Unpaid And Underrated - 041 : Slapping Noodles

Episode Date: February 20, 2024

This week Joey and Keith get to know Big Joey. They dive into great topics like : What is a Joey, Rep One Fitness, White Castle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUSurBFWmQ0), development work, sleeping, Home Gym Con, horror movies, and what it is like to run a meme page with 20,000 followers. Links Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast (https://www.instagram.com/unpaid.underrated.podcast/) Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com (https://www.unpaidinternpodcast.com/) Our Guest On Instagram @joey.echeverria (https://www.instagram.com/joey.echeverria/) Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 (https://www.instagram.com/keithhoneycutt73/) or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar (https://www.instagram.com/thenowhinecellar/) @joey_mleczko (https://www.instagram.com/joey_mleczko/) Special Guest: Big Joey.

and welcome back to episode 14 of the unpaid and underrated podcast we are a podcast by crew for crew and we have a full house tonight i've got uh my co-host here big joey i can't i can't right now we have a special we have another special guest, Big Joey. Hey, that's me. And we have one of our editors and chief editor. Optimist Prime drowning in a shallow puddle. Yeah. I don't know if Nate's figured out his audio issues yet, but he will join us when he can.

Nate, can you give us just a heads up or hello or something? I don't think he can hear us. I think he's just frozen. I really think he's just messing with us the whole time. He's totally messing with us. How do you change cameras? How did you get two cameras? So we'll just pretend Nate's not here until he actually starts talking.

So either of the big joeys, what are you guys drinking this week? Oh, I have nothing at the moment. So if you got something in your hands, go. Yeah. Oh, actually, should we do the sack segment? Because I think that's going to parlay into the drink from what Daminger said. He wanted me to have a beer ready. So I'm going to... What do you want to tell your half a sack story?

And then I can do my sack? I'm assuming... Or should I go first? Because yours is already open. I'm going to get a beer. And then I'm going to get ready for the sack segment. All right. Sorry, Joey.

We all have a sack segment today. And, you know, as per the as per the sister segment, we would do all of this stuff before we get the guest on. So I'm pretty sure it was Big Jack and Ginger sent us a sack segment, right? Is that who it was? No. Was it was it the guy that looks always the guy that looks like it it was uh it was a ding-a-linger big uh dylan damm yeah chris big chris daminger he sent us a sack segment uh pretty sure mine arrived in my house like three weeks ago and joey showed up like four days ago yesterday oh so a fun thing about me going away for three days to work retreats,

my most recent Masonomics drop is going to show up tomorrow. The day I leave for three days of, like, Carol Stream. Perfect timing. Carol Stream once again. All right, I'm going to get out my fancy knife here. But he was actually shocked he said it wasn't gonna get to us are we on the same time?

you had mentioned half a sack so that's why I was kind of confused well he so Dammy which I think we've started calling him suddenly now has told me that this would go better with a bottle of Keith's but here's the thing I don't drink bottles and I find them impossible to get so we're gonna open this up. Are you ready?

Yeah, let's do it. So big Chris Damager, he sent us a, looks to be a skinny, I'm going to call it a skinny beer koozie with our unpaid and underrated logo on it. Ooh, it does. As everyone knows, I've bitched many a time.

That actually fits my Michelob Ultra Can perfectly. If anyone has been listening, I have complained many a time about all the massonomics koozies being too floppy for uh a skinny mcultra can or a bottle so this is actually a perfect size uh koozie for that so i'm gonna just found my new my new go-to koozie yeah it'll fit nothing that i drink yeah there's no way you're putting the Keats in there. I will do what I want, sir. Sometimes you gotta pull the mirrors in and see if you can fit in the spot. It was a snow fit for the McUltra can.

Yeah, buddy, that's in there. Yeah, I think you did a really good job, too, because I had ordered a thing off, or I got it for Christmas, like a hard shell koozie for skinny cans, but it's too tall. It's literally like the same height as the can. So as you're drinking it, you're just like fucking licking the plastic koozie thing. Whereas one Damager sent us has about almost a three quarter of an inch gap

between the top of the koozie and the actual can. So there's no koozie to mouth connection. And now it is red you just gotta put an orange no yeah it's you just gotta put an ab mat uh barbell pillow on the plastic one there you go to raise it up the hair that's good stuff no that's good work dami that's good work that it does actually fit my uh the big can it's just a like i said a bit of a tight a bit of a tight squeeze he spelled things right which we got that going for us. That is pretty rare.

Unpaid and underrated. Yep, perfect. Love it. Yeah, because it's got the big U and U on the front and then a vertical font, unpaid and underrated, going up the side. So really appreciate that, Chris. Thank you, buddy. And so, yeah, I'm obviously drinking a McAuliffe

and I got a hot water to get into in a little bit. Joey's knocking out a Keats. And what about other Joey? American Joey. Actually, I think it'll be American. It'll be Joey and American Joey. I think that's how I'm going to do it. I've got a black cherry polar seltzer, which is one of my favorites.

Love it. Good. And the Polars are pretty popular. I grabbed some. I grabbed some when we were down there. Oh, with the drink splatter light ready to go. Now you actually have something metal to... Yeah, just stick that big

magnet right to your computer. It'll be fine. Yeah, yeah. I put it right on the hard drive. Figured that'll work. I think that's what happened to Nate's audio right before this. He put his drink splatter light right on his microphone and fucked up the internals. I hate that this might be a bit and he's getting us with it yeah fucker i can like he keeps like i think my

like everyone like i don't i if you guys text me during the podcast i don't see it unless i pick up my phone because i don't have any alerts set it up so after like eight o'clock so like there's times i'm podcasting i look and there's like 30 messages with like that nate and joey have gone back and forth so i'm sure he's talking to us right now but i'm not seeing him but uh uh this week i'm wearing everyone's favorite all go no show i'm actually wearing it this time too not uh as some some previous people might have been a little lying when they said they were wearing one i'm actually wearing one they were all wearing them i don't know what you're talking about possibly we'll have We'll have to get Nate on to confirm, but I don't think it's going to happen.

What about you, American Joey? What do you got on tonight, buddy? I've got on the strong and silly shirt, which is my current favorite Masonomics t-shirt. Easily one of the best. I'm so happy they went with that. Eventually.

Right. I've got my, actually, actually my favorite which is the pursuit of strength the uh the the chase never ends now i know you've been asking for that in a banner so the trick i think is just just gain another 15 pounds to where that shirt doesn't fit and just put it right on the wall and that's your banner that's your pursuit of happiness banner or the i can't strength the banner it's not i'm not even gaining weight i'm still the same weight that's what bothers me like i'm still within 10 pounds of when i was wearing smalls so it's all water weight it's all creatine water weight there you go and and trend it's all

trend yeah i think I saw some. Did anyone see any trend commercials at the Super Bowl or anything like that? I don't think I caught any. I was going to do a whole segment about commercials, but I can't really remember any of them. I saw a couple of movie trailers I wanted to go see. Other than that, I'm like, I don't know. I didn't. Usually, there's multiple memorable ones, but I didn't have too many that stood out. I don't know what you're talking about.

Super Bowl commercials? Oh, now who's doing a bit? Okay, so the Super Bowl was this weekend. Yes, it was. Yes. And we finally saw closure to the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelch arc.

Right? Hopefully. We finally saw. Yeah, It was the season finale. It's all a work. We're all discovering now that even football is scripted. You guys want to know if wrestling is fake? Tell me that now. Tell me that now.

I actually don't know who won though. Did his team win? Taylor Swift won. Great. Usher lost, I heard. I actually don't know who won, though. Did his team win? Taylor Swift won. Taylor Swift won? Great. Usher lost, I heard. I'm lying. Actually, the only thing I watched was his performance.

I literally walked into my dad's room because the kids were sleeping in the living room. And I was like, put this on for me, please. And then when Lil Jon came out, I got really amped. Because I was just like, I hope Lil Jon's showing up. And of course he did. Well, I think they had to because most of the songs that I knew of his were collaboration songs. So I'm like, well, he's just going to get up there and sing his part to these four really, really famous songs

that he's not the only vocalist on. So I was like, okay, it made sense that they brought in at least two or three people to do their songs. What? What? You're telling me confessions isn't on your radar maybe i i can confess that it's probably not all right good pun you got me on that one but either way confessions is definitely on my radar yeah who was that one one of the davids was giving a shit for uh when we do have a a witty joke that we explain it and that ruins it

well fuck you david yeah i like i like that one of the former guests came on to say this has never been funny it's like yeah your episode was top tier not funny yeah yeah self burn it's good stuff uh the uh the the two joey's meme that brian had posted about an hour ago was pretty funny, though. I think everyone got a kick out of that. That made me laugh out. Like, I was in bed, and I just happened to open Instagram and see that you had posted it. And I laughed out loud.

And actually, Morgan said from the other room, okay, now what? Nice. So. All right. Hey, Nate, what are you wearing yo yo yo the technical guy Nate in the building I think I just blew Keith's so fucking loud

you blew us all buddy you blew us all that was so loud that was like the opposite of swim hack last week he was on like level 2 and Nate came on at level 12 you see look at this It goes up to 11. And now he's not saying anything. Our technically guy is doing great.

It's gone again. We're not going to... Don't let him back in. I think he's just fine with this. I hope so. Let's see. I got a couple of things. So since I just mentioned swim hack,

if anyone had listened to last week's episode, his like one, I think the, one of the top things he had mentioned for a bench accessory was heavy holds like unracking something like 20 to 75 pounds above your PR or whatever, and just holding it for 10 seconds. So I've done that twice so far.

Like, I don't know who's I did it at 300, three 15 and three 35. So anywhere from like 30 to 50 pounds more than my PR, dude, that's challenging. 10 seconds so i've done that twice so far like i don't know who's i did it at 300 315 and 335 so anywhere from like 30 to 50 pounds more than my pr dude that's challenging like it's it's i still don't think it smokes my triceps like a board press does like i'll still argue that like a two board is more beneficial for me than a heavy unrack but it was still pretty cool to unrack literally 50 pounds more than any or 50 pounds more than i've ever compressed before just hold it there for 10 seconds i'm like watching the video back and you

can like see my triceps like almost convulsing and shit and my arms kind of like with shimmying back and forth but i don't know if anyone else has tried it yet but i've uh it's something i'll definitely implement during prep at least for this you know run and you know see what happens but i think you know james has a 672 roll bench. So I'll, I'll, you know, I'll,

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that I'll, I'll, I'll try it. I've tried those for squats. Oh, no, yeah, me too.

Joey. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was just throwing on your shoulders. You throw it on your shoulders and just see if you can even stand with it.

Right. And maybe you'll do like a, a one eighth squat just to see like how it feels going up and down i've done it on squats obviously you can't do it on deads that's just a rack pull no you might just do a rack pull to see like can i even get this into a lockout i haven't done a rack pull in four years so i actually i can't say i've done any of that but maybe i will start playing with those on bench because my bench sucks right now so we'll see if maybe maybe swim i can teach me something see if you can help me out um let's see so i had a little i listened to one of huck

fenn's fucking he did he did like the one so huck finn has like three different podcasts one that he does with just his old lady sometimes i think it's the huck finn barbell show and sometimes it's actually a good episode this week was literally just them trying to set up their cameras and just him and his wife like just not really communicating well it was like probably the worst episode they've ever had that i've ever listened to but it was really funny because uh the one thing that segued into that uh they had mentioned that rep fitness got a one-year ban from the arnold and i was like well this is i'm take that with a grain of salt because huck finn said something so i don't really believe huck finn when he says anything technical uh but i

actually mentioned it to one of my group chats with my home gym buddies and uh jake from garage gym experiment actually confirmed it that he heard it was true so it was just interesting uh the whole thing they were banned from from what i heard was they had a shirt last year that had either the arnold logo or the picture of arnold or something to do with an arnold so they were like all pissy because of like copyright infringement kind of uh so big grant if you're listening better watch out because you've got a whole sticker that literally has arnold's logo on it uh so i would hate to see you get kicked out of the Arnold or banned next year. You know, because if anything, you're trying to fucking promote the Arnold, but they don't want people to do that because they're not making money off of it.

So find that kind of, you know, Bush League by, you know, the Arnold. I'm curious what everyone else's opinion is, if they have one. I, I think sometimes you got to calm down on jumping in on who you, who you criticize, why, and when you're a little quick every once in a while, uh, the Arnold has every right to protect their brand. They have every right and reason to do so. And that might not even be the reality, right? Maybe a rep on fitness did something fucking egregious that we don't know about.

I would say that, um, um as as somebody who has been to the arnold loves the arnold and is going again this year i'm gonna say i don't care i'm not i don't even know who rep one fitness is no it's just it's rep fitness not rep one it's rep fitness as a one-year ban it's just and that's how much that entire concept means to me it's like they're like bells of steel but better yeah exactly that's a very good example of everybody relax everything is fine that's funny don't don't fuck around because then you find out sometimes i just find it was odd because like there's definitely other people there that would have shirts and stuff with their logo like i don't know i was just i don't even know what i don't remember seeing what shirt they were talking

about but i know people in the past and that's my point if you are like we're at the arnold and you have the arnold thing that's one thing but if you're like we are the arnold and you have a spoof of it yeah i'm not sure what then maybe yeah until we're sure i think it's just time to like chill on on calling anything, especially the fucking Arnold. Like where most of our friends make money. They make money hand over fist. I'm the Arnold

now. There he goes. Oh wait, oh his audio works? Hey, so I've been through like three devices. I've been going through it tonight. We left left out of the orange glasses come i'll have to mail him some send joey a sack uh no i booted up uh this little mac macintosh here i have sitting over in the corner leave those on keith got a picture yeah yeah yeah we'll reach out here don't keep talking like you don't you can talk during a picture nate listen i'm so upset right

now you can't talk through a picture because then the faces look all weird okay i can edit all of this in post that's the only the only thing i was thinking while all of this was happening was like i'm just creating more work for me this weekend that i have to edit all of my mistakes out and i'm getting really annoyed you have extra time since we're recording on a tuesday you have you almost have a i've like you have six days i have negative time i'm just losing time this week it's insane at the rate i'm losing time this week um uh yeah uh the Arnold, I wanted to say, I'm like, I don't know, 80% sure last year Grant did have the Arnold flexing silhouette

at least on the back of the shirt they did for the Arnold. But they were also ultra-premier sponsor. I have that shirt. I wore it a day ago. Yeah. But, yeah. So I'm curious what shirt it was and, like, why in the world Rep1Fitness, whoever they are, would get banned from the Arnold.

