Up and Vanished - Status: Untraced - E9: Father Is One

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

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It started with a backpack at the 1996 Centennial Olympic Games. A backpack that contained a bomb. While the authorities focused on the wrong suspect, a serial bomber planned his next attacks. Two abortion clinics and a lesbian bar. But this isn't his story. It's a human story. One that I've become entangled with. I saw as soon as I turned the corner, basically someone bleeding out. The victims of these brutal attacks were left to pick up the pieces,

forced to explore the gray areas between right and wrong, life and death. Their once ordinary lives, and mine, changed forever. It kind of gave me a feeling of pending doom. And all the while, our country found itself facing down a long and ugly reckoning with a growing threat. Far right, homegrown, religious terrorism. Listen to Flashpoint starting July 25th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Up in Vanis presents Status Untrraced episode nine starts now. You're listening to status untraced, a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with Odyssey.

The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating in the podcast. This podcast also contains subject matter, which may not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. We used to do together. What happened to him, we don't know. Dhruv Agarwal was last seen heading to Kyrgyzstan on November 9, 2021, 11 days before our arrival in India. Originally, his family wasn't interested in speaking with us, but his older brother Abhishek had a change of mind.

Did he tell you what his reason was for going up to do the trek? in speaking with us. But his older brother Abhishek had a change of mind. Did he tell you what his reason was for going up to do the trek? There is no reason. Just travel to Keringa for two days. Feeling a lack of response, Abhishek and his uncles launched their own investigation in the Parvati. The police and rescue teams, they are keeping an eye on us. Many things happened with us which was very strange.

There is something fishy on the track of Kheeranga or in the Parvati Valley. Something people are afraid of. What do you think that is? I am definitely sure. My brother was kidnapped and murdered. But I can't prove it. There's more Abhishek wishes he could say, but he's wary. Tourism is the lifeblood of the Parvati,

and speaking ill of it could put a target on his back. There is, however, one person for whom he openly expresses distaste. Khor Khan. Abhishek's family hired the search and rescuer to look for Dhruv, and have since dropped all ties to the man. He's the right hand of the drug mafia. He knows everything, every area, every gap, everywhere in the Parvati valley. But frankly saying, not a good person. I'm Liam Luxen. Only once I saw the killer, once I saw the killer of course

I'm Liam Luxen and this is Status Untraced Episode 9 Father is One So if everybody quiet, to start your term. Everybody please. Decked out in military boots and a full camo jumpsuit, Korkaan commands an imposing presence. He controls the room. The one filled with six other guys, I wasn't expecting to be here.

Sorry for that, that I'm saying to everybody be silent, because sir have to come from America to here. We don't know each other, but they came here, and they want to know about Justin. A lot has been said about the man before me. I'm here to find out if the murderous accusations against him hold any validity. But first, I just want to know some basics.

Who is Korkaan, really? How did you get into search and rescue. When I was 13 years old, our family condition was not so good, so we went to Malana, so we went to there and to the floodgates. Born to a low-class family in the Parvati Valley, Korkaan explains that he began working as a porter in Malana, the ancient village known for producing the world's best tashish, and to be associated with mafias. Through various gigs,

he eventually launched his business in the late 90s, which, as he boastfully claims, was the first search and rescue service of its kind. More than 600 boys I have trained, and everywhere I make one call, they come. And mostly, this is actually teamwork. So we are the first, we can say the father is one. Understand?

Sure, yeah. Father is one. If they stay with father good, if they go and put their hand there from father, so it's up to them. Korkaan essentially just claimed there's a search and rescue hierarchy, and he's at the top. Father is one. It's an odd thing to say, and leaves me wondering if it's his pride talking, or a glimpse into something more threatening. What's really in this man's control?

In trying to get to the bottom of it, I dig into his process. How many cases have you done that you remember? Over a hundred. Over a hundred? And how many of those cases have you been able to find people alive? Almost, mostly alive. But if we don't find them for two or three days, it's very difficult to find our Kher Ganga.

When you go to Kher Ganga, you will see. If somebody gets missing, we can search for one, two, three days maximum, I think. But still the family, they force us to look more, look more, so we can look one week, but more than one week. Even families say, but we cannot do, because they know that we don't find. I'll repeat his words because it's alarming.

