Up and Vanished - 15 | Jake's Interview

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

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Testimony shared by guests of the show is their own and does not reflect the views of Tenderfoot TV or Odyssey. Thank you so much for listening. During the day, on Saturday, June 25th, I went bridge jumping. But Jake was not there. Later that Saturday night, I went to a party at a camp outside Nome. The party was late. It probably started around 10 or 11 PM and went until 4 or 5 in the morning.

Jake was at this party. I know that for certain. Because I talked to him, face to face for over 30 minutes. Just me and him. I was having a drink, standing by a keg at the party. And that's when Jake first approached me. We talked for a while. Then eventually, we walked off on our own.

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September 2016. The time now is 12 56 p.m. and we are at the Aurora Inn in Nome. So can you tell me how well you knew Joseph? I mean I've talked to some people and basically what people told me so far is that you guys really didn't know each other. Big age difference and you weren't there that long but I knew him as my cousin Chrissy's friend that's what they kept it as, friend

never told me anything about it I knew about him last summer but I knew his name last summer that stays true to the summer I I knew his name last summer and that stays true to the summer just know his name okay and that was just from Chrissy yes and so after you moved in there did you guys get to know each other at all not at all I mean we said hi here and there if we were passing by each other in the hallway or in the kitchen or something but but that was about it.

Okay. So based on the little bit that you knew about him, what were your general impressions of him? What was he like? One of my first impressions was that he was kind of an outgoing, you know, soft-spoken person. He always wanted to say hi to you or saying what you're doing, you know.

Anything else? That's about it with me. I mean, if I saw him in the hallway, he'd be like, oh, hey, what are you doing today? And, you know, I would tell him, I'm just hanging out with my friends, probably go to the gym. Like, oh, yeah, I'm going for a hike today. Short and brief conversations. Mm-hmm.

Okay. So did Joseph say anything to you about his plans to move to Juneau and get married in August? Wow, no he didn't. You didn't know that? No. I knew he was moving in August, but he didn't say where or to do what. He just said he was moving. Oh yeah that's my plan too. I'm probably gonna be leaving too but things didn't

fall through. Yeah he was getting married to this gal down there and he was gonna open a law practice so big changes for him you know. But it didn't sound like you guys had the kind of relationship where you'd share information like that. I frankly didn't know he was getting married to someone else other than, I thought he was still seeing my cousin, Chrissy. Okay. So what was, I mean I've interviewed Christine. What was his relationship with Chrissy?

I don't really know. Whenever I went to my grandparents house, you know how your family usually make fun of someone you're seeing when you're growing up. You're like, oh yeah, it's your boyfriend, you know. It was kind of stuff like that. So I really, there was no solid info to me that they were dating or whatever you want to say. So I really couldn't tell you. I just figured because that's what the family talked about. What did the family talk about? It was just like they were just joking around. Like I was saying, oh yeah, that's your boyfriend.

Why isn't he here? Did you get that sense that people in your family wanted them to be a couple? I think they wanted Chrissy to date him. It wasn't more of the family's for her. Did Chrissy ever talk to you about him at all? Not at all. Let me did you did you ever get the sense that, you know, if he wanted to keep it as a

friendship, she was willing to do that as, you know, as good as it's gonna get basically? I have no doubt that Chrissy would be totally fine with it. Okay. Do you have any idea what was going on in Joseph's life in the two weeks leading up to his disappearance? Not in his work life, but there was a weekend, not sure if it was two weeks prior, or maybe it might have been three weeks, but he said he was bringing a couple friends up from the lower 48 I'm assuming. They were in the house, I want to say there was two of them.

They stayed in a different room. I hardly ever saw him because I was working from eight to five. So I left. They were gone. They were sleeping still. I got home. They were out in great outdoors. But other than that, I didn't know about his personal life. What was he like as a roommate?

I can't say much about it, but every day he woke up. I think he woke up before I did. He showered and then I usually wait for him to get out of the shower so I could shower. And then by the time I got out, he'd be leaving for work. He usually walked to work if it was nice. Sometimes I'd get off a little early, beat him home. I usually stay in my room most of the time because that house we live in, that I live in, it's empty. Like no furniture or anything? There's one couch, there's a table, that's about it.

And I have the TV in my room, so I stay in my room a large majority of the time. So like, we never hung out. Do you remember seeing him on the Friday night of that weekend he disappeared? No, because I was out on the Teller Road going bridge jumping with, sorry, not the Teller Road going bridge jumping with, sorry, not the Teller Road, Cougar Road,

out bridge jumping with my friends. And who were you with? So this night gets a little vague for me because it's been so long. The people that I were with and how I got there, I'm pretty sure. And my friend Tyler and my friend Emory. And this is out by Salmon Lake on the Cougar, not on the Tug. And this is Friday night, not Saturday night, right? Yeah, Friday night. So still talking about Friday night.