I mean, maybe it's a cover-up job. It's, like, an inside job kind of thing. Oh, it's a PSYOP. Yeah, like, I think it's a conspiracy. I don't think... I don't think Rep 1 Fitness is even real, honestly, if you ask me. How do you wear these glasses the entire night? These are terrible.

No, okay, let me tell you. He wears them all day, and then all evening, and then all night, and then he puts them on again in the morning. I put my other ones on since the listeners at home only got to listen to me unbox these. I'll put them on. I think we still have people complaining about that one. All right, let's jump into rating next last week's episode. Hold on, I haven't finished all my stuff i need to get here we go we have like a guest to get to i just wanted five words i don't

think there's a guest on this week i wanted to shout out and joey i wanted to shout out my shirt i got a cool shirt joey look it's got my wife on it oh my wife and your wife that has to go deal with the kids that you just woke up by screaming probably. No, they'll be fine. It's just my wife. He's not even seen it right. My wife. It's my wife.

I got this for Christmas and I was like, ah, crap, I got to go downstairs. I need a Masonomics shirt. And then I just saw that on the top of it. I was like, I'll just wear my wife's shirt. That works as well. It's in the Masonomics lore. It's adjacent for sure okay sorry okay bye i'll leave the podcast now no don't leave the podcast we have things for you like join us for a little you stop screaming at me all the time so big uh big joey e you want to write last week's episode for us kick it off with a little uh you know one to five on the Massonomics iPod Jim touches scale.

Yeah, it's wild being on a recording because last week's episode was literally yesterday's episode. But I didn't really know Shane Holler at all and was a little iffy going into it. But then he mentioned how much he loves cats and that really turned me around. So I think I'm going to go with a bold out there rating of five Masonomics Gym iPod Touches. Nice. That's a good rating. I did listen to last week's episode,

but I'm actually going to rate an episode from the backlog because I was pretty much sick and bedridden multiple days recently. So episode 77, I believe, was when Tanner survived a hurricane. And him and one of the other guests or one of the other hosts talked about his experience with one of the hurricanes in 2017, I think. And it was a really informative, good episode of a little sneak peek of what was going on in 2017 in Tanner's life. So for all those

reasons, go ahead and give that a 5 out of 5 Mass Anomics Gym iPod touches. I had a lot of fun listening to it at 1.5. There's two things that are really funny at 1.5 speeds. It is the cool beans that he plays.

It is suddenly like a hard style is what i couldn't get out last week that's what it is it's hard style techno uh and tommy in general at 1.5 speeds is always going to be my favorite that dude already talks kind of fast but he has like a very he starts really slow but then he gets really cool and then he starts to slow down again. So at 1.5, you just miss almost all of what Tommy says. So for that reason, it's going to get a 5.0.

I'm going to go out on the rails and give it a 5.0. Masonomics iPod Touches. I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. But yeah, we don't usually do the points on things. Is no one going to address the travesty that keith just committed are we just gonna glaze right over that oh when i do this when i miss keith is just rating whatever episode he wants what episode did he i thought he's the shane haller i thought

joey doesn't even listen he doesn't even listen to you i was making memes how dare you that that does remind me of the making the meme things i we acted a lot of a lot of traction when i uh like uh tanner literally called me out to like oh send this to to tom and tom and see if we can get him to come to let's get you know the lift hardly easy so i like i literally cropped the video i was like i'm gonna tag fucking like 15 people on it and sure enough i was like it was funny because i think from the time i had heard tanner say that and like when i listened to the podcast monday i had like the whole thing posted like 10 minutes later so i was pretty proud of that that's impressive we're doing we're doing great from From a technical standpoint, from a me-paying-attention standpoint,

we're having a great podcast. Joey? The technical aptitude that we have on this call this week is way too high for the level of difficulty that I've had with the most basic form of technology. You should really be embarrassed, Nate. I am embarrassed, quite honestly. But I'm also at, like,

if there's a level of exhaustion somebody could be embarrassed, Nate. I am embarrassed quite honestly. But I'm also at like if there's a level of exhaustion somebody could be at. Oh yeah. I'm at like 9.5 out of 10 on the Glaze exhaustion scale because like that doesn't exist. My kids are sick and then I got sick

and then I'll tell you I finally took a couple days off work and I was like guys I'm just not coming in. The schedule is adjusted so you guys will be fine without me and then Morgan got like down right in bed for a day sick so I went from like being completely out of it to full-time dad and like I was like well that's okay because if you're at 20% and I'm at 80%, I guess I'm making up the difference. It's just like what you do. You tag in, right? You tag in as a parent or whatever.

And yeah, God, that fucked me right in. So I'm at 9.5, which luckily for us puts me way farther on the silly spectrum. Like it's not on the- Let's go. Yeah. I'm just here to have fun at this rate throw whatever you can at me does that make you any stronger or just sillier uh definitely actually my squad yesterday flew to the point that i was kind of concerned that i undershot my prep my readiness because yeah they they kind of flew so did the so did the overhead

press and then i'm just not going to get to work out at all this week because i'm not going to work out in a hotel gym they don't have barbells weirdos i'll bring my own barbell just throw them throw my texas power bar in the back of my car this is mine now i'm bringing this into the gym smash up the pool floor because the the gym's right next to the pool. Just completely disrupt the entire building doing 400-pound reps. Let's do it. Why not?

Do it live. The only thing you forgot about that is you also have to bring the 400 pounds of plates also, which is more challenging to load up than just one barbell. I got hundos. I got those hundos. That makes things a little easier. Not at all from like an exhaustion standpoint just from I had to do less trips

I would give the episode 5 iPod touches by the way who the fuck are you 77 I would like to give episode 33 of the Massanodonics podcast

five odd pod touches because apparently nothing matters anymore. There's no organization. There's no structure to this. You're going to ruin poor Kevin's spreadsheet that we keep. I mean, suddenly you have four or three hosts on. You've got two

Joey's on. It's chaos over here. That's why Nate joined. We couldn't have more Joey's than others. Balance the ratio. It's the next nomination. You're not a Joey? Relax. We got this podcast.

Next week, we're going to have a literal baby... Kangaroo. That's the word. It would have been better if I had that word in my pocket, but all I could think was giraffe. Alright. Longest nose breath

on a podcast by me tonight. I think that covers most of our general topics, so Big Joey E, would you like to do a little Mastinomic sponsor read for us? You got anything anything ready for the guest yeah yeah let me get this sponsor read out there so we can get the guest on the board nate do you think you can kick some people out while he reads this ad oh yeah dude if i try to do that i'm i'm on it then i'm on it sorry to interrupt you again jo Joey. That's alright. I don't think I can do anything tonight. I'm afraid to speak.

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slash join to become a member of crew today love it well done thank you all right that's good stuff all right let's get our guest on the horn there um hey big joey is that you yeah yeah that that's me i'm i'm big joey or wait are you big joey i'm i'm one of the big joey oh okay yeah we finally get to do that here there's like a thousand mats how many joys are there are there just the two of you or they're no there's there's a joe d there's a third yeah there's a joe but i don't think i don't think they go by joey so they don't have the same problems they don't have the same problems we have as joey's which i'm sure we will get into in some of our guest questions um but you are live on the unpaid and

underrated podcast um be prepared to be mocked by people you've never met but are probably still feeling close to anyway happy to be here i guess um so let's let's go with the lead question i think that a lot of people really like hearing about um what brought you here like what brought I guess. The first episode I listened to was episode 342 with Chad Wesley Smith. So I was already doing Juggernaut AI for my programming. And he posted in the Facebook group there that he was going to be on the Masonomics podcast. At that time, I had never heard of it and said, I'll give it a listen. I'll throw it on for my next lifting session and just kind of see what this is about. And about 20 minutes into the episode, I'm like, I don't know what I'm listening to. I thought this was a lifting podcast.

I don't know what's going on. Then, you know, he gets on there. He does his interview. They close out the episode. And the next lifting session, I get a notification for another episode. I say, oh, I'll throw this on again. I don't really know what's going on, but I kind of know who these guests are. I'll see what's going.

And then fast forward to May of 2023. I had been listening on and off for a while. And then I see that there's a new sister podcast in the works, the big sister podcast, if you will, Unpaid and Underrated. I'd been chatting with Keith a little bit on Instagram because we crossed paths at Home Gym Con, but didn't really get a chance to see each other too much there. I started listening to that podcast and I was like, you know, at this point, I think I'm already in too deep. I think I got to just go ahead and join

and become a supporting member and change my entire wardrobe, complain about the blanks, you know, the whole shebang. Nice. So I just met some nice guys at a convention and I gave them my personal information and now I'm part of what I swear is not a cult is essentially your story exactly that's exactly what it is

well welcome we are happy to have you yeah i love it and that is kind of accurate like we we i definitely saw you at home jim kahn but we had not really known each other before that so i don't like it was one of those things where I should probably talk to that person, but then you just don't really get it right. It's just like you're too nervous. That's why this podcast exists, because when we see each other next time, we're going to have already had a freaking two-hour podcast.

Two-hour plus podcast. That's my whole thing, is I want everyone to do that. Oh, I'm going for five. You and Nate can do that. Dude, I'm ready to roll. I'm on one tonight. Let's go. Two hours, 45 minutes, I'm crawling into bed. for five yeah well you and you and nate can do that dude i'm ready to roll i'm punching out i'm on one tonight let's go two hours 45 minutes i'm going into bed so you guys do whatever you want after that yeah i got three days of stuff to do tomorrow and um so i'm pretty sure your

your ig is not joey underscore molesko so what is it uh joey you can't even spell that. M-L-Z. I don't know. Something like that. Oh, come on. You can't. Seriously? He doesn't listen to this podcast. He doesn't follow me. M-L-E-Z-K-O. So what, Joey, what is your... Hit up with your socials.

Spelling bee. My Instagram handle is much easier to spell. It's joey.etribarriaia so it's spelled exactly how it's pronounced oh duh but for anyone that wants the spelling it's uh e-c-h-e-v as in victory e-e-e-e r-r-i um because i didn't have any other ideas when i was making my instagram handle i decided to just make it my full name and I'm in too deep with it. So that's, that's just what it is. The good news is if you start searching Joey etch and Instagram, I'm pretty sure it shows up.

So that actually is. And then, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that actually is. It sounds exactly how it's spelled. Damn it. And then, uh, on discord, I believe currently i am big american joey because i decided that that was the uh the variant of big joey that made the most sense for me makes sense to me everyone be sure to go follow every uh go be sure to go follow big joey on instagram as well as the other big jo. Cause apparently no one's following him either.

Yeah. Yeah. Apparently don't have enough followers. Uh, so where are you from? What's going on there? Like you're, you're, are you Midwest or are you like,

I live in the Midwest. I, I, well, it depends on your definition of the Midwest. I currently live in Indiana, um, which I,

I believe most people would classify that as Midwest. Yeah. it's a everything south of me is Midwest, Joey. So I'm assuming that yeah, perfect. But I'm not originally from here. I'm originally from well grew up in first in upstate New York and then upstate South Carolina and lived a bunch of different places in between. Where in upstate New York and then upstate South Carolina and lived a bunch of different places in between. Where in upstate New York?

The Schenectady area in Scotia, New York. It's like an hour from me. Oh, Nate loved that word. We're just going through things I can't spell tonight. That's the name of the game, which isn't very hard. He tried to take notes and he went, no. That's upstate. I can get that one. Actually, I lied. That's like three hours.

I was thinking of Skinny Atlas. That's in Syracuse. Those are different words. Schenectady and Schenneapolis. I was thinking of the Adirondacks. Yeah. The Otakoks. All. The Otakoks. All in the Otakoks.

What took you from like that to where you are now? Like that's a kind of a big jump. Oh, I mean, I've lived all over. So after South Carolina, I went to college in Pittsburgh to Carnegie Mellon. From there, I moved to the Washington, D.C. area, living in Maryland. And then I moved from there to the United Kingdom, lived there for another three years. And then I moved all the way across the country to San Francisco. Lived in San Francisco for six years. And came to Indiana because my wife already lived here. They weren't my wife at the time, but we got married after i moved here nice and now

that you have a home gym i don't think you want to move again do you uh we actually do want to move we'd like to move to uh the pacific northwest um but we don't have timing for that yet and almost every week i'm thinking okay i'm gonna'm going to try to keep this, this, I'm definitely going to sell. And then it just keeps changing. Yeah. I've been there. Fun story. I've been to one of those places.

San Francisco. I have been to San Francisco. Yeah. I was just thinking, usually when people are like, I've been everywhere, they've lived in like two States. This man has lived in multiple countries.

They're like, yeah, I've lived everywhere. It's's like you've just lived in different suburbs of the same city it's like i have you know i've lived so many places no oh you know i was here then then i went to the uk the uk for five years too so how did like so you were there for five years like did you almost like you kind of like assimilated there to some extent so when you moved back was it kind of like a culture shock or were you just like did you fall right back into old habits of just i still see here's some of the accent coming through so uh honestly it wasn't that big of a culture shock uh i had a american friend that also lived in the uk at the time and he liked to describe it as living in England is like living in the 63rd state. So it's still like, it's a little bit further out there compared to the rest of the

United States, but it's not that different. And then it also helped that at that time, I was traveling quite a bit for work. So I went to like a lot of conferences all over the US. So I was probably in the US like four or five times a year for most of those years uh so for the people that aren't american we're in the uk because that's a that's a general area for the people that are american that is like as much as we can handle yeah like the uk means like half of ireland not all of ireland scotland where was britain like where in the uk were you uh so i lived in a small city called rippin uh which was near leeds and york if you're familiar with that area so it was the the sort of considered the north

of england yeah okay northern england yeah i'm not familiar with where the cities are, but I know northern England is. Yeah. I just wanted to, when you say UK, people are like, I lived in London, didn't I? And like, no, that's a big area. And if you are Irish and somebody says the UK, you've got to make sure you say it. Like, no, I'm southern or northern. So I wanted to just get that clarification.'re gonna say something there keith i was informed to tell us that he was from like another six places in the uk in that five years he moved every year

like seven different townships over there actually funny story i've been to all of the countries. Every one of them. So, Batman, when did you live in Gotham City? I lived in Gotham City from approximately 2015 until like 2021.

