Up and Vanished - S2E6: The Circle is Small

Episode Date: October 1, 2018

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He's well known to police in different jurisdictions. And as you heard, everybody in town thinks he's the drug hookup. That's that. Does he have anything to do with this case? I have no idea. Right? That's the frustrating part. Just because somebody in town is on everybody's radar,

rumored to be some bad guy that might be involved with Crystal's disappearance, doesn't make it true. In fact, if it was so obvious and true, that person would already be in custody. Because the Sheriff's Department knows the name, and I suspect that they've checked it out every which way and have some suspicions on their own whether he's the right guy. I think he knows what's going on and I think that some of his associates may even know more.

We certainly know who Catfish is. And I know that Catfish and his friend have been spoken to by detectives. So they shouldn't be surprised that their name's coming up. The real balance, journalistically, is what are the liabilities of reporting somebody's identity who may ultimately never be charged or directly be involved. I guess that one that comes to mind is the Richard Jewell case at Atlanta Olympics, the bombing, the security guard. He came to help, he had to be the guy, everybody reported it, can't take it back. Right? Wasn't him. So we always balance here the need to do those kinds of things.

If you watched our initial investigation, we have a blurred mugshot and he knows that's him. we have a blurred mugshot and he knows that's him. His mom probably knows that's him. His friends probably know that's him. So there's some, not public identity, but I think we let him know that we know. There he is. If they're just dealing moving product,

they don't want to make any waves. And violence creates waves. People call the police, they call 911, here comes the ambulance, they say who did this and what, and it can ruin a financial stream. So the players that we're talking about there, I don't think are dangerous every day but i have no doubt if they're cornered that they know how to get out of trouble I'm going to go. From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, this is Up and Vanished. I'm your host, Payne Lindsey.

I talked to a new source about catfish. We'll call this person Calvin. Calvin told me that after Crystal went missing, three people in Crestone seemed to change noticeably. Dreddy Brian and two other men. We'll call them Landon and Jack. According to Calvin, these three individuals encouraged psychological breakdowns

shortly after her disappearance. My knowledge is limited. I need to go on the explore, my friend. breakdowns shortly after her disappearance. I mean, you gotta start there. I mean, that's who it is. Jaffa had nothing to do with it on the end of, like, basically, I believe that she was killed. Okay. I didn't believe her. Brian got into an argument. Brian killed her. And they disposed of the body.

I'm not sure who they are, but I'm pretty much sure that he talked to... Landon. Jack. And Brian, if you get those three, then you'll be able to figure it out. Do you know what happened? Like, what the situation was? I don't know. I know that what had happened is that Brian, the summer before, had wrecked her car. And then she had filed her civil suit. I think that what happened is that maybe Brandon and Brian had maybe raped her.

Like maybe drugged her and raped her. And then she tried to come back on them. That's what I'm getting from the information that I have. And I mean, I, I honestly thought it was catfish at first, but well, once I, once I, uh, once I started talking to catfish, I mean, got to, got to basically no catfish. Uh, I, it wasn't him at all. I mean, he may have, I mean, I don't want to, I hate to say this, but he may have, I mean, I hate to say this, but he may have, I mean, helped him, like,

helping him, like, cover it up, but the only reason they did that is because he involved, or they involved him, and I don't even think that's the case, really. There's no really, what I saw is from a distance, because I'm a friend of everybody that was, I guess, probably involved, is I saw a from a distance because I'm a friend of everybody that was, I guess, probably involved. I saw a complete psychological breakdown.

Landon. Brian. And. The paranoia of all three of them just went through the roof. Landon. Went from just being in standard meth psychosis to being completely completely paranoid at all times whether he was sober or not, thinking that people were following him. I mean, you mentioned that they had found Crystal's body. He completely freaked out.

Jack, he ended up getting committed. I mean, and then you look at Brian and from what I've seen, you know, and I know his ex-wife and I know all the other girlfriends that he's been with, there is a violence in behind him, like a dark light, you know, it doesn't come out right at first, but when they're alone, it happens. Also, I would, I mean, just to help you out, I mean, I talked to, hey, you know what's funny? I've got a, can I call you back here in a little bit? Yeah, sure, man. Okay, because I've got, my friends just showed up.