We can search for one to three days maximum, I think. Still the family, they force us to know, look more, look more, so we can look one week, but more than one week, even families stay, but we cannot do, because we know that we don't find." How many families, clinging to hope, have been met with this bleak pragmatism? I ask if this has been his approach with the Roop Agarwal, the most recent case for which he offered his services. And still, because of family, because I don't want to hurt the family and family members

are requesting me, please, you are the person, you are our God, you are this and that. This is not, I am saying this. But if they are not giving me right information, how can I find him? Korkaan claims he initiated search efforts, but that his work went unpaid. If they really love their brother Dhruva Garbal, why they don't pay the money? initiated search efforts, but that his work went unpaid. I asked Abhishek if that was true. He did not give any bill. Whatever he took from us, he took in cash. So we gave him what he demand. I bring this up to Korkhan, and he corrects himself,

saying he did receive 500 rupees, which is around six US dollars. So what do you think happened to him? As far as specifics go, what do you think happened to Durup? Was he robbed? For that I tell you, look, I don't know. I can't say anything, sorry. For me, he's a crazy person. Okay. ["Dark Soul"]

Labeling a missing soul as crazy is pretty cold. I don't know if Korkan's this open with his clients, but if so, it's no wonder Daru's family, juggling exhaustion and misery, accused him of trading hope for profit. They claimed he billed for searches that appeared nothing more than smoke and mirrors. And I've also heard this from another family who accused him of the same stunt, Bruno Muschelik's.

So this is what Peter told me. He told me that he thought that you were going around places and just sending him photos and you weren't searching. What's the response to that? If you don't mind if I say that. Yeah, please. You are first time here, yeah?

Yeah. If you come here, you must know where to go, where to stay, to whom you trust and whom you're talking. If someone is calling you this and that, if you know personally, you can say something. Sure. You don't know it personally.

Yeah. But it's my life. My life, I make my rules. I don't fucking care about the people. They think he's a good person, no good person, that's why. It's my life. I'm enjoying my life. That's the most important, no?

It's not their problem, because they are just jealous. And the shortcut thing I told you, father is one. I guess I hear what you're saying, but from what I'm hearing from Bheethar, he thinks that you are just charging him but not doing anything. I'd like to understand why some people think that. Mission is with me. I'd like to understand why some people think that.

So essentially your response to, you weren't doing anything, was that you were, but then they contacted other people and you weren't able to complete your job. But then they contacted other people and you weren't able to complete your job. No, no. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if I just gave Korkan an out. But honestly, I don't think it matters. It's still suspiciously convenient for him to claim incapacity to fulfill his contracts, when all he's dedicating is a mere three days of effort at best.

And if that's his modus operandi, it doesn't sound like he's fully transparent about it. I mentioned this three-day bit to Piotr Musalik and his friend Tomas, and asked when they hired Korkan if it was ever explained to them. Did he give you any sort of expectations? And specifically, did he say he was only going to look for three days when you first hired him? No, definitely no. Korkhan could be telling me the truth. Or this could all be a politician's act.

So as he responds, I'm trying to read between the lines. I'm assessing what makes him boastful, what irritates him, and what his reactions reveal. I'm trying to gather as much of a baseline of who Korkhan is, because I need some idea of how he'll react when I ask if his team is murdering people. $10 small premium roast coffee every single day. Must be McCafe. Plus tax at participating restaurants in Canada. Prices exclude delivery. Wherever you're going, you better believe American Express will be right there with you. Heading for adventure? We'll help you breeze through security.

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Visit amex.ca slash yamex. Benefits vary by card. Terms apply. Because if the police and the's becoming harder to understand him. Okay? Justin's story, you want to know, you want some, you want to know, you want to know. You want to know. You want to know. You want to know.

You want to know. You want to know. You want to know. You want to know. You want to know. You want to know. You want to know. You want to know. It's not his first, and it's becoming harder to understand him. I'm torn between ending the conversation or pressing on. The man before me, confidently wearing his mafioso-like personality, still has much to answer for. But questioning him in the state doesn't feel right. If I'm going to talk to someone, I'm going to talk friendly and...

friendly and friendly. Reluctantly, I choose to step away. And later, when he's sober, I call him, launching straight into the questions that demand answers. First and foremost, do you have technical training in mountain rescue? Yes, sir. I do tracking and I tend to die for the mountains.

Has there been a time when somebody else performed the physical rescue and you took credit for it? I cannot say this. Okay, you've never done that. But may I tell you that, okay, if myself is there on the mission, I'm not saying that, okay, I'm every mission I'm there. So I don't take any credit. If somebody say I take the credits, not like that, they will be jealous or whatever.