So I got the nickname Batman when I was working for a small startup called rocano which doesn't exist anymore they got bought out by another tech company called splunk that i'm sure no one on this podcast has heard of except for maybe nate but as startups do as startups do hyper hyper compu global mega net just got bought out exactly yep and uh you know being a startup they uh wanted CompuGlobalMeganet. Just got by the open bill gates. And being a startup, they wanted to have a little bit of

fun with all of the employees. When you joined, you got to pick a celebrity or character doppelganger, and then you also got to write a bio for yourself on the website. I was not feeling particularly creative and did not want to write a full bio.

So I decided that my bio was I'm Batman. And then my picture and alternate celebrity, like Avatar was just a picture of Michael Keaton as Batman. And the nickname stuck pretty much for the whole time that I was at Ro Khanna. It started to phase out after we got bought. But yeah. And some would say that I lived in Gotham City when I was in Pittsburgh, because that was a stand-in for Gotham City in the third Chris Nolan Batman movie. So the reason I wanted to bring that up a little early, because there's still more other Masonomics-related questions, is I know Nate has a serious... You guys are probably wondering, what the hell is Nate doing on a podcast today? I know Nate has a serious, you guys are probably wondering the hell is Nate doing on a podcast today? I know Nate has a few questions that are a bit nerdier than me and Keith were

ready for. And I know that our audience really likes to kind of hear a little bit about our, our people's expertise when, you know, it's not too crazy or controversial. So Nate, I believe you have a series of shit to bore me and Keith with.

So consider this wrestling talk for all of you nerds out there. When I go on wrestling or Keith goes on home gym stuff, you're about to experience that. And now, you know. So you give me way too much credit because like two hours ago, you sent a screenshot of the show notes and um within that it contained joey's current employment status and i was like whoa wait a sec hold pump the brakes like this dude's a developer like this is awesome i don't want stewart thunder you should have said that i can't say that but'm going to tell everyone he's a developer. And I was like,

birds of a feather. And then I was like, Oh, what are, okay. So big tech, fang, all that stuff.

I was like, what are some good, like overrated, underrated. And I started, I just started like sending like a thousand messages to Joey and Keith of like, you should like mention this.

This is a good joke. Uh, do this thing, like try to get this in. And they're like, can you please just come on this episode? And I was like, I, I, I guess i don't have anything pointed to actually say i just had like one liners that we can get off only i believe it was what do these words mean can you just do this

yeah that was more we're kind of toddlers when it comes to this kind of stuff so just like i can't nate i can't open my drink. Can you just come do this for me? Yeah, right. But yeah, I don't know. I'm fascinated. I've had friends that have worked in big tech, and it's a wild world.

I know you worked at startups and stuff like that, and we always have our segment where we say, Keith goes, how does he say it? He's like, we like to ask people what they do for work. If you don't want to talk about it, it's completely fine. You can say as much or as little as you'd like to. So we'll open the floor to that. I'd love to hear about it.

If they would have done it, I would have just sat editing this podcast. Like, why didn't they ask him about all of these things? So I guess I'm here to ask all of those questions now. But yeah, tell us about what you do. Yeah, well, I've been a software developer pretty much my whole career. So started that right out of college. Originally actually worked for the US government, the National Security Agency. I can't tell you too much about what I did there, but that is how I ended up in England.

So they flew me over there and put me up for the time that I was there. After my time there, I decided I wanted to make a little bit of money before I died. So I moved over to the private sector and decided to work for a startup. So the first startup I worked for was a company called Clutter that still exists. They went public and then they went around to a another startup they got bought out and uh now i'm at netflix which is the the first job since i worked in the government that people actually recognize the name of the company when i tell them the name of the company that i work for makes sense um no i was i uh so i saw that you're a developer at netflix and i was like okay i need to know like where else he might have been like i was like if he works at netflix he has to have

a linkedin so i was like let me just go like hop on linkedin real quick uh before we hop on and you know see where he's been uh and i scroll through and i just see like nsa and i was like okay all right well that just level sets that this guy's like pretty legit okay seven years at the nsa all right let's go like i was like uh are we allowed to make jokes about that i don't know i'm not gonna feed joey and keith any jokes about the nsa but if we were worried about our call not being recorded it is now um so yeah that's how did you where i so i've had friends that have uh their like life's desire was to work at the nsa because they loved like security and cryptology and stuff like that what led you to like crypto

zoology no that's not the right word but i can't think of the right word. They're a big math nerd, more or less. Cryptozoology. Yeah. Just like ciphers and encryption and things like that and reverse engineering, bad security stuff. They loved all of that, which is out of my realm of technical expertise, obviously. What? Why? Why?

How did you get there? I'm just so curious, because that's like, that's a great question. Like, I'm at Netflix now, but I used to work for the NSA. And that's just such worlds apart in like, the working of a person, I feel like. They both begin with N, which is, you know, the primary way that I pick companies. Obviously, you know, the primary way that I pick companies. No, the way I ended up there is before I went to college, I was looking for scholarships because I knew that I wanted to go to a school that was probably going to be kind of expensive. And I was like on some scholarship searching website. And I came across one that the NSA had. And most of them, they say like, oh, this scholarship is for $5,000, or the scholarship is for $10,000,

whatever the limit is. And this listing, for whatever reason, didn't have a limit specified. And so I clicked on it, read the fine print. And it's like, if you get accepted to this program, we'll pay full tuition for four years at whatever college of your choice, so long as you major in one of these fields. So I applied for the scholarship, had to go through a round of interviews. And I think that year there were like 600 applicants and I was one of the 20 something that got chosen. And the like the one stipulation was you had to work full time after you graduated for. after you graduated for uh the formula was kind of complicated but the the net net was a minimum like four and a half years for your four and a half years of school or four years of school which was i thought a great deal if i didn't have to worry about any college debt then yeah i was i was willing to to try my hand at uh at that secret stuff that's secret stuff especially carnegie mellon from an out-of-state tuition.

It had to be literally like $500,000 or something by the time you were done. Something crazy. That sounds like not a bad deal, I guess. Yeah. That's, yeah. That's, I mean, shoot. If, yeah, if I was like, I want to go here

and this police will pay my ride, sure. And guarantee me a job. Yeah, I did a similar thing um and like a uh like the poor man's not advanced version i went to work i uh i was working as a meat cutter and my friend was like hey our company i was going to school for computer science my friend was like hey like come work at this company they'll pay your tuition while you're working and i was like sick i'll go do that um and then i realized i didn't want to do school and work 40 hours a week um but they did pay for my tuition and so i took like one class and just yeah i did like the opposite of that where it did pay for some schooling um but i was not i was still going to a community college and uh i worked at like the like job afterwards was not the nsa um shout out

shout out xerox um but uh i guess that's big xerox park uh no i was ah yeah you think i'm that big time no uh we'll save this for my episode but i worked for like a tiny sister uh they called them sister companies ironically that like existed as a portion of xerox and i was like i was the ugliest stepchild of stepchild in this weird software division inside of xerox but we'll save that for another show. Is that why your audio sucked when you were trying to get on? No, I work at a much better company now. Okay, that's good. You might call us a startup, I don't know.

Unpaid and underrated? Yeah, that's, yeah. They're the reason my internet sucked. No, so, yeah, what do you, I don't know how deep these guys want me to go but i want to know every like i'm just like so interested i love talking to dudes that do this stuff um so what do you do what do you enjoy like why coding do you like like for me obviously keith mocks me constantly but like my brain thinks in like how could i write something to do this how

could i like oh i want to build that like that was one of the things I fell in love with with code is like well I wanted what nobody mocks you we're just worried about you like as your friends every once a week right now i get an update on the glaze scale website and it's just always one step ahead of like like dude like are your kids okay like are you they're great are you taking your vitamins and eating properly right now because like like you'll just come up and be like oh this is like this update and now you can like share the code and we're like why we didn't need that nobody needed that six we did we did people go to this website that's not true focusing so much time on this so it's not that we mock you we're just genuinely worried at your friends no everything's

fine everything is fine except for the audio today don't hit me with everything is fine. Cause I know everything is fine. Um, yeah, Joey wrote that phrase. Um, but yeah, like to me, like I, I think about a lot of,

you know, I'm sure you've experienced this, but sometimes you're like, I would literally rather do anything right now than coding. And then I think about like, well, I could go do this. And I'm like,

I just, I really love the problem solving. I love the creation aspect. Like I love all of that. right now than coding and then i think about like well i could go do this and i'm like i just i really love the problem solving i love the creation aspect like i love all of that and i don't actually know if i could give that up then you end up building like a website to search your friends 4 000 movie rankings database just because you can like it's like and you're like this is amazing and you're like this is the easiest thing i've done this week. Like, this is, sure, yeah, I did that in, like, a lunch break. But I don't know, like, what drew you to programming? Like, what keeps you there?

How do you feel about it? Tell us about your feelings. This is a feelings podcast now. With druthers. Yeah, druthers me. Oh, I've got druthers on this one. That's good. Yeah, I mean, I became interested in computers the way that a lot

of i think young people do which is you start playing video games and then you start thinking about oh well there are people that actually make these things there's like you you can write code and it becomes a video game i want to learn more about that and uh you know the the more i learned and the more i tinkered with computers the more i just loved the problem solving aspect the the puzzle solving you know when when i'm working on a a problem at work sometimes like i just if i haven't solved it i want to just get back there and noodle on it some more, try to figure out what's going on. So, yeah, that's that's what really attracted me to coding and software development and just being able to solve those puzzles. Yeah, it's so funny because like I don't know about you, but one, I'm like only tendentially or like I kind of enjoy video.

Like I enjoy video games. I'm just terrible at them. And I really don't like like the zelda like puzzle games like i've never been good at them and it's like i seem feel like every developer's like and i love problem solving but i suck at like problem like puzzle based video games and i don't understand it and i want to know are you a video game guy do you suck like are you good at puzzles because i feel like maybe i'm just a bad developer that's very possible but like i i just want to have some sympathy here if i can get it if i need another developer to be like yeah i love solving puzzles and algorithms and all this stuff but like zelda that i can't figure out what's going on um i i like wax and wane as far as video games go. So every so often I'll just get really into a video game and it's like the only thing

that I want to do when I'm not lifting or working or cooking. And, um, there are other times when I just don't really want to want to touch a game. Um, Zelda, like the, the newer Zeldas I've never, I haven't actually played a Zelda game since the link to the past. So that was the last like full Zelda game that I actually played. Um, Joey just passed away. Uh, my wife loves Zelda though.

So they'll, they'll play Zelda for, for hours and let me watch and let me help them solve puzzles. And I love doing that. I love being like the, the sidekick that's helping the main character along. What's the, what's the last video game that you got obsessed with and, and give me why.

Uh, the last one I got obsessed with was probably animal crossing, uh Crossing around 2020, the same time that everybody did. I can see that. And, you know, that was kind of an escape at the time. It was it was fun. You got to design your island. You got to collect stuff you you got tricked into doing free labor for uh a raccoon so you know if your if your boss is a cute raccoon you'll

just do almost anything it's just like working in big tech and i exactly um and i kept playing that for for a while until i started to recognize that like i would wake up and i'd be like oh i gotta boot up the game and do my morning chores yeah so i would do morning chores and animal crossing animal crossing was like that like you would you would you would wake up and be like okay i need to like have my coffee go to the bathroom and then i've got to like make sure i get to the fish that are out before noon because i don't have some of those yet yes absolutely yeah i'm with you on that one no i was i was in there too i was in there too man and like my wife bought it because she was like i'm gonna play this and it'll help me connect with my mom and my brother and then i was like no this is my identity for a year like like i am just going to play animal crossing for a year and be so crazy with it so yeah now i did enjoy the last

legend of zelda which is why i was like oh no like yeah they're really but like they get so boring it is a great game it's just it's so big i don't like games that are so big right so actually the last legend of zelda i don't think i finished i uh i just kind of got to the point where it was almost done and went hey i'm done like i just i'm gonna put this. And then I went back to playing the Arkham Knight again for the fifth time. I'm just going to play this Batman game over and over again for the rest of my life. Sorry to hijack the video game talk.

No, you're good. You're good. We had to get something for Joey to latch on to there. I've just a couple questions that I want to know, and then we can get out of nerd talk. But I'll try to keep bringing us back here as much as possible because that's my only purpose on this podcast.

So I'm just curious, favorite language, least favorite language? If you're a developer, what do you love, what do you hate? You server-side, you front you front end where do you land yeah i mean i'm definitely server side um because i've done a a lot of stuff with like big data tech stacks so hadoop spark all of that kind of stuff uh apache flink if you've heard of that one um so i honestly hate pretty much every programming language i use java and kotlin the most currently uh just that's just because that's the tech stack that all the services i work with are written in um but i've bounced around i've used Python before. I used Perl for a little bit. I guess if I had a favorite, it might be C,

just because it is so painful to use. There's just something about writing something in C and making it actually work and not just immediately blow up that's very satisfying. So what Joey's told me is he's a real developer. satisfying. So what Joey's told me is he's a real developer. Joey's not messing around is what they say. I thought Joey was big smart. Joey is big smart.

Big smart Joey over here. Okay. Joey's favorite language is C. He is better than all of us. Okay. We'll just get that. When we're talking that, are we talking DOS? We're talking real close to DOS're talking that are we talking DOS like we're talking real close to run

are we talking CSS not that C not that C it's not C++ we're not like the granddaddy of all the program pretty close to it so we're even out of what like I well CSS is a programming

language Joey come on come on oh geez come on joey it's just html and steroids yeah i get it nope awesome not necessary whatever web development yeah i'm i'm uh i'm a lousy web developer who doesn't know anything and writes high-level languages that just consume all memory so yeah our c developer over here must hate me uh i i respect web developers because i hate the entire tech stack that like web apps are built on top of same like i recognize their value yeah i've just found myself here and i don't know how to get out yeah i guess i'm having another beer enjoy all right nate you're uh you're your four minute clock is on buddy all right we have to do the we got one more feelings question um i this is always like something when i think about like development

work and like people talk to me like there's something that I've like worked on that I've been like, I loved doing this and it gave me so much joy. And like, I still think about it to this day. Like I'm still proud of it. Um, so like favorite thing you've ever created, um, done project you've worked on. And then also what is your like least favorite thing that you've ever worked on now? Half of your work experience has been tied to the government, and you can't talk about it, so we know all your favorite things are probably there, so just second favorite. His favorite thing is the Mothman cover-up.

