear, don't be a little bitch. And on the video, you can see Steve Denison, the head of USPA, trying to figure out who the heck just said that. Because I've got to kick him out. Yeah, right? It's a family event, but it's the wife of the lifter that's screaming. But now I have that written on my wall in the gym that says, don't be a little bitch. So I'm wanting to give up that day or quit or just, you know,

things are getting rough. I can look at that and be like, I know who my biggest supporter is. Nice. You'll, uh, you'll appreciate that. You'll,

you might appreciate the name of my home gym. So my basement gym is called the no wine cellar. So it's kind of the same mentality of just, you know, there's, there's no room for down here. You know, it's,

it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, in the gym, it's time to go. So I can appreciate that.

Like you want your kids to see you in fitness and be strong because, you know, like I want my kids to like have a better relationship with it than I did growing up. Uh, so they should be able to see it, but at the same time, like, no, go away. Daddy's dead lifting a lot of weight and when you walk in front of me or you grab the weights or if i'm squatting and you run under me like i can't have that there so i can appreciate that level of that that i i know you kind of went past that a little bit there for a second but i can definitely appreciate that because yeah okay hey buddy come on down but like only during my accessories like not during the big lips i think one of the the most the proudest moments that i have was being able to share

the platform with my family when they were at the animal cage uh so it was a controlled environment for the most part where you had a bunch of people that could could spot me out and if something went wrong they were able to catch it. But just having them there to see the crowd going crazy. I mean, when you're in the animal cage, you're famous, essentially. And you're the man for that moment. And everybody's watching you. All the cameras are on you.

All the people are pressed up against the fence. It's just a chaotic, crazy scene. But your kids see you as that hero with the cape on. That's my superhero right now in front of me that everyone else is watching too and just sharing that moment with them is really cool because then as we're walking around the arnold after that they're like yeah look at this autograph my dad signed autographs this guy knows him he knows him from you know somewhere else in the world yeah and yes so out of touch with that now uh which opens up and not to get off on a tangent but the teaching of the social media and how to deal with trolls and how to deal with negativity and all that i see it every day and i'm the perfect role model to be able to say

okay if i'm talking to a group of kids or even my own kids you're going to get people that are going to try to pull you even if you you're the biggest, strongest guy in the room. Half the time they're coming after you because you are that person. And so just teaching them that, look, you don't have to go to a landslide of depression and life doesn't have to be horrible just because somebody's messed with you online, that you can grow a thicker skin and just kind of get through it. So, I mean, that's almost a daily thing with me is seeing comments or seeing, uh,

opinions and just not letting that get to you and let it slide off your back a little bit. So. Yeah. I mean, you've like, you've got like 80,000 followers. There's no way that there's not at least five assholes in your DMS a

week or making comments public. Just like, uh, I just, I couldn't imagine like that much more exposure you know you're gonna get that much more positivity also but like the negativity is amplified as well so yeah kudos to you for handling that better than probably most of us could or just i would just try recording this podcast once a week and then having an entire 400 people in

discord rip you apart when every episode is released we just we say one wrong i mean i do it the same thing that's hanner though anytime he says something wrong about like gym equipment like even if it's just like a brain fart or something i always bust his balls about it uh but yeah it's it's definitely not as fun well in the other when it puts on the other shoe but it's just like oh you bastards like give me a look and it's all just good ribbing but everything like we get ribbed every week versus like you know we we i give it out as much as i get it but it's all just good ribbing but everything like we get ribbed every week versus like you know we I give it out as much as I get it but it's also like

consistently getting ribbed back from the guys about something he says like are you fuckers leave us alone so let's have fun yeah um probably okay so I got I think two more we'll do the rush more we'll do we'll do the end on the mount'll do the Inland Mount Rushmore,