I don't know. They want to say that I take the credit. When I take the credit, you know, this is one teamwork. I told you, sir, always, father is always in the problem because if they have more children, he's in the problem. So I'm the main father. Father is one, that's why this trouble is coming. Giving Korkhan the benefit of the doubt,

I pose if these rumors could stem from his old prodigies, people who'd benefit to smear him. No, sir, no, sir. Nobody is doing my business. I'm not saying that, but this rescue is honest working and we need to trust and believe each other. Out of all these people that you've trained, all of these students, have you ever had an issue with a student?

No, some of these boys, they work just one or two days with me, so I don't even give them certificates. What happened on those times? They just didn't follow your rules or what was it? I tell you, I have not taken even one rupee from the administration. When Korkhan is referring to the administration, that's the local government body who sometimes assigns cases to rescue teams. I'm not taking money from administration.

And these boys, how much money they have taken from administration and how much money they have to... Sorry, who are these boys that you're talking about? I think I don't know whoever, but I'm seeing on the Facebook sometimes some boys blaming that administration now giving bill, we are not getting money and this and that. Why they blaming to the administration? If they see their good work, they will give them everything.

Why they go behind me? They go ahead, tell them, don't go back, go ahead. Go in your work, focus on your work. Don't focus on. Well, less about them because to be honest, I feel like you've answered that now. More questions directed more directly to you and your team. Has there ever been an instance when you found a body and you haven't reported it?

No, no possible. Because always police is with me. Always army is with me, sir. I'm saying to you, I'm not alone. You tell them not not working alone, why you blame me? Blame to the administration, blame to the high officer. Why to blame to me?

With every question I ask, it just sounds like Korkaan is flailing. Truly, I appreciate that he's talking with me and that it actually sounds like he's being open. But I'm a little confused by his words. Because I would understand if it's his intent to actually help people. I would understand if he's made mistakes and takes accountability for them. And I would get it if he feels like he's been wronged

and painted as a villain for his failures. But when I explain to Korkhan that people are saying he's a con man, that he doesn't actually conduct professional searches, and that some people have gone as far as saying his team hides bodies, dragging out searches for a bigger pay, what does he do? He points blame at the innocent. These are the family.

They probably are not satisfied in their self, and they are fighting in between themselves. Sir, I'm not a god. at the innocent. I don't understand this families. They are crazy people. I tell you, you better to discuss about this kind of thing with the SB station. Korkhan's stance that these accusations stem from disgruntled families, there is some truth to that. But the way he chooses to address it feels heartless. This is search and rescue. Your clients are families of missing persons. It's obvious that in order to do this job responsibly, it requires patience and compassion.

And I think he knows that. But when I ask him to further explain his brazen statements, he gets annoyed. to me, their relatives, whoever not calling from their uncle is calling me, requesting me and crying on the phone. What can I do? All right, listen, I have one last rumor that I need to ask you about. No problem. So someone told me that they believe that you or people on your team are making tourists disappear to create more business. What do you have to say about that? I don't know if it's possible.

Just send me the name of these guys, whoever they are. So I can tell them to call to me and they will record the calling and send to you what is the problem, what they want from me. I tell you if someone asked for help, I'm the person. I'm not looking for dead body and this is not my job, to look for the dead body. My work is save lives. Sir, I don't care others. I know myself.

That's enough. Korkhan ends the conversation that day, but will continue to have talks. You're saying you can look for one to three days maximum, specifically going back to Daruv then. He went missing like on the 9th and the family approached you on the 12th. You know, that's a three-day difference already. Did you tell them that because of your experience that you no longer felt he was alive I Can't say anything

For that most important thing they go alone Which is not good anything can happen alone person Yeah Have you have you ever told like a family that you believe it's impossible to find someone? It is difficult to find, but still the family, they want that I do something. If I give up or in the beginning I say, no, I cannot do this, then their energy goes down.

If I say no, it's not easy because it's the tracks and after that... I do actually think he means well. He's proud of his career. And what I come to believe is that he's not a murderer. He's a poor communicator. The thing I'm kind of coming back to is that initial thing that you told me. So you do look longer than three days sometimes?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir, I do. But you don't really think that you're probably gonna find anything after three days. It's difficult, but possible to find any belongings or something. But after that, the families also, they are not satisfied. They're saying, no, they are here. They are alive.

Yeah. So it's very difficult. I don't have evidence that he's guilty of fraud. But his whole ideology of father is one, and to imply that other teams' successes are also his success, I think it's just a sign of narcissism. So essentially, you kind of see yourself as like a father figure, like the leader. Of course, that's what I'm saying.