Yeah. It's hard to pick a favorite, but one that comes to mind is this is when i was at rokhana and so to further bore all of the listeners uh rokhana was a observability company which basically meant that we wrote software to help other software developers see what their software was doing so they could software better. And one of the things that I wrote while I was there was an embedded library for just doing data transformations. And we used it like across the tech stack. It was simple. It did very little, but it did exactly what it needed to do. And so that was just kind of like a joy to work on. I don't think there's anything better than like making something that works really well that then just gets used by everything. And it's like, oh, also there just hasn't been like it just works well. Like there's just like no greater feeling than being like, I did something good and everyone uses it and it is is helpful to my organization like it is it is a very good feeling i sympathize with that

my my contribution was creating a imdb search page um you know that's my life-changing development work least favorite project you got one all of them anything that takes six weeks to fix uh uh least favorite project is probably whichever project i was working on six months ago that now has bugs in it i have to go and wade through and fix yeah whatever that last idiot oh that was me get blame wait what yep i've had that a lot recently is a great way to learn that you hate yourself yeah but i took over a huge project when i came into this company that was more or less written by like one developer and there's still a lot of just his stuff that's there um and i'll be like ah yeah that was i think actually no was his name joey i don't remember um but uh it was me um yeah i just occasionally come across people i hate and name them joey

that wasn't subliminal um but uh sometimes i'll be like oh yeah that was definitely like that was the last guy like no chain and i go and i'm like ah yes so i did that uh i'll be like give me a week i'll fix that it's like Wish I'd blame that other guy. We can close my tech minute. Tech hour. We'll get back onto the stuff that isn't tech related. Nathan was curious about it anyway.

Keith, that's your cue. Put your glasses back on. Actually, I'm in. Least favorite versus most favorite, eating White Castle burgers. Eating White Castle burgers, just the traditional sliders is definitely the best. Don't need any cheese. Don't need any toppings. Just go with meat, grilled onions, bread.

That's all you need. Maybe a trash can to set it on top of. And now would you eat them like at a normal speed? Or would you like try and speed eat some White Castle sliders? I mean, it really just depends. Sometimes you're out with your buddies and your buddy orders a crave case, which if you're not familiar with White Castle is 30 sliders and commits to eating all 30 sliders in the restaurant. And then 10 sliders deep, he decides, no, I can't do it. I can't do it.

There are people watching me. I just can't. I just can't do this anymore. I can't do it. I can't do it. There are people watching me. I just can't. I just can't do this anymore.

And so you do the next logical thing, which is you challenge them to an eating contest. And you yourself have already enjoyed five sliders. So you you graciously eat five more to catch up as you do as one does. And then you decide then you decide, well, we can't do this in the restaurant because, you know, there are people here. So let's go outside and let people eat in peace. And then, of course, you need a place to stage this contest. So you grab the nearest trash can, and that's the perfect place to stage your burgers. But, of course, you're worried if you're going to be eating them very fast that uh you're going to you're going to be messy you're going to get your shirt all dirty so you do the next logical thing and you take your shirt off your shirt yeah you didn't exactly

it's perfectly logical of course i don't need no napkins i'll just take off the shirt yep yeah yeah exactly um why am i with you on this and then here and then here's the thing that you learn about yourself uh during this competition you learn that you're not a speed eater you're not built for max velocity just eat as fast as possible you're a capacity eater so you get your ass handed to you by your buddy who eats his 10 burgers fast enough that he's able to steal one of your 10 burgers and just embarrass you and rub it in um but but that's fine because there are other eating challenges and there are other opportunities to just prove that you can eat way more food than any human should. And speed doesn't matter as much. I've never been to White Castle, so hopefully that's a thing I get to experience on one of my many trips to the U.S.

You don't see them in the grocery store ever? many trips to the U.S. You don't see them in the grocery store ever? I see them. I've never actually been to a White Castle, I don't believe, but I see the frozen ones that you just walk away for 90 seconds or something. The frozen ones are not nearly as good. You gotta go there

and you gotta have them fresh. Yeah, we definitely don't have them up here. We don't get the frozen stuff or the regular stuff. While we're on food uh i had a little comment that you love peanut butter so the whole episode rides on what you say next uh creamy or crunchy creamy that's that's my preferred peanut butter um i will do crunchy in the right circumstances but if if i can only pick one it's going to be creamy um one of my favorite things to do is to just get uh like a bowl of vanilla ice cream and then just load it

up with twice as much peanut butter as ice cream and it's just the best thing are you my spirit animal because that's what i do like with a little hershey syrup sometime but it's not necessary uh no that's awesome i've and then i likehey syrup sometime, but it's not necessary. Uh, no, that's awesome. I've been, and I like,

I'll like mix it up and almost make like a, like a, like a frosty out of it, if you will, or like a milkshake kind of thing. So, so what are, what are the circumstances for crunchy? Cause for me,

um, so toast, crunchy peanut butter, and a bit of a honey. Those are like prime circumstance for me like what are the circumstance for you where crunchy would outweigh whipped if you're fucking whipped um yeah it's i would say for me if i'm eating an open-faced peanut butter sandwich then i'll go i'll go country because that just gives you a little bit of like uh

texture variety so that way it's not all just smooth and and soft i also just like peanuts like i don't do you guys just like to do you guys just eat roasted peanuts yeah i have like a they have like 100 calorie packs that i'll get every now and then just because like if i have a jar of peanuts i'll eat the whole fucking thing and oh same i'll have a thousand calories of peanuts so okay so i have to do the 100 calorie packs and like restrict myself to like one a day if i do them but that's why i like crunchy peanut butter over whipped peanut butter is because i will fully buy like the planters dry roasted i use the use the cap as a plate and i'll just pour them out and eat them by the handful until somebody takes them away. I will get sick on those.

So crunchy peanut butter is just another conduit for making myself sick with peanuts. I do like peanuts. I'd like peanut butter more than I like peanuts, though, which I've always found interesting. But I'm definitely with you on using the the cap as a as a plate it's like grandma top perfect size yeah yeah my that was the thing my grandma taught me except fun instance if you cook with peanut butter i will vomit so my wife has tried to make like ramen or pad thai in the house and i was like i'm down like whatever my wife wants to cook i'm gonna try at least once but there was a time she tried to make pad thai

and i just she she threw peanut butter in and she whipped it up in the wok and i was like okay honey i'm here and i put those noodles in my mouth and i gagged everywhere so yeah apparently cooking with peanut butter is my limit cooking with peanuts is not and peanut butter is not apparently cooking with peanut butter is my limit. Cooking with peanuts is not. And peanut butter is not. But cooking with whipped peanut butter in noodles or something just murders me every time. I eat Thai peanut chicken like once a week. It's incredible. You're wrong.

I love Thai peanut chicken. I can't. I just can't. A staple for my family. Real quick, I just want to pop the stack um i was reading through these notes because i had like not a huge notice to read this uh huge book of notes uh white castle thing um everyone just slid over this uh i noticed in the story about this white castle thing at the bottom of the story from whoever sent this,

there's a link to a YouTube video. Oh, yeah. Oh, I don't know anything about that. Oh, put that in the show notes. Oh, yeah, for sure. It says, but what makes this an amazing story is that a random person they never interacted with that day filmed it from the inside of the restaurant with commentary

and uploaded it to YouTube. I appreciate whatever the channel name is for his amazing contribution, and then provided the YouTube link. And Joey and Keith were just gonna glaze over the fact that there's a whole freaking YouTube video of the story that we're telling.

Alright, guys. The commentary version is better. I think it's good to watch the original but then watch the commentary immediately afterwards because that guy eviscerates us yeah we'll put that i'll make a reminder that i won't remember to put that in the show notes did you ever go in and comment on the actual youtube there are zero zero comments. We actually, we, I don't think we commented on the YouTube, but we like sent him an email or a DM

and we asked him if we filmed other eating competitions and like sent you the footage, would you do commentary for them? And he was game, but we just, it never materialized. History theater. Yeah. That's good. Okay. There's Nathan hijacking the podcast again okay

i'll go away again we'll see if we can get some comments on that youtube video by next week hopefully okay so i think first comment i have my last food question okay how is one an udon connoisseur and what is it about the big noodles that you think are better than the little noodles? Because I'm a big noodle guy myself. When it comes up. I do prefer the big noodles. But what makes one an udon connoisseur? That's a great question. First, explain what they are, for people like me. Yeah, so if you've ever had ramen, that's probably like the more popular noodle space soup is going to be ramen. Ramen is great. It's tasty.

Stay away from the instant stuff like it'll do in a pinch. But like real ramen is is much better. I disagree. Eat as much instant ramen as your sodium laced kidneys can handle. Cause you can fuck with that stuff so much. But again, those are all, those are all skinny noodles.

So I just want to hear more about. Yeah. So, so udon is, um, it's a thicker wheat, wheat noodle. That's often cooked into cooked into a soup.

And the thing that I like about udon is you get bite and chew to it. So you're not just like slurping the noodles, but the noodles you actually get to kind of like enjoy along with the rest of the soup ingredients. So we've made udon, me and my wife, probably like four or five times. My wife, we've made udon like four or five times. They always make the broth. So they'll make a kombu dashi, and I'm forgetting the name of the other one, but one is made with seaweed. And I don't actually like seaweed or a ton of seafood, but I like it when it's used to make the broth. And then they'll also make a mushroom based broth, combine those together.

We'll put the noodles in it. We'll usually put some steak or other protein and a bunch of different veggies. And it's, it's just delightful. Sounds good. have you ever have you ever met a noodle master i have never met a noodle master that would be that would be a fun experience i actually did once here in my city they actually opened a ramen place that had a noodle master and he was there for like a certain time of the day where you would go and you would watch this dude like kung fu dough into noodles it was insane and and the place

didn't do well which is in crazy it's crazy to me that you had a noodle master in your North American city and you didn't go. But again, that place was not like that place was a genuine ramen restaurant, right? Like that place was when you ordered, she didn't speak much English. You had to write your order down based on numbers. And then the noodle master,

you'd hear him in the back. Wow. Wow. He's slapping noodles in the back, like making them fresh for you that was insane so i just i just when i saw that on here i was like okay i want to hear about that a little bit that's my final food question i have no wrestling questions that that that does seem to be a running theme with you with uh you know ordering food with with

numbers either number one or number two right right? Yep. Breakfast one, breakfast two. With or without brown water. So, Big Joey, why should Tommy and Tanner make it out to Home Gym Con? Oh, they definitely need to make it out to Home Gym Con. I knew that I would like seeing all of the equipment

when I went to Home Gym Con. There were two reasons why I went the first year. One was I wanted to see the different equipment that was going to be there. And then two was it was only an hour and a half for me. And so this year, it's still only an hour and a half for me. So I've got that going for me. But what I underestimated was just how cool it would be to meet all of the other home gym owners and all of the other people there that just like to kind of nerd out on gym equipment. So I highly recommend that they make it out to Home Gym Con. They're going to have a great time.

They're going to meet a lot of great people. They're going to get to try out a bunch of stuff you know i don't know i don't remember how they're doing on the like 2024 barbell purchase meter but if they go to home gym con they're they're probably gonna like put down payments on like four or five more yeah you think but they're flying though so i feel like that might put a damper on the barbell purchasing you can you're gonna order them they'll they'll ship them to you yeah yeah i i think about like uh guitar players who are like there's a lot of really good stories about dudes like flying out to somewhere and finding the guitar they had to have

and like didn't want to pay for shipping and are just like breaking it down into the smallest pieces so that they can fit it in their bag and get it in their carry on. Cause they don't trust ship, uh, put it under the, under the plane. I imagine, you know,

Tanner gets out there, finds like an original buddy caps barbell and is like doing everything he can buying a ticket for it on the plane, the whole nine yards. It's just Tanner barbell, Tommy on the plane. Well, the best part is if they find stuff that they do want to want to keep, It's just Tanner, Barbell, Tommy on the plane. Well, the best part is if they find stuff that they do want to keep, we can just have a crew take it safely. We can transfer it up the country, you know, little bit by little bit.

Pass it house by house. Yeah, exactly. So funny. Speaking of crew, have you met many crew in person? Funny. Speaking of crew, have you met, uh, have you, have you met many crew in person? Um, I met a few crew in person at home gym con. Um, so I, uh, met the big Kurt locker while I was there.

Um, uh, I met big Rob. I think he's crew. I know he's been on the mass. I don't actually know if he's crew Hogan, um, Hogan's crew. I met Hogan while I was there. Uh, cause he was taking the lizard around,

which was awesome. Yep. Um, big, but yeah, I haven't met a big, big Chris at Belfast just recently joined. Uh,

he wasn't crew last year, but he is currently. So it was met big Chris, Chris and Randy. so any plans to maybe make it out to a lift hard live easy in the future or a crew falls made up uh i don't know if lift hard live easy will work out for me this year i'm definitely not signed up to to lift in it but i would love to go and and just cheer everybody on. I didn't lift last year, so everybody else lifted, and I just went and was a menace.

And I assure you, we need some menaces. We need some crew that aren't lifting, that are just there to have fun, scream, video. And I was walking around, I was helping Tanner and Tommy, I helped the Barefoot. I was just there as a loose unpaid and underrated I think we're we weren't even a month in at that point right

mmm made a about two months I think yeah yeah made a middle of July and that led me some credibility where people were like people were like we know who you are kinda so like yeah even if you're not if you're not

lifting and can make it in a way that isn't gonna like break your bank or anything yeah show up man like even if you're not lifting come and be i assure you you will not regret any second of being there unless you hate unless you hate alcohol over consumption of high fatty foods and people laughing at each other if you hate those three things you might not have fun here but if you like any of those three things like you're gonna have a great time i am a teetotaler so i don't actually like alcohol, but I do like those other things. Yeah, having fun and just being ridiculous are two of the other great things, right? Alcohol is going to flow like wine.