I'll be back in town here in about 30 minutes. Will that work for you? Yeah, man. Just give me a shout. Yeah, okay. I'll have to help you, because I think this is bullshit, right? I mean, you know, honestly, it's, it's, they placed some value on human life, where it shouldn't have been placed. About two months later.

I mean, it's a rumor that she was blackmailing him, blackmailing them, because they had raped her. They drugged her and raped her. Landon. He almost shot Capish's hand off. I talked to people that were there. They said that they were arguing over Crystal, about Crystal, about what had happened. And that's when he shot his hand. He said that they were arguing over Crystal, about Crystal, about what had happened. And that's when he shot his hand.

Landon. I was staying over at my house one night, and he woke up, and he's like, I didn't have, I didn't do it. I didn't do it, I didn't, I don't know, he said, I didn't, I didn't mean to do it. That's what he said, I didn't mean to do it to her. And then I've heard Catfish several times. Catfish was like, I didn't think they'd kill her. I've heard him say that a couple times. I mean, just not general night terrors.

He's actually said that twice. For one thing, he's very standoffish about the whole thing, which is another indication that maybe he had something to do with it. He's agoraphobic. I mean, he has a hard time dealing with people besides people he knows very well. He's only been that way

since he got into a car accident about, I think, 15 years ago. He brings it up quite a bit, I mean, to the point where, I mean, it's not... He's such an emotional human being that if he did commit an act like that, it would have devastating, devastating psychological effect on him.

I mean, I'm not a trained psychiatrist or a psychologist or anything, but I'm just, from just my point of view, honestly, he didn't display any of it. But he does have regret there, which means that his regret is probably due to some involvement in some way, whether it be ex post facto, like taking care of the body after it was all said and done, or whether it be that he had something to do as far as like planning it or paying for it or something of that nature. Catfish's house was completely destroyed all the time.

I wasn't there and I didn't see it, but right after the girl disappeared, that house was completely spotless. I mean, you could eat off the floor. Catfish has also been accused of drugging and raping other women. Catfish is not a stupid person. He's quite far from stupid. If he was going to plan anything, it would be to the T. I mean, they would dispose of the body in a way.

And I'm thinking that they moved the body more than once, would be to the T. I mean, it would dispose of the body in a way. And I'm thinking that they moved the body more than once would be my guess. That they did maybe three or four different times. And then finally they incinerated it would be my guess. And that's what I've heard. This is a small community, you know, and people talk. And it's funny because these guys go around talking about this. I guarantee it. Otherwise, why would you hear these things?

They're basically dosing each other with LSD to basically drive each other insane. If you want to get dosed, that means you're going to drop some acid. But, I mean, if you're getting dosed, that means somebody's trying to either kill you, drive you insane, or, you know, basically put you to a point where your mental ability can't handle the amount of drugs that you're on. There's several people that have been dosed around here through methamphetamines specifically. And I mean, they walk around fighting shadow people for the rest of their lives. You know, shit like that. It's not very nice.

I mean, you gotta watch what you do around here. A lot of people are scared of catfish. I'm scared of catfish a little bit. His family has power. They have major, major power. I'm willing to work with, man, I'm willing to work with CPI. You know what? Screw these guys. I mean, I know that they all had something to do with it.

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We get into everything from celebrity beefs to TikTok trends. And look, we're not afraid to get a little controversial. We're talking about things like the Oscar snubs or is Drake really a hip hop artist? Commotion with Elamin Abdelmahmoud available now on Spotify. At this point, I heard a lot of insane and frankly scary stories all revolving around this group of so-called friends. Some of these things I'd heard before. and frankly scary stories, all revolving around this group of so-called friends. Some of these things I'd heard before. That Catfish never cleaned his house.