If I trust someone, someone trusts me, then we can work together. What I am certain of, based on his own words, is that he's a man of self-interest. Business first, people second. When I asked you about the rumors about you, you thought it could be the families that were saying these malicious things, and then you said that you thought that they were crazy.

Just wanted to be clear, do you think that they're crazy? No, I'm not saying they were crazy. Just wanted to be clear, do you think that. So I follow them. But I cannot say to them it's difficult to find now. They can easily understand that. If we don't find one day, two days, three days, one week, two weeks, what we look for? I get it. This job is tough. Especially in a remote valley in the middle of the Himalayas. He has a valid point there. But still, it doesn't minimize the sorrow felt by Bruno's and Dhruv's family. They deserve answers.

Well, thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you, sir. And when you're coming next time, India, come. Most welcome. Given what we've learned, I think Justin Alexander's search party made the right choice in refusing CorConn's services. He's not our culprit. He's not a lead. He's just a guy in the rescue business, who sounds like he's checked out. But clearing this thread puts us back on Justin's case with little progress.

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He motions for us to sit on log benches around a crackling fire. After this case, I very disturbed sometime. Hemraj Rajput speaks softly. His eyes lost in the flames. Not long ago, he accepted my Facebook friend request and agreed to meet. While he says Justin's case haunts him, he's open to answering some questions.

During our investigation, we heard a tale suggesting that, in addition to the baba and the porter, Justin came down the mountain with a couple, a guy and girl. We were told the guy was Nirmal Patel, except Nirmal Patel has maintained a different story, insisting he crossed paths with Justin on the mountain. So which is true? There's evidence that Nirmal did hike with a group to Montelide that year. So was this the group who passed Justin?

The other hikers in the photo are the only ones who would know. And Hemraj is one of them. They were on the way to Spiti in September. Sometime in September? Yeah. And who all was with him? Five people from Poland?

How long were you guys in Kurganga before the hike? — One night. Arshdeep continues to speak with Hemraj in Hindi, and asks if he ever met Justin. Our first confirmation, this hiking group did cross paths with Justin. How long was the interaction? How long did you talk to Justin? We sat for at least 20-30 minutes. 20-30 minutes, that he says. Okay.

They never met Justin before they left? Never. Never. But Justin didn't go with him further towards Spiti? Yeah, he left on his own. Before they departed, Hemraj says they took the photos with Justin. The only thing that's related with me and Justin is just the picture that we had when we sat there for a few minutes. Nirmal knew Justin before. I said, where exactly?

He said, I have no idea about that because we never asked him how you know him and how you met him before. Nirmal went with you? Sorry? Nirmal went with you? Nirmal went with you, right? Yes. Our second confirmation.

Nirmal Patel was telling the truth. Did Nirmal ever separate from the group just to go take photos for a little while or anything that day? That day Nirmal was not there. One night, he was separated from the group to take photos. He was separated from the group. It's not feasible to stop for these two guys and then the whole group is waiting. So they have to be in the group all the time. All the time.

Was there anybody else that you passed along the trek around that time that you thought was weird? Any couples? Any couple? No. Only Justin. I believe Hemraj. Beyond his willingness to talk, he was the hired guide for this trip.

So these weren't his friends who he'd have a motive to protect. But his insight also solidifies a gap in the case. The couple remains a mystery, and disproving the Nirmal claim, raises questions about the entire story's credibility. Does this couple exist at all? All we've been told is that it's a guy and a girl

who were in Kyrgyzstan for a month, interacted with Justin, and were never seen again. Our search now points us to the path unexplored. The trail to Kyrgyzstan and Montelai Lake. And just as we set our sights on it, news leaks from the local police station. A couple on the track to Kyrgyzstan, four unknown guys, they tried to rob them. They took 7,000 rupees for them. They hold a knife.

Police have just learned of a Knifepoint robbery that took place earlier this month. The victims did not immediately report the incident, but it's said to have occurred mere days before Dhruv Agarwal disappeared. There's a rumor that this couple was robbed for 6,000 rupees at Knife Point. Yeah, by four guys. By four guys on the way to Kyrgyzstan. Yeah.

If we're doing this Kyrgyzstan trek, Yeah. would it be beneficial to have Alex and me walk slightly ahead of you guys, see if we can catch these guys. I think we should bait them. What do you think? Yeah, I don't want to get stabbed.