We know that, but that's out of our hands, right? Yep. So we'll hit you with one we always try to hit everyone with. I think we might have actually forgot it a couple of episodes ago. So sorry about that if we ever didn't get to answer it. But one piece of Massanomics merch that you missed out on that you wish you had gotten. Ah, I have an answer prepared for this one.

Nice. It's got to be the Strongman 8-bit shirt. When I did my first Massanomics order, I ordered the powerlifting 8-bit shirt and i was like oh i should probably get the strongman 8-bit too like i know i don't do strongman but it but i love that style it's it's just really cool and you know would love to do a strongman show one day uh one of my lifting dreams is to lift the Denny stones. I would love to do that. But yeah, I missed out on it.

And so I, I just keep hoping that they'll bring it back with, with some sizes that aren't extra small. How far from Keith are you? Like, right. Like 10 hours, probably.

Oh, fuck. Yeah. Pretty far. All right. Yeah. It would take me 10 hours to get to age to home gym con. So depending on which side of LA,

Indiana you're on. Yeah. I'm closer to Joey than Keith is. All right. At some point I'm going to Keith's with my Denny stone replicas and we're going to all have too much fun doing it. he didn't say he wanted to lift replicas, Joey.

He said he wanted to lift the Denny stones. Yeah. Well, you know what? You know how you practice things? You gotta start. He wanted to lift the Denny stones. Yeah, well, you know what?

You know how you practice things? You gotta start. I've got replica rings that have a moderate rating. So one of the things I want to do in my life is meet Arnold Schwarzenegger. So I went to this wax museum, and I met Arnold Schwarzenegger. No, Joey! It doesn't count!

That's fair. Fine. I feel like the wax museum is cheaper. Just saying. Probably not. Even if the Arnold doesn't just happen to meet him. I do agree that it's a good shirt, though. I think I've had it in my email reminder

for when it comes back in stock for like a year, waiting for it to come back. I mean, not a year, but at least several months. So hopefully we see that in some right-sized blanks in the future. I feel like that's one that could definitely come back, though. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure. I would think so.

Are all the 8-bits sold out now? Powerlifting, I think, is still available. I don't know if there's any Highland game ones, though. Probably not. But I know the Powerlifting. They had a couple of smaller sizes the last time I checked. Until big 8-bit sends their cease and desist. Yes.

Nintendo's coming for him. Um, so you had mentioned powerlifting and strong man. What have you actually competed in? What's your, uh, what if like what's sanctioned or non-sanctioned? Well,

what have you done? Yeah. Um, I've done three powerlifting meets that were sanctioned. Um, so those were all US, US, no,

USAPL. Yep. Yeah. USA powerlifting. Yep. No, USPA. There's USPA.

Whichever one's non-tested. USPA is non-tested and you can wear it. USPA is what I did just because they were more convenient. untested and you can wear it. USPA is what I did just because they were more convenient. So I did that in 2018 and 2019. I haven't done a sanctioned comp since then. All my comps have been the garage gym competition. So I've been doing those at home, which those are a lot of fun, but I definitely miss like

the the platform and the energy and excitement that you get uh at a at an in-person competition it feels like you should really sign up to be on the live hard live easy if you want excitement you try getting yelled at a random dude who's mad that you're cheering for your friends. No, that's definitely employer. You find, find a meet,

you know, it's, it's, it's, I mean, you're going to have the, you know, uh, are you going to try to do the,

uh, the garage gym competition at home? Gym con as the replacement for the bales of steel, you know, canceled meat. Right, right. I,

I'm undecided on if I want to try to do it at home, gym, gym con, or just, uh, wait a couple extra try to do it at home gym gym con or just uh wait a couple extra weeks and do it at home um yeah because i'm well i may want to see just like how they end up setting it up because they did say that they were going to maybe do something unique with it where you kind of have like a round robin stations like maybe you do the squats at one company's booth and then you do like the

bench press at another and then like the deadlift on some platform and stuff like that yeah i just feel that'd be like awkward like for me to like if i'm actually going to take it serious and like like i can put my knee sleeves and my belt on and everything it's like i'm not going to try to do that at like fucking two o'clock in the middle of an expo with like 200 people around not giving a shit about your lifting trying to like talk to the talk to the vendors and like buy equipment and shit so like i don't know it doesn't really i don't i i'm i'm already spending a lot of money to travel to go to a lifting meet i don't think i want to do it twice you know what i mean like home gym con to me is a vacation to like hang out with the boys not necessarily blow my wad

like trying to lift heavy i'll save that for july and i have i have considered doing like the deadlift party of that comes back. So just, you know, throwing on some straps seeing how much I can pull. Yeah, that could be fun. Just don't don't don't rip your shins up like that asshole did last year. That was disgusting. I was like, dude, like I've

never like been like, oh my god, you should wear deadlift socks. That kid should wear deadlift socks. That was horrendous. Yep. Oh, all right um i want to hear about burning refrigerators and why they're in here is there a story there i love that reaction uh so i've never set a refrigerator on fire but uh i can tell you why that made it in the show notes. I had a couple people mention it. I've never set a refrigerator on fire,

but boy, do I love watching them burn. I kind of feel how this is going to go. But I know someone who's really good at it, and they're my best bud. Also, just note, burning a refrigerator would make a great Midwest emo EP title. Just putting that out there, if anyone wants to take that. Or a podcast title.

It's not like an official social network, but I belong to a Slack group that we call The Parlor. So it's just a bunch of friends from all over the country. And early on when I joined, I said, oh, remind me to tell you the fridge fire story. And then every couple of months, someone would say, hey, Joey, you haven't told us the fridge fire story yet. It's like, oh, yeah, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. It's been. eight years i think in that in that slack and i've never told the fridge fire story um i think i told it once in

person because we did a couple of meetups like uh in 2018 and 2019 um so i think I did tell it to a few folks in person. But yeah, I've just I've never told them the fridge fire story. And, you know, just looking at the time, I think we should save that for the next time I'm on the podcast. And then I'll be sure to tell the fridge fire story for everybody. We can do that. And you can, you know, play your cards close to your chest like Big Tanner does with the member of the guy kicked out of the gym story that only a select few of us have actually heard so i you know keep keep your secrets i have joey questions i have so many joey questions there's a couple things in here that i wanted to ask about being a joey is so fucking hard sometimes being a joey is so fucking hard sometimes so we like people want us when we look like we do beard i am going to eventually ask about your hair can i get that out of the way first

so i went back and january 19th you did not and now you do tell us about the purple hair because i love it i absolutely love it it reminds me of Blanche Devereaux. Tell me why you have Blanche Devereaux hair. Well, because Golden Girls is amazing. The best show ever made. Correct. The purple hair is just something I do every few months.

It's fun. I like it. My wife has gotten really good at bleaching and dyeing my hair. Um, so when I lived in San Francisco, I got it done professionally a couple times. Um, but, but now we just do it at home. Um, and yeah, it's fun. It's, uh, kind of tying it back to home gym con. Uh, when i went to home gym con last year i dyed my hair purple like maybe a few weeks beforehand and so as soon as people saw me in the convention center they're like hey i know who you are i recognize you from the hair um so yeah i think it's just a fun thing to do uh i think if you have the opportunity to try a different color people

should go for it yeah i did um i did my nails black for the last meet i just do my nails black every once in a while when i'm feeling particularly like it's time to get goth and then um the company that does the photos like the professional photos they shared a picture of me slapping chalk at some point and it was so gorgeous because like like i remember seeing it and my it's like i'm scrolling because they didn't tag me because i don't think they knew it was me but like it's big hairy arms there's all the tattoos and the black nails i was like what the fuck is this and i was like oh wait those are my tattoos and black nails and like just sometimes you like sometimes you just gotta you gotta just like go to that next I was like, what the fuck is this? And I was like, oh wait, those are my tattoos and black nails. And like, just sometimes you like, sometimes you just gotta, you gotta just like go to that next level.

Okay. I have an FMK. This is a Joey. Okay. Okay. And then I think there's another one in here that's about us having the name Joey. Okay. So FMK, which we know the rules right yep okay joey from friends obviously i was

gonna bring that one up that fucking joey baby song yeah uh-huh i don't think i know that i don't either oh i'll find out the artist in just a second. And being called a baby kangaroo for your entire life, despite the fact that Tasmanian devils are also Joey's, they're also Joey's. I would never make that joke. Uh-huh. Hold on.

Let me get this Joey baby song. I can't believe you guys don't know this. I saw that in the show notes and I was like, do I? Maybe it's because I don't have kids. It's by Concrete Blonde. Isn't that blonde? All right. So that one might flop a bit, but I can

assure you, Joey, when you hear it, you have heard it a thousand times. And it's the worst song. And people just sing it to me all the time. As soon as I'm like, my name's Joey. And they're over the age of 50. They're like, Joey, baby. I'm like, no, that song sucks.

It's a terrible song. Concrete Blonde sucks. And you suck. If I remember, I'll put that in in post. Y'all can hear it. No, you'll get us blocked on the YouTubes. We'll never get around to getting that over. I don't think we're going to get on the YouTubes.

Everyone keeps asking about the YouTube it'll get there it's automatic but if that's the case I can just give you a hint of the song right now because this song has haunted me my entire life and I want another I want another Joey

that's mean it's blocking it out it's not picking up anything. Kind of. It's not coming through. That's not coming through? It literally started right at the end. That's a compression algorithm.

Good, fuck that song forever and ever. It's just Joey, baby. I'll just preemptively kill the song. Please. Just based on your reaction alone. Please. But now you're stuck with Joey from Friends or being called

a baby kangaroo for the rest of your life. Between those two I'm gonna marry being called a baby kangaroo for the rest of my life and fuck Joey Tribbiani. Cause, uh,

cause how you doing? I was never a friend of friends. Yeah. That show sucks. Yeah. But I mean, at least it's not ugly. Wait,

what are we ugly? Like what, what does that mean? No. Cause if that's true, if that's, no, I mean,

if you have to fuck a Joey, yeah, I mean, I just, I mean, if you're gonna fuck a joey it's got to be one of the attractive ones on your podcast it wasn't on the list joey relax relax this isn't this isn't about you it was one of those things that as soon as i learned that all marsupial babies are called joey's that includes tasmanian devils. That includes koala bears. That includes possums. I was just like, can you stop calling me a kangaroo and choose one of like the cooler ones?

And then realizing kangaroos are the cooler ones eventually. But yeah, you guys, I mean, kangaroos are, they're scary. Yeah. They will fuck you up.

I'd still not as, still not as scary as Tasmanian Devils those fuckers that's true those guys are wild like they there's literally a cancer named after Tasmanian Devils because they chew on each other's face

so much that it just develops giant pox and a cancer because they're just so mean and vicious that they have their own form of inbred cancer. So, yeah.

Tasmania devils are the cooler versions of marsupials. What are you blowing kisses at? My wife came to say goodnight just going to bed okay and then there's one more Joey question I have there's one more Joey question I have when we ask people sometimes for nicknames

that might make people kind of like laugh or catch them on guard I have here and I'm going to just say this that might make people kind of like laugh or catch them on guard. I have here, and I'm going to just say this exactly how it's written. Joey, a real gleeful E at the end. And then I wrote in brackets, no, every Joey has this. How much do you love being called joey uh so i'm pretty sure i know who sent you that note uh because i've only got a couple of friends that do that and the nice thing is they don't do it all the time um but uh I used to work with them. And so when it was fun, when you would like walk into a room and you just get this exaggerated

announcement. Um, so, so I will say it is fun in small doses. Yeah, correct. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, and then one day I was like, um, I think my brother was typing really fast. And they autocorrected Joey to JPEG. And they have never let that go. I think that's the most original and funny name I've ever been given is JPEG.

Because it's just like if you're going yeah the letters make sense like you miss them and then it just auto corrects that so every once in a while i get called jpeg and i just got to go you know what guys that's the most original one i appreciate that uh something i think about sometimes is if i ever get sick of going by Joey, I can instead go by Joe and then my last initial and it'll be perfect. I was going to mention that earlier because I was like, I was going to call you. I was going to call Joey, Joey, but it's the same fucking name. It's like Joey is so hard to say. It's literally like a tongue twister.

Yeah, no, it's Joe. Joey. Yeah, yeah no that's good stuff all right i'm done with the joey stuff i had i don't get a lot of other joeys that i get to like fucking rant about with this kind of stuff so we should just get joe on next week who get the other get the other joe um i guess i'll go with two things probably we could probably move into unpaid um do you want to talk about cruises at all and how you're a big fan and you met your, uh, you met your partner and your wife on the cruises and what the hell is Joe? Is, is, is Joko something we're supposed to be familiar with?

Or is that just something you specific someone that could mention Joko cruises like three different times. So I just, I've never heard of it, but I'm not a cruise guy. So, uh, so I, I became a cruise guy for a while um starting with the joko cruise uh so joko is short for jonathan colton um so he's an internet musician um that i think maybe joey's heard of based on his reaction i'm not sure no i just really love that i just love the way you described it i became i became a big joko guy for a bit i was like i fucking love that. I just really love the way you described it. I became, I became a big Joko guy for a bit.

I was like, I can love that sentence. Um, joke. Yeah. So he just, he just put out like, I would say nerdy music,

um, is the best way to, to describe it when he, the first time he kind of blew up. Um, he did this challenge called Thing-A-Week where he was trying to put out a new song every week and he did that successfully for 52 weeks in a row. So a lot of those songs were terrible.

A lot of them were really good. And in 2011, he and some of his other musician buddies thought it would be funny if they started a fan cruise for himself and they did. And it just kind of like turned into this giant nerd summer camp. Um, so they hosted every year and it just, the cool thing is it brings out all kinds of different nerds there's like music nerds there's computer nerds there's video game nerds there's board game nerds um there's even some lifting nerds that go on it uh and it's it's just a a fun experience um you know it does take place on a cruise ship so you have to be comfortable with like the potential of motion sickness and, uh, making sure that you're washing your

hands regularly so you don't get sick and stuff like that. But, uh, but it's, it's surprisingly a lot of fun. The, the one thing I like about a cruise is you get to visit different places without ever having to pack up your bag and like change hotels. Um, cause that's, that's the worst part about like a multi-city vacation. without ever having to pack up your bag and change hotels. Because that's the worst part about a multi-city vacation. That sounds like your adult life has been a multi-city vacation, right? Just moving one place to the next.