And then one day, he suddenly did a full sweep. And also that Catfish's family had a fairly prestigious background. I talked to Landon to get his perspective. Things didn't seem to look good for this group of friends, if that's even what they are. was not present for anything that went down with that young lady, and I don't know anything like that. But I was around enough people. I happened to meet the young lady probably a matter of two weeks before she went missing for a five- or ten-minute conversation.

So that's the extent of my relationship with her and my knowledge of her. I don't know her well. I met her in passing, like I said, briefly before she vanished. But I do know some of the characters that are collocated in this. And, you know, it's just, it is factually, I don't know anything. I didn't see anything. I don't have any, you know, true, I guess, solid information that would, that would help anybody in the resolution of this whole terrible missing. I'm quite certain it was foul play, and there was a whole dynamic of manipulation and such.

But go ahead and you ask your questions if you want to. I would like to meet with you in person if you're in the area. What do you think happened to Crystal? I'm asking you a question. What do you think happened to Crystal? For a few years, you know, we were other than the same neighborhood as he did when my fiancé and I were breaking up and it was kind of like, you know, a hard time for me. So I made friends with him and we went out. And, you know, we didn't get along. And later he went out for like back damage on my world, yeah, we're connected to, you know, some big strings and a lot of that phrase that hasn't worked, like I have God like completely on my side and it's all a complete illusion anyway, all those little references and vibrations existing are illusions that we're transcending

the planet, we're ascending the planet right now. Actually, this event has sparked the consciousness of love in every present moment. It's coming, and that's gonna be the only vibration left. Anyway, so I'm not worried. I have no fears around me yet. I'll tell anybody anything they wanna know. I never had any fear or any guilt, you know, but this part of it, you know, kind of framed me.

You put a lot of the information out there that I was involved somehow, because I happened to be, you know, sort of going over to his house a decent amount because we were still having some sort of, you know, friendship or conflict at that time. But, yeah, so he went after, you know, I think he sent thousands of emails to do the type of effects. He had a computer program to make it look like Michael Schumacher

was texting somebody else's number, kind of, to change her program to make it look like my whole number. We're texting somebody else's number, you know, and, like, we make the numbers, and we go to my girlfriend's and my number, and we have a conversation. She dropped that shit. All that type of shit, and, uh, it really did hurt my reputation, because people who I, you know, we came to love and trust me had to, like, be like, well, what? You know, there's got to be an inkling of truth to all this. You know, it doesn't just come out of that, you know, we came to love and trust me, had to be like, well, what? You know, there's got to be an inkling of truth to all this. You know, it doesn't just come out of that, you know, rumors, they start somehow, somewhere,

and there's always some sort of origin of truth, you know, that's how we, what we're programmed to believe in, you know. Like, things are good. How do you feel about your life these days? How is your personal, do you feel any, you know, recent changes or recent, like, energies that seem different or any kind of, like, vibrancy or, you know, recent changes or recent, like, energies that seem different or any kind of, like, vibrancy or, you know, synchronicities maybe in your life? They're like, ding, ding, you know, here and there in numbers that are coming at the right

times and creating, like, you know, small world shit? Or no? I mean, I don't really know. It's hard to say. I haven't figured out life entirely yet, but, you know, I look at it as one big learning experience. Oh, you will soon, bro. My brother, you will soon. You're coming full awareness and knowledge of what's happening on the planet. It's big, bro. Big.

Like, Lionsgate portal is opening. Like, Mars, it could be opening now. By 8-8-2018, there's a Lionsgate portal. This shit is fucking crazy. It sounds like I'm nuts, right? Landon's thoughts were a little far out there, but as far as Crystal's story, he gave more convincing details

than I'd gotten from anyone else so far. I mean, was I there for anything of that nature? No, no, I wasn't. I went over to the person's house, you know, catfish's house, and she was there, and at the time I was like, I'd take out his trash for him and stuff like that,

you know, kind of do some work for him like that because he just couldn't do any of that. He was out of control. But, and she was there, and I met her, and she was, like, trying to help me take out trash, and she was, like, got a pretty positive vibe off her. And I also, you know, it was just plain as obvious to me that there was an element of isolation

in the dynamic between the two of them, you know? You know, I didn't know this. He was too nice to try to help me, like, trash off the deck and I was, like,

appreciative of that. Although, you know, I just kind of, like, put two guys together and then left. Because I was like,

I'll come back later when it's just not weird. And, uh, that's the next day I hit him up on a text and I said, what's up, man? What do you have to do?