but just one more thing I want to touch base on is the race for YouTube first comment. That's something that you, I guess, when I first maybe even, I might have even seen you on that before I even maybe see you on Instagram because it was just like, oh, there's SwimHack again. That seemed like something you still get it on pretty regularly but there for a while i feel like you were you know did you know how many times you've won it or like how uh how regular you were at least on the podium i was on the podium well i know i got first

comment about 70 times in a row it was 75 times in a row uh for one of the uh the crew videos that we did i did like a little numerical roman union will start so i could hang it on the wall behind me and have part of that is the video be marking off one more one more one more um but yeah i mean that was obviously something that the more time you have to spend just kind of waiting around for it because you know you know what time it's going to drop every week or roughly you can be sitting around waiting for it. And as long as the internet connection was good and all the technical aspects of everything was working, then we would see a first comment. But life gets in the way and I'm not sitting there waiting. And a lot of times I'm in the middle of a meeting or driving.

I'm like, you know what? I'll get to it later. And it just kind of fell off for a while. And then I was like, okay, somebody is obviously doing a bot. It's got to be a bot. It's got to you know what i'll get to it later and it just kind of fell off for a while and then i was like okay somebody's obviously doing a bot it's got to be a bot it's got to be ai something's got to be matt you know yep yeah that's matt regular guest of this podcast yep someone uh he has he has negative second comments so like you'll hit the newest comment and his will be at like negative five seconds. Like he somehow posts before they post.

It's insane. So just for anybody out there that's technically minded and want to beat him, the YouTube video has an ID. So if you could tap into the Google API and have some software and you could probably get ChatGPT to write this. I haven't had time to do it because I've been doing other stuff. But essentially what you need to do is go to ChatGPT and say, okay, I need you to write me a program in Python or a program in PHP or something to where it'll run on Sunday evenings between this time and this time one time a second or one time every minute or whatever and check for the newest video

to be posted get that video id and then find the comments area for that video id and post to it using the google api and i think we could beat him so so matt has matt has said to us that for the price of a drink spotter he would give us what you just gave us for free. That's outstanding. Yeah. So I just gave up. All right. No, that's good.

That's great. Because, yeah, I do want to point out, I forgot about this, but the person who finally broke your streak of first comment was me. Okay.

I had messaged you on Instagram and you had said something along the lines of like, oh, I'm at a family event. I'm not sure. Or on Discord. And I messaged you. And then I was like, are you going to get first comment? And you had said to me, I don't think I'm going to get it today. Enjoy. And that was my first ever first comment.

I think it was the first time you didn't get first comment. So that was actually me that, that, that broke that streak because you were at some family event that week. Okay. That would make sense. Yeah. It basically is when I get, I get busy or like lately, my oldest son has been playing D andnd and i go pick him up at like six o'clock about my time which literally is right with the video job so i'm like on the

freeway going 90 i'm like yeah i'm not gonna i would feel a little adventurous and i'd go in there and my wife be like what are you doing i'm like i'm trying to get first comment and i'll be in the middle of driving she'd like pull over i'm like i can't like i got it and i would get in a lot but then over time it's like okay it's just not worth it like i'm okay if i don't get every single time and then it kind of after i lost a few times like okay i don't need to get it every single time it's kind of obnoxious if you're every single week yeah and so i let somebody else get obnoxious for a while yeah every time then i uh you know like last week i got first so i was like oh let me just see what's going on but i also was the type that i didn't want to

i know i'm probably the first one to do it where i put like one single letter and f and a or something and then ended it after yeah yeah i yeah i started doing that after a while but now it's just like yeah i definitely caught matt doing that i was like oh that's what he's doing a little son of a bitch so yeah i was sitting i was sitting outside no i was sitting on the couch and i distinctly remember yelling honey i got first comment she's like oh good for you and it's because i had been chatting with you and you were saying you wouldn't be able to do it i was like no it's gonna be me this time it's gonna be me this time well what's funny too is all the uh what is like the canadians get like i can't see half the