So do you know when, do you remember about when you got home after being out bridge jumping? I'm going to be honest with you, I really don't remember what time. Okay. So what's involved in bridge jumping? Basically what it sounds like, you just get up on the rail and jump off of it. Into the water? Isn't the water cold? Oh yeah, that's the exhilarating part and the falling part of course, but it's fun. I grew up doing it. And it was just the two people with you, the two guys? Yeah. Do you recall if Joseph's truck was there when you got home whenever that was?

I don't think it was home. Because usually when whenever it is home, I usually make a mental note of in my head saying, Oh, just right. I don't recall making that note. So he was out. He was out partying that night with Christine and Kim. We're not certain what time he got home. Was it daylight when you got home that night or morning? It was actually a really nice day.

So I mean, here, when it's super nice, the sun doesn't set for a while. So I would have to guess, I don't know, 10, 30, 11, maybe. I would have to guess, I don't know, 10, 30, 11, maybe. So it wasn't like early morning. No. Did you have friends over to the house on Friday or Saturday night? I didn't have friends Friday and most definitely didn't have friends the next night. I was home or not, but I don't know, I just don't remember.

Do you remember Joseph saying anything about what he intended to do that weekend? He didn't run up by me. Were you aware of him going to the beach with Chrissy on Saturday? Saturday? Yep. No. He probably would have left like around noon. would have left like around noon. Okay hold on.

Okay so he went missing Sunday afternoon, right? Sounds like it, because it sounds like you were the last person to see him. Okay, so I was confusing myself. I went bridge jumping Saturday evening. Okay. Do you remember what you were doing on Friday evening? No, I do not. I honestly don't recall. do you call about what time you left to go bridge-cut jumping on Saturday I want to say I could have left anywhere between five or six. And we were supposed to meet up with a larger group of people, but they were at a different bridge. So we went looking and then I think we finally found them at a bridge called Grand Central. So that's why it was this late in the evening when I got back.

Okay. And plus we were just enjoying the country, enjoying the views. It was a nice day from what I remember. Where is Grand Central? It's on the Cougarck Road right before Salmon Lake. Salmon Lake. I want to say it's at 34 mile on the road. Okay. And who was in that other group? And who was in that other group? See the thing is, all summer I've been doing kind of the same thing, going bridge jumping, going out in the country, it's just kind of hard to remember. Specific times.

Yeah, and people. Usually man if it's nice out, the weather's warm, it'll be a thought in all of our heads, When the weather's warm, it'll be a thought in all of our heads, hey, let's go bridge up. And then we'll call all of our friends to go. It's been so long, man, I couldn't remember exactly who was all there. Do you remember anyone that was in that other group? Specifically, no. I don't. How many people, roughly?

I would say at least 15. And who did you catch a ride with out there? It was the same two people that I was with, my friend Tyler and my friend Emery. So it's pretty important for us to try and figure out who Joseph may have been close with around the time that he disappeared. Did he ever have any women over to the house at any time while you were living there? Not that I know of. Did he ever say anything about any relationships he had or his friendship with Chrissy?

Like I said, man, we never talked. Okay. Do you know if Joseph owned any firearms? I've never seen any. I assume he had one because he was always hiking. You know, that's something you might really need if you're hiking. Right. I don't know, the state keepers went over there one day after searching the house and after thoroughly checking everything they went back again and they found a box of.44

ammo. And I think one was missing out of that whole box. Never seen a.44 or anything close And I think one was missing out of the whole box. Never seen a 44 or anything close to it in that house before. So it wasn't your Amarillo? Nope. Hang on just a second. I'm not going back to university to be your friend. I'm going so I can get Uber One for students. Second. All right. not whatever you think university is for. Get Uber One for students, a membership to save on Uber and Uber Eats. With deals this good, everyone wants to be a student, joined for just $4.99 a month.

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And I started thinking about this whole thing all summer. It started to stress me out. In my mind I just been thinking, I probably think someone might have killed them. Because they haven't found a body yet. The dogs couldn't find them, there was helicopters, there was airplanes, there was a numerous people looking for them. And still to this day there's no body. Right. Yeah, a lot of people have said that, a lot of local people have said that if he got attacked

by a bear we would have found something. Yeah, something. But he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would have enemies. Or be engaged in risky behavior or anything. It doesn't appear that way at all. I didn't get that vibe when I met him. My mom told me that he was a... a law clerk.