Blah, blah. I got no response. Didn't go over to see what he was doing. Didn't really give a fuck and probably didn't talk to him for a week after that. Or maybe a week or two. I don't even remember, you know. He was so crazy and he, like, tried to go even crazier on purpose, I think, so that his credibility would be in question.

I feel like I was going through so much that I didn't have any capacity to like be sticking out trying to do investigative work. And especially in my situation, it would have been certainly dangerous to still, still a lot of S.E.s would consider what I'm doing to be dangerous. I went through all sorts of shit. Dude poisoned me with LSD,

bring me a bottle of whiskey that had 200 hits of acid. They hired kids to steal from me, hired people to beat me up, Jack. with a lot of drugs of some nature and they went off on, you know, what they call, this guy Kappas used to follow the Grateful Dead for a long time. And he came up with this thing where he, like, he would eventually, you know, let you know, hang on, check it out. Hang out there, bro.

Try to figure out where these lights are coming from. All right, so anyway, he, you know, I don't know any of this for sure, bro. The rumor mill has generated so many rumors, I'm in three quarters of them. And I didn't, you know, I didn't have anything to do with it. Don't know what happened. Nobody told me, because I'm not in that little clique or that club. They don't take me for they shouldn't.

And there was a part of my depression that took me to some places where I was just like survival mode hibernation mode. I was just kind of like, you know, my reputation was getting stomped on. So people used to just wave by this, you know, we were just a little community. Friendly, we started to get these looks of doubt. I just felt it creep in insidiously. I live in a small town of, you know, 500 to 1,000 to 200 people in the PC. You know, like your reputation is everything. And if you can suddenly just kind of promote the story

and cast it a little bit of wind somehow, everybody wants to know that's the nature of, like, programming and people. And it doesn't even matter, you know, hey, exactly what you're doing as long as you're doing anything with any sort of, like, inkling or inference or, you know, a mere vague appearance of a propriety. All the stories became true in all those people's minds. You know what I'm saying, bro?

I was unable to find employment. People were chasing me around, harassing me. People were trying to beat me up. My computers were falling apart. My Facebook, my email was 10 years. I had it up through college and everything. Usually I could never get it back. They attacked me with everything they had.

They were plotting against my fucking device to throw up all night, putting all sorts of energy into my structure, you know? And they still couldn't touch the light. Because I'm the one good guy hanging around all these pieces of shit, right? And they're like, fuck him, he's not like us. We hate him.

Let's set him up for whatever I can. Maybe I was, you know, being a little bit of a poor judgment of character when I decided who to hang out with and who to trust because of my own depression and my own self-destructive nature, you know? And so I was basically trying to live by myself with my two dogs in my truck and cut fireworks for a living. When I gave all that, I told the sea god I could have all that

and figure out whatever they could for me. You know, I told them I was leaving full permission and they never got back and I don't know what the fuck happened with that.

You know, there was one picture. Hey, I'm going to tell you, I really don't want to do all this stuff. Like, the last thing I'm going to try to talk about is this. Because I'm going to

just keep the story and this is all, like, this is all might as well never happened, bro, in the past. Not only that, but it was an illusion or a spirit. Yes, we're all reincarnating all the time, too, man. Like, if you're in the love train, you're going to ascend with the rest of the planet. If you're not, you're out, you know, kind of thing.

You know, most of us are coming along, I think. You know, there's 144,000 of us on the planet that have been, you know, most of us are coming along, I think, you know, there's 144,000 of us on the planet that have been, you know, that are coming together to unify that vibration. 144,000 healers, masters, and warriors have reincarnated tons of times. I'm living with people that were, you know, famous people throughout history that are reincarnating and coming back as masters, forming the first contact team for this fucking extension. It's fucking out there. I don't want to talk, someone else got on the phone. I still don't know who she was. Hey, how you doing? Wonderful.