canadian comments and oh it's wild it's wild yeah we'll have six of us be arguing that we had first comment and everyone posted screenshots and i'm like i that literally like technically i won based off this picture technically he won based off that picture it's just it's really weird how just how you whenever you screenshot it is completely different so that's that's been some there's only some argument some some you know some funny you know kind of like what the fuck how did i not win or shadow banning that's what i was going for yeah i was i was shadow banned for like a month yeah i'm like you're you joey's like i got first comment i'm like posting my picture i'm like you didn't even comment what are you talking about yeah

that's so disconcerting because you're like oh I won this I got this like I actually had to get Tommy involved and I was like Tommy did you guys block me or something like what is happening I do remember that now yeah I've done that a few times where I was like I set a screenshot

over I'm like hey just curious if you guys are seeing this and like because I would see something different than they would see. You want to prove that you got it or you got podium, whatever. There's so many times when somebody's like first and they're second or third or 14th, and you realize just how quick everything can be. The podium is milliseconds sometimes. So is there going to be any uh is the swim hack youtube going to make a resurgence anytime i i think the last video

the last video was your health update wasn't it or was it i miss anything yeah uh so essentially i went from being on the top of everything to kind of falling off and that was just a rough year i don't want to anybody i don't want to tell anybody what's going on it's real personal i'm just like you know what this is sucks because you know if i'm not putting out heavy content i mean i'm familiar with the social media game if you're not the most beautiful person on on social media you're not going to get a bunch of likes if you're not putting out good heavy lifts or entertainment or something you're going to lose followers you're not gonna get a lot of likes and so i knew that was coming because i was like okay i've fallen off a little bit

but i'm also not going to ramp up things if it jeopardizes my health. So I had to back off and just had to deal with some personal junk. And it opened my eyes to a lot of things, essentially kind of starting back over, if you will, but seeing the mountain that I'm climbing from a different perspective. And when I look at 700 pounds now, it's so far in the distance, it's not even funny. But that doesn't mean it's not going to fall. It just means that I've got a little bit longer to go to get there. And, you know, if you guys have seen my MO from all my other things in my life, I'm not going to back down from a challenge. So if this makes it harder, well, you just made it easier for me because I have no more ammunition to throw at it. So, but yeah, I pretty much just took a break from all video editing

i wasn't posting anything heavy so i didn't think like it would be worth i know i have been videoing pretty much every set that i've done since i had my stroke just for the sake that i want to make sure my technique is good i'm like i'm gonna be knocked down on my butt i might as well use this to my advantage affect my technique perfect my nutrition my rest my recovery everything and start like i'm a brand new lifter again. And maybe some of the mistakes I made along the way, I could fix it and not have that problem this next time. And then when I get to that fitness level again, the health issues are not there and it's just going to be the perfect storm to do the right thing and to blow some records away. So. Well, that'd be awesome. We'll be, we'll be rooting for you. Uh, you had mentioned, uh, climbing a mountain there, I think.

So I think that'll segue into our, uh, we do, uh, you know, a little Mount Rushmore. Uh, I still can't remember if they stole it from us or we stole it from them, but we're going to do a, uh, basically just your, your top four of this genre or of this, the topic that we're going to ask you about. So the one that I picked for you this week, I'm going to go with bench press accessories and you can take that as an

accessory movement or an accessory, you know, a bench variation, if you will, however you want to take it. But a pop four of the Mount Rushmore for, you know, how to get a bigger bench, if you will. Static holds are a big one for me just because it's, it's be able to work that top strength. Triceps are obviously something that I have been naming my dog after, but triceps being a huge mover in the bench press. And honestly, I think they're the secret sauce.