Sometimes I just want to make it easier and go on the cruise. Sometimes life is a cruise, baby. We've got a ton more stuff, but I think we might do an extended, unpaid or underrated, just depending on what we... There's a lot here. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Whoa. Is Jonathan Colton the dude that did the...

I assume you probably know what this is. Accidental Tech Podcast, ATP, like Marco Armit, John Syracuse, Casey List, their podcast. Do you know what that is? I don't, but he might have. There's a guy also.

Yeah, go ahead. There's a dude that was doing like a song a day, song a week challenge. And part of it was probably him. And at one point he just wrote a theme song for this incredibly popular podcast and they use it every week. I could Google this. I'll Google this. And OK, I just the guy or can I just pull up my phone

and Google it? Oh, I just wanted to ask because then we could have a moment. His most famous song is probably he did the theme song for Portal. So if you've ever played Portal or know that song, he did Still Alive.

That was the name of the theme song for portal yeah that's huge but he didn't write the uh the baby joey song right no the joey baby song it's unconfirmed okay i'm done i'm gonna tell you right now when we're done this we're all gonna go and you're gonna listen to this song i will never listen to it. You're going to go, oh no, I hate that fucking song. Oh, I know. I know it's coming. It was Jonathan. It was Jonathan Mann, not Jonathan

Colton. Different Jonathan. Jonathan Mann. Too many Jonathans writing nerdy songs. Too many Jonathans. There you have it. Alright. Alright. You want to play a little Mount Rushmore game Joey okay so this one might fall flat if you're not

you know I guess if you don't take your work home with you this might fall flat so the Mount Rushmore Netflix original material so movies shows whatever top four Netflix shows or movies you've consumed I'm gonna say

Stranger Things. I think that's still my favorite show that Netflix has put out. I'm in. I'm in. This is probably recency bias, but Fall of the House of Usher I thought was amazing. Hell yes. It

absolutely was. Are we horror fan was yep are we horror fan friends are we horror fan friends like is that something we should have been talking about more i think we are it wasn't it was show notes god i could have went on more about that i didn't get it um adding to the same theme midnight mass uh a lot of people complain about the pacing on that one, but it's still one of my favorites. That's a miniseries, right? That was a miniseries, yeah. I don't think I watched it.

I can't figure out that one. It's a good one. I'll put it on the list. I'll watch that one. And my fourth one... what do i go with um i think for the fourth one and i'll be curious if anyone on the podcast has uh has seen this um i'm blanking the name of it Centaur World

it was an animated series that they did two seasons of but it's amazing nice and for the listeners at home real time follow up Keith has only rated one of those movies on glazesearch.com uh that would be stranger things

and he rated it a nine there we go all right so i did watch midnight mass i loved midnight mass what is that so it's uh i haven't heard of it it's a weirdly horror adjacent thing it takes place on a on an island yeah um and the guy from i zombie that's why i watched it the british indian dude from i zombie was in that as the as the sergeant yeah not in this he's amazing at this so i distinctly remember that's why it got shown to me because i watched a zombie religiously good show yes it was awesome good show yeah and that's why i watched midnight uh mass but i did not watch the last one centaur um uh i did not watch that one so yeah we're definitely god i wish i had more info on that one before it started i think we are definitely horror friends. Damn it. There could have been so much more content.

You can always manipulate your unpaid or underrated to dictate that if you want. But I think it's time we move into a little unpaid or underrated. You are familiar, Joey. Do you want to explain to any new listeners? We might have a new listener. Do you want to give them the rundown of unpaid

or underrated for us? Yeah, so pretty much I'm going to be given some handpicked topics for me. I have to decide if they're unpaid or underrated. You may have seen on some bootleg shows that unpaid is the same as overrated, but unpaid is the original. Unpaid and underrated is definitely the original um i have my druthers so i can uh i can i can add druthers as needed but uh the one rule is i'm not allowed to i believe the way keith says it is ride two asses with one horse that's the correct ruling.

You got that correct. Okay. I fucked that analogy up a time or two for sure. All right, so. You did what with the horse? Yeah. Well, there's three hosts, so I say we at least get two each,

and then maybe some bonus ones at the end, so I'll kick off. I'm going to go unpaid or underrated for Big Joey E. Marriage proposals via PowerPoint. I'm going to say that they're underrated. Even though the one time I was proposed marriage via PowerPoint,

I said, no, this proposal came about because my friend Aaron was basically saying like, hey, if you know, we're really good friends, we get along really well. What have we just got married, kind of combined our, our assets and, and just had a great time like hanging out and and having fun um it was a very well done powerpoint presentation i'll also say that it was it was very convincing but uh in the end i i wanted to hold out for love so i was uh too sappy to to accept that marriage proposal that's fair okay so that is we're gonna give and give you that one underrated so my second one oh so many good ones um being a

landlord unpaid or underrated uh being a landlord is definitely unpaid. Um, it's, there are circumstances where it can make a lot of sense. And one of those was when I lived in San Francisco. So in San Francisco, I was able to buy a duplex and live in one of the units and rent out the other unit. Um, and that's basically what made it possible for me to afford the house. So it was it was, you know, a good thing as far as that goes. But you're always dealing with things breaking. You're always doing maintenance. I never had any problems with tenants or anything like that. It was, you know, always had good luck there.

But yeah, I would say being a landlord is is is unpaid there's a a lot of better things that you can do with your time what are california's property taxes like i live in new york and it's outrageous so i have no i'm just i'm curious the they actually weren't that bad so it's so it's interesting in my... It's a valid question. My two brothers are giving me shit for this. It's an extremely valid question. It's like... And it could be answered in 30 seconds. It's not like it's going to...

The look on my face. I'm just like, oh, we don't do that on here. It's just so funny. It's actually not bad. The property taxes in California are fairly reasonable. You pay a pretty high income tax. Um, I think the top bracket there is like 10 or 11% income tax,

but the property taxes aren't bad. All right. Um, I figure each coastal do two. And then if we have a couple of extra, we can do some, some bonus rounds. If,

uh, Nate or Joey want to hop in. Oh, I've got, I have three. I don't know. That's fine. I mean,

dudes, I don't care. All right. We I mean, dudes, I don't care. All right. We're definitely, we're going to take Unpaid Underrated a little far because I think we're all just very interested in Joey. And it's been kind of funny that like, I was going through the show notes and I was like, I don't know how much of this, but as I'm talking, I was like, no, I have a thousand more questions.

I have so much I want to talk about. So yeah, Nate, go ahead, man. Do your thing. So the first one came to me upon a story that you told us. So unpaid or underrated, the song I've Been Everywhere by Johnny Cash. See, this is definitely one of those ones where... um oh that's see this is definitely one of those ones where

the answer has to go based on the popular opinion and I think the popular opinion is that that song is really really good so I think based on that it's just a little bit unpaid like it's a great song but it's just a little bit unpaid. It's a great song, but it's just a

little bit loved better than it is. It's tough. Johnny Cash. I think I asked a Johnny Cash question to Keith and Joey. I guess that's my bit now. So I actually looked up that song, and that song is

161 different variations based on every country yeah it was actually originally written by an australian person yeah i didn't think it was originally johnny cash i was thinking about that okay well that's what i said i was like no let's pull it back and see if we can pull who originally did it and then i think the the most recent one was during covid which was i ain't been anywhere man and it's just about like like watching movies, dipping back and forth between their bedrooms. And I was like, you know, like, I'm going to look up that. So yeah, that's not a, that's not a JK original.

They're a J cash original. JC. JC. J cash. Cash. As the Americans would say it, a JK. All right. Next question. This is a huge one um o'reilly publishing o'reilly books uh yeah so they are underrated um and i'm pretty sure this got added to the list because I am a published author.

I wrote a book called Hadoop Security that nobody listening to this podcast has ever read. And if you have read it, I apologize. I would recommend if you have the opportunity and your employer will pay you to write a book, do it. But if you're just writing a book on your own, don't do it. Makes sense. But O'Reilly Media, they treated me really well, and they were very supportive, so I would say that they're underrated.

And you're saying that as someone who wrote nonfiction. That's a whole other level of of like, you wrote a book. Um, and all that stuff has, uh, that's legit. There was no vampire sex at all. And you still got published. Like that's a thing to be. Joey, did you read it? Do you know there's no vampire sex?

Uh, I do read. I actually, if you pay attention to, I think last week or the week before I only read nonfiction. Uh, but no, I did not read that. Cybersecurity is not my favorite. Feel free to pick up like one or 50 copies, whatever floats your boat. You still get residuals on that, baby? I think if everyone in crew buys a copy of my book, I'll have enough money to buy a round of beers for the hosts of this podcast. If we bring it to...

Yeah, but if I buy one copy, will you show up to the Lift Hard, Live Easy? Because I can make that happen and I can prove that. Can we get physical copies? Can we get it signed? What are we are we talking here you can still buy physical copies i'm pretty sure um i i will see if i can i can swing it but if you get a physical copy and i do make it out to the live easy i will sign it for you no will you you know in the i'm gonna make that happen i'm buying a copy of that book. I'm not going to read it, probably, but I want it, and I want it signed.

I'll read it. Probably not. Read a Riley book that's ever been given to me, I'm like, woof, this looks so useful, and then I don't read it. Really, again, Joey, real developer, writes O'Reilly books. That's how good he is. Nathan, bad developer. Gets O'Reilly books, doesn't read them.

Look, I will tell you the secret, though. I get paid the same commission if you read the book or don't read the book. Yeah, exactly. That's done. When I started my most recent job, I wasn't a.NET developer to start with. I started in PHP and stuff. So we started doing a bunch of.NET. And the owner, my employer was like, here, here's a bunch of like O'Reilly books.

You can read these. And I was just like, great, I'll get right on that. I was like, will he know if I don't read these? Because there's zero chance. There's so much. And they're actually really helpful. Like I've used them as references. Like, oh, these are really good. I should read this, but I'm still not gonna read it

no chance they're usually better for reference to for sure for sure alright last one this should be simple leet code unpaid or underrated as a big tech worker thoughts on leet code underrated

100% underrated like you can't have enough leet speak in your life. You say leet speak. Pull this out, Nate. Are we calling people noobs? I'm getting nerds.

Are we on the same wavelength? I'm not a big leetcode guy but I know big tech people are I got buddies that are like I want to apply for the big five all I do is answer leetcode questions leetspeak leetcode

the website you go you do all the problems you said leetspeak are we on different wavelengths I'm not I'm on different wavelengths let me get back on your level. I have never done leak code. Okay, good. I think it's, I, yeah, so I'm not, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say this, but I think

it's overrated and just, I like, I will use that word. I think you mean unpaid. No, I, I, it is overrated out of this game. I don't understand. Nate shows up to one podcast and bombs no no no this is this isn't part of the game this is my my personal opinion it's overrated um okay so we're on different wavelengths but yes lead speak yeah let's get let's get more of that going for sure yeah leads lead speak underrated uh i'll just i'll just go along with your opinion and say that lead code isn't paid yeah

but lead speak is FTW for the win yeah it's for the win yeah yeah I have to explain things for the listeners for the Davids they need to explain to them

yeah GG no re let's move on um ong all right so yeah ong for real for real on god on god yeah you know i guess i have like three that are just two are netflix based i just ran when i just paused for the last time i ran out and asked my my life if we have any like netflix ones that we want to chat about and then one that isn't okay so uh unpaid or underrated it's one of her favorites i even kind of liked it uh the dragon prince i have not seen it okay so that that's fair that's fair right that was a risk uh it was just based on the the anime one from earlier but uh you know like i don't like anime i don't like the animation style

i actually fucking hated the animation style but i really liked the storyline of the dragon prince i wanted to see if you were if you're familiar with that so we'll move on to the next one um last train to busan unpaid or underrated i also i also haven't seen that one unfortunately really okay if only he had a website that could tell us everything that he's seen uh so my challenge to you honestly if you are like we were kind of hinting there like we might be horror friends you've got to watch last train to basan uh it is a korean zombie movie uh where the they have this idea where they if they get on this train to get out of their town that they will somehow survive uh probably the best zombie thing ever made since like some of the original zombie stuff i don't think netflix has it i feel like i watched it

on netflix originally on there it's on my watch list i thought it it may have left i can check um i will tell you i have a netflix superpower which is i have the ability to basically travel to any country without leaving my house so if it's available in any of the countries that netflix streams then i can watch it for debugging purposes so you have i can watch it i can watch it you have me and keith telling you it's still on there definitely watch last train to busan okay i'm gonna be we're going to be horror friends here, absolutely, that movie is top tier. So I'm O for two.

Literally, it all comes down to this one. Yeah, this is the last one. This one holds all the marbles. Unpaid or underrated, The Boo at the Zoo. last one. This one holds all the marbles. Unpaid or underrated, the Boo at the Zoo. Boo at the Zoo is definitely underrated. So for people that don't

know, it's a costume contest around the time of Halloween. I participated two years in a row in Melbourne, Florida. I've never lived in Melbourne, Florida, but I did a group Halloween costumes with my friends and we won both years. I will tell you though, the first year I did it, I thought it was like just that one weekend that we went. And I learned later on that they did it like five weekends in a row.

And so I was disappointed that we weren't just like the best costume of the entire Halloween season. But yeah, it is definitely underrated. Okay, so in all fairness, just one more thing. What was your favorite costume? Probably the first year that I did it, we did a whole Finding Nemo theme, and I was dressed up as a sea anemone. But if you look at a picture of me, I look like a box of French fries. Because I've got pool noodles sticking out of a shirt with some

fish drawn on the shirt. We had notes on a pool noodle costume, I believe, somewhere. Some udon noodles? He said he had udon noodles flying out. Well done. Well done, Harkin.

Full circle. Someone's got to pay attention here. Get the YouTube links the jokes well i think everyone had three i only got two so i'm gonna throw one more at you real quick before we move on uh oh so many good ones uh android devices uh android devices are unpaid i'm a uh a bit of an apple fanboy um my first two smartphones were were android devices and they were fine they they worked they could make phone calls they could kind of run apps um run apps but yeah that one uh threw me because like most like tech anyone i know that's like super techie i always feel like our android guys so i don't know no no no hard disagree it depends my personal interactions with a handful of techie guys i want to put i want to put one thing out there for techie people the google nexus 6p gigantic phone incredible camera

probably the greatest android phone i've ever owned huawei made it actually like huawei did that was their last uh with with google no i think the nexus 5 might have been the huawei's last one god that phone was the best phone I think I've ever owned in my life. And that's been Apple since. I've just been Apple since. It's just so reliable. It's easier.