I'm not too sure what he does, but I was told from my mom that he looks over the evidence of some cases. I don't know, that could have been a trigger. I don't know. Just like the rest of the town, I just want to know what happened. It's been a stressful summer. Let's live in an anchorage and come back to Nell and didn't expect this. Right, right, exactly. This is something you expect in Anchorage. Did you feel that the search was thorough and covered all the areas it should have? Thoroughly, yeah. Very thoroughly. My mom and her husband, they still go out. Coast Guard was even up here, it kind of takes a big exclamation mark for the Coast Guard to be up here searching in their helicopter. Right. I don't know, I think the town just saw it as one big disappearance and they couldn't

supply answers because they don't have any info on them. Did you participate in the search at all? No. I went once with my friend Tyler just because it was an ice day. Didn't really have anything to do that day so I just took a drive down the road Were you working when all this was going on this doll was searching and everything Yeah, I would I was working for the village of council all summer and so once a month For about a week we would drive down to council go up the river there

Come back at the end of the drive back into town so I'd be up and down all along that road and you know I'd keep an eye out, but you know as a month passed, the chances of him turning up were getting somewhere I guess you could say. So was there any friction between you and Joseph over the internet account at the house? No, I was just... What am I trying to say? I was actually going over the deal on that we were gonna make and you know, I pay half, you pay half. And we go half on the utilities every month. And I mean, I never got around to it because I took myself a financial hole.

So I was covering my ends and then I took myself a financial hole, so I was covering my ends and then I was going to take care of that. But no, there was no friction. Any friction about anything else? I mean, sometimes roommates just don't, you know, they just clash on things. Yeah, I get that, but there was no communication between us Other than those brief conversations Did Joseph seem to drink very much

I would say he only drank beer every weekend. Do you mean to excess? I don't know. I only saw the beer that he bought. He'd be on the counter. Never seen him drunk. Had a beer in his hand. Okay.

Do you remember seeing or hearing him return to the house in the early morning hours of Friday night, Saturday morning, like maybe 3am or so? No, I don't. You would have been home at that time, right? Oh yeah, definitely. Do you have any suggestions for people I should talk to about his disappearance? No, I don't feel it as if anyone in this town would know where he was or get a better answer than what I gave you. You don't remember seeing him leave the house there on Saturday when he went to meet Chrissie

at the beach? That is correct, I don't. him leave the house there on Saturday when he went to meet Chrissie at the beach. That's correct, I don't. Did your uncle Kevin ever stay there? I was gone all winter. I haven't been a gnome since August of 2015 he might have during the winter but not what Joseph was there I don't think so now Do you remember seeing the pickup that he was using at the house on Sunday? Do you remember hearing a vehicle leave on Sunday? No, I don't.

What did you do on that Sunday? I really don't remember. Were you just waking up when you saw him in the hallway? Yeah, like him opening the door was the first thing I woke up to. Okay. I rolled over just to look, you know, just out of curiosity to see what it was. And, you know, there was a light coming up from the entrance way downstairs, and so there was a light shining off the white wall.

I couldn't really see who it was, but I saw a shadow and I saw his red backpack, which he always had, I'm assuming. So what did you do Saturday night when you got back to knowing from bridge jumping? I want to say more than likely, I probably just went to bed. Do you have any independent memory of that night when you got back from bridge jumping? No. Do you remember if Joseph's truck was at the house when you got home Saturday night? No, I don't.

Was there anybody with you when you got home? Nope. Did you just get dropped off? Yeah. And who dropped you off? The same person who brought me up, Richard and Tyler. I mean, it doesn't sound like any of you or your friends saw Joseph or the truck on Saturday or Sunday other than when you saw him in the hallway. No, um, my friends didn't really know him. They didn't, they knew nothing about him.

They met him the same time I did, you know, this summer. And they, if that, they said hi to him, you know. And I didn't expect them to know him. I didn't expect just to know them. I didn't know this guy. I didn't like just to know them. I didn't know this guy. So had you driven out past the area of mile 44 in the council road on Saturday or Sunday? Did you have a vehicle available to you to use? When? Well, this time period, so the end of June, early July. No, I've never had a vehicle of my own this summer. Did Joseph ever talk with you about running out there on the council road in the area of mile 44

No, I didn't Had Joseph ever said anything to you about wanting to go fishing out in that area I don't think you ever did Or not that I know of Is that even good fishing out there? Yeah, there's some good fishing. You just gotta find the right fish. Know when to go.

There's different times where different spawns are hatching. Some are dying. Some are actually young. They'll give you a fight. That's where the fun comes in. Are there other kinds of fish in there other than salmon? There's silver salmon. there's chamas salmon, there's four different kinds, I just can't list them, I don't know.

I was wondering if there were like, you know, other kinds of fish other than salmon and there trout or other stuff. It might be trout. So I want to ask you about this whole confusing situation with the 308 rifle that somebody dropped off at the house. So that 308 rifle, my dad won it, I'm pretty sure he won it at one of the NRA banquets here. They give out raffles, well you gotta buy raffles.