If you can get triceps super, super strong and you're able to have a good bottom of your bench, you're going to be able to rocket that. bench you're gonna go to rocket that i mean julius myself td smash uh thomas davis we all have very similar benches and we're all coached by the same guy so that has a little bit to do with it but the way that we lift is just that speed uh and it's very much tricep dominated uh so it's it's like a piston so i would definitely go with overhead i'm sorry um heavy holds heavy holds static holds um now what's like a time frame like okay so you you literally you self-unrack like what like 100 pounds like well so like like 10 more than your max or

something or is it kind of do you do you even like linear progress your static holds as well so honestly it really just kind of depends on that day like if i my top set's like 650 for one i might do a static hold of 850 uh but what i'll do is and i'm not gonna lie a little bit a little bit of this ego because i need to be a little bit on the edge or at least at some point in my career that's the way i felt and i still feel that way a little bit but safer is um you know if i i did 650 in the top set i might put 700 on there to do a static hole and then i would feel that i'm like well that actually didn't feel too bad i might slide 750 on there and if that doesn't

feel too bad for a 10 second five second hole or something like that i might jump it up to 800 and then at that point i'm like okay this is just getting silly because now i'm holding like over the world record and uh you know i've i've done 837 i think it was it's my top 10 second uh static hold and plus it's just it's good for the mental game because you're holding that much weight that's clearly 200 some odd pounds above your max. And it makes the weight feel lighter the next time that you unrack it, regardless of the way it is, you know, there could be just a hundred pounds less, but that's a lot less than what you just held.

And so your body doesn't get freaked out by it. Uh, so it can help your mental game as well. So, uh, static holds for sure. One, I'm going to write these down.

So I have my own list. Static holds for sure. holds for sure slingshot overloads so I'm definitely big into overloads for sure static holds slingshot work JM presses back to the triceps. I've tried doing the JM. I've got the Elite FTS SSB. I've

taken the handles off and tried. It's probably been years since I tried it once, but I just don't know. I'm not a man that embraces change very well or new things, so it's always hard for me to do something that foreign. I guess I should reassess that.

Cause I do a lot of, I see a lot of people have, you know, enjoy it and have good luck and you can just annihilate the triceps with it. For sure. Uh, seal rows is probably, I'm going to move that up to the top,

even above static holds. Okay. Uh, cause strong back, uh, seal rows, incline chest supported rows, one arm dumbbell rows, anything where you're rowing.

It's going to build that back up, lat pulldowns, things like that. Favorite accessories. So I would round it out with seal rows, static hold, slingshot, J-up press. Love it. Everyone go implement that in your training the next couple weeks and see if you can bench 500 or not. Tag me in the video. Yeah, no, we appreciate that. That was some good info

there. I think, if I'm probably honest, do you have anything jumping out at you before we move into unpaid and underrated, Joey? Nah. I got my rat tail joking. I'm absolutely content. Alright so big james we have uh i feel like i've been monopolizing so i'll let joey introduce a little unpaid and

underrated for you so essentially unpaid and underrated is the game you are used to having played twice before um which is overrated or underrated. But we would classify unpaid as overrated and underrated as underrated because it's a play on the name of our podcast. So we've got a couple things that, you know, are you specific? And of course, there's no writing the line. You have your druthers as usual. I'm going to go first. I think I'll take one or two of them.

Usually it's the other way around but I'm feeling spicy today. Let's do it. Unpaid or underrated? Waffle House. I'm actually not, and I'm going to get killed for saying this,

I am not a huge fan of Waffle House. I like the puns and the memes. Obviously, Josh Bryant talks about them all the time. I love the content. But I grew up like Denny's, IHOP, those kind of things. So Waffle House, maybe I'm deprived. I'm sure I am. But I just never went in.

Didn't really know anything about it. So I'm going to go with unpaid. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the correct choice. Yeah. Nobody wants to be unpaid. So, yeah, nobody wants to be unpaid. OK, so this one needs a little backstory, and I don't know if you happen to listen to the episode with Big Grayson. if you happen to listen to the episode with Big Grayson. But Big Grayson has a very popular unpaid and

underrated lore story where he thought when they were out for sushi that he would enjoy the guacamole that they put on his plate with his sushi.