Sorry. I just want to say most young, stupid techie people, sorry to say this, are definitely, I hate Apple. Apple's the worst.

I do all of my Android stuff. But at the end of the day, no, just, I just get Apple. God, it's so much easier. Getting my wife on an Apple phone the other day was pretty, or like a few months ago, was pretty awesome. She still doesn't know when I podcast,

but she does have an Apple phone at other day was pretty, or like a few months ago, it was pretty awesome. She still doesn't know when I podcast, but she does have an Apple phone at least. Yeah. All right. And that, uh, that will round out unpaid or underrated. So it'll move us into one of our last topics here. Uh, big Joey, do you have anything for at least two of the three hosts? Cause we had a little extra host. So I don't know if we can have you, if you got anything for him on the fly or if there

are something we can round Robin and I'll answer, but, uh, hit us with whatever you got, for him on the fly or if there are something we can round robin and i'll answer but uh hit us with whatever you got bud yeah so uh i'll just start reading some of my questions and anyone can can dive in um what is it like to run a meme page on instagram with almost 20 000 followers i don't know don't know oh oh i'm sorry this is embarrassing I was told Matt was going to be here hey this is I'm sorry let me just we couldn't get Matt and that's why I'm here I'm sorry I mean

fast improvement if you ask me I didn't say it it wasn't me Keith said it wait wait Matt has 20,000 followers? Yeah He does, yeah 19.8 thousand A fucking guy

Okay, so he doesn't have 20,000 followers, let's just set that straight Yeah, so he's close to funny He's funny adjacent I run data analysis Not 20,000 Come back to me when you're at 20 you unfunny bastard he'll probably be at 20 by the time dinner is actually ready

so it's funny because he smokes me and it doesn't get ready on time explain that one for Keith thanks because you're explaining jokes now so happy you're here alright Joe what else do you have Thanks, because you're explaining jokes now. So happy you're here. All right, Joe.

What else do you have? So one of the things I like to post on my Instagram stories is rate the RPE. So I'll show videos of my lifts and I'll ask people to vote on what they think the RPE was. people to vote on what they think the RPE was. So I decided to come up with a list of just kind of like everyday things and ask the hosts to rate it on an RPE scale. So anyone can chime in with these waking up early. RPE 5. Not hard. Yeah, not hard for Keith.

I mean, I think it depends on the day's readiness. Some days it's harder than others. Keith and I are early people. I know that because Keith and I will be texting and then Joey will text back. Three hours later. Three hours later. But I don't know probably like a

five or six lately three kids in it's getting more and more difficult i feel like as the years progress because you don't get to go to sleep earlier that's the biggest problem yeah um but yeah five six uh it's probably a fair RPE Joey how about you so full disclosure if I don't have anything to drink if I am completely hydrated if my kids haven't yeah if my kids

haven't woken me up 16 fucking times in the night I can get up at 5 o'clock and I'm good I'm good for the whole day and actually this morning I was up at 5 o'clock and i'm good i'm good for the whole day and actually this morning i was up at five o'clock and laying in bed going well how do i go to the gym without waking the kids up and blah blah so i've been up since five o'clock this morning those days are six seven rps uh days like where i have a couple beers and the kids have kept me up till 11 p.m so yeah those are the three tonight fucking rps i actually love like i actually love waking up

very early and i go out of my way to try and do it i i bought a um a new alarm clock which i think you guys can kind of see that see that red behind me that's what that is yeah so that red behind me is actually a white noise machine that is also a sunrise simulator because i got sick of being woken up by the annoying sound of alarms so that thing will simulate a sunrise for 10 minutes before my alarm i'm always awake before the alarm because i don't i don't want to be jolted awake jolted awake is so bad for you and i'm now i'm going to become the fucking guy on the podcast that does the like but like it's so bad for you and it it your day starts where you're mad you're mad when your alarm goes and you fucking wake up and you're like so i started doing a little bit of a different thing

where i just yeah i could easily wake up most days earlier than most tomorrow i'll be up at 6 a.m and be fine i'll be grumpy for probably the first 15-20 minutes, but that's just when all the warm liquids, the pee, the coffee, the shower, all that warm liquid morning shit starts. And then I'll be fine. It's now the Huberman podcast. It's now the Huberman podcast. Sort of in the same subject area. Going to bed early. Or P10. I have no clue what you're talking about.

Work till 7 o'clock. Come home. Get the kids ready. Get dinner ready. Get the beer ready. Get the cooler ready. Do the podcast up till 11, 12, 30 p.m. Yeah, there's no such thing anymore. Nah, that's like a five. Fuck you. Must be nice.

Mister, I'm not even going to edit this week. I'm so tired. I hope there's nothing I'm missing it's never tired it's just the amount of hours in the day run out it is funny because like nate or joey and i'll still be texting back and forth like after 10 o'clock and nate will never chime in and then yes like nate and i'll be going at like five or six some mornings too before joy so what we learned is not that joy doesn't chime in sometimes but like yeah that's just funny so what we learned is keith doesn't sleep is what we're learning but also i get a good five hours but to be fair to be a fat i just don't look at my phone it's not that i'm not awake or that i don't

like acknowledge it i just have set times where there's no screens this is the huberman podcast yeah i don't want it. I don't want screens are bad for you. They're going to murder you. Yeah, we've been on for three hours. Yeah, I just don't want to do this anymore. Too many screens. No, I yeah, I love this game though. Rating

rating everyday shit on an RPE scale like I love RPE. This is fantastic. This is great. I will say I think it is difficult to get to bed early. I think it's very difficult to get to, to like doing things that are regimented and like not something that everyone does is difficult. Like there's a reason that I go to bed at 10 30 every night and reason

that I wake up at five 30 every night. It's because like I have six million things to do in between those hours. And if I don't sleep between those hours one waking up at 5 30 to lift when you don't get sleep the night before is the worst experience you will have in your life like waking up just absolutely exhausted just sucks so it's like i need to sleep for seven hours or just everything just falls on its face because it's like you know work out in the morning feel terrible start working for eight hours at a screen and you're just like to joey's point screens will kill you

it is like within an hour six of the day i'm dead so it's like it's hard like doing anything you know to get touchy-feely andrew huberman like you gotta set the regimen the schedule and it's not easy I'm in sales right so like I might wake up at 6am tomorrow morning I might wake up 5am whatever time I wake up I'm gonna go to work

and I'm only there because people need things from me and it's an entire 8 hours of just people needing things from me and it's an entire eight hours of just people needing things from me and it's just a hard thing at some point where like yeah like you're not you can't go at 4 30 and lift because you've literally been drained by vampires for eight hours and i i get like that's nothing on them that's literally what pays me it's not it's not a negative review of those people but like yeah like you're just fucking exhausted and then you go home

and now toddlers need you and wives need you and children need you and you don't get to go to bed till they're in bed and yeah going to bed early is definitely RPE fucking 10 for me because you just don't have the option and then some fucking dummy makes you record on a Tuesday you're the one that's gotta go yeah I'm the fucking dummy

I'm the fucking dummy right now that's making us record on a Tuesday I was like this is a Joey this was a Joey thing I thought we were recording on Monday yeah this is a Joey. This was a Joey thing. I thought we were recording on Monday. Yeah, this is the fucking dummy. I'm the dummy. Who are you, my wife?

I'm just Joey. Oh, yeah, he fucking DM'd me last night, and I was like, wait, no, we're not. What? What? No, we're not recording tomorrow. Wait, what day do we record? Fuck, I'm so tired.

Like, that was me. You're too busy over there getting your saran wrap peanut butter out of the fridge yeah that's how you guys do it all right that's such a I'm not falling for that bit that's not real fuck you

what do you got Joey all right a couple more so I was to do this one as vacuuming, but I don't know if everyone has carpeting, so I'll just say cleaning floors. Is my wife going to listen

to this? That's like a 10, because I never do it. I'm also very bad at it. So, yeah. Bad at cleaning cleaning my wife will hand me the broom and be like hey can you sweep up the stuff over there i'm like yeah i got it and i look at that i'm like this i did an excellent job like everything is clean she'll walk over and there will just still be stuff covering the floor i just yeah bad bad at cleaning floors over here very very bad

to rp 10 11 probably murders me i don't i mean for me it's probably like the act of like finding the motivation to do it as like a seven but like the ability to keep and get my house clean with two cats and a wife that has a head of hair that just always ends up on the floor like she's killed vacuums like and like like just the amount of hair that gets in the vacuum head like i've spent hours of my life cutting hair out of like the head of the vacuum i spent hours pulling hair out of a drain like like women's hair has like literally at least 30 to 40 hours of my adult life spent dealing with cleaning up my partner's hair. Just go pick it off the swirl in the bathtub. Does she not do that?

Does she not do the swirl in the bathtub? Oh, you gotta do the swirl. The swirl in the bathtub is where it all comes from, yeah. Do you mean just like where it's stuck to the wall? Yeah, and they just like brush and then they put it on there and they swirl it so it sticks to the wall? Yeah, and they brush and then they put it on there and they swirl it so it sticks to the wall.

And then they never clean it up and then you have to go do that. I see that in people's apartments regularly. I recently saw a product that's like sticky notes. So you do that with the hair and then put it on a sticky note and the sticky note comes off of the wall.

Yeah, but the hair also comes off the wall so the sticky note is fucking moot no no it's like it's like a huge pad that you put the hair on and then yeah i know you could just you could just pull the hair off the ceramic wall like you don't yeah but i can't make any money doing that joey this is called entrepreneurship. I'll tell you. Use code Big Nate at checkout. I'm actually such a big fan of vacuuming and cleaning floors to the point that I'm not allowed to do it. Because my real rule, my real general rule is I've seen that for two days. It's garbage.

I will go through the house, and if I've stepped on it, tripped over it or have to sweep it up more than once that must be garbage you left it on the floor this long it can't be that important and my whole family hates that rule I love throwing things out I love getting rid of trash and garbage and useless shit

and unfortunately if you've looked at that for more than two days, yeah, that's probably garbage. No, that's my scrunchie. That's your scrunchie? Why is your scrunchie on the floor? I saw it on the floor two days ago.

Therefore, that scrunchie must be garbage. And yeah, that's actually a big, that's probably the biggest contention between me and Morgan. Yeah, good way to piss off your wife. And it's like, well, also a good way to piss off your wife and yeah it's like well also a good way to get out of cleaning the house because you just no because i'll just sweep it all into the dumpster like i'll just like i'll be like okay i i've been home for two days i've

been trying to help you clean things up and now i just have to sweep everything into the garbage so i actually love sweeping the floor and vacuuming the floor. Nobody likes when I have to do it. It's a nice feeling walking on a freshly like mopped or cleaned floor though. It's just like, Oh, that feels different, which means like, Oh,

how dirty was that? Yeah. Yeah. And that's in my house. That is not how that goes. All right. Um, for the next one,

I'm going to say cooking. Cooking for me is probably like a seven and a half to an eight. Like I can grill, but like making a meal, I fuck that. Like I'll microwave some vegetables and, you know, grill some chicken or steak. Other than that, it's like I do make some decent eggs and toast and some like bacon and stuff. Like I'll make breakfast breakfast but i'm not like making like a three course meal ever so yeah difficult go and eat yep i see you i wanted in there i wanted joe to go because i want i want his

takes first uh i because joe is a big big foodie at least he used to be. Oh, fuck. I used to love cooking. All right. Yeah. Let's not. I used to love cooking until I met my wife. And she's so much better at it than I am. And then, like, one day I just realized I forgot how to fry a fucking egg. Like, I used to love cooking my own eggs. And I would go in and you just, like, crack it. And you just, like, break the yolk. Because I love them over hard. And I would go in and they just like crack it and it's like break the yolk because I love them over hard and you would add your salt and you would add a little bit of hot and then I was like okay yeah yeah I can make my own eggs she goes can I make your eggs this

morning and I'm like yeah sure like sure I'll just spend time with the kids and she introduces me the egg which is exactly the same egg i cooked but 20 times better and i'm just like now i don't want to i don't want to do this anymore you are so much better at this than i am um so yeah rp rp eight to eight and a half for me for cooking because if you leave it if you leave me to it, I can do it. If you give me a day's notice and you're like, honey, tonight you're cooking pasta, I will murder that pasta. I will make the best fucking red sauce pasta you can make.

I will make the best homemade mac and cheese you can make. I will make all those things. But if you can do it and you're my lab then you should probably do it all right how about you i'm really thinking about this because like difficulty level for cooking um i mean it depends right like uh you know what are you cooking um you know i think that's where where the trouble lies because like for just cooking an egg it's like one rp like easy unless you're you're doing some like fancy like you know i hear what i just said cooking eggs is the hardest thing in the world well

depends i think it depends um did you know that i used to be able to hard boil an egg i used to be able to do that that was so I used to be able to do that. That was so easy for me for years. And then somehow my wife, my wife found a way to hard boil an egg and then fry it in butter to make it better. That sounds. And then suddenly I learned, I don't know shit about hard boiled eggs.

She's like, I think I need a recipe for hard-boiled eggs yeah well it's a mediterranean recipe right so she would like i just saw it on tiktok and i was like is this real and she's like yeah i'll do it tomorrow and then she fucking did it and it's like you brown the butter you make your hard-boiled eggs you brown the butter you just like flip them in the browned butter and then you make like a mediterranean salad like it used to be that make cooking was easy and then the wives come in and they're just like they're just like can you just take the kids for 30 minutes to give me some time and you're like yeah sure i'll go be a big dumb guy and let kids jump on me and then she shows up with a fucking four course meal anyway um did a kid did a kid jump on you today and you accidentally sent a text too was it a thing that happened

yeah i told i texted i was like hey i'm i was giving updates like i'm gonna be running close to time like okay i should be there and i just get a text from joey that says like don't do that and i was like no please don't i was like i guess i'm not getting on the podcast then he's like oh sorry that was a voice to text actually said a kid just jumped on me yeah so i had my phone in my hand i was texting nate and then i guess i must have hit the voice to text button because my son went i'm gonna jump on you and i was like no please don't and then i guess that got sent to you there and i was like i guess i'm not getting on the podcast then i'll go to bed then that left room margaret cooked a great meal

to bring it back into the center yeah i don't know though uh apparently i should rate an rpe 10 according to joey um but i i've i have like a really big fascination with like cooking. I think cooking is awesome. Um, like I've ever since like my wife and I went and bought like a cast iron pan. I was like, I want to like learn how to use this right. And like do all the cool things and like understand like all these techniques. And I want to do all of that. I don't think I'm good at any of that.