Yeah, I don't want to get stabbed either, but I think we have to do this. Being among the few Americans here, we already draw attention. So to appear like lone hikers and bait some thieves, it's not that it would be easy. It would be stupidly dangerous. Were there any reports of what these four guys looked like? Not unless they don't make a fire. It won't be clear.

Got it. I feel like we have to do this. I don't feel like we have to do it at all. The roof is also missing. So we have it. And I'm saying that, like. Yeah. The same thing might have happened with the roof.

So you're putting yourself in a position to just get stabbed and thrown off a cliff. It's not a smart move. We just have to stall them. Do I go, what do you want? I don't think there is any stalling. There's one chance of us getting killed, two guys. Let's, I mean, let's figure out a way for this to be safe,

but I think that that's what we should do. I think we should bait him. Back at the hotel, I continue to push the idea. You really want to do this solo, do you think? I think we should try to see if somebody comes out. I really do. I guess that's why we're here. I was thinking, worst case scenario,

I'll just slide down the cliff. I can manage to hang on somewhere. But I'm going to take that over getting stabbed. I bet you just sped anything over getting stabbed. I think we do it though. Alright. Ready to go. Let's do it.

Before the crack of dawn, we cram into a rusty jeep, geared up for a three-day expedition into the unknown. Weaving through the mountain roads, we soon park atop a concrete dam, the trailhead to Kyrgyzstan. This Indian guy who just got lost, that's his CCTV camera from there. Right there on that, yeah. And so, we begin the hike. For the most part, the trail is well-paved, a dirt path that snakes through lush pines and ferns,

with the Parvati River flowing alongside it, full of power and fury. Even though each step brings us higher into the mountain range, there's many makeshift cafes along the route selling snacks, chai tea, and walking staffs. As planned, I pick up my pace and walk ahead of the group on the lookout for danger. The trail is heavily trafficked by shepherds, shop owners, and Indian tourists. And at one point, I'm stopped by some hikers who ask to take a photo. Can we take a selfie?

What was that? Yeah, take a selfie. Let's do it. Thank you for that. Absolutely. Talking to myself, the thought is not far from my mind that not everyone has been met with the same friendliness. But noticing though, a lot of this trail, somebody could easily be hiding up here and jump out and ambush you.

Unscaved, I soon reach the base of a rocky staircase. When the team catches up, we all trudge to the top, emerging from the forest into an enormous open pasture. Welcome to Caganga. See the steam rising up there. How you feeling Alex? Last little bit wore me out. Yeah.

Kyrgyzstan is like a war camp out of a medieval movie. Smoke rises from hundreds of military style tents. Horses graze along tiny streams, and the giant snow peaks cast shadows over it all. Exploring the grounds, we discover the hot springs at the bed of the mountain. I ditch my shoes on icy rock, and dip in for a much needed soak.

It's then that a white bearded man slips silently into the water. You've been here eight years, is that what you said? I've been here a long time, Steven, and I've been speaking. That's crazy. Kabir and I attempt to strike a conversation with him. How you doing? Where are you from? I feel like everybody else is, I'm assuming, is from India here.

He is also in India now. You're in India now? Yeah. Where'd you move from? Russia. Russia? He closes his eyes, saying no more. So we leave him in peace.

As the sun dips behind the rugged peaks, I feel it. A magnetic pull, whispering to stay. It was only five years ago that Justin was here in Kyrgyzstan, soaking in these very same waters, reflecting on a desire to heal, and fantasizing about a life of freedom. He set out from his camp to head to the mountain's peak, Montellay Lake, and rode to the world that he would return. When I started being like, I think my friend is dead, other people were still saying, I think he's alive.

That's Justin. Like, he doesn't, he never dies. I feel like he overestimated his capacity sometimes. India's very powerful, and Justin was going through it. I gotta tell you, he was a showman, and this disappearing also didn't surprise me. No, there's not a chance. He's dead. He's not alive.

He was making it seem like that was gonna be his last trip. But he wouldn't have done this to his mother. It was a team effort. It was both of them. It was a team thing. But haven't you ever had that thought of just, what if I could just dart over? What if you actually did it? He said, yeah, you probably won't see me for like five years.

Everyone asked what happened, and I'd been struggling to make sense of it all. Until suddenly, it's clear. If you have tips or information on the individuals in this podcast that you'd like to share, please email us at statusuntraced at gmail.com or leave us a message at 507-407-2833. Status Untraced is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with Odyssey. I'm your host, Liam Luxton. Executive producers are Alex Vespestead, Donald Albright, and Payne Lindsay. Producers are Meredith Stedman and myself. Supervising producer is Tracy Kaplan.

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