So unpaid or underrated, very spicy guacamole. I'm going to go with underrated. I do like a good scoop of wasabi, a little spice, kick you in the butt. When you're expecting it, of course. Big Grayson was not expecting it. He thought it was smooth guacamole. Oh, I never laughed so hard. Yeah, it was the funniest story.

Well, because I was wondering, I was like, at what point did you think guacamole went on raw fish? I think that was my biggest question there. And the texture is not that of guacamole. No. Kind of a chalky. Yeah, it's mustard with horseradish in it and it goes directly up your nose yeah he that's the big story there is i wanted to bring you into that version of the of our lore um but also like get your opinion on like wasabi do you do the thing where you like throw it in the soy

sauce and dip dip yep yeah yeah apparently you're not supposed to do that but like that's the best thing ever you're not supposed to rub the chopsticks together all the things but sometimes it's show you just i'm here to eat yeah i don't want splinters like at home i use aluminum chopsticks and i had some bamboo ones so i never got the splinters with the cheap press board ones but like when you're out and they give you those disposable garbage ones you got to do that because you're going to get splinters in them yeah all right uh my last one unpaid or underrated ghost strong ghost strong is definitely underrated i don't have to explain that, do I? It was technically Ghost Strong Equipment because Ghost Strong is just a t-shirt company now and Ghost Strong

Equipment is the defunct, you know, amazing company that doesn't exist anymore, the metal fabrication company that James is almost entirely outfitted of with at least all your big pieces. Yeah. Everything but the lap pull-down but all the same quality

good stuff underrated they sold to Rogue didn't they yeah basically they closed down as a company and sold they sold all their intellectual stuff but Rogue really only produces three of their items right now

what are they producing so their heavy duty combo rack their their their basic combo rack which is basically like an er combo and then the the ghost roller jay cups to my knowledge is the only three things they're doing uh they i'm assuming they technically own the patents for anything else but those are the only three things they're actively producing so two two they get rid of the name all together they don't put the brand it's no it's so, so it's still Ghost. It's like, it might, I think it might be Rogue.

It might be branded Rogue as well somewhere on it, but it still has the Ghost, Flamien Skull and everything. Because like I said, I think their biggest thing is the, well, I guess it'd probably be the biggest seller by amount of items would be the, yeah, the J-Cups. But then the, basically, if you want the best combo rack in the world, it would have the, yeah, the J cups. Uh, but then the, uh, the, basically if you want the best combo rack in the world, it would have been probably the one that ghost made five years ago before

they shut down. But now the only one you can kind of get is the, the rogue one, but rogue won't do any customization on it hardly. So I've got, I got a buddy that has one. He had to get like, you know,

aftermarket customization to get like his logo and shit put on it. But, uh, I, do I own anything? I don't take, no, I don't,

I don't own anything from Ghost personally. I tried their J-Cups at the Arnold. I don't know. I have the Irwin Fitness Roller J-Cups and I feel like they're twice as heavy as the Ghost Roller J-Cups. I don't know. I think they're pretty the cat's ass.

I have a lot of friends that are really into the Ghost stuff. Do you have the Ghost Calibrated plates as well? Nice. I've got two full calibrated plates as well? Nice. I've got two full sets of it and a rogue set. You started out with a little bit of a rogue gym too and then almost immediately turned around and spent probably

$30,000 on ghost stuff. Ghost actually supplied my whole gym for free as a sponsored athlete. Gotcha. Perfect. Okay. I, um, well, actually Tim from Ghost reached out to me right around when COVID was shutting gyms down. Uh, one of my last videos, um, right, right when COVID hit was, uh, training for the Arnold.

I was trying to do a 700 squat for reps, um, 600 bench for reps, 800 deadlift for reps. And so I was training that way leading up to the Arnold. One of the last training days, I was at a local gym where a couple days before the sheriff's department, all the police, law enforcement, they're like, hey, the world's shutting down.