So at that banquet they'll draw tickets and you can go out and select a gun. I'm pretty sure my dad selected the black 308 rifle. Um so last winter before I left for Anchorage to go to school I was living at my grandmother's garage. There was a bed in there you know on a tv I had a home little setup. So I brought the gun with me because I moved out of my dad's. Just to have it. I may have shot it once that winter. And then I left. Kind of forgot about it.

And then I moved back here after a while. I think my grand reminded me that my rifle was there. Without telling me, my uncle brought it back to the house. And that was just before the state troopers searched the house again. They were like, oh yeah, whose rifle is this? Me not knowing that my uncle dropped it off, I said, it's not mine. I've never seen it before. Okay. And then, I think. And so, so when the troopers asked you that,

did they show you the rifle, or did they tell you there was a rifle downstairs? They told me, they had already taken it. Okay, so it's not like they showed it to you. No, but they said it was a black.308, and a little light-off went inside my head like, oh you know I'm pretty sure I have a 308. And then I think 4th of July is when my mom told me that that was my rifle. Okay. Thanks for telling me. And who told you that? Your mom? Yeah. It made me look extremely bad to the state troopers.

Because me saying it wasn't mine, it turned out to be mine. Right. It's been a stressful summer. There might have been some confusion if you've talked to the state troopers before. They first asked me what I did that Saturday night and I couldn't remember to save my life. And so on the spot, I've never talked to the state troopers like this about a missing person. So I made a dumb move and made up a story. That didn't help me at all. And then that rifle situation happened,

didn't help my case. And then all eyes started turning on me, but I don't know the guy at all, man. I wish I could help you guys. I'm with you in the same boat. I just want to find him. I just want to know what happened. I wish I could tell you in the same boat, I just want to find them, I just want to know what happened, I wish I could tell you guys.

Well what did you tell the troopers that wasn't true? That I went down the Teller Road to a different bridge, but instead we were on a Kluwak Road. I mean why not just tell them the truth because I mean nobody really cares. That's the thing though, they did care and I couldn't remember. To this day I can barely remember. I mean, yeah, we're at the Grand Central Bridge, but that night they were asking, I could not remember at all. I was nervous because I was talking to them.

I didn't have an answer for them. I should have said that, but I drew a blank and that came out. Your uncle's a long time trooper, right? Lonnie Pascua? Yeah. There's my uncle Kevin that dropped the rifle off. Right.

So you told them this thing that wasn't true and then what happened? They went straight to my friends and they asked and they got a different story so that's where it didn't make me look good is where I was lying to them. And then they came back to me after all the questions and were like, well we got the story from so and so, it doesn't match up with your story, what were you really doing? What did you say at that point? I'm pretty sure it was the same thing. I just couldn't remember.

But at that, you know, when they were talking to you, that would have been like two weeks after, so it was pretty close in time. Why were you having trouble remembering? Honestly, I don't know, man. Two weeks ago today, I can barely remember what I did. Okay. There was also an issue with apparently texting your friends to try and get them to create an alibi or to say that you were with them. What happened with that?

I was nervous and I didn't know how to deal with it. I was trying to save my skin, but. Lying is getting from what though? From that lie. But it's not like you were doing anything wrong. It's not like you're out robbing a bank or anything. You guys were just out doing stuff. I just, I didn't know how to handle it, man.

This is the first time that I've dealt with something like this. Kind of a young kid. I don't know, it's just... I don't know, I didn't know how to deal with it. And so did you end up telling the troopers that you had texted your friends to try and create the salibi? No, I think they came to that conclusion after they talked to my friends.

And then did they come back and talk to you again about that? I believe so. The friends that you texted, was that Emry and Tyler or Cass and Cam? It was Emry and Tyler. Then how were Cass and Cam involved? I'm not too sure. That's the first I've heard of their names being drawn out. Okay.

Were they out that bridge jumping that night, do you remember? I don't think so. Yeah. Do you know of anyone who saw Joseph out on the council road on Saturday or Sunday? No, I don't. Do you know of anyone in Nome who was angry or upset with Joseph for some reason? No. So then one of the other issues I wanted to ask you about, some of the family members when they were here searching had reported to the troopers that they saw injuries on

your face. Can you tell me what those injuries were from? Yeah, so I was playing catch with one of my friends out at the safety road house We're playing football and made the brash decision of diving for it on gravel That's where these two come into play for the Cod Alley Kings That's where these two come into play for the Cod Elk Pins. And then I scrap my face. Maybe I'll take a quick picture of those. That was out at the safety roadhouse?

Yeah. Okay. Can you turn your hands a little bit? There we go. And I just need to go kind of an overall picture over here if you can look up this way. Okay. Is there any way I could pause this really quick and use the restroom? Yeah, no problem. Just go ahead. My third cup of coffee.

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