How are you, love? I'm doing good. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. Dane,

come and meet your creator. Dude, amazingly, amazingly beautiful, full of love in every moment. Yeah, buddy. You gotta calm down and figure out there's a story right there in every moment. Yeah, buddy.

You got to take it down and figure it out. There's a story right there, man. You're the first one. Or maybe not. The masters are coming home, Cain, and maybe I'm one of them. Maybe I'll keep both stories, but, you know, I don't know. He's one of them. I'm sorry. Shortly after Crystal went missing, an anonymous person had a phone call with Dreddy Bryant. They recorded this call and shared it with me, and I'd like to share it with you now,

because the story seems to get a little muddled. I know it's not like her, for sure. The last time I actually saw her was, Jesus, a little over a month ago. I think just like two and a half weeks ago, at the last drum circle, I think she was there. I could have swore I heard her singing. And somebody else said that they thought. But the last time I talked to her, it was the day after the full moon. The full moon before last.

It was the day after that. And she said, and she came in. She called down the street. She was up in her apartment there. And she's like and she came in, she called down the street. She was up in her apartment there. And she's like, hey, Brian, you know, I think Kathy, Kathy's like put some fucked up shit on Facebook about you. You know what I mean? Because we like got, we like had an argument and got, I did some work at Alice and he didn't pay me for it. And she said, what can we add?

We had a people, she was like, you know, I was over there. And she told me, she said she didn't remember, but she said she thought that we might have, that anybody drugged her or something. Again, another person swearing they saw Crystal at the July drum circle. weeks ago and before that it was like six weeks ago the last one was like a couple weeks ago so i guess the one before that was six weeks ago i guess wow it's been a long time damn be sure i could have swore i kept hearing you know that voice to her it's like i could swear she was like singing and chanting like you know the the vocal bull thing she was there the only places we hung out were at mutual friends houses and at her house you know what i mean we went to alamosa once uh sister friends we saw a movie Meaning wrecking her car. We weren't like super close, you know, but um, so like I wouldn't know like her specific spots would be, you know what I mean? There was people that were concerned about her for sure.

You know, she did go over to Catfish, she was like, well, you know, we talked about that for like, for whatever, it was four or five days and then Nate had to pick her up like three in the morning or whatever. And then she did go to Catfish just after that. How did he know that Crystal went there? I talked to Catfish. When this shit happened, dude, I went over there. I was just over there a few days ago, you know, talking to him.

And, you know, I don't know. He seems, he's a pretty transparent guy. He's a canter, you know. He's not super good at hiding his emotions. And I didn't, like, he didn't really, he didn't seem nervous or lying or, you know he he's not super good at hiding his emotions and i didn't like he didn't really he didn't seem nervous or lying or you know i mean if he wasn't like he's really uh supposed to work for that he must be a true sociopath but i really didn't get the i really didn't get the vibe that like that's what it was but obviously something happened that you know yeah you know i i brought her here for the first time like two and a half years ago when we were living in Gunnison.

And I know all her friends, you know what I mean? Like she was with some pretty righteous people. I could pretty safely say that out of that whole group of friends, she was probably partying the hardest time. It seemed like to me. The same anonymous source received a message from Catfish. I was shared the messages and was able to validate their authenticity. The anonymous source

says this. Have you heard any rumors? What do you think happened to her? Catfish says, I heard so many rumors, it is interfering. Brian, That's all I can say at the moment, other than I will do anything to help.

The source says, Oh wow. Why do you say Brian? Catfish says, He told me he did it. I told the CBI and he showed his confession on Messenger. Up and Vanished is an investigative podcast told weekly, produced for Tenderfoot TV by Payne Lindsay, Mike Rooney, and me, Meredith Stedman, with new episodes every Monday. Executive producers Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright.

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