You're allowed to leave your house. You're not allowed to go to the gym. Gyms are not supposed to be open. Naturally being the red book just kid and kind of rebellious person i am i said i'm gonna go train and figure it out just kind of quietly went to a gym part and was working out i had six 60 or something on the bar uh one of my last training days and um was going for like a double and as soon as i started to underact the weight chair walked in like you guys gotta get out of here you're allowed to be in here working out i'll start writing

tickets if you guys don't leave so i went home and i had one texas power bar that texas power bars gave me five years ago six years ago and i had 130 pounds worth of sand filled weights essentially um and i did floor presses with the bar plus maybe 200 pounds on the bar for just reps and then i filled up two big five gallon water jugs and roped them or tied them to the end of like a broomstick and i even tied them to the to the barbell with this weight on there so i could deadlift maybe 400 pounds worth of weight. And I was videoing this on YouTube, kind of bummed out, saying, all right, I'm still training. Sometimes you got to do what you got to do. And it was a little bit of a business gain to it.

I knew that a lot of my training clients that bought my programs wouldn't have access to gyms. No, that makes sense. And I wasn't going to be able to essentially make money online uh so i was like i need to pivot and figure out a way to cater to people that will not have equipment and can i still sell them a program it still makes some income here uh with this platform and so i started using that as kind of a way to segue into you don't have to have a full gym to get a good workout and you can do body weight stuff. You can have bands. And so I created the swim hack, no gym, uh, program. And that essentially kept business kind of rolling in through COVID when,

when the whole world shut down and I had clients from all over the world that were like, Hey, I can't work out because my gym's closing. I don't have any weights at home. So, but yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. No, I,'m sorry i kind of stole joey's uh that was like the one that i really want to talk about so i was like oh joey's not gonna know what to say about ghost no great do it so i'm gonna jump right in uh so i ended up i ended up lifting trees at some point like during all of that like i we we had in the backyard we had to cut down the tree yeah and i said to like i was like no leave that one leave that one don't cut that one into pieces and i would just go in the

backyard and just like viking press this tree because that was before i had a rack and everything right so yeah you do you gotta do what you gotta do yeah i was i was lucky my i established my gym in like 2015 i think so it's like i didn't uh i didn't i didn't have that uh that that struggle everyone else did is they were like oh well i guess i'll start a gym in 2020 uh so okay well so you half halfway through or uh unpaid or underrated i'll get us back on track here after i kind of segue there about go strong equipment for 10 minutes. What do you think about cold plunges, unpaid or underrated?

Cold plunges, they're definitely unpaid. Unpaid for sure. There is benefits that I still like and I still indulge in them. I'm in the middle of cleaning it right now so it doesn't have any water in it but in the next couple weeks I'm hoping to get it back up and I haven't changed the water in that thing in almost two years.

So it's not like it's dirty water. It's got an ozonator and a filter. It stays clean. I didn't feel right about it. It's been like 900 days or something. Not 900, but two years. And it's not the fresh water that was in there when I first put it in. So just to stay sanitary, I decided to clean it out.

And I just had to put water back in it again. But I'm also not lifting super, super heavy right now. I'm not beating myself up. So I really don't need the recovery as much now as I used to. So there's that too. Gotcha. Now that makes sense um so let's see it was just it was just swim hat gazpacho that's all it was this well everything is a super

sandwich right or super everything goes super sandwich yep yeah to harken back so we kind of have our own like like as you're in i know you said you're you're sometimes you feel like you're behind on some of the massonomics lore yeah we've got our we've got our own freaking lore and puns like we've got stuff here that like and sometimes i forget like is this something we started and only we get or is this like a massonomics thing and everyone gets it because it's like it's stuff that we've talked about for 40 weeks seems like maybe everyone doesn't get it i don't remember but uh yeah yeah, I had mentioned that all food is either a soup or a sandwich. And just like Keith had like a breakdown on that podcast because he was like, no, that's not possible. And then I think it was really breaking it down.