And I, but it's like i aspire so much to like like you watch the bear and you're like i want to be carmy like i want to just be like oh yeah that needs acid like i want to be able to know that and like so maybe it is a 10 for me because i aspire so much to be this good cook that can do a hard-boiled egg and butter and whatnot but i'm like here let me put some chicken in a pan and throw some seasonings on it. It's like, let's make Thai peanut chicken, honey garlic chicken,

some variation of chicken and rice. It's like, not a good cook, but I can make it and it's edible, so I don't know. But yeah, cooking underrated. Yeah. RPE'd something. I don't know.

All right. yeah rpe'd something i don't know um all right the next one i have on my list is leading for work i mean i guess rpc i mean i gotta do it like you can't not right outside of the last two days since joey got me and nate sick via our text thread last week. So like, you know, I did not go to work Friday or Monday, but, uh, yeah, normally it kind of is what it is. The shittiest thing is like, uh,

snow, not if, if I don't register that we got two or three inches of snow. And then that takes me an extra like five minutes to get the car ready. Or even if it's not snow, it's just super frosty. Like, like I've got a really old car with shitty gaskets.

So my fucking windshield gets like extra icy versus some of the other people's cars. So like I got a little more effort into it. Uh,, so my fucking windshield gets extra icy versus some of the other people's cars. I've got to put a little more effort into it. I think in general, I don't know. Leaving for work, what are you going to do? Not go get paid? I don't know. Like a five, I guess. What are you going to do? Not squat the weight, Keith? That's how RPE works?

Yeah. God, leaving for work. I actually can get up and go to work anytime it's so easy you know what makes it hard when your son looks at you and goes hey can i come to work with you today nothing more soul crushing fuck dude and you're like no you have to go to school and he's like no i'd rather spend the time with you and And you're like, that's not how life works. So leaving for work without kids, six, seven, for sure. Easy RPE. The moment your kid goes, I'd like to come with you.

Nate, have they hit you with the, hey, can'd like to come with you. Can you have Nate? Have they hit you with the, Hey, can you just stay home with me today? Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll get, I'll have my druthers here in a second, but yeah, I've, I've had every variation. That's our nine and 10. That one's like, I would love to not go to this terrible place where people just yell

at me all day. I can't stay here where you yell at me all day i and stay here where you yell at me all day because at least i like you so yeah leaving so leaving for work for me is a weird thing um uh so this last job so i was like remote for a good amount of time covid yada yada um so last job i was went back into the office and as a dude who works out in the morning and all of that like the act of like just getting out of the house to me isn't like difficult but um i've been since our oldest or youngest son has been born i was like hey i'm gonna be remote just to be around the house to help and i just haven't gone back to the office for six months um and no one's really said anything about it so i haven't been leaving for work at all so i don't know if that's an rpe 10 or an rpe one at

that point um but like to joey's point like it is i I keep thinking about going back to work. I need to get back in the office just a couple times to be with people to suss stuff out. And I'm like, I don't know if I can get out of the house. I don't know how... Once you do it consistently, it's easy. Here's what we do. Here's the routine. Boom. Out the door.

But once you've been just, alright, we'll just take a shower and walk downstairs turn the computer on and go it's like man getting a lunch ready like putting shoes on getting in the car like that sounds impossible um like it depends uh dave tate quote copyright um rpe 10 is what leaving for work feels like right now but yeah and also like the kids stuff there's nothing worse than like your kid being like can i come with you like why why are you going why are you leaving why why aren't you gonna stay with me um but like working from home is the, like the benefit of like, oh, like yesterday I was in a meeting and, uh, both of my children ran down the stairs, ran next to my computer

with just like underwear on their heads. Um, and so you do get like, it was like, nah, sometimes it would be nice to be in the office, but this is pretty funny. Like, it's like, hold on one second. There's two men attacking me with underwear on their heads and everyone's like what it's like just children just children we're all good no one's broken in the home um but yeah so rpe 10 right now it'd be literally impossible all right that that that all makes sense i'm gonna do one more and then i think i'll call it there getting started in the gym it's like getting your workout started that's tough so some days it's literally a one and

some days it's a 10 so but like for druthers uh like today i uh you know it's just like well bench day super easy like i'll you know it's like like a three minute warm-up and i'm like under the bar and i'm already like up to like two plates and like five minutes half the time it's just like boom boom boom squat like i'm i'm not taking a working set for like fucking almost an hour sometimes on squats like it's just like nah and then usually i'll have one of my buddy chris will be over on sundays too but like i don't know like as far as like just the intent to go downstairs i'm not i don't know like just fuck around your phone it's so much hard like i do notice when i'm at a commercial gym i can train in like 90 just the intent to go downstairs. I'm not, I don't know, like just fuck around your phone. It's so much hard.

Like I do notice when I'm at a commercial gym, I can train in like 90 minutes or less, like always. Like, so I guess if you factor that in, it maybe is more difficult to get started at home, but I don't know. There's so many different caveats to that of like how I could take it. Like some days I have great quick workouts and other times I'm literally

down there for four hours and I did an hour and a half for the work. So, uh, so I guess I'll call it a seven I'm about done with hypertrophy like I'm I'm hypertrophiles I guess like whatever Joey said he wanted to get small again this

week I'm done with hypertrophy he really does want to get small again I'm so fucking done with hypert hypertrophy. He really does want to get small again. I'm so fucking done with hypertrophy. It's like, because I'm on Juggernaut, I open it, and I was like, I got to work out today. And if I'm feeling amazing, this is the thing. I'm feeling amazing. Okay, like I slept. I had good calories.

Like, I'm okay. I'm not tired. I'm still, I'm going gonna go down and work out and then i'll open it and it'll go well you got a top set of six at like fucking ridiculous weight and then you've got six more sets after that i'll be like uh yeah but what's my like hotel game doing on my phone that I could just like waste another 30 minutes not doing that. So I just, I think if it's, if it's a hypertrophy block,

I fucking hate it. I hate it. I'm so done. Hypertrophy blocks. And then I tried to get out of them, but juggernaut would lot and would not let me get out of them. So, God, getting into the gym is really hard. But I have little rituals.

Rituals are probably your biggest savior. Just little, like, I take my pajamas off and I put my tiny shorts on and I go and I take my nitric oxide and I'm going to take my pre-workout. And these are all things that are just like they help you control the next two hours of your life in the gym. And as long as you can commit to those, you'll end up in the gym every time. Right. As long as you can commit to those, you'll end up in the gym every time. Right? And actually, the most recently, I was complaining about my creatine having beta alanine in it.

It's fucking weird that my creatine has beta alanine in it. But because Ghost makes it, Ghost does whatever they want, whenever they want. And it's like, it has tingle to it. And it's like, that's another thing. The more you work out, the less tingle you get. So if you take it half an hour before your workout, you start tingling. And then you're like, well, this is just another signal to get into the gym. is just another signal to get into the gym. So I will say that like if

I didn't have those little rituals where I just have to do those things fuck that's a 9 or 10. I would actually wouldn't. I would much prefer to sit on the couch stare at my phone and watch horror movies. Absolutely. But with these little rituals

it actually comes about 7 or 8. 7 or 8 comes 7 or 8 7 or 8 I've been thinking about this a lot oh fuck here we go so it's just something I do at this point because it's like the first thing I do in the morning it is hard

but it always happens so it's just like wake up 5, 5.30, walk into the bathroom, pee, vitamin D, clothes on, walk downstairs, make a smoothie, drink smoothie, walk outside, go. Like, it's just, it's an unmovable force. It's rituals. It's rituals. Like, everything is set up for you to get in there. Absolutely. Also, no one else is awake to stop me most of the time. And if they are, everything is set up for you to get in there. Absolutely.

Also, no one else is awake to stop me most of the time. And if they are, I tell them, go back to bed. You have no business. You're three. You're not stopping me from the gym. I can hurt you. Also, please don't wake up at 530. Your day will be terrible.

Like you don't need this. So in that respect, I think it's like a three. My typical problem is just explosive diarrhea in the morning. Oh, my God. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. The thing preventing me from getting out to the garage is just like I might have to poop a third time for some reason. Why? I don't know but like if I don't get to a toilet right now everything is going to be covered in poop

and I wish I brought that up it doesn't make any sense so I think that like that's the most difficult part about working out is just like did I clear everything out because if not I'm going to be mid warm up and it's like okay I can either take this first working set and risk

pooping my pants or i just go inside now and i'm gonna lose like five six minutes and i only have like 45 minutes left and if i can hit this working set without pooping my pants i can go the rest of the workout but you got and sometimes you just gotta poop your pants and keep going. Eddie Cohen style. Um, so, you know, just, yeah. I genuinely wish I had brought that up because that's,

it's like, honestly, I brought up the taking your pre-workout break, taking your nitrous oxide. Yeah. Okay. I'm ready. Yeah.

This is it. This is it. I got going to do my warmups. Um, juggernauts got me doing the, the bird dogs and the dead bugs and the okay we're good we're good no we're not and then run up and you hope there's nobody in the washroom because i live in a house with one washroom and three adults and two children

and you just hope there's nobody in there and then you you go, okay, so this is going to add 10 minutes, but I have to be at work in two hours. So keep doing that. So, yeah, I, I, I wish I'd brought that up. That's a good call.

The worst is a shitting with knee sleeves on. Like I'm not taking my knee. If I take my knee sleeves off, I'm never getting them back on. So like, but thank you for bringing that up. Thank you. Knee sleeves,

squat shoes, and a squatty potty. It's like, Oh my God, my knees are like into the fricking ceiling. Squatty potty. Yeah. Potty potty. It's like, oh my god, my knees are like into the freaking ceiling. And a squatty potty, yeah! Potty potty, let's roll! Let's roll!

You get your knee sleeves up, and you're like, they hurt too much to take off. It's going to pull out hair, but like, I gotta go now. That's a good call. That's a very good call, Keith. Once I start sweating, there's no way I'm putting them back up. Your pants? Oh, my knee sleeves, Keith. There's no way I'm putting them back up. They're just...

Your pants? My knee sleeves, dick. We already explained it to everyone. You're in a basement gym. No one's going to know if you squat butt naked. Squatty potties are so great, though. Had to travel one for a while. That folded up was sick.

Squatty potties underrated. Can we get... Underrated. We're gonna... I'll make it a poll next week. Can we get them as a sponsor, Keith? Can we work that up? The code for Squatty Potty? I love that since the sister podcast said they'd cover

some of our sticker dues, I'm just like, I don't do affiliate ad rates anymore. It's just like, I'm good. Yeah, use our code. We're working on getting sponsored by Dude Wipes as well to sponsor our pooping stories. I do like my Dude Wipes. I definitely have to have those with me on those Wednesdays.

Yeah. Joey goes, hey, how do you guys get ready in the morning? And we just spent like eight minutes going on about pooping. Because this is a podcast about pooping. That's what the podcast is. Podcast about crew by crew for crew

about pooping. Yeah. New tagline. All right. You guys want to wrap this up? Like, do we is there anything else? I thought we were going for five hours. I do have one thing I want to mention. No, no, this is more of a statement.

It shouldn't labor unions. Unpaid or underrated. Fuck you. No, this is one of the big, big Jen had responded to the Instagram thing. She basically had commented how, you know, I'm I'm orange glaze. Does that make you the purple haze? I might be. Do you have an IMDB account?

Because we could make this a thing. Us working together could be even better. I was going to say, I feel like if anybody's going to bring that up, that's not a good... That's not a bad call. If we build it, they'll come. The Purple Haze.

Alright. Yeah, let's start this outro, boys. I think we're good. Everyone happy? Everyone set? I'm fucking exhausted. I'm looking back through the show notes. I think we missed some stuff, guys. I will literally murder you.

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There's no joke, Joey. We need a wish I knew the speedboat joke. What do you mean? There's no joke, Joey. We need a speedboat. The speedboat is real. Oh, it will be. I love inside jokes. One day I want to be a part of one. We're going to buy a speedboat and we're going to ride on it. I don't know what there isn't to get about that. There's no boats.

We all live in land. I live by Lake Erie. I could throw a rock and hit Lake Erie. I'm literally like less than three miles from Lake Erie. What the fuck is Lake Erie? Oh my gosh. Lake Ontario.

I'm by Lake Ontario not Lake Erie. My bad. Is that one of those big lakes in the middle of the continent? Yeah, maybe. It's the the great lakes they literally have a name for them i think he's this has got to be what are they called the great lakes grand lake yeah grand lakes okay yeah i know grand lakes i don't know great lakes you guys are speaking american i don't fucking. You don't know the you don't know Lake Erie anytime. So I

think he's doing a bit. He's got it. He's got it. Yeah, just like you did with your mic this morning. All right. That wasn't a bit morning. We've been recording for 12 hours. All right. So Instagram unpaid and underrated podcast or website unpaid intern podcast

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find a random restaurant in your area i got that one um and then we've got a secret project i think jake mentioned this but we're gonna we're gonna slide've got a secret project. I think Jake mentioned this, but we're going to, we're going to slide this in here. Secret project working on it for lift hard, live easy classic. I don't know what more to say, but there's, there's going to be a thing that I think will be there.

That's going to be a very large focal point that may or may not be developed by the developer of glaze search.com. Cool. I'm glad you brought that thing. That doesn't matter up. It matters a lot. It's called hype, Joey! Well, nobody's

talking about it. I don't think I've ever laughed so much during an episode. This has been wild. Find me at joey__meliss. He's at ko. But most importantly, just follow the podcast because keith controls that and you can leave me

the fuck alone for a while but keith that's our outro buddy see you next tuesday boys