It starts making sense. Yeah, it does. And every I think the person on the podcast, it might have been Bryce, I think, because Bryce was just not sure. He was like, agreed. And him and I were just like against you as you were trying to like no it's not and him and I were both like yeah everything is it was really funny

end of story mic drop yes sir alright so to carry on to another body of water here more or less unpaid or underweighted unpaid or underweighted swim fan the movie.

Swim fan. I'm having to remember that. Oh, okay. It was like an early... I remember it. I'm just making scenes of it. Stalker. Yeah. The girl ended up stalking the Yeah, the girl

ended up stalking the guy, right? If I remember. Let's go underrated. Solely because it's swimming-based? Because I imagine that was probably when you were probably in high school or early 20s when that came out, I think, right?

I feel like that came out in the early 2000s. I was early 20s. I feel like I was in high school when they came out i think right i feel like they came out in the early 2000s i was 20 early 20s okay yeah i feel like i was in high school when they came out so uh good to know so underrated on swim fan so my last one here is the one i'm probably most intrigued about just for for selfish reasons because i like talking about you know lifting stuff so uh unpaid or underrated board pressing? Board pressing. Unpaid. Board pressing is just partial. Yeah, I'm not really a huge fan, but also I think it's more geared for geared lifters.

Yeah, true. Because of the partial and not being able to get all the way down to your chest. But even like I have the bench blocks and I use them as much as I can because I want to incorporate any kind of accessories I can but I don't honestly find in my own training that partials are really that beneficial because I typically want to train the full range of motion it's harder but every rep is perfected as far as I'm concerned that means I can do 10,000 of those leading up to a meet three years from now and if every one of those reps was perfect, full range, then nothing should change on meet day. And it just makes me confident that I can be able to perform the way I need to perform. No, that makes sense.

I, I, I implement the board per hour. Well, the bench block and I don't, I don't typically have, well, I do have people down here, but I don't, I don't want to do the whole, here's a two by four. Here's, you know, here's two a two by four here's you know here's two two by fours all that i just like i i'm a big fan of the you know both sizes of the bench block i use them somewhat regularly uh but it's always on a secondary day i've never made it like my main focus day or anything uh and it does like it will you know ebb and flow as i change my secondary bench you know i'm not bored not bored pressing 20, you know, 365. It's like one or two blocks out of the year will be have have boards on them, but I'm currently doing right now. And I just I get the whole heavy hold aspect out of it for me, unracking fucking 3040

50. I mean, my three board, I can literally do almost like 70 pounds, 80 pounds more than my regular comp bench. But it's just like, unracking that much weight and feeling it and, you know, getting those like, I wouldn't say, but that's what also intrigued me with who you were talking about. Heavy holds is just, I've never, I've never, you know, a board press. It's what can be like a second and a half to three seconds at the most, I guess, versus unracking that same 70 to a hundred pounds more. And actually holding it for 10 seconds. I might actually try that tomorrow.

But yeah, I don't,'t i've i could see i can see why people don't like board pressing but i look at it as for me it's the only it it annihilates my triceps in a completely different way that i never got from just like a press down or something but maybe i don't know i think the biggest thing is it's the mental uh way to kind of deal with, I've got something that I don't have to, I can rest it where I think it's on my chest, but you're able to do less energy or use less energy through the rep because you're stopping obviously shorter. But you're not relying on having to do like a spotopress where you're having to take time out of tension the whole time. But when you hit that board, there's a sense of relaxing that maybe you don't literally relax, but that's where you can stop putting a lot of force into the bar, essentially, ideally. And then you're going back to the reps. So I just I normally if somebody's really needing board press work, I typically try to focus on, OK, if you're still off the chest, let's do a lot more flies. Let's do a lot more back work. let's actually get your pecs stronger so that way that portion of the lift is faster stronger more efficient and the next time we go to do a full range uh a motion lift you're not

going to see that same slowdown in that area so it's doing the same thing it's just a different approach more of a holistic approach uh kind of a natural versus i mean i'm all for accessories but every now and then i like to just go to the basics it's just barbell movements just keep it simple one or two exercises a day and be done just get really really good and strong at those events and then everything else kind of falls into place makes sense well uh how many times a week are you benching or like like i said if you were if you were like well i guess you know because right now you're obviously not training for me or anything, but like,

I don't know. It's like, can there's, I can't imagine you're doing a comp bench twice a week, like working over 600 pounds. Right. No, no,

no. I'm I, most of the year I'm down in the 300 to 400 pound range, um, backed off significantly, but it's still enough weight that if you're going to pass 300 pounds, you can get a lot of work done. I mean,

most people are trying to get to 225 or three 15 or whatever, but it's still enough weight that if you're going to pass, you're going to pass, you can get a lot of work done. I mean, most people are trying to get to 225 or 315 or whatever, but chasing 300, Hey, uh, we're all where we're at. And, um, when it comes down to it, it's just, I'm used to training at a lot higher level. Uh, I've been a little bit on a kind of a, I guess, handicap if you will this last year. So my weights have been down further, but I've also been able to use that to build up, like I said. But, you know, 300 pounds or so on the bar. Cool. Okay.

Well, this is, Joey's got something, I think. Nope. Okay. So this is where we, you know, we're at the, you know, section where the guest, uh, AKA swim hack has the opportunity to ask us anything or anything we missed that you wanted to cover or any specific questions. Uh, it's entirely up to you.

We can, you can cut it in a minute or if you have anything you want to talk about, let's roll. I feel bad. I don't really have any questions, but it's not to say that you guys aren't interesting. It's, I kind of figured we wouldn't. Cause like I said, like I don't really have any questions, but it's not to say that you guys aren't interesting. I kind of figured we wouldn't because, like I said,

you're our first guest that doesn't necessarily know Joey and I personally, as well as everyone else we've talked to. We're essentially like, you know, know each other a lot. We had a lot more, you know, banter going into the episode. Discord, things like that.

So not a big deal at all. We can just go ahead and I guess start the outro then, I guess. That was quick. All right. Yeah, two hours. Oh, I'm excited to be under two hours. I'll be honest with you on that one

because, yeah, sometimes this goes for three and a half hours and I have to get up for work or training the next day and I'm just like, no, this is so much. Well, you guys can thank me later on. Get your tie back. No, that's, that's much obliged. So yeah. You know, use our code for any of our affiliates. Find us at unpaid and underrated podcast on Instagram. You will be, like I said,

already following us on that one. Uh, we did learn recently that you're probably not following me for whatever reason. Um, because yeah, uh, James, we, I used to always do this outro and go, well, I'm not even going to give my Instagram. Cause if you're listening to this podcast, you follow me. And then like one week I got like 20 new followers and I was like, I guess that's not necessarily true. People are just not following me from the podcast. So yeah, you can find me at underscore Joey.

No, wait. At Joey underscore Malesko M-L-E-C-Z-K-O. Yeah, find me on Discord. Don't find me on Discord. Big Joey, like there's a thousand big joeys out there on discord so and then where can we find you guys uh so um keith honeycutt73 go follow my orange gym the no wine seller and but most importantly is don't go follow big matt because again he stood us up he was supposed to be on here he had a couple questions lined up for uh swimack that he was specifically going to ask him.

And then he just ghosted us right at the end. So do not go follow Big Matt. So, James, where are we going to find you, buddy? Well, let's make it easy. If you just Google James Strickland or SwimHack, you'll find all my stuff. BingeOnly.com, Beyond Binge Press, SwimHack is all the socials. And the only one that's different is Facebook, SwimHack Powerlifter. All right.

Love it. So as Joey mentioned, use code unpaid for everything for us if you want to oblige us with any of our affiliates. And until then, we'll see you next Tuesday.